an exercise in hypotheticals:

if "the breakfast club" had been made in the 1940s, set and shot in italy, in black and white, using inexperienced actors, then it would be a classic.

if brad pitt were a french actor in the 1960s, then he would be respectable legend.

if "sleepless in seattle" was made thirty years ago, then it would be considered one of the best romantic comedies.

if mcg directed "brazil," then it would be seen as trash.

>if "the breakfast club" had been made in the 1940s, set and
>shot in italy, in black and white, using inexperienced
>actors, then it would be a classic.

it already is a classic

>if brad pitt were a french actor in the 1960s, then he would
>be respectable legend.

depends on if the resonance of his performance endured beyond the 60s and 70s. there's lots of comparable French actors from that time who aren't legends

>if "sleepless in seattle" was made thirty years ago, then it
>would be considered one of the best romantic comedies.

probably.

>if mcg directed "brazil," then it would be seen as trash.

because it probably WOULD have been.

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i regard it as a classic. maybe i should have said King_Friday (and the like) would regard it as such.

no matter when or where it was made

unless maybe it had some kinda socialist subtext

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With the janitors union or something.

Or perhaps the kids could have singled out Ally Sheedy's character for her anti capitalist views.

>no matter when or where it was made
>
>unless maybe it had some kinda socialist subtext

It's true though.

*redistributes your wealth*

>*redistributes your wealth*


i LOLed at this

>an exercise in hypotheticals:
>
>if "the breakfast club" had been made in the 1940s, set and
>shot in italy, in black and white, using inexperienced
>actors, then it would be a classic.

NO.

>if brad pitt were a french actor in the 1960s, then he would
>be respectable legend.

NO.

>if "sleepless in seattle" was made thirty years ago, then it
>would be considered one of the best romantic comedies.

Only if it had Cary Grant and Katherine Hepburn instead of Hanks and Ryan, and was more over the top and less cute. But then, thirty years ago it would have been both.

>if mcg directed "brazil," then it would be seen as trash.

McG directing anything is trash.

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>if "the breakfast club" had been made in the 1940s, set and
>shot in italy, in black and white, using inexperienced
>actors, then it would be a classic.
>

like Afkap said, it's a classic in most circles. Even for "Les Cahiers du Cinema" folks.

>if brad pitt were a french actor in the 1960s, then he would
>be respectable legend.
>

Well...it's too early to say if he'll become a legend, but I think he's already a respected actor.

>if "sleepless in seattle" was made thirty years ago, then it
>would be considered one of the best romantic comedies.
>

As hinted above...it would be a completely different film.

>if mcg directed "brazil," then it would be seen as trash.

(this is where I differ from the other party poopers) It *is* trash as it is. So I guess I agree with you on this one.

>>if mcg directed "brazil," then it would be seen as trash.
>
>(this is where I differ from the other party poopers) It
>*is* trash as it is.

the sad thing is that i completely understand why a lot of people feel this way.

it's still one of my favorite films of all time, though

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could someone explain to me, perhaps in a different post, why Brazil is trash? Are we talking about Gilliam's version, or that slap-happy ending? Or just the whole thing?

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I just can't get into that over-the-top, baroque imagery Gilliam is so fond of. It's too....teutonic for me, I guess. I hate Wagner, too.

That's just an opinion, though.

i've always seen it more as misguided Fellini worship

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Fellini is very cheesy to me too.

And you might be right, but I think Gillian is definitely influenced by Teutonic mythology too

with all those grand baroque structures

i admire Gilliam a great deal, but the only film of his i really love is Brazil. and that's mostly because of the script contributions of Tom Stoppard, i guess. and Gilliam threw out most of Stoppard's story anyway

that's the thing... Gilliam has a nice eye for visuals, but doesn't seem as interested in storytelling

(no, i did not like 12 Monkeys one bit, either)

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>an exercise in hypotheticals:
>
>if "the breakfast club" had been made in the 1940s, set and
>shot in italy, in black and white, using inexperienced
>actors, then it would be a classic.

It is a classic. Don't get this one.

>if brad pitt were a french actor in the 1960s, then he would
>be respectable legend.

He'd be Jean-Paul Belmondo.

>
>if "sleepless in seattle" was made thirty years ago, then it
>would be considered one of the best romantic comedies.

Thirty years from now? Or thirty years from when it was made? Romantic comedies in the 70s were pretty lame. But it the 60s would have been as light and delicious as a souffle.

>if mcg directed "brazil," then it would be seen as trash.

Come on, man. You should have said Spike Jonze or something. Then we'd have something to debate.

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>>if brad pitt were a french actor in the 1960s, then he would
>>be respectable legend.
>
>He'd be Jean-Paul Belmondo.

i disagree here. while Brad Pitt's whole persona is built around his godlike beauty, Belmondo was celebrated for his ugliness. in Italy, he was even nicknamed "El Bruto." his "guele" made him a kind of anti-movie hunk that Brad could never be with his looks.

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>in Italy, he was even nicknamed "El Bruto."

that's Italian, so it should be "Il Bruto," right?

well... you get the general idea. dude was ugly.

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Though I'm sure he doesn't wish he were ugly, Pitt has gone great lengths to play against pretty boy type.

If he was in the midst of the new wave, he woulda made a great Lazlo Kovacs. Compare his role in 12 Monkeys, Fight Club or Seven with Breathless, Pierrot le Fou or Le Voleur. Better yet, compare his role in Ocean's Eleven with That Man From Rio.

I'm certainly not saying those movies of Pitt's are as good as the movies Belmondo was in. But that's not a fair comparison. As good as Fincher or Soderbergh may be, they're making popcorn movies. (Hell, imagine if Soderbergh was in 60s France.)

But if Pitt was in 60s France, those are the kinds of movies he would have tried to do. He would not have wanted to be a part of the mainstrean cinema and definitely would have embraced (and embraced by) the New Wave.

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hes certainly not obsessed with being mainstream.

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(feel free to add your own)

if "home alone" was a 1960's english film starring peter sellers in some capacity, then it would be an admired classic.

if "mulholland drive" had been directed by a first-time director (somehow acquiring the budget/go-ahead), then there would be collective disgust for the film.

if walter matthau had been a primarily dramatic actor, then he'd be considered "up there" with the greats.

if "reservoir dogs" was a chinese film, then-oh wait.

if "pulp fiction" was done by an all black cast and production team (somehow acquiring the budget/go-ahead), then it would be an ignored b-movie.

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no one has beefs with these posts? lol

i'll try again . . .

if fox had produced and distributed "shrek," then the amount of critical praise thrown its way would be greatly reduced.

if "matrix: reloaded" was the first in the series, then it would have been treated in much the same revered manner as "the matrix."

if "bedknobs and broomsticks" was made before "mary poppins," then it would be the universal classic.

>if fox had produced and distributed "shrek," then the amount
>of critical praise thrown its way would be greatly reduced.

maybe, probably less so pre-fox news iraq coverage, thats soiled their respectability for sure. And Dreamworks is seen as a prestigious studio due to the "S" in SKG.

>if "matrix: reloaded" was the first in the series, then it
>would have been treated in much the same revered manner as
>"the matrix."

Nope. The Matrix is good, Reloaded simply isn't.

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>if "mulholland drive" had been directed by a first-time
>director (somehow acquiring the budget/go-ahead), then there
>would be collective disgust for the film.

lots of people love Donnie Darko.

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>if "the breakfast club" had been made in the 1940s, set and
>shot in italy, in black and white, using inexperienced
>actors, then it would be a classic.

no, it still would've been a sentimental and melodramatic movie about high school detention, only it would've been broken up into a serial format and shown every week as the B feature in a double feature billing with the Little Rascals.

>
>if brad pitt were a french actor in the 1960s, then he would
>be respectable legend.

Brad Pitt's credits include Oceans 11, Spy Game, The Mexican, Fight Club, Meet Joe Black, Seven Years In Tibet, Seven, etc.

What's so respectable about those performances? His talents are not so great.

He has nothing on Alain Delon. So get him out of that time machine.

>
>if "sleepless in seattle" was made thirty years ago, then it
>would be considered one of the best romantic comedies.

It was made 64 years ago. It was called Love Affair. It was directed by Leo McCarey and starred Irene Dunne and Charles Boyer and it probably *was* one of the best romantic comedies ever made.

and somehow cited friedrich engels, then you would have just had to look to the tatoo on your chest to transcribe what you wrote.

if john hughes was a communist, the you'd have his poster on your wall and an anthony michael hall feather pillow nearby.

if bibi andersson starred in legally blonde in some fashion, then you'd have a new avatar.

lol

>Brad Pitt's credits include Oceans 11, Spy Game, The
>Mexican, Fight Club, Meet Joe Black, Seven Years In Tibet,
>Seven, etc.

He's good in Snatch, Legends of the Fall, Se7en (haven't seen 12 Monkeys). I'm not saying he'd ever reach legendary status or anything but I think he's solid actor and better than many people give him credit for.

Pitt is incredible as a trailer trash psycopathic murderer.

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and he was shitty already when he was young

not that I'm a Brad Pitt fan, but there is no way he's as bad as Delon

>and he was shitty already when he was young
>
>not that I'm a Brad Pitt fan, but there is no way he's as
>bad as Delon

I think Delon is a talented actor. Certainly better than Brad Pitt. I can't even think of a single Brad Pitt film I've liked.

which was certainly effective, but i don't think he did too much acting.

he was kinda like Charles Bronson

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Every time he's got to talk, he sounds like he is in a Robert Bresson movie. Straight amateurish.

So, he's okay in something like Jean-Pierre Melville's "Le Samourai", since the dialogue is so sparse. But that's about it.

delon, bronson, and mifune star in it. Shanghai Noon is based on it. Its not great but the three of them make it worthwhile.

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but i sold it on Half.com without even watching it

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he's so bad Visconti used to clown him something terrible on the shootings of "Rocco..." or "Il Gattopardo". Let's be clear on this: the only thing that he was hired for is his looks. And that cute (fruity) brooding face he liked to do.

Like I said below he's the phoniest sounding actor ever.

>I can't even think of a single Brad Pitt film I've liked.

Well...did you ever think that might have to do with who directed those movies w/Delon? Because if this discussion turns into a Fincher vs Visconti or Fincher vs Melville debate...you will get no argument from me.

And I suspect you haven't seen most of the doodoo Delon has been in in his later years either (plus, if everything has to be socialist for you, which is fine by me...you should *hate* the fucker).

tres corny

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>he's so bad Visconti used to clown him something terrible on
>the shootings of "Rocco..." or "Il Gattopardo".

That's okay. John Ford used to make fun of John Wayne too, but I like John Wayne.

>Like I said below he's the phoniest sounding actor ever.
>

And like I said before, I disagree.

>>I can't even think of a single Brad Pitt film I've liked.
>
>Well...did you ever think that might have to do with who
>directed those movies w/Delon? Because if this discussion
>turns into a Fincher vs Visconti or Fincher vs Melville
>debate...you will get no argument from me.

There's no doubt Delon was lucky to have a director like Visconti at the helm, but it should also be said that great actors like Greta Garbo, Marlene Dietrich or Dirk Bogarde for example have managed to do some very moving and powerful work in films that weren't always very good.

Brad Pitt has never been better than his bad movies in the way someone like even Denzel Washington has. Washington has done good work in bad movies. Pitt has done bad work in worse movies.

>
>And I suspect you haven't seen most of the doodoo Delon has
>been in in his later years either

No, I haven't seen his later work.

>plus, if everything has
>to be socialist for you, which is fine by me...you should
>*hate* the fucker).

Everything does not have to be socialist for me.

>>Like I said below he's the phoniest sounding actor ever.
>>
>And like I said before, I disagree.
>

You might have a different opinion if you were a native French speaker, though.

>There's no doubt Delon was lucky to have a director like
>Visconti at the helm, but it should also be said that great
>actors like Greta Garbo, Marlene Dietrich or Dirk Bogarde
>for example have managed to do some very moving and powerful
>work in films that weren't always very good.
>

But that's definitely not the case for Delon. When he was in shitty movies, he made them shittier. And he managed to stick out like a sore thumb in a masterpiece like "Il Gattopardo".

>Brad Pitt has never been better than his bad movies in the
>way someone like even Denzel Washington has. Washington has
>done good work in bad movies. Pitt has done bad work in
>worse movies.

Well...I disagree here. For instance, I thought "Fight Club" was a bad, bad movie, but he was okay in it. He was the only reason I watched it til the end. And he was good in "Ocean Eleven".

>Everything does not have to be socialist for me.

It was just a reference to the joke Afkap made above...since you like John Wayne, I now see that he lied.

>You might have a different opinion if you were a native
>French speaker, though.

As a matter of fact I am. Okay, no I'm lying. But man that would make my argument unbeatable!

>But that's definitely not the case for Delon. When he was in
>shitty movies, he made them shittier. And he managed to
>stick out like a sore thumb in a masterpiece like "Il
>Gattopardo".

Look, I said I liked Delon and I think he's talented, but I never said he was Jimmy Stewart/Marlon Brando talented.

I'm beginning to think maybe Alain Delon owes you money or something. lol.

>Well...I disagree here. For instance, I thought "Fight Club"
>was a bad, bad movie, but he was okay in it. He was the only
>reason I watched it til the end. And he was good in "Ocean
>Eleven".

I thought Fight Club was bad too, but even there Pitt's performance just didn't do anything for me.

>
>>Everything does not have to be socialist for me.
>
>It was just a reference to the joke Afkap made above...since
>you like John Wayne, I now see that he lied.

lol. Yeah, me and John Wayne part company when it comes to politics. I still like his movies though. Most of them anyway.

>But man that would make my argument unbeatable!

I don't know if this was ironic, but if it is...I do think it makes a difference. You're not necessarily able to sense the phoniness if you're not a native speaker, or at least fluent in a language. Like...I gave that Bresson example above because it makes perfect sense to me, but then I thought, maybe you can't realize how not natural the trademark Bresson actors' diction is if you're not French.

>I'm beginning to think maybe Alain Delon owes you money or
>something. lol.
>

honestly...I don't know too many French folks who really like Alain Delon. The man is a bonified asshole. He's like, the Charlton Heston of this French shit.

if "zero effect" was directed by the coen brothers, then more people would have seen it and praised it.

if "the shining" did not have stephen king's or stanley kubrick's name attached, then everyone would agree it's garbage.

if "scarface" had not been adopted by rappers as some sort of mascot, then it would have faded into oblivion and disinterested future generations of audiences.

if nia long acted less black, then-nevermind.

if "rebel without a cause" did not star james dean, then this would be a forgotten piece of nostalgia.

>if "the shining" did not have stephen king's or stanley
>kubrick's name attached, then everyone would agree it's
>garbage.
>
I heartily agree with this.

>if "scarface" had not been adopted by rappers as some sort
>of mascot, then it would have faded into oblivion and
>disinterested future generations of audiences.
>
I'm not sure about that. It definitely wouldn't be as celebrated, but it wouldn't have faded away completely.

>
>>if "the shining" did not have stephen king's or stanley
>>kubrick's name attached, then everyone would agree it's
>>garbage.
>>
>I heartily agree with this.

i cosign here

>>if "scarface" had not been adopted by rappers as some sort
>>of mascot, then it would have faded into oblivion and
>>disinterested future generations of audiences.
>>
>I'm not sure about that. It definitely wouldn't be as
>celebrated, but it wouldn't have faded away completely.

i think it would have disappeared, occasionally being resusciated by film buffs to embarrass Al Pacino with his scenery-chewing performance

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>if "zero effect" was directed by the coen brothers, then
>more people would have seen it and praised it.

Just like how no one was interested at all in Intolerable Cruelty (including me) until they found out the Coens directed it. I'm at least slightly interested now.

>if "the shining" did not have stephen king's or stanley
>kubrick's name attached, then everyone would agree it's
>garbage.

I like the Shining. Nowhere near Kubricks best work but still...

>if "scarface" had not been adopted by rappers as some sort
>of mascot, then it would have faded into oblivion and
>disinterested future generations of audiences.

Faded into oblivion? Nah. I know plenty of people who hate hip hop and love Scarface. Hip hop definitely helped boost it's popularity but Scarface was pretty popular even before hip hop was big.

I think IF people didn't treat Scarface as a serious movie THEN people may realize just how much fun it is to watch. The sad thing is that there are so many fans of Scarface take it seriously.

>Faded into oblivion? Nah. I know plenty of people who hate
>hip hop and love Scarface. Hip hop definitely helped boost
>it's popularity but Scarface was pretty popular even before
>hip hop was big.
>
>I think IF people didn't treat Scarface as a serious movie
>THEN people may realize just how much fun it is to watch.
>The sad thing is that there are so many fans of Scarface
>take it seriously.

I have no idea how people can take it seriously. I also like as ebert pointed out that none of these rappers remember that he ended brutally killed because of his actions.

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>I have no idea how people can take it seriously.

"NO movie is fuckin with Scarface!" You know how many times I've heard this in my lifetime?

I also like
>as ebert pointed out that none of these rappers remember
>that he ended brutally killed because of his actions.

"SEE? that's what I'm talkin about! That's how I wanna go out!" This too

>>if "zero effect" was directed by the coen brothers, then
>>more people would have seen it and praised it.
>
>Just like how no one was interested at all in Intolerable
>Cruelty (including me) until they found out the Coens
>directed it. I'm at least slightly interested now.

it's taking a lot of work for me to whip up the enthusiasm to see it. i see it more of as a duty, but i'm not the least bit excited about it

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but now I'm not rolling my eyes every time I drive by the billboard. Like I said I'm slightly interested but I doubt I'll see it till it hits cable.

Give it a shot. I was pleasantly surprised. It's not great by any means but it's pretty clever. Doesnt use the trick/gimmicky ending that eveyone hates nowadays but it still has a very good ending that ties up everything perfectly. Bill Pullman is great & I'm not a fan of Ben Stiller but he's pretty good in it as well.

it has to have something going for it even if it is watered downb coen.

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the result was The Hudsucker Proxy

a film which i defend, btw... but we all know it ain't all that

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and overly stylized.

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>if "the shining" did not have stephen king's or stanley
>kubrick's name attached, then everyone would agree it's
>garbage.

Indeed they would. But some would still go on about Nicholson in it.

>if "scarface" had not been adopted by rappers as some sort
>of mascot, then it would have faded into oblivion and
>disinterested future generations of audiences.

Nope.

>if "rebel without a cause" did not star james dean, then
>this would be a forgotten piece of nostalgia.

How about, if james dean didnt get in that car crash it would have been a forgottn piece of nostalgia much like Dean himself.

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>>if "rebel without a cause" did not star james dean, then
>>this would be a forgotten piece of nostalgia.
>
>How about, if james dean didnt get in that car crash it
>would have been a forgottn piece of nostalgia much like Dean
>himself.

original version of the point (yes, i have drafts-lol) mentioned the "unnatural" and surprising and mysterious deaths of natalie wood, james dean, and sal mineo.

you must not even check out porn while your on here to have that much time.

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>if "rebel without a cause" did not star james dean, then
>this would be a forgotten piece of nostalgia.

I think that's selling Nicholas Ray a little short.

It wasn't his best film, and Dean deserves a lot of credit for making it good (even though he tends to go way too over the top in his performances), but there's more to it than just James Dean.

if steven speilberg was not involved in the production of "e.t." and "jaws," then those films would not be a part of the a.f.i. top 100 list.

if woody allen hadn't being playing around with a chinese step-child, then "husbands and wives" would be "up there" with his other classics.

if any director but oliver stone had directed "jfk", then the amount of negative press received by the film would have been much less.

if roman polanksi had not had his criminal struggles, then he would of received no academy award for "the pianist."

if "the shawshank redemption" had been made twenty years earlier, then it would not be considered a "classic."

>if steven speilberg was not involved in the production of
>"e.t." and "jaws," then those films would not be a part of
>the a.f.i. top 100 list.

Jaws would probably still be on the list due to its effect on the film industry.

>if roman polanksi had not had his criminal struggles, then
>he would of received no academy award for "the pianist."

I don't understand this logic.

>>if roman polanksi had not had his criminal struggles, then
>>he would of received no academy award for "the pianist."
>
>I don't understand this logic.

probably my most "bold" statement as of yet.

"chicago" won best picture. for the sake of this oscar competition, this puts rob marshall "above" polanksi.

scorsese should have just finally gotten his dues. not like the oscars haven't done this (AHEMpacinoAHEM.)

"talk to her" was the best film of the five directors' work.

so in my mind this puts polanksi as a backup to a backup to a backup winner.

the man gets pub just because he's this outisder, screwed by the justice system, and hollywood liberals flock to that shit.

>if steven speilberg was not involved in the production of
>"e.t." and "jaws," then those films would not be a part of
>the a.f.i. top 100 list.

ET maybe, but i think Jaws has its place.
>

>if any director but oliver stone had directed "jfk", then
>the amount of negative press received by the film would have
>been much less.

Well, duh.
>
>if roman polanksi had not had his criminal struggles, then
>he would of received no academy award for "the pianist."
>
Not sure about that. Are you saying the film wouldnt have gotten consideration, or that it wouldn't have garnered the votes?

>if "the shawshank redemption" had been made twenty years
>earlier, then it would not be considered a "classic."

Who says its a classic now?

>>if roman polanksi had not had his criminal struggles, then
>>he would of received no academy award for "the pianist."
>>
>Not sure about that. Are you saying the film wouldnt have
>gotten consideration, or that it wouldn't have garnered the
>votes?

wouldn't have gotten votes

any halfway decent war movie gets a nod in hollywood it seems

>>if "the shawshank redemption" had been made twenty years
>>earlier, then it would not be considered a "classic."
>
>Who says its a classic now?

tnt

imdb

half the people at reviews

>if steven speilberg was not involved in the production of
>"e.t." and "jaws," then those films would not be a part of
>the a.f.i. top 100 list.

probably not, but they are damn good.

>if woody allen hadn't being playing around with a chinese
>step-child, then "husbands and wives" would be "up there"
>with his other classics.

probably

>if any director but oliver stone had directed "jfk", then
>the amount of negative press received by the film would have
>been much less.

without a doubt

>if roman polanksi had not had his criminal struggles, then
>he would of received no academy award for "the pianist."

disagree

>if "the shawshank redemption" had been made twenty years
>earlier, then it would not be considered a "classic."

maybe not but it would have still have found a devoted following

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then the support for "magnolia" would be less.

then you have to quickly come up with an edit.

and if PTA hadnt made magnolia which got support from him making boogie nights, Nobody would like Punch Drunk Love.

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Bullshit, both of those statements.

PTA is one of the best, if not the very best, American director making movies right now.

Magnolia is his greatest achievement. PDL is brilliant.

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How anyone can like that self-indulgant mess is completely beyond my comprehension.
Magnolia is very good, but not spectacular.

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>How anyone can like that self-indulgant mess is completely
>beyond my comprehension.

Your boy Ebert loved it.

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>do this in the lesson

then you don't wanna be making bold statements without life insurance and/or backed up computer files.

plus, i'm less of a "novice" here.

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if "amelie" was an american movie, then the praise wouldn't be so loud.

if "reservoir dogs" was not associated with tarantino, then more shit gets thrown at it.

if "a clockwork orange" did not have anthony burgess' or stanley kubrick's name attached, then everyone would say it's not that special (not top 100 worthy at least.)

if hitchcock hadn't been the one to direct "rebecca", then it would be a forgotten film from the 40s without much acclaim (at least comparatively.)

if tom hanks does not star in "the green mile", then the film never gets made.

if denzel washington doesn't get nominated for "training day", then halle berry never wins for "monster's ball."

if "Amelie" was an american movie, it would be "Forrest Gump"

which means it would still have gotten an oscar ("Forrest Gump" got one, right?)

p.s. I fully agree on "Clockwork Orange"

>if "Amelie" was an american movie, it would be "Forrest
>Gump"

how's that? i liked "amelie", just not as much as everyone else.

>which means it would still have gotten an oscar ("Forrest
>Gump" got one, right?)

forrest gump got six academy awards, including picture, director, actor, and screenplay.

>>if "Amelie" was an american movie, it would be "Forrest
>>Gump"
>
>how's that?

- a genuine, naive, 'different' hero teaches valuable life lessons to folks who have been corrupted by the cold, cold world they live in
- lots and lots of cliché, picturesque shots of the beautiful homeland (grand ol'America or le vieux Paris, same difference)
- special effects galore, in a failed attempt to mask the vapidness of the whole thing
- the overall corniness factor (très high)

in both cases, the recipe for most overrated bullshit film of the year in their respective countries.

I'll concede that "Amélie" is not quite as wack as "Forrest Gump". Not by far, though.

>forrest gump got six academy awards, including picture,
>director, actor, and screenplay.

that's what I thought, sort of. But I don't follow the Academy Awards very closely.

>if "amelie" was an american movie, then the praise wouldn't
>be so loud.

disagree, it would have been much louder.


>if "a clockwork orange" did not have anthony burgess' or
>stanley kubrick's name attached, then everyone would say
>it's not that special (not top 100 worthy at least.)

Agree. It has a cool poster though.

>if hitchcock hadn't been the one to direct "rebecca", then
>it would be a forgotten film from the 40s without much
>acclaim (at least comparatively.)

Agree. Its SUCH a lightweight Hitchcock film.

>if tom hanks does not star in "the green mile", then the
>film never gets made.

Same goes for alot of movies he's starred in.

>if denzel washington doesn't get nominated for "training
>day", then halle berry never wins for "monster's ball."

ceased caring 2 years ago.

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Clockwork would still be that special. How anyone but Kubrick could have directed it is another question.

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if "repo man" was a french movie, then it would be a given in film schools.

if "cable guy" was jim carrey's first film, then it would be a classic (as much as "ace ventura" is.)

if edward norton wasn't in "american history x," then people would recognize it as the nothing it is.

if any other actor but tom cruise had played jerry maguire, then cuba cooding jr. would not have won an academy award.

if robert de niro plays sal in "do the right thing," then it gets nominated for best picture.

>if "repo man" was a french movie, then it would be a given
>in film schools.

No, it would just be a French cult movie instead of an American cult movie

>if "cable guy" was jim carrey's first film, then it would be
>a classic (as much as "ace ventura" is.)

Probably (in the same light as Ace I mean)

>if edward norton wasn't in "american history x," then people
>would recognize it as the nothing it is.

Yep, it would be an unwatchable after school special. Ed Norton makes it a very watchable after school special though.

>if any other actor but tom cruise had played jerry maguire,
>then cuba cooding jr. would not have won an academy award.

Not even Keanu? (just kidding)

>if robert de niro plays sal in "do the right thing," then it
>gets nominated for best picture.

I doubt they would have given Spike best picture but DeNiro probably would have got a best supporting nod.

>>if "repo man" was a french movie, then it would be a given
>>in film schools.
>
>No, it would just be a French cult movie instead of an
>American cult movie

doesn't the fact that a french movie holds more clout in the "film snob's world of cinema" mean that even if it is a cult movie over there, it is pumped up more than an american one would be?

but alas, we do have freedom fries.

>>if robert de niro plays sal in "do the right thing," then it
>>gets nominated for best picture.
>
>I doubt they would have given Spike best picture but DeNiro
>probably would have got a best supporting nod.

not best picture trophy, but nomination. hell, "field of drems" and "dead poets society" got some that year. and "driving miss daisy" won.

btw, aiello got a nomination, so at the very least de niro would have been nominated and given a better seat.

>>No, it would just be a French cult movie instead of an
>>American cult movie
>
>doesn't the fact that a french movie holds more clout in the
>"film snob's world of cinema" mean that even if it is a cult
>movie over there, it is pumped up more than an american one
>would be?

No… I don’t think anybody gives any special treatment to Subway, La Femme Nikita, The Professional, or any of Luc Besson’s other cult films just because they’re French

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honestly, the only real cult film in this list is "Subway"