This is a double elimination tournament. There will be a winners bracket and a losers bracket. The matchups will be as follows: 1vs2, 3vs4, etc. I know I said the matchups were going to be 1vs16, 2vs15 etc..but quite simply, I LIED. I didnt want anyone pre planning for their first matchup. Since I knew what I was planning, the first person to inbox me, I will switch with them so i am as unaware of my opponent as everyone else.



RULES
1. No Trades
2. Must Post starting lineups for each game
3. Each gm/coach will inbox Bigpo their gameplan. I will post them once both are received. That way no opponent can get a heads up reading their opponents game plan. When i am one of the opponents, my competition and myself will inbox ThaTruth (i volunteered you because you have stepped to the for front assisting in making this thing go.)
4. Title of inbox should read like so: ex. bigpos gameplan vs ThaTruth or ThaTruths gameplan vs bigpo.
5. Each opponent will be allowed one rebuttal before it goes to the judges. (These will be posted not inboxed)Title ex. Bigpos Rebuttal
6. Judges will inbox me their decision for the game. Ex. Malachi votes SPM over Shawnedmeslanted (a reason will be preferred but it is not mandatory).
7. Decisions will be posted after all judges have inboxed. (dont want judge influencing judges).
8.Judges Decision is final..no matter how good you think your argument is.
9. PLEASE PLEASE reserve comments for the comments section.
Suggestions:
(Read if you like...will help if you do)
you should not assume a team should win based solely on their roster (that is for gm/coaches and judges). BBall is a game of matchups. Expression of gameplan is essential. Be detailed. Point out your strengths and weaknesses, how you intend guard against your weaknesses being exploited. Point out key matchups, mismatches, your opponents strengths and weaknesses, and how you plan to harness their strongpoints and attack their weaknesses. Explain how much run you intent to give players, who your key 6 man will be. who substitutes for who etc. once again BE DETAILED.

Finally its time to play!

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

determines W1 and L1

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

wtf

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C-Shaq
PF- Webber
SF-KG
SG-Carter
PG-Pete Maravich

Bench: Hornacek, porter , sprewell

do i gotta explain now?
or just list them?

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a 6'4" guard from Pepperdine University, Dennis Johnson!

a 6'3" guard from McNeese State University, Joe Dumars!

a 6'7" forward from St. John's University, Chris Mullin!

a 6'9" forward from Virginia Union University, Charles Oakley!

and the man in the middle, a 7'2" center from the University of Kansas, THE BIG DIPPER, WILT CHAMBERLAIN!!!

bencb - Penny Hardaway, Antonio McDyess, Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

Starting line ups:

Shaq vs. Wilt

CWebb vs. Charles Oakley

KG vs. Chris Mullin

Vince Carter vs. Joe Dumars

Pete Maravich vs. Dennis Johnson

My Bench: Sprewell, Horny, Terry Porter vs Penny, Cedric Maxwell and Antonio McDyess


IMO, This is an easy ass win for me, lmao.
As you can see I have the mismatch in EVERY position. I will now break down my advantages position by position. Please note all these assessments are of the players in their PRIME. So don�t let Cwebb playing with one leg or Vince Carter quitting on the raptors impact your judging.

Center:
Lmao, Wilt was the �big dipper��.but in an era of 6�7 white bols. Wilt has NEVER faced any one as dominating as Shaq. Whether it be physically or athletically. This would be a complete shock to Wilt as he is raped in the post due to the 50lb weight difference being used by the devastingly agile Shaq. If you watch any film on Wilt you know he played defense by primarly towering over his opponents with them long ass arms and waiting till the 6�7 white bol tried to hook shot. No no no, Shaq ain�t bullshittign with them moves man. Shaq will body him in the post, gaining position and using his hips/butt to bump Wilt off balance thus preventing him from getting his leverage to block. The result: gorilla dunks all in that nigga face. This will make Wilt work over time on defense and tire him out on the offensive end where Shaq will lean wit it , rock wit it. Using his weight to push wilt off the blocks

Power forward: This is pretty much no contest,lol. Who the fuck picks Charles Oakley as their ALL TIME starting power forward,lol. Anyway , there are better PFs in the NBA right Now then charles Oakley. Shit, chris webber RIGHT NOW is better then charles Oakley. Anyway , charles Oakley is a one trick pony, all he does is play marginal defense and rebounds a lil bit. You put a bum like that against a young and good chris webber with his full knees and u have a terrible mismatch. In his prime Cwebb was just as good a rebounder as Oakley, topping out at 13 a game, and has always blocked more shots. Let�s no even waste time talking bout who is better offensively. Chris could either take Oakley off the dribble or come out for the 15 footers. Also chris would post oak up and abuse him with the deadly pass. Cwebb is the best passing big man EVER. Not to mention the 20lb weight defense and the fact that in his prime CWebb was STRONGER then charles Oakley.

Small Forward: yet another sad mismatch,lmao. Niggas is wasting my time making me talk about niggas like chris mullin. Let�s not even go into the physical mismatch. We talking 5 inches and 20lbs man�.AND even wit the added height and weight KG is STILL much faster and more mobile. The one advantage mullin has is his shooting, but Kg is agile enough and quick enough with his feet to get out on the perimeter and body mullin. Also that 8 foot wing span would make Chris real hesitant about launching threes or jumpers. So basically you are left with a slow jump shooting nigga who will not be able to get his shot off, lmao. Down low, KG will abuse mullin on the offensive end , we already know how or why, dunks/post moves/too quick. Also mullin won�t even waste his time trying drive to the basket, shit will get sent into the 400 level. Also KG will clean the boards something terrible.

Shooting guard: Joe dumars will be used to try and play tight Defense on half man half amazing. Sadly that shit will not work. I know joe supposedly played tight D on Jordan, but Jordan still use to get off. So I�m not convinced on how effective dumars REALLY was. If you remember in the 2001 playoffs the sixers tried to guard carter with a player VERY similar to joe dumas, in build and game! His name is Eric Snow, same size�.same type of defensive approach, guess what happen in that series�.vince carter avg. damn near 40 points! That�s what happen nigga! Imo dumars main defensive prowess comes from guarding the jumper and sticking to a person along the perimeter, ala eric snow and to an extent bruce bowen. Thing is vince is so athletic he don�t NEED to shoot from the outside. He will abuse dumars in the paint using his 4 inch height advantage, alley oops all day on that gay ass nigga dumar. And when he get dunked on he will be standing there with that bland ass face he has during pistons games now. Fuck dude!

Point guard: wtf, dennis Johnson is a glorified role player man. Pistol pete is just too good offensively for him imo. Too good of a shooter, too good of a ball handler,too quick and fluid driving to the basket. It�s a terrible mismatch. I know piston ain�t really a Pg but with his handles and his career assist numbers I know he could handle the role. Shit dennis Johnson career high in assist is basically the same as maravich and he wasn�t even a point.


The bench: We got sprewell, who coming off the bench will be like Ben Gordon on sterioids!
Instant spark plug. I got hornacek and porter as the instant spot up shooters to drain three�s.

Game plan:
Defense: we got a lot length from our big men. KG allow will discourage niggas from driving to the basket , then you add shaq and it�s a wrap pretty much. Also our defensive and offensive rebounding will be fucking crazy. Kg will get his 20 boards and then webber and shaq or good for 10-12 easy EACH. Our guards are more offensive, but sprewell and hornacek can come in and provide their shut down D and slow the game down.

Offense: we got two options here. We can either get sick wit it and run the fastbreak ala steve nash. With pistol playing the steve nash role, shaq/webber playing the amare role , Kg playing the matrix role and vince playing the joe Johnson/Q role. Shit might be unstoppable.
If you somehow do stop it, we switch into a half court game. With pistol at point, passing the ball down low for shaq or webber and KG. Insert horncek and porter for vince or KG if you want and we can do the inside out game all fucking day, you double shaq or webber, wide open three for horny or porter or fucking pistol pete matter fact.

Niggas can�t win against me fam

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

refuted his entire gameplan with mine. Outside of Shaq, his entire starting lineup is made up of soft players that are known for coming up small in big games. I've got 3 people in my starting lineup that have won Finals MVP so you know they play big in big games. He's talking about Shaq posting up, Webber posting up, KG posting up, Vince posting up, that seems like a pretty crowded post to me. There's no way that can work.

Wilt beasted against more than "6�7 white bols". He played against some of the greatest big men of all-time including Russell, Thurmond, Bellamy, Reed, he even caught some of Kareem, beating him in the '72 Western conference Finals. Shaq's never faced anybody as big and strong and athletic as Wilt. Shaq couldn't handle Hakeem and Wilt was was bigger, stronger and just as athletic as him.

Then you got the C-Webb, a.k.a. The Cowardly Lion, looking for some courage. He's still shook from the infamous "timeout" call at Michigan and has been playing shook ever since. The only time his team went deep in the playoffs who was leading them? Mike Bibby. 'nuff said. Webber was somewhere hiding behind Vlade Divac. Oak would just whisper something to him in the pre-game warm-ups and he wouldn't even come out the locker room.

Then there's Kevin "The Scarecrow" Garnett, trying desparately to find a brain. Dawg, you're 7-feet with handles and quick as hell, why you always shooting fadeway jumpers in crunch time? I'm not worried about KG playing against Mullin because KG has never been smart enough to use his size to his advantage. He'll quickly get tired of chasing Mullin through all those picks.

Now we have the Tin Man, Vince Carter, still looking for some heart. He'll get bodied every time he even looks at the basket and by halftime he'll be faking an injury and run and hide in the lockerroom. He's not ready for our Bad Boys treatment.

Pistol Pete, is Dorthy, he'll just want to go home after DJ gets through with him. Maravich averaged like 5 turnovers a game in his prime and 9-time All-Defense performer like DJ would bump that up to about 10. Maravich won 5 playoff games in his ENTIRE CAREER. He was basically a 6'5" white A.I., a ball-hog that shot his team out of games, turned the ball over too much and was only concerned about his personal stats.

The hapless wizard SPM can do nothing to stop the slaughter from my squad. Its a WRAP.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

We're going to be physical with this team right off the bat. With the exception of Shaq, his entire starting lineup is full off guys that are known for playing soft and not liking a lot of contact so we're going going go right at them.

His PG Maravich is prone to turning over the ball at an extremely high rate and taking a lot of bad shots and we plan to exploit that. 9-time All-Defensive performer Dennis Johnson will hound him all over the court and frustrate him and render him ineffective like he did with Magic in the '84 Finals. Dumars will make Vince work for every shot shot like he did with MJ in the Pistons/Bulls wars and make Vince shoot fadeway jumpers. If Vince does attempt to drive to the basket Oak will hammer him one time and that will be a wrap.

In the post, Wilt is strong enough to make Shaq work for every thing he gets and will the defensive pressure applied by my guards it will hard for him to even get the ball. Oakley will make Chris Webber his personal bitch and have him washing his drawers. SPM will have slight mismatch offensively with KG going against Mullin but with Shaq and Webber clogging the lane there will be nowhere for him to post up rendering that advantage useless.

When we're on offense of course it all start with Wilt. If Shaq couldn't stop Olajuwon in the '95 Finals then he'd be no match for Wilt. Wilt will use and abuse him in the low post and high post and when Shaq gets in foul trouble SPM has nothing but guards on his bench. If they try to double Wilt he is an excellent passer out of the post and he can kick it out to Mullin or Dumars spotting up on the perimeter or just drop it off to Oak for a short jumper or an easy dunk. I'll also use Oak to set hard picks on KG and Vince to free up Mullin and Dumars for easy shots.

Wilt led the league in minutes played almost every season in his prime and NEVER fouled out of a game. If Oak gets in foul trouble from laying down the law I can come of the bench with McDyess and he gives me an athletic shot blocker alongside Wilt and makes getting a shot off inside even tougher or I could put him on KG if he starts giving Mullin the business.

That's pretty much a wrap, nobody on his bench even concerns me.
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"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

Having a stragey of HOPING my team is too soft imo is the most dumbest shit i ever heard of. for one i don't see how you can talk about softness.
when your starting center was the biggest baddest dude in the league , physically, but he struggled and go this ass wupped every year by a 6'9 ben wallace clone. you wanna talk about heart let's talk about a nigga who could bully on 6'7 white bols all day but took damn near 12 playoff runs to finally win a finals MVP in 72, a series in which he really didn't deserve it only avg. 14 points.
the rest of your guys who are going "outphysical" me ALL are small as shit compared to my guys. yea wilt is going push 300Lb shaq around?
shaq is already use to getting fouled on every possession and he still got more rings then wilt and MORE finals mvps. there is no way to get in shaqs head.

if oakley tries to bully webber i just pull him out to set up for the 15 footer facing the basket...any overly physical shit out there is an automatic foul, totally negating your most physical guy..oakley, basically rendering that nigga useless. all he can do is foul and gamble.

we know mullin ain't gon bully KG, you wanna talk about niggas who never came up big in big games i'll show you chris albino nigga mullin. chris mullin is basically christopher walken in baby shorts. powder never showed up in any big games, never won shit in his life. he is the white abdul shariff raheem , fucking wack juice

vince carter is too big for joe dumars, datruth failed to realize that joe dumars played the young jordan and not the jordan in his prime. dumb ass. when did the "piston/bulls" wars occur? when jordan was in his 3rd yr? dumars against a 96 jordan is fucking toast, carter is no 96 jordan but his prime is better then the jordan of the "piston/bulls" was, whatever the fuck that is.

as far as pete being a poor shooter, i don't know how u can say that when dennis johnson was a career 42% shooter. and imo that finals mvp johnson won in 79 don't mean shit cause he won it against the bullets when elvin hayes and wes unseld were past their prime and on their way out of the league.

also trying to bully us is stupid when u consider i got sprewell who is a ball of fire when his is mad and jeff hornacek one of the calmest players ever. horny got punched in the face one game and didn't swing back but continue to knock down threes

datruth is worried about my big men fouling out is retarded too
he only has 1 REAL inside threat, and i have 18 fouls to spread around behind my big men, also having sprewell and KG i can easily switch them too and put KG on the bench and hold KG for late in the game if webber or shaq get in early foul trouble.
also hoping my big men foul out is retarded when u consider his big men are HORRIBLE FT shooters: mcdyess at 67%, wilt at 51%, and oakley at 76%. and being that wilt is really the only guy that we have to purposely foul (mcdyess never showed up in big games or won shit in his life) u better be worried when he only shoots 51%.

also it is GOOD that wilt never fouled out in his career,lmao, less times shaq gotta go to the foul line dumb ass. also since wilt never fouled out at ALL in his entire career, it suggest that my theory of him using very little body on defense is true. he just towers over people and blocks wit his hand. with shaqs statute wilt will be forced to body shaq up and he will be out of his element


also hakeem bodied a YOUNG shaq, not shaq in his prime. once again datruth is a dumbass. also hakeem bodied shaq using primary excellenct post moves, NOT physically dominating him. wilt was not known for out smarting people, he was known for overpowering people...which won't work against shaq who is bigger then him and at LEAST as strong if not stronger then wilt. wilt didn't have the skill to outsmart people with post moves, russell proved that. if wilt couldn't back u down and over power u he folded. being that wilt was the same exact size as dikembe mutombo(7'1 250lbs)...i seriously doubt shaq would be quivering in his pants
fact of the matter is ALOT of niggas that shaq played were wilts size, the modern athlete is bigger and being that wilts primary game was power that poses a problem for wilt cause his power would be nothing new to shaq

you guards will have no chance to drive the lane
1)shaq and KG are there and if u do drive on carter or maravich i put in sprewell who has mad energy and sticks like glue on niggas
this basically forces ur guards to shoot from outside
u already know johnson is a 42% career shooter and a 17% 3PT shooter(yes i said 17%,look it up,lol) so ex him out.dumars was only slightly better at 46% fg and 38% 3pt. and penny shot worst then that
basically he has NO spot up shooters or sharp shooters. so when the lane clogs...shit is gon be REAL hard for his perimeter scorers. and all them bricks will be gobbled up by my frontcourt..mostly KG


also if u are worried about my post being over crowded u are retarded
two of my big men are excellent jump shooters, KG comes out and mullin has no chance to block it, webber comes out and slow ass oakley quickly gets into foul trouble chasing him around the top of the key
also webbers passing will be deadly as he posts oak up then does behind the back passes to a shaq in excellent position

fuck outta here bitch

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determines W2 and L2.

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

1. Maurice Cheeks
2. Michael Jordan
3. Billy Cunningham
4. Kevin McHale
5. Patrick Ewing

Bench - John Havlicek, David Cowens, Lafayette Lever

pg Magic
sg Reggie Miller
C Alonzo Mournin
PF Charles Barkley
SF Mark Aguirre

bench- King James, Elton Brand, Jermaine O'Neal

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

C - Awesome backstory, and teacher vs. pupil
in this case. Ewing can post Mourning up or negate some of his interior
defense by making him come out and defend Ewing's J. On D, I don't
think he'll compeltely shut Mourning out but he can neutralize him and make
him work hard for what little he might get. Ewing is also better on the
boards.

PF - Again, I think I have the upper hand. Barkley will probably assert
himself on offense, but he won't have his way in the paint and will be
shooting jumpshots most of the time. McHale, on the other hand, is
Barkley's admitted hardest assignment, and will be setting up shop in the
blocks like Juelz and Jimmy. I wanna go at Barkley early because I think
he could get into foul trouble quickly guarding McHale. Chuck obviously
is the better rebounder, but McHale was no slouch himself.

SF - Billy C holds every advantage except in scoring, where he is only
slightly bested by Aguirre. That and, Cunningham was the consumate
teammate and competitor, wheras his counterpart here had to have Bill
Laimbeer son his ass in front of the whole team before he started winning
anything. Yeah, I win here too. And amazingly, my best small forward's on
the bench anyway.

SG - Again, good backstory, and the result will be the same - W for
Mike, who is Reggie's superior accross the board, with the arguable
exception of single-handedly ruining New York championship hopes.

PG - Ok, L here. Magic's prolly too much for just Mo, and I might have
to rotate any combo of Cheeks/Lever/Jordan/Hondo/Cunningham on him. I
intend to press the backcourt with said personell and pressure Earv as
much as possible. So long as Mo makes him work for it, I'm fine.

Bench - Gaddamn I good. He's got green (all of 'em), undersized (Elton)
and unaccomplished (again, all of 'em) to spell his dudes, while I got
energy, leadership, and clutch. Really tho, this is one spot where
Cowens' size isn't a noticable liability, as he can spell the 4 or the 5
and give quality defense, rebounding, and maybe even a little scoring.
Hondo is better than any 2 or 3 on the opposition. And Fats will be
brought in if the game turns into an uptempo, Showtime Lakers affair. That
said, I wanna play a methodical, halfcourt game and grind it out with
this team, because I don't think they can stop me in the halfcourt wheras
I can definitely get stops against them.

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

first of all me having a green bench is a terrible argument-
J. O'neal- a 10 year vet...(came in league in 96)and is a 20 and 10 guy with 2.5 blocks per game. and does so in 35 minutes a game.(inside and outside game)

Brand- is a 7 year vet a perenial 20 and 10 guy(one year 25 and 10) and has averaged nearly nearly 3 blocks a game a few times. can run the floor, dont have to run the offense through him, has inside and out side game.

LEBRON- not in the league long(still 3 years) but he is a 30 6 and 6(nearly 31 7 and 7) guy. in very rare company with those stats. (jordan and oscar) and he can play the 1 to the 3.

GREEN Argument simply DOES NOT HOLD UP.

Undersized-is brand anymore undersized than cowens..(come on now come stronger than that)

Define un accomplished-2 rookie of the year (meaning instant impact)
and they are all all stars. (what are you talking about).

In the fourth i can run mourning c oneal pf barkley sf miller 2 magic pg- and if you move jordan to guard either the point or the 3 to get him off of miller...he is still in a mis matched situation...because i can counter by sending them to the post as well. He will put forth the effort but it is too much work for the your primary scorer.

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

C- Mourning vs Ewing-Both came from under the tutelage of John Thompson. Both were at some point top 3 centers in the league. Both have averaged over 20 and 10. Ewing is a slightly better scorer, Alonzo is a better defender. Mourning many times has been on the all defensive team and has also been Defensive Player of the Year. Ewing is Finesse, Mourning is more rugged. Playing with a volume shooter in MJ, with Ewing use to being the focal point of the offense, will be a difficult adjustment especially with the restraints that the defensive guru Mourning will have on him. Alonzo will be fine playing clean up ball, and hitting his 15 footer, and getting his easy dunks with the playmakers I have on this team. Alonzo also can run the floor with this team, which we will be doing.

Advantage-close but Mourning (do to the line ups)

PF-McHale vs Barkley- Mchale is a very good defender, also he had excellent post moves. Offensively Mchale will have a problem because even though he has a substantial height advantage Sir Charles is quicker, stronger, and has the leverage advantage. Therefore Mchale will be able to back Barkley down too deep in the post. On the defensive side of things Barkley will keep Kevin off balance running the floor, posting up, taking him outside (charles had range as well) and when Mchale comes out on him, blowing by him to the basket. Charles will also murder Mchale on the boards off of sheer will.
Advantage-Barkley

SF- Billy Cunningham vs Mark Aguirre- Billy Cunningham was a scorer, with athleticism, and very high jumping ability, and a lot of hustle. Aguirre is yet another prolific scorer (averaged over 25 numerous times, and over 29 as well) that could get his points within the flow of the game. (Aguirre, Harper, Ro Blackmon, and Tarpley all averaged in double figures in a season). Aguirre could score from three or could take the lighter jump happy �kangaroo kid� to the post. Mark would have a hard time defending Cunningham out on the floor, but Cunningham could not stop him from posting. So it�s a choice of strenghty finesse(Aguirre) vs a lengthy athleticism.(Cunningham)

Advantage- even-both have definite advantages.

SG- Jordan vs Miller- At first glance you may think this should not even be a discussion. But this is my only loss in one on one match up, and still will be a strong point for me.Let me get this out of the way�there is nothing that Reggie can do with Michael defensively. Mike has the advantage Defensively and Offensively, but not really. Let me explain. Michael is an excellent on the ball defender, but reggie will not be handling the ball. Rather he will be running MJ through picks, and double picks (by a strong rugged frountline) and Mike will have to chase him or its open Jumpers all day for a bonafied marksmen. So Millers defense will come on the offensive end by keeping mike in constant motion, and all miller needs is a second to shoot, and magic needs less than that to find him. Both are xxxxxxtremely clutch.

Advantage-Jordan in ability, but in this situation�.Draw

PG-Magic vs Maurice Cheeks- A legend vs a good defensive role player. Magic will make everyone on this team better and will see the floor and find openings with outstanding scorers all around him. He too will be able to post Cheeks alllll day long for a constant mismatch. He will also dominate Maurice on the boards, while keeping every player involved and happy. We will run this team all day and there will be nothing that they can do about it.
Avantage- Easily Magic.

Bench-I will have Lebron as my 6th man he can sub from the 1 to the 3. at the 1 more athletic magic�game plan exact same at the 2. more attacking mj from a different angle but mj has to respect his athleticism.(especially with magic running the break) 3. takes away every advantage Cunningham has over Aguirre. Sub brand for barkley and we don�t lose much in either catergory. Rebounds, hustle, scoring ability. Jermaine oneal for Alonzo.-don�t lose much there either. Both are shotblockers both have post game and outside range. Both can run the floor.
Bench avantage Bigpo(because nothing changes)

GP- we will not be double teaming. Our goal is to let mike beat us 1 on 5 while having to try to defend miller. But when we do send help there are no pure 3 point shooters for him to kick out to to constantly hurt us. Mike doesnt have the Athletic side kick that he needs that helped in his success. Billy cant run the offense, and cheeks is not a worthy enough scoring threat. Even havlicek was just a 43% shooter. We will run this team out of the gym, and they cant keep up with these horses that I have.And we hope he moves magic to guard pg or either the 3...mismatches will only get worse. we will save those explanations for when it happens.

bigpo 117 kingkahn-92 Jordan with 43...Magic player of the game with 22pts 14 assist 11 boards

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"Take the surprise out your voice Shaq."-The REAL CP3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2H5K-BUMS0

First off - in regards to calling your bench "green", well, relatively speaking they are. None has championship experience... hell, only one has any playoff experience. And yeah... Elton's smaller than Cowens.

If you decide not to double, you'll get murdered by Mike, McHale and my 3's. There's only one defensive stopper on your team, and if you intend to man up, then "defensive guru" Mourning is gonna be out on the perimeter defending Ewing and Big Red while McHale wrecks shop inside and my slashers get to the hole at will. BTW - McHale will get his from anywhere in the post, and has a history of giving Barkley absolute fits.

Saying we can't stop you from running is a horrible argument... I've got a versatile, athletic, high-energy defense that will be able to impose its will on the tempo of the game. If you're banking on making me take Michael off Reggie to guard Magic... that's fine... Reggie, meet all-time defensive great John Havlicek and get locked down on your way out the door... Reggie will be having fits all game. I wouldn't put too much stock into the screen thing either. Unlike many of the current NBA, everyone on my perimeter (save Fats) was a great defender, knew fundamentals, and could rotate effectively, which can negate sending Reggie through triple screens or whatever.

I'm not gassed off his bench at all - his big men have frankly never had to face anyone as good as McHale or Ewing in their primes in a big game, and can also be checked by Cowens who was no slouch himself. Hondo gives me some much needed versatility, as I'm confident in him guarding 1-3 on the opposition so I can put him on Reggie if Mike's guarding Magic or Magic if Mo can't handle him, etc. etc.

bigpo goes to loser bracket.(dayum bumped in the first round of my own ish)

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

W3 and L3

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

1. Oscar Robertson
2. Wes Unseld
3. Dave Bing
4. Nate Thurmond
5. Mitchell James Richmond

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

PG- Bob "The Houdini of the Hardwood" Cousy
SG- Earl "The Pearl" Monroe
SF- David "Skywalker" Thompson
PF- "The Hawk" Connie Hawkins
C- Bill "11 Rings" Russell




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"My game is not speed. My game is finesse...and sexy...and chocolate...and all that good stuff." Delonte West

http://www.delonte.com

Let's take a look at my starters...

PG- Bob Cousy
http://cache.nba.com/media/history/cousy_pass_350.jpg
Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (1971); NBA champion (1957, '59, '60, '61, '62, '63); NBA MVP (1957); 10-time All-NBA First Team (1952-61); All-NBA Second Team (1962, '63); 13-time All-Star; All-Star MVP (1954, '57); One of 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).
PPG- 18.4
RPG- 5.2
APG- 7.5

SG- Earl Monroe
http://www.hickoksports.com/images/monroe_earl.jpg
Nicknames: The Pearl, Black Magic, Thomas Edison
PPG- 18.8
RPG- 3.0
APG- 3.9


SF- David Thompson
http://www.nba.com/media/nuggets/david_thompson_dunk.jpg
-Only player in history named MVP of both the ABA and NBA All-Star Games
-Scored a career-high 73 points against Detroit (April 9, 1978)
-44 Inch Vertical
-Three-time First-Team All-America, three time All-ACC selection, and a two-time Associated Press National Player of the Year
PPG- 22.1
RPG- 3.8
APG- 3.2

PF- Connie Hawkins

http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/img/conniehawkins1.JPG
PPG- 16.5
RPG- 8.0
APG 4.1


C- Bill Russell
Elected to Naismith Basketball Basketball Hall of Fame (1975);
NBA champion (1957, '59, '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '68, '69);
NBA MVP (1958, '61, '62, '63, '65);
12-time NBA All-Star (1958-69);
One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996);
Olympic gold medalist (1956).
http://www.markreubengallery.com/bs_basketball/best_basketball/0576c.jpg
http://www.wnec.edu/communicator/news/2003/img/Bill_Russell.jpg
PPG- 15.1
RPG- 22.5
APG- 4.3
BPG- God only knows

Basic Philosophy vs. CeejForce Ceej�s squad to defend our versatillity and dictate the pace of the game

Strategy:
Obviously any team stepping on the court has to worry about Big O going to town on your squad. However, we present a number of different matchups for Oscar. Our main focus will be to force Oscar to defend various players on the defensive side of the court, including chasing Earl the Pearl around the court, defending Sam Jones� arsenal of shots and being muscled by David Thompson. On the offensive side of the court it would be tempting to go zone, however Russell is a strong advocate of man-to-man defense and we�ll trust his 11 championships.

Focusing on the starting lineups, the decision for Ceej to start Mitch Richmond is an interesting one. With Oscar and Bing already on the floor, you wouldn�t think he�d need another scorer like Mitch in the game.

By trying to force the pace early with Cousy/Pearl running the break with Hawkins, Skywalker and Amare (early sub) on the flanks, this should force Ceej�s high powered offense to play basket-to-basket and force Ceej to his deep bench in the second half.
With a deeper, bigger bench we will crash the boards hard with Kirilenko, Hawkins Stoudemire and oh-yeah BILL RUSSELL bruising Unseld, Thurmond and DeBusschere under the basket.

Key to the game for my squad: The deepness and versatility of the bench. Kirilenko can do it all on the court including throwing a different look at Oscar on switches. The craftiness for Sam Jones leaves Ceej with no answer defensively.

The versatility, especially of our front court leaves Ceej with very little options other than playing his best players and attempting to adapt to our style of play.
We have the foundation and leadership to overcome the talent of Oscar. The three members of the Celtics dynasty will use their experience as teammates to energize our squad to a solid victory over Coach Ceej.

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

Game plan

Offense
I will be running the triangle with Big O as the point forward, Dave Bing as the shooting guard and Wes Unseld as the force in the middle. My offensive sets will begin with getting the ball to Unseld off the bat and creating shots from the anticipated double team. Bing and Mitch will be available on the perimeter to hit the open shot when the double team comes. My bench guy for instant O will be Pierce, he will come in get instant touches to either drive the hole or create match up problems.

Defense
I will be coming out with manaman as so nasty nate/Russell, unseld/Hawkins, Richmond/Thompson, bing/cousy and Robertson/Monroe. I plan on having nasty nate front Russell in the post and drain the shot clock as much as possible and force a quick shot or pass out. Bill is gonna get his so the key is to limit the guys on perimeter from really hurting us. If need I will slide unseld over to double team the problem is the bench is thin on big man so we CANT get into foul trouble.

Minutes

Big O is gonna be my horse and play most of the game, I will steal some minutes for him by utilizing the TV timeouts and the ends of qtrs/halfs.
Bing will get about 30-35 mins depending on his production, when is getting a rest debusherre will come in to put the clamps on their shooters.
Wes and nasty nate have to play as much as possible so my plan is to spell one at a time but never at the same time.
Mitch will split time with pierce/debuscherre depending on what the needs of the team are, if mitch has his shot than debuscherre can come in for defensive help or paul can come in for offense.
Lastly my player coach will be used sparingly to give breather to big o, so he is basically my very own darko, he is the human victory cigar.

Prediction
I will slow the game down on both ends of the floor not taking a shot to early in the shot clock and making theo work to get his shot. I got more shooters and d so the grind it out game will end with a Ceej-a-Matic VICTORY.

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

W4 and L4

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

1. Nash
2. Dwade
3. Pippen
4. Rodman
5 Capdul Jabalcindor

Artest, Sampson, and Dale Ellis will come off the bench in this series.

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"though time has passed, im still the future" (c) black thought

1. Kidd
2. Tayshaun
3. Bird
4. Kemp
5. Willis Reed

I may do my plan of attack tonight, but probably tomorrow.

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bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

If you don't like something I said, feel free to change it. Just work your own corrections and improvements in as you like (I've always been interested in collaborative writing, but I never get a chance to do it really. Kind of disappointing...) Or just send it on to bigpo, whatever, but I figured I'd give you a chance to look at it first.

STARTING LINE-UP:

PG - Jason Kidd
SG - Tayshaun Prince
SF - Larry Legend
PF - Shawn Motherfucking (and I mean literally) Kemp
C - Willis Reed

BENCH:

SF/SG - Andrew Toney
PF/SF - Paul Silas
C - Vlade Divac

GAMEPLAN:

This team is all about the fast-break. Jason Kidd is one of the fastest PGs baseline to baseline in the history of the NBA and Shawn Kemp lives to run and dunk. Larry's slow white ass will inevitably be trailing, but that's a good thing because he'll be able to knock down 3s if, by some flaw in the natural world, Shawn Kemp is actually prevented from dunking. It's basically going to be NBA Jams in real life, with dunks or long-balls on nearly every possession.

With Artest and Rodman on the same team, it shouldn't be too hard to make them explode. Larry Legend is one of the most notorious shit-talkers in the history of the NBA, and you better believe he'll have an earful for those kids. Can you imagine what Artest would do when the blonde-mulleted, rat-stash-having, short-short wearing kid from French Lick tells him exactly how he's going to light him up and then lights him up? If that doesn't get Artest going, it's a simple matter to have Kidd slap him, as we all know he's quite fond of that.

Should these tactics fail to drive Rodman and Artest insane, we are going to send Basaglia a front-row ticket to the game, because that motherfucker just might be crazier than Artest and Rodman combined. With those three personalities in the same arena, somebody's going to snap, and I can't say for certain exactly who is getting punched in the ey by whom, just that it is going to happen.

MATCH-UP:

KIDD v. NASH:
The Disgraced Wife-Beater v. the White Savior of PHX. Nash can't play D, Jason is going to run him out of the building. And then slap him like the bitch he is.

TAYSHAUN v. WADE:
Has anybody else noticed that Dwyane spells "Dwayne" wrong? Anybody too dumb to spell their own name right isn't winning in a legends contest, pure and simple.

The last name "Prince" is kind of fruity, but at least it's spelled right.

LARRY LEGEND v. PIPPEN:
If we want to talk about bad dads, let's talk about Pippen. It's a testament to the ability of NBA stars to pull tail when a mealy-mouthed motherfucker with a stupid horse face can father as many illegitimate children as Pip did. The more interesting match-up might be Shawn Kemp's brood v. Pippen's brood, but we'd have to wait a few years for that one.

Either way, nobody can stop Larry legend. Nobody. Plus Pip is an overrated second wheel.

MO'FUCKING KEMP v. RODMAN:
Here, I put a video on youtube.com for everyone. And oh yeah, even Rodman's fucked up hairstyles can't keep Kemp's eyes from being locked on the rim. No amount of foul play or stupid headgames interfere with Kemp's singular mindset on dunking. That dude is mashing the ball every time he touches it.

Anyway, enjoy this video, it's a good one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pxQq1tUw6NM

REED v. ALCINDOR:
I don't know who the fuck Willis Reed is, but I know Kareem is bad. I won't lie, there's no arguing that Kareem is going to fucking handle this Willis character. What the hell was shelly thinking passing on Jabbar?

BENCH v. BENCH:
There is a man on this bench whose nickname is the Boston Strangler. I defy you to find a better NBA nickname than that, that's bad, and trust when Artest and Rodman and Basaglia all start flipping their lids, this mo'fucker will make good on that nickname. He's going to make Wayne Brady looking like the shucking and jiving house negro that he is.

Also, Vlade Divac is the KING of the guile. Let's not forget his part in driving Rodman and Artest insane. He's going to flop early and flop often, and then he's going to get up and complain to the referee about the call. These Eastern European cats spent decades getting free hand-outs and Vlade knows ALL about getting his. Count an extra 2 offensive fouls on any guy that Vlade guards for more than 3 minutes.

CONCLUSION:

There will be a brawl in this game because, honestly, Artest and Rodman are two of the craziest fuckers ever to step foot on court. Basaglia will be right behind their bench screaming his head off about the dumbest shit the world has ever heard, and his constant yells of "Bad Dad" directed at Bird are going to confuse the shit out of Pippen and Kemp until they're on their toes and ready to flip as well. The tension will be high, and then enter the kid from French Lick with the goofiest demeanor, the biggest mouth, and the nastiest game.

As far as the brawl goes, I have to admit Shawn probably has an edge. Artest is the definition of gully and Kareem is going fitting to let some loose with some serious black rage. Then again, Rodman might just put a fucking wedding dress on and go do push-ups in the locker room while it happens, and Jason Kidd is going to slap the shit out of that Canadian bitch Nash. I'm not sure how Tayshaun would hold up, but those long, skinny kids are always trouble in a brawl. Plus we know Vlade's got some dirty, streets of Eastern-Europe super sneaky thug shit somewhere in his bag. He'll murk Dwyane Wade and Dale Ellis by himself, and before anyone even realizes what he did he'll be half-way through his third cigarette. So nix the first sentence, bshelly's team is taking the scrap, because, seriously, Shawn's team has a dude that wore a wedding dress in public. Let's not forget that.

So after Shawn's team gets murked and the resultant ejections, both injury and suspension will prevent him from fielding five men. bshelly's team wins on a technicality through good street-fighting and leveler heads getting lighter suspensions by not acting like insane motherfuckers in the post-game press conference.

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bshelly

"You (Fisher) could get fired, Les Snead could get fired, Kevin Demoff could get fired, but I will always be Eric Dickerson.” (c) The God

Firts off, we always love locker room material...So My asst coaches and I went back through the archives and found this lovely post made by opposing coach bryan shelly.
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bshelly
Charter member
20881 posts Mon Mar-13-06 06:11 PM


84. "kareem is a bitch who wouldn't play D"
In response to Reply # 8 fuck him. i got plans.

bshelly

Not only did he disrespect the Cap once, but several times throughout the post:

kareem is a fucking ninny. i want no part of him.

bshelly


89. "fuck the lakers and fuck soft ass kareem"
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As many of you may or may not know Kareem was a laid back dude, but you didnt want topiss him off. Shelly broke that rule.

Center vs Center

I couldve gone to war with the Older kareem that shelly saw as a Laker...but I decided I needed to just bring out the Old School Kareem/Lew.


So anyways. Willis had a great career and was a "tru Warrior" but in one of his best years 1970 where he avgd 21ppg and 13.9 rebs, Kareem came in as a ROOKIE to the Milwaukee bucks and avgd 28.8 and 14.5 to go along with 4 assists. Willis avgd 2 assists.

Keep in mind in head to head. Kareem is a rookie, so this wasnt even his peak. But then size wise, Kareem (already the leagues most consistent low post scorer ever had 5 inches of height on Willis. And then we still havent gotten into the development of his sky hook yet. Willis was a good talent who played hard and made the most of his abilities. Kareem was a next world type of talent. At the time he was NYC's most fabled player, and later became one of the greatest college centers ever at UCLA, and ALWAYS lived up to all the hype he got.

Having Kareem matched up against willis allows me to have a huge advantage strategy wise. I will just dump it inside, post/repost. If Shelly doesnt double team i score over the top. If he does double team, I pass (dont forget kareems assist numbers for a C) out for an open jumper from Nash at 3, Wade @0 footer, Or Pippen for a 20 footer. And I have worm waiting on the offensive glass for any rebounds that come off.


pf vs pf-
Now this is a bit trickier...Both kemp and Worm matched up in real life during their careers. As Athletic as Kemp was, he was sometimes soft/lacking heart, and having a guy like rodman there to constantly be in his head will take him out of his game. If im not mistaken, by Kemp's peak years he already had multiple children out of wedlock, Trust the worm would be there to remind him. Kemp my try to call worm a "faggot" but the beauty of worm is he could give a fuck what you call him. And if theres one guy whos athleticism/heart could matchup with Kemp, it was Rodman. i dont think anyone can deny what an incredible athlete Worm was. He was strong enough to battle with kemp inside, and agile enough to challenge his ugly jumpshot.
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sf vs sf-Larry Bird vs Pippen. This matchup I will focus more on the defensive end because Bird was no doubt an offensive juggernaut. They never really faced in both of their primes, but If theres one dude who could contain Bird in the NBA of that era it would be Pippen. Pippen had teh athleticism and long arms to frustrate bird and challenge his jumpshot. Inside, he was just as strong, and definitely a smart player. The only thing id tell pipp was to watch for headfakes and not to get caught up in foul trouble. On the other end of the floor Pippen would be to quick for bird. At times I would have Pippen handle the ball so that bird could chase him around and this would help wear out Bird's legs.


sg vs sg-D. Wade vs Tayshaun Prince. This is the matchup we have the privilege of seeing. I dont know what coach Shelly was thinking. maybe he thought I had Kobe instead of Wade. BUt wade always frustrates tayshaun. In a matchup earlier this year, Tay even questioned why flip saunders left him on wade when it obviously wasnt working (ask Pistons fan JBoogs). Wade is too explosive for Tay and his change of direction breaks Tay's stilty legs. On defense They will try and post Tay up..but hey if you have bird, reed and kemp and you settle for a Tay post up, Ill take it everytime.


pg vs pg-Now this was a matchup i contemplated, I almost started Ron Ron and let wade play pg. for this game....because of Nash's perceived defensive deficiencies, but then i was like nah. Kidd is gonna create for his team, but he is not a scorer. Im sure shelly will try to refer to this recent nets/suns game, but throughout their careers, they have been pretty evenly matched. If kidd beats any of my guys, I have the best defenders PIPPEN, Rodman and 11 time all defensive team KAreem to Come ove rto help. IMO nash is not the worst defender you can have, He is smart and knows where to push his man. It just so happens that the last 2 teams he has played for havent had teh best defensive philosophy (see suns when nashis oput or dallas when nash left). Cats like steve francis and marbury get burned by other pgs all the time too. On offense, nash is gonna create havoc by driving to the hoop and finding people. Kidd is a good defender, but he cant stay in front of nash all the time. Hey if Nash has any problems, I put Wade in at PG, Pippen at Sf and Artest in at SG. And we grind it out

At some point I will have Dale ellis in, when Nash breaks down the D, Dale one of the best shooters ever will be there to hit the shot.

Or ill have him on the opposite elbow as cap.

Have Rodman set a nice pick and cap crosscourt a pass to the opposite elbow for a wide open 3...Swish!

Oh wait I still have Ralph Sampson, who before he was injured was a beast. In his prime years he avgds 20, 10 and 2 with about 2 blocks and despite his 7'4 height he had the ability to play 4. So if I want to run up the score, I put Sampson in at 4, and have him score over Kemp who isnt exactly known as a defensive juggernaut.

Overall, the game plan is to take what is given. I have some of teh smartest most unselfish players in basketball history. Yea Rodman and Artest might be crazy, but they know how to play unselfish basketball. Sometimes worm was too unselfish.

We're gonna start off in the half court game with Cap, but we will run at every oppurtunity because all 5 of our starters and even our bench guys can get out and run the floor.

Defensively we are one of the toughest teams, and nobody is gonna call this team soft.
We will make every shot hard to come by and we will also getin your heads.

Happy Ether day shelly

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

Firstly, no comment on what bshelly said about Kareem, except "don't watch me, watch tv" (c) Juelz.


>Keep in mind in head to head. Kareem is a rookie, so this
>wasnt even his peak. But then size wise, Kareem (already the
>leagues most consistent low post scorer ever had 5 inches of
>height on Willis. And then we still havent gotten into the
>development of his sky hook yet. Willis was a good talent who
>played hard and made the most of his abilities. Kareem was a
>next world type of talent. At the time he was NYC's most
>fabled player, and later became one of the greatest college
>centers ever at UCLA, and ALWAYS lived up to all the hype he
>got.

I just wanna say that I'm not certain those Kareem goggles are really above the belt when the street fight starts. I mean, I guess if Willis can bust him a good one in his eye he might make the things splinter and blind ol' boy, but he might also just fuck his hand up and have the blow glance off. Either way I'd say that silly goggles are NOT what's hot in the street, but whatever, I've already said Kareem is taking this match-up in a walk. I mean dude is in part responsible for Airplane!, that's pretty unfuckwittable.

>pf vs pf-
>Now this is a bit trickier...Both kemp and Worm matched up in
>real life during their careers. As Athletic as Kemp was, he
>was sometimes soft/lacking heart, and having a guy like rodman
>there to constantly be in his head will take him out of his
>game. If im not mistaken, by Kemp's peak years he already had
>multiple children out of wedlock, Trust the worm would be
>there to remind him. Kemp my try to call worm a "faggot" but
>the beauty of worm is he could give a fuck what you call him.
>And if theres one guy whos athleticism/heart could matchup
>with Kemp, it was Rodman. i dont think anyone can deny what an
>incredible athlete Worm was. He was strong enough to battle
>with kemp inside, and agile enough to challenge his ugly
>jumpshot.

Like I said, Shawn Kemp lives to do one thing, and one thing only, and that's dunk the basketball. To help fuel his hunger we intend to keep him away from any and all rims for at least a month prior to the match-up, meaning he's gonna be fiending to throw the ball through the hole come tip-off. Anybody getting in his way is in trouble.

Admittedly, this strategy might backfire as Kemp just starts eating a few pounds of ribs every day, doing tons of blow, and fathering 15-20 kids on the side, but we're willing to take our chances.

>sf vs sf-Larry Bird vs Pippen. This matchup I will focus more
>on the defensive end because Bird was no doubt an offensive
>juggernaut. They never really faced in both of their primes,
>but If theres one dude who could contain Bird in the NBA of
>that era it would be Pippen. Pippen had teh athleticism and
>long arms to frustrate bird and challenge his jumpshot.
>Inside, he was just as strong, and definitely a smart player.
>The only thing id tell pipp was to watch for headfakes and not
>to get caught up in foul trouble. On the other end of the
>floor Pippen would be to quick for bird. At times I would have
>Pippen handle the ball so that bird could chase him around and
>this would help wear out Bird's legs.

Larry Legend is unstoppable. If need be, we'll quietly ask the Sports Guy to sneak into the opposing locker room with his press pass and slip some laxative (or maybe worse) into Pip's drink, because even though it would mean throwing the Sports Guy's career and reputation away, I think it's safe to assume his man-crush on Bird and everything Boston would easily inspire him to do the deed all the same.

Not only would this save Bird from Pippen, it would save OKP from the stupid weekly Sports Guys posts. This is really a win-win all around.

>sg vs sg-D. Wade vs Tayshaun Prince. This is the matchup we
>have the privilege of seeing. I dont know what coach Shelly
>was thinking. maybe he thought I had Kobe instead of Wade. BUt
>wade always frustrates tayshaun. In a matchup earlier this
>year, Tay even questioned why flip saunders left him on wade
>when it obviously wasnt working (ask Pistons fan JBoogs). Wade
>is too explosive for Tay and his change of direction breaks
>Tay's stilty legs. On defense They will try and post Tay
>up..but hey if you have bird, reed and kemp and you settle for
>a Tay post up, Ill take it everytime.

"Long Arm of the Law" >>>>> "Flash" and I really like the Flash nickname.

Otherwise, no comment.

>pg vs pg-Now this was a matchup i contemplated, I almost
>started Ron Ron and let wade play pg. for this game....because
>of Nash's perceived defensive deficiencies, but then i was
>like nah. Kidd is gonna create for his team, but he is not a
>scorer. Im sure shelly will try to refer to this recent
>nets/suns game, but throughout their careers, they have been
>pretty evenly matched. If kidd beats any of my guys, I have
>the best defenders PIPPEN, Rodman and 11 time all defensive
>team KAreem to Come ove rto help. IMO nash is not the worst
>defender you can have, He is smart and knows where to push his
>man. It just so happens that the last 2 teams he has played
>for havent had teh best defensive philosophy (see suns when
>nashis oput or dallas when nash left). Cats like steve francis
>and marbury get burned by other pgs all the time too. On
>offense, nash is gonna create havoc by driving to the hoop and
>finding people. Kidd is a good defender, but he cant stay in
>front of nash all the time. Hey if Nash has any problems, I
>put Wade in at PG, Pippen at Sf and Artest in at SG. And we
>grind it out

Let's take a moment to remember a one-time All-Star, a multiple Finals competitor, a once hot-commodity in the NBA by the name of Kenyon Martin. Remember that guy? The guy with the big contract, shit game, shitty numbers, and an even shittier nickname (I mean, KMart?) that Denver is now stuck with? Yeah, Jason Kidd did that. You're welcome Denver.

>At some point I will have Dale ellis in, when Nash breaks down
>the D, Dale one of the best shooters ever will be there to hit
>the shot.

Unless the Rifleman brings his actual gun to the game, he's getting murked first thing. Vlade Divac, Paul Silas, or Tayshaun could all handle that kid. Non-issue.

>Oh wait I still have Ralph Sampson, who before he was injured
>was a beast. In his prime years he avgds 20, 10 and 2 with
>about 2 blocks and despite his 7'4 height he had the ability
>to play 4. So if I want to run up the score, I put Sampson in
>at 4, and have him score over Kemp who isnt exactly known as a
>defensive juggernaut.

Like I said, Vlade is obviously not above doing dirt. He's going for Sampson's knees first thing and we can all guess how that might turn out. Those things fucked themselves up, didn't even need any help really, imagine what they'll do with a little push in the wrong direction.

>Overall, the game plan is to take what is given. I have some
>of teh smartest most unselfish players in basketball history.
>Yea Rodman and Artest might be crazy, but they know how to
>play unselfish basketball. Sometimes worm was too unselfish.

It's true, the Worm was WAAAAY too unselfish when he gave us these:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119013/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168172/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211792/

I really wish he had kept them to himself. I really do. Has anyone else here seen "Cutaway"? I mean, MY GOD that movie sucks. It stars Stephen Baldwin people. The Worm couldn't even out-star-power the lowest of the lowly fucking Baldwins. Losing to a Baldwin = losing at life, man. Let's be real.

>Defensively we are one of the toughest teams, and nobody is
>gonna call this team soft.
>We will make every shot hard to come by and we will also getin
>your heads.

Wait, hold on, I'm gonna do it ... YOU'RE TEAM IS SOFT. That's right, the Boston Strangler, Vlade "The Big Dirty" Divac, Paul "Can't Hide the Bitchinyoo" Silas, Jason "Slap-Happy" Kidd, the Long Arm of the Law, Larry Legend, and Shawn Motherfuckin' Kemp will have no problems here. I recognize Artest is gully (I mean, he did choose #93 for the Souls of Mischief -- respect) but outside of Ron Ron and the Cap this team is getting lit the fuck up. Again, Rodman played second fiddle to Stephen Baldwin. I wish I could forget it, too, but those are the facts.

>Firstly, no comment on what bshelly said about Kareem, except
>"don't watch me, watch tv" (c) Juelz.
>
>
>>Keep in mind in head to head. Kareem is a rookie, so this
>>wasnt even his peak. But then size wise, Kareem (already the
>>leagues most consistent low post scorer ever had 5 inches of
>>height on Willis. And then we still havent gotten into the
>>development of his sky hook yet. Willis was a good talent
>who
>>played hard and made the most of his abilities. Kareem was a
>>next world type of talent. At the time he was NYC's most
>>fabled player, and later became one of the greatest college
>>centers ever at UCLA, and ALWAYS lived up to all the hype he
>>got.
>
>I just wanna say that I'm not certain those Kareem goggles are
>really above the belt when the street fight starts. I mean, I
>guess if Willis can bust him a good one in his eye he might
>make the things splinter and blind ol' boy, but he might also
>just fuck his hand up and have the blow glance off. Either
>way I'd say that silly goggles are NOT what's hot in the
>street, but whatever, I've already said Kareem is taking this
>match-up in a walk. I mean dude is in part responsible for
>Airplane!, that's pretty unfuckwittable.

^^^ I win
>
>>pf vs pf-
>>Now this is a bit trickier...Both kemp and Worm matched up
>in
>>real life during their careers. As Athletic as Kemp was, he
>>was sometimes soft/lacking heart, and having a guy like
>rodman
>>there to constantly be in his head will take him out of his
>>game. If im not mistaken, by Kemp's peak years he already
>had
>>multiple children out of wedlock, Trust the worm would be
>>there to remind him. Kemp my try to call worm a "faggot" but
>>the beauty of worm is he could give a fuck what you call
>him.
>>And if theres one guy whos athleticism/heart could matchup
>>with Kemp, it was Rodman. i dont think anyone can deny what
>an
>>incredible athlete Worm was. He was strong enough to battle
>>with kemp inside, and agile enough to challenge his ugly
>>jumpshot.
>
>Like I said, Shawn Kemp lives to do one thing, and one thing
>only, and that's dunk the basketball. To help fuel his hunger
>we intend to keep him away from any and all rims for at least
>a month prior to the match-up, meaning he's gonna be fiending
>to throw the ball through the hole come tip-off. Anybody
>getting in his way is in trouble.

^^^ you know damn well Rodman will find a way to stop Kemp. Now Kemp might get a dunk or 2 in, but after that, he will find a way to bite, dick gran, ass slap, undercut, on the low and frustrate the hell out of kemp. If it comes down to it, Rodman is gonna white a little blow on his elbow between the 1st and 2nd quarter then hit Kemp in the nose with that same elbow. Kemp will get a taste of that blow and not know what to do the rest of the game.
>
>Admittedly, this strategy might backfire as Kemp just starts
>eating a few pounds of ribs every day, doing tons of blow, and
>fathering 15-20 kids on the side, but we're willing to take
>our chances.

^^^took chance and lost due to elBLOW given by rodman


>>sf vs sf-Larry Bird vs Pippen. This matchup I will focus
>more
>>on the defensive end because Bird was no doubt an offensive
>>juggernaut. They never really faced in both of their primes,
>>but If theres one dude who could contain Bird in the NBA of
>>that era it would be Pippen. Pippen had teh athleticism and
>>long arms to frustrate bird and challenge his jumpshot.
>>Inside, he was just as strong, and definitely a smart
>player.
>>The only thing id tell pipp was to watch for headfakes and
>not
>>to get caught up in foul trouble. On the other end of the
>>floor Pippen would be to quick for bird. At times I would
>have
>>Pippen handle the ball so that bird could chase him around
>and
>>this would help wear out Bird's legs.
>
>Larry Legend is unstoppable. If need be, we'll quietly ask
>the Sports Guy to sneak into the opposing locker room with his
>press pass and slip some laxative (or maybe worse) into Pip's
>drink, because even though it would mean throwing the Sports
>Guy's career and reputation away, I think it's safe to assume
>his man-crush on Bird and everything Boston would easily
>inspire him to do the deed all the same.
>
>Not only would this save Bird from Pippen, it would save OKP
>from the stupid weekly Sports Guys posts. This is really a
>win-win all around.

^^^^^ Wrong Pippen is BLACK. Sportsguy and anyone trying to help BAD DAD WILL get murked by Basaglia and Scoop Jackson. If theres one white man in this world that scoop could easily handle, it would be Basaglia.
"Hey Sportsguy can I have your autograph?"- Basaglia
"sure kid, got a a pen?"-Sportsguy
::hands Sportsguy Black Pen:::"
"yes here's a BLACK PEN, cracka"- Basaglia ::looks into sportsguys eyes::
::sports guys head starts to spin from realization of all his years of cism and bad sports articles:::
*enter barry bonds*
:::barry bonds takes Black bat to side of sportsguys head:::
::sportsguys head explodes:::

^^^I win^^^
P.S. you wouldve poisoned the wrong guy because I had Pip disguised as Shock G in the Locker Room.

>

>>sg vs sg-D. Wade vs Tayshaun Prince. This is the matchup we
>>have the privilege of seeing. I dont know what coach Shelly
>>was thinking. maybe he thought I had Kobe instead of Wade.
>BUt
>>wade always frustrates tayshaun. In a matchup earlier this
>>year, Tay even questioned why flip saunders left him on wade
>>when it obviously wasnt working (ask Pistons fan JBoogs).
>Wade
>>is too explosive for Tay and his change of direction breaks
>>Tay's stilty legs. On defense They will try and post Tay
>>up..but hey if you have bird, reed and kemp and you settle
>for
>>a Tay post up, Ill take it everytime.
>
>"Long Arm of the Law" >>>>> "Flash" and I really like the
>Flash nickname.
^^^Owned as usual...ask bshelly why hes still guarding Dwade.
>
>Otherwise, no comment.
>
>>pg vs pg-Now this was a matchup i contemplated, I almost
>>started Ron Ron and let wade play pg. for this
>game....because
>>of Nash's perceived defensive deficiencies, but then i was
>>like nah. Kidd is gonna create for his team, but he is not a
>>scorer. Im sure shelly will try to refer to this recent
>>nets/suns game, but throughout their careers, they have been
>>pretty evenly matched. If kidd beats any of my guys, I have
>>the best defenders PIPPEN, Rodman and 11 time all defensive
>>team KAreem to Come ove rto help. IMO nash is not the worst
>>defender you can have, He is smart and knows where to push
>his
>>man. It just so happens that the last 2 teams he has played
>>for havent had teh best defensive philosophy (see suns when
>>nashis oput or dallas when nash left). Cats like steve
>francis
>>and marbury get burned by other pgs all the time too. On
>>offense, nash is gonna create havoc by driving to the hoop
>and
>>finding people. Kidd is a good defender, but he cant stay in
>>front of nash all the time. Hey if Nash has any problems, I
>>put Wade in at PG, Pippen at Sf and Artest in at SG. And we
>>grind it out
>
>Let's take a moment to remember a one-time All-Star, a
>multiple Finals competitor, a once hot-commodity in the NBA by
>the name of Kenyon Martin. Remember that guy? The guy with
>the big contract, shit game, shitty numbers, and an even
>shittier nickname (I mean, KMart?) that Denver is now stuck
>with? Yeah, Jason Kidd did that. You're welcome Denver.

^^^right because kmarts knee injuries have had nothing to do with his demise. Look at his numbers when hes healthy. And lets not forget what Steve nash has done to help make teamates in Phx better.

When was the last time Jaque Vaugn made a jumpshot as a result of a kidd pass?
yet Tim thomas can coem in and make more jumpshots than vaugn has all season.


>
>>At some point I will have Dale ellis in, when Nash breaks
>down
>>the D, Dale one of the best shooters ever will be there to
>hit
>>the shot.
>
>Unless the Rifleman brings his actual gun to the game, he's
>getting murked first thing. Vlade Divac, Paul Silas, or
>Tayshaun could all handle that kid. Non-issue.
>
>>Oh wait I still have Ralph Sampson, who before he was
>injured
>>was a beast. In his prime years he avgds 20, 10 and 2 with
>>about 2 blocks and despite his 7'4 height he had the ability
>>to play 4. So if I want to run up the score, I put Sampson
>in
>>at 4, and have him score over Kemp who isnt exactly known as
>a
>>defensive juggernaut.
>
>Like I said, Vlade is obviously not above doing dirt. He's
>going for Sampson's knees first thing and we can all guess how
>that might turn out. Those things fucked themselves up,
>didn't even need any help really, imagine what they'll do with
>a little push in the wrong direction.

^^wrong we took Vlade's cigarettes before the game and he couldnt function.
Plus we had Rodman and Pipps old buddy Toni kukoc come in and blame Vlade and the Serbs for the Yugoslavian civil war (which is a very sensitive subject to vlade) so he broke down crying. Nothing is below our team, sorry.

Also Ralph in his prime had no problems withhis knees.
>
>>Overall, the game plan is to take what is given. I have some
>>of teh smartest most unselfish players in basketball
>history.
>>Yea Rodman and Artest might be crazy, but they know how to
>>play unselfish basketball. Sometimes worm was too unselfish.
>
>It's true, the Worm was WAAAAY too unselfish when he gave us
>these:
>
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119013/
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168172/
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211792/
>
>I really wish he had kept them to himself. I really do. Has
>anyone else here seen "Cutaway"? I mean, MY GOD that movie
>sucks. It stars Stephen Baldwin people. The Worm couldn't
>even out-star-power the lowest of the lowly fucking Baldwins.
>Losing to a Baldwin = losing at life, man. Let's be real.
>
^^^when you diss Jean Claude Van Damme you dis yourself


>>Defensively we are one of the toughest teams, and nobody is
>>gonna call this team soft.
>>We will make every shot hard to come by and we will also
>getin
>>your heads.
>
>Wait, hold on, I'm gonna do it ... YOU'RE TEAM IS SOFT.
>That's right, the Boston Strangler, Vlade "The Big Dirty"
>Divac, Paul "Can't Hide the Bitchinyoo" Silas, Jason
>"Slap-Happy" Kidd, the Long Arm of the Law, Larry Legend, and
>Shawn Motherfuckin' Kemp will have no problems here. I
>recognize Artest is gully (I mean, he did choose #93 for the
>Souls of Mischief -- respect) but outside of Ron Ron and the
>Cap this team is getting lit the fuck up. Again, Rodman
>played second fiddle to Stephen Baldwin. I wish I could
>forget it, too, but those are the facts.

^^^A team with Vlade the Flop Divac is tough? hmmm

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W5 and L5

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

-Isiah
-Moncrief
-English
-Hayes
-Bellamy

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Safonix' team has a significant size advantage at the guard spots, so we'd have to play quite a bit of zone to exploit their most apparent weakness. Perimeter shooting. Force them to hit shots from the outside. On offense, we'd try use our speed to get some transition buckets with Isiah leading the break. In half court sets, it'd be a a heavy dose of English, curling around screens and hitting the open shot. Off the bench, we'd pick things up even more with Michael Ray, AD and Dwight Howard. I can see a small lineup of Zeke, Richardson, Dantley, English and Howard causing them some fits. The key to victory would be containing Hakeem, and with 3 big men, all of varying body type and defensive styles, that should be quite attainable.

"MY FOOD FOR THOUGHT SO HOT IT GIVE YOU DUDES ULCERS."
JAY Z

1. Gary Payton
2. Grant Hill
3. Bobby Jones
4. Bob Pettit
5. Hakeem Olajuwon


Bench:Tracy Mcgrady, Bob Lanier, Mark Jackson