yeah, I know some people are going to give me the "Duh". but I just think that a lot of people really arent getting their due. Yeah, I dont know the full story of who turned down what role and why so and so is taking such silly roles, but I dont understand why Don Cheadle isnt in a major film as the lead. I don't understand why Morris Chesnut, after all these years, is still just the fifth name in a mixed race movie. Why hasnt hallie had anything credible since her OScar? Why does it seem that Will and Denzel are the only actors getting major roles? Am I right, or am I missing something?

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Morris Chestnut is ass.

s'all i gotta say.

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Everyone knows that Don can act. But it's harder to sell him as the star.

That's bullshit but it's Hollywood. In the end, the execs see their business as a business and go with who they think can sell the movie. That's also why you don't see "black movies" of "substance" being made. The crowd that really goes to a lot of movies, mostly teenagers, will go see a Barbershop or a Stomp the Yard before they sit down for an Antwone Fisher.

Some of the execs probably mean no offense but when it comes down to black actors and black movies but...they'll almost always go with the Barbershops and Stomp the Yards. And they'll usually take Will and Denzel over Don.

But back to the actors, I wish Don could get more starring roles. I liked Hotel Rwanda and I'd pay to see a movie starring him. But not everyone feels the same way. And Halle? I have no clue why she's not in quite as many roles.

But Will and Denzel can sell a movie. They can almost guarantee it. Will's movies consistently gross well and Denzel probably has the most dedicated fan base over any black actor working.

It's pretty much a well known fact that if you have a big budget movie with a black lead, you need to get Denzel or Will or it ain't happening. Hollywood caters to the people and since the people don't seem to be exactly opening up that much, neither will Hollywood.

However, Morris Chestnut hasn't really done much to merit high billing. What film are you talking about? Ladder 49? He should be happy he wasn't 8th billing behind Balthazar Getty and Jay Hernandez on that. In that case, it's just an actor who hasn't done much (now why he hasn't been able to do much could be blamed on race but he is barely good enough to merit his own slate before a movie nowadays).

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Cuz execs will give black actors top billing...if they can open a movie.

It's the audiences, not Hollywood execs, that determine who gets top billing status.

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the 50s/60s. sidney poitier was one of the top grossing stars of the 60s. that DOES NOT mean that Hollywood (and those particular films for that matter) lack any significant or insignificant racism or patronage of black people. and if that wasnt ur point then my bad. but it sure seems like it.

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audiences determine who gets top billin. its all about who's bringin in the most revenue and im pointing out that 4/5 top films right now feature black actors with prominent roles.

you cant compare this shit to the 50s/60s because the social climate was VERY different than that it is today.

Im not saying racism doesnt exist in hollywood, but its a gradual process and there are clearly signs that it has been lessening over the years.

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actually, for the social changes that have been made in society since the 60s, Hollywood is far behind in its handling of any racial matters.

just because will smith can pull in 100 million in the cinemas really doesnt change the fact that most studios and producers hold black audiences in contempt. they're there to be exploited, flattered, tricked, romanced, and indulged even, but NEVER RESPECTED.

i dont want to see anymore silly films with rappers in them. they're not actors (with a few exceptions of course e.i. mos def and cube are talented in this field). we as blacks are not limited to only recognizing cool rap stars as worthy of a ticket.

that shit is patronizing. put some money into a fucking script or one of the many brilliant screen treatments that float around and eventually have to be scaled down and given to an endependent company who have to dim it's vision just to get it made. all because Hollywood thinks every balck person needs guns and a hip hop soundtrack to enjoy a movie.

it's nonsense.

and yeah i went slightly off topic there but it's all relevant.

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>just because will smith can pull in 100 million in the cinemas
>really doesnt change the fact that most studios and producers
>hold black audiences in contempt. they're there to be
>exploited, flattered, tricked, romanced, and indulged even,
>but NEVER RESPECTED.

you say that as if hollywood doesn't do that to audiences in general. adam sandler, ben stiller, that dude in "elf", the studios don't bankroll them because they "respect their audience." tom cruise or matt damon action flicks get made cuz they rake in dough. the bottom line is the bottom line for them.

i mean, i agree that black films still have a harder time being made, but that's because the same gatekeepers are in charge that were there in the 60's and 70's. as the guard is changing, opportunities are opening up. and black folks are also making their own.

its more appearance and sining than her acting talent. and look at who is in that movie. Jamie foxx in a nother supproting role. he hanst had too many real lead role since his Oscar two yrs ago.(Miami Vice and maybe Jarhead) and there are other actors in it who are black, but a lot of it is that they know how to sing.

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at least not major in the way Denzel and Smith are.

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it's telling that Hollywood only aloows a few blacks "in the house" at a time. and they only approve of a certain KIND of black actor too. u can't be too radical. i mean imagine sean penn as a black actor. he would've been branded angry and been out of work a long ass time ago.

and i like both sean penn AND will smith. i think every actor should be allowed to take on the roles that THEY want. but i'm not fooled into thinking that Hollywood wants to promote positive images of blacks.

denzel won an oscar for portraying a corrupt Los Angeles cop. in a force more than 90% white, and KNOWN for their racist brutality against ethnics, they found a black cop to demonize.

and now it looks like the hugely talented forest whitaker may finally get his just due. but only for playing the black Hitler himself, Amin.

and u wonder.

Hollywood stopped putting money behind positive black films after poitier's career slowed down and blaxploitation came "in".

and with all these hip hop films doing the massa's job for him i dont think they'll be turning around anytime soon.

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then he would still get work.

It really doesn't matter what race, what gender, what religion, or how difficult you are to work with. If the people want to see your movies, and you can open a film at the box office, you will get top billing. There is a very very very limited number of exceptions to this rule.

Granted, most of the actors guaranteed to open a movie in America are white males. But that is a result of the audiences paying for movie tickets, Hollywood execs are simply trying to make a buck based on formulas that work.

And HighVoltage had a great point about the current status at the box office. You should be happy about that. If audiences come to see the movies, there will be more movies with those people.

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Talk about really undercutting your own point.

>I don't understand why Morris Chesnut, after all these years,
>is still just the fifth name in a mixed race movie.

the marvin pic is coming out too.

i knwo it's bad, but halle chose those flicks after her oscar. she wanted more fun roles. she could have taken the dramas, but she wanted to do a horro flick (gothika), start a franchise (catwomen) and she almost bid herself out of x3.

don't blame hollywood for halle making her choices after her oscar.

she was supposed to be producing stress's book-to-movie thing but who know what happened with that.
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to better see hollywood racism, check out
PRIMEVAL, a movie about american reporters
who go to africa to solve a bunch of murders
in the BUSH...

in it, you will see every manner of racial
stereotype, including a african soldier
that tries to 'rape the viriginal white women',
a black guy who 'hates africa' and even says at
one point how glad he was that slavery 'brought
us out of here', the 'heroic white lead guy' the
'backstabbing black turncoat' and much MUCH MORE.

the only african who had any value was the one
who wanted to 'go to america' and of course he
died defending white folks (if i recall correctly)

who plays lead is more determined by DOLLARS
than race, imo.


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>to better see hollywood racism, check out
>PRIMEVAL, a movie about american reporters
>who go to africa to solve a bunch of murders
>in the BUSH...
>
>in it, you will see every manner of racial
>stereotype, including a african soldier
>that tries to 'rape the viriginal white women',
>a black guy who 'hates africa' and even says at
>one point how glad he was that slavery 'brought
>us out of here', the 'heroic white lead guy' the
>'backstabbing black turncoat' and much MUCH MORE.
>
>the only african who had any value was the one
>who wanted to 'go to america' and of course he
>died defending white folks (if i recall correctly)
>
>who plays lead is more determined by DOLLARS
>than race, imo.

Evey now and again I start to thinking things are getting better, then I hear something like this. It's like they saying, "Nigga, you crazy, you know we still hate you, right?"

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..how many roles they accept versus how many scripts they reject

this happens far more often than is considered

also....take into account the offscreen projects
that many actors are involved in......

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u think Meiki's first choice was to be on ER? or Omar's first choice is to be on House? True, they are making checks, AND true they are not Denzel, but look at some of the flicks they were in? Omar made it into a few crossover flicks as "the black dude" (that meg ryan boxer flick for one), but how come he never got that co-headline role in a small drama or whatever? I mean, look at Derek Luke. That dude was well on his way to being "the black guy" for all of these sports films before Catch a fire. and even with that film, we will stil have to see what happens to him.


No white actor comes to TV after a so-so showing in film. They only come to TV after they are pigeon holed or something. U think Taye wanted to be on a UPN drama after being on Broadway and all those movies? I doubt that.

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I'd be willing to bet that if Hollywood opens the door for more producers and directors of color (with their own stories) you will see actors of color in lead roles.

It always comes down to $$$.

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talking about the bad examples of good actors as opposed to recognizing the big picture

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Of course there is racism in Hollywood. Just like there is racism in Cleveland. People are clowning his logic because it undercuts his point. Using Morris Chesnut as an example of the white power structure still holding us down is ridiculous.

Also, it really and truly is usually about money in this town. I don't think the powers that be had any problem with producing Stomp the Yard or Dreamgirls because they thought they would make money.

Meanwhile, Denzel and Spike both just had their best opening weekends ever in 2006.

but thats only one example. Ya'll talk stomp the yard and dreamgirls, but really.....are u really thinking of superb acting when u think Stomp the Yard? and January is Movie DUMp time in the industry. I hope ya'll know that. The studio put their worst films out now. same as previous yrs. Hollywood already gave up on people like Jennifer Garner, which is why her movie is out now. Hollywood will never let Latifah do a serious lead, which is why her romantic comedy came out last yr at this time. look around people.

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>but thats only one example. Ya'll talk stomp the yard and
>dreamgirls, but really.....are u really thinking of superb
>acting when u think Stomp the Yard?

You know who you have to blame for shit like Stomp the Yard? Black people. Because when they make stuff like that, black folks go see it.


>Hollywood will never let Latifah do a
>serious lead, which is why her romantic comedy came out last
>yr at this time. look around people.

Bad example. Hollywood doesn't let a lot of overweight women do serious leads. Besides, when there are Black folks in serious leads...Black people do not go see them.

>You know who you have to blame for shit like Stomp the Yard?
>Black people. Because when they make stuff like that, black
>folks go see it.
>
>
punks like Big Nick can review a movie without even seeing it. He got super powers I guess. Or, maybe his racist ass actually went to see it?

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>punks like Big Nick can review a movie without even seeing it.
>He got super powers I guess. Or, maybe his racist ass actually
>went to see it?

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>punks like Big Nick can review a movie without even seeing it.
>He got super powers I guess.

It's called common fucking sense.

>>punks like Big Nick can review a movie without even seeing
>it.
>>He got super powers I guess.
>
>It's called common fucking sense.

Awww...Little Nicky's gettin upset?

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>but thats only one example. Ya'll talk stomp the yard and
>dreamgirls, but really.....are u really thinking of superb
>acting when u think Stomp the Yard?

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read carefully. I used his name in the original post becasue he has not lead in a recent film NOT because he is superb.

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that means it DOESN't warrant discussion?? or it better to forget the elephant in the room and hope one morninin you'll wake up and it'll either be gone or get smaller??...and i don't think anyone (even the original poster) thinks this is a revelation...

>Of course there is racism in Hollywood. Just like there is
>racism in Cleveland. People are clowning his logic because it
>undercuts his point. Using Morris Chesnut as an example of
>the white power structure still holding us down is ridiculous.
>
again...semantics....so if he'd used Larry Fish this post would be more valid to some?

>
>Also, it really and truly is usually about money in this town.
>I don't think the powers that be had any problem with
>producing Stomp the Yard or Dreamgirls because they thought
>they would make money.
>
oh, don't get me wrong, i agree..it's all about the money if people stopped goin out in droves to see stuff like White Chicks and spent that money going to see Black cinema of better quality (and at this point, i'm not even sure where that IS) the studios would make better pictures...

>Meanwhile, Denzel and Spike both just had their best opening
>weekends ever in 2006.
>
word...i think it just frustrates people to see so many goofy movies starrin people of color while there seem to be a select few who get in on the more serious ones...but that's all about marketability and acting chops...

>

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Especially when it's pretty clear that this person doesn't know much about how the system works.

>>Of course there is racism in Hollywood. Just like there is
>>racism in Cleveland. People are clowning his logic because
>it
>>undercuts his point. Using Morris Chesnut as an example of
>>the white power structure still holding us down is
>ridiculous.
>>
>again...semantics....so if he'd used Larry Fish this post
>would be more valid to some?

No, it wouldn't. Because Fish has had an excellent career playing a wide range of characters. And actually, it isn't semantics. If someone chooses Morris Chesnut as an example of how Hollywood holds black actors back, it suggest that they don't know what they're talking about.

>word...i think it just frustrates people to see so many goofy
>movies starrin people of color while there seem to be a select
>few who get in on the more serious ones...but that's all about
>marketability and acting chops...

When there is a serious movie with people of color in it, guess what happens? Black folks don't go see it. To me, that's the biggest problem facing black folks in Hollywood.

>When there is a serious movie with people of color in it,
>guess what happens? Black folks don't go see it. To me,
>that's the biggest problem facing black folks in Hollywood.
>
This is that stupid self hating racist bullshit. It's so easy to say it's black people's fault. That's the same stupid racist shit the studio execs try to say.

Where are you getting these ASS-umptions that Black people won't see a "serious" movie with black people in it? Is that some shit you made up?

Only greenlight a movie with black people in it if it's "non-serious"??

Are you saying black people won't watch a serious movie?

Wow, not only can you review a movie without watching it, but you KNOW exactly what all black people do and will watch. WOW. You're fucking amazing.

And I guess all of Denzel's movies have been non-serious, huh? All of Will Smith's movies have been "non serious"?? Oh....wait...only white people goes to see Denzel's movies, right?? Because black people won't see a serious movie with "people of color" in it, right??

You are a fucking idiot.

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You better tell it to Spike...

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Lee—Just the fickleness of the African American movie-going audience….I have nothing against entertainment but there are different kinds of entertainment. We're still in that buffoonery thing. I'm not against those types of films but we have to have more than that. It's not about the budget, it's the vision and calling Martin Luther King a ho and saying all Rosa Parks did was sit her fat, black ass down is not visionary. But this year, when the studios consider what movies to fund, they will see what "Barbershop" made and what "Antwone Fisher" made and that's why you'll see "Barbershop II" and "Barbershop III."

Iverem—So those two films, with entirely different screen situations, will compared like that?

Lee—I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I talk to these studio people and that's how they think.

And Kasi Lemmons...

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Lemmons: I don't know... I mean, it's very hard when you're talking the amount of money you need for distribution. That's a lot of money. Whereas, I think product creates demand, to a certain extent, the more that we can get a variety of product out there and educate the audience by showing them a lot of different things. Not just comedies, but family dramas. Not just family dramas, but science fiction and so on.... The more types of product you have out there, the more you create the demand for it. And I think that once the demand is established, we can carry out the rest through the system. Because all anyone really wants is to make money. You can speculate about some mastermind, institutional racism, but I don't think so. I think it's probably all about commerce. And I think we can change the system just by making films.

Q: So you think it's a process that can begin outside the system and gradually expand perceptions of African-Americans from within the studio system itself?

Lemmons: I think so, but I think the process you're talking about is more like an elaborate conversation between the audience and the filmmaker, between the supply and demand. I mean, audiences can be difficult, too. They have to be nurtured and brought around and made to accept a variety of product, which right now they are not. We're conditioned to accept a variety of white product, and we're not really conditioned to accept a variety of African-American product.

Or "crossover" product that is neither here nor there. Or is both here and there...

especially if you don't realize that at the end of the day, it's all about that loot for the studios...


>This is that stupid self hating racist bullshit. It's so easy
>to say it's black people's fault. That's the same stupid
>racist shit the studio execs try to say.
>
show me where there is PROOF that black folks go see serious movies wit Black casts that ARE NOT biopics..."Dreamgirls" may be the only exception....

>Where are you getting these ASS-umptions that Black people
>won't see a "serious" movie with black people in it? Is that
>some shit you made up?
>
it's all made up...in your head....if black folks went in droves to see more serious movies of color then we wouldn't be dealin wit stuff like "Norbit" being everywhere...


>Only greenlight a movie with black people in it if it's
>"non-serious"??
>
no....see that's where you're missing the point...comedies/romantic comedies wit black casts get greenlit more because it's basically been PROVEN that black folk WILL probably roll out in droves to see it...


>Are you saying black people won't watch a serious movie?
>
tell me where they have?? again, leaving out biopics and "dreamgirls"

>Wow, not only can you review a movie without watching it, but
>you KNOW exactly what all black people do and will watch. WOW.
>You're fucking amazing.
>
>And I guess all of Denzel's movies have been non-serious, huh?
>All of Will Smith's movies have been "non serious"??
>Oh....wait...only white people goes to see Denzel's movies,
>right?? Because black people won't see a serious movie with
>"people of color" in it, right??
>
we're talkin about movies wit a maj Black cast here, not movies where there a person of color, their immeadiate fam and a buncha white folks....denzel and Will are marketablre actors, the studio doesn't CARE what color they are, long as they bring in those box office numbers, which they do...

>You are a fucking idiot.
>
>
must be opposite day

>
>
>

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No BITCH, YOU'RE the fucking idiot.

So I guess all of Spike's movies have been comedies, huh?

There has to actually be serious black movies made in order to actually say black people won't see a "serious" movie.

What the fuck is a "serious" movie anyway. People in general don't always want to see a "serious" movie. People in genral, black people included want to see a "good" movie, whether it's serious or not. All the serious movies that seem to be made with an all black cast are usually biopics or some civil rights slavery shit. Black people don't just want to see that all the time, nobody does. Where's the variation?? Where's the all black suspense thriller? All people watch thrillers, including us black people too. But they won't greenlight those.

There are a lot of "serious" movies that nobody, black or white go to see. If it's a good movie with an all white cast, black people will go see it, we don't give a shit. But if it's a modern day movie with an all black cast, whites and bougie self hating black people won't go see it. Don't make this a only black people don't see serious movies in it thing.

The only "serious" movies they seem to give an all black cast will have a plot that makes white people comfortable watching. It's got to be in the past, and blacks cannot be in any position of power. If you take a movie like Children of Men, which actually has 2 key roles by blacks, and made it an all black cast, would the movie be any less enjoyable?? You bithasses who seem to think it's ONLY about the dollar have been brainwashed to blame the victims. It's no accident that when the good scrits come across the desk that they intentionally cast leading white actors and actresses because they ASS-ume their best chances of seeing a profit is if white actors are in the movie. This is just prejudice.

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Some people argue to try to sound "smarter" and "deeper" than they are. I don't have to try to sound deep and smart. There is no "argument" for me to make. I'm not trying to win you over. It is what it is. It's easier for people to blame the oppressed than it is to actually deal with the oppressor. I actually feel sorry for you.

When a movie is cast, decisions are being made, A person making a decision. They base those decisions on a combination of economics and their own personal experiences and perceptions of what they think will sell. To say black people won't see a good non comedic movie with an all black cast, is simply racist and prejudice, and unproven.

Give an example where there have been a movie with an all black ensemble cast done in the same manner as a "serious" movie with an all white cast, i.e budget, marketing, cast, etc. that black people didn't see.

And i'm not getting emotional, i'm just calling it like I see it. I'll say it in a whisper by taking my caps off if it makes you feel less threatened.......bitch.

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>Some people argue to try to sound "smarter" and "deeper" than
>they are. I don't have to try to sound deep and smart. There
>is no "argument" for me to make. I'm not trying to win you
>over. It is what it is. It's easier for people to blame the
>oppressed than it is to actually deal with the oppressor. I
>actually feel sorry for you.
>
ditto

>When a movie is cast, decisions are being made, A person
>making a decision. They base those decisions on a combination
>of economics and their own personal experiences and
>perceptions of what they think will sell. To say black people
>won't see a good non comedic movie with an all black cast, is
>simply racist and prejudice, and unproven.
>
tell that to the folks who brought us Eve's Bayou, to Sleep wit Anger, Devil in a blue dress, etc....so you think the studio greelights stuff like Whit Chicks cause they "hope" it'll sell?? nah homie, the past has proven shit like that sells...no matter where you go it's all about "proof"

>Give an example where there have been a movie with an all
>black ensemble cast done in the same manner as a "serious"
>movie with an all white cast, i.e budget, marketing, cast,
>etc. that black people didn't see.
>
i did that above...

>And i'm not getting emotional, i'm just calling it like I see
>it. I'll say it in a whisper by taking my caps off if it makes
>you feel less threatened.......bitch.
>
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>tell that to the folks who brought us Eve's Bayou, to Sleep
>wit Anger, Devil in a blue dress, etc....so you think the
>studio greelights stuff like Whit Chicks cause they "hope"
>it'll sell?? nah homie, the past has proven shit like that
>sells...no matter where you go it's all about "proof"

White Chicks made money because WHITE people saw that joint in droves, not black people. Most of us thought that concept was corny as hell. But, no matter what, you'll blame it on black people.

It's like assuming 50 Cent is making his money off of black people, and that all we like is gangsta shit. No, it's the younger white people who support the buffoonery of the few black people who coon, then some whites assume that's all we're about. They greenlight what they're comfortable seeing you as, not what they fear you may actually be, or become.

I mean, did you really think they would let Denzel knock off Julia Roberts in The Pelican Brief? Oh, wait that was a "financial" decision right?? Race had nothing to do with it!!?!? blame it on black people, go ahead.

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>I mean, did you really think they would let Denzel knock off
>Julia Roberts in The Pelican Brief? Oh, wait that was a
>"financial" decision right?? Race had nothing to do with
>it!!?!? blame it on black people, go ahead.

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>Especially when it's pretty clear that this person doesn't
>know much about how the system works.
>
...i'll admit that havin a discussion wit a person who clearly knows knows nada about the subject matter is a waste of time...

>No, it wouldn't. Because Fish has had an excellent career
>playing a wide range of characters. And actually, it isn't
>semantics. If someone chooses Morris Chesnut as an example of
>how Hollywood holds black actors back, it suggest that they
>don't know what they're talking about.
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...yeah, but thinkin Chestnutt is a great actor is a matter of opinion at the end of the day..just like folks who thin DiCaprio is a great actor...but it's fairly obvios that Chestnutt is a bad example...

>>word...i think it just frustrates people to see so many
>goofy
>>movies starrin people of color while there seem to be a
>select
>>few who get in on the more serious ones...but that's all
>about
>>marketability and acting chops...
>
>When there is a serious movie with people of color in it,
>guess what happens? Black folks don't go see it. To me,
>that's the biggest problem facing black folks in Hollywood.

oh, i know this....i don't like it either, but it seems that the intrest in those wack movies hasn't dwindled at all...which is sad...you'd think people would wanna see a variety of cinema wit folks of color...but they act like all they wanna see is SOMETHING funny...

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because of the subject matter.

Look, every year hollywood puts out a grip of smaller, quirky films featuring an all-white cast. Little miss sunshine, Garden State, etc, etc, etc.

It don't work that way for black people in Hollyweird. Now, I don't think we should even be waiting for that opening up to happen, but still, can't front on the reality of it

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anyway
i think you're either fucking up with your examples or you're blaming the wrong people because im pretty sure someone like don cheadle isn't out for those type of roles although he do gets them offered. halle had and still has a shitload of offers but either her or her agent is fucking up.

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and its not a matter of recoeving a role. Don Cheadle DID get to be the lead in Hotel Rwand, an Indie. but he should be able to be a lead in a major relase, and if for sum reason he doesnt want to be, he can be a lead in another indie which he has not done.


And I am not just talking about Cheadle. Tell me the last time that a Black man , other than Will or Dnezel was lead in a major hollywood Drama??????? its not a credile role thing, its not a "being selective thing". ITS A BLACK THING!


P.S. do you really think that Halle is passing up credible roles to be Catwoman??? if u do, u can't be serious.

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halle has SAID she did that on purpose in interviews numerous times
she wanted roles that were more fun so she took a role like that
and on top of that shes coming out with 3 dramas in the next 2 years

don cheadle has been in oceans 12 a MAJOR hollywood production after hotel rwanda was shot, he was in after the sunset which wasnt a small production either and hes doing quite some movies for the next few years including a indie where he plays petey greene. HE accepts the roles he wants to.

do you even have any idea how long the production of a movie takes?
its not like they are done shooting and are like oh lets do this now and it'll come out next year.

sure they could be leads in movies all the time but most actors dont prefer to do lead after lead after lead. most shoot a movie and take a vacation or wait for the right script.

and to answer your question. dreamgirls.

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being in a n esemble cast means like Ocean's 11/12.......thats like saying that Casey Affleck is a major star. Cheadle was an ensemble member in united states of leland, and crash.

Ok, Dreamgirls, u got me...and what? U have to know that Racism still exists.


with to know that there are issues in Halle, i try to respect her but i dunno.


you have to know that there are issues hollywood

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i said ur citing the wrong ones and i backed it up well enough

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i don't think he even knows what he's trying to say

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ya'll just keep harping on Chesnut, and missing the point. see the bigger picture.

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but so far you've been unable to express exactly what that picture is

which is not to say that this bigger picture does not exist... but YOU have failed to communicate it, so ultimately, your post still ends up being a bit of a waste of time.

if i said, "there's racism in America... for example, my cousin was arrested last week by the police just because he's a Black man who happened to be robbing a gas station"

yeah, there probably IS racism in America, but since my example was shit, so is my argument. seen?

besides, i'm not just harping on the Chestnut thing... there's a bunch of different things you've said that make very little sense in the context.

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that blacks have opportunity but it is limited. We get the great supproting roles, we get the buffoonery like soulplane, but we arerely have blacks leading in date movies/chick flicks, dramas, or even decent(stress decent) comedies.


Yeah, you can name SOME, but not a lot. and I believe in the title of this post, because of things being limited. I dont feel that Don cheadle truly is fine with not being the lead in a movie. and if its true, where are the others? its not just Will and Denzel. I am sure there are others that can lead in a major, medium to large budget movei. the only black leads that I usually see are in independent films.

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>Yeah, you can name SOME, but not a lot.

sidney poitier
morgan freeman
jeffrey wright
whoopi goldberg
cuba gooding jr.
eddie griffin
eddie murphy
martin lawrence
ice cube
samuel l jackson
ice t
terrence howard (just got casted for a major role in ironman)
omar epps
queen latifah
sanaa lathan
angela bassett
eriq la salle (fuck it getting cast for a major role in a series like e.r. counts too)

i can probably go on for a long time
most of them were or are (repeatedly) cast for major films in hollywood regardless of their acting skills (see ice-t)



>and I believe in the
>title of this post, because of things being limited. I dont
>feel that Don cheadle truly is fine with not being the lead in
>a movie. and if its true, where are the others? its not just
>Will and Denzel.


thats not how CASTING works. they look for someone who FITS the role.
not just for a good actor regardless of if they fit with the character. if don cheadle wasnt fine with not being the lead in a movie he wouldnt be accepting roles like oceans 11, 12 AND 13.




>I am sure there are others that can lead in
>a major, medium to large budget movei. the only black leads
>that I usually see are in independent films.



i think its more so an issue of you seeing what you WANT to see

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musta skipped a beat when you thought this.

it was just a name i threw out there. never said he was brilliant. I am saying that with his visibilty, he should have had a million lead roles by now. His talent is eh, but he is to black actors what Kate Hudson is to chick flicks. She leads in many roles and isnt that talented. THIS IS WHAT I AM SAYING!!!! there are plenty of untalented actors(white) in hollywood who lead in more films than him

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Despite having an Oscar nom and a huge hit in How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days (even though I'd chalk up the $$$ to Matt McConaughey, she'll get a bump from studios). And it's not like she's getting huge movies. She's in medium budgeted comedies and horror films.

You really have to just drop Morris Chestnut. He had his shot, didn't make it, and was passed over. It happens to a lot of people (Rachel Leigh Cook, Sam Rockwell, etc.)

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The Best Man, in terms of acting... and he SUCKED, even made Taye Diggs look like Denzel. I mean he's played the good guy, the love interest, the bad guy, the jock... he had his shot and then some. He's really the male version of Gabrielle Union... and her acting could get no worse.

>it was just a name i threw out there. never said he was
>brilliant. I am saying that with his visibilty, he should
>have had a million lead roles by now.

his "visibility"?

you think people are awarded leads based on being "visible"?

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drawing certain demographics. I know that. Morris was a draw after Boyz in the Hood, and nver really had a lead after that until yrs later in Best Man as a nensemble role and Two can play at that game.




He could have made a career playing lead in chick flicks/date flicks for black women and could have been a huge draw eventually. doesnt always have to do with talent.

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seriously, WHAT is Morris Chestnut drawing?

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he COULD have been drawing. Two can play..came out yrs after his breakthrough with Boyz in the hood. maybe their werent opportunities or maybe he was picking the wrost out of what was offered, but he could have been a decent sized star, but a couple things work against that. Racism, and these black actors not having anywhere to go back in the early mid nineties. If u were black then, u did coming of age flicks about getting out the hood.

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see why i said you don't seem to know what you're talking about?

Cuba Gooding Jr. came out of Boyz N the Hood and had a pretty successful career... even won an Oscar.

Ice Cube came out of Boyz N the Hood and had a pretty successful movie career.

Regina King... same thing.

that same movie also launched Laurence Fishburne (who had been around for a while) into the stratosphere.

but Morris Chestnut didn't become a star after Boyz... because of racism.

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and that even though u have stated some examples, we do have plenty of actors who are picking buffoon roles either cuz thats all they can get, or thats what they pick. I feel that its more of the former.


Yeah, Cuba got an oscar, but not for being a lead right? and he's had a hit or miss track record since that, am i right?


Regina has NEVER led in a movie, Laurence rarely does, and yeah ICE Cube has done a lot of things in Hollywood, but where are the black dramatic leads? we only have a handful and its so clear and obvious. its because of racism.

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because people--and many of them are in this thread--have a problem with "black" films.

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I WOULD watch Best Man, I would not watch White Girls. I would watch Love Jones, I would not Phat Girls(whatever Monique's movie was called). I dont like that Minstrel show shit.

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the fact that it's not about bourgie/boho black people drinking wine and reading poetry to each other?

what's stereotypical about a full-figured black woman's struggle with body image and self-esteem in a world where the standard of beauty is skinny and usually white? what's stereotypical about a black American woman going to Africa and learning about cultural differences between blacks from different points of the diaspora?

mind you, i'm not arguing that Phat Girlz is a particularly *good* film... but i'd be hard-pressed to call it "seterotypical." in fact, it deals with issues i don't recall being seen tackled in just about any other black film.

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the issue was why certain Black actors did not become bigger stars or leads in films?

but Cuba did. Ice Cube did. Fish did.

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the brothers and two can play that game. if you gonna give cuba some credit for being the lead in that wack shit he's been in, then you better fuckin recognize. ain't no pleas to be copped here...morris was the lead in those films. stay focused and try to wiggle out of it.

cuba gets most of his dough supporting white folks and so does morris...and so does fish.

why are you bullshittin?

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>the brothers and two can play that game. if you gonna give
>cuba some credit for being the lead in that wack shit he's
>been in, then you better fuckin recognize. ain't no pleas to
>be copped here...morris was the lead in those films. stay
>focused and try to wiggle out of it.

the question was "why has Morris Chestnutt not gotten to play the lead in Hollywood movies after all these years"

you argue that he HAS.

if he has, then the question is moot.

but in any case, you say the leads he has played were in movies like Two Can Play That Game and The Brothers.

neither film was a box office smash, and at least one of them was straight dookie.

THAT answers your question as to why he hasn't played the lead in any "mainstream" Hollywood films.

YOU try to stay focused now.