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ErnestLee
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"Your city's Mount Rushmore of Sports"


  

          

Detroit:

Isaiah Thomas
Steve Yzerman
Joe Louis
Bo Schembechler

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This is NOT easy
Dec 12th 2003
1
RE: This is NOT easy
Dec 12th 2003
3
RE: This is NOT easy
Dec 12th 2003
6
      JOE NAMATH. over any FB player, without question.
Dec 12th 2003
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      I refuse to acknowledge Joe Namath.......
Dec 12th 2003
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           not to mention
Dec 12th 2003
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                I tried not to let my personal biases.....
Dec 12th 2003
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                     here's an argument, though
Dec 12th 2003
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                          actually...
Dec 12th 2003
83
                               RE: actually...
Dec 12th 2003
89
                                    And just in case you find that hard to read.....
Dec 12th 2003
90
                                         You are in severe Denial. Severe.
Dec 12th 2003
99
                                              RE: i'll go with that BUT
Dec 12th 2003
128
                                                   I'm saying, my PERSONAL List wouldn't have Namath.....
Dec 13th 2003
132
                                                        But that's the thing
Dec 13th 2003
134
      and LT played in Jersey
Dec 17th 2003
187
      true, NY is not easy, but these are my 4:
Dec 17th 2003
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           RE: good pick with robinson
Dec 18th 2003
197
RE: NY is real tough
Dec 12th 2003
127
Milwaukee
Dec 12th 2003
2
RE: Milwaukee
Dec 14th 2003
151
      He said Milwaukee, not Wisconsin
Dec 14th 2003
161
           Kareem
Dec 14th 2003
164
                He's the reason the Bucks won their only championship
Dec 15th 2003
176
Naptown
Dec 12th 2003
4
RE: Naptown
Dec 12th 2003
47
      Word...Bobby Knight was literally worshiped
Dec 12th 2003
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      bobby knight is from orville ohio...
Dec 14th 2003
150
      oh yea, forgot
Dec 19th 2003
202
Not easy at all
Dec 12th 2003
5
Oh, and Ernest
Dec 12th 2003
7
RE: Oh, and Ernest
Dec 12th 2003
16
      Still...
Dec 12th 2003
97
the bay is easy....
Dec 12th 2003
8
Don't forget...
Dec 12th 2003
10
huh?
Dec 12th 2003
52
      Joe DiMaggio's from San Francisco.
Dec 12th 2003
96
           RE: Joe DiMaggio's from San Francisco.
Dec 15th 2003
175
           no OJ?
Dec 16th 2003
185
agreed
Dec 19th 2003
203
Austin, TX
Dec 12th 2003
9
I thought Earl Campbell was from Tyler
Dec 12th 2003
13
      Yep, and he lives in Elgin...
Dec 12th 2003
19
Atlanta
Dec 12th 2003
11
billy "white shoes" johnson -- football; also:
Dec 12th 2003
43
Deion
Dec 12th 2003
53
he made his on the field impact elsewhere
Dec 12th 2003
81
      ease up son....
Dec 17th 2003
190
I'ma say Hershal
Dec 12th 2003
79
he would've been on the list but..
Dec 12th 2003
88
Deion and Dale Murphy gotta be on that jaint.
Dec 12th 2003
100
in front of who?
Dec 12th 2003
112
      RE: in front of who?
Dec 17th 2003
191
      RE: in front of who?
Dec 17th 2003
192
           i'm not frontin on deion
Dec 19th 2003
201
Well done
Dec 12th 2003
105
      appreciate it.
Dec 12th 2003
106
Chicago
Dec 12th 2003
12
Ditka/Butkus
Dec 12th 2003
107
I was gonna put Ditka
Dec 12th 2003
118
Ernie Banks
Dec 13th 2003
135
      It's a tough call
Dec 13th 2003
149
           I look at it like this
Dec 15th 2003
165
           I dare you to say that to some old time Hawks fans
Dec 15th 2003
177
                I would
Dec 16th 2003
178
           RE: YOU WOULD LEAVE ERNIE FUCKING BANKS OFF!?!
Dec 16th 2003
180
                Bobby Hull won a ring here, Ernie didn't
Dec 19th 2003
199
Minneapolis/St. Paul
Dec 12th 2003
14
I like your list...
Dec 12th 2003
75
Buffalo NY
Dec 12th 2003
76
      RE: Buffalo NY
Dec 12th 2003
102
Good list
Dec 13th 2003
144
Kansas City.....
Dec 12th 2003
15
Jackie Robinson or Satchel Paige
Dec 12th 2003
108
      True, but Buck is like an institution in KC.....
Dec 15th 2003
169
Louisville, KY..We just have
Dec 12th 2003
17
I was thinking you meant
Dec 12th 2003
30
RE: what about unitas?
Dec 12th 2003
123
      Check my back up reply.
Dec 13th 2003
141
           RE: gotcha
Dec 14th 2003
155
Washington, DC
Dec 12th 2003
18
RE: Washington, DC
Dec 12th 2003
51
Yeah, Darryl Green, fo sho.
Dec 12th 2003
63
I'd say Green
Dec 12th 2003
77
Green
Dec 12th 2003
113
Joe Gibbs
Dec 13th 2003
140
RE: Washington, DC
Dec 15th 2003
167
that's a tough one...
Dec 12th 2003
20
hell yeah
Dec 12th 2003
23
RE: that's a tough one...
Dec 12th 2003
24
Fernando's value to this city
Dec 12th 2003
26
      another co-sign
Dec 12th 2003
46
      *blinders falling away*
Dec 12th 2003
66
co-sing on Dionne
Dec 12th 2003
55
the football pick...
Dec 12th 2003
69
phew
Dec 12th 2003
86
RE: LA
Dec 12th 2003
131
ok let me add a bit
Dec 17th 2003
186
tigers??? Kaline, Greenberg
Dec 12th 2003
21
Yeah, you've got a point there
Dec 12th 2003
25
      Night Trane Lane over Barry...
Dec 12th 2003
27
      RE: Yeah, you've got a point there
Dec 12th 2003
31
           RE: Yeah, you've got a point there
Dec 12th 2003
48
Philly
Dec 12th 2003
22
cosign on Bednerick
Dec 12th 2003
28
shit, i knew i forgot someone.
Dec 12th 2003
29
      I thought about bednarick
Dec 12th 2003
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      regardless
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33
      Doc did bring y'all a title
Dec 12th 2003
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      who would i bump?
Dec 12th 2003
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      gotta find a bigger mountain I guess n/m
Dec 12th 2003
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      RE: Doc did bring y'all a title
Dec 12th 2003
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           you mean
Dec 12th 2003
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                RE: you mean
Dec 12th 2003
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      RE: frazier over parent for sure
Dec 12th 2003
125
RE: Philly
Dec 12th 2003
122
Erie, PA
Dec 12th 2003
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you forgot
Dec 12th 2003
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      most definitely
Dec 12th 2003
38
Boston
Dec 12th 2003
40
RE: Boston
Dec 12th 2003
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      it's not about # of rings though
Dec 12th 2003
44
           I was thinking
Dec 12th 2003
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           RE: it's not about # of rings though
Dec 12th 2003
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           you're right
Dec 12th 2003
73
           philly's not that hard either, really
Dec 12th 2003
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           Steve Carlton???
Dec 12th 2003
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                he's great
Dec 12th 2003
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                     Just for argument's sake, let's hear your 10
Dec 12th 2003
94
                          nolan ryan, doc gooden...
Dec 13th 2003
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                               If you're going to include guys like..........
Dec 13th 2003
137
                                    eh...
Dec 13th 2003
138
                                         Ted Williams said......
Dec 13th 2003
139
                                              i did think about Feller
Dec 13th 2003
142
                                                   RE: that indian staff was raw
Dec 14th 2003
158
           Russell absolutely has a spot.
Dec 17th 2003
195
           i went to Bill Russle night at the fleet center once
Dec 14th 2003
156
Columbus, Ohio
Dec 12th 2003
41
Maybe need 1 b-ball buckeye, but thats lookin right 2 m
Dec 12th 2003
111
Baltimore
Dec 12th 2003
45
you forgot
Dec 12th 2003
49
also good choices
Dec 12th 2003
50
You have to switch the order, though.
Dec 12th 2003
85
      RE: You have to switch the order, though.
Dec 17th 2003
193
St. Louis
Dec 12th 2003
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cudos on Jackie Joyner Kersey..n/m
Dec 12th 2003
72
Houston, TX...
Dec 12th 2003
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      St. Louis also
Dec 12th 2003
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      big up for JR
Dec 12th 2003
110
Wow. St. Louis has a helluva list.
Dec 12th 2003
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I'd figure there would be more baseball
Dec 12th 2003
109
even though he only here for a few years...
Dec 13th 2003
133
      RE: even though he only here for a few years...
Dec 15th 2003
170
           are you kidding?
Dec 15th 2003
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                RE: are you kidding?
Dec 15th 2003
173
RE: Your city's Mount Rushmore of Sports
Dec 12th 2003
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RE: Seattle
Dec 12th 2003
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RE: Seattle
Dec 12th 2003
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      Steve Prefontaine???
Dec 12th 2003
71
      RE: Tha Dawgfather
Dec 12th 2003
93
      Coos Bay, Oregon
Dec 12th 2003
114
      i would put steve emtman over don james
Dec 15th 2003
172
           RE: Really?
Dec 16th 2003
179
                i'm not a fan of the bitch-ass huskies
Dec 17th 2003
194
toronto
Dec 12th 2003
91
Damaso Garcia n/m
Dec 12th 2003
95
he'd be on the anti-rushmore list
Dec 12th 2003
117
Pretty good
Dec 12th 2003
98
you gotta be kidding me!
Dec 12th 2003
116
      I dare say you're new here
Dec 13th 2003
147
Wendel!!!
Dec 14th 2003
153
      Haha...I thought about Wendel
Dec 14th 2003
159
Bull City is a one sport town.
Dec 12th 2003
92
Terre Haute, IN
Dec 12th 2003
101
San Diego:
Dec 12th 2003
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RE: what about the big redhead?
Dec 16th 2003
181
Charlotte, NC
Dec 12th 2003
115
I've seen this guy
Dec 12th 2003
119
no doubt ....
Dec 15th 2003
168
Hartford Connecticut
Dec 12th 2003
120
Denver
Dec 12th 2003
124
RE: about motown...
Dec 12th 2003
126
What's really good with Oaktown?
Dec 12th 2003
129
RE: Oakland is pretty easy IMO
Dec 12th 2003
130
      In a few years...
Dec 13th 2003
148
      Madden's a lock
Dec 15th 2003
166
           RE: word
Dec 16th 2003
182
Akron, Ohio
Dec 13th 2003
143
LeBron is already bigger than all of those guys...
Dec 13th 2003
145
      RE: LeBron is already bigger than all of those guys...
Dec 13th 2003
146
           RE: LeBron is already bigger than all of those guys...
Dec 16th 2003
183
Shreveport, LA
Dec 14th 2003
152
Montreal
Dec 14th 2003
154
What's really good with PITTSBURGH?
Dec 14th 2003
157
RE: What's really good with PITTSBURGH?
Dec 14th 2003
160
      I ain't from the 'Pitt, but I like this list. n/m
Dec 14th 2003
162
      DETROIT
Dec 14th 2003
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      RE: gotta be stargell!
Dec 16th 2003
184
           RE: gotta be stargell!
Dec 17th 2003
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                RE: yeah, its a hard one
Dec 18th 2003
198
RE: Your city's Mount Rushmore of Sports
Dec 15th 2003
174
Wilmington, DE
Dec 17th 2003
189
For Philly 80s babies its
Dec 19th 2003
200
stockton, ca
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1. "This is NOT easy"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Mad heads will likely disagree w/ this and I'm not 100% sure myself, but:

New York:

Babe Ruth
Lawrence Taylor
Tom Seaver
Walt Frazier

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"Life is inherently morally ambiguous, contradictory and paradoxical. If questions about virtually any subject having to do with human interaction seem able to be answered with 'yes' or 'no,' or if they seem to fall easily into right/wrong, black/white categories, chances are far greater that we're overlooking some integral issue than that the answer is really that simple." -- Okayplayer Janey

"God makes me play well. That is why I always make the sign of a cross when I walk out on to the pitch. I feel I would be betraying him if I didn't." -- Diego Armando Maradona

"Ain't but one sideline I'd stand on. And that's the Giant sideline." -- Lawrence Taylor

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HowieDooem
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Fri Dec-12-03 06:56 AM

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3. "RE: This is NOT easy"
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damn, new york has got to be the toughest city to just single out four players. it's hard enough to pull out 4 yankees alone, much less draw from all sports. your list has no slouches on it though, that's for sure.

  

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6. "RE: This is NOT easy"
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Arguments can be made for Willis Reed and Patrick Ewing over Frazier. Arguments can also be made for Mickey Mantle and Lou Gehrig, though certainly not over Ruth. Seaver and Taylor are unquestionably the best players the Mets and Giants have had, so it's hard to keep them off this list. And even though this city has seen some hockey greats, none were great enough to bump any of these fellas. Plus, most of those guys played on Long Island.

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"Life is inherently morally ambiguous, contradictory and paradoxical. If questions about virtually any subject having to do with human interaction seem able to be answered with 'yes' or 'no,' or if they seem to fall easily into right/wrong, black/white categories, chances are far greater that we're overlooking some integral issue than that the answer is really that simple." -- Okayplayer Janey

"God makes me play well. That is why I always make the sign of a cross when I walk out on to the pitch. I feel I would be betraying him if I didn't." -- Diego Armando Maradona

"Ain't but one sideline I'd stand on. And that's the Giant sideline." -- Lawrence Taylor

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62. "JOE NAMATH. over any FB player, without question."
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I love LT, but no football player was ever as beloved as Joe Namath.

And as much as I see you on Babe, the gap betwen him and Gherig, Mantle, or Dimmaggio might be a lot closer than we think in TERMS OF NEW YORK BELOVED-NESS. Mantle was woven right into the fabric of the city, as was Dimmaggio. Babe was too, but played before New York was New York.


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67. "I refuse to acknowledge Joe Namath......."
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..... as being anything more than the most overrated player in New York sports history.

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"Life is inherently morally ambiguous, contradictory and paradoxical. If questions about virtually any subject having to do with human interaction seem able to be answered with 'yes' or 'no,' or if they seem to fall easily into right/wrong, black/white categories, chances are far greater that we're overlooking some integral issue than that the answer is really that simple." -- Okayplayer Janey

"God makes me play well. That is why I always make the sign of a cross when I walk out on to the pitch. I feel I would be betraying him if I didn't." -- Diego Armando Maradona

"Ain't but one sideline I'd stand on. And that's the Giant sideline." -- Lawrence Taylor

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68. "not to mention"
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you can't keep LT off this list. right?

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70. "I tried not to let my personal biases....."
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Fri Dec-12-03 11:48 AM

  

          

.... affect my choices here, as evidenced by my inclusion of Yankees. But I can't accept any NY football player over LT, including Phil Simms and Frank Gifford.

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"Life is inherently morally ambiguous, contradictory and paradoxical. If questions about virtually any subject having to do with human interaction seem able to be answered with 'yes' or 'no,' or if they seem to fall easily into right/wrong, black/white categories, chances are far greater that we're overlooking some integral issue than that the answer is really that simple." -- Okayplayer Janey

"God makes me play well. That is why I always make the sign of a cross when I walk out on to the pitch. I feel I would be betraying him if I didn't." -- Diego Armando Maradona

"Ain't but one sideline I'd stand on. And that's the Giant sideline." -- Lawrence Taylor

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78. "here's an argument, though"
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does new york need a football player? new york (sorry) isn't really a big football town, relatively speaking. the only two sports that need to be represented on ny's wall would be baseball and basketball. it's very hard to keep it down to one yankee. can you really keep joe d off that list? joe meant more to new york than taylor did. then you think about all the great athletes the new york area produced or nurtured outside of the big four sports and it gets REALLY hard. Like, was John McEnroe more representative of New York than LT?

the one thing in LT's favor is that so many new york sports stars did coke.

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83. "actually..."
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I hate to say this...but my head tells me Namath over LT...if it's just one football player....

Joe D would have to be there....

  

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89. "RE: actually..."
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I can accept a DiMaggio, Mantle or Gehrig, but I entreat you to take a look at ole' Joe Willie Namath's numbers compared to a few other NY QBs:

Att Comp Pct. Yds TD INT
Joe Namath, 1965-76 3655 1836 0.502 27057 170 215
Phil Simms, 1979-93 4647 2,576 0.554 33462 199 157
Ken O'Brien, 1983-92 3465 2039 0.588 24386 124 95
Y.A. Tittle, 1950-64 3817 2118 0.555 28339 212 221

I rest my case.

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"Life is inherently morally ambiguous, contradictory and paradoxical. If questions about virtually any subject having to do with human interaction seem able to be answered with 'yes' or 'no,' or if they seem to fall easily into right/wrong, black/white categories, chances are far greater that we're overlooking some integral issue than that the answer is really that simple." -- Okayplayer Janey

"God makes me play well. That is why I always make the sign of a cross when I walk out on to the pitch. I feel I would be betraying him if I didn't." -- Diego Armando Maradona

"Ain't but one sideline I'd stand on. And that's the Giant sideline." -- Lawrence Taylor

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90. "And just in case you find that hard to read....."
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The stats show that Namath threw 215 picks and only 170 TDs

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"God makes me play well. That is why I always make the sign of a cross when I walk out on to the pitch. I feel I would be betraying him if I didn't." -- Diego Armando Maradona

"Ain't but one sideline I'd stand on. And that's the Giant sideline." -- Lawrence Taylor

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99. "You are in severe Denial. Severe."
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Name me another New York Athlete that is so identifiably NEW YORK, that their nickname is none other than one of the most the city's most famous avenues?

"Broadway."

You are in severe denial if you think Lawrence Taylor is more IDENTIFIABLY NEW YORK and is MORE BELOVED than Joe Namath. We are NOT talking about BETTER. We are talking about Mt.Rushmore, as in those athletes who the city LOVES. Who the city IDENTIFIES WITH.

"Broadway Joe" IS NEW YORK CITY. PERIOD. He IS the swagger, the brashness, that characterizes New Yorkers.

Putting up stats is irrelevant.

I mean seriously, which New York Giant back do you feel is more identifiably a Giant, Joe Morris, or Rodney Hampton?

Joe Morris, of course. Rodney Hampton, however, is the NYG all time leading rusher.

ALSO, Kerry Collins' single season numbers DWARF most of Phil Simms' best single season numbers.

Again, you can't go by numbers.

Namath is in, period.


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128. "RE: i'll go with that BUT"
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while namath was excellent and a huge part of NY lure he also embodies a lot of the NY hype that sucks so much about the city. his numbers do tell a story of a cat who didnt deliver every year and certainly does not deserve the consideration he gets as greatest ever and speculation that his win over the colts was a fixed game lingers until this day (the nfl largely suppresses this but there was a feature on it on espn classic not long ago).

LT on the flip side was the absolute goods and if you look at a hard-partying, crack smoking lunatic, you got a pretty fine new yorker in my very biased opinion (as I wear my I *broken heart that says FUCKING HATE* NY t shirt to sleep here). He came through huge, won two super bowls and dominated the game in a manner that I have never seen a defensive player do, and i have seen a little bit (of the best) of the 60s bears, eagles and packers stuff with three of the most dominant LBs around.

i could see the namath idolization argument and since i put dimaggio in over ruth (very questionable in retrospect) i guess i can dig, but i like taylor personally...

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132. "I'm saying, my PERSONAL List wouldn't have Namath....."
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I think he's mad overrated too. I'm not really feeling him like that at all, but if we are talking about athletes that define a city, Namath gotta be there.

LT is one of my favorite people on earth. I love LT. An interesting facet to LT's mystique is that he wasn't nearly as interesting to the media during his career as he was after it. He was never a soundbite guy during his career. He wasn't like a Ray Lewis, who the media went to for clever comments. LT was just LT. He was rather quiet, had a lot of repressed anger, but loved his coach, and took it all out on quarterbacks.

This might have compromised LT's overall fame in NY. Yeah, pretty much know who it is, but not like Namath. Namath has commercials. There are tons of photos of Namath on the sideline with his fur coat on and shit. Dude is just mad mad famous.

And oddly, I TOTALLY FEEL YOU on putting DImmaggion in over Ruth. I thought I was the only one who would have considered that. Ruth was of course, Ruth, but Dimmaggion was king of new york when New York city was more identifiably New York City. Ruth was King too long ago, I think.


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134. "But that's the thing"
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Namath was a bigger celebrity than he was a football player. The fact that he was on Brady Bunch and shit and had his picture on billboards created a legend that didn't necessarily match up with his athletic accomplishment. His fame is bullshit hollywood/madison avenue nonsense.

And I I've also heard that story about Superbowl III being fixed. In this book I read recently, "Going Long", former Colt and "Police Academy" star Bubba Smith makes that claim. If it's true, that has to tarnish the Namath legend.

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187. "and LT played in Jersey"
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>And even though this city has seen some hockey greats, none
>were great enough to bump any of these fellas. Plus, most
>of those guys played on Long Island.

Ha ha... but yeah, there's way too many greats in the city's sports history to go looking for people who played on the Island, or the rest of the greater NY metro area for that matter. Long Island can put up it's own Mt. Rushmore of sports, which I'll post shortly.

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196. "true, NY is not easy, but these are my 4:"
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Mickey Mantle
Lawrence Talyor
Walt Frazier
Sugar Ray Robinson

Mantle - you can't make an argument that Mantle, DiMaggio or Gehrig were *better* than Ruth, but the Babe is really bigger than NY; he's more representative of baseball and America as a whole than just NY. And DiMaggio was royalty in NY, but Mantle was a god - nobody was ever more loved by Yankee fans than the Mick, so I'm gonna have to go with #7.

(Personally, I would take Gehrig: he was born and raised in NYC the son of immigrants, starred in baseball AND football at Columbia, and spent his whole big league career in the Bronx - that is reppin' NY to the fullest, and no other town can lay claim to him. But Mickey was and is the most beloved by the people, so the popular pick has to be Mantle.)

LT - if it was solely the bright lights, big city argument I'd say Broadway Joe, but taking into account both fame off the field AND greatness on it, Taylor had it all: LT had the larger than life NY personality and swagger AND was a true all-time great on the field, so I gotta go with Lawrence. The fact that Ken O'Brien - KEN O'BRIEN - was actually quite more efficient at QB than Namath over their Jets careers just seals that decision in stone (I repeat, this is *Ken O'Brien* we're talking about here, folks - this point cannot be stressed enough)

Walt Frazier - Willis was a rock for the Knicks, but that was Clyde's team, and he had the flair and style both on and off the court to be quintessentially NY (Sorry Ewing, but Clyde has the rings and the style to rep NY and you don't - them's the breaks)

Sugar Ray Robinson - perhaps the greatest boxer ever, learned the sweet science in Harlem and fought out of NY, and was an original ghetto fabulous uptown cat, making him one of the first superstar athletes with that kind of flair - he's NY through and through.

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197. "RE: good pick with robinson"
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i had pretty much the same list except dr j instead of frazier, he got his start in LI and at rucker then moved onto play for the nets. if you have to pick a knick, sure clyde or possibly reed, but i would go with the doc for the same reason that people pick mike for north carolina. if he had gone to st johns, seton hall etc instead of umass it would be a shoe in but for now i could see serious debate for the lazer.

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127. "RE: NY is real tough"
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Do you pick cats who played in the city as in Boston? Cats from the area like in Indy? Combination heads like in Philly (Bednarik, Chamberlain, Frazier)? I dunno.

Frazier is Mr Knick without a doubt, trumps Brooklynite Bernard King in the bball spot BUT what about legends of Rucker like Tiny Archibald or Long Isle's Julius Erving who also played for the Nets? I dont know who I would take but I would lean towards Erving over Frazier since he lit up the playground and the ABA hardwood in NY, though had he gone to St Johns or Seton Hall instead of UMass it would be a much easier argument to make for me.

In football, LT was the man but Frank Gifford and them might have something to say about that. Still, I will go with LT, best defensive player I have ever seen.

Boxing has gotta be Sugar Ray Robinson, was born in Georgia (not sure exactly where) but definitely cut his teeth Uptown. Maybe the greatest boxer of all time, gotta get the nod.

The Rangers have had some greats but considering the Yankees' success they gotta be left off of the mountain along with the Mets (the two best fizzled with dope in doc and straw although tom seaver and casey stengal might have made cases for themselves) and Jets (Namath=over-rated!).

The Yankees would be tough though, certainly Ruth is the most famous but thinking about Dimaggio (the most idolized in Yankee history), Mantle (possibly the best all around player) and Lou Gehrig it might not be so clear cut. All things considered, I would probably go with Dimaggio, the Italian factor in NY is pretty heavy and Babe Ruth played so long ago that his achievements are at once a marvel and a mystery.


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2. "Milwaukee"
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Robin Yount
Al McGuire
Bob Uecker
Hank Aaron

it's tempting to throw in more of the old Milwaukee Braves (Warren Spahn, Eddie Matthews, etc.) and then there's Kareem and the Big O, but the bulk of their careers weren't here. this is a really tough call.

  

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151. "RE: Milwaukee"
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Robin Yount
Brett Favre
Bart Starr
Reggie White

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161. "He said Milwaukee, not Wisconsin"
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If that were the case, Barry Alvarez would belong on the list as well. The Milwaukee list should be Robin Yount, Kareem Abdul-Jabaar, Al McGuire and Hank Aaron.

  

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164. "Kareem"
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nah, he kinda bitched his way out of milwaukee. he wanted warm weather and a more attractive market. that's why i left him off. all the other guys were more loyal to the city.

  

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176. "He's the reason the Bucks won their only championship"
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As well as their other Finals appearance in which they came within one win at home of another. The franchise still hasn't recovered from his departure.

I'm not exactly with the way MJeff conducted himself when he took off his Bulls uniform for good, but that doesn't mean I'd leave him off the Chicago Rushmore.

  

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4. "Naptown"
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Reggie Miller
Peyton Manning
Marvin Harrison
Edgerrin James

INDIANA: (natives)
John Wooden
Larry Bird
Don Mattingly
Oscar Robinson

Musicians:
Michael Jackson
Freddie Hubbard
Axl Rose
Babyface

You can also thank naptown for Vivica A. Fox's stupid, yet fine ass.

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47. "RE: Naptown"
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>Reggie Miller
>Peyton Manning
>Marvin Harrison
>Edgerrin James

Bobby Knight, maybe??

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121. "Word...Bobby Knight was literally worshiped"
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as was Damon Bailey...

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150. "bobby knight is from orville ohio..."
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lol..the home of smuckers jam..dont ask me how i know..i just do.

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202. "oh yea, forgot"
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i was so glad when they got rid of him anyway. I was going to IU at the time and all these punk-ass frat boys protested and marched and broke some fountain and shit. It was embarrassing as hell. Cuz when there's some real shit to stand up for those mufuckas ain't no where to be found.
Yea, but fuck Bobby Knight. He stifled many-a-career. We needed to start playing like a post-1950's squad finally.
But yea...cats in Indiana do love some Bobby Knight. I'm sure he'd be on the Mount.

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5. "Not easy at all"
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Ashburn (more beloved than schmidt)
Wilt (slight edge over Erving)
Frazier (Ali-Frazier fights alone)
Vermeil





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7. "Oh, and Ernest"
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Yzerman over Gordie Howe is a ludicrous selection.

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16. "RE: Oh, and Ernest"
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>Yzerman over Gordie Howe is a ludicrous selection.

Thought long and hard about it. But Stevie brought 3 titles here and has been in Detroit his whole career. It was not an easy choice but I had to give the captain the nod.

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97. "Still..."
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>Thought long and hard about it. But Stevie brought 3 titles
>here and has been in Detroit his whole career. It was not an
>easy choice but I had to give the captain the nod.

If I recall, Howe brought us 4 cups, is called "Mr. Hockey", 2nd all time in goals scored (among other records), and spent nearly 25 years with the Wings...

it's a tough choice... i'm undecided.

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8. "the bay is easy...."
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joe montana
jerry rice
willie mays
barry bonds


  

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10. "Don't forget..."
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Joe Dimaggio.


  

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52. "huh?"
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>Joe Dimaggio.

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96. "Joe DiMaggio's from San Francisco."
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See, if we were talking athletes that came from the Bay, it would be

Joe DiMaggio
Bill Russell
KC Jones
Barry Bonds

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175. "RE: Joe DiMaggio's from San Francisco."
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I'd subsitute Gary Payton or Jason Kidd for K.C. Jones

>Joe DiMaggio
>Bill Russell
>KC Jones
>Barry Bonds

  

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185. "no OJ?"
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ha ha, just kidding...

But Frank Robinson's from Oakland, right?

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203. "agreed"
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Though it's painful not to include Ronnie Lott.

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9. "Austin, TX"
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Lance Armstrong
Darrell Royal
Earl Campbell
Don Baylor

  

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13. "I thought Earl Campbell was from Tyler"
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19. "Yep, and he lives in Elgin..."
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which is just outside of Austin and he is regularly paraded around the city as the sports god that he most certainly is.

Plus look at other lists in this thread. Being born in the city that idolizes you doesn't seem to be a requirement.




  

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11. "Atlanta"
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Hank Aaron
Dominique Wilkins
Evander Holyfield
Bobby Jones

in football i'm not sure. William Andrews? Gerald Riggs? Bartkowski? Claude Humphrey as the old school underground pick?
We've been mediocre to bad for so long I don't know if we have one. Jamal Anderson is too recent but might get put up there by some. Vick will be the one if he has a long career in the A.
Maybe Herschel Walker even though he was at UGA?

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Are you ready to design your fate?"

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43. "billy "white shoes" johnson -- football; also:"
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tommy nobis
jeff van note
jesse tuggle

gail devers -track and field

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53. "Deion"
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The years he was a Falcon, he WAS the face of the Falcons.

Aaron
Sanders
Wilkins
Dodd

  

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81. "he made his on the field impact elsewhere"
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he really blew up and got rings in dallas and san fran.
he didn't leave a legacy like those others. he built his mansion in Dallas, not Atlanta.

respect,
bc

"Are you really ready to carry some weight?,
Are you ready to design your fate?"

respect,
bc

"my old boy from the Point but I'm from Southwest..."

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Are you ready to design your fate?" -Kelvin Mercer

  

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190. "ease up son...."
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>he really blew up and got rings in dallas and san fran.
>he didn't leave a legacy like those others. he built his
>mansion in Dallas, not Atlanta.

so, you saying Deion didn't do shit in ATL? yeah, he didn't get his rings until after the Falcons...... but ATL loved them some Deion...and still do. The man left a legacy right here in the G-Dome. As I recall, Deion stated he was going into the hall in Black & Red.



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79. "I'ma say Hershal"
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over Bartkowski and White Shoes for football..

that's a tough one though...

  

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88. "he would've been on the list but.."
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he was born in Augusta, lived in Wrightsville and played over at UGA. he doesn't really rep Atlanta.

respect,
bc

"Are you really ready to carry some weight?,
Are you ready to design your fate?"

respect,
bc

"my old boy from the Point but I'm from Southwest..."

"Are you really ready to carry some weight?,
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100. "Deion and Dale Murphy gotta be on that jaint."
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112. "in front of who?"
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i've already said why i didn't pick deion. when was the last time you saw an old highlight of him in a falcons uniform?

good call on dale murphy though. i just couldn't put him in front of aaron. plus hank stayed in atlanta and has become a fixture in the community.

respect,
bc

"Are you really ready to carry some weight?,
Are you ready to design your fate?"

respect,
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191. "RE: in front of who?"
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>i've already said why i didn't pick deion. when was the last
>time you saw an old highlight of him in a falcons uniform?

I've seen many...and a few in person. Why you frontin like the man didn't shine until after ATL?

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192. "RE: in front of who?"
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>i've already said why i didn't pick deion. when was the last
>time you saw an old highlight of him in a falcons uniform?
>

I've seen many...and a few in person. Why you frontin like the man didn't shine until after ATL?

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201. "i'm not frontin on deion"
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Believe me i loveded prime time since when he had two nicknames but the fact is he left to greater success elsewhere. He went to more Pro Bowls and played more years elsewhere.
Fact is he blew up in Atlanta as a personality immediately, but become the shut down half the field corner we remember only by the end of his five years in Atlanta (92,93).
Meanwhile we went 30-50 as a team. Send a lot of the blame for that to Jerry Glanville? yes.
Say Deion was the bright spot? yes.
Recognize he didn't want to stay and build a champion in the A, also an unequivocal yes.
That alone disqualifies him.
I've seen him bigging up Emmitt and Michael much more often more than Gerald Riggs or Aundray Bruce or Tim Green. To my eyes he doesn't identify himself as a Falcon so why should I?

respect,
bc

"Are you really ready to carry some weight?,
Are you ready to design your fate?"

respect,
bc

"my old boy from the Point but I'm from Southwest..."

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105. "Well done"
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>Bobby Jones

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106. "appreciate it."
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now about marvin lewis....LOL

respect,
bc

"Are you really ready to carry some weight?,
Are you ready to design your fate?"

respect,
bc

"my old boy from the Point but I'm from Southwest..."

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12. "Chicago"
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Walter Payton
Michael Jordan
George Halas
Bobby Hull

  

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107. "Ditka/Butkus"
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Fuck it.......

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118. "I was gonna put Ditka"
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But you can only have four people, and Halas out ranks him.

  

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135. "Ernie Banks"
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for Bobby Hull...

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Peace

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149. "It's a tough call"
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But puck fans'll tell you that Bobby was a higher on their sport's GOAT list than Ernie is in baseball.

The fuck would you care for? You're probably fighting to get Greg Walker on that mufucka.

  

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165. "I look at it like this"
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what's more popular:

baseball vs. hockey? Baseball

Cubs vs. Blackhawks? Cubs

Mr. Cub vs Bobby Hull? Ernie B

1 + 1 = 2

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177. "I dare you to say that to some old time Hawks fans"
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It's hard to believe, but there was a time when our parents were our age that the Hawks were the most popular team in town. They were in the Stanley Cup Finals five times between '61-'73. When Bobby Hull left for Winnipeg, the city was devastated. The only comparable analogy I could make would be if Mike decided to sign with the Knicks like he threatened to do if Reinsdorf hadn't given him the $30+ million he wanted each of his last two seasons. The Hawks haven't recovered since, and Bill Wirtz has run the franchise into the ground. In a city where each franchise has done it's fair share of embarassing it's fans over the years, the Hawks are by far the biggest joke of them all.

  

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178. "I would"
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all 15 of them.

My brother, believe it or not, is a HUGE hockey(Black Hawks) fan. I'm buying him game tickets for Christmas this year (last year he got a Jersey). He's schooled me on those mid 60's teams, yep he was alive then, and even he would agree that Ernie was bigger then, and bigger now to Chicago as a whole.

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180. "RE: YOU WOULD LEAVE ERNIE FUCKING BANKS OFF!?!"
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No way man, I agree that Bobby Hull should be up there along with Banks, Jordan and Ditka. It would be painful to leave off Sweetness and GSH, but it has to be done IMO. Banks is Mr Cub and I dont see how you could leave the Cubs off entirely from anything remotely Chicagoan. I picked Ditka because not only was he a star tight end for the bears, but also coached them to a super bowl. you could almost have a separate bears mountain and throw the samuarai or sayers on there to go with those three.

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199. "Bobby Hull won a ring here, Ernie didn't"
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And you don't leave Walter off. There IS no Mt. Rushmore in Chicago w/o Walter Payton on it. It is not worth having if Walter ain't on it. Nobody goes above Walter. Not even Jordan. Not even close.

  

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14. "Minneapolis/St. Paul"
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Herb Brooks, Kirby Pucket, Jim Marshall and Dave Winfield.

With apologies to Kevin Garnett, because I don't think a better athlete has ever played in Minnesota, but we don't care enough about basketball... yet.

I'd rather have Harmon Killebrew, Tony Oliva or Rod Carew representing the Twins than Kirby. I'd also rather include more truly local players that showed up later in their career, like Paul Molitor and Jack Morris - but Dave Winfield gets the "best local athlete ever" nod. Also, the fact remains that the street in front of the Metrodome is still Kirby Puckett Ave.

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75. "I like your list..."
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my only question....Jim Marshall over Alan Page...

but you know...yeah, I can buy that now that I think about it...both were great.


or chris Carter...naw..you got it right.

  

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76. "Buffalo NY"
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Rick James...naw lolol


Jim Kelly
O.J. Simpson
Bob McAdoo
Thurman Thomas
Marv Levy

  

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102. "RE: Buffalo NY"
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>Jim Kelly
>O.J. Simpson
>Bob McAdoo
>Thurman Thomas
>Marv Levy

You forgot a team. Having three people from the same team of the same era (that never won a title) is ridiculous. Some consideration should be given to Dave Andreychuk (Who's ranked high on a number of NHL all-time lists due to longevity and put in about a decade of great hockey in Buffalo), Pat LaFontaine and Dominik Hasek, who had the Sabres as good as they ever got.

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144. "Good list"
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But I might be inclined to put George Mikan on there somewhere. He won 4 championships AND saved the league pretty much singlehandedly.

Maybe Bud Grant too, because IMO he represents the Vikings more then anyone else.

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15. "Kansas City....."
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George Brett
Len Dawson
Derrick Thomas
Buck O'Neil


"People make their jokes, and say we're off to see the Wizard
But me and Dorothy and Toto's on yo' ass when you visit"
-Kansas City's own Tech N9ne

We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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108. "Jackie Robinson or Satchel Paige"
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I think some fucks would put them on there befor GrandPa Buck.


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169. "True, but Buck is like an institution in KC....."
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I met him at the Negro League Museum a few years ago, and he just talked to me and a couple of my friends for like an hour and a half. I would have to say he's second to Muhammad Ali as far as sports celebrities that I have met in my lifetime....


"People make their jokes, and say we're off to see the Wizard
But me and Dorothy and Toto's on yo' ass when you visit"
-Kansas City's own Tech N9ne

We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
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17. "Louisville, KY..We just have"
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the Statue of Liberty of sports:

Muhummad Ali

I couldn't come up with 4 people who would be consisted a Mount Rushmore. We have people, but I wouldn't consider them Mount Rushmore.


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If I Were Your Woman(c) Gladys Knight

If I were your woman
And you were my man
You'd have no other woman
You'd be weak as a lamb
If you had the strength
To walk out that door
My love would over rule my sense
And I'd call you back for more

If I were your woman
If you were my man
If I were your woman
If you were my man
If I were your woman
And you were my man
...
Yeah
She tears you down Darling
Says you're nothing at all
But I'll pick you up Darling
When she lets you fall
You're like a diamond
And she treats you like glass
Yet you make it hard to love you
But Babe don't ask
(Chorus)
Yeah
Life is so crazy
And love is unkind
Because she came first
Will she hang on your mind
You're a part of me
And you don't even know it
I'm what you need
But I'm too afraid to show it
(Chorus)
If I were your woman
Here's what I'd do
I'd never, never, never stop loving you
If I were your woman
You're sweet lovin' woman
(Chorus)
...you'd need no other woman

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30. "I was thinking you meant"
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born.

Well then,
Muhammad Ali
Johnny Unitas
Denny Crum
Wes Unseld


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If I were your woman
And you were my man
You'd have no other woman
You'd be weak as a lamb
If you had the strength
To walk out that door
My love would over rule my sense
And I'd call you back for more

If I were your woman
If you were my man
If I were your woman
If you were my man
If I were your woman
And you were my man
...
Yeah
She tears you down Darling
Says you're nothing at all
But I'll pick you up Darling
When she lets you fall
You're like a diamond
And she treats you like glass
Yet you make it hard to love you
But Babe don't ask
(Chorus)
Yeah
Life is so crazy
And love is unkind
Because she came first
Will she hang on your mind
You're a part of me
And you don't even know it
I'm what you need
But I'm too afraid to show it
(Chorus)
If I were your woman
Here's what I'd do
I'd never, never, never stop loving you
If I were your woman
You're sweet lovin' woman
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...you'd need no other woman

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123. "RE: what about unitas?"
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even though he is for sure on baltimore's list, he has gotta be on louisville's too, right?

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141. "Check my back up reply."
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**Inaugural Member, OkaySports Hall of Fame**

If I Were Your Woman(c) Gladys Knight

If I were your woman
And you were my man
You'd have no other woman
You'd be weak as a lamb
If you had the strength
To walk out that door
My love would over rule my sense
And I'd call you back for more

If I were your woman
If you were my man
If I were your woman
If you were my man
If I were your woman
And you were my man
...
Yeah
She tears you down Darling
Says you're nothing at all
But I'll pick you up Darling
When she lets you fall
You're like a diamond
And she treats you like glass
Yet you make it hard to love you
But Babe don't ask
(Chorus)
Yeah
Life is so crazy
And love is unkind
Because she came first
Will she hang on your mind
You're a part of me
And you don't even know it
I'm what you need
But I'm too afraid to show it
(Chorus)
If I were your woman
Here's what I'd do
I'd never, never, never stop loving you
If I were your woman
You're sweet lovin' woman
(Chorus)
...you'd need no other woman

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155. "RE: gotcha"
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i was thinking about unseld as well...

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18. "Washington, DC"
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Wes Unseld
Sonny Juergensen
Sugar Ray Leonard
Walter Johnson

could be lots of debate on this one

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51. "RE: Washington, DC"
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Hmmm,

Sonny is a local fave, but on the real, the Skins will always be remembered for Joe Gibbs.

You could actually take Jurgensen out and make a solid argument to plug in either:

A. Gibbs
B. Darryl Green

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63. "Yeah, Darryl Green, fo sho."
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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77. "I'd say Green"
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over Gibbs...but barely...Sonny jurgenson's a good pick too though...

I was thinking about Jack Kent Cooke...but he did a lot in LA too...

  

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113. "Green"
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for longevity and the fact that he should be running that franchise sometime in the not too distant future.

respect,
bc

"Are you really ready to carry some weight?,
Are you ready to design your fate?"

respect,
bc

"my old boy from the Point but I'm from Southwest..."

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140. "Joe Gibbs"
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HAS to be there. One of the best football coaches of all time.


and IM not the only one swearing by kerry collins. the
entire league swears by kerry collins that he's a top tier
quarterback. -- Abbstrack


  

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167. "RE: Washington, DC"
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-sammy baugh
-darrell green
-john thompson
-wes unseld

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20. "that's a tough one..."
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Magic Johnson
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
John Wooden
Fernando Valenzula
Deacon Jones

you could substitute Sandy Koufax for Fernando maybe...or put Tommy Lasorda there

oh yeah...Hockey....some would say Gretzkey...but my main man was Marcel Dionne...

  

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23. "hell yeah"
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We can count the dough or kick a flow
or chill out watchin videos
or actin really silly yo but really doe
all that can end...
Whether at the bar with superstars
or cruisin in the trooper car
I really don't care who you are
All I really need is a friend
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24. "RE: that's a tough one..."
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>Fernando Valenzula ????

>you could substitute Sandy Koufax for Fernando maybe

maybe? damn homie, this ain't Mount "Everyone that ever put on the uniform"

not that Fernando wasn't nice but over Koufax? or Drysdale or Garvey or Orel H?

respect,
bc

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respect,
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26. "Fernando's value to this city"
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goes beyond the baseball field....he was/is an important cultural figure here in Los Angeles, for Mexicans, and Mexican Americans....Carried himself with class, and really brought some enthusiasm to the Dodgers that they have not reached since...

Koufax was a great pitcher too though...no doubt....

for LA I think we'd have to have a mountain in each sport...

Koufax
Fernando
Lasorda
Drysdale
Scully

Kareem
Magic
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Chick

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46. "another co-sign"
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We can count the dough or kick a flow
or chill out watchin videos
or actin really silly yo but really doe
all that can end...
Whether at the bar with superstars
or cruisin in the trooper car
I really don't care who you are
All I really need is a friend
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66. "*blinders falling away*"
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i knew fernando was beloved out there but i didn't know he had that sort of influence. question withdrawn.

respect,
bc

"Are you really ready to carry some weight?,
Are you ready to design your fate?"

respect,
bc

"my old boy from the Point but I'm from Southwest..."

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55. "co-sing on Dionne"
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my first thoughts for an LA all sport Rushmore was:

Magic- nuff said
Fernando- culturally speaking, not even close. My pops could barely speak english, but he made damn sure every game we went to, Fernando was pitching. As did every other Mexican
Dionne- playing his career there, before the black and silver
Marcus or Eric in football

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69. "the football pick..."
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you know Marcus and ED would be logical choices...E.D. probably had the most dominate 3 year period any pro athlete has ever had in LA next to Koufax....Marcus was an LA raider and a heisman Trojan..

But...the thing I go back to is that...in my opinion, the greatest player to ever play a certain position in football played that position in Los Angeles collisium for many years....a pretty important position on the field...
..Deacon Jones represents the golden era of Los Angeles Ram football, and in my opinion is the greatest DE in the history of the NFL....


  

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86. "phew"
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i was worried you were going to claim marshall faulk.

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131. "RE: LA"
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wooden
kareem
magic
west

let's fact it, it is a basketball town. wooden is possibly the greatest coach of all time in any sport on any level, his integrity and excellence are unrivaled anywhere in major sports. kareem starred on both the bruins and lakers. magic WAS showtime. jerry west was mr clutch, the leader of those teams where he and baylor carrier them as well as the fantastic early 70s teams and later the architect of greatness in the front office for the Lakers.

certainly if we HAD to pick from the four sports it would be different, but UCLA and the Lakers have had so much more going for them than any other teams it is ridiculous. picking football, i agree deacon jones gets it hands down, de la hoya I guess in boxing (shane mosley is looking like a better pick outta Pomona though!) and Gretzky in hockey. Yes, Marcel Dionne was more of a King but the Great One put hockey on the map for real in LA even though he will always be an Oiler. Baseball is a tough call, too many interesting Dodgers, I would go with Angel Rod Carew for the sake of argument and to avoid splitting hairs between various dodgers.

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186. "ok let me add a bit"
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ok fernando definetly deserves to be there. How the hell do you think the Dodgers got such a huge hispanic fanbase?

Howie Long? I mean the guy is forever loved in the Raider Nation. He was one of the few bright spots in LA's raider days.

I say throw Marcus and Bo on there aswell. Bo is a bit iffy, but had he finished out his career we all know he would be deserving

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21. "tigers??? Kaline, Greenberg"
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or Ernie harwell maybe

  

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25. "Yeah, you've got a point there"
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I ain't from the D, but mine would be:

Gordie Howe
Hank Greenberg
Isaiah Thomas
Joe Louis

And that's leaving off Barry Sanders

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27. "Night Trane Lane over Barry..."
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even Bobby Lane over Barry...


  

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31. "RE: Yeah, you've got a point there"
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>I ain't from the D, but mine would be:
>
>Gordie Howe
>Hank Greenberg
>Isaiah Thomas
>Joe Louis
>
>And that's leaving off Barry Sanders

Greenberg was a great player, but what did he MEAN to Detroit. Thats the angle I was looking for. Heck, If I was to consider a Tiger, it wouldnt be a player, it would be Ernie Harwell. He IS Tiger Baseball.

Suprising a U-M grad doesnt consider Bo. He shaped Michigan football into what it is today. And Ive already responded to the Howe/Yzerman thing.

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48. "RE: Yeah, you've got a point there"
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With the exception of Ty Cobb, who I can't believe we both forgot, Greenberg is the best player the Tigers ever had. He still holds the club records for Home Runs (58) and RBIs (183) in a season, and that 183 is only 8 off the all-time mark. He was also a vital part of two World Championship teams.

If you leave Cobb off the monument, you can't leave off Hank.

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22. "Philly"
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Schmidt.
Chamberlin.
Bednarick.
Parent.

End of story.

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28. "cosign on Bednerick"
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Doc and Joe Frazier could get a look too....Parent would rep. for the Flyers though...

  

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29. "shit, i knew i forgot someone."
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wilt, schmidt, and bednerick are nonnegotiable. wilt and schmidt are all-time bests at their positions. bednerick is the greatest eagle of all time, and to not have an eagle on the list would be ludicrous.

truth be told, i blanked on smokin' joe. do i want to put him in over parent? well, the flyers are a huge part of philly, but of course so too is the fight game. i could go either way. doc definitely gets left off, though--his best years weren't in philly, and i don't feel comfortable bumping a flyer or a fighter to include him. philly's mount rushmore should be about more than the guys on it--it should represent the culture of the city.

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32. "I thought about bednarick"
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>wilt, schmidt, and bednerick are nonnegotiable. wilt and
>schmidt are all-time bests at their positions. bednerick is
>the greatest eagle of all time, and to not have an eagle on
>the list would be ludicrous.
>
>truth be told, i blanked on smokin' joe. do i want to put
>him in over parent? well, the flyers are a huge part of
>philly, but of course so too is the fight game. i could go
>either way. doc definitely gets left off, though--his best
>years weren't in philly, and i don't feel comfortable
>bumping a flyer or a fighter to include him. philly's mount
>rushmore should be about more than the guys on it--it should
>represent the culture of the city.

I went with vermeil though. I could've picked any of the buddy ryan eagles, but they would have to go as a unit.

Schmidt was a tough call. HOF third baseman (possibly the best ever) and I never got the feeling that he was beloved here until AFTER he retired. His relationship is the same as the one we have with mcnaab. Best player on championship caliber team unable to get over the hump who ends up being a lightning rod for the fans until he does. My gramps called schmidt overrated until he made the HOF. LOL

I couldn't think of a flyer (I always think of the cup teams as units) and I damn sure wasn't going to pick that druken fool in charge now.

He could be on my rushmore of sports for target practice.

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33. "regardless"
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you have to respect schmidt. i don't think it's about being beloved, i think it's about who brought the most to the city.

and i hate dick vermeil, so there's no way he's getting ahead of bednerick. and, yes, clarke forfeited his spot about 5-10 years ago.

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34. "Doc did bring y'all a title"
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(the last one y'all will get for a while...sorry man, I had to do it..lol)

but he reps well for philly....I understand putting Joe ahead of him though....the definition of the Philly fighter...

  

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36. "who would i bump?"
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i love Doc--not as much as some, but still. He's probably number Five, but he can't get into the top four. Everyone else we're talking about also brought Philly at least one title, anyway.

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39. "gotta find a bigger mountain I guess n/m"
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54. "RE: Doc did bring y'all a title"
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>(the last one y'all will get for a while...sorry man, I had
>to do it..lol)
>
>but he reps well for philly....I understand putting Joe
>ahead of him though....the definition of the Philly
>fighter...

I would take Allen Iverson over Julius Erving. That might be considered sacrilege to some people but I don't care. He'll most likely play his entire career here (unless he gets shipped off somewhere once he's out of his prime), he revitalized a sagging Sixers franchise as much as Doc ever did (except Iverson consistently sells out a 20,000 seat arena while Doc's Sixers never filled the Spectrum) and he'll retire with all the career records the franchise holds, not to mention he embodies the underdog/Rocky-type spirit that this city prides itself on. And I know the first dissenting response to this will say Doc won a title, which is true, but keep in mind that Doc was the third best player on the team when they won. Doc having Moses and Toney would be like Iverson having Shaq and Ray Allen with a set of balls. So the ring issue does not elevate Doc over A.I. in my book.

But my Rushmore would be: Wilt, Schmidt, Concrete Charlie and Bobby Clarke (not the bitter old rummy GM rolling through South Jersey bars known as Bob Clarke, big difference....I can see the Parent argument though but for better or worse Clarkie was the captain and face of the Flyers during their heyday).

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56. "you mean"
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Concrete Charlie the okayplayer, right?

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57. "RE: you mean"
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>Concrete Charlie the okayplayer, right?

exactly.

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125. "RE: frazier over parent for sure"
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i didnt even read this dilemna before and i had it that way on my "mountain." sure parent has gotta get it over clarke or any other flyer and the flyers have seemingly become the number two squad in terms of interest in philly, but boxing used to be the biggest sport in america and apart from soccer the world. also frazier is from philly, that figures to me into consideration for concrete charlie (not me, the original outta penn) and the big dipper. in all honestly i would put bednarik on either way because of what he symbolizes and his success with the birds (2/3 nfl title teams featured him prominently, particularly the great 1960 squad) but wilt would not if he were not an overbrook product. he didnt play his whole nba career in philly nor did he win more titles than doc, in fact he appeared in the championship fewer times and had a lower winning percentage splitting time between the warriors and sixers despite, of course, being a much better player.

anyway, yeah, while parent is up there (wasnt he the mvp for BOTH stanley cup teams?) i gotta go with smokin joe, if he isnt on the mountain i dunno who is, as a figure out of philly he is the first to spring to mind for anyone over 30 years old in my experience and deservedly so.

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122. "RE: Philly"
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Schmidt- greatest phil of all time
Chamberlain- born, bred, champion, goat, period
Bednarik- bethlem, penn, two NFL titles with the birds
Frazier- smokin' joe is as philly as they come

Alternate:
Ashburn- Mr. Philly!
Parent- 2 cups and he didnt go on to be a cheesy ass gm
Erving- defined sixers hoops, won a title
Carl Lewis- ok, south jerz, but he ran enough in philly to qualify and is a better pick than mike powell.

this is a dope thread...

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35. "Erie, PA"
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Fred Biletnikof WR Raiders back in the 70s
Mark Stepnoski C Cowboys in the 90s
Eric Hicks DE for the Chiefs now
Tow Lawless Utility player for the Cardinals in the 80s
Dietrich Jells WR for Eagles and Patriots in the 90s

That's about it.

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37. "you forgot"
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pepperoni balls. the key to any good erie tailgate.

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38. "most definitely"
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I was just picking athletes. But if there is one thing Erie has it's good tailgate food and cheap beer.

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40. "Boston"
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Larry Bird
Bobby Orr
Ted Williams
Bill Russell (this is the one I'm not sure of, but I don't know who else is revered like those first three)

  

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42. "RE: Boston"
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>Larry Bird
>Bobby Orr
>Ted Williams
>Bill Russell (this is the one I'm not sure of, but I don't
>know who else is revered like those first three)

not sure? i aint from beantown but 11 rings c'mon....

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44. "it's not about # of rings though"
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it's about how much love you get from the town. Boston's a very whitebread, borderline racist town sometimes, and though the Celtics were dominant, people still cared more about hockey back then. Plus Russell was kinda aloof himself. So I dunno, I'd like to see how other Boston fans weigh in.

  

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59. "I was thinking"
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Definatly:
Larry Bird
Bobby Orr
Ted Williams

Then the first that came to mind was:
Ray Bourque (they throw a parade for him after he won the Stanley Cup for ANOTHER team)
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64. "RE: it's not about # of rings though"
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>it's about how much love you get from the town. Boston's a
>very whitebread, borderline racist town sometimes, and
>though the Celtics were dominant, people still cared more
>about hockey back then. Plus Russell was kinda aloof
>himself. So I dunno, I'd like to see how other Boston fans
>weigh in.

Ted Williams was aloof too. This is a racial issue and nothing more. But if Boston was going to have a Mt.Rushmore, they should definitely put Russell on there so that 40 years down the line some hopefully more progressive-thinking and rational Bostonians (crosses fingers) don't have to ask "what the fuck were they thinking?!?". I actually think Boston has the easiest four of any major city I can think of, as long as they don't fuck up on the Russell issue.

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73. "you're right"
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Russell belongs.

  

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80. "philly's not that hard either, really"
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basically, you have a three or four person controversy over the last spot, but the top 3 are set in stone.

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82. "Steve Carlton???"
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no love for Lefty??

I'd say Michael Jack Schmidt over him....but that fool Carlton was just a straight killer....I think I probably think so highly of him becuase he dominated the Dodgers....I sat behind home plate at Dodger stadium for a game he pitched in..that was pretty dope.

  

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84. "he's great"
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but the guys we're debating for philly are in a different class. wilt is the best center of all time. schmidt is the best third basemen of all time. bednerick is the greatest eagle of all time. frazier is a top 10 all time heavyweight. is lefty one of the 10 greatest pitchers of all time? he's unquestionably one of the, if not the, best lefty of all time, but i can think of 10 pitchers i'd rather have than him.

and the more this argument goes around, the more i think frazier has to be the fourth. he's just SO philadelphia.

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94. "Just for argument's sake, let's hear your 10"
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and if the name Nolan Ryan comes up, be ready to deal with me.

>but the guys we're debating for philly are in a different
>class. wilt is the best center of all time. schmidt is the
>best third basemen of all time. bednerick is the greatest
>eagle of all time. frazier is a top 10 all time
>heavyweight. is lefty one of the 10 greatest pitchers of
>all time? he's unquestionably one of the, if not the, best
>lefty of all time, but i can think of 10 pitchers i'd rather
>have than him.
>
>and the more this argument goes around, the more i think
>frazier has to be the fourth. he's just SO philadelphia.

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136. "nolan ryan, doc gooden..."
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now, i'm going to pick guys in their primes. their prime has to last more than season, obviously, but i'm not going to disqualify koufax because his prime wasn't as long as some others. and i'm not going to claim these are in order, either. okay, let me see here...

walter johnson
bob gibson
sandford koufax
christy matthewson
seaver
clemens
pedro
uhm, randy johnson...

so, i guess i give in--carleton is on my list. i'm not convinced that lefty isn't better than tom seaver, so i'm not going to sit here and argue that he isn't better than clemens, pedro, or randy johnson. i know my "check elias" method probably left a few guys out, but it doesn't matter--i'd bump pedro and randy off that list before lefty. so carleton's in.

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137. "If you're going to include guys like.........."
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.... Walter Johnson and Christy Mathewson, let me remind you that Cy Young won 511 games.

And what about Bob Feller? Warren Spahn? Juan Marichal?

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138. "eh..."
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right as I submitted the list i regretted not choosing cy young. my one beef about cy young is that all those wins tend to get peolpe to overrate him. if you look at any other stat, there have been better pitchers, walter johnson chief among them. but his numbers are still pretty good. yeah, cy young should be on there.

no on spahn. nice pitcher, but never overwhelmed anyone. he piled up wins but not the era. feller and marichal i don't know enough about--i'm really the wrong person to ask on this question.

>.... Walter Johnson and Christy Mathewson, let me remind you
>that Cy Young won 511 games.
>
>And what about Bob Feller? Warren Spahn? Juan Marichal?
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139. "Ted Williams said......"
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..... that Feller was the toughest guy he faced.

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142. "i did think about Feller"
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career stats:

266 162 3.25 1764BB 2581K

after losing 3 years to the war. so, yeah, i guess a good argument can be made for him.

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158. "RE: that indian staff was raw"
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feller is definitely an all time great in the class of carlton, he would have won 300 for sure if not for service and he was old school as shit. if heads dug in on him the way they do today, they would have been headless, he makes the rocket look like a punk in comparison (not pitching-wise, toughness I mean).

it's very hard to say who the top ten pitchers of all time are, i dont list cy young, mathewson, al spalding, lefty grove, and walter johnson, they are asterisked for playing a million years ago. Satchel Paige of course is another question mark. In the modern era, I would go Gibson, Koufax, Spahn, Feller, his teammate Early Wynn, Carlton, the Big Unit, Seaver, Clemens and Greg Maddux (he doesnt get his due as the last of the 300 game winners).

Great Yanks like Whitey Ford and Ron Guidry as well as Pedro, Dizzy Dean, Mariachal, Bob Lemon (another Tribesman) and Jim Palmer were the foremost among the other guys I had thought about on this list.

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195. "Russell absolutely has a spot."
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And realistically, Boston has the greatest list. The greatest hitter of all time, the Basketball Jesus, The greatest winner in team sports history and the greatest hockey player ever (and the only reason this is a debatable claim is that he got hurt...It's a not a large margin over Gretzky or Howe, but he was simply the best)

I think more interesting would be trying to think of a second tier Rushmore in Boston...there is much more room for debate, with the guys who aren't on the greatest of all time level.

Yaz
Bourque
Cousy
Auerbach (who would probably be in the top four in damn near any other city...greatest coach/exec in basketball history)

There are some active guys who will push for a spot on this list as well: Tom Brady, Richard Seymour, Paul Pierce, Nomar (even if he is traded), Pedro, Joe Thornton.

In a Special category...Guys who tragically died or were injured before their careers could play out, leaving us to wonder what could have been
Harry Agganis - a former Boston University football star from Lynn who was on his way to a great Sox career when he died at age 24. He is legendary here.
Len Bias - Believe me, people here still mark his passing and wonder what could have been
Reggie Lewis - He was going to be a great Celtic...a class guy who meant so much to the community.
Travis Roy - He was a freshman at BU in 1995 when he went into the boards headfirst trying to throw a body check. It was 11 seconds into his first shift. He has never walked since. Roy became a national story, and is a class guy all the way, who has taken his celebrity and done what he can with it, trying to help others who have suffered spinal cord injuries. While it's still tragic, he is someone who is more admirable than 99 % of the other athletes we've named here, and that counts for something.

And then the Fan Favorite Rushmore
Terry O'Reilly
Tommy Heinsohn
Varitek
Troy Brown

And the Insane Guy Rushmore
Jimmy Piersall
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156. "i went to Bill Russle night at the fleet center once"
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with my dad. i don't even know exactly why they were having it, but there was a huge turnout. Boston loves Russle, maybe not many of the younger fans know him for what he was, but i think anyone who was around for him loves him.
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41. "Columbus, Ohio"
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Jesse Owens
Woody Hayes
Archie Griffin
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45. "Baltimore"
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three are easy, the fourth is tough

Babe Ruth
Johnny Unitas
Cal Ripken, Jr.
Morgan Wooten

apologies to these guys: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/magazine/features/si50/states/maryland/greatest/


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49. "you forgot"
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Brooks Robinson and Eddie Murray.

  

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50. "also good choices"
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really i was thinking ray lewis. by the end of his career, he'll be there.

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85. "You have to switch the order, though."
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1a> John Unitas
1b> Cal Ripken
(He gets the nod over the Babe because he actually played his entire career for the O's)
2> Len Bias
3> Ray Lewis
(although anybody after Cal and "the Golden Arm" can be ranked in any order but, up to this point in history, no one will pass those two.)

And, Morgan Wooten is more of a DC coaching legend. In B-more the coaching legend is Bob Wade (Dunbar) in basketball and probably Augie Waibel (Poly) in football.

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193. "RE: You have to switch the order, though."
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Len Bias was a great flash of brilliance but I'd take Brooks Robinson over him cuz he played his whole career with the O's spanning 20 years or something being the cornerstone of a couple world series.

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58. "St. Louis"
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Stan Musial
Marshall Faulk
Jackie Joyner Kersey
Bob Gibson

I also would have said:
Ozzie Smith
Jack Buck
Bernie Federko
Al MacInnis

Honorable Mention
Brett Hull (I might get some flak for this but he did so great while he was here, if we woulda won the cup while he was here I wouldn't be wondering if they gone retire his number when he retires. I'd know they would)

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72. "cudos on Jackie Joyner Kersey..n/m"
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74. "Houston, TX..."
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this just ran in my head...

Carl Lewis
J.R. Richard
Hakeem Olajuawan
Earl Campbell
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87. "St. Louis also"
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Leon & Michael Spinks
the first brothers to win gold medals in the same sport at the same Olympics and, as professional champions, the first brothers in boxing history to win world titles.

Bob Gibson
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110. "big up for JR"
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but most folks will claim Nolan Ryan since he's from Alvin, just a few minutes down 288 from Houston pitched for the astros in the 80s and there are those seven no hitters...
(mike scott might get a nod or even jose cruz also)

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104. "Wow. St. Louis has a helluva list."
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Not too many fuxing with that list, yo. Big ups to St Louis.

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109. "I'd figure there would be more baseball"
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Y'all root for Hockey, but not nearly as much as Baseball.

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133. "even though he only here for a few years..."
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you know they'd wanna put Big Mac on there. They already named a freaking highway after him. He's still probably the most popular athlete in St. Louis.

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170. "RE: even though he only here for a few years..."
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I think Pujols is a lil more popular than Big Mac right now, but in the long run, only time will tell.
Definately if his record woulda held for a lil bit longer, and it's nice to see that his highway is finally getting done, it's been what 5 years of horrible driving?

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171. "are you kidding?"
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McGwire is a household name. There are lot of non-baseball fans in St. Louis that don't even know who Albert Pujols is.

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173. "RE: are you kidding?"
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I haven't met anyone who hasn't heard of Pujols
The reason I say that is when Big Mac was here all he really did was get that record, Pujols might bring us a championship.

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60. "RE: Your city's Mount Rushmore of Sports"
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>Detroit:
>
>Isaiah Thomas
>Steve Yzerman
>Joe Louis
>Bo Schembechler

Man how can you leave off Barry?

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61. "RE: Seattle"
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Steve Largent
Edgar Martinez
Gary Payton
Lenny Wilkens

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65. "RE: Seattle"
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>Steve Largent
>Edgar Martinez
>Gary Payton
>Lenny Wilkens

there's a bunch more that could have made this list but fell off early or left town...griffey, big unit, kemp, buhner (a HUGE fan favorite)...i think don james deserves some mention too

  

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71. "Steve Prefontaine???"
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was he from Seattle...

but the list is tight...

cosign on Don James though.....for sure.

  

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93. "RE: Tha Dawgfather"
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Yall are right. There's no way he gets left off that Mt.

Griff, A-Rod, Unit, Kemp & others had their chance but none of them really deserve it.

  

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114. "Coos Bay, Oregon"
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If its a distance runner, when in doubt, guess Oregon. If they didn't grow up there, they ended up there eventually.

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172. "i would put steve emtman over don james"
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179. "RE: Really?"
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Steve was a beast indeed & while he was the best defensive player for the Huskies during his stint, we also had a lot of other offensive & defensive stars on that squad during his tenure. Plus his NFL career never really amounted to much unfortunatly due 2 injuries. FYI I saw him @ a Sonics game awhile back & he's still a giant.

But DJ on the other hand put the program on the map & you've seen whats happened since his departure. Steve aint a bad choice @ all but I dont think he deserves to bump off the Dawgfather. Just my 2 cents

  

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194. "i'm not a fan of the bitch-ass huskies"
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but i think they revere emtman more. They'll tell you that he was the best defensive player in college in the past 50 years (hell, he might have been). He was the key player on their "national championship" team.

of course they love don james, but the sanctions and his forced retirement took a little luster off him. The mediocre coaching tenure of don james-disciple lambright didn't help either.

  

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91. "toronto"
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johnny bower
dave keon
darryl sittler
doug gilmour

'cause there always has been, and always will be, only one sport in toronto.

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95. "Damaso Garcia n/m"
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117. "he'd be on the anti-rushmore list"
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along with george bell, david wells, and harold ballard. no, on second thought, it would just be ballard, ballard, ballard, and ballard.

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98. "Pretty good"
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I think the first three are shoo-ins. I like Gilmour, but what's the furthest the Leafs got with him? Conference finals vs. the Kings in '93? I love Gilmour's toughness and style of play but I'll never believe that he's as important to the Leafs for as long a time as Mats Sundin. If the Leafs win a Cup in the next few years, Mats has a spot for sure.

Other than that, the Jays have won two more titles in my lifetime than have the Buds. Joe Carter had a bunch of great years for the Jays, loved and was beloved by the city, and is synonymous with the two titles. I give him the nod over Gilmour.

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116. "you gotta be kidding me!"
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a dare say you're not from toronto. doug gilmour is by far and away the most beloved athlete of current memory (perhaps of all time) among torontonians. i can easily think of a half dozen other leafs that torontonians hold in more awe than joe carter (as good as he was and as much as he did for the city). i'd even argue that tie domi should be included over joe carter (this is a topic about revered sports figures, not about the accomplishments of various athletes). i guess you had to be in the city during the '92-'93 season to understand how much doug gilmour means to toronto. hell, the city went nuts last year when they traded for him and went nuts again when they announced they wouldn't sign him back this season. of the 4 guys on my list i'd say that dougie is easily first.

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147. "I dare say you're new here"
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153. "Wendel!!!"
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Wendel!!!
Wendel!!!

if you from Toronto and you knew the time, you can't honestly put Doug over Wendel.
don't get me wrong Doug was that guy, but he has Joe Carter syndrome, did alot but was here a relatively short time.
doug - 5 years, wendel - 11 years.
and wendel got rushmore status love when they honored him at the ACC.

Bower, Keon, Sittler can't really debate. Toronto is the Leafs and the Leafs are Toronto.


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Pinall Clemons (if there was a 5th face, it would be his bounty of teeth)
Joe Carter (the rings)
Doug Gilmour
Tony Fernandez / Dave Stieb (fernandez could be argued as one of the greatest jays ever... stieb, most consistent pitcher... both around for the early years of the franchise)
Mats (if the Leafs keep playin this)
Vince Carter (one day, dare i say)

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159. "Haha...I thought about Wendel"
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But that's pure sentimentality. He was a good captain, though.

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92. "Bull City is a one sport town."
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We'd have to build a hill out of mud with Coach K, Laettner, Hill and Hurley on it.

Well we did have a bunch of baseball players come through our minor league team so maybe we could go with:
Coach K
Ron Gant
Rodney Rogers (stretch)
and uh.... Little Brother

Mike-4
Dean-2
Rupp- Dead and racist

  

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101. "Terre Haute, IN"
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Larry Bird
Mordecai "3 finger" Brown
Anthony Thompson
aaaand
fuggit, we'll claim John Wooden since he coached at Indiana State for a year.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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103. "San Diego:"
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Ted Williams
JR Seau
Tony Gwynn
Marcus Allen



  

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181. "RE: what about the big redhead?"
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it's pretty tough to leave walton off of an sd list although your four are pretty solid. san diego doesnt get thought of as a major sports town but with jr and gwynn it is one of the few with the luxury of picking legit hometown athletes who played close to if not their entire careers in their city. there are a bunch of guys in the pro ranks today too obviously.

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115. "Charlotte, NC"
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I`d say Muggsy Bogues, Larry Johnson, and Alonzo Mourning, and then throw in Ric Flair for good measure. No one really captured the city`s imagination like those early to mid 90`s Hornets teams, and the Panthers really haven`t had enough charismatic superstars for long enough to make a lasting impact.

  

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119. "I've seen this guy"
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>and then throw in Ric Flair for good measure.

all over Charlotte...he's very mellow in person and is pretty approachable from what I gathered. I saw him at a HS football game just kicking it like a regular joe.

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168. "no doubt ...."
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Ric Flair, add Muggsy, Del Curry...you right about Panther players but in the future probably Peppers,Rucker, Jenkins, Stephen

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120. "Hartford Connecticut"
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Rick Mahorn
Marlin Starling
Marcus Camby
Ray Allen

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124. "Denver"
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Elway might take all four spots...

if not...
elway
patrick roy
alex english
terrel davis
(we have to head a fifth head for melo, but its obvisouly too early)




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126. "RE: about motown..."
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no gordie howe????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

what the fuck!?!

to me it would be howe, thomas, barry (i dunno all that much about Bo Schembechler though) and joe louis with al kaline knocking on the door. just for fun i would like to see mark fydrich's (sp) face on there, too...

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129. "What's really good with Oaktown?"
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I dunno who to cut out. I only lived out there a year, but I know the Raiders are clearly the beloved franchise, and so should get 2/4.

Chris Mullin
Tim Hardaway
Gary Payton
Jason Kidd
Jim Plunkett
John Madden
Howie Long
Marcus Allen
Bo Jackson(Damn...he was never an Oakland Raider, was he?)
Jose Canseco
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130. "RE: Oakland is pretty easy IMO"
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local cats, while fairly numerous, dont get burn, it has to be:

madden- his raiders are THE RAIDERS, period!

reggie jackson- the leader of five division and three world series champs and another one of the funkiest squads in sports history, in fact i am infinitely more fascinated by the 70s As than the 70s Raiders even from an objective standpoint.

rick barry- this cat was balls-out, he and thurmond are by far the best warriors ever despite the glamorization of run tmc by dismayed warriors fans of present day. barry was incredible and starred as an sf and oaktown warriors.

the fourth one is tough, plenty of As and Raiders could stake claim to it (too many to list) so I will pick my favorite and a cat who I think totally embodies the spirit of madden's rebel ass raiders: Mr Jack Tatum. Though he has somehow been robbed of a HOF spot, this cat was Ronnie Lott before Ronnie Lott. His bone cracking hits were what the Raiders were all about and more or less what landed them in SF court with the steelers.


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148. "In a few years..."
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it will be Leon Powe.

  

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166. "Madden's a lock"
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I'd say Rickey Henderson, mainly because in addition to his great career, he's actually from Oakland.

For that reason, I'd add Gary Payton too. Maybe not the greatest ever or anything, but he's always repped Oakland.

Reggie Jackson is suspect just because he left with a lot of animosity. I think the fact that he chose Yankee pinstripes for for his hall uni sort of disqualifies him.

Rick Barry is a good choice.

I don't think any of the Run-TMC era guys would make it: no championships. They just didn't win enough.

Tatum is a good choice, just because he epitomized so much of what the Raiders were all about. But still, you can't go without the obvious choice...

Al Davis.

So my four choices would be:

John Madden
Al Davis
Rickey Henderson
Gary Payton

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182. "RE: word"
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rickey is a damn good one, especially since he kept leaving and coming back; nice call there though i still think there is a case for jackson since the breakup of that A's team was not a pretty thing in general.

As for Davis, I refuse to put his name on any monument anywhere though I agree that he, almost inarguably more than madden, symbolizes raider football.

as for payton, maybe if he would have gone to college at cal or something i would throw him on there, but he just kept moving up the coast (OSU, Seattle, now down to LA). while kidd did just that, he was always kind of a richer kid, only stayed at cal for a cup of tea and also doesnt rep the same way gary does. to me it's gotta be either thurmond or barry in the basketball world, those guys won a title and on top of that they were flat out better than anyone who has come along since. barry was the big scorer on those teams and with all the talent we have today i have yet to see anyone who could pour it on like he and slightly later george gervin could outside of a few jordan years.

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143. "Akron, Ohio"
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Akron, Ohio..born and raised

Nate Thurmmond
Butch Reynolds
Gus Johnson
Thurmond Munson

Gus Johson and Nate Thurmond played on the same High School team. Reynolds had the 400 meter WR for years until Micheal Johnson broke it. He also has a few Olympic gold medals.

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145. "LeBron is already bigger than all of those guys..."
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combined.

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146. "RE: LeBron is already bigger than all of those guys..."
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But he hasn't accomplished what they have yet. Lebron will obvioulsy be on this list some day very soon.

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183. "RE: LeBron is already bigger than all of those guys..."
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for real, how can dude already be bigger than a long-standing world record holder, one of the major innovators of the big jam , a hall of fame center who is historically underrated and a hall of fame catcher who caught for some great yankees teams? (RIP to johnson and munson, both passed way too young).

if we live in a time where hype and bullshit makes you bigger than those four combined, i just dont know how much hope is left for pro sports as anything remotely legitimate. sure, one day he may be the bigget thing to come out of akron (and i have a feeling like we might be leaving some football greats off this list, none of whom spring to mind right now) but for now that is a very false statement.

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152. "Shreveport, LA"
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Terry Bradshaw
Joe Ferguson
Robert Parrish
Albert Belle

Hal Sutton or David Toms could go if golf were a sport. Karl Malone is from just up the road. Ferguson and Bradshaw were at the same high school at the same time.

Joe Dumars, Karl Malone, Bert Jones, and Doug Williams are from the area, too, but not Shreveport.

  

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154. "Montreal"
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(this list is hard)
Maurice Richard
Guy Lafleur
Jean Beliveau
Toe Blake

other possibles
-Howie Morenz (when your funeral is held at center ice... you are worthy)
-Jacques Plante
-Patrick Roy (before that infamous night)
-Gary Carter (he went into the hall as an Expo)

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157. "What's really good with PITTSBURGH?"
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I know, a lot of Steelers, but don't sleep on Roberto Clemente, nah mean?

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theurge1214
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160. "RE: What's really good with PITTSBURGH?"
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Lemieux
Clemente
Bradshaw (although there are several candidates from those teams, I just think Bradshaw is the one that comes to mind when you think of them)
Mazeroski/Stargell (Take your pick)

Fleury in about 20 years, after he wins the Vezina 15 years in a row. HAHA


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162. "I ain't from the 'Pitt, but I like this list. n/m"
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163. "DETROIT"
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Al Kaline
Gordie Howe
Barry Sanders
Isiah Thomas or Joe Dumars

Now that I think about it, Magic Johnson and Ty Cobb could be on this list.


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184. "RE: gotta be stargell!"
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mazeroski was a damn good second basemen but he was nowhere near what willie stargell was to the pirates. connie hawkins would be on the list if the aba stuck around longer and i am not sure that some pitt products (ie dan marino) might not deserve a look. still, its tough to argue against clemente, stargell, bradshaw and mario although chuck noel and jack lambert would get at least consideration in my book.

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188. "RE: gotta be stargell!"
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I agree, Stargell was much more to the team and the city but I put Maz up there just for the 9th inning walkoff homer in game 7 of the 1960's World Series. He was a good player, but if he hadn't hit that homer it would have only been Stargell on this list. STicking to 4 is hard, and I considered Noel and Lambert, but you can only list four even though I really listed 5. I'm not sure if I would list players who were just born in Pittsburgh, maybe if it was Iowa City or something you have to list players born there because you had no really great athletes who played there, but pitt had so many great athletes who played there I don't think players born there really should be considered.


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198. "RE: yeah, its a hard one"
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there is so much football history there and then on top of that baseball and hoop are no slouch either. sure maz had that walkoff but stargell had so many shots around the league its ridiculous, he still owns longest homer records in a lot of parks and some he will hold forever since they are no longer used or imploded. maz's induction to the hall by the vets committee is forcing people to reevaluate the process, while stargell was probably a first or second ballot inductee.

i like how in philly and san diego we can pick guys from the city who also played there, i dont see that too much with pitt oddly enough. i agree that steelers, pirates and pens definitely belong on there over the likes of marino and other cats who were just born there though.

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174. "RE: Your city's Mount Rushmore of Sports"
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San Francisco:
Joe Montana
Jerry Rice
Barry Bonds
Willie Mays

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189. "Wilmington, DE"
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1) Judy Johnson (only Delawaren in MLB Hall of Fame, star of Negro leagues in 30s)
2) Tubby Raymond (284 Wins in 34 years at U of DE, 3 National Championships)

Our hill is small... we only get 2. If I have to put a third up there, I'd have to say Porky Oliver, 8-time PGA tour winner, runner up at the '53 Masters.

Randy White, former Cowboy, is from Wilmington, but he doesn't really rep the area like the others.

  

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200. "For Philly 80s babies its"
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Barkley
Cunningham
Iverson
McNabb

That's 4 MVP's between them. Maybe 5 if McNabb ever gets one.

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204. "stockton, ca"
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von hayes
mike mcfarlane
eddie guardado
webster slaughter

that's all i can think of, i was torn between mcfarlane and ed sprague

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