The fight last night being what it was, the argument post fight was more entertaining.

We had the loudest negro in the room arguing against at least 5-6 boricuas. He's making his points about PBF's speed and defense, etc...Pac's never fought a fighter with speed to compete with him, etc...

Riddle me this:
PBF wanted olympic style drug testing to fight Pac earlier this year. Then turns around and signs a fight against Shane, who's already tested positive for PEDs. Pac's never pissed hot, just keeps busting peoples ass while they throw dirt (see Cam Newton).
Didn't Pac eventually agree to all of PBFs demands.
What was the reason for this fight not happening earlier this year?

Didn't Pac have a trilogy of fights against Morales, and 2 fights against JMM? Now that he's moved up in weight, it seems that people forget he was handing people their hats in the lower weight classes too, where the fighters are much faster.

What I've noticed in Pac's fights lately, is pre-fight the opponent is going to do this, going to do that...and then they taste the leather, feel the power, and end up covering up and losing the fight, while Pac is still throwing almost 100 punches in the later rounds. PBF has the speed advantage, and has impeccable defense, but once Pac touches his chin, I don't think we'll see the same PBF!!!

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The JMM fights were close...

And the truth is Manny hasn't faced someone with the speed, defense and precision punching as Floyd. At the same time I don't believe Floyd has fought someone with the motor and punch output as Pac.

As I've seen though, Manny's style plays right into Floyd's hands though. And all those 1-2's Manny lets off on his last 5 opponents are not seeing Floyd. You can guess by now I think Floyd will win, but Manny is a formidable opponent.

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Duke, Knicks, Yankess, Giants, UGA, Rangers

Binlahab droppin science on the youth

"youre frustrated now? in undergrad? reading books all day?,
surrounded by more nubile unattached pussy than you will be in your life?"

then ionno what happened again on PBFs side

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Binlahab droppin science on the youth

"youre frustrated now? in undergrad? reading books all day?,
surrounded by more nubile unattached pussy than you will be in your life?"

One post you say 7 days

"No, Floyd wants testing within 7 days of the fight, thats the issue"

Then the next reply says that was agreed on

"they agreed to 7 days"

Then you say, oh well he really wants up to the fight testing

"floyd wants up until the fight"

I've found quotes where they have Mayweather saying he wanted testing up until 14 days before the fight and that's what stalled the first fight negotiations. Then I have Pac agreeing to the 14 days after the Clottey fight in the 2nd round of negotiations. Post #65. Then its 7, then its fight night.

This shit is just stupid!

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of stans is the fact they will never fight
that way everybody can keep talking about how their guy is unbeatable

yea marg talked alot of shit until he stepped in the ring and got rocked
lol
if manny and floyd did fight. i see manny winning. ppl talk like floyds defense is untouchable or something. what they don't realize is in order to win rounds floyd has to THROW. if he sits in the pocket against a fast accurate southpaw like manny, he'll deflect alot and get out the way alot but he'll still get hit enough to lose multiple rounds (see zab fight)
he'll eventually HAVE to open up like he did against zab and mosley
manny will already have a few rounds in the bag and has the speed to counter floyd once he does start pock shotting
being a defensive counterpuncher is not gonna get floyd enough rounds to win a fight against manny imo
half the rounds will be toss ups just from manny aggression and activity

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Hands down PBF would have been the favorite had the fight gone on earlier this year, but now you would have to make Pac the favorite

Max was saying something about waiting Pac out until he slows down. This could potentially turn into a BHop v RJJ matchup that no-one cares about by the time they get to actually fighting

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was the favorite every time
coulda changed once they actually finalized the fight, but yea

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ppl talk
>like floyds defense is untouchable or something.

You can not hit Floyd at will, which is how Manny tends to overwhelm his opponents. When he can't hit you at will, his aggression transforms into reluctancy.

what they
>don't realize is in order to win rounds floyd has to THROW.

Floyd does throw punches while making his opponents miss. Have you ever seen Floyd fight????


if
>he sits in the pocket against a fast accurate southpaw like
>manny, he'll deflect alot and get out the way alot but he'll
>still get hit enough to lose multiple rounds (see zab fight)

Manny is fast, check; Manny is a southpaw, check. Manny is accurate? I'm not so convinced of that. He's more of a speed mauler than a precision puncher (see Foreman's punching style vs Joe Frazier's, for a comparison).

Floyd counters as he makes opponents miss; this is where you will see Manny transform and become a lot more cautious instead of the tasmanian-devil, punching machine that many have become accustomed to seeing.

See the Zab fight for what? That fight makes the case for Floyd. He won that fight going away...Are you sure that you've seen Floyd fight????? (re-read SPM's post with confusion).



>he'll eventually HAVE to open up like he did against zab and
>mosley

Floyd won both of those fights...so your point will be...?


>manny will already have a few rounds in the bag and has the
>speed to counter floyd once he does start pock shotting
>being a defensive counterpuncher is not gonna get floyd enough
>rounds to win a fight against manny imo

1st of all, it's "pot" shotting, NOT "pock" shotting.

Manny is not skilled enough to counter a well-seasoned and extremely skilled boxer like Floyd. Hell, he had trouble counter punching JMM and he ain't got half the speed that Floyd has. Do you even watch boxing at all? *Scratches head at some of the non-sense that I've read*

>half the rounds will be toss ups just from manny aggression
>and activity

As pointed out earlier, Manny's punch-out and level of aggression decreases when he is being effectively countered, and Floyd is the current King of Counter-punching.

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fight that's never going happen
i think manny will win
so does vegas
so does floyd , otherwise he'd take the BIGGEST purse of his career and "beat him easily" as yall say
bottom line is floyd himself AND his camp have doubts/fears about the fight and want to continue earning easy money
we all know floyd loves money and loves acting like he is the best
he's willingly forgoing a huge purse and accolades and #1 rankings so that he doesn't have to fight manny
it is what it is
anything else is just some hypothetical dumb shit that can be countered by other hypothetical dumb shit

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"otherwise he'd take the BIGGEST purse of his career and "beat him easily" as yall say
bottom line is floyd himself AND his camp have doubts/fears about the fight and want to continue earning easy money
we all know floyd loves money and loves acting like he is the best
he's willingly forgoing a huge purse and accolades and #1 rankings so that he doesn't have to fight manny"

good to know someone else's vision ain't blurry

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>good to know someone else's vision ain't blurry

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>of stans is the fact they will never fight
>that way everybody can keep talking about how their guy is
>unbeatable

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yea i'm bringing up floyds amateur losses
cause that's bout how relevant manny loss 5 yrs ago @ featherweight are to this discussion so.....

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when Pac lost he was NOT the same fight he is today and for some reason people think he is when they bring up this discussion..lame

>when Pac lost he was NOT the same fight he is today and for
>some reason people think he is when they bring up this
>discussion..lame
>
>

Not to mention that the losses were in an arena where the rules are different; thus, the strategy that fighters utilize and attempt to execute is different.

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The rules and strategies for fights are not the same.

How you gon' compare the 2?

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if they fought now at welterweight
it's funny how ppl are trying give JMM wins he didn't earn
don't give a fuck what u think, some ppl think floyd lost before too
the judges didn't, cry about it
then they wanna keep talking about a 2 round loss at the hands of a HOFer in a fight where manny was moving up in weight again
btw a fight alot of ppl think manny actually won, but nobody brings that up like they do the JMM "wins"

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>btw a fight alot of ppl think manny actually won, but nobody
>brings that up like they do the JMM "wins"

just chose not to respond to it there (after saying that you refused to read alladat).

Point being, Floyd hasn't lost once and hasn't been any where near being close to losing except for his first fight with Castillo (in which he fought with a broken hand).

Almost all of Floyd's professional fights were not even close fights, where as Manny has lost 3 times, by his record and many believe it should be at least 4.

I can't wait 'til they fight, but even more than the fight, I look forward to reading the excuses of why Manny lost, how Floyd is over-rated, blah, blah, blah...

<<<<"Nothings more attractive than a heavy praying woman" © Andre 3000

"I can't wait 'til they fight"

Everybody is waiting for this fight. No-one is questioning PBF's skill, talent, etc...you're confusing that with everybody saying...

SHUT THE FUCK UP AND FIGHT PAC ALREADY!!!


"I look forward to reading the excuses"

While the rest of us non-PBF stans have to read the excuses that continue to come from PBF's camp, c'mon son

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and really i don't even have to read floyd stans responses to counter them
yall been saying the same shit for 3 yrs now
3 yrs and floyd has been finding 101 reasons not to fight someone ranked above him in his own division
and i like floyd btw
top 5 all time imo
so not discrediting anything about him
just think manny is better right now

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>
>What I've noticed in Pac's fights lately, is pre-fight the
>opponent is going to do this, going to do that...and then they
>taste the leather, feel the power, and end up covering up and
>losing the fight, while Pac is still throwing almost 100
>punches in the later rounds. PBF has the speed advantage, and
>has impeccable defense, but once Pac touches his chin, I don't
>think we'll see the same PBF!!!


1st of all, Pac was much faster than all of his opponents in the lower weight classes.

2ndly, he touched JMM's chin more than a few times and still had the fight of his life. Some believe that Pac has yet to actually beat JMM. Pac couldn't finish JMM in their first fight, after breaking JMM's nose IN THE FIRST ROUND. JMM stood up to all Manny had to give for 11 rounds WITH A BROKEN NOSE and not only avoided being KO'd, he earned a draw in that fight. Their 2nd fight was a controversial split decision for Pac.

See what PBF did to JMM and get back to me.

Lastly, because you don't get to see it that often you may not have noticed, but when Manny is being hit regulary, particalar gettin' caught by counter punches, he tends to stop throwing punches. Well, not stop entirely, but his punch out decreases significantly. I don't need to remind you that PBF is the greatest counter puncher in the game right now, and one of the greatest counter punchers in the history of boxing.

To assume that Manny will be able to tag one of boxing's ATG defensive fighters is closet to fool-hearty. Plus, do not under-estimate PBF's chin. Shane caught him flush with a solid shot and while Floyd buckled he was never in any real serious trouble. He weathered the storm and made Shane pay for the rest of the night. I'm not convinced that Pac is a harder puncher than Shane; i.e., if Floyd can take a solid, flush shot from Shane he can take one from Pac.

I can't wait to see this fight and I can't wait to read the excuses that Manny posers will have after Floyd thoroughly outclasses him.

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>Lastly, because you don't get to see it that often you may
>not have noticed, but when Manny is being hit regulary,
>particalar gettin' caught by counter punches, he tends to stop
>throwing punches. Well, not stop entirely, but his punch out
>decreases significantly. I don't need to remind you that PBF
>is the greatest counter puncher in the game right now, and one
>of the greatest counter punchers in the history of boxing.


No one continues with the same punch output if they're being hit effectively. This is even more true when you're being counter punched because you have to THINK about getting hit when you're throwing punches.

Manny has average defense at best. The idea that he's going to overwhelming PBF w/ punch output is some nintendo boxing shit. Ask Mosley, JMM, Zab, Hatton, etc how many punches they felt like throwing after getting a face full of leather every time they thought about throwing a punch.


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because one of the judges said they didn't know you could score a round 10-6, referring to the first round. Still one of the gutsiest performances I've ever seen, going the distance with a broken nose

In the Marquez, Cotto, and Margarito fights you have boxers with prefight gameplans coming into the fight, get touched, and then the whole fight changes, and the gameplan goes out the window.

"Everbody has a strategy, until they get punched in the face" - Iron Mike

"Shane caught him flush with a solid shot and while Floyd buckled"
"He weathered the storm"

Do you honestly think Pac is going to rock PBF early and then just stop throwing punches? C'mon son. You're comparing geriatric Shane without his juice to Pac, seriously.

While we're talking about Shane, there was so much controversy surrounding this fight with Margaritos wraps, etc...Why does no-one talk about Shane using PEDs? Dude pissed hot, and then PBF signs to fight him, after he starts a shit-storm over drug testing to fight Pac, how does that even make sense?

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testing worked
it looked more like fighting 39 yr old stable mates worked

also ppl don't realize manny fought JMM 6 months after fighting barrera
and it was only his 2nd fight at that weight after moving up
and he still handled a holder of two belts

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>In the Marquez, Cotto, and Margarito fights you have boxers
>with prefight gameplans coming into the fight, get touched,
>and then the whole fight changes, and the gameplan goes out
>the window.
>

Marquez, effectively changed his game plan in the ring and was VERY effective against Pac.

The question should be how will JMM adjust and change his plan after his original plan of just overwhelming his opponenet with punch out put, is not gonna work? Manny has a one-track mind and I've yet to see much demonstration of ring smarts from him, so how he adjusts should be the bigger question.

Floyd gets criticized for often losing the first few rounds, but he uses those rounds to gauge his opponent and figure him out. After he's done that, he sweeps every round afterward.

>
>While we're talking about Shane, there was so much controversy
>surrounding this fight with Margaritos wraps, etc...Why does
>no-one talk about Shane using PEDs? Dude pissed hot, and then
>PBF signs to fight him, after he starts a shit-storm over drug
>testing to fight Pac, how does that even make sense?

Shane agreed to Floyd's conditions on drug testing.

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You mean coming in overweight against a guy that never fought over 135. Talk about catch weight

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4485941

Couldn't get a contract for 147 so he said fuck it I'll give $600K to come in at whatever weight I want to.

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ARLINGTON, Texas – Antonio Margarito entered the ring standing five inches taller and weighing 17 pounds more than Manny Pacquiao.

By the ninth round, Margarito’s right eye had been nearly closed. His nose was bent. The rest of his face was bloodied and bruised. So pronounced was the destruction that Pacquiao kept turning to the referee and begging him to stop the fight, to end his massacre of this bigger, stronger man.

“Look at his eyes,” Pacquiao said he pleaded to the referee. “Look at his cuts.”

Somewhere Floyd Mayweather had to be watching this beatdown. He had to be watching this incomparable talent defy all known properties of size and strength. And he had to feel reassured about his recent career decisions.

For Mayweather, ducking Manny Pacquiao has never seemed so smart.

If Mayweather has any brains – and for all his fool’s antics, he most certainly does – he’ll keep dodging the superfight the world wants.

All the motivation he needs is to look at those busted-up cheeks of Antonio Margarito.

Pac-Man (52-3-2) won a unanimous decision Saturday here at Cowboys Stadium over a courageous but clearly outclassed Margarito. He won a title in his eighth weight class even though he didn’t bother to even get close to the contracted 150-pound weight limit. He officially weighed 144.6 and entered the ring at 148. Margarito was bulked up to 165 and the hour leading up to the fight had Pacquiao’s team accusing him of trying to take illegal stimulants.

Margarito may as well have snorted the 50-yard line. Nothing can stop Pacquiao and deep down Mayweather has to know that includes him. Step into the ring with Pac-Man these days and you leave a swollen mess (Miguel Cotto, Oscar De La Hoya, Margarito).

“I promote both Antonio and Miguel Cotto,” said Bob Arum of Top Rank Boxing. “Both of them got an ass-whipping from Manny. I ran out of my own guys. He’s beat all my guys.”

Mayweather (41-0) is a different class of fighter than those men. He’s a darting, defensive wizard who would offer the most formidable technical challenge to Pacquiao. It’s why everyone wants to see the fight made.

At this point, though, Pacquiao has separated himself and each hellacious beating he hands out serves as a new round of caution. Pacquiao isn’t just fast. He isn’t just skilled. He is a destructive force. And increasingly he’s shown to possess a formidable chin. If Pacquiao can put his back on the ropes and take the best shots of Margarito and Cotto, you wonder how the lighter-punching Mayweather could possibly hurt him.

“I can’t believe I beat someone this big and this strong,” Pacquiao said.
Manny Pacquiao's beatdown of Antonio Margarito was a brutal as it was impressive.
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Pacquiao’s winning wasn’t a surprise (he was more than a three-to-one favorite). Margarito’s face being turned into a mangled mess as some fans screamed from ringside for the fight to be called was. Why the ref and ringside doctor allowed it to continue remains a mystery. Pacquiao disabled Margarito’s reach, height and strength advantage with barrage after barrage of swift, precise combinations. It was equal parts brilliant and brutal.

“My opponent looked bad and I wanted the ref to stop,” Pacquiao said. “I didn’t want to damage him permanently. That is not what boxing is about.”

Margarito refused to quit – “I’m a Mexican and we fight to the end,” he said. His corner said they couldn’t throw in the towel on such a warrior. It was all so foolish; their fighter caught two or three extra rounds of savage punches.

“He has the worst corner,” said Pacquiao’s trainer, Freddie Roach. “It probably ruined his career by not stopping the fight.… He might never fight again. He took too many unnecessary punches.”

That’s the danger of stepping into the ring with this guy. He’s not just winning fights; he’s altering, if not ending, careers.

Mayweather has found a hundred ways to avoid Pacquiao and increasingly it all makes sense. He was right to demand strict drug testing. But as the Pacquiao camp moved significantly on that issue and agreed to a reasonable timetable, Mayweather ran out of viable excuses. His mouth has run too long and too hard to reverse course now. So instead we keep getting delays and excuses and self-destructive behavior.

“After this great performance, Mayweather needs to put up or shut up or move out of the country,” Roach said. “Face it, Manny’s way above him at this point. I remember when was ducking Margarito. If he doesn’t fight Manny now we know this guy should retire.”

Both Arum and HBO’s Ross Greenburg said they’d reach out to the Mayweather camp again this week but why would this time be any different? The pile of money – maybe $100 million plus – remains on the table, but now both Mayweather and his trainer/uncle Roger are dealing with significant legal issues in separate domestic violence incidents.

“We wouldn’t want to be blindsided by something like a trial,” Arum noted.

Legal woes should serve as one more roadblock that Mayweather can use. If you’re Floyd Jr., what’s the rush anyway? How many opponents need to be sent to the hospital to try to avoid being the next one?

Mayweather has never faced a relentless force like this. They just don’t exist. Pacquiao threw an astounding 713 power punches and landed an equally astounding 53 percent of them. It’s what carved Margarito’s face to bits.

It was ugly. It was violent. It was an unmistakable message to the one opponent everyone wants to see next.

No one dodges a punch like Mayweather. And the best way to slip Pacquiao’s blinding combination is to keep finding a way to stay out of the ring.

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Freddie Roach, Manny Pacquiao's trainer, said he believed that Antonio Margarito's trainer, Robert Garcia, should have stopped the fight in the eighth or the ninth round. Pacquiao was landing countless hard shots on Saturday night at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas. By the twelfth round, both of Margarito's eyes were nearly swollen shut, his face was badly swollen and he sustained several bad cuts.

The punishment was enough to make Pacquiao pull back on his punches in the final two rounds. Roach believes the beating was so brutal that Margarito may never fight again.

"I thought for sure that he would quit, but he has a lot of balls. But I truly, truly think that your job as a trainer is to protect your fighter. His corner, they should have saved him. He'll probably never fight again. He took too many unnecessary punches and too much unnecessary punishment. That was too much punishment to me," said Roach.

Roach has witnessed Pacquiao dish out a lot of punishment over the years, but the fight with Margarito was the most brutal beating that he ever saw his Filipino champion execute. Roach doesn't understand why Garcia allowed the punishment to continue in those last couple of rounds.

"After eight rounds, it was over, and it was just a matter of time. This is the worst beating I've ever seen Manny give to a fighter, accumulation-wise, number of punches landed, I mean, he took a lot of shots," said Roach. "I know that he's a very resilient guy, and he's a tough guy who has no quit in him, but the corner man is supposed to protect his fighter, and sometimes, you have to make those decisions. I don't know why they didn't stop the fight."

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ARLINGTON, Texas – When Top Rank chairman Bob Arum said last November that he considered Manny Pacquiao the best fighter he’d ever seen, it seemed at the time as little more than promoter hyperbole.

A successful salesman like Arum is always pitching and conjuring new ways to sell his next fight. Arum began promoting boxing in 1966 and handled legends like Muhammad Ali, George Foreman, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran, “Marvelous” Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Julio Cesar Chavez.

After watching Pacquiao decimate opponent after opponent over the last two-plus years, perhaps Arum isn’t as batty as we all thought.
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Dominating a slow and one-dimensional fighter like Antonio Margarito, such as Pacquiao did Saturday in winning a wide unanimous decision before 41,734 at Cowboys Stadium, doesn’t make one the equal of legends like Ali, Leonard and Hagler, et al.

Pacquiao, though, is far more dominant against his opposition than the likes of Leonard and others ever were versus theirs. Ali had grueling battles against guys like Joe Frazier and Ken Norton. Leonard was in pitched battles with Duran, Hearns and Hagler.

Pacquiao is further ahead of the field now than the great Secretariat was in the 1973 Belmont. He defeated Margarito by scores of 120-108, 119-109 and 118-110 despite being outweighed by 17 pounds when the bell rang. Margarito, who weighed 150 at Friday’s weigh-in, was 165 after rehydrating. Margarito had advantages of 17 pounds, 4½ inches in height and 6½ inches of reach, but looked like he would have needed sticks and clubs, as well as loaded gloves, to even be competitive with the blazingly fast Filipino.

Pacquiao said it was difficult, though it didn’t appear he had many problems.

“I really had a hard fight and this was the hardest fight in my boxing career,” Pacquiao said. “Margarito is really tough and strong. I felt it. He is really big, bigger than me. I wanted to give a good fight and I wanted to make the people happy. It’s why sometimes I fought him toe-to-toe. It’s what the people wanted.”

Pacquiao gave the fans everything they could have wanted and more. He said he knew he had the fight by the third round, but he did take some hard body shots that he conceded hurt him.

Pacquiao cracked Margarito with an uppercut in the fourth round that opened a wound under Margarito’s right eye and nearly closed it. By the 11th round, Pacquiao was looking pleadingly at referee Laurence Cole in hopes that Cole would show mercy on Margarito and end it.

Cole, perhaps, wanted to see Margarito get his just desserts after attempting to enter the ring with an illegal knuckle pad in his hand wraps before a 2009 fight in Los Angeles with Shane Mosley. There was little sense in letting the bout continue Saturday and trainer Robert Garcia’s assertion that Margarito is a “warrior who wouldn’t allow me to stop it” is ridiculous. A trainer’s job is to protect his fighter and know when he’s had enough. Margarito had enough by the eighth round – the rest of the punishment he took was gratuitous.

“I wish they had stopped the fight,” Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach said. “They probably ruined his career by not stopping the fight.”

Next on the agenda is a phone call to Mayweather to see if he has interest in the fight. There are significant obstacles to overcome, but Mayweather is the only man who could be remotely competitive with him.

Mayweather has legal issues – he has a court date on Jan. 24 and faces up to 34 years in prison if convicted on all counts – that have to be overcome in addition to agreeing upon a deal.

Roach, who was one of the most exciting fighters of the 1980s when Leonard, Duran and Hagler were dominating the sport, called Pacquiao the best of his era and suggested he would have been more than competitive in any era. It’s difficult to disagree with him.

“It’s so hard to compare eras,” Roach said. “We could argue all night long. Why not leave it at this: Manny Pacquiao is the best of his era.”

Mosley, who was routed by Mayweather in May and drew with Sergio Mora in September, attended the fight with his new manager, James Prince. Mosley still owns a portion of Golden Boy Promotions, but Prince said he’s a promotional free agent who can sign or fight for any promoter.

Prince said a Pacquiao-Mosley fight would not be difficult to make. And Mosley said he thinks he could do better than some of Pacquiao’s recent opponents.

“I saw some things I think I could take advantage of,” said Mosley, who might be easier to take seriously if he were 29 instead of 39.

At this stage, Pacquiao’s only measuring stick is history. As great as Leonard was, he never dominated multi-time champions the way Pacquiao is doing. Leonard was exceptionally fast, a hard puncher, a smart defensive fighter and as tough as they come, but Arum wasn’t willing to say he was Pacquiao’s equal.

“Ray Leonard is a great friend of mine and he was a great fighter, but he doesn’t compare to Manny Pacquiao, in my opinion,” Arum said. “Ray had great, great skills, great heart, and he was a tremendous fighter, but he didn’t have the same type of extraordinary skills that Pacquiao has.

“Julio Cesar Chavez was a great, great fighter. Sitting in front of me was a guy a lot of people say is the greatest fighter they’ve ever seen, Roberto Duran. These guys are truly great fighters, but they do not compare to Manny Pacquiao, in my opinion.”

Last November, those kinds of words could have been dismissed as promoter hype or the silly rants of a nearly 80-year-old man.

Today? Well, it’s hard to argue. Pacquiao still has to face the ultimate test, the fast, speedy, in-his-prime opponent that Mayweather would be, but it takes two to say yes and Mayweather continues to throw up road blocks.

There may have been better fighters than Manny Pacquiao in the last 50 years, but their numbers were few and their talent level was exceptionally high.

Without question, Manny Pacquiao is an all-time great.

And that’s not just promoter hyperbole.

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>ARLINGTON, Texas – When Top Rank chairman Bob Arum said last
>November that he considered Manny Pacquiao the best fighter
>he’d ever seen, it seemed at the time as little more than
>promoter hyperbole.
>
>A successful salesman like Arum is always pitching and
>conjuring new ways to sell his next fight. Arum began
>promoting boxing in 1966 and handled legends like Muhammad
>Ali, George Foreman, Sugar Ray Leonard, Roberto Duran,
>“Marvelous” Marvin Hagler, Thomas Hearns, Floyd Mayweather Jr.
>and Julio Cesar Chavez.
>
>After watching Pacquiao decimate opponent after opponent over
>the last two-plus years, perhaps Arum isn’t as batty as we all
>thought.
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>Dominating a slow and one-dimensional fighter like Antonio
>Margarito, such as Pacquiao did Saturday in winning a wide
>unanimous decision before 41,734 at Cowboys Stadium, doesn’t
>make one the equal of legends like Ali, Leonard and Hagler, et
>al.
>
>Pacquiao, though, is far more dominant against his opposition
>than the likes of Leonard and others ever were versus theirs.
>Ali had grueling battles against guys like Joe Frazier and Ken
>Norton. Leonard was in pitched battles with Duran, Hearns and
>Hagler.
>
>Pacquiao is further ahead of the field now than the great
>Secretariat was in the 1973 Belmont. He defeated Margarito by
>scores of 120-108, 119-109 and 118-110 despite being
>outweighed by 17 pounds when the bell rang. Margarito, who
>weighed 150 at Friday’s weigh-in, was 165 after rehydrating.
>Margarito had advantages of 17 pounds, 4½ inches in height and
>6½ inches of reach, but looked like he would have needed
>sticks and clubs, as well as loaded gloves, to even be
>competitive with the blazingly fast Filipino.
>
>Pacquiao said it was difficult, though it didn’t appear he had
>many problems.
>
>“I really had a hard fight and this was the hardest fight in
>my boxing career,” Pacquiao said. “Margarito is really tough
>and strong. I felt it. He is really big, bigger than me. I
>wanted to give a good fight and I wanted to make the people
>happy. It’s why sometimes I fought him toe-to-toe. It’s what
>the people wanted.”
>
>Pacquiao gave the fans everything they could have wanted and
>more. He said he knew he had the fight by the third round, but
>he did take some hard body shots that he conceded hurt him.
>
>Pacquiao cracked Margarito with an uppercut in the fourth
>round that opened a wound under Margarito’s right eye and
>nearly closed it. By the 11th round, Pacquiao was looking
>pleadingly at referee Laurence Cole in hopes that Cole would
>show mercy on Margarito and end it.
>
>Cole, perhaps, wanted to see Margarito get his just desserts
>after attempting to enter the ring with an illegal knuckle pad
>in his hand wraps before a 2009 fight in Los Angeles with
>Shane Mosley. There was little sense in letting the bout
>continue Saturday and trainer Robert Garcia’s assertion that
>Margarito is a “warrior who wouldn’t allow me to stop it” is
>ridiculous. A trainer’s job is to protect his fighter and know
>when he’s had enough. Margarito had enough by the eighth round
>– the rest of the punishment he took was gratuitous.
>
>“I wish they had stopped the fight,” Pacquiao trainer Freddie
>Roach said. “They probably ruined his career by not stopping
>the fight.”
>
>Next on the agenda is a phone call to Mayweather to see if he
>has interest in the fight. There are significant obstacles to
>overcome, but Mayweather is the only man who could be remotely
>competitive with him.
>
>Mayweather has legal issues – he has a court date on Jan. 24
>and faces up to 34 years in prison if convicted on all counts
>– that have to be overcome in addition to agreeing upon a
>deal.
>
>Roach, who was one of the most exciting fighters of the 1980s
>when Leonard, Duran and Hagler were dominating the sport,
>called Pacquiao the best of his era and suggested he would
>have been more than competitive in any era. It’s difficult to
>disagree with him.
>
>“It’s so hard to compare eras,” Roach said. “We could argue
>all night long. Why not leave it at this: Manny Pacquiao is
>the best of his era.”
>
>Mosley, who was routed by Mayweather in May and drew with
>Sergio Mora in September, attended the fight with his new
>manager, James Prince. Mosley still owns a portion of Golden
>Boy Promotions, but Prince said he’s a promotional free agent
>who can sign or fight for any promoter.
>
>Prince said a Pacquiao-Mosley fight would not be difficult to
>make. And Mosley said he thinks he could do better than some
>of Pacquiao’s recent opponents.
>
>“I saw some things I think I could take advantage of,” said
>Mosley, who might be easier to take seriously if he were 29
>instead of 39.
>
>At this stage, Pacquiao’s only measuring stick is history. As
>great as Leonard was, he never dominated multi-time champions
>the way Pacquiao is doing. Leonard was exceptionally fast, a
>hard puncher, a smart defensive fighter and as tough as they
>come, but Arum wasn’t willing to say he was Pacquiao’s equal.
>
>“Ray Leonard is a great friend of mine and he was a great
>fighter, but he doesn’t compare to Manny Pacquiao, in my
>opinion,” Arum said. “Ray had great, great skills, great
>heart, and he was a tremendous fighter, but he didn’t have the
>same type of extraordinary skills that Pacquiao has.
>
>“Julio Cesar Chavez was a great, great fighter. Sitting in
>front of me was a guy a lot of people say is the greatest
>fighter they’ve ever seen, Roberto Duran. These guys are truly
>great fighters, but they do not compare to Manny Pacquiao, in
>my opinion.”
>
>Last November, those kinds of words could have been dismissed
>as promoter hype or the silly rants of a nearly 80-year-old
>man.
>
>Today? Well, it’s hard to argue. Pacquiao still has to face
>the ultimate test, the fast, speedy, in-his-prime opponent
>that Mayweather would be, but it takes two to say yes and
>Mayweather continues to throw up road blocks.
>
>There may have been better fighters than Manny Pacquiao in the
>last 50 years, but their numbers were few and their talent
>level was exceptionally high.
>
>Without question, Manny Pacquiao is an all-time great.
>
>And that’s not just promoter hyperbole.

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I hate going Basaglia on ya'll. But ya'll gettin gassed. Love Pac the fighter. Hate his camp. But ya'll are buggin. The only thing we've learned from these past 3 fights is Pac can take a punch. Which is great. However, Floyd's not going to be hitting him to knock him out. He's going to be hitting him to win and not get hit. Ya'll buggin. And I think it's interesting that a dominant win against a slow fighter who hasn't fought since he was caught cheating and gained 16 lbs from the weigh in is somehow more impressive than making a fighter considered the 3rd best fighter in your weight class look like a sparring partner. #nocatchweight

1.Its not about who hits harder, its about who is harder to hit.

Advantage Floyd

2. Speed kills (its why both look so much better than their opponents) Fighters dont throw when there are lots of punches coming back.

whats Manny going to do if Floyd decides to push the action?

Tiny Advantage to Floyd

3. Who can better adjust their gameplan if things aint working?

we've seen Floyd do it, can Manny?

Advantage Floyd


Very Very Good and close fight, but in the end floyd can match anything Manny can do, but can the same be said about Pacquiao?

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http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/news/story?id=5805223

Antonio Margarito, the Mexican super welterweight beaten badly by Manny Pacquiao on Saturday night, suffered a fractured orbital bone to his face and was expected to stay in the hospital for observation through at least Sunday night, an executive with Margarito's promotions company said.

Margarito, who lost in a lopsided, 12-round decision, was taken directly to the hospital via ambulance after the fight to have cuts to his face examined.

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Robyn Beck/AFP/Getty Images Antonio Margarito listens to members of his team in his corner between rounds 10 and 11 on Saturday night during his loss to Manny Pacquiao.

That is when the injury to his eye socket was discovered, Top Rank executive Carl Moretti told ESPN.com's Dan Rafael in an e-mail Sunday.

Margarito skipped the postfight news conference at the request of the fight doctor and people in his camp, an unusual move for a fight of this magnitude.

Legendary Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach was critical of the late-round decision-making of Margarito's corner, saying they should have forced a stoppage.

"There was no way I was gong to quit. I'm a Mexican, we fight until the end," Margarito said.

Pacquiao (52-3-2, 38 KOs), giving away both pounds and inches, won the WBC super welterweight belt to extend his record with a title in an eighth weight class -- two more than Oscar De La Hoya's six.

"He's a very tough guy," Roach said of Margarito (38-7, 27 KOs). "I was surprised how tough he was. He has the worst corner. They probably ruined his career by not stopping the fight."

Pacquiao turned Margarito into a bloody and nearly blind fighter with a dizzying array of punches, dominating from the opening rounds on at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, Texas.

The beating was so thorough that the congressman from the Philippines turned to referee Laurence Cole several times in the 11th round, imploring him to stop the fight.

"I told the referee, 'Look at his eyes, look at his cuts,' " Pacquiao said. "I did not want to damage him permanently. That's not what boxing is about."

It went on, though, even though Margarito had no chance to win.


Rafael: Pacman Clearly Among Greatest

In proving size doesn't matter, Manny Pacquiao added to his legend by claiming a title in his eighth weight class, ESPN.com's Dan Rafael writes. Story

"I can't believe that I beat someone this big and this strong," Pacquiao said. "It's hard. I really do my best to win the fight."

Pacquiao moved up in weight yet again to take on Margarito, a natural welterweight with a reputation for ruggedness in the ring.

And rugged he was, though he took a beating all night long at the hands of a faster and seemingly more powerful opponent.

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can't even fathom that kind of tolerance for pain

b) There is no reason for anyone to believe that he
can beat Pacquiao at this stage. None at all. Sorry.

making demands beyond the regulations and guidelines of professional boxing's governing bodies. So he decides that he is going to clean up boxing by making his own drug testing guidelines which are more comparable to Olympic testing. How is that going to clean up boxing when he only fights once every two years. Steroids have been used in competitive sports for over 40 years, before PBF was born. His boxing career spans over 20 years, and drug testing is an issue now???

The analogy I came up with is an NFL coach demanding that the opponents piss in a cup before the star-spangled banner at the Super Bowl. Its ridiculous. Your a professional boxer, you've fought within their guidelines for your whole career, but now you want to clean up the sport. I always thought corruption, fight fixing, etc...were what was wrong with boxing because last time I checked guys like Vargas and Mosley were getting busted for PEDs under the current guidelines set by boxing's governing body.

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the problem is, in the last negotiations Manny agreed to all the testing demands and Floyd stil wouldn't take the fight.

so fuck it. if Floyd doesn't take this fight in 2011 he will always be remembered as a ducker and a coward.

and the biggest fight of this millenium is the stage he chooses to make it an issue. it wasn't an issue for him in the previous 20 years of boxing, but he chooses to make that an issue v Pac

its a mere coincidence that the first fighter to agree to his outrageous testing demands is not only a golden boy fighter, but also a stock holder in the same promotion company that represents PBF (Shane), who also needed to prove that he is now clean after previously pissing hot. C'mon son

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... suspicion. not sayin Manny took anything but there's damn sure reason to believe he very well could be.
of course the Shane fight was a chess move. Shane needed a big fight so bad he would have gave his left nut if Floyd put it in the contract.
either way, Manny is suspect and should take the test, if for nothing else then to silence the critics and prove to the fans he's not another Marg. the boxing comission tests are a joke. and speaking of that cheatin bastard, i think it's quite possible Margarito was on that shit too. this mufucka was CHISELLED like never before, especially in the photos i saw of him during training camp... but i digress. Manny, take the test. Floyd, get ya nuts outta ya stomach.

making demands, I don't see his name on this list

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?page=boxing/champions/index

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If Floyd ends up bustin Pac's ass next year, that's going to be the meme. Pac isn't the same fighter. Pac looked just as great as he always has. Acting like he never got hit before last night is retarded.

manny looked great against a bigger man imo
max was trying trick floyd scared ass into taking the fight
bwhwhahahahahah

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That performance by Freddie Roach on 24/7 should win him an Oscar (or would it be an Emmy). He was all, we're not training the way we should for this fight, his schedule is too hectic, i'm concerned, etc...People underestimate him based on his disease. They see this feeble shell of a man, but he might just be a genius

No way his camp is going into a fight unless Pac is ready. They would have postponed the fight otherwise. But, of course, I'm dumb enough to fall for the drama and spend a Saturday night watching Margarito get transformed into the kid from the movie Mask (Rocky)
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:WOESjMiF335clM:http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn261/Queenk1783/mask003.jpg&t=1
Max barely kept a straight face while he was saying that ish (might have been the herpes scar that looked like a smirk)

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wanna do the weight training shit he's been doing
i believe his coasted thru camp
that's why he was breathing out his mouth in round 1,lol
that's just a testament to his will and heart to fight thru it and still dominate a bigger fighter
i think he would prepare correctly for a fight against floyd tho and beast him for 12 rounds

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Didn't Sugar Shane already kick this fraud ngaz ass? Isn't that WHY Sugar Share got the fight PBF to begin with? You know, the same PBF who the DESTROYED Shane - lol


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You PBF stans are missing the point

Everybody who isn't dick riding PBF like yourself and people of your ilk are pretty much pissed off that we have to watch some bogus ass fight like last night's cuz your boyfriend won't sign

Stop trying to call people out for having a reasonable viewpoint that isn't skewed by some obsession. We want to see the fight because it is the best fight out there, its really not more complicated than that, and all indications point to PBF copping pleas

deal with it

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