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"Mad Men"
Thu Jul-19-07 01:40 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

This show premieres on July 19 at 10pm on AMC. This article on the show's creator is from the NY Times:

>In Act 2, the TV Hit Man Becomes a Pitch Man

By JACQUES STEINBERG

LOS ANGELES, July 12 — Like a trusted Mafia lieutenant, Matthew Weiner helped suffocate Christopher Moltisanti in an S.U.V. and shoot Bobby Baccalieri in a model-train shop. He did so in his capacity as an executive producer of “The Sopranos,” and he shared a writing credit on those particular episodes, and was listed as the sole writer on many others during the series’s final three seasons.

For his next act, Mr. Weiner, 42, has crossed the Hudson River from New Jersey to Madison Avenue and turned the clock back nearly 50 years to the late 1950s, where “Mad Men,” the new dramatic series he has created, begins. It makes its debut on AMC on Thursday night at 10.

Though nobody is killed, at least early on, Mr. Weiner’s lead character, an archetypal advertising man named Don Draper, is surrounded by a supporting staff of misogynistic executives who engage in enough lying, backbiting, drinking and sexual shenanigans during the industry’s golden age to rival the bad behavior of the crew at the Bada Bing club.

There is also a disproportionate amount of spirited conversation in office hallways in the series’s initial episodes — as if “The West Wing” had been restaged in a haze of cigarette smoke, among neat rows of desks topped with typewriters — though not necessarily a lot of action, beyond a low-speed car crash and some overt flirting.

“Talking can be heroic,” Mr. Weiner said in an interview here on the studio set serving as Mr. Draper’s living room, arrayed with linen drapes, needlepoint pillows and copies of Flair, the popular ’50s magazine. “I loved ‘The Sopranos.’ But not every problem can be solved by killing someone. When you take that out of the mix, talking is kind of what you have left, although a lot of problems on this show are solved by sleeping with people.”

The arrival of “Mad Men,” which is being given an initial run of 13 one-hour episodes, comes at a particularly opportune time for both Mr. Weiner and AMC, the basic cable channel that is formally known as American Movie Classics. Mr. Weiner, whose previous writing experience was mostly on two network comedies, “Becker” and “The Naked Truth,” wrote the pilot episode seven years ago, as a so-called spec script, Hollywood’s version of a calling card. It so impressed David Chase, the creator of “The Sopranos,” that he hired Mr. Weiner largely because of it.

“It was what you’re always hoping to see,” Mr. Chase said, calling from a post-“Sopranos” vacation in Europe. “It was lively and it had something new to say. Here was someone who had written a story about advertising in the 1960s, and was looking at recent American history through that prism.”

Though Mr. Weiner mostly put the script for “Mad Men” aside to focus on “The Sopranos,” he revived it last year as the series was winding down. That happened to be the very moment that AMC was searching for an idea for an original series that was cinematic in its ambitions — one that might complement the mix of older and newer movies ( including “Goodfellas” and “Something About Mary” this week) that are the channel’s stock in trade.

In other words, AMC, which is operated by Rainbow Media, a unit of Cablevision, was looking to rip a page out of the HBO playbook, and wound up hiring one of that channel’s star assistant coaches. And it didn’t hurt that he had helped diagram the plays on the equivalent of a perennial Super Bowl champion.

“Matt’s pedigree is second almost to none,” said Charlie Collier, executive vice president and general manager of AMC. But in the end, it was Mr. Weiner’s ability to transport himself and his audience to a period that predated his birth — in 1965 — that persuaded AMC to make his series.

Mr. Weiner, who studied philosophy, literature and history at Wesleyan University before receiving a master’s degree from the University of Southern California film school, said he had always been fascinated by America, and New York City in particular, in 1959. That was not only the year his father, a neuroscientist, and mother, a law school graduate, got married, but was also the eve of the Kennedy-Nixon presidential campaign, and all that it would usher in. (Mr. Weiner’s sister, Allison Hope Weiner, is an occasional contributor to The New York Times.)

Long before he sat down to write the “Mad Men” pilot, Mr. Weiner had steeped himself in the culture of the 1950s and 1960s. He read Salinger, Cheever and Kerouac — as well as “Sex and the Single Girl” and “The Feminine Mystique” — and studied movies like “The Apartment” and “A Guide for the Married Man,” a jarring treatise on the sexism of the time starring Walter Matthau and Robert Morse.

“The ad man was a national fascination,” Mr. Weiner said. “And he came in various forms. He could be James Garner. He could be Rock Hudson. He could be Tony Randall. He could be Glenn Ford.” Mr. Weiner went on to describe that character as “glib, cynical,” as well as someone “who was overpaid, drank too much, smoked too much and had no respect for authority.”

While that character would seem light years away from where Mr. Weiner was when he conceived “Mad Men” — a sitcom writer, he was 35, married to an architect, with three young children — Mr. Weiner said he could nonetheless relate to much of what he had learned about work and family in the late 1950s and early ’60s.

“I was very happy, but I did have this sense about my life and where it was going, sort of like, ‘Is this it? What’s wrong with me? Why aren’t I happier?’ ” he said. “That seemed to be a national point of view at this time.”

Comparisons between “The Sopranos” and “Mad Men” are probably inevitable — and even Mr. Weiner can’t resist saying of his main character, “Don doesn’t kill anyone — with his hands.” Don does, however, seek advertising’s equivalent of a “whack” when he schemes to fire a young rival. Also, perhaps in a homage to Mr. Chase’s Dr. Melfi, Mr. Weiner has one of his disaffected characters seek extended counsel from a psychiatrist.

And yet, in casting his lead character, Mr. Weiner tilted more toward George Clooney than toward James Gandolfini, choosing Jon Hamm, a veteran supporting actor with matinee-idol looks. One of the richest supporting roles in “Mad Men” is that of Bert Cooper, an eccentric ad agency owner who pads around the office in stocking feet; for that role, Mr. Weiner drew inspiration from “Guide for the Married Man,” and cast one of its stars, Mr. Morse, who is now, however improbably, 76.

Mr. Chase’s contribution thus far has been that of an informal cheerleader. But the “Sopranos” creator, who knows something about endings, has an idea for the finale of “Mad Men,” whenever it concludes its run.

“Well, it starts out, what, around 1959,” Mr. Chase said. “I went through the blackout in New York in 1965. That might be a good way to go.”
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Produced by Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards for the Chic Organization Ltd

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Nancy Franklin in the New Yorker LOVES this.
Jul 19th 2007
1
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Jul 19th 2007
2
no one should like tv that much, lol.
Jul 20th 2007
11
LOL I know, but it's her job
Jul 20th 2007
13
Nixon vs. Kennedy
Oct 11th 2007
122
.
Jul 19th 2007
3
everybody please watch
Jul 19th 2007
4
RE: everybody please watch
Jul 19th 2007
5
I think your friend can relax a bit.
Jul 19th 2007
6
      i just hope he gets his due
Jul 19th 2007
7
It had a slow start, but I really liked it
Jul 19th 2007
8
Couldn't tell much from the pilot
Jul 19th 2007
9
I could dig it
Jul 20th 2007
10
same here.
Jul 21st 2007
18
That was my least favorite part of the pilot.
Jul 23rd 2007
20
i really can not wait for the next episode.
Jul 20th 2007
12
the ads were greedy indeed...
Jul 20th 2007
15
yeah, the smoking was done wrong
Jul 21st 2007
19
It doesn't live up to the review hype, but it's solid TV nonetheless.
Jul 20th 2007
14
lol I thought you were taunting, actually
Jul 20th 2007
16
      ah, well, okie dokey then.
Jul 20th 2007
17
nyquil.
Jul 23rd 2007
21
RE: Mad Men
Jul 24th 2007
22
Not bad, not good.
Jul 25th 2007
23
Prettaaaay, prettaaaay, prettaaaaay good!! (c)Larry David
Jul 26th 2007
24
So, who else is still watching?
Aug 10th 2007
25
I yam, and I thought last night's episode was the best so far
Aug 10th 2007
26
excellent ep
Aug 10th 2007
27
ya know!?
Aug 29th 2007
44
RE: I yam, and I thought last night's episode was the best so far
Jul 17th 2008
201
i'm fixated on the smoking...
Aug 11th 2007
28
LOL. I kept thinking it was on A&E, too!
Aug 11th 2007
29
      yes!!!
Aug 13th 2007
30
!!!
Aug 25th 2007
38
i am.
May 05th 2008
190
So I guess no one else has been watching, eh?
Aug 24th 2007
31
sheeeeeit... this is my favorite show on TV at the moment.
Aug 24th 2007
32
i'm still watching it
Aug 24th 2007
33
RE: So I guess no one else has been watching, eh?
Aug 24th 2007
34
      RE: So I guess no one else has been watching, eh?
Aug 25th 2007
39
           RE: So I guess no one else has been watching, eh?
Aug 25th 2007
40
           sad thing is, I think she's *trying*
Aug 29th 2007
45
I On Demand'ed Episode 1 last night
Aug 24th 2007
35
Cool. And there are more twists in store for you...
Aug 24th 2007
36
indeed!
Aug 30th 2007
48
On Demand works yo
Aug 25th 2007
37
It's growing on me...
Aug 26th 2007
41
Just about caught up...
Aug 29th 2007
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RE: Just about caught up...
Aug 29th 2007
43
oh the truth will most certainly out
Aug 29th 2007
46
lol@John Hodgman
Aug 29th 2007
47
Red in the Face
Aug 31st 2007
49
does that make episode #7?
Aug 31st 2007
50
Yes
Aug 31st 2007
51
another great episode
Sep 03rd 2007
52
RE: Red in the Face
Sep 03rd 2007
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but remember...
Sep 03rd 2007
54
Ah.
Sep 03rd 2007
55
      a couple reasons why Pete may not stab Peggy in the back
Sep 04th 2007
56
RE: Red in the Face
Sep 04th 2007
57
RE: Red in the Face
Sep 05th 2007
58
I watched a marathon labor day weekend
Sep 05th 2007
59
RE: I watched a marathon labor day weekend
Sep 05th 2007
60
Another dope episode.
Sep 07th 2007
61
Peter really is a miserable sap...
Sep 07th 2007
62
He's killin' it in that blue suit though!
Sep 07th 2007
70
RE: Peter really is a miserable sap...
Sep 08th 2007
71
      He may be a child, but at least he's not a 'whore child'
Sep 08th 2007
72
           I'm willing to bet he pick up "smooth" in France...
Sep 08th 2007
73
                it's either that or hanging around with hoboes...
Sep 09th 2007
74
                     did the hobo tell his name?
Sep 09th 2007
75
                          Oh, shit! I knew he looked familiar.
Sep 09th 2007
77
                          Holy crap! Good call!
Sep 11th 2007
79
                               Thank you!!! I was trying to figure out who that creepy hobo was
Jul 11th 2008
197
probably the most 'packed' episode yet
Sep 07th 2007
63
Yeah, plot-wise, it was nothing to write home about*
Sep 07th 2007
64
      I haven't watched it yet in real time...
Sep 07th 2007
66
           I've been On-Demanding too. But last night I DVR'd
Sep 07th 2007
67
                Football season has started...
Sep 07th 2007
68
Office Fuckin on the opening scene!!!
Sep 07th 2007
65
      zoey bartlet is all grown up
Sep 07th 2007
69
Thanks for warning me about this show
Sep 09th 2007
76
Wow! I'm caught up and completely flipped on my initial take.
Sep 11th 2007
78
Shoot ep#9
Sep 14th 2007
80
Wow, this ep was so good, I was late getting to work.
Sep 14th 2007
81
I respect this kind of dedication.
Sep 14th 2007
82
lol
Sep 19th 2007
87
Loved that ending
Sep 16th 2007
83
Directed by Paul Feig.
Sep 16th 2007
85
      noticed that too...
Sep 19th 2007
86
ive been avoiding the hell out this post...
Sep 16th 2007
84
Long Weekend
Sep 28th 2007
88
Another great episode
Sep 28th 2007
89
RE: Another great episode
Sep 29th 2007
90
VERY cold-blooded
Sep 29th 2007
92
How else could she have handled it though?
Oct 01st 2007
94
      RE: How else could she have handled it though?
Oct 01st 2007
95
      I'm still trying to figure Joan out
Oct 01st 2007
99
           RE: I'm still trying to figure Joan out
Oct 01st 2007
100
                I was thinking so
Oct 01st 2007
101
                RE: I'm still trying to figure Joan out
Oct 01st 2007
103
                     I would LOVE to see that elevator/shotgun scene come back
Oct 02nd 2007
107
      RE: How else could she have handled it though?
Oct 01st 2007
97
           she was giving her friend an easy out
Oct 01st 2007
98
                I guess I'm as tired as Joan claimed the woman was.
Oct 01st 2007
104
                     No, let's disagree to agree!
Oct 02nd 2007
106
RE: Another great episode
Oct 01st 2007
96
RE: Don's relationship with Betty
Sep 29th 2007
91
      Very well said.
Oct 01st 2007
93
oh and that Kennedy ad was great
Oct 01st 2007
102
The Apartment references were fun.
Oct 02nd 2007
105
Indian Summer
Oct 04th 2007
108
Good Episode
Oct 04th 2007
109
RE: Good Episode
Oct 05th 2007
110
well, yeah... she was obviously in a fat suit
Oct 05th 2007
111
I smell blackmail a brewin'.
Oct 08th 2007
113
I don't think she's pregnant.
Oct 08th 2007
112
      If she's not...
Oct 08th 2007
114
      skills
Oct 10th 2007
121
      see the weight is looking less and less like pregnancy weight to me
Oct 09th 2007
116
      I just noticed it...
Oct 10th 2007
118
           Yeah, the weight kinda works to her advantage.
Oct 10th 2007
119
           Preggy Peggy...watch!
Oct 12th 2007
132
           RE: I just noticed it...
Oct 10th 2007
120
You people are unfocused.
Oct 09th 2007
115
RE: You people are unfocused.
Oct 09th 2007
117
Nixon vs. Kennedy
Oct 11th 2007
123
Nixon vs Kennedy
Oct 11th 2007
124
The Wheel
Oct 15th 2007
146
RE: Nixon vs Kennedy
Oct 16th 2007
160
MOTHERFUCKER that was a great episode.
Oct 12th 2007
125
2nd best of the season
Oct 12th 2007
126
i wasn't at all surprised by Cooper's reaction
Oct 12th 2007
127
RE: i wasn't at all surprised by Cooper's reaction
Oct 12th 2007
128
Co-sign
Oct 12th 2007
129
me either but Draper looked like he had no idea what was coming
Oct 15th 2007
151
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Oct 12th 2007
130
RE: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Oct 12th 2007
135
Draper's entire steez just flip flops for that chick
Oct 15th 2007
152
^^^ yessir
Oct 12th 2007
133
The critics are loving it, the ratings are so-so
Oct 12th 2007
134
      What is it up against?
Oct 12th 2007
137
           I usually watch the 2nd airing
Oct 12th 2007
138
can i say how much i love this show???
Oct 14th 2007
143
Check post #91. :-)
Oct 14th 2007
145
      aaaah!!!
Oct 16th 2007
161
So what did you think was going through Joan's mind
Oct 15th 2007
148
      for Joan it probably sealed the deal
Oct 15th 2007
149
      Yup.
Oct 15th 2007
154
      I think she knew already...
Oct 16th 2007
157
I hope Sterling comes back eventually.
Oct 12th 2007
131
That was a great visual
Oct 12th 2007
136
damn there is going to be so much tension if/when he returns
Oct 15th 2007
153
the flashback scenes
Oct 13th 2007
139
I would like to know...
Oct 13th 2007
140
would he give a shit
Oct 13th 2007
141
I think he'd feel a momentary twinge of guilt.
Oct 13th 2007
142
      to him his brother was already dead...
Oct 14th 2007
144
it was crazy how quickly he thought to pull the ol' switcheroo
Oct 15th 2007
150
      RE: it was crazy how quickly he thought to pull the ol' switcheroo
Oct 15th 2007
155
here's a great reading of 'Nixon vs. Kennedy'
Oct 16th 2007
156
dope
Oct 16th 2007
158
      Although I'd argue that there's still lots of mystery left to Draper
Oct 16th 2007
159
           Good question.
Oct 16th 2007
162
           Just pete...
Oct 16th 2007
163
                yeah the younger guys have made college/frat references
Oct 16th 2007
164
           RE: Although I'd argue that there's still lots of mystery left to Draper
Oct 18th 2007
165
i LOVE this show...but the reason for the explosion was silly lol
Oct 18th 2007
166
      RE: i LOVE this show...but the reason for the explosion was silly lol
Oct 18th 2007
167
The Wheel
Oct 15th 2007
147
lol@pete
Oct 18th 2007
168
okay... i'm confused about a few things now.
Oct 18th 2007
169
Peggy...whuh?
Oct 18th 2007
170
RE: Peggy...whuh?
Oct 19th 2007
173
RE: Peggy...whuh?
Nov 01st 2007
182
      Yeah, I had issues with that too, but consider the history.
Nov 01st 2007
183
           i had questions about this.....your explanation, though, makes sense.
Jul 21st 2008
205
Draper killed it on the preso.
Oct 18th 2007
171
don stole on crane's emotions
Oct 18th 2007
172
Greatness.
Oct 22nd 2007
179
Matthew Weiner touches on some things in the finale (swipe)
Oct 19th 2007
174
Good read. I like that Weiner lets us in to his mind more...
Oct 20th 2007
175
i love dvr
Oct 21st 2007
176
agreed
Oct 27th 2007
180
my favorite 3 scenes in the finale
Oct 21st 2007
177
ill say it again: I LOVE THIS FUCKING SHOW
Oct 22nd 2007
178
I got into this show slowly
Oct 31st 2007
181
RE: Mad Men
Nov 01st 2007
184
It's never too early for SEASON 2 PREDICTIONS!
Nov 01st 2007
185
Season 1 DVD 7/1/08
Apr 11th 2008
186
that zippo dvd case is too cool for school
Apr 11th 2008
187
yep and re-reading this post has me feenin' for Season 1 all over again
Apr 11th 2008
188
ABOUT GODDAMN TIME
Apr 11th 2008
189
it's a fuckin zippo case! lol.
May 06th 2008
191
season 2 to start on july 27.
Jun 02nd 2008
192
awwyeah
Jun 02nd 2008
193
Mad Men to run 5 years -- Matthew Weiner
Jul 10th 2008
194
Matthew Weiner... I hope he sticks to it...
Jul 10th 2008
195
my hype levels for this series just reached critical mass. in my pants.
Jul 10th 2008
196
      I just finished watching the DVD release of Season 1 and reading this th...
Jul 11th 2008
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           That's the first thing I thought of when I read '14 months later.'
Jul 11th 2008
199
yo whadda fuck??? this thread is like a year old...
Jul 12th 2008
200
are they gonna re-run season 1?
Jul 17th 2008
202
I know that it's currently On Demand, and season 1 is on DVD
Jul 17th 2008
203
Internets. n/m
Jul 17th 2008
204

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1. "Nancy Franklin in the New Yorker LOVES this."
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She says, among other things, that if any states have legalized marriage between people and their televisions, she's going to run off and marry hers because of this show.

It's in this week's issue. Kinda makes me want to get actual television service.

  

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2. "."
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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11. "no one should like tv that much, lol."
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only to mistranslate
a rhythm in your hair...
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13. "LOL I know, but it's her job"
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It is painful in the extreme to live with questions rather than with answers, but that is the only honorable intellectual course. (c) Norman Mailer

  

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122. "Nixon vs. Kennedy"
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4. "everybody please watch"
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I am friends with one of the main costars and he is a really great guy who could deserve this break.

- Dub

I give rappers the biz for being m-izza-a-archaic.

  

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5. "RE: everybody please watch"
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My buddy's an assistant editor on it and swears it's great. I have high hopes.

Bringing you unpopular posts since 2003.

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6. "I think your friend can relax a bit."
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With reviews like this on basic cable, and a 13 episode run...it looks like he's going to get more than a little bit of shine.

http://www.metacritic.com/tv/shows/madmen

My TiVo is set, by the way.

***This has been another positive bignick post.***

  

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7. "i just hope he gets his due"
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He's been grinding for years, so even if the show blows up i just hope they let his character actually do something, yaknow

- Dub

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8. "It had a slow start, but I really liked it"
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Go Wings.

  

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9. "Couldn't tell much from the pilot"
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Right now, I'm not feeling it but it could blossom.

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10. "I could dig it"
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Loved Don's speech about how the ad men created the concept of "love"

I'ma keep watching
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18. "same here."
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>Loved Don's speech about how the ad men created the concept
>of "love"

www.theforeignexchangemusic.com

  

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20. "That was my least favorite part of the pilot."
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That whole scene came totally out of left field and felt like a poorly done Roger Dodger rip-off to me.

  

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12. "i really can not wait for the next episode."
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i'm feeling it... they need to chill out with some of the over-blatant "period piece" jokes, though (like the one about the copy machine) and i thought some of the smoking was overdone.

also, i really wish it were on HBO (or at least Showtime) because it feels somehow like it's holding back. and AMC runs TOO MANY ads.

other than that, it's great!

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15. "the ads were greedy indeed..."
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maybe they thought we wouldn't mind given the show's theme.

I did like the touch of the historical notes that preceded them. That was actually a brilliant way to engage the viewer and pull them into the brand.

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19. "yeah, the smoking was done wrong"
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it was too blatant. It didn't look natural.

  

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14. "It doesn't live up to the review hype, but it's solid TV nonetheless."
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And no, Janey, I didn't double post deliberately, ya smart ass.

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16. "lol I thought you were taunting, actually"
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17. "ah, well, okie dokey then."
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21. "nyquil."
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22. "RE: Mad Men"
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I enjoyed it, saw quite a few actors from other shows in the past (Kevin Hill, Standoff) that I was glad to see working.

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23. "Not bad, not good."
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I'll definitely check out a couple more episodes to see if I start feeling it. The characters are too flat for my liking.

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24. "Prettaaaay, prettaaaay, prettaaaaay good!! (c)Larry David"
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I'll give it a few more eps to decide if it's must see TV.

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25. "So, who else is still watching?"
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That Don Draper guy is like an onion, man. (If indeed that really is his name. lol)

His wife annoys me. I don't have much sympathy for her. Obviously she didn't look beyond Draper's looks and money when she decided to marry him. How are you gonna make a life commitment to someone who won't talk about their past?

I love how they time those little trivia bits so that I catch each of them with my 30-second skip button. lol



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26. "I yam, and I thought last night's episode was the best so far"
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It was more of a character study than something done to "advance the plot"

In that sense, I really enjoyed it

Pete's a slimy bastard, but we at least got to have a little bit of empathy for the dude, even though he comes from money and got to keep his job because of that fact

It was like seeing the various ways a guy can get emascualted...

... and as far as that woman's (Helen's?) son... are they hinting that he may be gay?

These characters are fascinating to me

Really good stuff.
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27. "excellent ep"
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This show has been great so far.

>Pete's a slimy bastard, but we at least got to have a little
>bit of empathy for the dude, even though he comes from money
>and got to keep his job because of that fact
>
>It was like seeing the various ways a guy can get
>emascualted...

Pete is a piece of shit, but I definitely felt sorry for him by the end of the episode. And his "Bethlehem steel, the backbone of america" idea was much better than either of Draper's.

The scene with Draper and Sterling going to Cooper's office was hilarious b/c they played that shit completely straight.

  

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44. "ya know!?"
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>Pete is a piece of shit, but I definitely felt sorry for him
>by the end of the episode. And his "Bethlehem steel, the
>backbone of america" idea was much better than either of
>Draper's.

And yes, Pete was dumb for pitching the idea in a bar, but it's no worse than going into a meeting with no fucking ideas whatsoever, which seems to be Draper's M.O.

I loved Draper's line about Pete's parents putting out 'a mediocre product'.... burn.

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201. "RE: I yam, and I thought last night's episode was the best so far"
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>
>... and as far as that woman's (Helen's?) son... are they
>hinting that he may be gay?
>

that's what i was wondering...it wasn't clear what they were hinting at so i didn't know what to think.


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28. "i'm fixated on the smoking..."
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i keep tellin ppl about it
then realized i was tellin them it came on A&E & not AMC *grrr*

  

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29. "LOL. I kept thinking it was on A&E, too!"
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I did a double take when I saw the AMC logo. It just seems more like something you'd see on A&E, maybe because of Matthew Weiner's connection with The Sopranos.

And yeah, the amount of smoking is crazy - especially when they showed that pregnant woman smoking *and* drinking.


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30. "yes!!!"
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& do u remember the scene where the little girl is playin martians & she has the plastic bag frum the cleaners over her entire body

& her mother's response was,

"that dry-cleaning had better not be all over the floor"


this was DEFINITELY the era before the don'ts & do-nots

  

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38. "!!!"
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>That Don Draper guy is like an onion, man. (If indeed that
>really is his name. lol)
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190. "i am."
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i look forward to the dvd set of season one. i long for commentary tracks.

  

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31. "So I guess no one else has been watching, eh?"
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Last night's episode was aight (though admittedly I was hardly paying attention)

Last *week's* episode, however, was fantastic

It was about "Don"

Really, really good stuff
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32. "sheeeeeit... this is my favorite show on TV at the moment."
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can't get enough of it!

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33. "i'm still watching it"
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i agree, this week's episode wasn't that impressive.

but damn, joan is lookin good.


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34. "RE: So I guess no one else has been watching, eh?"
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>Last night's episode was aight (though admittedly I was
>hardly paying attention)
>
>Last *week's* episode, however, was fantastic
>
>It was about "Don"
>
>Really, really good stuff

Last week was great.

As far as this week, the scenes with Don's wife are hard to watch b/c she's not interesting which makes the scenes seem like they're going on forever. Which isn't good to begin the ep.

I like how they've been juxtaposing Peggy and Joan. Peggy is obviously intelligent, but Joan is the 'master' of what women are valued for in that office.

I think the 'understanding jews' issue is akward, which is probably the point.

  

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39. "RE: So I guess no one else has been watching, eh?"
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>As far as this week, the scenes with Don's wife are hard to
>watch b/c she's not interesting which makes the scenes seem
>like they're going on forever. Which isn't good to begin the
>ep.

I agree. I find it interesting that "Don" is married to a rather dull, doll-like blonde who doesn't seem all that bright, but on the side he goes after brunettes with strong personalities.

>
>I like how they've been juxtaposing Peggy and Joan. Peggy is
>obviously intelligent, but Joan is the 'master' of what women
>are valued for in that office.

Yeah. Although, it bothers me that Peggy remains so mousy. Her bangs are hideous! I know she doesn't want to be like all the other "chickens" in the office, but can't she look somewhat pretty *and* still be intelligent?




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40. "RE: So I guess no one else has been watching, eh?"
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>
>Yeah. Although, it bothers me that Peggy remains so mousy. Her
>bangs are hideous! I know she doesn't want to be like all the
>other "chickens" in the office, but can't she look somewhat
>pretty *and* still be intelligent?

Those bangs bother me. I don't know why, but they make Peggy extremely unattractive. She's already homely looking and the bangs don't help.

On the Sopranos, Weiner had a tendency to be a bit overstated so the bangs may be his way of physically referencing Peggy's naivety.

  

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45. "sad thing is, I think she's *trying*"
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>Yeah. Although, it bothers me that Peggy remains so mousy. Her
>bangs are hideous! I know she doesn't want to be like all the
>other "chickens" in the office, but can't she look somewhat
>pretty *and* still be intelligent?

I swear after Joan suggested scarves she tried rocking one for a day. Sweet girl, but I have the nagging suspicion her last job was in a big tree making EL Fudge cookies.

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35. "I On Demand'ed Episode 1 last night"
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(and by the way, digital cable is that crack. pausing a tv show? the future is NOW, people.)

Anyway... I loved it. LOVED it.

The characters, the settings, the situations... I've got high hopes for this series. I'm not a big TV guy but I thought this was one of the stronger first episodes I've ever seen.

The period jokes didn't really bother me. The Xerox reference was quite funny, I thought. And the smoking was a bit out of hand, but it tied into the main storyline of the episode. If it persists I could see it getting annoying but I was fine with it here.

The sexism is bananas. I couldn't believe some of the shenanigans that Mike Foley looking dude was getting away with. What year was pepper spray invented?

That twist at the end with dude having the wife and kids? Brilliant. Me and the wife were falling off the couch and "OH SHIT SON!"ing just like we would for an episode of BSG, or Lost when Lost was still worth watching. In the buckshot household, the mark of good tv is whether or not it can make us fall of the couch screaming "OH SHIT SON!" This is good tv.

Now, as for that Lucky Strike meeting. Shit would not go down like that at any agency in any year, ever. But it was good drama, so who gives a damn, right? A little false and maybe even cliche, but fun. And it made way for that little "advertising is" speech, which was a high point (though I hope we don't get one of these every episode)

I give it an A. Will try and get all caught up this weekend if I can.


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36. "Cool. And there are more twists in store for you..."
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48. "indeed!"
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This Don Draper shit is getting deep.

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37. "On Demand works yo"
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shit is great

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41. "It's growing on me..."
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Some of the follow-up episodes were better than the pilot, although the last one was lacking for me.

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42. "Just about caught up..."
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With the novelty of On Demand wearing off, I feel I'm better equipped to judge this show on an objective level. And you know what? I still really like it. By the way- Boomerang's Thundarr the Barbarian episodes will only available On Demand for 2 more days. Just a heads up.

Anyway.

Don Draper is one fascinating protagonist. That shit he pulled with the birthday cake?GRIMEY! That shit with his brother? DOUBLE GRIMEY!! Yet somehow, you just wanna root for the dude. If for no other reason than to see what grimey shit he'll come up with next. His inevitable meltdown should be a real hoot.

And Pete Campbell (when did John Hodgman lose all that weight and get contacts, by the way?), what can I say? The little scumbag is growing on me. Likeable? No. No one on this show is. But even if he is a total d-bag, I just can't help but sympathize. The universe seems to be working against him in every aspect of his life. Buying your house with the in-law's fortune? Never a good look. And LOL @ Boy's Life. I need to read this talking bear story.

The wife, a bit dull. She's so damn repressed (and a bit dim, maybe) that her early scenes were like watching paint dry. Paint that has a nerve disorder and a sham of a marriage, that is. As things fall apart, she should get more interesting. I thought she showed promise in the last couple of eps.

The guys around the office I still can't discern between. They all come off as typical frat guy asshole alpha male types to varying degrees. Maybe they'll develop over time, although the corporate drone effect is sort of neat too. The closeted gay guy is interesting, I hope he's not just gonna be a walking punchline the whole time. Joan is bangin', and the way she works that office is nothing short of inspired.

All in all I'd say it's my favorite show on TV right now, though The Hills could take that spot depending on how things play out with Spencer and Heidi this season.

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43. "RE: Just about caught up..."
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Don Draper might be my favorite character on tv right now. hes such a complex character and i love the way he keeps the ENTIRE world at a distance to hide his flaws/weaknesses. its going to be interesting to see how he reacts, as you know some of these things in his life will have to come to light

  

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46. "oh the truth will most certainly out"
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The thing about Draper is he isn't all that different from your typical LOST character, it's just that his show happens to be a bit tighter thematically. The core tension of advertising is that of truth vs. presentation, and Don basically personifies this in every way. He's both an ad man and an ad, man! From my understanding of this time period in American history, this duality was sort of a national epidemic. Not that we've gotten over it, mind you.

And maybe I'm reading too deep into the Saul Bass-esque opening credits, but I think there's more going on here than a slick metaphor. Before the end of this series, someone (Pete or Don, even) is gonna jump off the goddamn roof.

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47. "lol@John Hodgman"
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49. "Red in the Face"
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several things:

1. Pete doesn't ever need a rifle in his hands
2. I loved how Draper waited a bit before giving Sterling his comeuppance.
3. Still like Sterling. I gotta a soft spot for conversational drunks.
4. Did Peggy have an orgasm listening to Pete, or what?
5. Mrs. Draper showed a little personality this ep.

Another good ep.

  

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50. "does that make episode #7?"
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I wasn't able to tune in last night but I recently watched the 6th and final ep that On Demand was offering up. The one with Don's flashback, the lipstick focus group, Joan, Isreal tourism and some really good moments in a beatnik bar. I thought it was one of the best episodes yet.

How far behind am I?

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51. "Yes"
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52. "another great episode"
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>several things:
>
>1. Pete doesn't ever need a rifle in his hands

Seriously disturbing stuff right there. Loved how non chalant everyone was about it, though.

>2. I loved how Draper waited a bit before giving Sterling his
>comeuppance.

Yes. Don Draper utilizes prep-time in a manner that would make Batman proud.


>3. Still like Sterling. I gotta a soft spot for conversational
>drunks.

Yeah, I don't really hate the guy. But I don't feel sorry for him, either.

>4. Did Peggy have an orgasm listening to Pete, or what?

That was weird.

>5. Mrs. Draper showed a little personality this ep.

*SMACK*

>Another good ep.

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53. "RE: Red in the Face"
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>1. Pete doesn't ever need a rifle in his hands

Man, he's creepy. So, did he return that chip and dip as a way of getting back at his wife, or was it because he needed the money to support their lifestyle? I'm guessing it was the former - or maybe it was the latter consciously and the former subconsciously. lol. I know he's going to steal Peggy's ideas and present them as his own, or give her bad advice to make her look bad.


>2. I loved how Draper waited a bit before giving Sterling his
>comeuppance.

Revenge is best served cold.

>4. Did Peggy have an orgasm listening to Pete, or what?

Looked like it.


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54. "but remember..."
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>I know he's going to steal Peggy's ideas
>and present them as his own, or give her bad advice to make
>her look bad.

Pete knows better than to try pitching copy again

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55. "Ah."
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>>I know he's going to steal Peggy's ideas
>>and present them as his own, or give her bad advice to make
>>her look bad.
>
>Pete knows better than to try pitching copy again

So, maybe he'll pass his ideas through her and try to take credit for them later?

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56. "a couple reasons why Pete may not stab Peggy in the back"
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1. She likes him. She's pretty much the only one in the whole building who likes the guy. I think for the sake of his own fragile ego he's gonna keep it that way for as long as possible.

2. She's not a threat. One she's a woman, two she's a secretary. I don't think Pete thinks he has anything to gain by one-upping her. Granted, if he smells a million dollar idea he'll no doubt try to stake some sort of claim on it. But I can't imagine that this is is motive at this point.


And Peggy's writing assignment is kind of fishy anyway. Isn't the whole thing kind of weird? I know they were impressed by her in the focus group, but given the boy's club atmosphere it seems like it would take a lot more than 'basket of kisses' to get them to ask a secretary to write copy. And the fact that it was Joan of all people to pass on the message, I just dunno. And no one has really brought it up to Peggy since. I smell a rat, I just don't think it's Pete this time.

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57. "RE: Red in the Face"
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Draper's revenge was great.

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58. "RE: Red in the Face"
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>several things:
>

>2. I loved how Draper waited a bit before giving Sterling his
>comeuppance.

As good as it was he was still being a jackass with his wife though the next day with the comment about the roast.

>3. Still like Sterling. I gotta a soft spot for conversational
>drunks.

Especially who replace what they drank up.


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59. "I watched a marathon labor day weekend"
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I watched most of the 1st ep when it was originally aired.
I did n't like it right away but I did'nt hate it either so I waited until I could see a few eps. back to back to judge.
I think it's an interesting show.
The are beginning to take some form at this point (ep 7)
I realized that the only visual I really have to this time period is old TV like Leave it to Beaver, Father knows Best etc. So I could not help but to keep thinking that this show was the "dark side to those type "all americian" suburban family shows. A ward Cleaver at work show.
I can't tell weather the over the top drinking/smoking,(especially by pregnant women) the kids with plastic bags on their heads, smacking kids in the face for running in the house, is done to show how things were really back then or are grossly exaggerated to pick fun at the characters and time period.

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60. "RE: I watched a marathon labor day weekend"
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>I can't tell weather the over the top
>drinking/smoking,(especially by pregnant women) the kids with
>plastic bags on their heads, smacking kids in the face for
>running in the house, is done to show how things were really
>back then or are grossly exaggerated to pick fun at the
>characters and time period.

This is my grandpop's generation. He loves to tell how it was back then. The alcohol and nicotine consumption is on par with how he describes those times. Same with the child rearing except for the shit with the plastic bag. That was wild.

  

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61. "Another dope episode."
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62. "Peter really is a miserable sap..."
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Even when he's got it made, he has to do things to make others feel as shitty as Don makes him feel in comparison.

Did they just use Robert Mitchum as a gay come-on?

  

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70. "He's killin' it in that blue suit though!"
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The bar scene really clenched it for me. Dude just doesn't know how to have a good time. And can't stand to see anyone else enjoying themself.

Everybody noticed that rifle is still in the corner of his office, right?

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71. "RE: Peter really is a miserable sap..."
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>Even when he's got it made, he has to do things to make
>others feel as shitty as Don makes him feel in comparison.

Dude is a child. His "I don't like you like this" comment showed that he isn't comfortable in the real world.


>Did they just use Robert Mitchum as a gay come-on?

I don't know if the guy was saying he drunk a lot with Mitchum to show he's a 'man's man' and can handle his liquor like Mitchum; or if it is some DL code.



I'm waiting to see how Joan schemes on Peggy.

  

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72. "He may be a child, but at least he's not a 'whore child'"
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How the hell did Draper end up so smooth?

Because in those flashbacks he looks like something straight out of 'Gummo'

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73. "I'm willing to bet he pick up "smooth" in France..."
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During the war.

  

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74. "it's either that or hanging around with hoboes..."
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75. "did the hobo tell his name?"
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I kept waiting for the hobo to say his name was Don Draper.

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77. "Oh, shit! I knew he looked familiar."
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>I hope Father Phil is the only Sopranos acting alumni to show
>up.


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79. "Holy crap! Good call!"
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I was trying to figure that out.

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197. "Thank you!!! I was trying to figure out who that creepy hobo was"
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Nice one...

  

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63. "probably the most 'packed' episode yet"
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still not much going on in terms of plot (i ain't mad at that, btw) but a helluva lot of character work.

and is it just me, or have the number of commercials diminished significantly?

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64. "Yeah, plot-wise, it was nothing to write home about*"
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* in the sense that the show is taking its own sweet time getting to its ultimate destination in regard to the end of the season... which, as we all know, I'm not mad at either


I always zip through the commercials... I know that AMC adds interesting little tidbits before the commercials but I never see em... and it helps when your good local cable company cuts off some of the little tidbits to air local commercials (thankx, Time Warner, you're the BEST!)...

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66. "I haven't watched it yet in real time..."
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>I always zip through the commercials... I know that AMC adds
>interesting little tidbits before the commercials but I never
>see em... and it helps when your good local cable company cuts
>off some of the little tidbits to air local commercials
>(thankx, Time Warner, you're the BEST!)...
>
>But yeah, I'm loving the hell out of this show...


It airs @ 10pm, it posts on on-demand at 12:01am. I just wait. After the first ep I watched on-demand I got the sense that commercials would ruin the feel of the show.


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67. "I've been On-Demanding too. But last night I DVR'd"
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I think that's what you call it.

I told the magic box to record it every time a new episode came on. Whatever that is.

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68. "Football season has started..."
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I waste no space on my DVR for new shows. Just games and shows I can depend on.
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65. "Office Fuckin on the opening scene!!!"
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That's what I'm screamin! Draper high having lil Draper flashbacks!
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69. "zoey bartlet is all grown up"
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76. "Thanks for warning me about this show"
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I'll pass.

  

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78. "Wow! I'm caught up and completely flipped on my initial take."
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This is one of the best shows on TV, period. As good as The Wire or Sopranos. Over time, it has been growing on me and with the last few episodes (On Demand), it has been leaving me breathless.

The last episode, 107, was flawless and without par. Just brilliant television.

Definite Emmy material for Weiner and Co.

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80. "Shoot ep#9"
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Pretty good ep.

I wish Don's wife would've taken that shotgun and put it in her mouth.

Pete is so awkward with any woman except for Peggy.

  

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81. "Wow, this ep was so good, I was late getting to work."
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I sat down to watch, like, 15 minutes of it while I ate my breakfast, and I ended up saying "Screw it, I'm watching the whole thing". lol


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82. "I respect this kind of dedication."
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All too often do we let the trivial things in life like our day jobs get in the way of great television.

Meanwhile, my ass FORGOT it even came on last night. This is why I have no regular TV shows. Because I have the brain capacity of a goldfish.

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87. "lol"
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>All too often do we let the trivial things in life like our
>day jobs get in the way of great television.

Tee-hee. Well, my schedule is really flexible, so it's not like my boss was looking at her watch when I came in.


>Meanwhile, my ass FORGOT it even came on last night. This is
>why I have no regular TV shows. Because I have the brain
>capacity of a goldfish.

No DVR, eh?

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83. "Loved that ending"
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Anyone who doesn't have love for Ma Draper clearly isn't paying attention. This is a very interesting character arc we're witnessing.

Don was a stand up dude this ep.

Pete came up with a brilliant idea and still managed to come off as a complete fuck up.

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85. "Directed by Paul Feig."
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86. "noticed that too..."
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i knew it was going to be a great ep when that appeared.

  

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84. "ive been avoiding the hell out this post..."
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i started slowly catching up about a month ago and am hooked. i love the tone of the show. im a sucker for nostalgic television that doesnt know its nostalgic. you know what i mean? it LOOKS like an old time 50's-60's show, but it lives like a modern one. the acting is fantastic. the writing is fantastic. it has the most exciting theme song since "Rescue Me" (when those drums kick in...madness) the clothing is so sick.


ill be caught up to episode 9 in a couple hours, so you can expect to me to finish off the season with all of you.

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88. "Long Weekend"
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Another good one.

I don't know if Draper was more upset by the circumstances of Sterling's health problems or if he sees himself becoming Sterling.

I was more weirded out by Joan's roommate's actions, than by Sterling trying to get some taboo porn started in the office.

I still wanna slap the shit out of Mrs. Draper.

  

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89. "Another great episode"
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im so glad Peggy made the putz shut his mouth. he's such a little bitch. i dont know why, but i keep picturing kevin connoly in the role. but kartheiser plays it well.

im finding the homosexuality/racism elements to be so fascinating on this show. the way joan just completely dismisses her roommates confession was so cold blooded. that bitch was a borderline psycho stalker and Joan's like "let's go eat."

John Slattery is constantly impressing me with his chops. i really like the guy. "why don't you show your sister how much you love her" what a line to pull.

I was very happy when Don finally hooked up with Rachel. i love their chemistry. i dont see any chemistry b/w Don and January Jones. maybe thats what the writers want though.

I'm still surprised at how Jon Hamm was the 'other man' on What About Brian. he's really impressing me as an actor. i see big things for him. his voice is so perfect for the kind of role he plays.

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90. "RE: Another great episode"
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>im finding the homosexuality/racism elements to be so
>fascinating on this show. the way joan just completely
>dismisses her roommates confession was so cold blooded. that
>bitch was a borderline psycho stalker and Joan's like "let's
>go eat."

You thought it was cold blooded? I thought Joan handled that with a lot of warmth, all things considered. I mean Joan wasn't down for it obviously, but she didn't get freaked out or attack, she just sort of gave her roomie an easy out and managed to keep it in the friend zone with minimal awkwardness. Should they have sat down on the couch and had a long talk? This ain't 'My So Called Life', buddy!

And when she had to come in and type up shit for that telegraph? Damn.

>John Slattery is constantly impressing me with his chops. i
>really like the guy. "why don't you show your sister how much
>you love her" what a line to pull.

Yeah man he's killing it. What was that one line... "I've been living the last 20 years like I was on shore leave" So great.


>I was very happy when Don finally hooked up with Rachel. i
>love their chemistry. i dont see any chemistry b/w Don and
>January Jones. maybe thats what the writers want though.

He is wayyyyyy into her. Dude was crumbling!

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92. "VERY cold-blooded"
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>You thought it was cold blooded? I thought Joan handled that
>with a lot of warmth, all things considered. I mean Joan
>wasn't down for it obviously, but she didn't get freaked out
>or attack, she just sort of gave her roomie an easy out and
>managed to keep it in the friend zone with minimal
>awkwardness. Should they have sat down on the couch and had a
>long talk? This ain't 'My So Called Life', buddy!


There's a "Chasing Amy"-esque declaration of love right there, and Joan just brushes it off rather dismissively. I think, of course, part of it has to definitely do with the mores and culture of the time, as I imagine she was mostly ignorant to it. But, compare that to Salvatore's situation. Joan just suggesting that she's "tired and needs sleep/distressed" was VERY crushing, which is why the woman just gave up and let that middle-aged loser have his way with her. It was actually pretty sad.

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94. "How else could she have handled it though?"
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>There's a "Chasing Amy"-esque declaration of love right there,
>and Joan just brushes it off rather dismissively. I think, of
>course, part of it has to definitely do with the mores and
>culture of the time,

There was definitely some pre-Sexual Revolution repression tossed in there, but come on. Your same sex roommate whom you are not attracted to in that way just confesses they've been stalking you since freshman orientation and they long to be close to you © the carpenters, how would you react? Joan's brushing off did sort of belittle the situation, but at the same time I can see it as an act of kindness. Basically she denied her roommate with the same semi-respect and catty warmth that she would deny anyone's advances, so in that sense I thought it was a pretty enlightened move especially for the time it took place.


>as I imagine she was mostly ignorant to
>it.

Maybe ignorant but not exactly inexperienced. I mean she didn't seem the least bit shocked by it. You think she already suspected? Maybe this happens with all her roommates?


>But, compare that to Salvatore's situation.

Salvatore's situation has nothing in common with this one with the exception of the characters both struggling with their sexual identities. At least he comes on to dudes he has a shot with, even if he's afraid to go the distance.

>Joan just
>suggesting that she's "tired and needs sleep/distressed" was
>VERY crushing, which is why the woman just gave up and let
>that middle-aged loser have his way with her. It was actually
>pretty sad.

Man that ain't Joan's fault. Homegirl could have just as easily broken out the Scrabble board.

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95. "RE: How else could she have handled it though?"
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>
>Maybe ignorant but not exactly inexperienced. I mean she
>didn't seem the least bit shocked by it. You think she already
>suspected? Maybe this happens with all her roommates?
>

I though I was the only one to think this, I though Joan handled it as if she already knew or like sh was thinking. " well I am irresistable to men so naturally some women are going to be attracted to me. I think that may be a source of some of the friction between her and Peggy. Since Peggy is the only one who doesn't fall a victim to her "spell casting".

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99. "I'm still trying to figure Joan out"
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I mean she's obviously used to being desired, and not always in a sexual way. So even if this was a first for her, it wasn't really a first, you know?

The Peggy drama is interesting and kind of hints that Joan can be very capable of some triflin' shit when she wants to be.

But overall I think she's more or less a good natured character who is going to get more and more interesting in the coming episodes.

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100. "RE: I'm still trying to figure Joan out"
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>The Peggy drama is interesting and kind of hints that Joan can
>be very capable of some triflin' shit when she wants to be.


Is Peggy knocked up?

  

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101. "I was thinking so"
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The way they were talking about her weight gain...which I think became noticeable an ep or two before any of the characters even brought it up. So they're planting seeds for something. Could be a red herring though...Boy, can't wait to see Pete's reaction to THAT one!

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103. "RE: I'm still trying to figure Joan out"
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>Is Peggy knocked up?

I didn't even think about that angle.
I'm not sure how Pete would react, someone could die!

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107. "I would LOVE to see that elevator/shotgun scene come back"
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97. "RE: How else could she have handled it though?"
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>
>There was definitely some pre-Sexual Revolution repression
>tossed in there, but come on. Your same sex roommate whom you
>are not attracted to in that way just confesses they've been
>stalking you since freshman orientation and they long to be
>close to you © the carpenters, how would you react? Joan's
>brushing off did sort of belittle the situation, but at the
>same time I can see it as an act of kindness. Basically she
>denied her roommate with the same semi-respect and catty
>warmth that she would deny anyone's advances, so in that sense
>I thought it was a pretty enlightened move especially for the
>time it took place.

I would imagine not blaming his confession on him being "tired." That's ridiculous. Her tone seemed more dimissive than playful.



>Maybe ignorant but not exactly inexperienced. I mean she
>didn't seem the least bit shocked by it. You think she already
>suspected? Maybe this happens with all her roommates?

I didn't think she suspected at all, which might be why she reacted the way she did.

>>But, compare that to Salvatore's situation.
>
>Salvatore's situation has nothing in common with this one with
>the exception of the characters both struggling with their
>sexual identities.

This is what I was referring to.


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98. "she was giving her friend an easy out"
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(Who was female, by the way.)

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104. "I guess I'm as tired as Joan claimed the woman was."
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We'll just agree to disagree on the way she handled it.

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106. "No, let's disagree to agree!"
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96. "RE: Another great episode"
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That whole scene was crazy, especially when Don starts slapping him so he'll stop saying the other woman's name. "Mona, your wife's name is Mona". I don't know why, but that little part tripped me out.

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91. "RE: Don's relationship with Betty"
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>I was very happy when Don finally hooked up with Rachel. i
>love their chemistry. i dont see any chemistry b/w Don and
>January Jones. maybe thats what the writers want though.

it seems like Don is something of a continuation of Tony Soprano in that way... both Tony and Don are strong men married to beautiful blondes whom they *do* love, but mostly because they are traditional women and ideal mothers (something neither man had when growing up). but for emotional, mental and even physical stimulation, they are forever drawn to dark, mysterious, independent women (Gloria, Melfi, Valentinia and Julianna for Tony; Midge and Rachel for Don)

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93. "Very well said."
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>it seems like Don is something of a continuation of Tony
>Soprano in that way... both Tony and Don are strong men
>married to beautiful blondes whom they *do* love, but mostly
>because they are traditional women and ideal mothers
>(something neither man had when growing up). but for
>emotional, mental and even physical stimulation, they are
>forever drawn to dark, mysterious, independent women (Gloria,
>Melfi, Valentinia and Julianna for Tony; Midge and Rachel for
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102. "oh and that Kennedy ad was great"
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As were the Volkswagon nods several eps back.

I'm really digging the whole ad aspect of the show. I wouldn't be mad if entire episodes took place in a sales pitch

This was such an interesting time for that industry and as we're already starting to see, times were changing and leaving guys like Sterling & Cooper behind

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105. "The Apartment references were fun."
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Not only Roger Sterling attempting to quell Joan's feeling of angst after seeing the Wilder classic, but the way Joan herself becomes an elevator girl at the end w/ Cooper.

I mean, the whole entire show owes a debt to C. C. Baxter and 'em, but these more obvious moments were great too.

And was there a Lost Weekend / Long Weekend connection too?

In the original novel, apparently, the lead character'ss downward spiral comes after rumors of some homosexual happenings with an old college friend. (Foreshadowing . . . ?)

  

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108. "Indian Summer"
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109. "Good Episode"
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Pete's assistant's response was great. "I'm going to sit here and just watch the door, because that's all I have to do." Nobody respect him.

Is it me or is Peggy getting fat? Like preggers fat.
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110. "RE: Good Episode"
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Word -- is peggy pregnant!?!

That would suck since she just got a promotion!

(not that children are bad, but it's 1960!)

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111. "well, yeah... she was obviously in a fat suit"
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and her weight gain has been mentioned a few times over the past 3 eps or so, even becoming something of a major plot point.

we'll see what's up with that, though... and what Pete makes of the package he stole from Don's old office.

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113. "I smell blackmail a brewin'."
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>we'll see what's up with that, though... and what Pete makes
>of the package he stole from Don's old office.


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112. "I don't think she's pregnant."
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They made a point of having her roommate complaining about Peggy eating up their food really fast, plus she keeps a bottle of chianti by her bed.

Also, in the first episode, they showed her at the doctor getting a rx for BCP's. Not that they're 100% effective, of course, but it makes it less likely that she got pregnant from her spontaneous tryst with Campbell.


>Is it me or is Peggy getting fat? Like preggers fat.


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114. "If she's not..."
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I wonder how long she'll have a job. She's obviously got talent in the field, but it'll be interesting to if Sterling Cooper (probably will be Don's decision, though) chooses her skills over her appearance.

  

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121. "skills"
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if she keeps up her job as his backup
he'll keep her
(i think he almost prefers her this way, kinda low profile)
but so far she keeps dropping the ball when it comes to that other dude
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116. "see the weight is looking less and less like pregnancy weight to me"
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Now, the pregnancy thing would be an interesting route, but at the same time it is a little trite and soap opera-ish.

I think it might make for more interesting storytelling just for it to be fat. Why she's putting on weight and how it will affect her life.

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118. "I just noticed it..."
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She has had the ugly duckling thing going on for a while, but the weight was drastic.

Fave part was how the guys weren't out of their way to not be pigs in front of her. Even explaining the jokes to her like she's one of the boys. The sort of thing they would never do around joan.
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119. "Yeah, the weight kinda works to her advantage."
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Now that she's not at all attractive to any of them (except maybe Peter), they're actually listening to what she has to say instead of ogling her.

>She has had the ugly duckling thing going on for a while, but
>the weight was drastic.
>
>Fave part was how the guys weren't out of their way to not be
>pigs in front of her. Even explaining the jokes to her like
>she's one of the boys. The sort of thing they would never do
>around joan.

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132. "Preggy Peggy...watch!"
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120. "RE: I just noticed it..."
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Yeah, I noticed the way they acted in front of Peggy. It was a good episode. Peggy is my a very interesting character. I am curious to see how her arc plays out.

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115. "You people are unfocused."
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Joan is the real storyline here.

That woman is hotness personified. I think there is some objectification in this post of mine, but I think it's okay since the male characters in the series do it, too. Yes, I'll go with that. That, as well as sweet thoughts of Joan, will help me sleep tonight.

Seriously, though, what is Pete's problem?! This guy has been trying too hard from the very beginning, and he is failing at every single thing he tries. He has the never-say-die attitude of a winner, but he keeps losing. LOL!

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117. "RE: You people are unfocused."
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>oh, and that washing machine seen was too, too funny.

When I heard the washing machine I was thinking, "Please don't lean on the machine and try and get off"

She wasn't trying, but that's exactly what happened.

  

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123. "Nixon vs. Kennedy"
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124. "Nixon vs Kennedy"
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"Mr. Campbell, who cares?"

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146. "The Wheel"
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160. "RE: Nixon vs Kennedy"
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Yeah, the resonse was awesome. Pete is a total jerk. I kept wanting Draper to punch him out.

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125. "MOTHERFUCKER that was a great episode."
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126. "2nd best of the season"
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I still think 5G was the best episode, but damn this was great.

I loved how Draper broke down for a minute with Menken and she verbally slapped some sense in to him and he quickly manned the fuck up.

Pete has shown himself to be a complete idiot, again and again. That move, though, was the best move for him.

I was a bit surprised by Cooper's reaction, but they've set it up all season by showing how off center Cooper is.

I wonder how long Draper keeps Pete around now that he has Cooper's blessing to get rid of him.

  

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127. "i wasn't at all surprised by Cooper's reaction"
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it's exactly what i expected him to say, as much as he talks about Ayn Rand.

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128. "RE: i wasn't at all surprised by Cooper's reaction"
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>it's exactly what i expected him to say, as much as he talks
>about Ayn Rand.

No doubt, but I began to worry a bit when I noticed Draper worry a bit.

  

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129. "Co-sign"
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I was more suprised with draper's mannerisms.

Cooper begged him to stay around the week before and earlier wrote him a blank check. Best thing he ever said about pete was his people had money and he wanted to not piss them off.


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151. "me either but Draper looked like he had no idea what was coming"
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I think he almost pee'd himself again

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130. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
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>I wonder how long Draper keeps Pete around now that he has
>Cooper's blessing to get rid of him.


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135. "RE: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer."
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Those are the exact words that went through my head when the permission was given.

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152. "Draper's entire steez just flip flops for that chick"
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You can see it in his facial expressions and hear it in his voice... Give this guy an emmy, he's acting his ass off.

I'm wondering how long this little fling will last. I mean she was initally attracted to the "character" of Don Draper in the pitch room, I don't think she necessarily signed up for 'Dick Whitman, Emo Whore Child'

Kinda makes me want to know more details about Draper and the art chick from earlier this season... You think she had to play mommy/therapist for him too? Or maybe she still does?

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133. "^^^ yessir"
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fantastic episode.

hows is this show being received by critics and viewers. i know its on amc so wont get a huge rating. but is it doing ok?

  

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134. "The critics are loving it, the ratings are so-so"
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137. "What is it up against?"
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I know ER on NBC.

ABC? CBS? AMC @ 10 isn't primetime.

Not to mention it's a show best appreciated w/o commercials. I've watched only the last two eps at the scheduled times and cutting to commerical break is annoying as hell.


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138. "I usually watch the 2nd airing"
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the 1st airing is up against IASIP, which I watch also.

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143. "can i say how much i love this show???"
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i feel bad that i wait to watch in on demand
but it's a ritual for me

anyhoo
that all bein said:
don
his flight instinct is unreal
i truly believe he'd pick up & leave & not look back
he's been tryin to leave for a minute

& have u noticed this paramours are all dark-haired
as opposed to his fair-haired lady-in-waitin @ home???
i don't think that's incidental

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145. "Check post #91. :-)"
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>& have u noticed this paramours are all dark-haired
>as opposed to his fair-haired lady-in-waitin @ home???
>i don't think that's incidental


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161. "aaaah!!!"
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148. "So what did you think was going through Joan's mind"
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After the kiss with Salvatore?

Was she turned on?

Was she thinking, "this bamma's gay."

Was she STARTING to think he was gay?

*shrugs*

  

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149. "for Joan it probably sealed the deal"
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On a suspicion she may have had for a while.

She just strikes me as the one character in that office who would pick up on that kind of thing before anyone else.

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154. "Yup."
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It probably felt like kissing her brother.

>On a suspicion she may have had for a while.
>
>She just strikes me as the one character in that office who
>would pick up on that kind of thing before anyone else.


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157. "I think she knew already..."
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>After the kiss with Salvatore?
>
>Was she turned on?
>
>Was she thinking, "this bamma's gay."
>
>Was she STARTING to think he was gay?

The fascinating thing about joan is she knows everything that's going in the office. Nothing is going on in sterling cooper that she's unaware of.
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131. "I hope Sterling comes back eventually."
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I miss him.

Oh, and that water jug full of creme de menthe was crazy. lol

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136. "That was a great visual"
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153. "damn there is going to be so much tension if/when he returns"
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I'll just be waiting for him to keel over at any given moment

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139. "the flashback scenes"
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In the hospital scene,I thought for a sec that Draper took the identity by mistake. But wow was I mistaken. cold-blooded.

I wish Peggy or somebody slaps the shit out of Peter. dude is a certified asshole. It was nice to see him get pwned.
dude can't even get respect from his secretary.

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140. "I would like to know..."
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...exactly what was going through Don-, err, Dick's mind when he decided to do that.

I don't think Don knows his brother killed himself, right? I didn't see a suicide note in that box. For all Don knows, he mailed it before leaving town.

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141. "would he give a shit"
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about his brother, if he knew?

Draper doesn't seem to have real empathy for anyone.

He's all about self-preservation and appearances.

He lives his life doing what he's "supposed" to do: serve your country, achieve at work, raise and support a family, have a chick or two on the side, drink, etc.

  

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142. "I think he'd feel a momentary twinge of guilt."
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Then he'd put it out of his mind, figuring it was for the best.

>about his brother, if he knew?

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144. "to him his brother was already dead..."
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u're right
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150. "it was crazy how quickly he thought to pull the ol' switcheroo"
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I mean we've seen that dude is quick on his feet but damn, that was some inspired assholery right there.

But hey, it's not like the other guy was gonna be needing his identity anymore.

But that scene with lil bro chasing the train? I think I had something in my eye just then.

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155. "RE: it was crazy how quickly he thought to pull the ol' switcheroo"
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>I mean we've seen that dude is quick on his feet but damn,
>that was some inspired assholery right there.

I know. I wonder if that's the mark of a sociopath, that he would think of doing such a thing so quickly.


>But that scene with lil bro chasing the train? I think I had
>something in my eye just then.

That was heartbreaking. To me, that was more cold-blooded than stealing his lieutenant's identity.


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156. "here's a great reading of 'Nixon vs. Kennedy'"
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http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2007/10/mad-men-fridays-season-one-episode_15.html

it draws attention to a lot of subtext i had missed re: the title of the episode and the realtionship between Don and Pete

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158. "dope"
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I hadn't picked up on that either.

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159. "Although I'd argue that there's still lots of mystery left to Draper"
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This last episode dished out a lot more information than I was expecting, but it raised a few questions as well. Mainly, where did Don Draper come from? I mean we know where the name originates, sure... but what about the character? We'd assumed prior to this episode that he picked up his swagger in the military... But here we see his military career (which seemed to last all of 10 minutes), and dude is still a pants-peeing bama type. So the transformation must have happened in the city, likely from observing other ad men, possibly even Sterling himself. It will be interesting to flashback to the days when he was just starting out at SC.

You would think that a guy so adept at fraud would just come up with a fake backstory rather than just refuse to talk about his past to anyone.

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162. "Good question."
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I mean we know where the name
>originates, sure... but what about the character? We'd assumed
>prior to this episode that he picked up his swagger in the
>military... But here we see his military career (which seemed
>to last all of 10 minutes), and dude is still a pants-peeing
>bama type. So the transformation must have happened in the
>city, likely from observing other ad men, possibly even
>Sterling himself.

Maybe in college? Did one need a college degree to get into advertising back then? I can't remember whether college has been mentioned.

It will be interesting to flashback to the
>days when he was just starting out at SC.

That would be great.

>
>You would think that a guy so adept at fraud would just come
>up with a fake backstory rather than just refuse to talk about
>his past to anyone.

I know. I think I may have said this in an earlier post, but I can't believe Betty would marry someone she knew so little about. I mean, all he's told her is he was an orphan, right?


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163. "Just pete..."
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> I mean we know where the name
>>originates, sure... but what about the character? We'd
>assumed
>>prior to this episode that he picked up his swagger in the
>>military... But here we see his military career (which
>seemed
>>to last all of 10 minutes), and dude is still a pants-peeing
>>bama type. So the transformation must have happened in the
>>city, likely from observing other ad men, possibly even
>>Sterling himself.
>
>Maybe in college? Did one need a college degree to get into
>advertising back then? I can't remember whether college has
>been mentioned.


Pete is elistist college boy with all the connections. Don is the self-made man who worked his way up. Considering the show is set in the '60's...don's way is more respected.

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164. "yeah the younger guys have made college/frat references"
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And I imagine some of the older guys could have gone to college, if they'd happened to have been priveleged growing up.

What was the "real" Draper planning on doing once he got out of the military? Did he say?

I just can't picture Don being the product of a college background. Unless he attended night classes at Hard Knocks University or something. He just seems to have a sort of loner quality and a disdain for anything the least bit uppity. But it would be interesting if he had picked up said disdain while pursuing higher education.

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165. "RE: Although I'd argue that there's still lots of mystery left to Draper"
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So the transformation must have happened in the
>city, likely from observing other ad men, possibly even
>Sterling himself.

I think Draper is in danger of becoming a clone of Sterling if he's not careful.

  

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166. "i LOVE this show...but the reason for the explosion was silly lol"
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it was almost bad comedy.
although im pretty sure that was what it meant to be, to show us Don/Dick was a bumbling idiot back then. so much so he caused a huge explosion and killed an officer, all stemming from that fact that the real Don Draper pointed out that Dick had peed himself.

still....twas rather silly lol.

i love this show anywayz. best thing out atm.

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167. "RE: i LOVE this show...but the reason for the explosion was silly lol"
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>it was almost bad comedy.
>although im pretty sure that was what it meant to be, to show
>us Don/Dick was a bumbling idiot back then. so much so he
>caused a huge explosion and killed an officer, all stemming
>from that fact that the real Don Draper pointed out that Dick
>had peed himself.
>
>still....twas rather silly lol.
>
>i love this show anywayz. best thing out atm.
>
>V.

It seemed over the top because it's a different visual for the show, but I don't think it was silly.

Draper was shocked and embarrassed he'd pissed himself, but who wouldn't be after being bombed without any artillery to retaliate? He dropped and open flame on gasoline. An explosion was supposed to happen. I don't think it makes him an bumbling idiot.

I took it as a ironic example of how smoking kills.

  

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168. "lol@pete"
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169. "okay... i'm confused about a few things now."
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170. "Peggy...whuh?"
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How did she go from looking a little to dropping a newborn. My wife just had a baby so I'm pretty well-versed in this now and that was poorly done. And how much time had past? A few weeks? Was hard to tell.

That was the finale, yes?

Good to hear it'll be back in '08.

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173. "RE: Peggy...whuh?"
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>How did she go from looking a little to dropping a newborn.
>My wife just had a baby so I'm pretty well-versed in this now
>and that was poorly done. And how much time had past? A few
>weeks? Was hard to tell.
>
>That was the finale, yes?
>
>Good to hear it'll be back in '08.

The pilot was set in the spring I believe. So, its possible.

  

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182. "RE: Peggy...whuh?"
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I agree. How do you not know you're pregnant? Wouldn't she notice that her "monthly visitor" didn't come? That was weird.

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183. "Yeah, I had issues with that too, but consider the history."
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This was the early 60's, and she'd just gone on the Pill, which had been FDA-approved very recently. You could chalk up Peggy's ignorance about her missed periods (despite being quite intelligent) to lack of education about how the pill works. Also, she hadn't been on the pill long enough to be effective. Didn't she and Pete have sex the same day or the day after she saw the doctor? You're supposed to use a back-up method for at least a week after starting the pill. I'm guessing drunk-off-his-ass Pete didn't think to bring a condom. lol


Even if it hadn't occurred to Peggy, you'd think Joan, with all her intuition, would've said something.


>I agree. How do you not know you're pregnant? Wouldn't she
>notice that her "monthly visitor" didn't come? That was
>weird.


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205. "i had questions about this.....your explanation, though, makes sense."
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>This was the early 60's, and she'd just gone on the Pill,
>which had been FDA-approved very recently. You could chalk up
>Peggy's ignorance about her missed periods (despite being
>quite intelligent) to lack of education about how the pill
>works. Also, she hadn't been on the pill long enough to be
>effective. Didn't she and Pete have sex the same day or the
>day after she saw the doctor? You're supposed to use a back-up
>method for at least a week after starting the pill. I'm
>guessing drunk-off-his-ass Pete didn't think to bring a
>condom. lol
>
>
>Even if it hadn't occurred to Peggy, you'd think Joan, with
>all her intuition, would've said something.
>


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And Crane balling and leaving the room was classic.

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174. "Matthew Weiner touches on some things in the finale (swipe)"
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SPOILERS, obviously, and this also includes some commentary from show blogger Margaret Wapler


From the L.A. Times:

>'Mad Men': Honestly Madison Avenue

So we’ve reached the end of the line, the last stop on the 5:15 that dumps all us lumpen souls off in the blank suburbia of Other TV. Back to your regular programming, folks, the siren call of Manhattan business life in 1960 is silent for now. The good news: “Mad Men"'s season finale was a triumph for tonally sophisticated TV and it’ll be back before you know it.

Alright, got your dirty martini in hand? Let’s dive in… this week, we get extra insight from creator Matt Weiner, who chatted with me in great detail about the last show. Weiner is unpretentious and open, yet respectful of his muse. Sometimes he’ll pontificate on a character’s motives, other times he’ll simply repeat the mantra, “It’s in the show.”

“Mad Men” knows there’s no bigger ache than self-imposed loneliness, especially when it’s the consequences of a poor decision. Remember Harry’s frightened and teary eyes as he asked his wife to let him come back home? Marriage is full of these pratfalls, even for the ordinary and moral. “Harry’s seen as a nice guy,” Weiner said. “And his marriage is a happy one but that doesn’t mean he’s immune to temptation. These men got married so young.”

Which might be why Pete is bucking the in-law’s pressure to “tend his garden.” Little do they know he already has –- wrong garden but more on that later.

The first moment in which this finale really started to cook was with Francine, Betty’s perfectly nonplussed gossip of a neighbor. Suddenly, she was a wreck in her coat and messy hair. Turns out she called one of her husband’s mistresses. The scene’s most potent line is when Francine fantasizes about poisoning everyone –- Carlton, his parents and hers, and worst of all, her children.

Infanticide is powerful and with Francine’s admission and Peggy’s denial of her child, “Mad Men” once again touched on an issue that, like sexism, we all want to sweep under the rug. “It’s a big taboo but it’s very real,” Weiner said. “I have four children. I’ve not tried to kill any of them but I do understand. In the end, these people are just talking but it’s an honesty that comes from the character.”

Weiner is big on honesty with his characters, but on their own terms. When I asked him why Don is attracted to Rachel, he said they have a lot in common –- intelligence, an outsider’s point of view and honesty. “I know it’s weird to think of Don that way, but he is honest.”

And then there’s the honesty of Weiner himself. Regarding his male characters’ dismissive treatment of women, he insists it’s true to the period and will continue to document without glamorizing or glorifying it.

“Everyone is part of a group and everyone assumes that the other group is not equal to them. It’s horrible that people are prejudiced… but it’s real. Do I have those feelings? Are they easy to access?… Yeah, I have prejudices. Do I think women are stupider than me? No… I write the women characters also.”

By the way, there’s nothing too juicy I left out in those ellipses. Just a few false starts.

For Betty, honesty has been a thorny issue and denial a bedrock of her existence. Though Don is the one having all the affairs, is Betty also at fault for not saying what she wants? Maybe she is less fundamentally honest than Don but the consequences, it’s safe to say, would be much more dire for her. Demand your husband stop seeing other women and you could end up like Carmela Soprano, impotent and shrieking. Or alone, an untenable life in suburban 1960, or so Betty thinks.

Weiner has a funny sense of romance. “I use certain words differently,” he said. “Romance is one of them.” For Weiner, the scene where Glenn asks for a lock of Betty’s hair is one of the season’s most pure and touching moments. So when Betty runs into Glenn in the bank parking lot, it’s a reunion between two kindred spirits. “Betty knows that Glenn unconditionally loves her. It’s only creepy if you think kids have no sexuality.”

I saw a little David Lynch there, or the hyper-realism of “Six Feet Under.” There was something about the pop of the baby blue sky, the asphalt tinged with snow, the utterly serene, undisturbed nature of the parking lot that hinted at something surreal. Either way, it was mesmerizing –- Glenn’s puffy mittened hand, his wonderful line about not knowing exactly how long 20 minutes is. I have a feeling that won’t be the last we see of Glenn.

For maybe the first time this season, we got to hear Betty verbalize what she really thinks. Dressed in a smart woolen suit straight out of “Vertigo,” Betty lies on the psychiatrist’s couch, and tells him she knows Don is unfaithful to her and that he doesn’t know the meaning of family. The kicker: “The way he makes love -- sometimes it’s what I want, but sometimes it’s obviously what someone else wants.” Ouch, but yay. Betty took advantage of this new, protected communication line to her husband.

As for Don, we saw him in a different light. Fallible, vulnerable, tossing on his couch in the fetal position like a feverish toddler. “I didn’t want to soften him up or redeem him, there’s no need for that… he’s a real person with feelings. He makes mistakes and has regrets,” Weiner said. Typically, I’m smothering a giggle when Don gets on one of his “advertising as art” kicks but his Kodak Carousel presentation was a lovely synthesis of the show’s themes –- nostalgia, the nature of truth and Don’s own pained, only partially realized relationship to his past.

And then there was the cold winds of that house. But before that, the fantasy of Don joining the family at the last minute for Thanksgiving. The fantasy was unattributed –- we didn’t see Don lapse into this vision, no tight-focus on his face, which is the typical TV way. It’s almost as if it was a fantasy of every character on the show, to be truly joined with their loved ones, even when it’s impossible because you’re married to someone else, or don’t know how to express the desire. Don sitting alone on those stairs, with “Don’t Think Twice,” Bob Dylan’s stoic ode to moving on down the line, was a fittingly quiet end.

Last but not least, shocker pregnancy! “Ms. Olsen, you are now a junior copywriter,” Draper said to Peggy. But wait! Peggy’s now a mother too? Did anyone see this coming? I’m happy that the horrible prosthetic chin we had to suffer through most of the season actually had a purpose. Weiner, of course, smiles at the dupe. “I think we’re all powerful in some ways, and totally powerless in others.”

Does denying a pregnancy, even while you’re having labor pains, qualify you as crazy? “I don’t think it is crazy. I think it’s part of the period. For her to absorb it would mean her entire life is over. What is she going to do?” Naturally, Weiner wouldn’t answer his own question. Or anything else about next season, for that matter. We’ll just have to wait.
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175. "Good read. I like that Weiner lets us in to his mind more..."
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than his old boss, D. Chase, did.

  

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176. "i love dvr"
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great fuckin show
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180. "agreed"
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177. "my favorite 3 scenes in the finale"
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that last scene was just right.


Either way, it was mesmerizing –- Glenn’s puffy
>mittened hand, his wonderful line about not knowing exactly
>how long 20 minutes is. I have a feeling that won’t be the
>last we see of Glenn.


>Typically, I’m smothering a giggle when Don gets on one of his
>“advertising as art” kicks but his Kodak Carousel presentation
>was a lovely synthesis of the show’s themes –- nostalgia, the
>nature of truth and Don’s own pained, only partially realized
>relationship to his past.
>
>And then there was the cold winds of that house. But before
>that, the fantasy of Don joining the family at the last minute
>for Thanksgiving. The fantasy was unattributed –- we didn’t
>see Don lapse into this vision, no tight-focus on his face,
>which is the typical TV way. It’s almost as if it was a
>fantasy of every character on the show, to be truly joined
>with their loved ones, even when it’s impossible because
>you’re married to someone else, or don’t know how to express
>the desire. Don sitting alone on those stairs, with “Don’t
>Think Twice,” Bob Dylan’s stoic ode to moving on down the
>line, was a fittingly quiet end.

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178. "ill say it again: I LOVE THIS FUCKING SHOW"
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so glad its coming back.

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181. "I got into this show slowly"
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and it took a while to convince me, but i'm glad i stuck with it. The finale was amazing, i had to watch it twice. Another favourite, can't wait for next season.

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184. "RE: Mad Men"
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Word on the street is they are airing season 1 starting with episode 1 tonight

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185. "It's never too early for SEASON 2 PREDICTIONS!"
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Keeping the whole Nixon vs. Kennedy theme in mind, is Don Draper doomed? Will Pete actually win?

What will become of Roger?

And Peggy's baby?

What happened to artsy girlfriend Midge?

Will Betty leave Don? For young Glenn, perhaps?

And when we gonna get than Ayn Rand cameo?

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186. "Season 1 DVD 7/1/08"
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http://shop.amctv.com/product/show/34681

  

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187. "that zippo dvd case is too cool for school"
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id pick it up for the packaging alone lol.

when does season 2 pick up?

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188. "yep and re-reading this post has me feenin' for Season 1 all over again"
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189. "ABOUT GODDAMN TIME"
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it's still helluva long time to wait... i've been feening for this DVD the past month and a half

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191. "it's a fuckin zippo case! lol."
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WE.WANT.SEASON.TWO!

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192. "season 2 to start on july 27."
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Additional secrets of ad exec Don Draper are about to be revealed.

The first episode of season two of AMC hit "Mad Men" will premiere 10 p.m. July 27. Golden Globe-winning drama will air in that timeslot on Sunday nights for all 13 episodes of the new season.

Jon Hamm won a Globe for lead actor in a drama, while the show's scribes took home the Writers Guild Award for best new show.

To help viewers catch up, AMC will air a "Mad Men" marathon of the entire first season on July 20. Skein is produced by Lionsgate and exec produced by Matthew Weiner.

  

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194. "Mad Men to run 5 years -- Matthew Weiner"
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Source: HollywoodReporter.com

TCA -- "Mad Men" showrunner Matthew Weiner is known for close attention to detail on his acclaimed AMC series and it turns out he has an equally specific plan for the future of the show: Weiner intends for "Mad Men" to include five seasons, spanning 10 years, with time jumps between each season.

Weiner hinted at the plan at the TCA panel for "Mad Men" Wednesday morning. The writer-producer was asked why he decided to leap the show's upcoming second season 14 months forward rather than sticking to the usual pacing (in which each episode chronicles about a month).

"In the life of the series, if it continues, I would like to cover this period of people's lives -- and that's a five year plan and not a ten-year plan," the Emmy winner said.

This afternoon, an AMC spokesperson clarified the quote after consulting with Weiner: "What he meant was that he wants to leap forward between seasons, not just pick up where the last season leaves off. So he wants to cover a period of ten years in these character's lives, in five seasons."

If Weiner and AMC follow through, it means the "Mad Men" storyline -- which started in 1960 -- will conclude in 1969. And the series -- which launched in 2007 -- will conclude in 2011.

The declaration puts "Mad Men" in the exclusive pantheon of serialized dramas such as "Lost" and "Battlestar Galactica" that have made a point of announcing a specific end date for the show. Weiner's plan is, if anything, even more ambitious by setting a story timeline for his characters as well. Of course, a show's popularity (or lack thereof) often change such strategies.

"The other thing," Weiner added, about the benefits of a time leap, "I can start the story fresh, and at the same time there will be all these events that happened in between that will provide additional storytelling energy."

Pressed for more details about what's to come, Weiner said, "Trust me. I will give you the information you need as you need it in the most entertaining fashion."

  

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195. "Matthew Weiner... I hope he sticks to it..."
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I wasn't that impressed by Weiner's Sopranos work, but I love Mad Men.

10 years is a long time. I wonder how many characters will fade out and how many new ones will arrive.

  

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196. "my hype levels for this series just reached critical mass. in my pants."
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Like... do you have any idea how much shit can happen in a decade? Especially if that decade happens to be the 1960s?

You could see them planting the seeds for this type of thing all throughout season one but I had no idea they were gonna get this ambitious with it.

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and without going overboard with praise I think this is one of the best tv shows I've ever seen. Maybe THE best. One season certainly isn't enough to top The Sopranos or The West Wing but the overall quality of writing, acting, direction and production design/detail sets this show clearly apart from ordinary television. It reminds me in some ways of Twin Peaks only in how clear its vision is and its perfect management of a large ensemble cast with a main character as an anchor. And what a main character... Other than Tony Soprano, Don Draper may be the most perfect character to revolve a show around that I can remember. To be honest there is very little I could criticize about this show. Peggy's pregnancy was the season's one real faux paus but other than that everything else has been well played with pitch perfect timing. That's when you really know you're dealing with talented writers - when you see the timing delays used to such masterful effect. I'm just really, really impressed with this and can't wait for Season 2 even tho I'll have to wait alot longer since I don't have cable. I wonder if they'll put eps on-line?

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199. "That's the first thing I thought of when I read '14 months later.'"
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Peggy's pregnancy was the
>season's one real faux paus

I'm dying to know what happens with Peggy and the baby. I wonder if she put it up for adoption.


> I wonder if they'll put eps on-line?

You should have no problem finding episodes online.

  

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200. "yo whadda fuck??? this thread is like a year old..."
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but
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what???
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202. "are they gonna re-run season 1?"
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Im just hearing of this show and would love to catch up.

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203. "I know that it's currently On Demand, and season 1 is on DVD"
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And I think I caught a list of consecutive-airing episodes on my TiVo for this coming Sunday, July 20 on AMC

They may be running a Season 1 marathon...
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204. "Internets. n/m"
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