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southphillyman
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"A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
Fri Oct-31-03 12:01 PM

  

          

dont think i'm crazy , consider the facts

1.this sixer team as well as all the others are no better then them 20 win teams of the Lucas era and early 90's. look who is on his team , man. even when they get somebody its some washed up cat like kukuc or van horn..and i get the feeling robinson is gon be shitty, so my point is the sixers have been the one of the top 10 teams in the league since AI arrived with no roster what so ever. eric snow , d.coleman, a. mckie dont start on any other playoff team ..bottom line. AI did this shit his self!!!

2. the man has been injured his whole career. i look at niggas like grant hill and even shaq to some extent and shake my head. this nigga AI been fucked up since like his 2nd season. the man has the true heart of a warrior. i cant think of another player in sports history u has played as much as fucked up as AI

3. the nigga is lil as shit. the man is smaller than me. i dont give a fuck what the specs say. i stood next to the man, 5'10 145-150 at most. amazing

4. not related to ball but the nigga basically made braids what they are today...i forgot what the nigga look like wit a cut...

5. every night he outplays nigga that got em by 5-6 in's. make jordan 5'10...the bulls prolly dont even make the playoffs during them years...

6.if he gets a title, its over GOAT..no rap. but now he's behind wilt and MJ

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RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT
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RE: Look I love AI
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RE: Look I love AI
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RE: You have to be Kidding
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RE: You have to be Kidding
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RE: You have to be Kidding
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      RE: You have to be Kidding
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RE: You have to be Kidding
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RE: Look I love AI
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RE: Look I love AI
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L O L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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      that shit IS hilarious...
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RE: Look I love AI
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RE: Look I love AI
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worst.post.ever.
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RE: worst.post.ever.
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      RE: worst.post.ever.
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Co-sign n/m
Marbles2000
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Most dominating little man ever n/m
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Tiny&Zeke over AI easily
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COSIGN!!!!
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The whole "NBA Titles" argument.
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      Do you hear what you're saying tho?
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      RE: Do you hear what you're saying tho?
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           I tell you what...
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                RE: I tell you what...
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                     Ha
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                          RE: Ha
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      RE: The whole "NBA Titles" argument.
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      RE: The whole "NBA Titles" argument.
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      did you see Isiah in game 6 of the 88 finals?
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           RE: did you see Isiah in game 6 of the 88 finals?
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I said 'MOST DOMINATING' not 'BEST'......
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      RE: I said 'MOST DOMINATING' not 'BEST'......
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RE: Most dominating little man ever n/m
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he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW
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RE: he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW
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RE: he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW
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RE: he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW
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      RE: he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW
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           RE: he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW
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           lol
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Co-Sign
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Word, that's what I'm saying
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on some real shit
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Who didn't appreciate Barry Sanders?
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      RE: Who didn't appreciate Barry Sanders?
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lemme think about it
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he is the GOAT of
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RE: he is the GOAT of
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      RE: he is the GOAT of
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Kobe Beats His Ass up in every which a way
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RE: Kobe Beats His Ass up in every which a way
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      RE: Kobe Beats His Ass up in every which a way
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           RE: Kobe Beats His Ass up in every which a way
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RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT
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And you're probably in middle school
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RE: And you're probably in middle school
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      Iverson is top 3 maybe number one
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      RE: And you're probably in middle school
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           RE: And you're probably in middle school
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you're reachin'.
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Aside from the absolute ridiculousness of this post...
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RE: Aside from the absolute ridiculousness of this post
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bwahahahahahaaa...
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RE: bwahahahahahaaa...
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RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT
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how old are you?
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RE: how old are you?
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           RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT
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           and with that said, everything said after this reply...
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           RE: and with that said, everything said after this repl
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           Co-Sign
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                It is an opinion
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                     watch it, suckah!.. (c) aunt ester
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                               dude, let it gooooo...
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What Are You, His Wife?
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RE: What Are You, His Wife?
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      2 Off the Top
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in response to bignick
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      its mutual...
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GOAT?
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Youre an ass
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the term GOAT
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Word, cuz even Kidd makes average cats way better...
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RE: Word, cuz even Kidd makes average cats way better..
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I just know Iverson has more talent around him...
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RE: Word, cuz even Kidd makes average cats way better..
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southphillyman
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1. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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o hell naw..yall niggas gon recongize AI as da GOAT

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reality
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2. "RE: Look I love AI"
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But let's not get carried away.He might be around #49 or 50 on my list.Come on you ever heard of Oscar Robertson,Magic Johnson,Jerrry West,Walt Frazier,Tiny Archibald,Isiah Thomas and I am just naming guards.Now if I had a list of guards all those I named would eba ahead of AI.Remember AI has played 7 years in this league I think he is on his way to being one of the best guards to ever play but rigth now he is not on that list he is on the vege though of making it.

  

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southphillyman
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3. "RE: Look I love AI"
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dawg..all them guys couldnt even grease AI scalp

on some real shit.i'm sick of niggas comparing him to ike and shit. he way better then thomas man

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reality
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4. "RE: You have to be Kidding"
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To say AI is better than Oscar and magic alone.Let me tell you something Magic and Oscar would post AI up all day and score at will.Oscar was 230 AI would bounce off Oscar like a ping pong ball not to mentin the Big O would clamp down also did I mention the BIG O was the greatest all-around player in History.

  

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southphillyman
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7. "RE: You have to be Kidding"
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AI would be too fast for the big o..besides we aint talking about no 1 on 1 game of horse shit u idiot..we talking about the greatest player....on a basketball TEAM

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reality
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32. "RE: You have to be Kidding"
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>AI would be too fast for the big o..besides we aint talking
>about no 1 on 1 game of horse shit u idiot..we talking about
>the greatest player....on a basketball TEAM
Really you don't know shit about basketball you must be 10 years old.Oscar Robertson would destroy iverson and Oscar was quick as well so don't bring that shit to the table.The Big O would back iverson down and it would be over.it is funny how you were the same person last week sayig Wilt was as good as Jermaine O'Neal now this week him and Jordan are the two best to ever play the game.Go figure.

  

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104. "RE: You have to be Kidding"
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>Really you don't know shit about basketball you must be 10
>years old.Oscar Robertson would destroy iverson and Oscar
>was quick as well so don't bring that shit to the table.

I'm not saying Iverson is as great as the Big O. I have never really seen him play, I can only go by stats. But hypotheticlly speak, there is no way in he!! they would check each other. Iverson is too quick for ANYBODY, especially a 6'9 230 cat. I would put Iverson in the top 5 players of the 90's on.

  

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25. "RE: You have to be Kidding"
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thank you.He couldn't get there Autograph.Magic&Big O would make a lunch out of that Chump.I Respect&Like AI's Game but He ain't in that Category.

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11. "RE: Look I love AI"
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zeke had some fire, but i gotta agree that he doesnt have allen's game. if ai stayed at the point he'd easily have the assist totals zeke did and still score more. zeke was no great defender either, and he didnt even play the lanes like allen does. they might be comparable but i gotta give the edge to ai.

as far as the big O goes, he wasnt magic johnson or anything, iverson guards guys his size all the time. but, the fact that its not a "one on one game of horse shit" where I think robertson gets an edge, he was a big time asset to every club he balled on and did it all, score, dish, rebound, defend. he was no joke.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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39. "RE: Look I love AI"
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>dawg..all them guys couldnt even grease AI scalp

this has got to be the most ignorant statement in the history of western civilization. you must be about 14 years old. leave the drugs alone, bruh. they're obviously having an adverse affect.

>on some real shit.i'm sick of niggas comparing him to ike
>and shit. he way better then thomas man

damn...and you actually believe this statement.

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102. "L O L!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Mon Nov-03-03 08:07 AM

  

          

"all them guys couldn't even grease AI scalp"

This is without a doubt the funniest line I've heard in weeks!!!

"Is it not one father that all of us have? Is it not one God that has created us? Why is it that we deal treacherously with one another?" --Malachi 2:10

  

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103. "that shit IS hilarious..."
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I had missed that one.

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9. "RE: Look I love AI"
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49 or 50???????????????

No way, I dont have him #1 or #3 personally but he is iller than Clyde (Frazier) and alotta other cats you listed. To me, there are only a few cats I seen that are definitely better than him
Wilt, Hakeem, Shaq, probably Bird, Magic, Mike, Oscar, Jerry West, Baylor, and the list starts to get questionable from there. Maybe the Doc, John Stockton, and a few other heads, I'd have to really think about it.


On the injury tip, AI is a tough son of a bitch, but I dont think its fair to knock a cat like GH for not playing. I am sure if Allen had an injury that was real serious he wouldnt play, he had a 48 game season one year and his first 82 game year was last year.

I think he is the best guard in this era, this has been argued at length recently so I am kinda tired of it.

Man, would I love for him to get a title before he retires. Greer got one along with Wilt, the Doc got one and with them all of the other pre-Barkley Sixers greats (W. Jones, Walker, Cunningham, B. Jones, Moses, Cheeks) got at least one. I felt bad when Chuck didnt get his, even after he left the Sixers I was pulling hard that he get one, but I never felt like he got robbed or anything. With AI, as hard as he plays and as much as he wants to win on that floor, I get the feeling like he just flat out deserves at least one ring. It's gonna take a miracle at this point though. One of these days I pray they are going to bring in a dominant big man (not Mutombo!) who can help him get it.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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26. "RE: Look I love AI"
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again we are on Point there.

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5. "worst.post.ever."
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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6. "RE: worst.post.ever."
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LOL

  

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24. "RE: worst.post.ever."
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>LOL
do i get a royalty check? at least give a nigga a footnote. something.

  

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reality
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33. "RE: worst.post.ever."
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>>LOL
>do i get a royalty check? at least give a nigga a footnote.
>something.
Yeah you get a royalty check Nick you are the owner and founder of Worst post ever.

  

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19. "Co-sign n/m"
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Peace,

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8. "Most dominating little man ever n/m"
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28. "Tiny&Zeke over AI easily"
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they did the Damn thing.AI is a Great Player but what Has Proven yet over Tiny&Zeke Yet again? as far as bringing a Solid Game give me John Stockton over AI as well.

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34. "COSIGN!!!!"
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Zeke is tops. Iverson has to at least win a title before he can be up there with Thomas.

  

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61. "The whole "NBA Titles" argument."
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>Zeke is tops. Iverson has to at least win a title before he
>can be up there with Thomas.

And as far as titles are concerned, give Iverson teamates named Rodman, Dumars, Laimbeer, Edwards, Johnson, and a head coach who isn't a passive-agressive bitch(Larry Brown), replace him with a real coach(Daly) and he might have a ring. Larry Brown single handedly ended any chance of Iverson every winning a ring with his horrendous decisions(Ratliff for Kukoc,etc).

Don't forget that Iverson snapped the Lakers' undefeated streak in 2000. That was one of the most dominating performances by a single player I've ever seen. He pissed all over the Lakers in LA, by himself.

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66. "Do you hear what you're saying tho?"
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The Sixers' 1 win in 5 games vs the Lakers. LMFAO! That's really not worth mentioning. See I'm not saying Iverson isn't great or won't be one of the all time greats before its all said and done, I'm just saying he has a lot more to prove before he can be up there with Zeke and co. That's all. Yeah, Zeke had Rodman, Laimbeer, Joey D, etc, but he was playing against teams that rival or were even better than the Lakers of 2000-2002, nah mean? You have to have a Laimbeer, Rodman, Dumars, Agguire if you're going to play against a Magic, Worthy, Scott, Cooper, Kareem, etc. And on paper, a team like New Jersey isn't overly more talented than what Iverson has around him now, so if Iverson can't lead Robinson, Coleman, Snow, McKey to the finals now, we're still supposed to be mentioning him up there with Zeke right now? I mean, he just have to go through some more wars and get to the mountain top IMO before he gets put on that level. Same with a lot of good cats today.

  

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67. "RE: Do you hear what you're saying tho?"
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the sixers roster is as good as the nets?

nets got people on the bench better than some sixers starters

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69. "I tell you what..."
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The Sixers have better talent around Iverson than the Celtics have around Pierce. If the Celtics finish better, then what does that mean?

  

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71. "RE: I tell you what..."
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unless glenn robinson is as good as vin baker, which i seriously doubt...ur statement is false....

regardless the celtics wont finish as good as the sixers and peirce aint shit compared to AI

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74. "Ha"
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>unless glenn robinson is as good as vin baker, which i
>seriously doubt...ur statement is false....

Well, if we continue to have the old allstar Vin Baker and not last year's Baker, then the Celtics are in business. But after Pierce and Baker, you mean to tell me the Celtics have more talent than the Sixers? LOL!

>regardless the celtics wont finish as good as the sixers and
>peirce aint shit compared to AI

We'll see what the Sixers do this year. But Pierce aint shit compared to A.I.? HA! They're both on equal playing fields IMO. No one can ever feel bad about their shooting after seeing A.I. constantly go 9 for 25. For every good shot he makes, he takes several bad ones. Something you saw Zeke rarely do in comparison.


  

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90. "RE: Ha"
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yeah i wouldnt say they are not in the same l, but i would say iverson is more accomplished and more than negligibly better

pierce could have been the man on championship squads too. i mean those guys being compared to players in the past that have won titles and then saying "well they won a ring" just isnt fair. some guys just never get the teams and get oppressed by one team that keeps beating them (Warriors, Lakers, Sixers save 1967 against the Cs; Knicks, Cavs, Blazers, and so on against the Bulls) and that isnt entirely their fault if at all.

as for the Cs this year, as much shit as I talked about them I beginning to wonder if they have less talent than the Sixers. the whole EC is wait and see...

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85. "RE: The whole "NBA Titles" argument."
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yeah&My Lakers Pissed all on AI's Parade with 4 Straight Wins.D-Fish took His Ass to the Hole.remember that Dunk in Game 2? Remember how Tyrone Lue Made George Jefferson aka Allen Iverson wanna Run to the bathroom after frustrating Him?

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91. "RE: The whole "NBA Titles" argument."
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I remember that ONE play. DF couldnt guard AI's sneakers being pulled around on a string, dont fucking kid yourself

And I do remember AI stepping over Tyronn Lue after 15 minutes of fouly, "solid" defense. Tyronn Lue is like the Asians that ball at the local gym, short, skinny, fouly and thinks he is a better shooter than he really is, he is and always has been a joke and a first team all-ugly looking selection right along with Popeye "circus" Jones and Gheorge the UOAT Muresan

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89. "did you see Isiah in game 6 of the 88 finals?"
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scored 25 in the 3rd quarter (finals record for a quarter), on a sprained ankle in LA - ended up with 43 points, 8 assists, 6 steals. That was the most dominating performance I've ever seen by a little man. Isiah could dominate games when he had to.

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99. "RE: did you see Isiah in game 6 of the 88 finals?"
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that was one game, but yeah, that was RAW

funny story, and this goes along with the recent "most brutal sport post" about that:

Isiah and the Pistons are in LA training/practicing near the Colisseum/Sports Arena where the Raiders also conducted their biz at the time. So Zeke is coolin out in the wait room icing down his ankle when Howie Long and some other Raiders walk in the room. They say "what's up Isaiah?" and all that and he proceeds to tell them about his ankle, how worried he is and that he doesnt know if he can play. The Raider response, resoundingly, was "shoot it up and get your ass out there."

And so history was made...

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60. "I said 'MOST DOMINATING' not 'BEST'......"
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Read what I wrote, please.

No little man could single handedly take over a game the way Iverosn could.

How many players under 6'1 won scoring titles?

How man players under 6'1 averaged 30ppg for a contender?

I didn't say he was the BEST little man. That is a different debate.

He is CLEARLY, HANDS DOWN, the MOST DOMINATING LITTLE MAN TO EVER PLAY. GIVE HIM HIS PROPS.

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62. "RE: I said 'MOST DOMINATING' not 'BEST'......"
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Tiny Archibald lead the L in scoring in assists one year, I believe he posted over 32 a game and he is smaller

I dont wanna detract from your argument though. AI has won 3 scoring titles and finished top 5 several times in scoring. Some guys just dont have the teams. At what point do we value a title over a player's skill? Is any hall of famer who won a title automatically better than one that didnt? I dont think so, names like Baylor and Barkley spring to mind as arguably the two best ever at their positions despite never winning a championship. Take a 2 guard or almost any guard off any title team other than the Bulls maybe and you wouldnt miss a beat with AI in there. Lenny Wilkens, Andrew Toney, Kobe Bryant, Joe Dumars or Zeke, Nate Archibald, Frazier/Monroe, Greer/Walker on and on...

AI has done huge things in playoff games. Yeah I know he didnt have a great series against Detroit, but who did? Individually last year no player really schooled them, look how they did T Mac dirty after falling down 3-1. Against NO he had 55 in game 1 and 45 in game 6, tell me that isnt coming up HUGE? And of course the Lakers game 1 and really most of that series, along with that whole season/playoffs as has been mentioned.

You really cant knock this cat like he is garbage and shit, even relative to the league's other top players; bottom line, all there is to it. GOAT might be stretching it but he definitely up there for the moment and there is doubt he'll be one of the most celebrated members of the NBA at 75 team...

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35. "RE: Most dominating little man ever n/m"
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You know what OE He is my favorite player in the league.I'll put it this way he is more gifted than Tiny and Zeek.Right now I have those 3 in front of him.but he could pass them in a couple of years.He is definitley a HOF player but to say he is one of the 10 best to ever lace them up i don't think so.

  

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10. "he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW"
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so much top 3 all-time. get the fuck outta with this non-sense.

on a sidenote: I will give credit, were credit is due. AI balls it up and gives everything on the court, night in and night out. As far as heart goes , AI would def. be top 3.

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12. "RE: he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW"
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yeah i think heart i gotta look at him, hakeem, magic, mike, and russell as the gutsiest of all time. clutch fools like west and bird might be there but they are more heart-less when it comes to the crunch and killing you with a shot.

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13. "RE: he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW"
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how is he not top 3 in the league right now?

stfu and stop watching espn telecasts nigga

AI get hated on by errbody : the media, his sponsers, and even his former coach......so ppl never give him his due.

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14. "RE: he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW"
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>how is he not top 3 in the league right now?
>stfu and stop watching espn telecasts nigga

I'd take Shaq, Duncan and Kobe ahead of him.

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16. "RE: he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW"
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shaq= no skill whatso ever. not even best player on his team.
kobe= got the fire of AI and is better than shaq..but if u put him on the sixers..i know for a fact they never make it outta the 1st round
td= no heart so he's irrelevant

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17. "RE: he's not even top 3 in the leage RIGHT NOW"
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>shaq= no skill whatso ever. not even best player on his
>team.

I'm not a Lakers fan, or a Shaq fan, or a Kobe fan. I'm actually a Kings fan, but anybody who would say that Shaq has no skill what so ever doesn't know shit about the game of basketball. I'm done! This isn't worth my time, I'd rather watch ESPNews, which is still showing last night highlights.


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70. "lol"
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wow
your gone
Shaq has no skill.......but he can play 5 on 1 and shit on half the teams in the league
Kobe would carry the sixers the same if not better than AI because he would drop just as many if not more points AND contribute more on defense and boards.
Duncan is out of the question cuz he has no heart?
you dont deserve to talk about basketball
the kid dominates, has 2 titles where he basically carried the team, MVPs, and he dont do shit but play the damn game
no rows, no yelling, no beef with coach, he just plays, and he wins, and that makes him nothing?

Once again, and im backin up the dude b4 me, AI is not even top 3 in the league right now!
i like AI
but KG SHAQ Kobe Duncan McGrady
maybe even Dirk PP Kidd

at LEAST 3 go ahead of Iverson.

your from philly, thats all, just call him your hero, not the GOAT

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72. "RE: lol"
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not from philly and i speak the truth.

shaq is wack (hey that rhyme) . no skill whatsoever. he only is good because he's a thug and most centers in the L are too fucking timid to body em up. knock shaq 5 feet off the basket and he avg. 5pts, bottomline. i'm sick of ppl saying he got skill and good footwork,etc. nigga got no footwork, he got plenty of elbow work tho. i give him props for that at least

kobe: like i said he is naturally more gifted than AI. but thats about it. his determination and heart at on AI level. i cant really respect a player that will "limit" his game in order to let someone else shine (shaq). kobe said he did this to please phil jackson....no heart at all. lakers should be his team.

tim duncan: i respect his game and shit, but his supporting cast is way better than AI's.

dirk: not consistent enough to even be relevant
peirce: i hope u were joking when u said p^2 .

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92. "RE: lol"
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he has skill, where is the basis? why because he cant shoot a jumper? yo, moses malone looked way nastier and he is one of the greatest no doubt.

that said, i do agree that a lack of competition has made shaq better. you look at the lack of competiton wilt and russell had and it was sort of similar, but at least they had one another to play 12 times a year and in the playoffs and they did A LOT more title and stat wise. Kareem is better than Shaq because he played against Wilt, Walton, Cownens, Hayes, Olajuwon, Ewing, and I could go on for weeks, he played forever and kicked ass all over the place. Shaq, I agree, couldnt hold them guys' jock and probably isnt as good as the Dream, but no skill? That's a bit of a stretch...

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96. "RE: lol"
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>not from philly and i speak the truth.
>
>shaq is wack (hey that rhyme) . no skill whatsoever. he only
>is good because he's a thug and most centers in the L are
>too fucking timid to body em up. knock shaq 5 feet off the
>basket and he avg. 5pts, bottomline. i'm sick of ppl saying
>he got skill and good footwork,etc. nigga got no footwork,
>he got plenty of elbow work tho. i give him props for that
This has to be the funniest shit I have read all day.Shaq is one of the 5 greatest centers of all-time.He has amazing footwork for somebody who is 7-1 and 330 pounds.And he does have range out to 15 feet on his jumper.Now he is not in my Holy trinity of centers which is Wilt,Russell and Kareem.But I do give credit where credit is due.

>kobe: like i said he is naturally more gifted than AI. but
>thats about it. his determination and heart at on AI level.
>i cant really respect a player that will "limit" his game in
>order to let someone else shine (shaq). kobe said he did
>this to please phil jackson....no heart at all. lakers
>should be his team.

That is part of being a great player sacrificing your game.All the great ones do it Bird when he was with Boston,Magic did it,Wilt did it,MJ did it,Russell did it and the Big O did it.
>
>tim duncan: i respect his game and shit, but his supporting
>cast is way better than AI's.
Duncan is the most complete player and the best in the game right now.
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100. "RE: lol"
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i agree, i think ai sacrificed his *scoring* (thats what we really mean right? no one sacrifices passing, rebounding, moving without the ball or defense for the team do they?) a little last year and would do it further if he the situation called for it. but it doesnt...

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86. "Co-Sign"
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on all of that

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87. "Word, that's what I'm saying"
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15. "on some real shit"
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AI always gon get out shined by other niggas in the league ..so i expect yall to say all this dumb shit

i think its gon take for him to die or after he retire for his contributions to be realized. like on some satchel paige , barry sanders shit

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18. "Who didn't appreciate Barry Sanders?"
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And I'm pulling for AI as GOAT but he's got a long way to go before even being considered.


  

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22. "RE: Who didn't appreciate Barry Sanders?"
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people who said emmitt was iller

smith was a great back but come on, he had a line that was a million times better and his reliability both in his week-in week-out play and over his career are his real strengths. Speaking as an Eagles fan who saw Smith at his best at least twice a year (fucker), I think I can say that seeing Barry at his best was much more impressive and entertaining, allegiances aside (I also like the Bears so I am not nuts about Motown either).

I think Emmitt-Barry, Russell-Wilt and so on are pretty good parallels for the Kobe-AI debate. The former gets more wins, gets love in some circles. The latter has better numbers, looks more dominant individually, is typically more popular with fans but in the end doesnt get the same love from the media as a champion/GOAT etc

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20. "lemme think about it"
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21. "he is the GOAT of"
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23. "RE: he is the GOAT of"
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so youre saying he is better than shaq? cool...

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31. "RE: he is the GOAT of"
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He ain't Better than Shaq in Nothing.I can't wait for Shaq to Swat AI's Junk into Penny Marshall's PopCorn.

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27. "Kobe Beats His Ass up in every which a way"
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tired of this East Coast Bias Crap.AI is a Great Player&Hall of Fame Bound no Doubt.but He can't carry Kobe's Afro Pick.Kobe will Light His Ass up.just like with Rap The West Side Rules in Hoops&in Rap Music.Kobe rips that George Jefferson Chump to Bits.

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30. "RE: Kobe Beats His Ass up in every which a way"
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look at head to head games, i doubt kobe even has the advantage in scoring, steals or assists, Kobe cant lock him down except one game I seen where he held him to like 18. They gotta double team him all day, Sixers guard Kobe one on one pretty often. McKie used to be one of the better "kobe stoppers" and lately they have stayed one-on-one against him although I admit he has hurt them sometimes. Every year the teams split their meetings, and Kobe doesnt outshine Allen.

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41. "RE: Kobe Beats His Ass up in every which a way"
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please you always got Cats trying to brag about Being Kobe Stoppers.nobody every goes oh I'm a AI stopper.Kobe is the kind of Cat that can change a Game.Iverson is Bad but He ain't on Kobe's Level.

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55. "RE: Kobe Beats His Ass up in every which a way"
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Actually, only one cat has bragged about being an AI stopped, Patterson, and we all know he is full of shit. At times I seen guys lock him down, Bowen did a great job in the playoffs and until recently he had some problems against cats like Christie, Mckie (getting old now) etc.

That said, no one brags about being an AI stopped because cant nobody stop him one on one!

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29. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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one thing though, mckie has had a couple years where he'd be the sixth man on any team, dont hate, especially since you are reppin philly/temple. he is a strong player, not a star but a cat who would get serious burn anywhere throughout the better years of his career. i think snow, as he has developed, could start on a lotta clubs too. there is a reason those three guards have been the core of the team and the only holdvers year after year

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36. "And you're probably in middle school"
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37. "RE: And you're probably in middle school"
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who are you talking to? hey, i definitely dont need to hear any shit talk from a clippers fan, dating back to the braves days they have pissed away any talent they have had at any position. you look at the list of guys coming off of buffalo, sd and LA and you see them supplying the L with decent players while sucking the bottom of cellar.

if AI is getting mentioned with zeke and tiny, he must be ill. personally think he is better than zeke and up there with Archibald, time will tell. Tiny was pretty fucking raw, that year when he won the scoring title and averaged like ten dimes a game is pretty amazing. I'd have to see more of his play, I have only seen maybe a dozen games whereas zeke and allen I have watched through most/their whole careers

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38. "Iverson is top 3 maybe number one"
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You know the numbers
the stats
the trends
the ones that change the game.

If Iverson has a championship he has everything a great player could ever have but you have a few great players with no ring. Is it Iverson's fault that he hasn't had a strong team since he has been in the league?

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50. "RE: And you're probably in middle school"
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learn how to read posts before responding, just because its under your post doesnt mean its directed towards yours...anyway, AI being top three in the league can be debated, but not of all time, not yet, hes still playing, he hasnt done enough, you cant call someone the greatest because of what they might and could do, it has to be earned, and he hasnt played long enough to earn it.....and the Clipper thing; i know my team sucks, i've always been a clipper fan and i always will, i dont root for a team just because they win, if anything, being a clipper fan should give me more credibility

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56. "RE: And you're probably in middle school"
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i figured you were talking about either the headline or my shit, no worries then

truthfully i have been to a ton of clipper games myself, they are like the cubs of the nba, i kind of root for them.

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40. "you're reachin'."
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42. "Aside from the absolute ridiculousness of this post..."
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you need to seriously expand your vocabulary.

BTW, this sounds rather suspect:

" 4. not related to ball but the ***** basically made braids what they are today...i forgot what the ***** look like wit a cut..."

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43. "RE: Aside from the absolute ridiculousness of this post"
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>you need to seriously expand your vocabulary.

my sentiments exactly. and tha truth and i very rarely agree on anything. but he's on point with this one.

>BTW, this sounds rather suspect:
>
>" 4. not related to ball but the ***** basically made braids
>what they are today...i forgot what the ***** look like wit
>a cut..."

agreed.

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44. "bwahahahahahaaa..."
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..top 3???..
.
.
.
..bwahahahahaaaaa...


..G.O.A.T?..
.
.
.
..BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaaaaa!!!

..dude get serious

you need to go check the nba archives. i can think of at least 7-10 guys who played that are better than him.

you tried to use his SIZE as a technicality? thas like sayin' shaq is the best 'cause he's huge. stupid.

yeah, iverson has one of the biggest hearts ever, but that don't make him top 3. shit, he ain't even top 5.

hell, i could argue that bird didn't have half the athletic ability that most cats have, but STILL managed to dominate. that doesn't make him the best.

not only is this the worst.post.ever, but its also the WEAKEST argument on his behalf that i've ever seen.

iverson would laugh at you...


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45. "RE: bwahahahahahaaa..."
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archive this. it's too stupid to just fade away.

  

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46. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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yo on the real i expect yall cats to hate, because you are followers and not leaders....scared to speak the truth. it's cool.

i look deeper into things, i refuse to watch espn and take thier commentary as the bible of sports. u cats need to elevate your analytical skills. on the real

and you saying i have no argument???? where is your argument....

o wilt /shaq is GOAT cause they were dominant, fuck outta here wit that bullshit!!!

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47. "how old are you?"
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just curious.

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48. "RE: how old are you?"
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dude dont try to insult my intelligence because you will play yourself..on the real

i'm a 22 year old MIS senior @ wharton, upenn....what you doing with your life...?

o and i scored 700 on the english portion of my sat's....(thats for the cat talking about my vocab.)

its crazy how if someone has a different opinion then the majority..everyone insists on resorting to insults to prove that person is wrong...black people be on some dumb shit i swear

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49. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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>yo on the real i expect yall cats to hate, because you are
>followers and not leaders....scared to speak the truth. it's
>cool.
>
>i look deeper into things, i refuse to watch espn and take
>thier commentary as the bible of sports. u cats need to
>elevate your analytical skills. on the real
>
>and you saying i have no argument???? where is your
>argument....
>
>o wilt /shaq is GOAT cause they were dominant, fuck outta
>here wit that bullshit!!!

Ddid you know that WILT had 65 records when he retired.Ddid you know he still owns 50 records and most will never be touched.Did you know he changed the rules to the game.Has Iverson done this?how many records does AI have?Like I said I love AI but to say he is better than Shaq and Wilt is really crazy.Another thing I think most of us on the sports board are fair and always bring something to the table.I don't see anyone dickriding ESPN or these other sports commentators.Iam the first in Line to bash Stuart scott and others on Espn.I also think most people do know the game of B-ball on here so when have you become the authority on Basketball.I ahve been watching and laearning the game since I was 5 years old.So you are nt gonna tell me I don't know the game especially when you have not made a point about Iverson.

  

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51. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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i'll say it so you can understand.
yo, on the real. you need to stop the hate on MJ, Shaq, Bird, Magic, Oscar, Wilt, Kareem, and them. them niggas gots rings. them niggas gots MVP's. them niggas put up huge numbers. them niggas dominated the game on the biggest stage. them niggas played injured too. them niggas shot a decent percentage. them niggas went to practice.
this post is the D.O.A.T.
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52. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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>i'll say it so you can understand.
>yo, on the real. you need to stop the hate on MJ, Shaq,
>Bird, Magic, Oscar, Wilt, Kareem, and them. them niggas
>gots rings. them niggas gots MVP's. them niggas put up huge
>numbers. them niggas dominated the game on the biggest
>stage. them niggas played injured too. them niggas shot a
>decent percentage. them niggas went to practice.
>this post is the D.O.A.T.
>Dumbest Of All Time!

Amen you summed it up Nick.

  

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53. "and with that said, everything said after this reply..."
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..is pointless

>they went to practice...

..BWAHAHAHAHAhahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!


nothin' more to see here folks...

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54. "RE: and with that said, everything said after this repl"
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lock it, archive it, and put it on the shelf baby. this one is a classic!

  

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57. "Co-Sign"
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you Brought the Pain.

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58. "It is an opinion"
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However looking at the numbers if A.I. can stay in the lead for about5-6 more years his numbers will be comparable to any allstar(except wilt).


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65. "watch it, suckah!.. (c) aunt ester"
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>However looking at the numbers if A.I. can stay in the lead
>for about5-6 more years his numbers will be comparable to
>any allstar(except wilt).

..you're startin' to scare me

you keep talkin' like that, and folks will think you and southphilly are related...

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68. "RE: watch it, suckah!.. (c) aunt ester"
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73. "dude, let it gooooo..."
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..its a dead issue

everything else is jus' ammunition...

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59. "What Are You, His Wife?"
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There are cats that didn't make the top 50 list that are better
There are cats balling now that are better

This is insanity

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63. "RE: What Are You, His Wife?"
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Nah fuck that, dont act like he wouldnt be on that 75 anniv. squad, thats a lock

Who that didnt make the 50 is better? There are only a handful of guards in history better and only a couple i see an argument for in today's game. did you see some of the cats on that list? He's better than almost all the Celtics and Knicks they had on the team that all played together and shit (Jones, Debusschere, Havilcek, etc etc) and many of the legit names too

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76. "2 Off the Top"
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Bernard King
Dominique Wilkins

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93. "RE: 2 Off the Top"
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Nique wasnt on that list? I knew King wasnt and anticipated you saying him. Nah, King is not it and neither is Nique. They are in the building but not standing next to AI, both those guys had ups and downs in their careers and were pretty much pure scorers and little else.

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64. "in response to bignick"
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lmao..ur a funny guy. this is an sports forum on the internet not my graduate thesis.....dont try to weaken my case for AI by pointing out the language i used or the structure of my sentences dawg. its a weak attempt to discredit the valid points i have made.

and your whole comparision of wilt to AI is irrelevant. wilt played in an weak ass era, bottom line. any body would say it...even wilt. russell makes that point several times in various interviews. put AI in that era and no one could guard him. and you know this. 60 records? lmao, if i was a black man with some level of talent playing in a league full of 6'3 white boys with no lateral movement what so ever and in which drive's to the basket are virtually non-existance....i might have a few records to .

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75. "RE: in response to bignick"
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>lmao..ur a funny guy. this is an sports forum on the
>internet not my graduate thesis.....dont try to weaken my
>case for AI by pointing out the language i used or the
>structure of my sentences dawg. its a weak attempt to
>discredit the valid points i have made.
first of all, you weaken your own points by writing like a 14 year old. people on these boards will take even the most outlandish statement semi-seriously if you talk like an adult and back them up with some valid arguments. which, by the way, you didn't.

>and your whole comparision of wilt to AI is irrelevant. wilt
>played in an weak ass era, bottom line. any body would say
>it...even wilt. russell makes that point several times in
>various interviews. put AI in that era and no one could
>guard him. and you know this. 60 records? lmao, if i was a
>black man with some level of talent playing in a league full
>of 6'3 white boys with no lateral movement what so ever and
>in which drive's to the basket are virtually
>non-existance....i might have a few records to .

sure, Wilt did play in an era when the players were smaller. i've made that argument myself many times. but he also played against guys like Russ and Kareem, he also led the league in assists as a 7 footer. and he put up numbers that were so out there, you know he could still be Shaq-like in today's game. by the way, in his last season with the Lakers he was still averaging 18 boards a game.

you're trying to make Iverson the GOAT, when he isn't even the best or most dominant player in the league right now. hell, he isn't even the best or most dominant player in his Conference. anyone who knows anything about basketball will tell you that. there are about a half dozen guys that Philly would trade him for straight up right now. Shaq, Kobe, T-Mac, Duncan, Garnett, Webber, and probably a few more.

To be clear about why this post is horrible:

Iverson has no rings.
Iverson has no MVP's.
Iverson has not dominated the league.
He does not get any bonus points for playing hurt.
He does not get any bonus points for being small.
He does not get any bonus points for braiding his hair.

It's disrespectful to Wilt, Russ, Magic, Bird, MJ, Hakeem, Duncan, Shaq and Kobe for you to even make this argument. Take your lumps like a man. The more you try to defend yourself, the worse it's gonna get.

  

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77. "RE: in response to bignick"
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you now its funny how people think they understand the game. i bet if Wilt was alive right now he would say AI is better than he ever was.

and i am sick of people talking about rings and records, etc. AI is the greatest player of all time on a basketball team. that does not equate to your these silly arguments about who could back down whom in the post and who could outrebound who,etc. matter of fact what relevance at all does Wilt avg. 18 rebounds have to do with his comparision to AI...? should we compare who has a better crossover next? i mean you guys are str8 up ludicris(sp) in ur assessments....i'm losing respect for this sport board

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78. "RE: in response to bignick"
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>you now its funny how people think they understand the game.
>i bet if Wilt was alive right now he would say AI is better
>than he ever was.
is this the same Wilt who said that he could come back to the league and compete when he was in his 60's? no one in the history of the NBA had a bigger ego than Wilt. right now, Iverson is sitting about 5th on the depth chart of greatest Philly players behind Wilt, Malone, Barkley, and Doc.

>and i am sick of people talking about rings and records,
>etc. AI is the greatest player of all time on a basketball
>team. that does not equate to your these silly arguments
>about who could back down whom in the post and who could
>outrebound who,etc. matter of fact what relevance at all
>does Wilt avg. 18 rebounds have to do with his comparision
>to AI...? should we compare who has a better crossover next?

if rings and records do not matter when it comes to comparing great basketball players, then what does? choice of hairstyle? seriously, what are you criteria? just saying that Iverson is the greatest player of all time on a basketball team does not make it so. and it's not going to make anyone respect your opinion any more. if you had bothered to give one intelligent reason why you think he's the greatest, maybe your post wouldn't be receiving the beat down that it is.


>i mean you guys are str8 up ludicris(sp) in ur
>assessments....i'm losing respect for this sport board
you losing respect for this board is the biggest possible compliment that you could pay to it.

  

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79. "RE: in response to bignick"
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i gave my reason in the original post..try reading that before u lash out. do your self a favor and step off the high horse....you dont know what your talking about "big nick"

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88. "RE: in response to bignick"
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>i gave my reason in the original post..try reading that
>before u lash out.
i read your original post. we all did. that's why everyone is clowning you. because your original post was laughable. but let's examine your arguments.

1. "this sixer team as well as all the others are no better then them 20 win teams of the Lucas era and early 90's. look who is on his team , man. even when they get somebody its some washed up cat like kukuc or van horn..and i get the feeling robinson is gon be shitty, so my point is the sixers have been the one of the top 10 teams in the league since AI arrived with no roster what so ever. eric snow , d.coleman, a. mckie dont start on any other playoff team ..bottom line. AI did this shit his self!!!"

when they went to the NBA finals it was largely on the strength of their defense, the anchor of which was Mutombo. Deke gave Iverson, Snow and McKie the freedom to play pressure defense on the perimeter and allowed Iverson to gamble and make a lot of steals. also, during their run Eric Snow has been an excellent point guard, and McKie has been one of the best defenders in the league and a clutch shooter. AI has been the focal point of their offense, but he's hardly done it by himself. even if he has, being the only good player on a team is hardly a sufficient argument for someone being the greatest of all time.

2. "the man has been injured his whole career. i look at niggas like grant hill and even shaq to some extent and shake my head. this nigga AI been fucked up since like his 2nd season. the man has the true heart of a warrior. i cant think of another player in sports history u has played as much as fucked up as AI"

injuries are part of pro sports. everyone deals with it. it's silly to expect AI to get some sort of special consideration because he's been hurt. to me, that hurts your argument more than it helps it because it means he hasn't been that durable. he's too light in the ass to play the way he does, but he's too stubborn to change. if injuries made you great Muresan would be in the hall of fame.

3. "the nigga is lil as shit. the man is smaller than me. i dont give a fuck what the specs say. i stood next to the man, 5'10 145-150 at most. amazing"

i stood next to him too, and he's small by NBA standards. but you don't get bonus points for being short. besides, tons of guys have played and played well that were much shorter than Iverson. also, his size lends itself to his speed and quickness which is by far his biggest advantage as a player. if he were 6'2" or 6'3", he wouldn't be the player that he is today.

4. "not related to ball but the nigga basically made braids what they are today...i forgot what the nigga look like wit a cut..."

one of the stupidest statements ever made in the history of the sports board. and that's saying a lot

5. "every night he outplays nigga that got em by 5-6 in's. make jordan 5'10...the bulls prolly dont even make the playoffs during them years..."

he's short. we get it. you already made this point. it doesn't hold water then and it doesn't hold water now. Jordan wasn't 5'10" so that's irrelevant too.

6. "if he gets a title, its over GOAT..no rap. but now he's behind wilt and MJ"

if "if's" and "but's" were candy and nuts, then every day would be Christmas. the fact remains, he doesn't have a title. besides, there is still a long list of great players (Barkley, Malone, Stockton) who never won rings.

there they are. your "arguments" rendered null and void.

>do your self a favor and step off the
>high horse....you dont know what your talking about "big
>nick"

right. you're claiming Iverson is the best ever, the entire sports board is laughing at you because of that, and I dont' know what i'm talking about. i really hope you don't believe that. but something tells me that you do.

  

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>...i'm losing respect for this sport board

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Man i am done his comments are getiing more funnier by the minute.

  

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94. "RE: in response to bignick"
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yeah but its all about relative to era and shit, i mean by that argument you could say that no players who played in the 60s is deserving of any consideration. Plus cats like Wilt, Robertson and Russell played into the 70s where cats like the Doc, Gervin, Thompson, Hawkins etc (not them cats specifically since they were in the ABA at the time) were there and they still rocked it. All three of those guys won titles very late in their careers.

but yeah, take allen back in time to wilts day and he would have been averaging like 70 points and 20 steals a game.

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that's taking it a lil too far. Top 20 easy, but Wilt was the truth.

  

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83. "Youre an ass"
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o and ur's is genuis? ......spelled wrong on purpose

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95. "RE: Youre an ass"
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hey, fuck these cats

i cant say i agree with you all together, but fuck em anyway

hey, does this mean AI is tough enough to play soccer?

anyway, yeah, fuck em, say what you like...

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97. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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ur an idiot..everyone knows John Stockton is the greatest of all time

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98. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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Come on now whitebread you know that Larry Bird was the greatest of all time(sarcasm).

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101. "the term GOAT"
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really *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* *really* needs to be retired.

  

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105. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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>dont think i'm crazy , consider the facts
>
>1.this sixer team as well as all the others are no better
>then them 20 win teams of the Lucas era and early 90's. look
>who is on his team , man. even when they get somebody its
>some washed up cat like kukuc or van horn..and i get the
>feeling robinson is gon be shitty, so my point is the
>sixers have been the one of the top 10 teams in the league
>since AI arrived with no roster what so ever. eric snow ,
>d.coleman, a. mckie dont start on any other playoff team
>..bottom line. AI did this shit his self!!!
>
>2. the man has been injured his whole career. i look at
>niggas like grant hill and even shaq to some extent and
>shake my head. this nigga AI been fucked up since like his
>2nd season. the man has the true heart of a warrior. i cant
>think of another player in sports history u has played as
>much as fucked up as AI

I think that all of the GREAT NBA players played through their fare share of injuries. AI's are only magnified due to the amount of exposure provided sports today (little things like sprains, tendinitis or sore shoulders were frowned upon back in the day so players never mentioned shit like that). Shit, Bernard King balled with dislocated fingers on both hands and was still dropping fifty on cats during one stretch in his career.
>
>3. the nigga is lil as shit. the man is smaller than me. i
>dont give a fuck what the specs say. i stood next to the
>man, 5'10 145-150 at most. amazing

And, Tiny Archibald was his size AND he ran the point. He average a double figures in point and assists.
>
>4. not related to ball but the nigga basically made braids
>what they are today...i forgot what the nigga look like wit
>a cut...

Yeah, and Doctor J's afro was the shit when he hooped too!?! What the fuck does his hairstyle have to do with his ability to play ball???
>
>5. every night he outplays nigga that got em by 5-6 in's.
>make jordan 5'10...the bulls prolly dont even make the
>playoffs during them years...

Not every night...everybody in the L has off nights.
>
>6.if he gets a title, its over GOAT..no rap. but now he's
>behind wilt and MJ

Even if he wins a title, he'll always be behind MJ and Wilt...

Bottom line: AI is a great player regardless of his size. He plays hurt and plays hard every night. His shooting percentage leaves a lot to be disired but that's part of the package with AI. However, to say he is better than past players such as Magic, Bird, Kareem, the Big O (the most underrated baller ever), Mr. NBA himself, Isiah, Doctor J, etc. and even some of today's current players like T-Mac, Kobe, Shaq, KG, TD (the best in the game right now at both ends of the floor) etc. is such a reach. You haven't given any particular reason why AI stands out as the GOAT. Too much of your argument is based on his size and, while he deserves credit, that shouldn't be the only criteria for making him one of the top 3 GOAT's in NBA history.

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106. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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The bottom line is A.I. is still without a championship. Once he wins a ring then we can start talking about his place in history. Magic, Thomas, and Jordan won rings. It was no questioning there talent becasue they carried there teams to the promised land and also won. Iverson has yet to that.

Iverson is also not the greatest team player. There is no reason why he should not play the point. The problem is that Iverson does not make his teammates that much better. He is a great individual player, but his success often stifles the careers of other decent players. Iverson can not play alongside another legitimate scorer. That's why the sixers have got rid of Stackhouse, Tim Thomas, Van Horn, and Derrick Coleman.

Zeke was a scoring maching at the point but he kept the rest of his teammates happy. The same thing with Jordan and Magic. Jordan made average players look like all stars playing with him. Iverson can not say that of himself.

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107. "Word, cuz even Kidd makes average cats way better..."
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Cuz Martin, Jefferson, and Kittles, would be well more stationary and less damaging without Kidd leading them on. But Iverson has arguably just as much talent around him with Coleman, Glenn Robinson, Kenny Thomas, Eric Snow, Aaron McKey, etc.

  

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110. "RE: Word, cuz even Kidd makes average cats way better.."
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they dont have anyone as good as martin in philly or even jefferson

snow is their caliber but not as a scorer. mckie used to be damn good and him and ai worked real well together, he is just beat up now. coleman is ass, the one year since 1994 he got off his fat ass was last year and AI allowed him to flourish cuz if he wasnt there they could double him and make him turn the ball over cuz he is too slow to split a double team. he makes snow better, they work well in tandem, he makes Thomas and the myriad of funky forwards like Lynch, Hill, Skinner, etc better too, they get mad dimes and o res off of his penetration. Van Horn was the ultimate loaf, he will get booed out of NY before long. You didnt see Kidd making HIM so much better, did you? We have yet to see him and Robinson together, so lets wait at least 25 games before we make any assertions there.

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111. "I just know Iverson has more talent around him..."
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than Pierce does. So if the Celtics make it further than the Sixers, I'd be hard on Iverson. Hell.

  

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112. "RE: I just know Iverson has more talent around him..."
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i was sure of that, not anymore, lb really didnt leave us with a whole lot, it all swings on big dog

i been defending AI so much, he should pay me a retainer fee and shit

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113. "RE: Word, cuz even Kidd makes average cats way better.."
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Kidd gets alot of Props from Me.AI could learn Team Work from Kidd IMHO.

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114. "RE: Word, cuz even Kidd makes average cats way better.."
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eh, you have your opinion, to me if you look at the sixer backcourt vs the nets you more assts out of the sixers i'd wager. ai isnt the pg, he is supposed to shoot first. when kidds team is in trouble and have to slow down into the half court, they dont look that great anyway, its either him or kmart isolating. the sixers move the ball more in set offense, nets just run a phenomenal break. AI could make that happen but he is a one man break, best finisher and best runner on the team, his teammates cant even catch up to him. not that kidd is slow at all, just that his teammates arent

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115. "RE: Word, cuz even Kidd makes average cats way better.."
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Kidd runs&Play West Coast style.Dropped 30 the other night or will Break you off with a 11,11&11 night.take your pick with J-Kidd that makes that cat so scary.DAMN if Kidd had a Shot things would truly be Scary with Him.

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116. "RE: Word, cuz even Kidd makes average cats way better.."
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on one hand i think kidd is truly a compliment player, he'll only win if he is on a club with a big star IMO, although K Mart could eventually be that if they keep him and continue to make smart moves.

but on the other, the thing i love about him is his intangible of being around the ball. AI has it in ways, like on d where he picks it like a cornerback, but Kidd has it all oasver. Almost as tough with steals, infinitely tougher on the glass. He is bigger, but even beyond that is one hell of a rebounding guard. Every loose ball is his, like Larry Bird but fast as shit. That is a special quality, more exceptional (not necessarily better) than his passing even IMO.

The only other cat who touches in terms of guard rebounding is Steve Francis. I swear, when announcers talk about the best PGs in the L, the best reboudning PGs, best scoring PG, it seems like his name never comes up. Dude is averaging like 20/6/7 for his career and only on the rise, that's pretty exceptional

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108. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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yeah there isnt reason he shouldnt play the point, he is the best fucking scorer in the league.

and if he doesnt make his teammates better, how come these sorry ass teams keep winning? yeah, the D is good at times but he contributes at that end and offensively they have been horrible his whole career. Whoever said that Deke was the anchor of their EC champ team is full of shit on that, Ratliff was there for a lotta the year (when they were winning more) and Deke was not at his best at any point, then the next year he KILLED us against the Cs. At that point, I knew he was done and surprise, surprise, he has sucked ever since. He was a warrior playing through injuries and other problems that year, but he just doesnt have it physically the way he once did.

AI makes his teammates way better at the offensive end, he creates for them by driving and is an expert passer in addition to drawing defenders so even when he cant finish, which he is as good as anyone whos even played the game below the rim, his team gets uncontested O-Res and putbacks.

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109. "RE: A.I IS IN TOP 3 ALL-TIME, maybe the GOAT"
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by the way, none of them cats are legit scorers, stackhouse is a terrible ball hog who cant get along anywhere. you think grant hill and jordan are bitches and not team players cuz they cant play with him? give me a break

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