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"RIP SEAN TAYLOR"
Tue Nov-27-07 07:10 AM by CyrenYoung

  

          

http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=5038423&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Fox 5 News has confirmed that Washington Redskins Safety Sean Taylor was shot outside of his Miami home around 2:00am Monday.

The Miami Dade Police Department is currently investigating the situation.

Taylor is currently undergoing treatment at Jackson Memorial Hospital in Florida.

Taylor was selected by the Redskins in the first round of the 2004 NFL Draft.

He was named to his first Pro Bowl following a season in which he led the Redskins' defense in tackles.

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"I'm a fly young man, check my wingspan."

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R.I.P. Sean Taylor

  

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I'm praying for him...
Nov 26th 2007
1
Shot by intruder..... in his artery. fuck.
Nov 26th 2007
2
got damn
Nov 26th 2007
3
man this is really sad
Nov 26th 2007
4
I'm shocked
Nov 26th 2007
5
aw man dammit!
Nov 26th 2007
6
'this isn't his first brush with the law'
Nov 26th 2007
7
Exactly, let the bullshit begin.
Nov 26th 2007
13
yeah for sure
Nov 26th 2007
16
I'll shoot the first mf that mentions an ATV
Nov 26th 2007
22
      Not ATVs but...
Nov 26th 2007
34
           how the is getting shot in your own home a "brush with the law"?
Nov 26th 2007
40
                payback?
Nov 26th 2007
43
                     They make this sound like the second time he's got in trouble
Nov 26th 2007
44
                          i agree with 99% of what you said
Nov 26th 2007
45
already heard "while he APPEARS to be the victim THIS TIME"
Nov 26th 2007
77
THIS TIME???? When did he ever actually shoot someone? SMH
Nov 26th 2007
112
      Spitting..shooting..shooting...spitting....one in the same I guess
Nov 26th 2007
113
           I blame spitballs
Nov 26th 2007
119
                spitballs to an artery put me out of commision for a few back in the day
Nov 26th 2007
121
yeah ESPN is really getting on my shit list
Nov 28th 2007
298
oh, you know it.
Nov 26th 2007
26
Prayers.
Nov 26th 2007
8
In the groin? Ouch.
Nov 26th 2007
9
In the groin? Ouch.
Nov 26th 2007
10
SUCKS...hope he gets better
Nov 26th 2007
11
scary as shit
Nov 26th 2007
12
he's in critical condition
Nov 26th 2007
14
Sean is in critical condtion, an artery was hit....(c) Sportstalk 980
Nov 26th 2007
15
oh shit
Nov 26th 2007
21
Damn, prayers are definetly going out.
Nov 26th 2007
23
That's fucking terrible. Will Goodell suspend him?
Nov 26th 2007
17
hope he survives, one of the few safeties worth a shit in the NFL
Nov 26th 2007
18
Damn. Hope he recovers
Nov 26th 2007
19
I hope he makes it nm
Nov 26th 2007
20
Prayers to him
Nov 26th 2007
24
'
Nov 26th 2007
25
DAMN, DAMN, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYUMN!!!
Nov 26th 2007
27
WTF!!!
Nov 26th 2007
28
wow
Nov 26th 2007
29
Damn...
Nov 26th 2007
30
Awful
Nov 26th 2007
31
Damn. All the best.
Nov 26th 2007
32
Wow, I'm speechless...
Nov 26th 2007
33
i can't be the only one
Nov 26th 2007
35
*sigh* nigga shit...please God, let him live
Nov 26th 2007
36
That's not selfish.
Nov 26th 2007
38
prayers
Nov 26th 2007
37
I'm gonna go ahead and agree with Lach on this one
Nov 26th 2007
39
???
Nov 26th 2007
46
Do you mean Lou RE: guns?
Nov 26th 2007
74
      haha -- yeah, I mean Lou -- sorry Lach
Nov 26th 2007
109
Update: still in critical condition
Nov 26th 2007
41
I'ma put this in the GD post, if you haven't already
Nov 26th 2007
47
on some real shit, he's the realest REDSKIN on that team for real
Nov 26th 2007
42
define real
Nov 26th 2007
53
      he plays that raw football to me
Nov 26th 2007
56
More: he's in a coma, might be "stabilizing"
Nov 26th 2007
48
I don't care how "stabilized" he is, coma is a negative ass word
Nov 26th 2007
50
a Coma *can* be a good thing, if its induced to stabilize
Nov 26th 2007
57
      yeah, in this case
Nov 26th 2007
73
a coma!?!?!?!?
Nov 26th 2007
55
Damn!
Nov 26th 2007
49
Damn...it
Nov 26th 2007
51
My Prayers
Nov 26th 2007
52
prayers
Nov 26th 2007
54
they got all the way to his bedroom when they shot him?
Nov 26th 2007
58
they wanted him dead, so they aimed at his leg?
Nov 26th 2007
59
femoral artery...you can bleed to death quickly if that's severed
Nov 26th 2007
61
      so they aimed for his femoral artery to kill him?
Nov 26th 2007
62
           if you know where the major arteries and such are you can.
Nov 26th 2007
65
                RE: if you know where the major arteries and such are you can.
Nov 27th 2007
200
reportedly...
Nov 26th 2007
60
Wilbon's an asshole
Nov 26th 2007
63
damn what a douche
Nov 26th 2007
64
What a piece of shit.
Nov 26th 2007
76
Wilbon lost some respect on this one
Nov 26th 2007
94
I like Wilbon but sometimes he can be a dumbass.
Nov 26th 2007
124
That disturbed me too when I read it yesterday...
Nov 27th 2007
202
      Wilbon was operating off more info than us...
Nov 27th 2007
219
           I Agree With You On This Point......
Nov 27th 2007
248
                yeah...
Nov 27th 2007
261
Prayers.
Nov 26th 2007
66
Has Goodell suspended him for getting shot yet?
Nov 26th 2007
67
i laughed
Nov 26th 2007
90
From JLC: Sean Taylor "Clinging To Life"
Nov 26th 2007
68
man this is unbelievable
Nov 26th 2007
69
fuck
Nov 26th 2007
70
oh man
Nov 26th 2007
72
No postjacko, but dude has a machete at his bedside?
Nov 26th 2007
75
      he's not allowed to own a gun
Nov 26th 2007
78
           But still, of all weapons to own... a machete?
Nov 26th 2007
80
                Besides Dwight Schrute I cant think of anyone
Nov 26th 2007
81
                I thought Dwight used a blowdart?
Nov 26th 2007
83
                Ugie Urbina style
Nov 26th 2007
84
                chinese stars would be bad ass too
Nov 26th 2007
82
                I actually keep one in my truck for that purpose.
Nov 26th 2007
85
                That's terrifying n/m
Nov 26th 2007
88
                     lol
Nov 26th 2007
101
                he lives in Miami. Jamaican influence.
Nov 26th 2007
96
                i keep one in my trunk...
Nov 26th 2007
102
                RE: But still, of all weapons to own... a machete?
Nov 26th 2007
103
                     Goddamn! You take your Halloween serious, ay?
Nov 26th 2007
120
shit i hope he makes it...this is sounding really serious...
Nov 26th 2007
71
got fucking damnit
Nov 26th 2007
79
Thats...
Nov 26th 2007
86
yeah, this is nuts. I hope he can come back and have a
Nov 26th 2007
87
yo, this is crazy, prayers to ST and his fam, what is the deal with
Nov 26th 2007
89
I hope he pulls thru...
Nov 26th 2007
91
damn dude was my second fav safety in the league (after williams)
Nov 26th 2007
92
Prayers for him and his family and friends
Nov 26th 2007
93
Interesting point made about this occuring on a Sunday...
Nov 26th 2007
95
that is a good point. this is horrid. wow.
Nov 26th 2007
97
      RE: that is a good point. this is horrid. wow.
Nov 26th 2007
98
           RE: that is a good point. this is horrid. wow.
Nov 26th 2007
99
           would a fiance be entitled to any money in a situation like this?
Nov 26th 2007
106
                you stay classy, oksports
Nov 26th 2007
114
                     it's a question idiot
Nov 26th 2007
122
Fuck people tryin to blame Taylor
Nov 26th 2007
100
Its instinctive with white people, unfortunately.
Nov 26th 2007
108
      damn i agree 100%
Nov 28th 2007
299
      truth..
Nov 28th 2007
304
praying for him
Nov 26th 2007
104
Good News! Sean Taylor Responsive
Nov 26th 2007
105
good. baby steps
Nov 26th 2007
115
      That's HUGE news if true.
Nov 26th 2007
118
local news says he flatlined twice earlier today
Nov 26th 2007
107
Lord, help him
Nov 26th 2007
111
I hope the man recovers from this.
Nov 26th 2007
110
On Comcast tonight, they said he responded to doctor's..
Nov 26th 2007
116
They said though on Fox that he could possibly get brain damage
Nov 26th 2007
117
yea it seems to be conflicting reports out there
Nov 26th 2007
125
my brother did too, and he didn't make it. keep praying for him
Nov 26th 2007
123
      blessings to you and your fam, again...n/m
Nov 26th 2007
126
Gregg Williams with some real talk (link)
Nov 27th 2007
127
Everytime this gets upped I hope its good news
Nov 27th 2007
128
This is fucking with me.
Nov 27th 2007
129
Breaking News
Nov 27th 2007
130
CNN's reporting it now - RIP to the dude.
Nov 27th 2007
131
RIP SeanTaylor
Nov 27th 2007
132
RIP
Nov 27th 2007
133
R.I.P.
Nov 27th 2007
134
This is just awful
Nov 27th 2007
135
R.I.P.
Nov 27th 2007
136
God bless him
Nov 27th 2007
137
seeing 1983-2007 hit me in a damn strange way
Nov 27th 2007
138
respect due...
Nov 27th 2007
139
An absolutely senseless killing.
Nov 27th 2007
140
Broadcasters about to have a field day with this one...
Nov 27th 2007
141
they better not
Nov 27th 2007
151
it's already started
Nov 27th 2007
153
      fuckers...which asshole host said that shit?
Nov 27th 2007
160
      don't ask me why, but I turned to WMAL this morning
Nov 27th 2007
163
           *smh*
Nov 27th 2007
169
                Too bad Steinberg of the Post isn't.
Nov 27th 2007
194
      Just wait until you see the piece on ESPNews
Nov 27th 2007
231
           RE: Just wait until you see the piece on ESPNews
Nov 27th 2007
246
RIP
Nov 27th 2007
142
unreal
Nov 27th 2007
143
nooooooooooooooooooooooo
Nov 27th 2007
144
damn RIP
Nov 27th 2007
145
RIP
Nov 27th 2007
146
R.I.P.
Nov 27th 2007
147
Damn, That's awful. RIP.
Nov 27th 2007
148
He was the most talented Safety I've ever seen play the game.
Nov 27th 2007
149
Cosign. I was looking forward to watching his development
Nov 27th 2007
206
Damn, RIP
Nov 27th 2007
150
My condolences to his family, friends, and Skins fans.
Nov 27th 2007
152
oh no. RIP.
Nov 27th 2007
154
such a tragedy
Nov 27th 2007
155
RIP.
Nov 27th 2007
156
unimaginable tragedy.
Nov 27th 2007
157
RIP ~ So Sad...So Unnecessary
Nov 27th 2007
158
I'm so fucked up right now. I forget how young these guys are.
Nov 27th 2007
159
RE: I'm so fucked up right now. I forget how young these guys are.
Nov 27th 2007
167
      ditto
Nov 27th 2007
173
      he was younger than my little brother
Nov 27th 2007
177
I Really Feel For His Family. RIP.
Nov 27th 2007
161
This is so sad.
Nov 27th 2007
162
Rest in peace, Sean
Nov 27th 2007
164
RIP
Nov 27th 2007
165
RIP
Nov 27th 2007
166
Um, the phone line at the house was cut? WTF?
Nov 27th 2007
168
the espn article said that in the previous break in last week
Nov 27th 2007
174
jesus christ
Nov 27th 2007
199
it has to be...
Nov 27th 2007
208
IF it was a hit
Nov 27th 2007
211
I'm wondering the same thing.
Nov 27th 2007
214
yes...also from the miami herald:
Nov 27th 2007
216
      Black Maybe
Nov 27th 2007
222
           Great Common song
Nov 29th 2007
329
what?
Nov 27th 2007
230
See, the only thing about this "hit" theory to me is this......
Nov 27th 2007
224
      You brought up some good points
Nov 29th 2007
330
no...way.....
Nov 27th 2007
170
shit... RIP.
Nov 27th 2007
171
damn...
Nov 27th 2007
172
R.I.P. to my favorite Redskin...
Nov 27th 2007
175
Jesus Christ. I didn't expect to read this this morning. Awful
Nov 27th 2007
176
Sad...so young, this is terrible.
Nov 27th 2007
178
Fuck. RIP. Thoughts to his family.
Nov 27th 2007
179
Mike and Mike
Nov 27th 2007
180
Everyone that knew him has the same opinion
Nov 27th 2007
181
      Yeah
Nov 27th 2007
184
time to blame hip-hop on this one
Nov 27th 2007
182
RIP ...man this is terrible
Nov 27th 2007
183
R.I.P.
Nov 27th 2007
185
my condolences to the family
Nov 27th 2007
186
my God..
Nov 27th 2007
187
As a Giant fan...
Nov 27th 2007
188
As a Giant fan...
Nov 27th 2007
189
As a Giant fan...
Nov 27th 2007
190
damn rip.
Nov 27th 2007
191
RIP
Nov 27th 2007
192
rip
Nov 27th 2007
193
Damn this is fucked up
Nov 27th 2007
195
I'm just blown
Nov 27th 2007
196
RE: I'm just blown
Nov 27th 2007
204
      I can't see ANYBODY wearing #21 for the burgandy and gold...
Nov 27th 2007
207
      21
Nov 27th 2007
278
damn, RIP
Nov 27th 2007
197
RIP. Awful
Nov 27th 2007
198
DAMN that's fucked up and sad. RIP
Nov 27th 2007
201
oh my god...this is not what i wanted to wake up to...RIP
Nov 27th 2007
203
I'm crushed.
Nov 27th 2007
205
This is so senseless.... RIP
Nov 27th 2007
209
Celebrate the man
Nov 27th 2007
210
Any word on finding the shooter?
Nov 27th 2007
212
I'm going to this funeral, this ish is really really sad.
Nov 27th 2007
213
shocked-- RIP
Nov 27th 2007
215
This some bullshyt man!
Nov 27th 2007
217
ASSHOLE PIECES OF SHIT ARE TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON EBAY
Nov 27th 2007
218
To be fair... most of the jerseys up there were posted before he was sho...
Nov 27th 2007
226
      "one day only auction" and shit, yeah i feel you...
Nov 27th 2007
229
Tragic loss. RIP. Bless his family and seed.
Nov 27th 2007
220
R. I. P. Sean
Nov 27th 2007
221
Jeez. So horrible. R.I.P.
Nov 27th 2007
223
r.i.p...
Nov 27th 2007
225
Damn, RIP
Nov 27th 2007
227
They're doing it now on Mike & the Maddog in NY
Nov 27th 2007
235
Wilbon on SportsTalk980 now doing some backing off
Nov 27th 2007
228
good....
Nov 27th 2007
232
good for him
Nov 27th 2007
247
yeah i was listening
Nov 27th 2007
251
Makes me sick
Nov 27th 2007
233
THE BEST SHIT JEMELE HILL HAS EVER WRITTEN *SWIPE*
Nov 27th 2007
234
yep.
Nov 27th 2007
238
That was good stuff
Nov 27th 2007
242
She's been on fire lately.
Nov 27th 2007
249
yeah she really has
Nov 28th 2007
302
more rhetoric and no solutions
Nov 27th 2007
256
      I agree with you.
Nov 27th 2007
274
      I kind of agree, especially since athletes are in a relatively powerful ...
Nov 27th 2007
282
What a senseless tragedy, RIP
Nov 27th 2007
236
reading over some old Post articles
Nov 27th 2007
237
my favorite athlete ever. I cried this morning. nm
Nov 27th 2007
239
john thompson droppin that science on sportstalk980 right now
Nov 27th 2007
240
RIP... such a tragedy...
Nov 27th 2007
241
tragic..R.I.P.
Nov 27th 2007
243
Horrible.....RIP
Nov 27th 2007
244
Interesting blog post
Nov 27th 2007
245
Ryan Stewart from 790 The Zone knows some of the family
Nov 27th 2007
250
RIP.
Nov 27th 2007
252
R.I.P.
Nov 27th 2007
253
Portis is on the John Thompson show on 980 right now
Nov 27th 2007
254
this is tough to listen to
Nov 27th 2007
259
      is he saying anything that's not in the papers/blog?
Nov 27th 2007
260
           some yes, some no.
Nov 27th 2007
262
                word
Nov 27th 2007
265
Good Lord. R.I.P.
Nov 27th 2007
255
RIP
Nov 27th 2007
257
if whitlock writes even one word about this........
Nov 27th 2007
258
He's blaming hip hop
Nov 28th 2007
305
Joe Gibbs live press conference (link)
Nov 27th 2007
263
Goodell's statement
Nov 27th 2007
264
damn this one hurts...
Nov 27th 2007
266
CP to change his number to Sean's #21...
Nov 27th 2007
267
Eddie Curry, Antoine Walker, Sean Taylor... who stickin them up?
Nov 27th 2007
268
RE: RIP SEAN TAYLOR
Nov 27th 2007
269
I am sick about this news!
Nov 27th 2007
270
R.I.P. n/m
Nov 27th 2007
271
sad, R.I.P
Nov 27th 2007
272
Yet another senseless gun violence death...R.I.P
Nov 27th 2007
273
so damn sad...RIP
Nov 27th 2007
275
*cries*
Nov 27th 2007
276
RE: RIP SEAN TAYLOR
Nov 27th 2007
277
RIP #21
Nov 27th 2007
279
RIP S.T.
Nov 27th 2007
280
def not what I wanted to wake up to.
Nov 27th 2007
281
Good Mike Wise article
Nov 27th 2007
283
Rest in Peace Sean Taylor
Nov 28th 2007
284
wtf...i cant believe this happened.
Nov 28th 2007
285
Anyone else hear...
Nov 28th 2007
286
I just saw it. It cleared UP A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD.
Nov 28th 2007
291
Leonard Shapiro - Disgraceful
Nov 28th 2007
287
Is this guy serious?
Nov 28th 2007
288
did you read the reader comments?
Nov 28th 2007
289
they have a petition going to fire Shapiro and Wilbon:
Nov 28th 2007
293
      yeah Wilbon was my dude but he went out like a B.A.N w/ that shit
Nov 28th 2007
297
           Read his column from the Post today
Nov 28th 2007
313
RE: Is this guy serious?
Nov 28th 2007
292
Makes
Nov 28th 2007
290
it helps white folks make sense of life
Nov 28th 2007
295
helps many/most white folks
Nov 28th 2007
307
      y'all need to talk to them other ones, then
Nov 28th 2007
325
      word
Nov 29th 2007
331
      Seriosuly
Nov 29th 2007
334
now it will get swept under the rug like he never wrote the 1st one.
Nov 28th 2007
296
*smh*
Nov 28th 2007
301
Man this is really making me angry
Nov 28th 2007
303
      he hates himself
Nov 28th 2007
318
RIP
Nov 28th 2007
294
I might be offically DONE with espn after this shit
Nov 28th 2007
300
Whitlock!
Nov 28th 2007
306
fuck him
Nov 28th 2007
308
Jesus...
Nov 28th 2007
309
jesus freakin christ
Nov 28th 2007
311
Why am I not surprised?
Nov 28th 2007
312
are you fucking kidding me? he really wrote that?
Nov 28th 2007
317
BWAHAHAHAHAH!
Nov 28th 2007
323
post #258
Nov 29th 2007
332
Jason Whitlock pierces all of your souls, because....
Nov 29th 2007
339
*takes a crack at it*
Nov 29th 2007
342
how's the view from that tall horse?
Nov 29th 2007
343
      C'mon, man
Nov 29th 2007
350
           Isn't this board (and entire site) from Hip Hop Culture?
Nov 29th 2007
352
           RE: Isn't this board (and entire site) from Hip Hop Culture?
Nov 29th 2007
354
                People do defend film and music too far
Nov 29th 2007
358
                     RE: People do defend film and music too far
Nov 30th 2007
380
           one thing
Nov 29th 2007
356
           So it's Sean Taylor's & hip hop's fault a nigga broke
Nov 30th 2007
368
He lost me
Nov 29th 2007
344
I seriously kinda hate dude.
Nov 29th 2007
348
Yeah, fuck him for caring about the welfare of Black people n/m
Nov 29th 2007
351
      You really believe that's his intentions? WOW!
Nov 29th 2007
353
           I seriously do. If he didn't care about black folks....
Nov 29th 2007
355
                Then we have to not agree based on perception b/c
Nov 29th 2007
363
                I agree with you
Nov 30th 2007
369
                RE: I seriously do. If he didn't care about black folks....
Nov 30th 2007
372
                     dog, GO IN- Links to the Real Whitlock Experience...
Nov 30th 2007
375
What is "wrong" about this part of the article?
Nov 29th 2007
362
really...he whacked himself
Nov 30th 2007
377
this guy is just flat out dumb as shit
Nov 30th 2007
367
Sean Taylor, who marches to the beat of a different rapper (c) Don Daly
Nov 28th 2007
310
smh...not one fucking word of regret or empathy there.
Nov 28th 2007
314
horribly, horribly depressing, ain't it?
Nov 28th 2007
316
I don't get everyone blaming white people here
Nov 29th 2007
346
I make a motion to exclude sportswriters from "white people"
Nov 29th 2007
347
NOPE!! THEY WHITE!!
Dec 05th 2007
401
It's a metaphor for a particular attitude as I'm using it,
Nov 29th 2007
361
i.feel.you
Nov 29th 2007
349
he's wrong
Nov 28th 2007
319
so let me get this straight
Nov 29th 2007
333
Lots of youtube highlight vids up now
Nov 28th 2007
315
RE: RIP
Nov 28th 2007
320
RE: Lots of youtube highlight vids up now
Nov 28th 2007
321
      yup. that about sums it up
Nov 29th 2007
326
RIP Sean.. another Canes fan prays for you and your family
Nov 28th 2007
322
anyone see what antrel rolle said?
Nov 28th 2007
324
They were friends since they were six. I think he might know.
Nov 29th 2007
328
RE: RIP SEAN TAYLOR
Nov 29th 2007
327
Ok...I looked up through the other posts...
Nov 29th 2007
335
Yes I mentioned it earlier in this post about ESPNews
Nov 29th 2007
337
Thank you dan shanoff...
Nov 29th 2007
336
two new things
Nov 29th 2007
338
I saw that chat...I'm sure his comment will be conveninently ignored
Nov 29th 2007
345
It might not see much daylight at all.
Nov 29th 2007
364
RE: two new things
Nov 30th 2007
366
He might have been messing with another man's girl.
Nov 29th 2007
340
you really think dude was AIMING for his femoral artery?!?
Nov 29th 2007
341
or could've been trying to end his career
Nov 29th 2007
357
      or emasculate him (literally and symbolically) by aiming for the groin
Nov 30th 2007
370
WHITLOCK'S HOE ASS TO BE ON AT 5PM
Nov 29th 2007
359
I dont have kids but this picture strikes a chord with me
Nov 29th 2007
360
she is so precious
Nov 30th 2007
365
yeah that photo got to me like few others
Nov 30th 2007
373
3 detained in Sean Taylor homicide
Nov 30th 2007
371
thats good
Nov 30th 2007
374
good
Nov 30th 2007
378
Fort Meyers *smh*
Nov 30th 2007
379
I'm *smh* at the ages of the boys involved. Shit is sad as hell.
Nov 30th 2007
382
little fuckers. glad they got em
Dec 01st 2007
383
Condolences
Nov 30th 2007
376
Update: 4 arrested, 2 confessions
Nov 30th 2007
381
Send em all away tor life
Dec 01st 2007
384
This just makes it even more sad.
Dec 01st 2007
385
      it's like a bottomless tragedy
Dec 01st 2007
386
MySpace pages of the four arrested
Dec 01st 2007
387
Wow they sure did get rid of those links quick.
Dec 01st 2007
388
RE: Wow they sure did get rid of those links quick.
Dec 01st 2007
390
      OMG... WHITLOCK WAS RIGHT!!!! dude is a fuckin rapper!
Dec 01st 2007
391
gold fronts, holding cash in all their pics...
Dec 01st 2007
389
I dont how I feel about this
Dec 03rd 2007
392
Leonard Shapiro responds to backlash from his article:
Dec 04th 2007
393
Shapiro kind of danced around the issue
Dec 04th 2007
394
      RE: Shapiro kind of danced around the issue
Dec 05th 2007
398
favorite Sean Taylor moment?
Dec 04th 2007
395
2005 Playoffs, 1st round against Tampa
Dec 05th 2007
396
that game against the Noles was amazing
Dec 05th 2007
397
Pass defense against Moss when he was with the Vikings?
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Effortless
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1. "I'm praying for him..."
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edit: he was shot in the leg.... hopefully not by the knee. not that anyone wants to be shot, but a shot in the meat of the thigh is alot better than a shot in the knee

  

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2. "Shot by intruder..... in his artery. fuck."
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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_dade/story/320910.html

Man shot by intruder on Old Cutler
Posted on Mon, Nov. 26, 2007


According to police, Miami-Dade patrol officers received a call about 1:45 a.m. Monday that a homeowner had been shot in the leg. The homeowners told police he heard intruders at the rear door of the house, trying to pry it open.

The male homeowner went to investigate and a female in the house then heard a shot. Paramedics responded and found the victim, with a gunshot wound to the groin. He was airlifted to the Ryder Trauma Center at Jackson Memorial Hospital, police said. The shooting happened at 18050 Old Cutler Rd.

County property records list it as the address for Sean Taylor. It is a four-bath, four-bedroom house with a taxable value of $704,297.

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3. "got damn"
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4. "man this is really sad"
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i was gonna make a joke about brian mooreman being the shooter

but this is serious

damn

  

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5. "I'm shocked"
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All football aside, I just want that brotha to get better.

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6. "aw man dammit!"
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dude gets shot protecting his home...i'm waiting for the media to call him a thug who deserved to get shot.

i'm prayin for a full recovery, sean.

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7. "'this isn't his first brush with the law'"
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every article is going to mention this. like it's his fault he got shot.

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13. "Exactly, let the bullshit begin."
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16. "yeah for sure"
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i know the media is going to turn it into a gang related shooting or some shit not a defending your home shooting.

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22. "I'll shoot the first mf that mentions an ATV"
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34. "Not ATVs but..."
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A lot of media outlets are mentioning his "previous run-ins with the law." Somebody broke into his damn house - how is this a new "run-in" with the law?

From the AP:
"Taylor has missed the last two Redskins games with a knee injury. He has a history of run-ins with the law, the AP notes. Our sister Sports Scope blog has more information."


From Florida Today:
"Although extremely talented, Taylor has been in trouble — on and off the field — numerous times since he was drafted with the No. 5 overall pick out of Miami in 2004. He has been fined at least seven times during his professional career for late hits and other infractions, including a $17,000 penalty for spitting in the face of Tampa Bay running back Michael Pittman during a playoff game in January 2006.

He was also fined $25,000 for skipping a mandatory rookie symposium shortly after he was drafted.

In 2005, Taylor was accused of brandishing a gun at a man and repeatedly hitting him during a fight that broke out after Taylor and some friends went looking for the people who had allegedly stolen his all-terrain vehicles.

Taylor reached a deal with prosecutors last year after they agreed to drop felony charges against him. He pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors in the assault case and was sentenced to 18 months probation. The pleas prompted another fine from the NFL but kept his football career intact.

He was also ordered to talk about the importance of education at 10 Miami schools and had to contribute $1,000 for scholarships to each of those schools.

The man Taylor allegedly hit, Ryan Hill, also sued, seeking at least $15,000 in damages. Hill suffered bruising to his body, incurred medical expenses and lost wages because of the fight, the lawsuit said.

Through it all, Redskins coaches and players have defended Taylor, saying he was smart and misunderstood. Taylor has been slow to let anyone into his inner circle — he has rarely spoken to reporters because he does not trust them — but teammates said he became more mature over the last year after he became a father for the first time."



From KTLA:
"In 2005, Taylor was accused of brandishing a gun at a man and repeatedly hitting him during a fight that broke out after Taylor and some friends went looking for the people who had allegedly stolen his all-terrain vehicles.

Taylor reached a deal with prosecutors last year after they agreed to drop felony charges against him. He pleaded no contest to two misdemeanors in the assault case and was sentenced to 18 months probation.

The man, Ryan Hill, also sued, seeking at least $15,000 in damages. Hill suffered bruising to his body, incurred medical expenses and lost wages because of the fight, the lawsuit said."


From All Headline News:
"Before the shooting, the 24-year-old Taylor had been sidelined for two consecutive NFL games with a sprained right knee. The latest incident is not Taylor's first brush with the law, as the former University of Miami player was charged with assault and simple battery in July 2005."



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40. "how the is getting shot in your own home a "brush with the law"?"
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I mean that's pretty see through on their part.

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43. "payback?"
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i'm not saying they should be making it out to be his fault or anything - the man was shot in his own home.

but if he has a previous incident on record where he pulled a gun on someone and whupped their ass, it could potentially be relevant to the question of why someone shot him. it should be worded differently in articles, something more like:

"In 2005, Taylor was arrested after brandishing a gun and assaulting a man who he thought had stolen from him. Police are as yet uncertain as to whether or not that incident is related to this morning's shooting, but a department spokesperson said they will investigate all possible leads."

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44. "They make this sound like the second time he's got in trouble"
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which is fucking bullshit, because only the criminals are culpable for him getting shot. How is getting shot and nearly killed another "brush with the law"?

It isn't. It's tragic, is what that is, and all these writers are morons for even mentioning that old shit.

I understand the implications of why these people might be gunning for him, but are you really going to tell me if someone like Bill Belicheck got shot there would be articles mentioning all the wives he's fucked, because it would be perfectly understandable why some of those men might have hard feelings for him?

Fuck no, and we both know why that is.

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45. "i agree with 99% of what you said"
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especially with the way it was written about taylor. he is 100% not at fault for getting shot.

an article about belichek getting shot wouldnt include the wife-fucking, i agree. it would partly be because of whiteness, but you cant overlook the fact that taylor's incident involved a gun. if belichek pulled a gun on someone, and then got shot a year later, it would be more likely to get put into the article than a gunless incident.

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77. "already heard "while he APPEARS to be the victim THIS TIME""
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680 the Fan.


  

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112. "THIS TIME???? When did he ever actually shoot someone? SMH"
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113. "Spitting..shooting..shooting...spitting....one in the same I guess"
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119. "I blame spitballs"
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121. "spitballs to an artery put me out of commision for a few back in the day"
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298. "yeah ESPN is really getting on my shit list"
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26. "oh, you know it."
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8. "Prayers."
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9. "In the groin? Ouch."
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Seriously, I hope he's okay.

  

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10. "In the groin? Ouch."
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Seriously, I hope he's okay.

  

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11. "SUCKS...hope he gets better"
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12. "scary as shit"
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Just makes me think about war movies/books I've read, because getting hit in the femoral artery is scary as shit. Here's hoping the doctors can tend to that.

My thoughts are with him and his family. It's just so wrong.

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14. "he's in critical condition"
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fuck

  

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15. "Sean is in critical condtion, an artery was hit....(c) Sportstalk 980"
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<--- we've got bush!

  

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21. "oh shit"
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23. "Damn, prayers are definetly going out."
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17. "That's fucking terrible. Will Goodell suspend him?"
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I'm only partially kidding about Goodell...

Serious about wishing him well, though.

  

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18. "hope he survives, one of the few safeties worth a shit in the NFL"
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19. "Damn. Hope he recovers"
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20. "I hope he makes it nm"
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24. "Prayers to him"
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This is really fucked up.

  

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25. "'"
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27. "DAMN, DAMN, DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYUMN!!!"
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What is it with people breaking into athlete's homes this year!!??

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28. "WTF!!!"
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Damn!!!!!!

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29. "wow"
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30. "Damn..."
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..so sad..

if his femoral artery was hit, thats damn serious

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31. "Awful"
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32. "Damn. All the best."
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33. "Wow, I'm speechless..."
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Get well brotha!

What a shame...

...

my thoughts,

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35. "i can't be the only one"
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who clicked this expecting to see another one of Grim Reaper's YouTube hits... damn man... c'mon Sean

  

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36. "*sigh* nigga shit...please God, let him live"
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selfishly, my main concern is not hearing black "leaders" and white pundits talk about IT for a good month. nah, man. i can't deal with that shit right now.

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38. "That's not selfish."
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>selfishly, my main concern is not hearing black "leaders" and
>white pundits talk about IT for a good month. nah, man. i
>can't deal with that shit right now.

Given that such discussion would either be a) unproductive or b) counterproductive, that's not selfish at all.

  

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37. "prayers"
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39. "I'm gonna go ahead and agree with Lach on this one"
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109. "haha -- yeah, I mean Lou -- sorry Lach"
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41. "Update: still in critical condition"
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http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/

Sean is in critical condition in Florida after being shot in the leg. The injuries are very serious, and according to one team official "It's not good. We're waiting on more details from the hospital." There is some concern an artery may have been struck, though I have not been able to get the firmly confirmed.

UPDATE:

Just spoke with a friend of the family who said that Sean lost a substantial amount of blood and the bullet traveled near the femoral artery, which is located in the thigh. Sean's father, Pedro, the chief of police in Florida City, Florida, is with him at the hospital, according to the source. They believe the situation is stabalizing, and are obviously hoping for the best.

Players and coaches are very worried right now and essentially everyone can do nothing but pray for the best at this point. The media is being quarantined to the media room for now - as you would expect in these situations - and there will be no open locker room. Players may be speaking to us later in the day.

One of Taylor's agents, Jason Rosenhaus, said he had no comment on the incident. The Redskins are going to have a team meeting around noon to update the players on the situation.

According to the team, Taylor was home in South Florida when armed robbers attempted to enter. He was not with the team for the game this weekend - which is not unusual for injured players - as Sean was trying to recover from a knee sprain. The Redskins had hoped that Taylor, who was having a Pro Bowl season, would have returned to the lineup in the next few weeks.

UPDATE:

Also, just to clear up anyone drawing their own conclusions - this is a different house in a different part of South Florida than where Sean had the ATV incident two years ago and was arrested on a firearm s charge. He was in his old neighbrogood near his mom's house when that incident occured, he has moved to a nicer part of town since starting his family and, according to teammates, had stopped hanging around a lot of his former associates after his last legal problems.

However, a lot of people down there know who he is, are jeolous of his wealth, etc, and it's not like no one from his old neighborhood knows his new address.

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47. "I'ma put this in the GD post, if you haven't already"
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42. "on some real shit, he's the realest REDSKIN on that team for real"
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he plays like he don't give a f*ck. He's on that grind all four quarters. Has he been the best ambassador for the team? nah but you can miss me with that shit he comes to win on sundays, i wish i could say the same for the rest of the team right now. i hope he remains in DC his whole career, provided he can get through this.

i hope he pulls through. i really do man i realy really do. this sucks.

  

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53. "define real"
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56. "he plays that raw football to me"
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that throwback football. unlike say, Roy Williams or Lavar Arrington, he hits hard AND makes huge plays. it's evident that his heart is in the game, like a Ray Lewis type only in the secondary. A real Redskins meaning he WANTS to get out there and win. I hope he's a DC lifer.

  

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48. "More: he's in a coma, might be "stabilizing""
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Sean Taylor is reportedly "stabilizing" after being shot during a robbery in his home late Sunday night. Chris Cooley told the Washington media that he heard through Santana Moss' mother, who is at the hospital with Taylor, that the safety is in a coma.

A bullet reportedly traveled near the femoral artery, which is located in the thigh. Taylor has lost a substantial amount of blood. The Redskins released a statement to the media, and met with their players to update them around noon. Owner Daniel Snyder had no new information Monday afternoon.

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50. "I don't care how "stabilized" he is, coma is a negative ass word"
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57. "a Coma *can* be a good thing, if its induced to stabilize"
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because it takes the strain off the system

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73. "yeah, in this case"
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people are saying he's probably in a coma b/c of the massive amt of blood loss, not doctor-induced.

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55. "a coma!?!?!?!?"
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damn man he better make it out of this.

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49. "Damn!"
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I was wondering why he wasn't with the team until I remembered he got hurt against the birds. Wish him the best.

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51. "Damn...it"
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seems like it's getting worse.


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52. "My Prayers"
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This is one of those things I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, well at least not a division rival. My prayers definitely to the Taylor family & Sean Taylor himself. Damn shame that you work hard for something and assholes have the nerve to gun you down while you enjoying it.

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54. "prayers"
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58. "they got all the way to his bedroom when they shot him?"
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someone wanted him dead. this whole situation is tragic. i have 980 streaming right now...this is just terrible news.

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59. "they wanted him dead, so they aimed at his leg?"
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the whole situation is fucked up

  

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61. "femoral artery...you can bleed to death quickly if that's severed"
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62. "so they aimed for his femoral artery to kill him?"
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65. "if you know where the major arteries and such are you can."
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not every bullet has to be shot thru the heart or head.

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200. "RE: if you know where the major arteries and such are you can."
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While true, in a traditional hit, that's where most people are gonna shoot: head or chest.

Never ever heard of a "hit" where they tried a shot in the leg for a kill. You shoot where you know death is certain. Even if you know where the femoral artery is in someone's leg, there's a chance they could live with prompt proper medical care.

Not to mention, there is no benefit in shooting at the leg instead of the head or chest either legally or logically if you're out to kill someone.
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60. "reportedly..."
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there were prior attempts on the house earlier in the week

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63. "Wilbon's an asshole"
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From an earlier chat today:

McLean, Va.: Will your opinion of Taylor change if this does not turn out to be a random incident (e.g. home invasion)?

Michael Wilbon: No...People's opinions are shaped by the way they've grown up, the way they see the world, what they know about the world the person in question grew up in, etc. Sean Taylor isn't the only guy I know who fits his general profile. I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white...I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising.

Columbia, Md.: What makes you think that Taylor was still embracing his old ways? Every thing we have heard from the Redskins and Portis is that this is a new Sean. Apparently the birth of his child really helped to straighten him out. Is this contrary to what you know?

Michael Wilbon: Sorry, but I'n not in the habit of having comapanies with their own public relations agenda tell me about black men and what they feel or don't feel. Pardon me if I'm not that easy.

  

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64. "damn what a douche"
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76. "What a piece of shit."
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94. "Wilbon lost some respect on this one"
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Maybe evidence that the four letter is tainting him a little.

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124. "I like Wilbon but sometimes he can be a dumbass."
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He's so close-minded about an athletes behavior that it gets ridiculous sometimes. He really doesn't know shit sometimes when it comes to anything about a young player.

  

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202. "That disturbed me too when I read it yesterday..."
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219. "Wilbon was operating off more info than us..."
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at that time he already knew about the break-in last week with the knife being left on the bed. i think that Wilbon was insensitive in bringing that up hours after dude got shot, but he & Doc Walker broke it down pretty clearly on 980 just now that ST was 'at risk', thus the shooting was TRAGIC but not 'SHOCKING'

i can't blame dude for getting shot in his own house.

but all parties involved take an L here- you don't go back to the crib to sleep in your house with a machete for protection, you rent a suite in DC and move your family to safety. if you're a team and you hear about knives left on the bed of a player recently removed from troubled situations, investigate on your own- protect your investment in the man...

many discussions are gonna launch outta this, but at the end of the day another young cat has been murdered, a father lost a son, and a daughter lost a father...

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248. "I Agree With You On This Point......"
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....after having one break-in and a knife left on the bed, you should take pre-caution. Now the team is not obligated to when they hear about it, but I could see them taking action.

And yeah, just for the peace of mind, I would have had my family elsewhere until I figured all that stuff out. Definetly not in the crib without firepower.

But it's still tragic. Even if Wilbon was operating with more info than the rest of us, it still seems insensitive.
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261. "yeah..."
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>But it's still tragic. Even if Wilbon was operating with more
>info than the rest of us, it still seems insensitive.


man, CPortis on 980am is telling some heartbreaking stuff about sean's love for his daughter and how he spent sunday watching the game, went for a 30mile bike ride after the loss, then hit the sack early with his woman and baby, talking about how he wished the team let him come to the game and couldn't wait to get back on the field...

R.I.U. Mr. Taylor


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66. "Prayers."
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67. "Has Goodell suspended him for getting shot yet?"
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I mean, that's at least 4 games.

*all BS aside, I hope the best for dude, and his fam.

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90. "i laughed"
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but its sad

  

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68. "From JLC: Sean Taylor "Clinging To Life""
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http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2007/11/sean_taylor_clinging_to_life.html

Richard Sharpstein, who has represented Sean Taylor in legal matters in the past and is a friend of the family, said moments ago that the player's life is hanging in the balance in the hospital. Sharpstein, speaking from the hospital, said Taylor is "nonresponsive and unconscious" and the doctors are "worried about a possible brain injury or death."

Sharpstein, who has been with Taylor's family at the hospital much of the day, said that there are major worries that Taylor may have lost oxygen to the brain, and that no other procedures are planned for right now. "They're waiting to see if he comes to," Sharpstein said. He was shot in the groin/thigh area near the femoral artery and lost copious amounts of blood. He was airlifted to the trauma center and endured several hours of surgery, Sharpstein said.

Taylor is in intensive care, Sharpstein said, and his girlfriend and child were not injured in the attack. Sharpstein said Taylor was sleeping when he heard a noise in the living room. The intruders were at his bedroom and Taylor reached for a machete or other form of knife he keeps nearby in case of emergency, and two shots were fired, with one striking his leg.

"Right now he's clinging to life and we're all praying he makes it," Sharpstein said.

  

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69. "man this is unbelievable"
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70. "fuck"
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75. "No postjacko, but dude has a machete at his bedside?"
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78. "he's not allowed to own a gun"
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80. "But still, of all weapons to own... a machete?"
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Does anyone here own a machete for self-defense purposes? It's a pretty badass thing to own.

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81. "Besides Dwight Schrute I cant think of anyone"
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83. "I thought Dwight used a blowdart?"
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82. "chinese stars would be bad ass too"
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or a samurai sword

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85. "I actually keep one in my truck for that purpose."
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>Does anyone here own a machete for self-defense purposes?
>It's a pretty badass thing to own.

Dunno about badass, but it fits behind the seat and is easier to explain to the cops when you're pulled over than a .38 in the glovebox.

Never had the occasion to pull it out, which is likely for the best since the other guy probably has a .38 in the glovebox.

  

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96. "he lives in Miami. Jamaican influence."
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102. "i keep one in my trunk..."
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hasn't budged from its spot since i put it there though. my parents are from the philippines, which is why i don't feel wierd about having one.

i hope sean taylor pulls through alright.

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103. "RE: But still, of all weapons to own... a machete?"
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>Does anyone here own a machete for self-defense purposes?

I do. Initially got it for a Halloween costume. It's come in handy in other situations. I sleep with it next to my nightstand

  

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120. "Goddamn! You take your Halloween serious, ay?"
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>>Does anyone here own a machete for self-defense purposes?
>
>I do. Initially got it for a Halloween costume. It's come in

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71. "shit i hope he makes it...this is sounding really serious..."
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79. "got fucking damnit"
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gotdamnit, so many young and talented cats getting their careers taken away these days, not to mention the families affected by it.

Having read the comments by Sharpstein, it doesnt look good. The time between the femoral artery getting hit and when the bleeding was stopped may have been too long...even a minute of a lack of oxygen to the brain can essentially leave you lifeless.

Please get through this Sean, we are all praying and hoping fam.

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86. "Thats..."
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..a large artery with a ton of blood supply....

Prayers

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87. "yeah, this is nuts. I hope he can come back and have a"
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normal life. f**k football for a minute. I just hope dude can bounce back and be able to spend time with his family.

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89. "yo, this is crazy, prayers to ST and his fam, what is the deal with"
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all these athletes getting robbed/guns pointed at them. now we got a player who got shot and is clinging to life.

you need to ask somebody about me. you some Newbie with a few posts. fool you coming at me with some turkey and Bread and you ain't no Miracle Whip to make a sandwich and you ain't no conversation to hang. (c) mistermaxxx

  

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91. "I hope he pulls thru..."
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92. "damn dude was my second fav safety in the league (after williams)"
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in that first redskin game he rocked kevin curtis on the goalline and popped the ball out
damn this world is fucking WILD

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93. "Prayers for him and his family and friends"
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That's tough all around. Damn.

  

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95. "Interesting point made about this occuring on a Sunday..."
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On PTI, Kornheiser suggested that it looks like whoever broke into Taylor's home was probably not expecting anyone to be at home. The best day to rob an NFL player would be on a Sunday where a would be burglar probably assumes that the player is out on business. This, I think, is the best defense against any asshole who tries to make this about Taylor's so-called "shady" past.

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97. "that is a good point. this is horrid. wow."
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98. "RE: that is a good point. this is horrid. wow."
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just listened to his lawyer and family friend on the John Riggins show here in dc. he did not slip into a coma just never regained conciousness. his fiance told him that he did squeeze a nurses hand not to long ago. there is a lot of speculation out there but this is good news. gregg williams press conference made me cry by the way, dude broke down

  

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99. "RE: that is a good point. this is horrid. wow."
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taylor was also weilding a fuckin machete

  

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106. "would a fiance be entitled to any money in a situation like this?"
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talk about a L
even tho i'm sure that's the last thing on her mind right now

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114. "you stay classy, oksports"
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122. "it's a question idiot"
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100. "Fuck people tryin to blame Taylor"
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If he was at home minded his wounds and business and gets attacked all that should be brought up is how much of a cocksucker this idiot is who shot him. The motherfucker should be convicted of attempted murder sent to jail and ass fucked.

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108. "Its instinctive with white people, unfortunately."
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>If he was at home minded his wounds and business and gets
>attacked all that should be brought up is how much of a
>cocksucker this idiot is who shot him. The motherfucker should
>be convicted of attempted murder sent to jail and ass fucked.

And uncle toms and such.

They don't value black lives very much, so upon news of
tragedy they instinctively do two things:

1)Relieve themselves of any guilt
2)Heap blame on the black tragedy victim

AFTER THAT IS DONE, they *might*

3)Recognize the tragedy itself, and empathize.

#3 only happens after #s 1 and 2 have been exhausted
and run to the ground.

Of course, #1 is irrelevant in the Taylor situation,
but #2 is relevant and reflexive:

He's black and was a "troublemaker" already(of course, he
really wasn't), so of course he had it coming to him.

Once everyone understands that Taylor isn't really a
bad guy at all, then we can move on to blaming hip-hop,
which has nothing to do with Taylor specifically, but
certainly has something to do with his demographic, which
means its sufficient enough to blame him(this is the
Pacman Jones situation and its coverage).

But on a grader scale, the #1 and #2 listed above explains
the entire Hurricane Katrina coverage.

Most white people still haven't gotten to #3 in regards
to Katrina, and if they have, they can thank Spike Lee.




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304. "truth.."
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104. "praying for him"
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damn not the kind of news i was expecting to hear and the dude can defend as well.

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105. "Good News! Sean Taylor Responsive"
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/26/AR2007112600794.html?hpid=topnews

MIAMI, Nov. 27 -- Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor was responsive and squeezed the hand of a doctor tonight, after seven hours of surgery for a gunshot wound suffered at his home early Monday.

"He was responsive to the doctor's requests to squeeze his hands and showed facial expressions. The doctors were very happy about that," Vinny Cerrato, the Redskins vice president of football operations, said in a telephone interview shortly after 7 p.m. "Two doctors came and told us they were excited about that."

Taylor had been described as "non-responsive and unconscious," and doctors were "worried about a possible brain injury" caused by the loss of oxygen to the brain, according to Richard Sharpstein, who has represented Taylor in legal matters in the past. Taylor had flat-lined twice during surgery, a team source said.

Taylor was hospitalized after police received a 1:45 a.m. call from a woman inside Taylor's residence saying that a man had been shot in the affluent suburb of Palmetto Bay, Miami-Dade police officials said. Ambulance crews found the 24-year-old defensive star struck in the lower extremities, Lt. Nancy Perez said.

Taylor was flown to the Ryder Trauma Center of Jackson Memorial Hospital, where he underwent surgery. Perez said police had not yet been able to speak with him to confirm how the shooting occurred.

"It could have been a possible burglary, it could have been a possible robbery. It has not been confirmed as yet," Perez told The Washington Post. She said she could not say how many shots had been fired or whether there were signs of forced entry.

Sharpstein said Taylor's responses Monday night provided "a great ray of sunshine, but we're not out of the woods yet. The doctors are still guarded about the diagnosis. Until he comes to and speaks and recognizes people, they are going to be guarded, but this was obviously a very positive sign and a recognition of a command."

Taylor is in intensive care, Sharpstein said.

Taylor's condition had improved dramatically from earlier in the day. "Right now, he's clinging to life and we're all praying he makes it," Sharpstein had said shortly after 3 p.m.

According to Sharpstein, Taylor was sleeping when he heard a noise in the living room. Taylor reached for some large knife such as a machete that he keeps nearby in case of emergency, and when he encountered the intruder two shots were fired, with one striking his leg.

Police on Monday were interviewing Taylor's fiancee and several other relatives who were in the house to try to determine what precipitated the shooting. It was not immediately clear whether the people were relatives of Taylor or of his girlfriend.

The Associated Press reported that another invasion was reported at Taylor's home eight days ago. According to police records, someone pried open a front window, rifled through his drawers and left a kitchen knife on a bed.

Redskins Coach Joe Gibbs, meeting with reporters Monday afternoon, said that on Nov. 19, Taylor phoned Gibbs at his office to tell him that Taylor's home in Florida had been burglarized and to ask to be excused from meetings to fly to Miami. Gibbs obliged, and when Taylor returned that week, "I thought everything was fine," Gibbs said. He said he was unaware that Taylor was in Miami again until getting a call from team security about the shooting around 6:30 a.m.

Members of Taylor's extended family from the Miami area converged at the hospital Monday to keep vigil.

A woman who said she was Sean Taylor's grandmother and was reached by telephone at the home of a relative said: "He's doing pretty good. He's in critical condition. That's all the information I have."

At Redskins Park in Ashburn, Redskins owner Daniel Snyder read a statement to reporters, saying he and several members of the team were flying to Miami to be with Taylor's family.

Team officials said they were praying for Taylor and would wait for more details on his condition before commenting further.

The situation "is not good," one official said.

Gibbs and a chaplain addressed the team, players said, and they waited anxiously for more news.

"This is not just a member of the Washington Redskins. We're talking about a dad, a brother, a friend of ours, and that's where we're at with this right now," safety Pierson Prioleau said. "Our prayers go out to Sean and his family."

Jason Rosenhaus, one of Taylor's agents, declined to comment.

In his fourth season with the Redskins, Taylor leads the team with five interceptions this season and is one of the team's brightest young talents. He missed the past two games -- including Sunday's loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers -- after spraining his knee during a Nov. 11 loss to the Philadelphia Eagles.

The son of the police chief in Florida City, Fla., just south of Miami, Taylor grew up in Florida and starred for the University of Miami's football team. Taylor was the fifth pick in the first round of the 2004 NFL draft. After leading the Redskins defense last season with 129 tackles, he was named to the Pro Bowl.

Taylor, the second of four children, continues to live primarily in Miami, near family and lifelong friends. In the year after he was drafted, he often stayed with his mother and great-grandmother in their modest house in Homestead, Fla.

As he rose through the ranks of football stardom -- from prep standout to college All-American to pro -- he earned a reputation around Florida City and Homestead as a good-natured and family-oriented person. He readily agreed to make community appearances and frequently donated money to organizations that help the poor.

Taylor's sprawling four-bedroom residence sits behind a few palm trees and a white masonry wall about six feet high. Two black-painted metal gates control entry to the curving drive. Taylor once kept pit bulls but has gotten rid of them, neighbors said.

Police crime scene investigators this afternoon were examining the wall, possibly looking for fingerprints.

Neighbors on either side of the house said they had pleasant relations with the young star. "He was nothing but a gentleman with us," said one. "He would sometimes talk over the fence with us, and it was always, 'Yes ma'am, no ma'am, yes sir.' "

Neither neighbor reported hearing the gunfire during the night.

Taylor, known as one of the hardest-hitting free safeties in the NFL, has a tattoo on his biceps that reads "Steel Standing." He has earned the respect of his Redskins teammates and coaches on the field and in the locker room, overcoming a series of incidents that had threatened to undermine his career and which caused him to shun media attention.

Taylor pleaded no contest to misdemeanor assault and battery charges in connection with a June 2005 confrontation over an all-terrain vehicle he said had been stolen from him. He avoided jail time in that case by agreeing to serve 18 months' probation, speak to 10 Miami area schools and donate $1,000 to each of them.

In 2004, he was arrested in Fairfax County on suspicion of drunken driving. A judge later dismissed the charge after viewing a videotape of the field sobriety test and seeing no basis for the arrest. Taylor was nevertheless convicted of refusing to take a breathalyzer test in that incident -- but the conviction was dismissed on appeal.

Taylor was criticized for skipping off-season workouts against Coach Joe Gibbs's wishes in 2005 and was fined $25,000 by the National Football League in 2004 for not attending a mandatory rookie symposium.

In January 2006, the league fined Taylor $17,000 for spitting at Michael Pittman during a Redskins-Buccaneers game.

But teammates say Taylor has matured in the last 18 months or so, perhaps in part because he has become a father; he reportedly dotes on his 18-month-old daughter, Jackie.

Redskins defensive coordinator Gregg Williams told The Washington Post in October that Taylor's personal growth and development resulted from "a lot of tough love behind the scenes."

"I love him," Williams told Post columnist Mike Wise. "I think he's one of the most passionate football players I've ever coached. But he's very guarded."

Wilgoren reported from Washington and La Canfora from Ashburn. Staff writers Peter Whoriskey in Miami and William Branigin in Washington contributed to this report.

  

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118. "That's HUGE news if true."
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That little gesture communicates that an astonishing
amount of neurological activity is still in place.

He can hear, process a request, interpret, respond
with intention, and has motor function in distal
muscles of the lower arm and hand.

Huge, huge, news.


  

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107. "local news says he flatlined twice earlier today"
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Some serious shit.

  

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111. "Lord, help him"
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110. "I hope the man recovers from this."
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Man I almost cried when I heard that. He's one of my favorite players. My ma told me and I couldn't believe. I just want the man to pull through this. Much love and many prayers to his family.

  

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116. "On Comcast tonight, they said he responded to doctor's.."
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...commands to clench his fists, blink and nod.

So maybe he'll at least be able to live a close to normal life.

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117. "They said though on Fox that he could possibly get brain damage"
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That's not too good. I just hope these next few hours are good for him to recover.

  

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125. "yea it seems to be conflicting reports out there"
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i wonder which are coming from the hospital and which are coming from the media/his agent

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123. "my brother did too, and he didn't make it. keep praying for him"
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126. "blessings to you and your fam, again...n/m"
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127. "Gregg Williams with some real talk (link)"
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http://redskins.com/

look at the video playlist and see what Gregg Williams has to say about Sean Taylor.

man oh man.

  

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128. "Everytime this gets upped I hope its good news"
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129. "This is fucking with me."
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I'm praying he gets better.True, he did have some wild side as a young man but who the fuk didn't?!He was HOME with family when it happened.Not at the titty-bar,running the streets or no shit like that.Everyone around him has been speaking on his character growth since his kid came along..His past shit shouldn't even come into question,but of course it will.It feels like one of my boys got shot,a feeling I ain't had in a minute.Damn.

  

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130. "Breaking News"
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just heard via 1050 ESPN in NYC
That Sean Taylor passed away from his injuries.
looks like it's gone official.

prayers and condolences to his family.

a sad sad sad sad situation for a guy SO young and who had so much going for him.


  

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131. "CNN's reporting it now - RIP to the dude."
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lionhawk
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Tue Nov-27-07 06:18 AM

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132. "RIP SeanTaylor"
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Redskin forever.

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133. "RIP"
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Coatesvillain
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134. "R.I.P."
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Wow, this is terrible.

I don't like hearing about anyone dying, but when it's someone so young and it happens this way? Damn. It's just wrong.

My prayers and condolences go out to the family.

I hope they catch the guy who did this.

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DESucks
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135. "This is just awful"
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As a man who will be a father in 2 months, my heart hurts right now. This is so senseless and sad.

Rest in peace, Sean.

  

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136. "R.I.P."
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damn........
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137. "God bless him"
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138. "seeing 1983-2007 hit me in a damn strange way"
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not a redskin fan in the least nor really a rider for sean taylor. but i am a fan of giving people second chances and it sounds as if he had tried to change his ways. if this has some relation to his past, it's unfortunate that sometimes your past has a way of catching up with you and pulling you back down.

regardless, the best to him and his family. dude was the same age as me and for some reason that really struck a chord with me.
rip

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139. "respect due..."
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Dr Claw
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140. "An absolutely senseless killing."
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The Doc, even as an Eagles fan who is "supposed" to hate division rivals, never hated the Skins, even when they beat The People's Team, even when the DC fans go into "Eagles Suck" chants.

Sean Taylor was one of those rare talents in the NFL, for real. He might have been a little rough around the edges, kind of reminded The Doc of good ol' Andre Waters in that regard. Still, The Doc maintains that he was one of the only NFL safeties worth a damn without flinching.

This absolutely sucks. The dude was gonna come back and ether cats and now...he leaves the remnants of a promising life behind. 24 is far too young to call it an end, especially to the BS that it did.

The Doc always rooted for him, was hoping he wouldn't wake up and hear this news after the day he had yesterday.

Peace to his family, R.I.P.

The Doc is just glad that national coverage of this has left OUT the bullshit as stated earlier in this post and was respectful.

  

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141. "Broadcasters about to have a field day with this one..."
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I can already hear the rampant speculation and self-righteous posturing.

RIP to the brotha.

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151. "they better not"
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153. "it's already started"
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"Why didn't he have his boys with him?"

Knowing goddamn well that if he had his boys or even a legit bodyguard and the intruder was shot, we'd STILL be hearing about his past and about the thug / urban / hip-hop culture that exists in the NFL.


  

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160. "fuckers...which asshole host said that shit?"
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https://twitter.com/chuck4prez

  

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twistyroad
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163. "don't ask me why, but I turned to WMAL this morning"
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on the way to work. The Andy and Grandy morning show.

What's sad is that they'd be the FIRST ones to turn Taylor into a criminal had he shot the burglar.

  

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ChuckFoPrez
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169. "*smh*"
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at least sportstalk 980 is being tactful about things.

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194. "Too bad Steinberg of the Post isn't."
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He didn't say anything bad, but for some reason this came off as distasteful to me from today's Sports Bog:

"People wrote yesterday, asking me why I hadn't commented on Taylor. I didn't, and don't, really have anything to say, other than death sucks."
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231. "Just wait until you see the piece on ESPNews"
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The whole thing focuses on his off the field issues and even highlights the "bad" things he did on the field.

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246. "RE: Just wait until you see the piece on ESPNews"
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I'm seriously trying to figure out how I can rid myself of ESPN except for the actual games.

  

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142. "RIP"
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MadDagoNH
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143. "unreal"
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So incredibly sad.

Condolences to his family. Just such a senseless loss.

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144. "nooooooooooooooooooooooo"
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https://twitter.com/chuck4prez

  

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ShawndmeSlanted
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145. "damn RIP"
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146. "RIP"
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Really wasn't the news I was hoping to hear, shit is too sad.

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Jamal_Yall
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147. "R.I.P."
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terry_funk
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148. "Damn, That's awful. RIP."
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Dude had all the potential in the world, and so much life in front of him. My thoughts go out to his family.

  

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FireBrand
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149. "He was the most talented Safety I've ever seen play the game."
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RIP.

Peace to his family.

This is tragic.

  

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206. "Cosign. I was looking forward to watching his development"
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Loved watchin him @ Miami & tried to follow his pro career as best I could.

After seeing No Country for Old Men & then hearing about this shit this morning I'm feeling just like Tommy Lee Jones character.

RIP

  

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150. "Damn, RIP"
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Terrible, terrible, terrible
Just a damn shame...dude was only 24 too

Abdul Jabbar, Muggsy Malone you
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nonseq
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152. "My condolences to his family, friends, and Skins fans."
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I hope they find out who and why did this and it gets dealt with accordingly.

  

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154. "oh no. RIP."
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155. "such a tragedy"
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truly my favorite redskin. the world is fucking crazy.

rip *sheds a tear*

  

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156. "RIP."
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smutsboy
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157. "unimaginable tragedy."
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senseless.

RIP.

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158. "RIP ~ So Sad...So Unnecessary"
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lionhawk
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159. "I'm so fucked up right now. I forget how young these guys are."
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I wish the best for his family.

I'm gonna go buy a #21 jersey this morning.

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167. "RE: I'm so fucked up right now. I forget how young these guys are."
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I'm with you on that. It's weird to think of him being two years younger than me...it just makes it even sadder.

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173. "ditto"
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*Jews you*

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lionhawk
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177. "he was younger than my little brother"
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he was still a kid. a kid who was finally becoming a man. he was just trying to protect the women in his life.

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WarriorPoet415
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161. "I Really Feel For His Family. RIP."
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162. "This is so sad."
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I just sat on the edge of my bed and cried.


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164. "Rest in peace, Sean"
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Sad

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165. "RIP"
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damn shame.

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166. "RIP"
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smutsboy
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168. "Um, the phone line at the house was cut? WTF?"
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This was a hit. Holy shit.

http://www.miamiherald.com/588/story/321952.html

After Monday's shooting, Taylor's girlfriend tried to call police from the house line, only to discover the line had been cut. She had to use her mobile phone to call 911, which delayed response time, said Redskins Vice President Vinny Cerrato.

''This was a deliberate attack,'' Cerrato said.

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174. "the espn article said that in the previous break in last week"
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someone left a kitchen knife on his bed.

i'm beginning to think this was a hit.

*Jews you*

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199. "jesus christ"
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208. "it has to be..."
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this is definitely more than just a simple robbery gone wrong or something....


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211. "IF it was a hit"
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(and that's a huge if)

You know why most people get hit? When they're trying to get out. When, say, they realized that they got mixed up with the wrong crowd when they were young and trusting but grew up and realized they needed to get clean for themselves and their kid.

Please know I'm not saying he was in anything, but if he was, he may have gotten it because he wanted no more part of it.

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214. "I'm wondering the same thing."
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All the quotes coming from teammates, friends and family are saying that he's spent the last few years dedicating himself to his family and leaving his old life behind. The life that almost resulted in him going to jail.

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216. "yes...also from the miami herald:"
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Taylor's cousin, Florida State University safety Anthony Leon, said Taylor was trying to shed some troublemaking friends he had grown up with. Leon, who said he spent his morning crying and praying in his dorm room, said Taylor had ``started to calm down.''

''He's been trying to stay away from bad company -- especially for his daughter's sake,'' Leon said. ``Sean wasn't a bad guy at all. He's got his personality on the football field and off it. All he was trying to do was protect his family. And they shot him.''




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222. "Black Maybe"
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RIP

  

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calij81
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329. "Great Common song"
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one of my favorite songs off of Finding Forever and very appropriate for this situation.

  

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40thStreetBlack
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230. "what?"
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he wasn't in the bloods or crips or any organized gang like that, at least I've never heard even any insinuation of anything like that.

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WarriorPoet415
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224. "See, the only thing about this "hit" theory to me is this......"
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A. If you're gonna hit someone, you don't let them know you're coming. So the whole leaving the knife on the bed as a warning kinda defeats the purpose. If you're a hitman, why alert your mark with the earlier break-ins to let them know that someone is out for you?

B. The timing/reasoning of the phone lines being cut. It could've been a run of the mill burglar cutting the phone lines to prevent the alarm system from transmitting to the alarm company. And you know when the alarms go off, usually a rep from the security firm will call the house. This could've been done to prevent the alarms that come along with breaking into someone's house.

Not to mention if it was done Monday night, they burglar (if that's all they were) might have figured it was a good night to do it seeing as they could have assumed he was flying back to d.c. with the team earlier that day.

Now I can't say it wasn't a hit, but that theory doesn't exactly fit that neatly either.

I guess we have to let the investigation bear it all out.
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calij81
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330. "You brought up some good points"
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if it was a hit, I don't understand shooting him in the leg. I mean what are the odds that the guys who shot him deliberately aimed for his artery, knowing that if he hit that artery he would bleed to death? I mean wouldn't he have just shot him in the chest or head and cut out? It just seems like a real random spot to shoot to kill someone at.

The whole knife in the bed is a bit crazy and seems like a sign that someone is after your life.

  

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Tiger Woods
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170. "no...way....."
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dula dibiasi
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171. "shit... RIP."
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172. "damn..."
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RIP...

...the skins fam will miss you terribly....

prayers and condolences to his family

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RIP Sean Taylor 21 * My favorite Skin

"These simpletons they mentionin is synonym for feminine."

WVU

  

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175. "R.I.P. to my favorite Redskin..."
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This is a sad, sad day...

Life cut short. So much potential as a football player but more importantly as a human.


...

my thoughts,

peace.


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176. "Jesus Christ. I didn't expect to read this this morning. Awful"
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RIP.

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178. "Sad...so young, this is terrible."
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179. "Fuck. RIP. Thoughts to his family."
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180. "Mike and Mike"
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larry Coker: "a lot of stuff has been reported....listen...Sean Taylor was a good kid"

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181. "Everyone that knew him has the same opinion"
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To me, that is what matters. Not how the media wants to portray him, but rather what the people closest to him thought.

He had some issues in his past, but he was a man who by all accounts was a honest, decent person living for his family.

This continues to upset me...

  

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184. "Yeah"
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...its a terrible feeling...

I am not remotely close to having any contact with him...yet it hurts this morning...

I can't imagine what his family must be going through

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182. "time to blame hip-hop on this one"
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someone wanted him dead and got it done. crazy real crazy

the world is a toll-free toilet-george clinton

  

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183. "RIP ...man this is terrible"
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185. "R.I.P."
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Prayers go out to him and his family.

  

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186. "my condolences to the family"
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i really feel bad for his young daughter.

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187. "my God.."
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R I P

  

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188. "As a Giant fan..."
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This is one of the saddest days I remember... He was a great football player, defenitely one of my favorite players...
God bless him and his family...
He will be remembered.

"when they kick at your front door
how you gonna come?
with your hands on your head?
or at the trigger of ya gun?"
-The Clash-

  

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ziggystardust
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189. "As a Giant fan..."
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This is one of the saddest days I remember... He was a great football player, defenitely one of my favorite players...
God bless him and his family...
He will be remembered.

"when they kick at your front door
how you gonna come?
with your hands on your head?
or at the trigger of ya gun?"
-The Clash-

  

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ziggystardust
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190. "As a Giant fan..."
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This is one of the saddest days I remember... He was a great football player, defenitely one of my favorite players...
God bless him and his family...
He will be remembered.

"when they kick at your front door
how you gonna come?
with your hands on your head?
or at the trigger of ya gun?"
-The Clash-

  

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191. "damn rip."
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this looks like a weird story though.

  

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192. "RIP"
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this is unfortunate...

prayers to his fam
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193. "rip"
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damn 24 and like that...
prayers to his family...
one of the few cane players i really liked.

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195. "Damn this is fucked up"
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This makes me think back to when Jerome Brown died and how devastating that was.

  

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196. "I'm just blown"
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I pray for his family.

You will be missed, #21 rides in Heaven.

No other Redskin wears that #.

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204. "RE: I'm just blown"
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>No other Redskin wears that #.

Ever.

  

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207. "I can't see ANYBODY wearing #21 for the burgandy and gold..."
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He was THAT good, and this is THAT tragic...


...

my thoughts,

peace.


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278. "21"
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>
>>No other Redskin wears that #.
>
>Ever.

cosign,snyder will see to that.


R.I.P MEAST

  

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197. "damn, RIP"
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198. "RIP. Awful"
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201. "DAMN that's fucked up and sad. RIP"
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I thought dude would pull through,

  

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203. "oh my god...this is not what i wanted to wake up to...RIP"
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<---- best QB in the NFC East

  

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205. "I'm crushed."
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209. "This is so senseless.... RIP"
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I did not expect to read this this morning. It is a horrible, senseless act of violence and I hope the killer is brought to justice. Sean Taylor was definitely one of the most talented safeties I've ever seen play, and I'll miss watching him. RIP

  

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210. "Celebrate the man"
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http://kissmesuzy.blogspot.com/2007/11/requiem-for-bad-ass-motherfucker.html

Not knowing Sean Taylor personally, let's forgo the needless examination of his personal life that is part and parcel of the stream of obits we are seeing today. For now, let's remember Taylor for what he was between the lines: namely a fearsome, ball-hawking hit machine that left a swath of crumpled receivers in his wake.

Mahalo, baller.

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212. "Any word on finding the shooter?"
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213. "I'm going to this funeral, this ish is really really sad."
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215. "shocked-- RIP"
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i went to bed last night to reports that he was improving and his doctors were more optimistic than yesterday. definitely not the news i expected this morning. when i first heard dude got shot in the leg on sunday, i was thinking, no big deal, joey porter got shot, i think pacman took a bullet, he's a big dude, he'll be aight. then the news kept getting worse. what a loss for the redskins family and for taylor's. unbelievable.

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217. "This some bullshyt man!"
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That dude was my favorite player on the Skins and in the league. Like Tony McGee said this morning on 980, they could bring in the greatest safety ever, and it still won't be Sean Taylor.

The fact that it seems like a hit, is even more wild!

RIP Sean 7th and Taylor!

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218. "ASSHOLE PIECES OF SHIT ARE TRYING TO CAPITALIZE ON EBAY"
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I'm HEATED...AND THEY SELLIN BOOTLEG SHIT...FUCK EACH AND EVERY EBAY SELLER THAT PULLS THIS SHIT (AND ITS MOSTLY COMING FROM THE BOOTLEG CAPITALS OF THE WORLD KOREA AND CHINA)

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But yeah, those buy-it-nows posted just yesterday... terrible.

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229. ""one day only auction" and shit, yeah i feel you..."
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*SMH*

but the bootleg ones are REALLY getting to me...jong kim in seoul making hand over fist on this death? highly unnecessary (and 85% of the jerseys in that link are fake).

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220. "Tragic loss. RIP. Bless his family and seed."
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Terrible news to wake up to in the morning.

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221. "R. I. P. Sean"
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Heartbreaking.

  

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223. "Jeez. So horrible. R.I.P."
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225. "r.i.p..."
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________________________________________
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227. "Damn, RIP"
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How long before the media tries to make it like he was a "bad" guy?


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235. "They're doing it now on Mike & the Maddog in NY"
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Calling him a very angry young man, and his lifestyle led to his demise.

  

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228. "Wilbon on SportsTalk980 now doing some backing off"
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Basically saying that he feels bad personally that his judgment jumped to what he concluded earlier.

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247. "good for him"
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but HE should know better.

  

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good.

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233. "Makes me sick"
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Gone too soon for NOTHIN!

RIP SEAN TAYLOR

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234. "THE BEST SHIT JEMELE HILL HAS EVER WRITTEN *SWIPE*"
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Sean Taylor's death wasn't random.

Maybe it was, but it wasn't.

As the details emerge about the circumstances surrounding Taylor's death and Miami police hunt for the person responsible for claiming a vibrant life, this much already is true: The grim, horrible statistic won again.

The leading cause of death for black men 15 to 24 is homicide. Taylor, who died from a gunshot wound early Tuesday in connection with an apparent robbery at his home, was 24.

For the second time this year, an NFL player -- a young, black male -- has been murdered. Tragedy struck on the first day of 2007 when Darrent Williams, a Denver Broncos defensive back, was shot to death during a drive-by near a Denver nightclub after attending the birthday party for Nuggets forward Kenyon Martin.

Denver police believe the shooting was linked to an altercation involving people who were with Williams that day. He wasn't involved in the altercation. Not that the bullet cared. He was 24 when he died, too.

Their fame and wealth and playing for respected professional sports franchises didn't protect Williams and Taylor from an epidemic more lethal and closer than any war overseas, or any boogeyman terrorist we can unearth or create.

Violence in America has laid a special claim on young, black men. When it made its way to Taylor's exclusive suburban Miami neighborhood, it didn't care that Taylor was engaged, the father of an 18-month-old daughter, the son of a police chief, a trusted teammate, the fifth overall pick in the 2004 draft, a hard-hitting safety who teammates nicknamed "Meast" (half-man, half-beast), a Pro Bowler, the Redskins' leading tackler last season. Or that a plaque honoring him for a generous, monetary donation rests in the cafeteria at his former high school, Gulliver Preparatory.

"It sounded like things were getting better," a still-dazed Steve Howey, Taylor's high school coach, said early Tuesday morning. "To find out he'd died this morning, it just knocked the wind out of me."

Howey, now the football coach and athletic director at St. John Neumann High School in Naples, Fla., won a state title with Taylor in 2000 -- the defensive back's senior year. This is the first football player he's ever lost to violence.

"You hear about stuff like this from time to time," Howey said. "It's never been this close."

Perhaps the most pertinent question is, how much closer does it have to get before we realize these unfortunate incidents are reflective of an enormous crisis that requires our immediate attention and action?

A New York Times article reported the homicide rate among young, black men in America was seven times higher than any foreign country studied.

That article was published in 1990.

Why has nothing changed?

Studies conducted in 2006 at Columbia, Princeton, Harvard and other institutions concluded a black man is more than six times as likely to be murdered than a white man.

This isn't to say Taylor was killed because he was black. This is to say that, because he was black, Taylor was more likely to be killed. The weight of that should be just as jarring as waking up and discovering an NFL player died from a gunshot wound. Please don't roll your eyes, release a frustrated breath, and trivialize this as "playing the race card."

This is an American problem, not just a racial one. The fact that it has spilled into the sports world should indicate just how serious it is.

As unfortunate as Taylor's death is, as representative as it is of a much more substantive issue, the saddest part is his passing may never be put in its proper perspective.

Although study after study shows black men are more likely to be victims of crime, rarely do they receive victim treatment. When black athletes are crime victims, the undertone seems to be they somehow were at fault. Eddy Curry, Antoine Walker and Bucs cornerback Phillip Buchanon all have been victims of home invasions that seem as orchestrated as the one that claimed Taylor's life. In March of 2006, Buchanon was stripped naked and tied up by seven men in ski masks who robbed him and jammed a gun in his mouth. This past July, Curry and his family were bound by duct tape as men robbed him at gunpoint in his suburban Chicago home. The Pistons' Flip Murray narrowly escaped the same fate, slamming the door on two gunmen on his porch before he called police. Yet we seem to think it's much more likely a black athlete is holding the gun instead of staring down the barrel of one.

By now, everyone is well aware of Taylor's past brushes with the law. They should be equally aware that those who knew him best thought he had distanced himself from those troubles; he was someone who had overcome the growing pains associated with being a professional athlete given unimaginable wealth at a young age. No matter what, Taylor's past doesn't in any way justify him meeting this tragic present.

We should, of course, remember Taylor with a heavy heart. But it's even more important that we remember there are thousands just like him in communities within walking and easy driving distance. And they shouldn't have to wear a NFL uniform for us to care about them.

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I hope this tragedy helps raise awareness about violence and suffering in America today.

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242. "That was good stuff"
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Still tough for me to take though

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249. "She's been on fire lately."
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302. "yeah she really has"
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256. "more rhetoric and no solutions"
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all due respect, i see what she's saying and i agree. but how many times do we have to read articles drawing attention to the problem? when are we gonna start seeing some solutions-- economic, educational, legal-- we can all get behind? i'm tired of roundtable discussions and speeches, let's figure out how to turn this ship around and do it already.

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274. "I agree with you."
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282. "I kind of agree, especially since athletes are in a relatively powerful ..."
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And they could serve a worthwhile role in working towards a solution. I wish she had said something about that.

But jarring people out of apathy *is* a first step, and this article did serve that function to at least a small extent.

Also, there are solutions (economic, educational, and legal) being developed at the local level in every city where this is a problem. And they need people to support them. You do a little looking around I'm sure you could find one with integrity to get behind.

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236. "What a senseless tragedy, RIP"
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I awoke this morning to a text message from my brother that Sean Taylor died.......after reading about the cautiously positive outlook from yesterday, it hit me like a ton of bricks. Now its just a mixture of sadness and anger.

I literally have tears down my face as I type this.....duke was a superstar athlete with talent and athleticism that is rarely seen, he was cleaning up his outside life in order to be a better father, all his hard work and dedication is taken away by one person with a gun. It aint right, its just not fucking right.

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237. "reading over some old Post articles"
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including ones after the whole ATV incident, and some quotes from #21 that now seem somber.

"I think you're learning every day. People learn every day," said Taylor, wearing a plastic yellow "Livestrong" wristband from the Lance Armstrong Foundation. "From being 2- and 3-year-old babies to 50 and 60 years old. They're still learning until the day they die. If you're not learning, you're not living.

"I never ever, ever want to put myself in that situation. If I die, at least let it be in my sleep or an accident or something.

"It's something that makes me kind of think 10 steps ahead now: Getting shot at ain't something nice. I'm not talking about one or two bullets. I'm talking about a whole lot of bullets. It was a shocker. Man, these people don't care if you don't wake up tomorrow.

"I don't even know how to explain it. You would almost have to be in my shoes. There's so much more to live for than to go out by a bullet. I can't even put it in the correct words."

"At 22, I could have been off this earth," said Taylor, the second-oldest of four children. "You can't say my family wasn't close, but you kind of appreciate your family a little bit more. That bond is stronger, and you feel like, 'Hey, let me try to do more.'

"There's always room for improvement."

  

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239. "my favorite athlete ever. I cried this morning. nm"
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240. "john thompson droppin that science on sportstalk980 right now"
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241. "RIP... such a tragedy..."
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peace and blessings to his family... and hopefully whoever was involved in this will be brought to justice.

  

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243. "tragic..R.I.P."
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i was fortunate enough to see him play in college..easily the nastiest safety in CFB in 03 and 04
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244. "Horrible.....RIP"
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245. "Interesting blog post"
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http://svpstyle.blogspot.com/2007/11/what-sean-taylor-means-to-black-america.html

What Sean Taylor Means to Black America

Tuesday, November 27, 2007
Originally Published: jarrett-carter.com

To most people, the news of Sean Taylor's death hits harder than any tackle the 24-year-old safety laid on anyone during his superlative and stormy four years with the Washington Redskins. The death of any well-known athlete speaks to the heart of sports fans, who grow to identify with a number, a passion, and a presence that fills their Sundays.

But the death of Sean Taylor is a story that plays out in black communities all too often, without cameras, analysis, or widespread mourning. A black male with all the potential in the world to succeed, cut short because of past transgressions. His physical gifts and talents on the football field gave him an opportunity to turn his life around, but despite the multitude of resources, we still hear about the links to his violent, and sometimes criminal past.

So what will be the lesson that black folk take from this tragedy? Will black mothers hold the newspaper stories up in front of their sons with teary eyes and shaky voices? Will black fathers learn to talk to their sons as men about consequences and loyalty to circumstances beyond their control?

Will black sons look at Taylor as a martyr, a symbol of quiet toughness falling prey to haters within an altruistic ideology of loyalty to the friends and sins of the past?

What happens when the hope and tragedy of so many black men in this country intersects? What happens when the fame and riches of sports that allures so many children, intertwines with the reality of their everyday lives? What happens to black boys when they see that even sports can't save you?

They figure out that life isn't something to be saved, but to be invested in the moment they have right now. That you can only live for this day, and the desires of this moment. Ultimately, that's the only thing that they have complete ownership of, so why not make the most of it. That's what Sean Taylor did. When he was angry in the past, he acted acted. And how he wanted to channel that anger was exactly how it would be channeled.

And with as much passion and ferocity and he tracked down open receivers and leveled hapless punters in exhibition contests, he lived in fierce protection of his manhood, and his pride. Nothing he had attained or would attain, was more important than the respect he was owed, in any situation. And this same fire motivated him to become a better man and player, but not before the elements of his past would claim his life.

Perhaps the tales of Taylor defending his house and family in his last hours will become the stuff of urban lore among black men. The details of his wielding a machete against coming intruders may live on in the streets as a heroic epic that exemplified the passion with which he lived his life. The fact that he was prideful enough to occupy a home that had been breached just eight days earlier may speak to the heart of realness, and may erroneously supply definition to how a black man should conduct himself, even to his death.

But reality is Sean Taylor is dead. There will be others like him that won't get the goodbyes of a nation. We can only hope that the lesson in this tragedy won't be how to live and die as a loyal soldier, but to live forever as a leader of men.

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250. "Ryan Stewart from 790 The Zone knows some of the family"
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And he said the family was told from the jump that Taylor only had a 5 to 10% chance of survival.


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252. "RIP."
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When are the respective professional sports commissioners going to apply themselves to stopping this new robbing phenomenon?

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253. "R.I.P."
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254. "Portis is on the John Thompson show on 980 right now"
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259. "this is tough to listen to"
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260. "is he saying anything that's not in the papers/blog?"
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262. "some yes, some no."
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but i think the principle of hearing someone close to him was more important than what content has been regurgitated and whatnot.

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I can't imagine what Clinton is going through.

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255. "Good Lord. R.I.P."
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I feel so much for that little girl that's gonna grow up and only get to see pictures and hear stories about her father, but never actually get to see him in person. This seemingly endless string of young brothers dying has GOT to stop.

  

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257. "RIP"
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258. "if whitlock writes even one word about this........"
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don't do it, nigga. do not do it:
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look for it shortly

  

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263. "Joe Gibbs live press conference (link)"
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http://www.sportstalk980.com/cc-common/streaming_new/index.html?refreshed=yes

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264. "Goodell's statement"
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The commissioner's office has released this statement from Roger Goodell:

The entire NFL is deeply saddened by the death of Sean Taylor. We extend our heartfelt sympathy to Sean's family, friends, teammates, and the Redskins' organization. This is a terrible tragedy involving the loss of a young man who leaves behind many people struggling to understand it. Our office is staying in close contact with the Redskins to provide all appropriate support to the club and Sean's family. We also are working to determine the facts surrounding this tragic event. We will honor the memory of Sean Taylor at all games this weekend.

  

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266. "damn this one hurts..."
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one of my favorite players in the league and favorite hurricanes ever...i LOVED watching him play. he was the definition of a football player....and it seemed like he was really turning his life around. man this is so sad.

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267. "CP to change his number to Sean's #21..."
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I heard they reported it on Comcast...

Not just for the next game but for the future.

Searching for a link...

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my thoughts,

peace.


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268. "Eddie Curry, Antoine Walker, Sean Taylor... who stickin them up?"
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269. "RE: RIP SEAN TAYLOR"
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Sad RIP

  

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270. "I am sick about this news!"
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Can't shake the feeling of sadness and not sure why the connection is so strong -but- his passing feels like the loss of a family member. Maybe b/c he was so young, or that he was home with girlfriend and newborn, or that it was so unnecessary. Could be that I've lost too many this year already/ I'm sick about the news, going out like that is so flucking ridiculous. Makes no sense.

Best wishes to his family. They will be included in my prayers

That is all!

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271. "R.I.P. n/m"
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272. "sad, R.I.P"
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273. "Yet another senseless gun violence death...R.I.P"
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a conversation I heard today;

Person A: I heard he tried to attack dude w/ a machete (sp)

Person B: Word?

Person A: Yeah, he needed to have a gun there.

Person C: No...he needed the other guy to NOT have one.






...and there it is.


Prayers to the Taylor family.

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They will tell you that they need you but they've got an ulterior motive - Personal gain

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275. "so damn sad...RIP"
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I loved following Sean's career from the U up to the Skins, he played with that old school passion and fire that to me is what football is all about. such a senseless, senseless act of violence and I hope they catch whoever did this. God Bless 21 and prayers to his friends and family...
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276. "*cries*"
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:( R.I.P to one of my favorite players. This is just sad. What angers me the most right now is that the dude who shot him is still out there right now.

  

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277. "RE: RIP SEAN TAYLOR"
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Iam still shocked.I have followed his career from when he was at the U.He was so gifted and the prototype safety.He was having a great year again.This is just bad I feel bad for the family.RIP #21 no doubt in my mind he would've been a Hall of Fame player.

  

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279. "RIP #21"
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This whole situation just makes me sick.

So young...so much potential.

I got a 16 month old myself so that hits home to me too.

Damn...Damn...Damn Shame.

Love and Prayers to his family, friends and all who cared about him.

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280. "RIP S.T."
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Love him or hate him as a player, he was a monster on the field. I'm glad he made strides to better himself as a man off of it. Hopefully his death will prompt others to re-evaluate their lives.

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281. "def not what I wanted to wake up to."
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R.I.P.

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283. "Good Mike Wise article"
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/27/AR2007112701697.html

Death of Taylor Leaves Nothing but Disbelief
By Mike Wise
Tuesday, November 27, 2007; 3:49 PM

In other places, it is time to dissect the senselessness, to understand what terrible, awful events led up to the death of Sean Taylor -- to figure out why a kid who had everything to live for seemingly died for nothing.

Today in Ashburn, the most numbing and tragic day in franchise history, there are only looks of disbelief, tears and a deepening hurt that won't go away.

Red-eyed teammates, some inconsolable. Weeping coaches, trying to hold it together. Shaken team employees, comforting big, strong grown men who have spent their whole existence learning to hide pain instead of dealing with it.

Reed Doughty choked back tears. Someone asked if he was crying.

"Of course," he began, about to break down, "It's real."

Pete Kendall was asked if he had spoken to his children about Taylor's death. "I'm sure that will come," he said. "They asked and my wife and I just tried to explain to them there was a situation."

Compared to usual protocol around the Redskins, the scene is just so surreal. In the NFL, Tuesday is considered an off day, a time to rest bodies and recuperate for the next week's game. Who among them ever believed they would be mourning the passing of a teammate?

Taylor, the enigmatic Redskins safety, is dead at 24 years old. He died during the night after earlier reports that he had been responsive to attending physicians. Everyone who left Redskins Park in Ashburn last night around midnight had their cautious optimism stripped away sometime after 6 a.m., the moment we learned of his death.

He's gone? He's gone.

And for what, men seeking his material wealth? Revenge? His fearless nature? No one is sure today. No one here cares. They all weep and wonder how it is that a young, virile Pro Bowl safety -- the player Sports Illustrated tabbed the hardest hitter in the NFL -- did not wake up this morning to begin the long road to recovery.

They all swallow hard and wonder how such a strong, resilient kid, whose on-field collisions brought back memories of Ronnie Lott and Jack Tatum and all the game's ferocious defenders, somehow was shot in his own home and became yet another Miami-Dade County homicide victim.

It should be mentioned that, disturbingly in this violent country, Sean Taylor became another young, black male whose dreams perished before his 25th birthday. He just happened to be richer and more famous than the rest.

The scene here is just so surreal, almost incomprehensible. No one here today could even remember the last time a professional team's star athlete was murdered in the middle of the season. Lyman Bostock Jr., maybe. Bostock was a rising star for the Minnesota Twins in 1978, who carried the namesake of his father, a former Negro Leagues star. While visiting an uncle the week before the season ended, he was mistakenly shot by a man aiming for his estranged wife. He died at 27. Like Taylor, Bostock had less than four complete seasons before his death.

In the Washington area, the only thing that comes close is former University of Maryland basketball star Len Bias's cocaine-induced death in June of 1986 after he was drafted by the Boston Celtics. He was just 22 years old.

Like Bias, Taylor had so much in front of him -- an 18-month-old daughter to raise, a football career to further distinguish himself, maybe one day a bust in Canton, Ohio, beside all the other Hall of Famers. At the very least, a long life to lead. And now there is nothing.

NFL players are often freakish, and not just in physical stature. If they are among the largest and strongest men in the world, they also pride themselves on their ability to manage pain, especially emotional pain. Acknowledging that kind of hurt is still, sadly, considered a weakness.

In some ways they are more unprepared to deal with Taylor's experience than most people. When elite athletes gear the mind to be impervious toward shortcomings -- when they begin to believe the myth of their own invincibility -- it is that much more difficult to get in touch with their own mortality.

And yet there was Clinton Portis before he boarded a plane for Miami, his voice about to break, distilling what we all felt when he said, "This ain't nothing you live and die for."

"What you live and die for is your kids, you live and die for your family and that's what Sean was doing," Portis said.

For much of his brief career Taylor distrusted the media, feeling he had been unfairly portrayed as a University of Miami thug while also at the same time refusing to publicly acknowledge his role in that perception. A sincere attempt to get Taylor to open up in an interview last month went nowhere; the trust just wasn't there. Sad, isn't it, that the player who often barely said a word is having his life talked about incessantly today?

There are millions of questions about this young man to be debated. His past, some of which was criminal and could easily be construed as violent. His decision to return to South Florida and lose contact again with his coach, Joe Gibbs. And Taylor's connection to the controversial Miami football program, which just last season had a player murdered outside his apartment complex during the season.

In the wake of his death, it's fair to ask if any or all of this contributed to his life being taken. But not here, not in Ashburn.

Before quickly considering this is a criminal case or foolishly stereotyping this as "a U. thing," Taylor's death should be considered a people issue. In the parking lot of a Northern Virginia office building -- at a National Football League training facility, of all places -- this is simply about a young man who died too soon and left his teammates, friends and extended family groping for answers to a tragedy.

The truth is, whatever Taylor was, whatever his past, he made a sincere effort to alter what people thought of him before he died. "That man changed his life, that man changed his mentality, changed his attitude, he came to work with a defined happiness," Portis said on Monday, as Taylor was still clinging to life in Miami.

This team is somehow supposed to play a football game on Sunday, but right now it feels so distant. As the people with red, bleary eyes keep coming through the door, there is no blessing in disguise here, no payoff to this story that can make the pain and the tears disappear. There is just sadness and the unending feeling that nothing will be the same here anymore, where Sean Taylor plied his trade daily after he pulled into his painted, No. 21 parking space.

Today, along with the grief in Ashburn, it is all that is left.

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284. "Rest in Peace Sean Taylor"
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What a sad day.

WHO'S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?!?! NOOOOBODDDDYY!!!!

  

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285. "wtf...i cant believe this happened."
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he was so young.
RIP.

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286. "Anyone else hear..."
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...his attorney on Mike and Mike give a blow by blow description of the account?

He was in his bed with his wife and daughter....

unbelievable...sad...frightening...utterly heartbreaking

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291. "I just saw it. It cleared UP A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAD."
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Like about his case. He could have had a weapon. I didn't know that.

I also saw a better picture of his house. He had a gate. I didn't know that.

He had a security system. He just didn't arm it 'cause his girl's sister was staying with him. I was wondering how many outside people had access. I know now...

It cleared up a lot for me.

(Sneezes) Sorry, I am allergic to bullsh#t.


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287. "Leonard Shapiro - Disgraceful"
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I knew a couple of journalists would show their asses.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/27/AR2007112701111.html?hpid=topnews

A few years ago, I was allowed to spend what became a thoroughly illuminating afternoon at the NFL's rookie symposium, then, a four-day session held at Lansdowne Resort near Leesburg. Every drafted rookie was and still is required to attend an annual event designed to prepare the players for a wide variety of issues they would soon be facing as highly visible professional athletes.

One of the more compelling elements that day was a series of skits put on by a professional acting troupe based in New York. A wide variety of scenarios was played out on the stage; from a scene in a club showing an athlete losing his temper when his girlfriend was groped by a drunken bar fly to a young player confronted by his larcenous cousin wanting him to buy a recently stolen sound system at a very reduced rate.

At the dramatic high point of each presentation, at about the time the player would have to make a very critical and potentially life-altering decision, a voice offstage would scream out "FREEZE!!!!!" and the actors literally stopped and became living, breathing statues. At that point, a discussion leader stepped out and opened the floor to comments and questions on how the fictional player would have, and should have handled that situation.

Consequences was the theme of the day. Everything you do has consequences, and even more so when you are young, rich and a highly visible professional athlete.

I've been thinking about that symposium ever since the news broke Monday morning that Sean Taylor, the Redskins Pro Bowl safety had been shot in an apparent burglary attempt at his home in a suburban Miami neighborhood. Tragically, Taylor died early Tuesday morning from a bullet that severed the femoral artery in his groin area. The massive loss of blood was too much for even this seemingly superbly conditioned athlete to overcome.

He was only 24, the father of an 18-month-old baby girl who was also in the house along with her mother, Taylor's girlfriend. And this was for real. No symposium. No actors. No questions and answers from the audience, and certainly no one around to yell "FREEZE!!!! before the madness in Miami escalated into murder. The consequence of who knows what?

At the moment, it is far too soon to draw any conclusions as to how or why this tragedy occurred, why another young black man is now dead from a gunshot wound in his own home, why another athlete, Michael Vick, Pacman Jones, Tank Johnson, and now Sean Taylor becomes headline news for all the wrong reasons.

Certainly it would be terribly easy to rush toward some sort of instant judgment based on what we think we all knew about Taylor and the sort of life he once, and for all we know, still led. But really, we know nothing at the moment, and until we do, "may he rest in peace" ought to be the operative phrase for this day.

Still, could anyone honestly say they never saw this coming? You'd have to be blind not to consider Taylor's checkered past. It was only a few months after he was drafted, when we got something of an inkling of what sort of young man the Redskins were selecting out of the University of Miami with the fifth overall selection in 2004.

For one, Taylor brazenly skipped the rookie symposium he was required to attend his first year, and was fined accordingly by the NFL. You also can look at the timeline of his professional life printed on this web site or in the newspaper and draw your own preliminary conclusions.

Over the first few years Taylor was in the league, he bounced from one scrape to another, blowing off the symposium, disrespecting Hall of Fame coach Joe Gibbs by not showing up for mandatory offseason workouts and never calling to explain why, running afoul of the law in a widely reported shooting incident in South Florida and very nearly going to jail.

On the field, Taylor often was a thoroughly undisciplined player who loved to make bold statements with vicious and often dangerous hits that occasionally got him tossed from games. Clearly, he seemed to embrace the thug image on and off the field, and the fact that he rarely spoke to members of the media only enhanced his reputation as a moody, enigmatic athlete we hardly ever got to know.

My colleague, Post columnist and ESPN broadcaster Michael Wilbon was asked about Taylor during his weekly internet web site discussion Monday and said, "I've known guys like Taylor all my life, grew up with some. They still have shades of gray and shouldn't be painted in black and white.

"I know how I feel about Taylor, and this latest news isn't surprising in the least, not to me. Whether this incident is or isn't random, Taylor grew up in a violent world, embraced it, claimed it, loved to run in it and refused to divorce himself from it. He ain't the first and won't be the last. We have no idea what happened, or if what we know now will be revised later. It's sad, yes, but hardly surprising."

In the wake of his shooting, we are now hearing about a so-called new Sean Taylor, a guy who seemed to be getting his life back in order, perhaps because of the birth of his child. Maybe a light bulb finally went off in his head. He was even enjoying arguably the best season of his career until he was derailed by a knee injury two weeks ago.

After a loss to Dallas two weeks ago, everyone around here, and in the Redskins locker room, was saying there was no way Terrell Owens would have caught four touchdown passes if Taylor had been patrolling the middle of the field, prepared to pounce and pound the yappy receiver any chance he got.

And on Monday, a stream of Redskins players and coaches were paraded in front of the cameras and microphones at Redskins Park to testify that Taylor had truly turned his life around for the better.

"The man changed his life," said running back Clinton Portis, his best friend and a former Miami teammate. "That man changed his mentality, changed his attitude. He came to work with a defined happiness."

But now, Sean Taylor will never come to work again. Never mind the impact of his loss on the football team, the last thing anyone ought to be thinking about at the moment. Instead, we need to focus on why this unspeakable tragedy happened and how we can keep it from happening to so many other young men soon to be attending rookie symposiums of their own.

If everything we're hearing about his life turnaround is true, surely Taylor would have been a marvelous speaker to show up at the 2008 session this spring. Maybe this time, when the man off stage shouts "FREEZE!!!!" everyone in the room will be thinking about truth, and consequences and surely paying a lot more attention.

Leonard Shapiro can be reached at badgerlen@hotmail.com or badgerlen@aol.com.

  

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288. "Is this guy serious?"
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Skipping something where a bunch of improv actors do junior high skits ---------> disrespecting Joe Gibbs ----------> murdered in your home? Did he really just draw that correlation?

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289. "did you read the reader comments?"
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That's the only encouraging sign.

Everyone wants his head.

  

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293. "they have a petition going to fire Shapiro and Wilbon:"
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http://petitionspot.com/petitions/firewilbonandshapiro

  

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297. "yeah Wilbon was my dude but he went out like a B.A.N w/ that shit"
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he all talking about he wasnt surprised and shit


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313. "Read his column from the Post today"
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He explains himself pretty well.

I will forever ride for Wilbon though, so I'm biased. I haven't seen many sportswriters who are better than him and he brings a LOT of light to racial/social issues *without being self-righteous*...I respect him a great deal.

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292. "RE: Is this guy serious?"
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Sadly he is and you'll see a ton more arguments like this one. Another forum I frequent one dude said, "he was a thug period, he got what was coming to him."

Of course dude that said this was white, but how many other people do you think agree with dude?

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290. "Makes"
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you wonder about people. In the wake of all of this a person decides to write an article like this. It's sad. *smh*

  

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295. "it helps white folks make sense of life"
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when they can justify a senseless murder with some form of "he had it coming" or "this is what happens when". he had it coming because he didn't get along with joe gibbs? he had it coming because he was one of the hardest hitting safeties in the NFL? this is what happens when you skip the rookie symposium? this is what happens when you make a decision to limit your discussions with the media? (maybe BiaSed articles like this were the reason taylor withdrew) it's laughable how hard the writer is reaching to draw from anything and everything in taylor's past that might make his death make sense. but the article is nonsense because it completely misses the most fundamental truth of this tragedy: taylor's death DOESN'T make sense, he DIDN'T have it coming, and this is NOT or should not be what happens when you leave your girlfriend and baby daughter in the bedroom to check on a noise downstairs.

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307. "helps many/most white folks"
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not all white folks.

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325. "y'all need to talk to them other ones, then"
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cuz they make you ones with sense look bad

  

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331. "word"
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you and frank need to call a meeting and get your people right.

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334. "Seriosuly"
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296. "now it will get swept under the rug like he never wrote the 1st one."
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https://twitter.com/chuck4prez

  

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303. "Man this is really making me angry"
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and you already know Uncle Rukus is gonna definately show his ass

  

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that's punishment enough.

  

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294. "RIP"
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300. "I might be offically DONE with espn after this shit"
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they taking this too far

i cant believe they cite the 5 incidents he got into as if they got ANYTHING to do with this shit to make him look like he deserved it

  

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DoctorBombay
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306. "Whitlock!"
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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7499442

Taylor's death a grim reminder for us all
Jason Whitlock / FOXSports.com
Posted: 9 minutes ago

There's a reason I call them the Black KKK. The pain, the fear and the destruction are all the same.
Someone who loved Sean Taylor is crying right now. The life they knew has been destroyed, an 18-month-old baby lost her father, and, if you're a black man living in America, you've been reminded once again that your life is in constant jeopardy of violent death.

The Black KKK claimed another victim, a high-profile professional football player with a checkered past this time.

No, we don't know for certain the circumstances surrounding Taylor's death. I could very well be proven wrong for engaging in this sort of aggressive speculation. But it's no different than if you saw a fat man fall to the ground clutching his chest. You'd assume a heart attack, and you'd know, no matter the cause, the man needed to lose weight.

Well, when shots are fired and a black man hits the pavement, there's every statistical reason to believe another black man pulled the trigger. That's not some negative, unfair stereotype. It's a reality we've been living with, tolerating and rationalizing for far too long.

When the traditional, white KKK lynched, terrorized and intimidated black folks at a slower rate than its modern-day dark-skinned replacement, at least we had the good sense to be outraged and in no mood to contemplate rationalizations or be fooled by distractions.


Our new millennium strategy is to pray the Black KKK goes away or ignores us. How's that working?

About as well as the attempt to shift attention away from this uniquely African-American crisis by focusing on an alleged injustice the white media allegedly perpetrated against Sean Taylor.

Within hours of his death, there was a story circulating that members of the black press were complaining that news outlets were disrespecting Taylor's victimhood by reporting on his troubled past

No disrespect to Taylor, but he controlled the way he would be remembered by the way he lived. His immature, undisciplined behavior with his employer, his run-ins with law enforcement, which included allegedly threatening a man with a loaded gun, and the fact a vehicle he owned was once sprayed with bullets are all pertinent details when you've been murdered.

Marcellus Wiley, a former NFL player, made the radio circuit Wednesday, singing the tune that athletes are targets. That was his explanation for the murders of Taylor and Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams and the armed robberies of NBA players Antoine Walker and Eddy Curry.

Really?

Let's cut through the bull(manure) and deal with reality. Black men are targets of black men. Period. Go check the coroner's office and talk with a police detective. These bullets aren't checking W-2s.

Rather than whine about white folks' insensitivity or reserve a special place of sorrow for rich athletes, we'd be better served mustering the kind of outrage and courage it took in the 1950s and 1960s to stop the white KKK from hanging black men from trees.

But we don't want to deal with ourselves. We take great joy in prescribing medicine to cure the hate in other people's hearts. Meanwhile, our self-hatred, on full display for the world to see, remains untreated, undiagnosed and unrepentant.

Our self-hatred has been set to music and reinforced by a pervasive culture that promotes a crab-in-barrel mentality.

You're damn straight I blame hip hop for playing a role in the genocide of American black men. When your leading causes of death and dysfunction are murder, ignorance and incarceration, there's no reason to give a free pass to a culture that celebrates murder, ignorance and incarceration.

Of course there are other catalysts, but until we recapture the minds of black youth, convince them that it's not OK to "super man dat ho" and end any and every dispute by "cocking on your bitch," nothing will change.

Does a Soulja Boy want an education?

HBO did a fascinating documentary on Little Rock Central High School, the Arkansas school that required the National Guard so that nine black kids could attend in the 1950s. Fifty years later, the school is one of the nation's best in terms of funding and educational opportunities. It's 60 percent black and located in a poor black community.

Watch the documentary and ask yourself why nine poor kids in the '50s risked their lives to get a good education and a thousand poor black kids today ignore the opportunity that is served to them on a platter.

Blame drugs, blame Ronald Reagan, blame George Bush, blame it on the rain or whatever. There's only one group of people who can change the rotten, anti-education, pro-violence culture our kids have adopted. We have to do it.

According to reports, Sean Taylor had difficulty breaking free from the unsavory characters he associated with during his youth.

The "keepin' it real" mantra of hip hop is in direct defiance to evolution. There's always someone ready to tell you you're selling out if you move away from the immature and dangerous activities you used to do, you're selling out if you speak proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man, do anything mainstream.

The Black KKK is enforcing the same crippling standards as its parent organization. It wants to keep black men in their place — uneducated, outside the mainstream and six feet deep.

In all likelihood, the Black Klan and its mentality buried Sean Taylor, and any black man or boy reading this could be next.

  

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ChuckFoPrez
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308. "fuck him"
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https://twitter.com/chuck4prez

  

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309. "Jesus..."
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311. "jesus freakin christ"
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ok...the only explanations: he's either evil incarnate, or caste football is playing the most elaborate B. Rockwell hoax ever assembled. and i doubt those idiots could pull it off.

the black kkk? soulja boy? He couldn't even mention a hip hop artist who actually does glorify guns and violence? Instead its soulja boy? i'd laugh, but this is too fucked up. and he's talking about self-hatred and not staring in a mirror? wow.

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312. "Why am I not surprised?"
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Man this dude is the worst

if hip hop didnt exist he'll be blaming contemporary R&B

He cites soulja Boy??
Man he is a enemy of the people
and a racist

I really dont like him

  

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317. "are you fucking kidding me? he really wrote that?"
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that's not someone trying to parody him?


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323. "BWAHAHAHAHAH!"
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Oh my goodness he is such a damn joke. I don't even get outraged no more by him. His foolishness is starting to become funny.

  

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332. "post #258"
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i saw this coming. you just know whitlock got a furious erection when he heard the news.

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339. "Jason Whitlock pierces all of your souls, because...."
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Thu Nov-29-07 12:12 PM by terry_funk

          

You know he's right. Same thing with Cosby. If you have any cares at all about the survival of black people, If you have any real love for our people and our culture, even if you don't say it so as not to look lame in front of the cool kids, you know he has a point. If you are from an inner city neighborhood, or are familiar with the goings on besides what you read about, some bullshit stat that you may have read, or some shit that you saw on TV and have any sense of introspection, you know he has a point. Im fucking sick and fucking tired of our people slaughtering each other like dogs.

Sean Taylor DID NOT HAVE TO GO LIKE THIS!!!!

  

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natlawdp
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342. "*takes a crack at it*"
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Thu Nov-29-07 01:47 PM by natlawdp

          

i think the problem is that whitlock's agenda is basically 'hip hop creates degenerates beyond redemption'.

he consistently stretches to make that point.

he's using sean taylor to further his agenda, despite evidence that sean was moving beyond any past troubling behavior.

but he would claim redemption and advocate on behalf of his friend jeff george 'til the end of the earth.

plus he never calls out the people who made the decision that hip hop will continue to be promoted (despite any negative message) to the masses as the pop music of today. pop acts follow the promotional dough- why whitlock/BET/whoever ain't having hip hop summits that demand explanations from lyor, iovine, harrell, WEA, etc., i don't know...

the notion of crabs in the barrel is not whitlock's invention.



>You know he's right. Same thing with Cosby. If you have any
>cares at all about the survival of black people, If you have
>any real love for our people and our culture, even if you
>don't say it so as not to look lame in front of the cool kids,
>you know he has a point. If you are from an inner city
>neighborhood, or are familiar with the goings on besides what
>you read about, some bullshit stat that you may have read, or
>some shit that you saw on TV and have any sense of
>introspection, you know he has a point. Im fucking sick and
>fucking tired of our people slaughtering each other like dogs.
>
>
>Sean Taylor DID NOT HAVE TO GO LIKE THIS!!!!

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thejerseytornado
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343. "how's the view from that tall horse?"
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you're sitting on? look good? bad?

Whitlock's problems are many. Let's just mention a couple
1. An absurdly simplified view of hip hop.
2. A terrible sense of causation
3. a failure to cite any structure cause/blame white folk much at all.
4. Anecdotes lead to generalizations
5. really, really bad terms (black KKK)

that's just to start. Is there a problem in the ghetto of violence? of course. Is the proper response to Sean Taylor's murder blaming hip hop? fuck that.
>Sean Taylor DID NOT HAVE TO GO LIKE THIS!!!!


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350. "C'mon, man"
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Thu Nov-29-07 03:22 PM by terry_funk

          

>you're sitting on? look good? bad?
>

This is the most pressing matter to me, my people and my city, and all you can do is reply with this tired shit?!? No offense, but fuck a tall horse or whatever the fuck you rapping about homie, I'm talking real shit. I'm gonna go out on a limb, and say (just from what you just posted, and your sig), from the shit that IVE SEEN WITH MY OWN TWO, experienced and mourned over, and where I'm from (Philly) that this issue hits MUCH closer to home for me than you (Be Honest, but if I'm wrong in my presumptions, apologies, But I dont think I am).. So save that nonsense for the pawnshop, 'cause I ain't buying it.

>Whitlock's problems are many. Let's just mention a couple
>1. An absurdly simplified view of hip hop.
>2. A terrible sense of causation
>3. a failure to cite any structure cause/blame white folk much
>at all.
>4. Anecdotes lead to generalizations
>5. really, really bad terms (black KKK)

>that's just to start. Is there a problem in the ghetto of
>violence? of course. Is the proper response to Sean Taylor's
>murder blaming hip hop? fuck that.

Bottom line, and it's time to face up to the facts, hip hop culture (from efil4zaggiN, the most coontastic, REAL uncle tom ass, harmful, hateful record EVAR, on up) and the mentality that it represents has been more harmful than helpful to the black youth. And this is coming from someone who is a fan of (some) hip hop. Prove me wrong. Prove to me how Thug-centric Hip Hop has improved the morale of our youth. If anything, we've become just like the music... Soulless.

>>Sean Taylor DID NOT HAVE TO GO LIKE THIS!!!!

This bears repeating... Sean Taylor DID NOT HAVE TO GO LIKE THIS!!!!


  

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352. "Isn't this board (and entire site) from Hip Hop Culture?"
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Yes, thug-centric hip hop is a problem but Whitlock paints the hip hop community in one stroke. It's all bad. Whining about hip hop today is like whining about rock and roll in the '60's. Yes, there were some bands that focused just on the sex and drugs but there were also bands that inspired and motivated.

I also think that is silly to focus so much on hip hop when it is as much of an effect and it is a cause. Maybe if we actually worked to fix our schools, give everyone an opportunity, and helped clean up our inner cities, people would see thug-centric hip hop as the misguided babblings that it really is (and it could inspire more positive or progressive hip hop)

Whitlock isn't completely wrong. What he does that is misguided is funneling every mistake into one issue: hip hop. He acts like if you changed hip-hop, suddenly all of the violence would cease.

Sean Taylor made a lot of mistakes in his life that led to this tragedy. Personally, I don't think his choice of music was one of them.

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terry_funk
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354. "RE: Isn't this board (and entire site) from Hip Hop Culture?"
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Thu Nov-29-07 04:15 PM by terry_funk

          

I dont hate hip hop. I simply hate some of the negativity (and musical degeneration, but that's another post) that come from the morons that have taken it over (50, Jeezy, Wayne, TI and those of that ilk).

>Yes, thug-centric hip hop is a problem but Whitlock paints
>the hip hop community in one stroke. It's all bad.

Because that style and sound is the mainstream representation of the genre, and like it or not, pretty much all genres are judged by the mainstream perception, fair or not.

>I also think that is silly to focus so much on hip hop when it
>is as much of an effect and it is a cause. Maybe if we
>actually worked to fix our schools, give everyone an
>opportunity, and helped clean up our inner cities, people
>would see thug-centric hip hop as the misguided babblings that
>it really is (and it could inspire more positive or
>progressive hip hop)

Good sentiment, but the way entertainment and pop culture is scrutinized and obsessed over and it's ideals internalized (please don't try to argue that hip hop "swagger" isn't internalized by impressionable kids and some adults, because I KNOW that that is a fact), and knowing how much music means to the black community, The entertainers have a lot more influence (and responsibility) than folks who defend hip hop to the death will admit.

>
>Whitlock isn't completely wrong. What he does that is
>misguided is funneling every mistake into one issue: hip hop.
>He acts like if you changed hip-hop, suddenly all of the
>violence would cease.

>
>Sean Taylor made a lot of mistakes in his life that led to
>this tragedy. Personally, I don't think his choice of music
>was one of them.

Hip-Hop is more than music, it's a lifestyle. Isn't that one of the hip hop cliche's that you've heard repeated over and over again? The actual disc itself obviously hurts no one, but lifestyle that is represented in the music sure don't help.

  

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358. "People do defend film and music too far"
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I especially see that now with my nephew. Trying to keep certain images away from him is almost impossible. Although when he gets older, I don't think the issue will be keeping him away from those images/messages but explaining to him why they are foolish (if not just wrong).

But again, here's the chicken/egg issue: "the way entertainment and pop culture is scrutinized and obsessed over" gives the entertainers more power. So, in the end, Whitlock's constant barrage of wide-sweeping generalizations against hip-hop only give the wrong people more influence IMO. Outlaws are always attractive to kids. It's been that way since Jesse James. You can't just point and say they are bad, you really have to break down all the flaws(which I don't think Whitlock does.)

Also, Whitlock overlooks why certain artists are "taking over". Yes, Jeezy, 50, etc. should be addressed for their lyrics but why lay it all on them and ignore the media corporations that are filling the airwaves with this type of music.

I'm not saying that the current state of hip hop isn't a major issue. My point is that to make it the only focus and to harp on it as much and as broadly as Whitlock does turns the issue into a punchline.

And on a side note, Whitlock also reminds me of Republicans who want to ban violent films but then support the rights for people to buy automatic weapons. Whitlock is a sports writer and the current sports world is hardly a paradise. Priorities are screwed up, people are taught to be aggressive almost to a fault, etc. I'd say a good number of traits that made Sean Taylor a great safety were also what got him in trouble.

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380. "RE: People do defend film and music too far"
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>And on a side note, Whitlock also reminds me of Republicans
>who want to ban violent films but then support the rights for
>people to buy automatic weapons. Whitlock is a sports writer
>and the current sports world is hardly a paradise. Priorities
>are screwed up, people are taught to be aggressive almost to a
>fault, etc. I'd say a good number of traits that made Sean
>Taylor a great safety were also what got him in trouble.

which trouble would you be referring to?

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356. "one thing"
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>This bears repeating... Sean Taylor DID NOT HAVE TO GO LIKE
>THIS!!!!

no doubt. and i'm gonna stop responding to this here cuz i respect that message too much to politicize it more. feel free to inbox if you want, but publicly, that's all I want said. suffice to say, though, that i don't agree with you.

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368. "So it's Sean Taylor's &amp; hip hop's fault a nigga broke"
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Fri Nov-30-07 10:18 AM by Nomaad

  

          

into HIS house
and shot HIM in HIS house???

The police chief already said it was random

Whitlock is a grandstander who hates young black people
he is a shock journalist
so i really am not surprised he would go there
but this is not thye time or the place for his and others like him's posteuring

I wanna know what he will do if hip hop was erased tomorrow what would he do then?

he probably would start attacking contemporary R&B




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344. "He lost me"
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The Little Rock School is one of the best, is mostly black, in a black community, but black kids are running away from a good education?

Any black man could be a victim of the black KKK but Sean Taylor is still somehow to blame?

Hip Hop invented the "Keepin' it Real" sentiment? People have always mistaken moving out of the neighborhood as "selling out". And by people, I mean people of all colors. I went to a prep school and a lot of people in my white Catholic suburban town saw me as turning my back on them and immediately assumed that I thought it was too good for the public school.
---
Maybe I don't read his articles enough but does Jason Whitlock make a point to praise positive black athletes or is the only time he mentions Little Rock when he can use it as an example to tear someone down?

It just seems that he's so quick to criticize (and usually does so in generalizations that make it seem like ALL black kids are gangsters) that he's not helping anyone.

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348. "I seriously kinda hate dude."
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I hope to God one day he can look back on some of the nonsense he wrote and realize he made a mistake.


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351. "Yeah, fuck him for caring about the welfare of Black people n/m"
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353. "You really believe that's his intentions? WOW!"
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Bill Cosby, who I agree with, intentions are the love of black people. Not this man. But if you really think that, hey...


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355. "I seriously do. If he didn't care about black folks...."
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I don't think he'd waste time writing this piece. I don't think he would get on his soapbox as often as he does. Someone who was apathtic to the plight of our people would just.... ignore our problems (which far too many of our people do), I believe. Maybe I'm naive, I dunno, but I don't think I am. The shit he's saying here isn't too far off from what Cosby (or many other "regular" older black people) says (his shit has a bit more sting and bite to it, though).

Even if that's not his intention, the bottom line is this... We Have To Find The Problem And Do Something About Killing Each Other. It's really not hard not to kill niggas, regardless what Jay-Z says.

  

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363. "Then we have to not agree based on perception b/c"
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>I don't think he'd waste time writing this piece. I don't
>think he would get on his soapbox as often as he does. Someone
>who was apathtic to the plight of our people would just....
>ignore our problems (which far too many of our people do), I
>believe. Maybe I'm naive, I dunno, but I don't think I am.
>The shit he's saying here isn't too far off from what Cosby
>(or many other "regular" older black people) says (his shit
>has a bit more sting and bite to it, though).

he's a shock journalist and if you have followed his career you know he say what he says just for HIM...not for black people. This man could get a fuck about black people. And putting pen to paper isn't an indication that you have good intentions. So you're telling me we are to believe that people are being serious about what they write or say just because they beat us over the head with it? If that's the case black people shouldn't believe anything good will come from being here at all.


>Even if that's not his intention, the bottom line is this...
>We Have To Find The Problem And Do Something About Killing
>Each Other. It's really not hard not to kill niggas,
>regardless what Jay-Z says.

So you think people don't care about the "problems" that plague the black community? They are plenty of people who speak on it and I'll listen to what they have to say because their intention are that they REALLY CARE about the black community. If you don't care about his intentions behind why he's saying what he's say, then I'm not the person to have this argument because that's very important to me.



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369. "I agree with you"
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Whitlock is opportunistic and less than tactful.

But he does care about black people.

And he TRULY BELIEVES that this music is a negative influence on the kids.

He never denies that poverty, lack of education, and any of the 10,000 other institutional problems exist.

He just doesn't care about that.

His point is that rap music is PARTICULARLY dangerous and vile, BECAUSE those problems already exist.

And furthermore, that a lot of people buy into a negative LIFESTYLE via hip hop. Which is undoubtedly true.

Sean Taylor had a working father, had a family, went to good schools, generally had opportunities.

But allegedly still got caught up in being gangster wild.

Now that happens partly because of being a young male.

But part of that happens because it's socially acceptable to be ignorant, violent, angry and generally nihilistic.


I love the music. But it's corrosive.

Why cop pleas for this stuff?


No it's not just music. It's a general culture of violence. But I think it's actually MORE responsible to deal with the stuff black people create FIRST.

I don't care if Whitlock paints with a wide brush. Nobody is coming after Talib Kweli. He's safe. We all know which artists Whitlock is talking about. The violent, angry, ignorant, nihilistic ones.


If we can't admit that it's a bad idea to expose vulnerable people to music that celebrates the stuff that makes them vulnerable in the first place, then we've officially gone too far, and I'm getting off at the next stop.



  

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372. "RE: I seriously do. If he didn't care about black folks...."
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http://tinyurl.com/2tuhjk


Jason Whitlock^

down/back,down,down,forward,up/forward,punch

  

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375. "dog, GO IN- Links to the Real Whitlock Experience..."
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http://www.cjr.org/behind_the_news/jason_whitlock_had_a_great_tim.php?page=1

http://www.cosellout.com/?p=107


TFunk- what you are FEELING is real. what he is WRITING is for a reason OTHER than those REAL FEELINGS you/we have...


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362. "What is "wrong" about this part of the article?"
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Did this strike a nerve with people? How is Whitlock off-base here?

>
>Really?
>
>Let's cut through the bull(manure) and deal with reality.
>Black men are targets of black men. Period. Go check the
>coroner's office and talk with a police detective. These
>bullets aren't checking W-2s.
>
>Rather than whine about white folks' insensitivity or reserve
>a special place of sorrow for rich athletes, we'd be better
>served mustering the kind of outrage and courage it took in
>the 1950s and 1960s to stop the white KKK from hanging black
>men from trees.
>
>But we don't want to deal with ourselves. We take great joy in
>prescribing medicine to cure the hate in other people's
>hearts. Meanwhile, our self-hatred, on full display for the
>world to see, remains untreated, undiagnosed and unrepentant.
>
>
>Our self-hatred has been set to music and reinforced by a
>pervasive culture that promotes a crab-in-barrel mentality.
>
>You're damn straight I blame hip hop for playing a role in the
>genocide of American black men. When your leading causes of
>death and dysfunction are murder, ignorance and incarceration,
>there's no reason to give a free pass to a culture that
>celebrates murder, ignorance and incarceration.
>
>Of course there are other catalysts, but until we recapture
>the minds of black youth, convince them that it's not OK to
>"super man dat ho" and end any and every dispute by "cocking
>on your bitch," nothing will change.
>
>Does a Soulja Boy want an education?
>
>HBO did a fascinating documentary on Little Rock Central High
>School, the Arkansas school that required the National Guard
>so that nine black kids could attend in the 1950s. Fifty years
>later, the school is one of the nation's best in terms of
>funding and educational opportunities. It's 60 percent black
>and located in a poor black community.
>
>Watch the documentary and ask yourself why nine poor kids in
>the '50s risked their lives to get a good education and a
>thousand poor black kids today ignore the opportunity that is
>served to them on a platter.
>
>Blame drugs, blame Ronald Reagan, blame George Bush, blame it
>on the rain or whatever. There's only one group of people who
>can change the rotten, anti-education, pro-violence culture
>our kids have adopted. We have to do it.
>
>
>The "keepin' it real" mantra of hip hop is in direct defiance
>to evolution. There's always someone ready to tell you you're
>selling out if you move away from the immature and dangerous
>activities you used to do, you're selling out if you speak
>proper English, embrace education, dress like a grown man, do
>anything mainstream.
>
>The Black KKK is enforcing the same crippling standards as its
>parent organization. It wants to keep black men in their place
>— uneducated, outside the mainstream and six feet deep.
>
>In all likelihood, the Black Klan and its mentality buried
>Sean Taylor, and any black man or boy reading this could be
>next.
>


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377. "really...he whacked himself"
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the substance of what he wrote is generally ok, minus the usual stretch to attack hip hop from the ARTIST angle and never ever ever from the record company/distributor angle.

read the message/beware the messenger.

to briefly address the issue, i SWEAR that if people began attacking the companies that the Top 40 artist would change. why? cuz Top 40 follows the MONEY- always has, always will.

remember when o'reilly got at pepsi about hiring ludacris?
-are we looking at the same luda today? i believe he underwent a very detailed image overhaul to better manage walking the line of 'blue material' vs. 'suitability for mass-marketing'

whitlock has his agenda- his 'broken clock-edness' does nothing to lessen my distaste for it...



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367. "this guy is just flat out dumb as shit"
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How can you suggest that Sean Taylor was killed by another black man, then go on to say that you don't know the circumstances around which he was killed, but back up you presumption with an analogy about a fat person dying of an apparent heart attack.

Has there been any evidence released that suggests the murderer was at all influenced by hiphop, or was even black? We don't even know if this murder was premeditated or not?

Witlock is clearly using Taylors tragic death to advance his theory that hiphop is to blame for crime in the black community. He is an opportunist who is being completely disrespectful and insensitive to Taylor, his friends and his family.

Whether you agree or disagree with Witlocks theory, let Sean Taylor rest in peace and those grieving for him grieve. Shitlocks theory should not be mentioned in the same breath as Taylors death until all the facts are known. Take that discussion somewhere else.

  

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310. "Sean Taylor, who marches to the beat of a different rapper (c) Don Daly"
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Dan Daly (Washington Times):

Naturally, the question on everybody's mind was: Why was he in Palmetto Bay rather than with his teammates back in Ashburn? Gibbs, alas, couldn't shed much light on that subject. "I don't know why Sean would have traveled back to Miami," he said. Translation: Sean, for all his "personal growth," still does what Sean wants to do.

The word "tragedy" got thrown around a lot at Redskin Park yesterday, and Taylor's shooting is certainly a terrible, terrible thing — for him, his family, his team, everyone involved. It's hard not to wonder, though, whether it could have been avoided, if what happened to Sean would have happened to anybody in that situation.

After all, this wasn"t the first time the house had been broken into. In fact, Taylor had missed last Monday's team meeting, Gibbs said, because he was in Florida dealing with an earlier break-in.

Anyway, for reasons known only to him, Sean didn't accompany the team to Tampa, though injured players often travel with the club. Instead, he went to Palmetto Bay. And here's where it really gets bizarre: When he and his girlfriend were wakened early Monday morning, according to the Associated Press, he "grabbed a machete he keeps in the bedroom for protection."

A machete in the bedroom. Sorry, I've never heard of a home security system like that before.

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314. "smh...not one fucking word of regret or empathy there."
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Fuck white people. Seriously. Shit is unbelievable.

  

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316. "horribly, horribly depressing, ain't it?"
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But ronald reagan is a saint, tho....

  

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346. "I don't get everyone blaming white people here"
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Can't we blame insensitive douchebag fucks who use someone else's tragedy to advance their own agenda and career?

Because as far as I can see it ain't just white people doin in the Sean Taylor situation.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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347. "I make a motion to exclude sportswriters from "white people""
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Because, seriously, those guys are a different breed.

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401. "NOPE!! THEY WHITE!!"
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This is what we be talkin about.. but at least you can see it!

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361. "It's a metaphor for a particular attitude as I'm using it,"
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for that self-righteousness that poses as innocent skepticism (in this case especially), or basically any manifestation of (white) people viewing non-whites as the Other, rather than no different than themselves.

Oh, and I am white.

  

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349. "i.feel.you"
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319. "he's wrong"
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lier break-in.
>
>Anyway, for reasons known only to him, Sean didn't accompany
>the team to Tampa, though injured players often travel with
>the club. Instead, he went to Palmetto Bay. And here's where
>it really gets bizarre: When he and his girlfriend were
>wakened early Monday morning, according to the Associated
>Press, he "grabbed a machete he keeps in the bedroom for
>protection."

Team policy is that injured players don't travel with the team. This has already been beaten to death. If he's too lazy to do his homework, at least cheat off of other journalists who have already done theirs.

Dude's an idiot.

  

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333. "so let me get this straight"
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his house got broken into last week.... and "for reasons known only to him" he chose to go home and spend the night with his girlfriend and baby daughter? reasons known only to him? yeah, gee, i wonder why in the world he would choose to be home with his family a week after a break-in. sounds suspicious to me too. no telling what he was up to. i just can't figure out WHAT these young black men are thinking these days! THEY'RE COMPLETELY IRRATIONAL! THEY DON'T THINK LIKE US!

"i smack clowns with nouns, punch herbs with verbs..."

  

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Buck
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315. "Lots of youtube highlight vids up now"
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Started with this one, many more in the side bar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAYnDGCZhwI

  

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320. "RE: RIP"
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321. "RE: Lots of youtube highlight vids up now"
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Man,

I gotta stop watching them vids...

That's just too depressing.

Dude was my favorite Redskin, he would have went down as an ALL-TIME great.

Depressing...


...

my thoughts,

peace.


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326. "yup. that about sums it up"
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>
>That's just too depressing.
>
>Dude was my favorite Redskin, he would have went down as an
>ALL-TIME great.
>
>Depressing...



All I keep thinking about is What Should Have Been...

...on and off the field.

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322. "RIP Sean.. another Canes fan prays for you and your family"
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324. "anyone see what antrel rolle said?"
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22012741

TEMPE, Ariz. - Still in disbelief of his childhood friend’s shooting death, Arizona Cardinals cornerback Antrel Rolle vowed Wednesday to make sure Sean Taylor is remembered.

He added he did not believe the killing was part of a burglary gone sour, and that Taylor had many enemies on the streets of Miami.

“This was not the first incident,” Rolle said. “They’ve been targeting him for three years now.”


as soon as this happened i figured there was something more going on here, and i tend to believe antrel for whatever reason.

DUNNT CREW, founding member ... and then i punched her in the face!

  

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328. "They were friends since they were six. I think he might know."
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I believe him too.


(Sneezes) Sorry, I am allergic to bullsh#t.


"When Jena 6 don't exist, that's when I will stop saying b#tch. B#tch!" - Hov

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327. "RE: RIP SEAN TAYLOR"
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So sad...

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335. "Ok...I looked up through the other posts..."
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maybe this has been stated before and I missed it..

Anyone else get infuriated when espn did that piece on Sean taylor's life during first take that Dana Jacobsen narrated..?

I mean...THE MAN WAS MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD...

...but we wanna show clips of him KO'ing a punter while speaking of his "on field issues" while the clip runs...

I was so pissed off when I saw this...I understand (don't agree with it) but understand how they showed some of the stuff from before in his rookie year when he was in trouble....

...but point blank, the man was passionate, hard worker and played balls out on every snap...and thats why he was my favorite skins player...ever since his rookie year...yeah, he got penalities for late hits that pissed us off at times but the positives and energy he brought to that franchise FAR outweigh those BS penalities...

..damn this makes me so mad...

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337. "Yes I mentioned it earlier in this post about ESPNews"
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That's where the piece first aired.

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336. "Thank you dan shanoff..."
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He used to write the Daily Quickie for espn Page 2, but left to write his own blog in the same style, I read this dudes column everyday;

from todays Daily Quickie (www.danshanoff.com):

.."Sean Taylor Update: Police said they have no evidence to indicate the robbery and shooting was anything but random, making the mainstream sports media's coverage on Monday, focusing on Taylor's past and insinuating he had it coming (and mostly fuzzying the actual story that a guy was critically wounded), all the more disgraceful"..

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338. "two new things"
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Andy Garcia's reaction:

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/breaking_dade/story/324186.html

Also, ST's lawyer had a chat on washingtonpost.com yesterday, and had some interesting info about the case that everybody loves to talk about...

Richard Sharpstein: My wife and I represented Sean in that case. He never, never, never brandished a gun. That was a lie told by individuals who had stolen his ATV's. Sean and his friends did confront the thieves and Sean got into a short fist fight with the man perpetrator, Ryan Hill, a 6 foot 7- 280 pound former high school football player. Sean and his friends then retreated to his friend's house where the ATV's had been stolen from. Within minutes of their return the house and Sean's SUV were peppered with automatic gunfire. Neighbors called the police. However, Ryan Hill called 911 at the same time and reported that Sean Taylor had pointed a gun at him. This diversion by Hill was a lie.
Unfortunately a prosecutor was completely self-consumed in his prosecution of Sean Taylor as a ticket to stardom. Sean came to us six months after he had been charged. My wife and I turned the case around, finding incredible long criminal records of Ryan Hill and all the other witnesses. Eventually we proved that the prosecutor was using the case for his own personal gain. Unbelievably he had a Web site advertising himself as a disc jockey which was pornographic and lewd. Of more relevance was the fact that he had a link to "his media coverage" and it involved the Sean Taylor case and nothing more.
We downloaded the Webs site, my wife put it in a brilliant motion and we unloaded it on the media, the court and the prosecutor's office.
By 2:00 that afternoon Mike Grieco, the prosecutor, was fired. When a newly assigned veteran prosecutor looked at the case he agreed with us that this case never should have been filed.
In order to end the case before Sean had to report to the Redskins summer camp, we agreed to allow him to plead no contest without being adjudicated to simple battery. He received a non-reporting probation. The case was dismissed after Sean agreed to and did speak to 10 high schools and middle schools about his own life to provide inspiration for others.

  

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345. "I saw that chat...I'm sure his comment will be conveninently ignored"
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And the word "allegedly" will greatly increase in appearance in media coverage.

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364. "It might not see much daylight at all."
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You know folks only for what is juicy. Never the truth.

  

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366. "RE: two new things"
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thanks for the chat excerpt. damn, i wish all these fuckin clowns in the media would do their work and search for the truth and stop basing shit on speculation and personal bias. the reaction to this tragic event has been fuckin pathetic by those in control of the airwaves. sorry for the rant but this shit has got me so angered...
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340. "He might have been messing with another man's girl."
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why else would the shot be in the groin region but not a head or chest shot?

  

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341. "you really think dude was AIMING for his femoral artery?!?"
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come on, man

dude shot twice, landed one in the leg. That's it.

  

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357. "or could've been trying to end his career"
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shooting at his legs

all speculation.

  

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370. "or emasculate him (literally and symbolically) by aiming for the groin"
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Not that I'm saying there was some other man stuff going on...it's jsut a possibility.

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359. "WHITLOCK'S HOE ASS TO BE ON AT 5PM"
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on the John Riggins show.

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360. "I dont have kids but this picture strikes a chord with me"
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http://photos-657.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v171/174/69/8910657/n8910657_31914625_8041.jpg


R.I.P Sean Taylor

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365. "she is so precious"
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>http://photos-657.ll.facebook.com/photos-ll-sctm/v171/174/69/8910657/n8910657_31914625_8041.jpg
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>R.I.P Sean Taylor
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and she lost her father....damn.

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373. "yeah that photo got to me like few others"
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damn, just damn.

a young, beautiful family. and now they have to deal with this.

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371. "3 detained in Sean Taylor homicide"
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3 detained in Sean Taylor homicide
BY MANNY GARCIA AND DAVID OVALLE
Miami-Dade detectives have detained two teenagers and a man in his 20s in Lee County for questioning in the death of Washington Redskins football star Sean Taylor.

Investigators believe the young men learned of Taylor's house through someone who unwittingly set up the burglary by bragging about the football star's wealth.

The suspects include 17- and 19-year-olds and a 26-year-old. All hail from the Fort Myers area.

The former University of Miami star was not supposed to be home at the time of the break-in. While the Redskins played in Tampa, he had come home to get a second medical opinion on his injured knee.

Florida Department of Law Enforcement agents and at least two Miami-Dade homicide squads have been in Fort Myers and they picked up the young men Friday morning.

Taylor was shot early Monday by an intruder who surprised him in the bedroom of his Palmetto Bay home.

Taylor wielded a machete as he tried to protect his fiancée, Jackie Garcia, and their 18-month-old baby girl. The two were hiding under the covers as Taylor was shot.

One bullet pierced the wall. The other struck Taylor in the groin, severing his femoral artery and causing massive blood loss. He died at about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday at Jackson Memorial Hospital.

  

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374. "thats good"
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down/back,down,down,forward,up/forward,punch

  

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379. "Fort Meyers *smh*"
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382. "I'm *smh* at the ages of the boys involved. Shit is sad as hell."
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383. "little fuckers. glad they got em"
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376. "Condolences"
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to the fam, May God comfort them through this terrible loss..

dude was gone too soon, way too soon..

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381. "Update: 4 arrested, 2 confessions"
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http://www.miamiherald.com/1246/story/326903.html

BY R.C. WHITE, DAVID OVALLE and MANNY GARCIA
dovalle@MiamiHerald.com
A suspect, in red shirt, in the Sean Taylor slaying is walked out at the FDLE headquarters in Ft Myers.
CHARLES TRAINOR JR/MIAMI HERALD STAFF
A suspect, in red shirt, in the Sean Taylor slaying is walked out at the FDLE headquarters in Ft Myers.
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LEHIGH ACRES --
Miami-Dade police and prosecutors said they will arrest four people in connection with last week's slaying of NFL star Sean Taylor.

No other information was disclosed, but a news conference at Miami-Dade police headquarters is planned late Friday night. Miami-Dade Police Director Robert Parker will address the media and discuss the latest on the homicide investigation.

The news comes the same day homicide detectives questioned a man who recently attended a party at the football player's Palmetto Bay home -- and mowed his grass, the man's family said.

Relatives of Jason Mitchell, 19, told The Miami Herald that he attended a birthday bash for Sasha Johnson, who is Sean Taylor's sister. Johnson dates Christopher Devon Wardlow, 21, Mitchell's family said. His brother, Charles Wardlow, 18, was also being interviewed by Miami-Dade homicide detectives. No one has been charged.

An unidentified 17-year-old was also being questioned at Florida Department of Law Enforcement Headquarters in Fort Myers. Police were looking for two other men, but no one has been charged.

According to Scottie Mitchell, 19, Jason's twin brother, Johnson and Christopher Devon Wardlow invited Jason Mitchell to the birthday party within the past two months. He even did work around Taylor's house, Scottie Mitchell said: ``He cut his grass and everything.''

Scottie Mitchell said he believes his brother was home in Lehigh Acres the night of the murder.

Sasha Johnson turned 21 on Oct. 1. The twins have been friends with Christopher Devon Wardlow for about eight years, Scottie Mitchell said, adding that he does not know Charles Wardlow or the 17-year-old.

Frank Fuller, who identified himself as the grandfather of Charles Wardlow, answered the door at his home in a hardscrabble area of east Fort Meyers, and told a Miami Herald reporter: ``We don't know anything. We don't know where Charles is. We haven't seen him for hours. And even if we did , we wouldn't talk to you about it.''

Relatives say Jason Mitchell worked at a Bob Evans restaurant and had gone to a job interview at UPS Friday morning before being picked up by police.

FDLE agents and at least two Miami-Dade homicide squads picked up the three in the Fort Myers area Friday morning. At least two others are being sought for questioning.

Police believe bragging about Taylor's wealth may have attracted the intruders to the NFL star's home. Taylor was shot early Monday by an burglar who surprised him in the bedroom of his Palmetto Bay home.

Taylor wielded a machete as he tried to protect his fiancée, Jackie Garcia, and their 18-month-old baby girl. The two were hiding under the covers as Taylor was shot.

One bullet pierced the wall. The other struck Taylor in the groin, severing his femoral artery and causing massive blood loss. He died at about 3:30 a.m. Tuesday at Jackson Memorial Hospital.

Pedro Taylor and his family have set up a memorial scholarship in the name of his son and his granddaughter to help high school and college students.

Miami Herald staff writers Trenton Daniel and Larry Lebowitz contributed to this report.

  

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384. "Send em all away tor life"
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385. "This just makes it even more sad."
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Sean Taylor's life got taken away by some knucklehead kids. Are you kidding me?

Sean probably tried to help those kids and they end up killing him? I'm really just at a loss right now. Sad situation all the way around.

  

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386. "it's like a bottomless tragedy"
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even the lives of these kids that were arrested are tragic.

I hope as many people as possible look at this tragedy and realize that it happens every day, every year, across the country. this isn't about gun control. this isn't about harsh jail sentences. this is a widespread problem with a million factors that aren't getting dealt with.

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387. "MySpace pages of the four arrested"
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Taken from extremeskins.com:

Eric Rivera, Jr.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...iendid=54829123


Charles Wardlow (he has 2):
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...98-d4db201d36e5


http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...89-c4dca347267e


Jason Mitchell:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...endid=105813923


Venjah Hunte:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...endID=268656289


...and notable mention...

Charles Wardow's sister:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cf...iendid=43137622

  

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388. "Wow they sure did get rid of those links quick."
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390. "RE: Wow they sure did get rid of those links quick."
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Those links didn't work, but try these. Some of the profiles are being set to private.

Wardlow:
http://www.myspace.com/cdubnext2blow
http://www.myspace.com/daofficialcdubpage

Mitchell:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=105813923
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=105813923&albumId=0

Rivera:
http://a116.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/63/l_49d68670ba8912811a1f7cccec3640c3.jpg

  

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391. "OMG... WHITLOCK WAS RIGHT!!!! dude is a fuckin rapper!"
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389. "gold fronts, holding cash in all their pics..."
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let the attack on hip hop begin...

can't wait to see what fucking Bill O'Reilly has to say about this. One of them has a rap myspace too.

  

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http://www.sports-rewardempire.com/rd_p?p=113082&t=4582&c=607106&gift=27615&a=27615-sean%20taylor%20football

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393. "Leonard Shapiro responds to backlash from his article:"
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Washingtonpost a$$wipe wrote a response to his slew of "hate-mail" ...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/12/04/AR2007120400930.html
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By Leonard Shapiro
Special to washingtonpost.com
Tuesday, December 4, 2007; 1:09 PM



As a long-time critic of sports media for The Washington Post, over the years I've certainly taken my jabs at a wide variety of people in the broadcasting and newspaper business. Last week, the jabs -- more accurately, the haymakers -- were coming in my direction, with many angry readers and some media talking heads taking exception to a piece I wrote for washingtonpost.com on the sad day of the tragic shooting death of Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor.

More than 400 readers posted comments on the site before traffic was cut off toward the end of the week, and I received another 350 e-mails at the addresses I always list at the bottom of any internet column under my byline. It was by far the most overwhelming response to anything I've ever written since I joined the newspaper in 1969, and, to paraphrase the headline on last week's commentary, not at all surprising considering the emotions Taylor's shooting unleashed not only in the Washington area, but across the country as well.

I've tried to respond individually to a number of those e-mails over the last week, and I've also been asking myself what the Post's sports media critic might have written about the original piece if he'd seen it in another medium, perhaps under a different byline.

A few things would jump out immediately. The initial headline, "Taylor's Death Is Tragic but Not Surprising", was clearly jarring and offensive to many readers, and I suspect that's exactly where some people actually stopped reading and began composing their angry e-mails. I don't write the headlines -- reporters rarely do -- but in retrospect, it could easily have been softened and not been quite so incendiary. Then again, judging from so many of the responses, the headline did exactly what it's supposed to do -- attract readers to the story that followed.

That "not surprising" line was never included in the piece, though I did ask in the column "could anyone honestly say they never saw it coming?" Again, in hindsight, I might have phrased that sentence differently, or explained the premise more fully, if only because a number of readers took a giant leap from that line to a supposition that I meant that Sean Taylor deserved what he got.

No. I was merely trying to say that knowing of Taylor's past problems over his first couple of years with the Redskins, could anyone honestly have been surprised to learn that he was involved in yet another incident? Does that imply Taylor deserved what he got? Did it mean he brought it on himself? Did it suggest that he wasn't the victim of a senseless act of violence totally out of his control? In no way, shape or form was that the intent of a sentence that, in hindsight, probably should have been self-edited out.

Let me say it as plainly as possible. No one deserved to die that way, waking to the sound of an unknown intruder in the middle of the night with your fianc?e and baby daughter in the same room, then being gunned down in the alleged safety of your own home by a cowardly and trigger-happy assailant whose shot ended your life and shattered so many more. If anything, Taylor truly died a hero, trying to protect mother and child from those thugs in the night.

I might also have been a tad less cynical in writing about Taylor's now well-documented transformation since the birth of his daughter Jackie, 18 months ago. I used the words "a so-called new Sean Taylor"; the "so-called" was uncalled for. I wrote those two words several hours before I watched Joe Gibbs' emotional news conference at Redskins Park, when it became very obvious to anyone who watched that Taylor had become a changed for the better, and far more mature young man over the last 18 months. I just wish we'd known about it before this tragedy.

Many readers also were taken aback by the timing of the piece, which appeared on the web site about nine hours after Taylor's death in a Miami hospital, as well as the mention of his past transgressions in his first two years with the Redskins. As for the timing, like it or not, that's what we do in journalism these days, and particularly now in the age of the 24-hour news cycle.

Here's how it worked. An editor called me at home last Tuesday morning and asked me to weigh in on the news of Taylor's death. I said yes, I'll try to get it to you this afternoon. Three hours later, usually an eternity on the internet, the story was sent in. And while another day or two might have been more preferable, and surely provided more information and better context, I always go back to my old journalism professors talking about the notion of reporters providing the first draft of history. That first draft now begins within minutes after the fact, not days, months or years, and that's just the reality of the news business in the 21st Century.

As for including Taylor's well-documented past problems in the piece, how do you write about the change in a man without mentioning what it was he changed from? You surely can't ignore the past, or even sugarcoat it. To his everlasting credit, the light came on for Taylor. He turned a corner with the birth of his child and reportedly became a better man, husband, father and teammate. Good for Sean Taylor. But the bad also was a necessary part of the story.

Just as an example, I would venture a guess that Bill Belichick's obituary many years from now surely will tell readers about his multiple Super Bowl titles and the fact that he was one of the greatest head coaches in NFL history. But I can almost guarantee that within the first four paragraphs, there also will be a detailed mention of the fact that in September, 2007, he paid the largest fine ever meted out by the NFL for cheating in the so-called Spygate case.

But I digress.

To readers who tended to agree with what I wrote, many thanks for taking the time to write. To those who took exception, the same respectful appreciation for your passion and your positions. Feel free to keep throwing those haymakers, even if we sometimes will agree to disagree. Most important, let's keep talking, all of us, preferably in measured tones, without the profanity, the charges of racism, even a couple of death or violence threats, and one e-mail with a subject line that read, "I hope a close family member of yours dies prematurely."

How nice.

I'd truly prefer that the discussion now move on to a sentence I wrote toward the end of the column, truly the whole point of the piece, that "we need to focus on why this unspeakable tragedy happened and how we can keep it from happening to so many other young men soon to be attending rookie symposiums of their own."

With that in mind, I'm also including excerpts from one of the more thoughtful notes I received last week, reprinted here with the writer's permission. It comes from David Cornwell, a widely respected Atlanta-based attorney and player agent I've known for years, and touches on many of the same issues that ought to become part of the public dialogue, as well.

"The random nature of Sean's death reflects the tragically epidemic proportions of our culture of violence," Cornwell wrote in an e-mail. "I fear that we may miss an opportunity to use Sean's tragic death to make a difference. (Shapiro's) references to (Michael) Vick, Pac man (Jones) et al. strike me as appropriate to the extent that these men and others are the most compelling evidence that the NFL is now impacted by cultural factors that have burdened America's Black communities for the past 20 years.

"I spent time with Sean and his father in connection with the agent selection process. I agree with Mike (Wilbon) and (Shapiro) that Sean's lifestyle compromised his opportunity to grow as a person and as a businessman. I also agree...that the linkage between Sean's lifestyle and his death are presently too attenuated to conclude that they are connected.

"Rather than wring our hands and admire the problem, I am curious whether we can urge the NFL to take a leadership role in designing a solution. The NFL/NFLPA public relations machine churns out references to the Rookie Symposium and other player programs in the wake of despicable off-field events. Since when do we grade effort in the NFL? Rae Carruth, Ray Lewis, Jamal Lewis, Mike Vick, and everyone in between who has embraced the culture of violence and the Gangsta mentality that glorifies lawlessness are the most compelling evidence that the Rookie Symposium and other player programs have failed.

"Why is it that the men who play professional sports are role models only when they fail to live up to a standard? Let us use their unilaterally imposed role model status to make a difference. For example, ditch the United Way campaign and adopt a comprehensive public service program (media and community based) that conveys the message that staying out of trouble, handling your business, and 'getting paid' without subjecting yourself or your family to unnecessary risk is really 'Gangsta.' Real hustlers succeed in spite of the odds and are smart enough not to subject their success to unnecessary risks. 'Now that's Gangsta!'

"The Commissioner (Roger Goodell) has done an excellent job of establishing accountability for the men who play professional sports. Rather than hop on the bandwagon by condemning Michael Vick, the NFLPA should insist on a balanced approach and lead the charge towards a solution by demanding that the NFL invest in meaningful programs that provide these young men with the tools to cope with the challenges presented by our culture of violence and the keeping-it-real mentality.

"Criticizing these men for their lifestyles is not productive. If I gave a man all the tools and materials to build a house, but no guidance on how to do it, how useful would the final product be? I dare say the final product would be dangerous to inhabit. So, too, with many of the men who play professional sports. We provide them with the tools, materials, and trappings of success, but provide precious little guidance regarding the process becoming successful. No wonder the final product often turns out to be dangerous - or, as I recently referred to it in Sports Illustrated, a Molotov cocktail.

"Success is a process, not an event. Yet, with the Rookie Symposium and other player programs (despite the evidence that these programs have not worked), the NFL treats success as an event when it comes to the personal development of the men who play professional sports."

Leonard Shapiro can be reached at Badgerlen@hotmail.com or Badgerlen@aol.com.

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394. "Shapiro kind of danced around the issue"
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he, like many others, needs to just flat out apologize for assuming ST's past transgressions had anything to do with his death.

Writing or implying "I'm not surprised", as Wilbon & Shaprio did, ignorantly references a period in Taylor's life that had absolutely *nothing* to do with his death.

People wanted so badly to be able to look at Taylor's death and say that his past caught up with him that they ignored the fact that his death had nothing to do with his past. ST was a tragic victim of random violence and people like Wilbon & Shapiro just couldn't contain their speculation and judgment of Sean Taylor. For their rush to heartless judgment, they should apologize.

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398. "RE: Shapiro kind of danced around the issue"
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>he, like many others, needs to just flat out apologize for
>assuming ST's past transgressions had anything to do with his
>death.
>
>Writing or implying "I'm not surprised", as Wilbon & Shaprio
>did, ignorantly references a period in Taylor's life that had
>absolutely *nothing* to do with his death.
>
>People wanted so badly to be able to look at Taylor's death
>and say that his past caught up with him that they ignored the
>fact that his death had nothing to do with his past. ST was a
>tragic victim of random violence and people like Wilbon &
>Shapiro just couldn't contain their speculation and judgment
>of Sean Taylor. For their rush to heartless judgment, they
>should apologize.

I think that a lot of people have the desire to attribute something other than a random act of violence to ANYONE's shooting, stabbing or murder. People tend to feel better knowing that an act of violence was done out of revenge or passion. Makes 'em feel safer. It also gives them a chance to put off the larger debate which is a culture of violence in America across all cultures.

  

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395. "favorite Sean Taylor moment?"
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I'd have to say he put together one of the most dominating performances I've ever seen in Miami's win against Florida State his last year:

Six tackles (1.5 for loss), four pass deflections and two interceptions (one returned 50 yards for a touchdown). He was the best player on the field -- by a huge margin.

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396. "2005 Playoffs, 1st round against Tampa"
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His 51 yard scoop & score gives us a 17-10 win in a game where our offense had 120 total yards.

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I knew he was gonna be a good one before that season, but when he stepped up and just dominated that game, I realized he was gonna be just as impactful as a guy like Ed Reed. He was so fun to watch.

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399. "Pass defense against Moss when he was with the Vikings?"
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Wed Dec-05-07 02:42 PM by Ausar72

  

          

I always loved that play. He frustrated Moss all day, and I don't doubt that was a factor in Moss leaving the field before the end of the game...


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my thoughts,

peace.


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jambone
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400. "this"
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=4ITfxGQGgXY

<--- we've got bush!

  

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