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ya Setshego
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"Wanna go to Africa?"


  

          

Check out the group I went w/ both times:

http://oca.igc.org

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RE: Wanna go to Africa?
Dec 07th 2002
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RE: Wanna go to Africa?
Dec 07th 2002
2
      RE: Wanna go to Africa?
Dec 08th 2002
3
      Agreed.
Dec 08th 2002
4
           say word.
Dec 08th 2002
5
           RE: Agreed.
Dec 09th 2002
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                RE: Agreed.
Dec 09th 2002
14
      RE: Wanna go to Africa?
Dec 09th 2002
16
hell naw...thats far
Dec 08th 2002
6
RE: hell naw...thats far
Dec 09th 2002
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      RE: hell naw...thats far
Dec 09th 2002
10
      RE: hell naw...thats far
Dec 10th 2002
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      a WEEKEND in "Egypt" changed you life?
Dec 10th 2002
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      RE: a WEEKEND in "Egypt" changed you life?
Dec 10th 2002
21
           RE: a WEEKEND in
Dec 10th 2002
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           RE: a WEEKEND in "Egypt" changed you life?
Dec 10th 2002
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      RE: hell naw...thats far
Dec 13th 2002
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RE: Wanna go to Africa?
Dec 09th 2002
8
RE: Wanna go to Africa?
Dec 09th 2002
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So why didn't you crackas say that 500 years ago?
Dec 09th 2002
15
a friend did op. crossroads
Dec 09th 2002
11
I raised the money
Dec 10th 2002
18
      What country(ies) did you "visit"...?
Dec 10th 2002
19
           RE: What country(ies) did you "visit"...?
Dec 13th 2002
28
                say word...
Dec 13th 2002
34
                     Nope.
Dec 13th 2002
36
I'd like to do this
Dec 09th 2002
12
RE: I'd like to do this
Dec 10th 2002
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      RE: I'd like to do this
Dec 11th 2002
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           RE: I'd like to do this
Dec 11th 2002
26
Planning to go to kenya
Dec 12th 2002
27
U hali gani?
Dec 13th 2002
29
RE: U hali gani?
Dec 13th 2002
32
      RE: U hali gani?
Dec 13th 2002
35
Kool, I'll be going to Kenya also...
Dec 13th 2002
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      RE: Kool, I'll be going to Kenya also...
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deafening_silence
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1. "RE: Wanna go to Africa?"
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Kool, Im going to Africa with Leaders Today, also an organization ppl can go with...

  

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ya Setshego
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2. "RE: Wanna go to Africa?"
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Post the link for the website please. I'm hoping to use this post as a means to document ways that people were able to visit the Motherland, and then have the thread archived so the information can be readily available when folk get ready to "make that move".

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THE TROLL UNDER THE BRIDGE
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3. "RE: Wanna go to Africa?"
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wow...thats cool....wish i could 'get things together' to go..have too much to do here now though.....one of us should go.

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And they shame,
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ya Setshego
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4. "Agreed."
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MORE than one should go. It's a life changing experience, I'm telling you. No matter WHAT your race or background, there is NO WAY you can spend two months in Africa, and not be moved by the experience. Africa is such a spiritual and mystical place, that having your consciousness heightened by the experience of living and working amongst Indigenous peoples there is an inevitability.

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5. "say word."
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all those i know who had the blessing to visit afrika were changed by the experience.

i plan to go there too but i have to get my shit together first.

  

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THE TROLL UNDER THE BRIDGE
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9. "RE: Agreed."
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i spent 3 months in kenya a looooooooooooooooong time ago...it was nice....i was too young to appreciate what i saw...in retrospect...everyone needs to go..i wish there was more of a united african front whener one can go back packing through the motherland....but africans arent known for their unity...i would like to go...badly...but i have bills, and mo bills...it will only get worse if i leave...so can one of you people use this oppertunity...and give us a report.....i vew is all as a family..sorta like a disfunctional clan.....even though we disagree on alot....we still agree that we should all be working towards fixing something in our little worlds (true activism)...anywho...it would make me happy to see an okp rep in the motherland......jst dont say nothing stupid when you get there....like hotep to a massai....please? (j/k)

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Life is but a dream,
Drifting on a stream, a stream,
Consciously it seems,
All of what remains,
Ego Brain,
And they shame,
Shame, love after it rains,
You see my pain is real,
Watch my world dissolve,
And pretend tha

  

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Quest4Knowledge
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14. "RE: Agreed."
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>i spent 3 months in kenya a looooooooooooooooong time
>ago...it was nice....i was too young to appreciate what i
>saw...in retrospect...everyone needs to go..i wish there was
>more of a united african front whener one can go back
>packing through the motherland....but africans arent known
>for their unity...

I always thought they did have unity. I mean, it's an entire continent so you can't expect it to be like people who rep Brooklyn, but I always thought there was at least some level of unity (the new-found African Union, etc.)


i would like to go...badly...but i have
>bills, and mo bills...it will only get worse if i leave...so
>can one of you people use this oppertunity...and give us a
>report.....i vew is all as a family..sorta like a
>disfunctional clan.....even though we disagree on alot....we
>still agree that we should all be working towards fixing
>something in our little worlds (true activism)...anywho...it
>would make me happy to see an okp rep in the
>motherland......

Did you read Kemetian's post about going to Ethiopia?

jst dont say nothing stupid when you get
>there....like hotep to a massai....please? (j/k)


Peace and Love
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16. "RE: Wanna go to Africa?"
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leaderstoday.com and you can find the info you need there.... under volunteer opportunities

  

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6. "hell naw...thats far"
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where in Africa. its continent not a small town.

  

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7. "RE: hell naw...thats far"
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I just got back from a weekend in Egypt, it was absolutly amazing. a totally life changing experience, Africa and the Middle East all in one shot. Talk about turning your whole view of the world upside down.

"and this has shit to do with your confrontational online persona and wack view on indefinite incarceration & lack of empathy." okayplayer rawsouthpaw

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10. "RE: hell naw...thats far"
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i envy you....a weekend in egypt?.....i envy you..

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Life is but a dream,
Drifting on a stream, a stream,
Consciously it seems,
All of what remains,
Ego Brain,
And they shame,
Shame, love after it rains,
You see my pain is real,
Watch my world dissolve,
And pretend tha

  

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17. "RE: hell naw...thats far"
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yeah, Iīve been living in Spain for the past four months. It was only a 5 hour flight and everything was so cheap because so many Americans are afraid to go to the middle east/africa right now. I was there for the feast at the end of Ramadan, it was amazing.

"and this has shit to do with your confrontational online persona and wack view on indefinite incarceration & lack of empathy." okayplayer rawsouthpaw

"John Stockton, not just a great player, but one of the greatest stories of western civilization"--Bi

  

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20. "a WEEKEND in "Egypt" changed you life?"
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...ok. Try a couple hours driving through war-riddled Liberia. I'm not sayin'...but I'm just sayin'...
Egypt is a freakin' RESORT! They don't even like to claim being part of Africa. Visit one of the "dark" countries (as they call it) for the ultimate and total experience.

  

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21. "RE: a WEEKEND in "Egypt" changed you life?"
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have you ever even been to Egypt? There are a few large resort hotels but there is nothing resort about the place at all. Thanks for the life lesson on what should and shouldnīt alter a personīs view of life though. I stayed with a large family on the outskirts of Cairo who had no running water, flies all over their food, trash in their irrigation canal, and a roof made out of palm leaves. It really reminded me of a nice club med resort. Maybe they call the other countries dark because the people have darker skin than them, but hey thatīs just the logical side of my brain working. Iīm sorry I havenīt had the opportunity to drive through Liberia, Iīm sure it would change my life, but it changes my life whenever I go anywhere. Egypt was a real serious life changer though. Being in the Middle East at a time such as now, just totally turned everything upside down. And Egypt is supposed to be one of the most developed countries in africa and the middle east, I canīt even imagine what other places must be like. But it was far from a resort, maybe you just didnīt go to the right places.

"and this has shit to do with your confrontational online persona and wack view on indefinite incarceration & lack of empathy." okayplayer rawsouthpaw

"John Stockton, not just a great player, but one of the greatest stories of western civilization"--Bi

  

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22. "RE: a WEEKEND in"
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Tue Dec-10-02 01:56 PM

  

          

You know what...I apologize. I jumped the gun outta irritation. It's just that I get a lotta ppl around the way here, and/or on this site saying how they went to Africa (Egypt) and they stayed in downtown at the Hilton Cairo or the Mandalay East or the Luxor or something ritzy as such, and it's suppose to be the ultimate trip to Africa 'cuz they saw a couple pyramids or Ramses' tomb. It just irks me. So were'd you stay at, Hulwan?

edit: (sp) Ramses.

  

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23. "RE: a WEEKEND in "Egypt" changed you life?"
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I stayed with a large family on the outskirts of Cairo who had no running water, flies all over their food, trash in their irrigation canal, and a roof made out of palm leaves. It really reminded me of a nice club med resor


Yes,I live in cairo and this is a big problem.

Those poeple who live opn ther outskirts are the real egyptains,not the people who live in the city who are mostly of freign origin.

In egypt they call darker skinned egyptains such as myself asmar,which would usually mean tan,but in egypt it is kind of a demeaning title since in modern egypt as oposed to ancient egypt darker skinned people are look down upon. A lot of time poor egyptains ,which is what my family was,but they still managed to send me to college,but people still know I am a baladi.

Baladi refers to people who live in rual areas of egypt and usually they are the cotton farmers you might see in upper egypt and are quite different form the city dwellers.

There is a section of cairo in egypt called the baladi quarters where rual fellahin come in and sell their produce,but many people such as tourist are ignorant of this. One thing you will notice in cairo is the bill boards of people are sometimes painted lighter than they turaly are.
African americans usually have no problems,but sub saharan africans who come to cairo are usually looked down upon.

I don;t sahare this opinion,but pay close attention to who miss egypt was this year and you will see it was deifnatley not egyptains that look like me.

Skin bleeching is also a big problem in egypt.

Except for his curly black hair, with its hint of African negro
blood, he looked more Arabian than Egyptian; most of the
men in the village were shorter, more heavily built, and had strong
cheekbones, thick noses, and heavy jaws. Among their rugged faces,
Shahhat's stood out as singularly expressive."
The reader might conclude from such a description that Critchfield's
initial attraction to Shahhat was due to the fact that his features
were much less African than those of the majority of Upper Egyptians.
Ironically, that is the attitude of some inhabitants of northern
Egypt, who refuse to acknowledge Upper Egyptians as Arabs, and
consider darker skin to be a negative trait. Such prejudice is the
second challenge which faces Upper Egyptians, in addition to poverty:
racism.
Although I did take issue with the presumably inadvertent racial
implications of Critchfield's observations, Shahhat, an Egyptian is
an entertaining and vivid introduction to the richness and diversity
of rural Egyptian life.
Uzra Zeya is a program coordinator for the American Educational Trust
specializing in Islamic affairs.
Advise and Dissent and Shahhat, an Egyptian are available from the
http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2002/598/li1.htm

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0390/9003045.htm


Also I diuslike when people call egyptains middle eastern,or even arabs,because the truth is we are african,but many of uis are ashamed to admit it.


  

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30. "RE: hell naw...thats far"
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wow, very kool

  

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8. "RE: Wanna go to Africa?"
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Fuck no.

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13. "RE: Wanna go to Africa?"
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>Fuck no.

"and they will make the World seem like savages, and your own enviornment seem like utopia to keep you inside.. trapped in your own false sense of freedom and safety away from all things outside a narrow view of the World and life..."

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15. "So why didn't you crackas say that 500 years ago?"
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cracka-ass cracka.

* blames whitey *

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11. "a friend did op. crossroads"
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how'd u get the money?

here's one, free but somewhat of a catch (u dont go for another 2 years)-http://www.dzertclub.com/



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-We all dropped out of school, man. That’s why.

-"I’m the biggest one; I’m gon’ to get shot. I’m bigger. They can see me first."

-I let Nashawn fight all of them. Me, I will fight anyone of them in their crew. I will fight their security g

  

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18. "I raised the money"
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Tue Dec-10-02 06:26 AM

  

          

through a bake sale, yard sale, scholarship from Howard's International Affairs Dept., selling Crossroads raffle tickets, going door-to-door in my neighborhood asking for contributions, and then I received a travel scholarship from Crossroads.

The second time I did not have to pay, because I was a group leader. Groups leaders must be 25 years of age, and have some experience travelling internationally, preferably in Africa or South america.

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19. "What country(ies) did you "visit"...?"
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ya Setshego
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28. "RE: What country(ies) did you "visit"...?"
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Kenya, Botswana, Cote d'Ivoire, Nigeria, Senegal, Ghana, Ethiopia, Liberia, Zambia and Zimbabwe.

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34. "say word..."
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.../did u see/visit the tunnel of 'no return' in Ghana? deep...

  

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ya Setshego
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36. "Nope."
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Only in pictures. That's why I'm trying to go back.

>.../did u see/visit the tunnel of 'no return' in Ghana?
>deep...

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12. "I'd like to do this"
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The only problem I see would be getting the funds together. How did you do it?

http://www.last.fm/user/ebisu

  

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24. "RE: I'd like to do this"
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stayed with a large family on the outskirts of Cairo who had no running water, flies all over their food, trash in their irrigation canal, and a roof made out of palm leaves. It really reminded me of a nice club med resor

Yes,I live in cairo and this is a big problem.

Those poeple who live opn ther outskirts are the real egyptains,not the people who live in the city who are mostly of freign origin.

In egypt they call darker skinned egyptains such as myself asmar,which would usually mean tan,but in egypt it is kind of a demeaning title since in modern egypt as oposed to ancient egypt darker skinned people are look down upon. A lot of time poor egyptains ,which is what my family was,but they still managed to send me to college,but people still know I am a baladi.

Baladi refers to people who live in rual areas of egypt and usually they are the cotton farmers you might see in upper egypt and are quite different form the city dwellers.

There is a section of cairo in egypt called the baladi quarters where rual fellahin come in and sell their produce,but many people such as tourist are ignorant of this. One thing you will notice in cairo is the bill boards of people are sometimes painted lighter than they turaly are.
African americans usually have no problems,but sub saharan africans who come to cairo are usually looked down upon.

I don;t sahare this opinion,but pay close attention to who miss egypt was this year and you will see it was deifnatley not egyptains that look like me.

Skin bleeching is also a big problem in egypt.

Except for his curly black hair, with its hint of African negro
blood, he looked more Arabian than Egyptian; most of the
men in the village were shorter, more heavily built, and had strong
cheekbones, thick noses, and heavy jaws. Among their rugged faces,
Shahhat's stood out as singularly expressive."
The reader might conclude from such a description that Critchfield's
initial attraction to Shahhat was due to the fact that his features
were much less African than those of the majority of Upper Egyptians.
Ironically, that is the attitude of some inhabitants of northern
Egypt, who refuse to acknowledge Upper Egyptians as Arabs, and
consider darker skin to be a negative trait. Such prejudice is the
second challenge which faces Upper Egyptians, in addition to poverty:
racism.
Although I did take issue with the presumably inadvertent racial
implications of Critchfield's observations, Shahhat, an Egyptian is
an entertaining and vivid introduction to the richness and diversity
of rural Egyptian life.
Uzra Zeya is a program coordinator for the American Educational Trust
specializing in Islamic affairs.
Advise and Dissent and Shahhat, an Egyptian are available from the
http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2002/598/li1.htm

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0390/9003045.htm


Also I diuslike when people call egyptains middle eastern,or even arabs,because the truth is we are african,but many of uis are ashamed to admit it.

  

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25. "RE: I'd like to do this"
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I agree with you on the African thing, but you cannot ignore the fact that Egypt DOES have an ARAB history that cannot be overlooked. Most Egyptians just because of lanugage and recent history, have a lot more in common with the middle-east then with the rest of Africa. Having said that, I do think that they should take more pride in their African side, but with the situation right now in the middle-east, they can't ignore their "middle-eastern" side for sure.

Peace,

Side note: hopefully, I'll be reaching Somali/Ethiopia this year, never been there, even though that's where my fam is from. Can't wait!

  

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26. "RE: I'd like to do this"
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Most Egyptians just because of lanugage and recent history, have a lot more in common with the middle-east then with the rest of Africa.


Not really ancient kemetian language is more related to chadic,berber and cushiuc than it is wiuth semetic languages even though they are the same phylum.

What arab history,coptics which most egyptains come from allowqed arabs to come in and they messed it up.

Most of gegyptains during the byzhantine was coptic,I am by no mean an arab,nor will I rid myself of my pharonic heritage to apease arabs and their agenda.


  

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27. "Planning to go to kenya"
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over the summer to work with carolina for kibera (project run by univ. of northcarolina chapel hill). i'm from kenya so i figure i just need to take care of air fare (1,500).my proposal is to set up HIV/AIDS awareness with youth, so if anyone is going to be in africa thereabouts and wants to get involved we could set up some dialogue.... i am going july-august. dates not set yet....

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29. "U hali gani?"
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Ume kuja kutoka wapi?

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32. "RE: U hali gani?"
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njema ndugu, pole nilichukua muda kukujibu. i grew up in nairobi...

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35. "RE: U hali gani?"
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So you're Kikuyu? Where do you live now?

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31. "Kool, I'll be going to Kenya also..."
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Nice to see others are also going to help

  

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33. "RE: Kool, I'll be going to Kenya also..."
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when are you going?? me- probably july-august.

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