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morpheme
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"latinos in baseball..."


  

          

get paid out the ass...still not makin the wheaties boxes as the face of america...altho techinically they are not {dominica & whatnot}...america's favorite pasttime is eerily beginnin to contradict itself

u're payin that a-rod guy a quarter of a BILLION dollars...but i don't know what he looks like???...{thanks People}...no sosa cola???...whaddap w/that

see???...they did it to the Carolina Coons...now they've come for the Westside Wetbacks


{i post it UP...watch it FALL}


sister sisters
i know u're watching me
there are alot of {games} reachin for u constantly
when u think u're grown
u enter the unknown
baby
check...yo'self
brace...yo'self
protect...yo'self
face...yo'self

~mayfield


~as told to me~
kameryn: why'd joi spank me???
mother: because u'd said somethin u shouldn't have...that's not a nice thing to say...u can't say things like that to ppl
kameryn: she shouldn't have hit me...i called her a two dollar HOLE...not HOE*

*courtesy of "kingdom come"


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Subject Author Message Date ID
Westside Wetbacks..
May 04th 2001
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i'm goin to hell in chanel...
May 04th 2001
2
A-Rod
May 04th 2001
3
RE: A-Rod
May 04th 2001
5
i certainly can LeftMarxDaSpot...
May 04th 2001
10
i don't watch sports...
May 04th 2001
8
      RE: i don't watch sports...
May 04th 2001
11
           i'll be DAMNED...
May 04th 2001
16
We speak with our bats and pitches!!!
May 04th 2001
4
RE: We speak with our bats and pitches!!!
May 04th 2001
6
Put Pudge on a wheaties box
May 04th 2001
7
RE: Put Pudge on a wheaties box
May 04th 2001
9
so???
May 04th 2001
12
RE: so???
May 04th 2001
14
i see ur point...
May 04th 2001
17
      RE: i see ur point...
May 04th 2001
18
Latin Players...
May 04th 2001
20
in Korea
May 04th 2001
13
      hes bigger than a sports icon
May 04th 2001
24
He was
May 04th 2001
15
      Pudge's knees...
May 04th 2001
21
           what?
May 04th 2001
22
                RE: what?
May 04th 2001
23
Here's the truth...
May 04th 2001
19
A post of more depth
May 04th 2001
25
thanks miel...
May 05th 2001
26
      umm....really
May 05th 2001
27
           RE: umm....really
May 05th 2001
28

Wise_Is_The_Name
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1. "Westside Wetbacks.."
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..hell awaits.

"I'm From The DC Area, Greater Metropolitan/Where The Brahds Is Known For Rockin' Suco's And D*ck-Swallowin'/Never Had A Chick Like That 'Cause I Was A Crab/Type Of N*gga Who Had To Damn Near Beg Just To Stab/Ya'll Know Me, Ain't Sh*t Good In The Heights/I Live On Getaway Streets, N*ggas Shootin' At Night/Same Hood Where The Pipe Heads Rob You For Change/Same Hood Where A Clinton Bamma Get Robbed Off His Range/Same Spot Where I Caugt A Beef With The P.G. Pigs/Same Hood Where A Bag Of Choke Is Some Dirt And Some Twigs/But I Love My Hometown, Marlow Heights Like This/We Drink Black N*gga Bottles, We Don't F*ck With No Cris'" - ThunderGod Official Basement Freestyles Vol. 1 coming this year.


"I possess the power cosmic, like a herald of Galactus/When I propel my thoughts, I use effects of the magnus/ESP, Three Times Dope like EST/I snatched the matrix out the chest of Optimus, rappers ain't stoppin' us/I deal with life in a righteous order/ThunderGod, eldest brother to Omega Manslaughter/I split rocks, give city blocks aftershocks/I bloody whole crews with my ill mic mechanics/Asiatic Warriors, make the devil panic/I slam crab ass rappers to the pavement, much to their amazement/Wasting time recording demos in the basement/Don't make me smack you, train my rhymes to attack you/Welcome you with my fists like Mr. Rourke and Tattoo/Ample is my flow, I'm inventive/When I rock the microphone, I use incentive/On some ill Colin Fergueson/Cold Blooded devil murderin'/ThunderGod, Power God's (P.G. County) fuckin' mic champion"-One of my better verses. MP3's of all the old classics coming soon.

  

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morpheme
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2. "i'm goin to hell in chanel..."
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now address thine issue!!!



sister sisters
i know u're watching me
there are alot of {games} reachin for u constantly
when u think u're grown
u enter the unknown
baby
check...yo'self
brace...yo'self
protect...yo'self
face...yo'self

~mayfield


~as told to me~
kameryn: why'd joi spank me???
mother: because u'd said somethin u shouldn't have...that's not a nice thing to say...u can't say things like that to ppl
kameryn: she shouldn't have hit me...i called her a two dollar HOLE...not HOE*

*courtesy of "kingdom come"


_____________
Kamikaze Genes
____________♌♀
goddess; small g.

  

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DonKnutts
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3. "A-Rod"
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When A-Rod signed his record contract, he was the top sports story on every news report i watched. He made the cover of non-sports mags like Esquire and GQ... I think 9 out of 10 baseball fans can tell you what the man looks like. You don't think MLB is playing up his pretty boy image? Please.

As for Sosa, we all know that in '99, most of the white media was secretly (and not-so-secretly) pulling for Mark "Andro" McGwire to pull it out. However, people were jocking Sosa a lot too, and he got a lot of press from everywhere.

Also, the game's most dominant pitcher is a Dominican -- Pedro Martinez, and I don't think he suffers from a lack of press coverage.

So what was your initial point exactly? Because Latino players aren't on Wheaties boxes, there's some MLB conspiracy?

The language barrier is a factor to remember also... Rey Ordonnez has been the Mets shortstop for a minute, but he never conducted interviews in English until this season. And we've yet to hear El Duque speak in English. So that is hurts their chances at more exposure.

  

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LeftMarxDaSpot
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5. "RE: A-Rod"
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Morpheme, I'm really not getting your point, what are you trying to say. Yeah, and ummm, can you please explain the "Carolina Coons, and West Side Wetbacks" comment Morpheme?

Peace,
P.

  

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morpheme
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10. "i certainly can LeftMarxDaSpot..."
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blk folk got underdog'd in baseball for decades {the whole --- of the negro leagues...josh gibson's pratical OMITTANCE frum the sport once it was integrated & henceforth}

the derogatory "teams" were more a slap at america's/baseball's racism...blk folk had it...then became "undeniable" via integration

now apparently it's the latinos turn

that's how i see it...conspiracy theory #5024


sister sisters
i know u're watching me
there are alot of {games} reachin for u constantly
when u think u're grown
u enter the unknown
baby
check...yo'self
brace...yo'self
protect...yo'self
face...yo'self

~mayfield


~as told to me~
kameryn: why'd joi spank me???
mother: because u'd said somethin u shouldn't have...that's not a nice thing to say...u can't say things like that to ppl
kameryn: she shouldn't have hit me...i called her a two dollar HOLE...not HOE*

*courtesy of "kingdom come"


_____________
Kamikaze Genes
____________♌♀
goddess; small g.

  

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morpheme
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8. "i don't watch sports..."
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not WATCH them watch them & CERTAINLY not baseball...but u ARE made aware of who ur heroes are SUPPOSED to be...this isn't about major league baseball...this is about marketin...hence the references to wheaties {a marketable item} & sosa cola {yet another marketable item!!!}

u say what u want about the man bein on sports mags: he's supposed to be on sports mags...& a couple of fashion mags???...this man is gettin paid a quarter of a billion dollars...the most ANY american player has been contracted for {way more than KG} & i don't know who/what he's about???

c'mon man...that's ludicrous

now i am not a sports afficionada but i know more than ur average "i'll go to blockbuster rather than watch that junk" bear...but no one speaks of him...not the way they do the "others"...& that's wild...u only heard of sosa cuz he was up "against" mcgwire

do u understand my point now???






sister sisters
i know u're watching me
there are alot of {games} reachin for u constantly
when u think u're grown
u enter the unknown
baby
check...yo'self
brace...yo'self
protect...yo'self
face...yo'self

~mayfield


~as told to me~
kameryn: why'd joi spank me???
mother: because u'd said somethin u shouldn't have...that's not a nice thing to say...u can't say things like that to ppl
kameryn: she shouldn't have hit me...i called her a two dollar HOLE...not HOE*

*courtesy of "kingdom come"


_____________
Kamikaze Genes
____________♌♀
goddess; small g.

  

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DonKnutts
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11. "RE: i don't watch sports..."
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>not WATCH them watch them &
>CERTAINLY not baseball...but u ARE
>made aware of who ur
>heroes are SUPPOSED to be...this
>isn't about major league baseball...this
>is about marketin...hence the references
>to wheaties {a marketable item}
>& sosa cola {yet another
>marketable item!!!}

name a white baseball player that has a cola named after him? I'm sure people in sports marketing will tell you that baseball players are more difficult to market than NBA or NFL.

>u say what u want about
>the man bein on sports
>mags: he's supposed to be
>on sports mags...& a couple
>of fashion mags???...this man is
>gettin paid a quarter of
>a billion dollars...the most ANY
>american player has been contracted
>for {way more than KG}
>& i don't know who/what
>he's about???

again, who's fault is that? like i said, when he signed the contract, there was a lot of media coverage of the event and many newspaper articles about him.


>now i am not a sports
>afficionada but i know more
>than ur average "i'll go
>to blockbuster rather than watch
>that junk" bear...but no one
>speaks of him...not the way
>they do the "others".

name the "others"
i've read reports about the other Texas players being a little irritated at the relentless press coverage of A-Rod and the fact that reporters constantly were asking them questions about him.

>do u understand my point now???

nope

  

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16. "i'll be DAMNED..."
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if they shouldn't showcase examples of irony & cynicism in between lulls in innings...& until then...i'll refrain frum respoondin
but FYI...this is bigger than TEXAS...& the "others" are good ol general white folk


>>not WATCH them watch them &
>>CERTAINLY not baseball...but u ARE
>>made aware of who ur
>>heroes are SUPPOSED to be...this
>>isn't about major league baseball...this
>>is about marketin...hence the references
>>to wheaties {a marketable item}
>>& sosa cola {yet another
>>marketable item!!!}
>
>name a white baseball player that
>has a cola named after
>him? I'm sure people in
>sports marketing will tell you
>that baseball players are more
>difficult to market than NBA
>or NFL.
>
>>u say what u want about
>>the man bein on sports
>>mags: he's supposed to be
>>on sports mags...& a couple
>>of fashion mags???...this man is
>>gettin paid a quarter of
>>a billion dollars...the most ANY
>>american player has been contracted
>>for {way more than KG}
>>& i don't know who/what
>>he's about???
>
>again, who's fault is that? like
>i said, when he signed
>the contract, there was a
>lot of media coverage of
>the event and many newspaper
>articles about him.
>
>
>>now i am not a sports
>>afficionada but i know more
>>than ur average "i'll go
>>to blockbuster rather than watch
>>that junk" bear...but no one
>>speaks of him...not the way
>>they do the "others".
>
>name the "others"
>i've read reports about the other
>Texas players being a little
>irritated at the relentless press
>coverage of A-Rod and the
>fact that reporters constantly were
>asking them questions about him.
>
>
>>do u understand my point now???
>
>nope


sister sisters
i know u're watching me
there are alot of {games} reachin for u constantly
when u think u're grown
u enter the unknown
baby
check...yo'self
brace...yo'self
protect...yo'self
face...yo'self

~mayfield


~as told to me~
kameryn: why'd joi spank me???
mother: because u'd said somethin u shouldn't have...that's not a nice thing to say...u can't say things like that to ppl
kameryn: she shouldn't have hit me...i called her a two dollar HOLE...not HOE*

*courtesy of "kingdom come"


_____________
Kamikaze Genes
____________♌♀
goddess; small g.

  

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los79
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4. "We speak with our bats and pitches!!!"
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there's no language barrier there...
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6. "RE: We speak with our bats and pitches!!!"
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Let'm know Los!!...even though you are a Red Sox fan.....but I can look past that for a moment...lol

Peace
P.

  

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7. "Put Pudge on a wheaties box"
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Ivan Rod will scare the kiddies.

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9. "RE: Put Pudge on a wheaties box"
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Ivan would scare them....but you know what though....in all actuality....FUCK A WHEATIES BOX!!! The majority of Latino players are national heroes back in their homelands

Pedro, Sammy, Vlad, Manny in Dominican Republic

Ivan, Juan, Bernie in Puerto Rico

Andres, Edgardo in Venezuela

etc..etc..

  

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12. "so???"
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LeftMarxDaSpot
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14. "RE: so???"
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I wouldn't compare the hardship cats like Josh Gibson (and a truck load of others) had to go through to that of the under exposure of Latino baseball players to the general American public. I definitely agree that for what Latinos have been giving to the game, they haven't recieved much attention outside of Sammy and a couple of otghers.......... but these same cats are national heroes in their home land.....which means that they have endorsements left and right, and recieve the adoration of millions in their country. I guess what I'm saying is that they don't care as much for blowing up in popularity in the U.S. as much as they care the perception people have of them back at home....

  

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morpheme
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17. "i see ur point..."
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but NO class of player will ever have it as bad as blk ball players did before jackie robinson got signed...& for the time immediately followin...HWVER...the underclassifyin i see based upon what i view as race is the same

thanks for ur input




sister sisters
i know u're watching me
there are alot of {games} reachin for u constantly
when u think u're grown
u enter the unknown
baby
check...yo'self
brace...yo'self
protect...yo'self
face...yo'self

~mayfield


~as told to me~
kameryn: why'd joi spank me???
mother: because u'd said somethin u shouldn't have...that's not a nice thing to say...u can't say things like that to ppl
kameryn: she shouldn't have hit me...i called her a two dollar HOLE...not HOE*

*courtesy of "kingdom come"


_____________
Kamikaze Genes
____________♌♀
goddess; small g.

  

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LeftMarxDaSpot
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18. "RE: i see ur point..."
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Oh, no doubt....I don't see that changing.

  

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Mil
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20. "Latin Players..."
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...make more money on endorsements in their homelands then most of their american counterparts in the US.

Why?

We actually LIKE baseball.

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13. "in Korea"
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Chan Ho Park is a HUGE HUGE sports icon.

  

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24. "hes bigger than a sports icon"
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he's a national icon
i saw people walking around seoul in full chan ho park/ dodger uniforms (down to the stir-ups)

ive never seen any sports hero that inspired anything close to that



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15. "He was"
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after he got MVP back in 98 (?).

When I am old and crusty and telling my grandkids stories about sports, there are going to be 4 things I can say for sure:
1. I saw the greatest basketball player ever.
2. I saw the greatest hockey player ever.
3. I saw the greatest golfer ever.
4. I saw the greatest catcher to ever play baseball.
I am sorry if you are a Fisk die-hard, but Pudge is a freak occurance. His style behind the plate is amazing and he can work a pitcher really well (if only the Rangers could pick up a few top starters, he would have them in a lethal position). And his speed is nuts...he came up playing with my cities minor league team (tulsa) and he would steal bases all the time, and with a right handed batter up, we would always try for third.
It will be interesting to see what happens in two years when his contract is out, because he should easily make "A-Rod" money, but the Rangers can not possibly work the salary cap to allow it. Probably the next highest paid player in baseball (or prosports, for that matter). I have to say that he is the best baseball player right now, because he has it all and does it all.

  

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21. "Pudge's knees..."
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...will keep him from making A-Rod money.

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22. "what?"
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he has had bad knee trouble, but he works like mad on conditioning in the off season and his legs are doing pretty damn well now. if not, he could always move to second ala biggio...he has the speed and body for it, but he is so good behind the plate...

  

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23. "RE: what?"
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good....lol....Pudge has revolutionized that position defensively

If you ask me, he is the best player in baseball

  

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Mil
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19. "Here's the truth..."
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...Latino players are not very marketable unless they speak perfect english. Alex Rodriguez speaks English better then he does Spanish... and he's a pretty boy on a par with the ladies with Derek Jeter. So he's gonna get his money...


The thing about Latino's in baseball is this... there arent many marketable players in major league baseball period. Its a fact... only people like Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa, Roger Clemens, Nolan Ryan, Tony Gwynn, & Jeter have really had a lot of success. Fact is I cant name one person in baseball who has a baseball commercial currently running (that doesnt have to DO with baseball) except for Piazza and Gwynn in that collect calls commercial.

But the language barrier is the biggest obstacle I believe (for hispanics who have LIVED in spanish speaking countries all their lives at least.)

For example, Trinidad was in many peoples minds the best welterweight for years before he fought De La Hoya (he had the belt longer, fought better opponents etc etc). But because Oscar's english is impeccable he was obviously better known, and this goes even beyond the pretty boy factor.

here's the truth... marketing is aimed at those with money. And those with money dont speak spanish or broken english. So the people that are marketed are those who the people with money can relate to/understand. Sammy Sosa is a humongous exception to this. It doesnt only hold true for Latino players... think of Russian hockey players, and Serbian basketball players, and Japanese baseball players.

But then again youre talking about baseball... and unless you're a real baseball fan, I wouldnt expect you to know what Juan Gonzalez looks like or what country Rolando Arrojo is from.

Even good-looking players like Roberto Alomar arent attractive spokespersons due to the fact that he doesnt speak english in the same way that the targeted consumers do.

(sorry this is all jumbled and probably out of sequence)

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25. "A post of more depth"
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"Latinos who aren't in baseball: What are they doing wrong?"

just kidding


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26. "thanks miel..."
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& my initial point was about rodriguez {which trickled down to all other spanish speakin ppls in sports}...because there's NOoO WAY u can tell me ANYONE gettin paid that much money shouldn't be a household name...even if it is thru haterism...50 million news highlights...a bic shick commercial...SOMETHIN

but always miel...u be knowin ur shit papichulo



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IF you make 250 million......how many endorsements do you need?

He's gonna be known primarily for his contract for ALOOOONG time. He's one of the most marketable players because of looks/language/media comfort/athletic ability etc.....but,(nickname) so far he hasn't turned on the full-scale marketing machine ala Sammy or Deion or Bo......and with his money doesn't REALLY have to.

  

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28. "RE: umm....really"
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> IF you make 250 million......how
>many endorsements do you need?

ask jordan

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