This is a double elimination tournament. There will be a winners bracket and a losers bracket. The matchups will be as follows: 1vs2, 3vs4, etc. I know I said the matchups were going to be 1vs16, 2vs15 etc..but quite simply, I LIED. I didnt want anyone pre planning for their first matchup. Since I knew what I was planning, the first person to inbox me, I will switch with them so i am as unaware of my opponent as everyone else.



RULES
1. No Trades
2. Must Post starting lineups for each game
3. Each gm/coach will inbox Bigpo their gameplan. I will post them once both are received. That way no opponent can get a heads up reading their opponents game plan. When i am one of the opponents, my competition and myself will inbox ThaTruth (i volunteered you because you have stepped to the for front assisting in making this thing go.)
4. Title of inbox should read like so: ex. bigpos gameplan vs ThaTruth or ThaTruths gameplan vs bigpo.
5. Each opponent will be allowed one rebuttal before it goes to the judges. (These will be posted not inboxed)Title ex. Bigpos Rebuttal
6. Judges will inbox me their decision for the game. Ex. Malachi votes SPM over Shawnedmeslanted (a reason will be preferred but it is not mandatory).
7. Decisions will be posted after all judges have inboxed. (dont want judge influencing judges).
8.Judges Decision is final..no matter how good you think your argument is.
9. PLEASE PLEASE reserve comments for the comments section.
Suggestions:
(Read if you like...will help if you do)
you should not assume a team should win based solely on their roster (that is for gm/coaches and judges). BBall is a game of matchups. Expression of gameplan is essential. Be detailed. Point out your strengths and weaknesses, how you intend guard against your weaknesses being exploited. Point out key matchups, mismatches, your opponents strengths and weaknesses, and how you plan to harness their strongpoints and attack their weaknesses. Explain how much run you intent to give players, who your key 6 man will be. who substitutes for who etc. once again BE DETAILED.

Finally its time to play!

determines W1 and L1

wtf

C-Shaq
PF- Webber
SF-KG
SG-Carter
PG-Pete Maravich

Bench: Hornacek, porter , sprewell

do i gotta explain now?
or just list them?

a 6'4" guard from Pepperdine University, Dennis Johnson!

a 6'3" guard from McNeese State University, Joe Dumars!

a 6'7" forward from St. John's University, Chris Mullin!

a 6'9" forward from Virginia Union University, Charles Oakley!

and the man in the middle, a 7'2" center from the University of Kansas, THE BIG DIPPER, WILT CHAMBERLAIN!!!

bencb - Penny Hardaway, Antonio McDyess, Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell

Starting line ups:

Shaq vs. Wilt

CWebb vs. Charles Oakley

KG vs. Chris Mullin

Vince Carter vs. Joe Dumars

Pete Maravich vs. Dennis Johnson

My Bench: Sprewell, Horny, Terry Porter vs Penny, Cedric Maxwell and Antonio McDyess


IMO, This is an easy ass win for me, lmao.
As you can see I have the mismatch in EVERY position. I will now break down my advantages position by position. Please note all these assessments are of the players in their PRIME. So don’t let Cwebb playing with one leg or Vince Carter quitting on the raptors impact your judging.

Center:
Lmao, Wilt was the “big dipper”….but in an era of 6’7 white bols. Wilt has NEVER faced any one as dominating as Shaq. Whether it be physically or athletically. This would be a complete shock to Wilt as he is raped in the post due to the 50lb weight difference being used by the devastingly agile Shaq. If you watch any film on Wilt you know he played defense by primarly towering over his opponents with them long ass arms and waiting till the 6’7 white bol tried to hook shot. No no no, Shaq ain’t bullshittign with them moves man. Shaq will body him in the post, gaining position and using his hips/butt to bump Wilt off balance thus preventing him from getting his leverage to block. The result: gorilla dunks all in that nigga face. This will make Wilt work over time on defense and tire him out on the offensive end where Shaq will lean wit it , rock wit it. Using his weight to push wilt off the blocks

Power forward: This is pretty much no contest,lol. Who the fuck picks Charles Oakley as their ALL TIME starting power forward,lol. Anyway , there are better PFs in the NBA right Now then charles Oakley. Shit, chris webber RIGHT NOW is better then charles Oakley. Anyway , charles Oakley is a one trick pony, all he does is play marginal defense and rebounds a lil bit. You put a bum like that against a young and good chris webber with his full knees and u have a terrible mismatch. In his prime Cwebb was just as good a rebounder as Oakley, topping out at 13 a game, and has always blocked more shots. Let’s no even waste time talking bout who is better offensively. Chris could either take Oakley off the dribble or come out for the 15 footers. Also chris would post oak up and abuse him with the deadly pass. Cwebb is the best passing big man EVER. Not to mention the 20lb weight defense and the fact that in his prime CWebb was STRONGER then charles Oakley.

Small Forward: yet another sad mismatch,lmao. Niggas is wasting my time making me talk about niggas like chris mullin. Let’s not even go into the physical mismatch. We talking 5 inches and 20lbs man….AND even wit the added height and weight KG is STILL much faster and more mobile. The one advantage mullin has is his shooting, but Kg is agile enough and quick enough with his feet to get out on the perimeter and body mullin. Also that 8 foot wing span would make Chris real hesitant about launching threes or jumpers. So basically you are left with a slow jump shooting nigga who will not be able to get his shot off, lmao. Down low, KG will abuse mullin on the offensive end , we already know how or why, dunks/post moves/too quick. Also mullin won’t even waste his time trying drive to the basket, shit will get sent into the 400 level. Also KG will clean the boards something terrible.

Shooting guard: Joe dumars will be used to try and play tight Defense on half man half amazing. Sadly that shit will not work. I know joe supposedly played tight D on Jordan, but Jordan still use to get off. So I’m not convinced on how effective dumars REALLY was. If you remember in the 2001 playoffs the sixers tried to guard carter with a player VERY similar to joe dumas, in build and game! His name is Eric Snow, same size….same type of defensive approach, guess what happen in that series….vince carter avg. damn near 40 points! That’s what happen nigga! Imo dumars main defensive prowess comes from guarding the jumper and sticking to a person along the perimeter, ala eric snow and to an extent bruce bowen. Thing is vince is so athletic he don’t NEED to shoot from the outside. He will abuse dumars in the paint using his 4 inch height advantage, alley oops all day on that gay ass nigga dumar. And when he get dunked on he will be standing there with that bland ass face he has during pistons games now. Fuck dude!

Point guard: wtf, dennis Johnson is a glorified role player man. Pistol pete is just too good offensively for him imo. Too good of a shooter, too good of a ball handler,too quick and fluid driving to the basket. It’s a terrible mismatch. I know piston ain’t really a Pg but with his handles and his career assist numbers I know he could handle the role. Shit dennis Johnson career high in assist is basically the same as maravich and he wasn’t even a point.


The bench: We got sprewell, who coming off the bench will be like Ben Gordon on sterioids!
Instant spark plug. I got hornacek and porter as the instant spot up shooters to drain three’s.

Game plan:
Defense: we got a lot length from our big men. KG allow will discourage niggas from driving to the basket , then you add shaq and it’s a wrap pretty much. Also our defensive and offensive rebounding will be fucking crazy. Kg will get his 20 boards and then webber and shaq or good for 10-12 easy EACH. Our guards are more offensive, but sprewell and hornacek can come in and provide their shut down D and slow the game down.

Offense: we got two options here. We can either get sick wit it and run the fastbreak ala steve nash. With pistol playing the steve nash role, shaq/webber playing the amare role , Kg playing the matrix role and vince playing the joe Johnson/Q role. Shit might be unstoppable.
If you somehow do stop it, we switch into a half court game. With pistol at point, passing the ball down low for shaq or webber and KG. Insert horncek and porter for vince or KG if you want and we can do the inside out game all fucking day, you double shaq or webber, wide open three for horny or porter or fucking pistol pete matter fact.

Niggas can’t win against me fam

refuted his entire gameplan with mine. Outside of Shaq, his entire starting lineup is made up of soft players that are known for coming up small in big games. I've got 3 people in my starting lineup that have won Finals MVP so you know they play big in big games. He's talking about Shaq posting up, Webber posting up, KG posting up, Vince posting up, that seems like a pretty crowded post to me. There's no way that can work.

Wilt beasted against more than "6’7 white bols". He played against some of the greatest big men of all-time including Russell, Thurmond, Bellamy, Reed, he even caught some of Kareem, beating him in the '72 Western conference Finals. Shaq's never faced anybody as big and strong and athletic as Wilt. Shaq couldn't handle Hakeem and Wilt was was bigger, stronger and just as athletic as him.

Then you got the C-Webb, a.k.a. The Cowardly Lion, looking for some courage. He's still shook from the infamous "timeout" call at Michigan and has been playing shook ever since. The only time his team went deep in the playoffs who was leading them? Mike Bibby. 'nuff said. Webber was somewhere hiding behind Vlade Divac. Oak would just whisper something to him in the pre-game warm-ups and he wouldn't even come out the locker room.

Then there's Kevin "The Scarecrow" Garnett, trying desparately to find a brain. Dawg, you're 7-feet with handles and quick as hell, why you always shooting fadeway jumpers in crunch time? I'm not worried about KG playing against Mullin because KG has never been smart enough to use his size to his advantage. He'll quickly get tired of chasing Mullin through all those picks.

Now we have the Tin Man, Vince Carter, still looking for some heart. He'll get bodied every time he even looks at the basket and by halftime he'll be faking an injury and run and hide in the lockerroom. He's not ready for our Bad Boys treatment.

Pistol Pete, is Dorthy, he'll just want to go home after DJ gets through with him. Maravich averaged like 5 turnovers a game in his prime and 9-time All-Defense performer like DJ would bump that up to about 10. Maravich won 5 playoff games in his ENTIRE CAREER. He was basically a 6'5" white A.I., a ball-hog that shot his team out of games, turned the ball over too much and was only concerned about his personal stats.

The hapless wizard SPM can do nothing to stop the slaughter from my squad. Its a WRAP.

We're going to be physical with this team right off the bat. With the exception of Shaq, his entire starting lineup is full off guys that are known for playing soft and not liking a lot of contact so we're going going go right at them.

His PG Maravich is prone to turning over the ball at an extremely high rate and taking a lot of bad shots and we plan to exploit that. 9-time All-Defensive performer Dennis Johnson will hound him all over the court and frustrate him and render him ineffective like he did with Magic in the '84 Finals. Dumars will make Vince work for every shot shot like he did with MJ in the Pistons/Bulls wars and make Vince shoot fadeway jumpers. If Vince does attempt to drive to the basket Oak will hammer him one time and that will be a wrap.

In the post, Wilt is strong enough to make Shaq work for every thing he gets and will the defensive pressure applied by my guards it will hard for him to even get the ball. Oakley will make Chris Webber his personal bitch and have him washing his drawers. SPM will have slight mismatch offensively with KG going against Mullin but with Shaq and Webber clogging the lane there will be nowhere for him to post up rendering that advantage useless.

When we're on offense of course it all start with Wilt. If Shaq couldn't stop Olajuwon in the '95 Finals then he'd be no match for Wilt. Wilt will use and abuse him in the low post and high post and when Shaq gets in foul trouble SPM has nothing but guards on his bench. If they try to double Wilt he is an excellent passer out of the post and he can kick it out to Mullin or Dumars spotting up on the perimeter or just drop it off to Oak for a short jumper or an easy dunk. I'll also use Oak to set hard picks on KG and Vince to free up Mullin and Dumars for easy shots.

Wilt led the league in minutes played almost every season in his prime and NEVER fouled out of a game. If Oak gets in foul trouble from laying down the law I can come of the bench with McDyess and he gives me an athletic shot blocker alongside Wilt and makes getting a shot off inside even tougher or I could put him on KG if he starts giving Mullin the business.

That's pretty much a wrap, nobody on his bench even concerns me.
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Having a stragey of HOPING my team is too soft imo is the most dumbest shit i ever heard of. for one i don't see how you can talk about softness.
when your starting center was the biggest baddest dude in the league , physically, but he struggled and go this ass wupped every year by a 6'9 ben wallace clone. you wanna talk about heart let's talk about a nigga who could bully on 6'7 white bols all day but took damn near 12 playoff runs to finally win a finals MVP in 72, a series in which he really didn't deserve it only avg. 14 points.
the rest of your guys who are going "outphysical" me ALL are small as shit compared to my guys. yea wilt is going push 300Lb shaq around?
shaq is already use to getting fouled on every possession and he still got more rings then wilt and MORE finals mvps. there is no way to get in shaqs head.

if oakley tries to bully webber i just pull him out to set up for the 15 footer facing the basket...any overly physical shit out there is an automatic foul, totally negating your most physical guy..oakley, basically rendering that nigga useless. all he can do is foul and gamble.

we know mullin ain't gon bully KG, you wanna talk about niggas who never came up big in big games i'll show you chris albino nigga mullin. chris mullin is basically christopher walken in baby shorts. powder never showed up in any big games, never won shit in his life. he is the white abdul shariff raheem , fucking wack juice

vince carter is too big for joe dumars, datruth failed to realize that joe dumars played the young jordan and not the jordan in his prime. dumb ass. when did the "piston/bulls" wars occur? when jordan was in his 3rd yr? dumars against a 96 jordan is fucking toast, carter is no 96 jordan but his prime is better then the jordan of the "piston/bulls" was, whatever the fuck that is.

as far as pete being a poor shooter, i don't know how u can say that when dennis johnson was a career 42% shooter. and imo that finals mvp johnson won in 79 don't mean shit cause he won it against the bullets when elvin hayes and wes unseld were past their prime and on their way out of the league.

also trying to bully us is stupid when u consider i got sprewell who is a ball of fire when his is mad and jeff hornacek one of the calmest players ever. horny got punched in the face one game and didn't swing back but continue to knock down threes

datruth is worried about my big men fouling out is retarded too
he only has 1 REAL inside threat, and i have 18 fouls to spread around behind my big men, also having sprewell and KG i can easily switch them too and put KG on the bench and hold KG for late in the game if webber or shaq get in early foul trouble.
also hoping my big men foul out is retarded when u consider his big men are HORRIBLE FT shooters: mcdyess at 67%, wilt at 51%, and oakley at 76%. and being that wilt is really the only guy that we have to purposely foul (mcdyess never showed up in big games or won shit in his life) u better be worried when he only shoots 51%.

also it is GOOD that wilt never fouled out in his career,lmao, less times shaq gotta go to the foul line dumb ass. also since wilt never fouled out at ALL in his entire career, it suggest that my theory of him using very little body on defense is true. he just towers over people and blocks wit his hand. with shaqs statute wilt will be forced to body shaq up and he will be out of his element


also hakeem bodied a YOUNG shaq, not shaq in his prime. once again datruth is a dumbass. also hakeem bodied shaq using primary excellenct post moves, NOT physically dominating him. wilt was not known for out smarting people, he was known for overpowering people...which won't work against shaq who is bigger then him and at LEAST as strong if not stronger then wilt. wilt didn't have the skill to outsmart people with post moves, russell proved that. if wilt couldn't back u down and over power u he folded. being that wilt was the same exact size as dikembe mutombo(7'1 250lbs)...i seriously doubt shaq would be quivering in his pants
fact of the matter is ALOT of niggas that shaq played were wilts size, the modern athlete is bigger and being that wilts primary game was power that poses a problem for wilt cause his power would be nothing new to shaq

you guards will have no chance to drive the lane
1)shaq and KG are there and if u do drive on carter or maravich i put in sprewell who has mad energy and sticks like glue on niggas
this basically forces ur guards to shoot from outside
u already know johnson is a 42% career shooter and a 17% 3PT shooter(yes i said 17%,look it up,lol) so ex him out.dumars was only slightly better at 46% fg and 38% 3pt. and penny shot worst then that
basically he has NO spot up shooters or sharp shooters. so when the lane clogs...shit is gon be REAL hard for his perimeter scorers. and all them bricks will be gobbled up by my frontcourt..mostly KG


also if u are worried about my post being over crowded u are retarded
two of my big men are excellent jump shooters, KG comes out and mullin has no chance to block it, webber comes out and slow ass oakley quickly gets into foul trouble chasing him around the top of the key
also webbers passing will be deadly as he posts oak up then does behind the back passes to a shaq in excellent position

fuck outta here bitch

determines W2 and L2.

1. Maurice Cheeks
2. Michael Jordan
3. Billy Cunningham
4. Kevin McHale
5. Patrick Ewing

Bench - John Havlicek, David Cowens, Lafayette Lever

pg Magic
sg Reggie Miller
C Alonzo Mournin
PF Charles Barkley
SF Mark Aguirre

bench- King James, Elton Brand, Jermaine O'Neal

C - Awesome backstory, and teacher vs. pupil
in this case. Ewing can post Mourning up or negate some of his interior
defense by making him come out and defend Ewing's J. On D, I don't
think he'll compeltely shut Mourning out but he can neutralize him and make
him work hard for what little he might get. Ewing is also better on the
boards.

PF - Again, I think I have the upper hand. Barkley will probably assert
himself on offense, but he won't have his way in the paint and will be
shooting jumpshots most of the time. McHale, on the other hand, is
Barkley's admitted hardest assignment, and will be setting up shop in the
blocks like Juelz and Jimmy. I wanna go at Barkley early because I think
he could get into foul trouble quickly guarding McHale. Chuck obviously
is the better rebounder, but McHale was no slouch himself.

SF - Billy C holds every advantage except in scoring, where he is only
slightly bested by Aguirre. That and, Cunningham was the consumate
teammate and competitor, wheras his counterpart here had to have Bill
Laimbeer son his ass in front of the whole team before he started winning
anything. Yeah, I win here too. And amazingly, my best small forward's on
the bench anyway.

SG - Again, good backstory, and the result will be the same - W for
Mike, who is Reggie's superior accross the board, with the arguable
exception of single-handedly ruining New York championship hopes.

PG - Ok, L here. Magic's prolly too much for just Mo, and I might have
to rotate any combo of Cheeks/Lever/Jordan/Hondo/Cunningham on him. I
intend to press the backcourt with said personell and pressure Earv as
much as possible. So long as Mo makes him work for it, I'm fine.

Bench - Gaddamn I good. He's got green (all of 'em), undersized (Elton)
and unaccomplished (again, all of 'em) to spell his dudes, while I got
energy, leadership, and clutch. Really tho, this is one spot where
Cowens' size isn't a noticable liability, as he can spell the 4 or the 5
and give quality defense, rebounding, and maybe even a little scoring.
Hondo is better than any 2 or 3 on the opposition. And Fats will be
brought in if the game turns into an uptempo, Showtime Lakers affair. That
said, I wanna play a methodical, halfcourt game and grind it out with
this team, because I don't think they can stop me in the halfcourt wheras
I can definitely get stops against them.

first of all me having a green bench is a terrible argument-
J. O'neal- a 10 year vet...(came in league in 96)and is a 20 and 10 guy with 2.5 blocks per game. and does so in 35 minutes a game.(inside and outside game)

Brand- is a 7 year vet a perenial 20 and 10 guy(one year 25 and 10) and has averaged nearly nearly 3 blocks a game a few times. can run the floor, dont have to run the offense through him, has inside and out side game.

LEBRON- not in the league long(still 3 years) but he is a 30 6 and 6(nearly 31 7 and 7) guy. in very rare company with those stats. (jordan and oscar) and he can play the 1 to the 3.

GREEN Argument simply DOES NOT HOLD UP.

Undersized-is brand anymore undersized than cowens..(come on now come stronger than that)

Define un accomplished-2 rookie of the year (meaning instant impact)
and they are all all stars. (what are you talking about).

In the fourth i can run mourning c oneal pf barkley sf miller 2 magic pg- and if you move jordan to guard either the point or the 3 to get him off of miller...he is still in a mis matched situation...because i can counter by sending them to the post as well. He will put forth the effort but it is too much work for the your primary scorer.

C- Mourning vs Ewing-Both came from under the tutelage of John Thompson. Both were at some point top 3 centers in the league. Both have averaged over 20 and 10. Ewing is a slightly better scorer, Alonzo is a better defender. Mourning many times has been on the all defensive team and has also been Defensive Player of the Year. Ewing is Finesse, Mourning is more rugged. Playing with a volume shooter in MJ, with Ewing use to being the focal point of the offense, will be a difficult adjustment especially with the restraints that the defensive guru Mourning will have on him. Alonzo will be fine playing clean up ball, and hitting his 15 footer, and getting his easy dunks with the playmakers I have on this team. Alonzo also can run the floor with this team, which we will be doing.

Advantage-close but Mourning (do to the line ups)

PF-McHale vs Barkley- Mchale is a very good defender, also he had excellent post moves. Offensively Mchale will have a problem because even though he has a substantial height advantage Sir Charles is quicker, stronger, and has the leverage advantage. Therefore Mchale will be able to back Barkley down too deep in the post. On the defensive side of things Barkley will keep Kevin off balance running the floor, posting up, taking him outside (charles had range as well) and when Mchale comes out on him, blowing by him to the basket. Charles will also murder Mchale on the boards off of sheer will.
Advantage-Barkley

SF- Billy Cunningham vs Mark Aguirre- Billy Cunningham was a scorer, with athleticism, and very high jumping ability, and a lot of hustle. Aguirre is yet another prolific scorer (averaged over 25 numerous times, and over 29 as well) that could get his points within the flow of the game. (Aguirre, Harper, Ro Blackmon, and Tarpley all averaged in double figures in a season). Aguirre could score from three or could take the lighter jump happy “kangaroo kid” to the post. Mark would have a hard time defending Cunningham out on the floor, but Cunningham could not stop him from posting. So it’s a choice of strenghty finesse(Aguirre) vs a lengthy athleticism.(Cunningham)

Advantage- even-both have definite advantages.

SG- Jordan vs Miller- At first glance you may think this should not even be a discussion. But this is my only loss in one on one match up, and still will be a strong point for me.Let me get this out of the way…there is nothing that Reggie can do with Michael defensively. Mike has the advantage Defensively and Offensively, but not really. Let me explain. Michael is an excellent on the ball defender, but reggie will not be handling the ball. Rather he will be running MJ through picks, and double picks (by a strong rugged frountline) and Mike will have to chase him or its open Jumpers all day for a bonafied marksmen. So Millers defense will come on the offensive end by keeping mike in constant motion, and all miller needs is a second to shoot, and magic needs less than that to find him. Both are xxxxxxtremely clutch.

Advantage-Jordan in ability, but in this situation….Draw

PG-Magic vs Maurice Cheeks- A legend vs a good defensive role player. Magic will make everyone on this team better and will see the floor and find openings with outstanding scorers all around him. He too will be able to post Cheeks alllll day long for a constant mismatch. He will also dominate Maurice on the boards, while keeping every player involved and happy. We will run this team all day and there will be nothing that they can do about it.
Avantage- Easily Magic.

Bench-I will have Lebron as my 6th man he can sub from the 1 to the 3. at the 1 more athletic magic…game plan exact same at the 2. more attacking mj from a different angle but mj has to respect his athleticism.(especially with magic running the break) 3. takes away every advantage Cunningham has over Aguirre. Sub brand for barkley and we don’t lose much in either catergory. Rebounds, hustle, scoring ability. Jermaine oneal for Alonzo.-don’t lose much there either. Both are shotblockers both have post game and outside range. Both can run the floor.
Bench avantage Bigpo(because nothing changes)

GP- we will not be double teaming. Our goal is to let mike beat us 1 on 5 while having to try to defend miller. But when we do send help there are no pure 3 point shooters for him to kick out to to constantly hurt us. Mike doesnt have the Athletic side kick that he needs that helped in his success. Billy cant run the offense, and cheeks is not a worthy enough scoring threat. Even havlicek was just a 43% shooter. We will run this team out of the gym, and they cant keep up with these horses that I have.And we hope he moves magic to guard pg or either the 3...mismatches will only get worse. we will save those explanations for when it happens.

bigpo 117 kingkahn-92 Jordan with 43...Magic player of the game with 22pts 14 assist 11 boards

First off - in regards to calling your bench "green", well, relatively speaking they are. None has championship experience... hell, only one has any playoff experience. And yeah... Elton's smaller than Cowens.

If you decide not to double, you'll get murdered by Mike, McHale and my 3's. There's only one defensive stopper on your team, and if you intend to man up, then "defensive guru" Mourning is gonna be out on the perimeter defending Ewing and Big Red while McHale wrecks shop inside and my slashers get to the hole at will. BTW - McHale will get his from anywhere in the post, and has a history of giving Barkley absolute fits.

Saying we can't stop you from running is a horrible argument... I've got a versatile, athletic, high-energy defense that will be able to impose its will on the tempo of the game. If you're banking on making me take Michael off Reggie to guard Magic... that's fine... Reggie, meet all-time defensive great John Havlicek and get locked down on your way out the door... Reggie will be having fits all game. I wouldn't put too much stock into the screen thing either. Unlike many of the current NBA, everyone on my perimeter (save Fats) was a great defender, knew fundamentals, and could rotate effectively, which can negate sending Reggie through triple screens or whatever.

I'm not gassed off his bench at all - his big men have frankly never had to face anyone as good as McHale or Ewing in their primes in a big game, and can also be checked by Cowens who was no slouch himself. Hondo gives me some much needed versatility, as I'm confident in him guarding 1-3 on the opposition so I can put him on Reggie if Mike's guarding Magic or Magic if Mo can't handle him, etc. etc.

bigpo goes to loser bracket.(dayum bumped in the first round of my own ish)

W3 and L3

1. Oscar Robertson
2. Wes Unseld
3. Dave Bing
4. Nate Thurmond
5. Mitchell James Richmond

PG- Bob "The Houdini of the Hardwood" Cousy
SG- Earl "The Pearl" Monroe
SF- David "Skywalker" Thompson
PF- "The Hawk" Connie Hawkins
C- Bill "11 Rings" Russell




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"My game is not speed. My game is finesse...and sexy...and chocolate...and all that good stuff." Delonte West

http://www.delonte.com

Let's take a look at my starters...

PG- Bob Cousy
http://cache.nba.com/media/history/cousy_pass_350.jpg
Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (1971); NBA champion (1957, '59, '60, '61, '62, '63); NBA MVP (1957); 10-time All-NBA First Team (1952-61); All-NBA Second Team (1962, '63); 13-time All-Star; All-Star MVP (1954, '57); One of 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996).
PPG- 18.4
RPG- 5.2
APG- 7.5

SG- Earl Monroe
http://www.hickoksports.com/images/monroe_earl.jpg
Nicknames: The Pearl, Black Magic, Thomas Edison
PPG- 18.8
RPG- 3.0
APG- 3.9


SF- David Thompson
http://www.nba.com/media/nuggets/david_thompson_dunk.jpg
-Only player in history named MVP of both the ABA and NBA All-Star Games
-Scored a career-high 73 points against Detroit (April 9, 1978)
-44 Inch Vertical
-Three-time First-Team All-America, three time All-ACC selection, and a two-time Associated Press National Player of the Year
PPG- 22.1
RPG- 3.8
APG- 3.2

PF- Connie Hawkins

http://www.hoophall.com/halloffamers/img/conniehawkins1.JPG
PPG- 16.5
RPG- 8.0
APG 4.1


C- Bill Russell
Elected to Naismith Basketball Basketball Hall of Fame (1975);
NBA champion (1957, '59, '60, '61, '62, '63, '64, '65, '66, '68, '69);
NBA MVP (1958, '61, '62, '63, '65);
12-time NBA All-Star (1958-69);
One of the 50 Greatest Players in NBA History (1996);
Olympic gold medalist (1956).
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http://www.wnec.edu/communicator/news/2003/img/Bill_Russell.jpg
PPG- 15.1
RPG- 22.5
APG- 4.3
BPG- God only knows

Basic Philosophy vs. CeejForce Ceej’s squad to defend our versatillity and dictate the pace of the game

Strategy:
Obviously any team stepping on the court has to worry about Big O going to town on your squad. However, we present a number of different matchups for Oscar. Our main focus will be to force Oscar to defend various players on the defensive side of the court, including chasing Earl the Pearl around the court, defending Sam Jones’ arsenal of shots and being muscled by David Thompson. On the offensive side of the court it would be tempting to go zone, however Russell is a strong advocate of man-to-man defense and we’ll trust his 11 championships.

Focusing on the starting lineups, the decision for Ceej to start Mitch Richmond is an interesting one. With Oscar and Bing already on the floor, you wouldn’t think he’d need another scorer like Mitch in the game.

By trying to force the pace early with Cousy/Pearl running the break with Hawkins, Skywalker and Amare (early sub) on the flanks, this should force Ceej’s high powered offense to play basket-to-basket and force Ceej to his deep bench in the second half.
With a deeper, bigger bench we will crash the boards hard with Kirilenko, Hawkins Stoudemire and oh-yeah BILL RUSSELL bruising Unseld, Thurmond and DeBusschere under the basket.

Key to the game for my squad: The deepness and versatility of the bench. Kirilenko can do it all on the court including throwing a different look at Oscar on switches. The craftiness for Sam Jones leaves Ceej with no answer defensively.

The versatility, especially of our front court leaves Ceej with very little options other than playing his best players and attempting to adapt to our style of play.
We have the foundation and leadership to overcome the talent of Oscar. The three members of the Celtics dynasty will use their experience as teammates to energize our squad to a solid victory over Coach Ceej.

Game plan

Offense
I will be running the triangle with Big O as the point forward, Dave Bing as the shooting guard and Wes Unseld as the force in the middle. My offensive sets will begin with getting the ball to Unseld off the bat and creating shots from the anticipated double team. Bing and Mitch will be available on the perimeter to hit the open shot when the double team comes. My bench guy for instant O will be Pierce, he will come in get instant touches to either drive the hole or create match up problems.

Defense
I will be coming out with manaman as so nasty nate/Russell, unseld/Hawkins, Richmond/Thompson, bing/cousy and Robertson/Monroe. I plan on having nasty nate front Russell in the post and drain the shot clock as much as possible and force a quick shot or pass out. Bill is gonna get his so the key is to limit the guys on perimeter from really hurting us. If need I will slide unseld over to double team the problem is the bench is thin on big man so we CANT get into foul trouble.

Minutes

Big O is gonna be my horse and play most of the game, I will steal some minutes for him by utilizing the TV timeouts and the ends of qtrs/halfs.
Bing will get about 30-35 mins depending on his production, when is getting a rest debusherre will come in to put the clamps on their shooters.
Wes and nasty nate have to play as much as possible so my plan is to spell one at a time but never at the same time.
Mitch will split time with pierce/debuscherre depending on what the needs of the team are, if mitch has his shot than debuscherre can come in for defensive help or paul can come in for offense.
Lastly my player coach will be used sparingly to give breather to big o, so he is basically my very own darko, he is the human victory cigar.

Prediction
I will slow the game down on both ends of the floor not taking a shot to early in the shot clock and making theo work to get his shot. I got more shooters and d so the grind it out game will end with a Ceej-a-Matic VICTORY.

W4 and L4

1. Nash
2. Dwade
3. Pippen
4. Rodman
5 Capdul Jabalcindor

Artest, Sampson, and Dale Ellis will come off the bench in this series.

1. Kidd
2. Tayshaun
3. Bird
4. Kemp
5. Willis Reed

I may do my plan of attack tonight, but probably tomorrow.

If you don't like something I said, feel free to change it. Just work your own corrections and improvements in as you like (I've always been interested in collaborative writing, but I never get a chance to do it really. Kind of disappointing...) Or just send it on to bigpo, whatever, but I figured I'd give you a chance to look at it first.

STARTING LINE-UP:

PG - Jason Kidd
SG - Tayshaun Prince
SF - Larry Legend
PF - Shawn Motherfucking (and I mean literally) Kemp
C - Willis Reed

BENCH:

SF/SG - Andrew Toney
PF/SF - Paul Silas
C - Vlade Divac

GAMEPLAN:

This team is all about the fast-break. Jason Kidd is one of the fastest PGs baseline to baseline in the history of the NBA and Shawn Kemp lives to run and dunk. Larry's slow white ass will inevitably be trailing, but that's a good thing because he'll be able to knock down 3s if, by some flaw in the natural world, Shawn Kemp is actually prevented from dunking. It's basically going to be NBA Jams in real life, with dunks or long-balls on nearly every possession.

With Artest and Rodman on the same team, it shouldn't be too hard to make them explode. Larry Legend is one of the most notorious shit-talkers in the history of the NBA, and you better believe he'll have an earful for those kids. Can you imagine what Artest would do when the blonde-mulleted, rat-stash-having, short-short wearing kid from French Lick tells him exactly how he's going to light him up and then lights him up? If that doesn't get Artest going, it's a simple matter to have Kidd slap him, as we all know he's quite fond of that.

Should these tactics fail to drive Rodman and Artest insane, we are going to send Basaglia a front-row ticket to the game, because that motherfucker just might be crazier than Artest and Rodman combined. With those three personalities in the same arena, somebody's going to snap, and I can't say for certain exactly who is getting punched in the ey by whom, just that it is going to happen.

MATCH-UP:

KIDD v. NASH:
The Disgraced Wife-Beater v. the White Savior of PHX. Nash can't play D, Jason is going to run him out of the building. And then slap him like the bitch he is.

TAYSHAUN v. WADE:
Has anybody else noticed that Dwyane spells "Dwayne" wrong? Anybody too dumb to spell their own name right isn't winning in a legends contest, pure and simple.

The last name "Prince" is kind of fruity, but at least it's spelled right.

LARRY LEGEND v. PIPPEN:
If we want to talk about bad dads, let's talk about Pippen. It's a testament to the ability of NBA stars to pull tail when a mealy-mouthed motherfucker with a stupid horse face can father as many illegitimate children as Pip did. The more interesting match-up might be Shawn Kemp's brood v. Pippen's brood, but we'd have to wait a few years for that one.

Either way, nobody can stop Larry legend. Nobody. Plus Pip is an overrated second wheel.

MO'FUCKING KEMP v. RODMAN:
Here, I put a video on youtube.com for everyone. And oh yeah, even Rodman's fucked up hairstyles can't keep Kemp's eyes from being locked on the rim. No amount of foul play or stupid headgames interfere with Kemp's singular mindset on dunking. That dude is mashing the ball every time he touches it.

Anyway, enjoy this video, it's a good one:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=pxQq1tUw6NM

REED v. ALCINDOR:
I don't know who the fuck Willis Reed is, but I know Kareem is bad. I won't lie, there's no arguing that Kareem is going to fucking handle this Willis character. What the hell was shelly thinking passing on Jabbar?

BENCH v. BENCH:
There is a man on this bench whose nickname is the Boston Strangler. I defy you to find a better NBA nickname than that, that's bad, and trust when Artest and Rodman and Basaglia all start flipping their lids, this mo'fucker will make good on that nickname. He's going to make Wayne Brady looking like the shucking and jiving house negro that he is.

Also, Vlade Divac is the KING of the guile. Let's not forget his part in driving Rodman and Artest insane. He's going to flop early and flop often, and then he's going to get up and complain to the referee about the call. These Eastern European cats spent decades getting free hand-outs and Vlade knows ALL about getting his. Count an extra 2 offensive fouls on any guy that Vlade guards for more than 3 minutes.

CONCLUSION:

There will be a brawl in this game because, honestly, Artest and Rodman are two of the craziest fuckers ever to step foot on court. Basaglia will be right behind their bench screaming his head off about the dumbest shit the world has ever heard, and his constant yells of "Bad Dad" directed at Bird are going to confuse the shit out of Pippen and Kemp until they're on their toes and ready to flip as well. The tension will be high, and then enter the kid from French Lick with the goofiest demeanor, the biggest mouth, and the nastiest game.

As far as the brawl goes, I have to admit Shawn probably has an edge. Artest is the definition of gully and Kareem is going fitting to let some loose with some serious black rage. Then again, Rodman might just put a fucking wedding dress on and go do push-ups in the locker room while it happens, and Jason Kidd is going to slap the shit out of that Canadian bitch Nash. I'm not sure how Tayshaun would hold up, but those long, skinny kids are always trouble in a brawl. Plus we know Vlade's got some dirty, streets of Eastern-Europe super sneaky thug shit somewhere in his bag. He'll murk Dwyane Wade and Dale Ellis by himself, and before anyone even realizes what he did he'll be half-way through his third cigarette. So nix the first sentence, bshelly's team is taking the scrap, because, seriously, Shawn's team has a dude that wore a wedding dress in public. Let's not forget that.

So after Shawn's team gets murked and the resultant ejections, both injury and suspension will prevent him from fielding five men. bshelly's team wins on a technicality through good street-fighting and leveler heads getting lighter suspensions by not acting like insane motherfuckers in the post-game press conference.

Firts off, we always love locker room material...So My asst coaches and I went back through the archives and found this lovely post made by opposing coach bryan shelly.
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bshelly
Charter member
20881 posts Mon Mar-13-06 06:11 PM


84. "kareem is a bitch who wouldn't play D"
In response to Reply # 8 fuck him. i got plans.

bshelly

Not only did he disrespect the Cap once, but several times throughout the post:

kareem is a fucking ninny. i want no part of him.

bshelly


89. "fuck the lakers and fuck soft ass kareem"
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As many of you may or may not know Kareem was a laid back dude, but you didnt want topiss him off. Shelly broke that rule.

Center vs Center

I couldve gone to war with the Older kareem that shelly saw as a Laker...but I decided I needed to just bring out the Old School Kareem/Lew.


So anyways. Willis had a great career and was a "tru Warrior" but in one of his best years 1970 where he avgd 21ppg and 13.9 rebs, Kareem came in as a ROOKIE to the Milwaukee bucks and avgd 28.8 and 14.5 to go along with 4 assists. Willis avgd 2 assists.

Keep in mind in head to head. Kareem is a rookie, so this wasnt even his peak. But then size wise, Kareem (already the leagues most consistent low post scorer ever had 5 inches of height on Willis. And then we still havent gotten into the development of his sky hook yet. Willis was a good talent who played hard and made the most of his abilities. Kareem was a next world type of talent. At the time he was NYC's most fabled player, and later became one of the greatest college centers ever at UCLA, and ALWAYS lived up to all the hype he got.

Having Kareem matched up against willis allows me to have a huge advantage strategy wise. I will just dump it inside, post/repost. If Shelly doesnt double team i score over the top. If he does double team, I pass (dont forget kareems assist numbers for a C) out for an open jumper from Nash at 3, Wade @0 footer, Or Pippen for a 20 footer. And I have worm waiting on the offensive glass for any rebounds that come off.


pf vs pf-
Now this is a bit trickier...Both kemp and Worm matched up in real life during their careers. As Athletic as Kemp was, he was sometimes soft/lacking heart, and having a guy like rodman there to constantly be in his head will take him out of his game. If im not mistaken, by Kemp's peak years he already had multiple children out of wedlock, Trust the worm would be there to remind him. Kemp my try to call worm a "faggot" but the beauty of worm is he could give a fuck what you call him. And if theres one guy whos athleticism/heart could matchup with Kemp, it was Rodman. i dont think anyone can deny what an incredible athlete Worm was. He was strong enough to battle with kemp inside, and agile enough to challenge his ugly jumpshot.
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sf vs sf-Larry Bird vs Pippen. This matchup I will focus more on the defensive end because Bird was no doubt an offensive juggernaut. They never really faced in both of their primes, but If theres one dude who could contain Bird in the NBA of that era it would be Pippen. Pippen had teh athleticism and long arms to frustrate bird and challenge his jumpshot. Inside, he was just as strong, and definitely a smart player. The only thing id tell pipp was to watch for headfakes and not to get caught up in foul trouble. On the other end of the floor Pippen would be to quick for bird. At times I would have Pippen handle the ball so that bird could chase him around and this would help wear out Bird's legs.


sg vs sg-D. Wade vs Tayshaun Prince. This is the matchup we have the privilege of seeing. I dont know what coach Shelly was thinking. maybe he thought I had Kobe instead of Wade. BUt wade always frustrates tayshaun. In a matchup earlier this year, Tay even questioned why flip saunders left him on wade when it obviously wasnt working (ask Pistons fan JBoogs). Wade is too explosive for Tay and his change of direction breaks Tay's stilty legs. On defense They will try and post Tay up..but hey if you have bird, reed and kemp and you settle for a Tay post up, Ill take it everytime.


pg vs pg-Now this was a matchup i contemplated, I almost started Ron Ron and let wade play pg. for this game....because of Nash's perceived defensive deficiencies, but then i was like nah. Kidd is gonna create for his team, but he is not a scorer. Im sure shelly will try to refer to this recent nets/suns game, but throughout their careers, they have been pretty evenly matched. If kidd beats any of my guys, I have the best defenders PIPPEN, Rodman and 11 time all defensive team KAreem to Come ove rto help. IMO nash is not the worst defender you can have, He is smart and knows where to push his man. It just so happens that the last 2 teams he has played for havent had teh best defensive philosophy (see suns when nashis oput or dallas when nash left). Cats like steve francis and marbury get burned by other pgs all the time too. On offense, nash is gonna create havoc by driving to the hoop and finding people. Kidd is a good defender, but he cant stay in front of nash all the time. Hey if Nash has any problems, I put Wade in at PG, Pippen at Sf and Artest in at SG. And we grind it out

At some point I will have Dale ellis in, when Nash breaks down the D, Dale one of the best shooters ever will be there to hit the shot.

Or ill have him on the opposite elbow as cap.

Have Rodman set a nice pick and cap crosscourt a pass to the opposite elbow for a wide open 3...Swish!

Oh wait I still have Ralph Sampson, who before he was injured was a beast. In his prime years he avgds 20, 10 and 2 with about 2 blocks and despite his 7'4 height he had the ability to play 4. So if I want to run up the score, I put Sampson in at 4, and have him score over Kemp who isnt exactly known as a defensive juggernaut.

Overall, the game plan is to take what is given. I have some of teh smartest most unselfish players in basketball history. Yea Rodman and Artest might be crazy, but they know how to play unselfish basketball. Sometimes worm was too unselfish.

We're gonna start off in the half court game with Cap, but we will run at every oppurtunity because all 5 of our starters and even our bench guys can get out and run the floor.

Defensively we are one of the toughest teams, and nobody is gonna call this team soft.
We will make every shot hard to come by and we will also getin your heads.

Happy Ether day shelly

Firstly, no comment on what bshelly said about Kareem, except "don't watch me, watch tv" (c) Juelz.


>Keep in mind in head to head. Kareem is a rookie, so this
>wasnt even his peak. But then size wise, Kareem (already the
>leagues most consistent low post scorer ever had 5 inches of
>height on Willis. And then we still havent gotten into the
>development of his sky hook yet. Willis was a good talent who
>played hard and made the most of his abilities. Kareem was a
>next world type of talent. At the time he was NYC's most
>fabled player, and later became one of the greatest college
>centers ever at UCLA, and ALWAYS lived up to all the hype he
>got.

I just wanna say that I'm not certain those Kareem goggles are really above the belt when the street fight starts. I mean, I guess if Willis can bust him a good one in his eye he might make the things splinter and blind ol' boy, but he might also just fuck his hand up and have the blow glance off. Either way I'd say that silly goggles are NOT what's hot in the street, but whatever, I've already said Kareem is taking this match-up in a walk. I mean dude is in part responsible for Airplane!, that's pretty unfuckwittable.

>pf vs pf-
>Now this is a bit trickier...Both kemp and Worm matched up in
>real life during their careers. As Athletic as Kemp was, he
>was sometimes soft/lacking heart, and having a guy like rodman
>there to constantly be in his head will take him out of his
>game. If im not mistaken, by Kemp's peak years he already had
>multiple children out of wedlock, Trust the worm would be
>there to remind him. Kemp my try to call worm a "faggot" but
>the beauty of worm is he could give a fuck what you call him.
>And if theres one guy whos athleticism/heart could matchup
>with Kemp, it was Rodman. i dont think anyone can deny what an
>incredible athlete Worm was. He was strong enough to battle
>with kemp inside, and agile enough to challenge his ugly
>jumpshot.

Like I said, Shawn Kemp lives to do one thing, and one thing only, and that's dunk the basketball. To help fuel his hunger we intend to keep him away from any and all rims for at least a month prior to the match-up, meaning he's gonna be fiending to throw the ball through the hole come tip-off. Anybody getting in his way is in trouble.

Admittedly, this strategy might backfire as Kemp just starts eating a few pounds of ribs every day, doing tons of blow, and fathering 15-20 kids on the side, but we're willing to take our chances.

>sf vs sf-Larry Bird vs Pippen. This matchup I will focus more
>on the defensive end because Bird was no doubt an offensive
>juggernaut. They never really faced in both of their primes,
>but If theres one dude who could contain Bird in the NBA of
>that era it would be Pippen. Pippen had teh athleticism and
>long arms to frustrate bird and challenge his jumpshot.
>Inside, he was just as strong, and definitely a smart player.
>The only thing id tell pipp was to watch for headfakes and not
>to get caught up in foul trouble. On the other end of the
>floor Pippen would be to quick for bird. At times I would have
>Pippen handle the ball so that bird could chase him around and
>this would help wear out Bird's legs.

Larry Legend is unstoppable. If need be, we'll quietly ask the Sports Guy to sneak into the opposing locker room with his press pass and slip some laxative (or maybe worse) into Pip's drink, because even though it would mean throwing the Sports Guy's career and reputation away, I think it's safe to assume his man-crush on Bird and everything Boston would easily inspire him to do the deed all the same.

Not only would this save Bird from Pippen, it would save OKP from the stupid weekly Sports Guys posts. This is really a win-win all around.

>sg vs sg-D. Wade vs Tayshaun Prince. This is the matchup we
>have the privilege of seeing. I dont know what coach Shelly
>was thinking. maybe he thought I had Kobe instead of Wade. BUt
>wade always frustrates tayshaun. In a matchup earlier this
>year, Tay even questioned why flip saunders left him on wade
>when it obviously wasnt working (ask Pistons fan JBoogs). Wade
>is too explosive for Tay and his change of direction breaks
>Tay's stilty legs. On defense They will try and post Tay
>up..but hey if you have bird, reed and kemp and you settle for
>a Tay post up, Ill take it everytime.

"Long Arm of the Law" >>>>> "Flash" and I really like the Flash nickname.

Otherwise, no comment.

>pg vs pg-Now this was a matchup i contemplated, I almost
>started Ron Ron and let wade play pg. for this game....because
>of Nash's perceived defensive deficiencies, but then i was
>like nah. Kidd is gonna create for his team, but he is not a
>scorer. Im sure shelly will try to refer to this recent
>nets/suns game, but throughout their careers, they have been
>pretty evenly matched. If kidd beats any of my guys, I have
>the best defenders PIPPEN, Rodman and 11 time all defensive
>team KAreem to Come ove rto help. IMO nash is not the worst
>defender you can have, He is smart and knows where to push his
>man. It just so happens that the last 2 teams he has played
>for havent had teh best defensive philosophy (see suns when
>nashis oput or dallas when nash left). Cats like steve francis
>and marbury get burned by other pgs all the time too. On
>offense, nash is gonna create havoc by driving to the hoop and
>finding people. Kidd is a good defender, but he cant stay in
>front of nash all the time. Hey if Nash has any problems, I
>put Wade in at PG, Pippen at Sf and Artest in at SG. And we
>grind it out

Let's take a moment to remember a one-time All-Star, a multiple Finals competitor, a once hot-commodity in the NBA by the name of Kenyon Martin. Remember that guy? The guy with the big contract, shit game, shitty numbers, and an even shittier nickname (I mean, KMart?) that Denver is now stuck with? Yeah, Jason Kidd did that. You're welcome Denver.

>At some point I will have Dale ellis in, when Nash breaks down
>the D, Dale one of the best shooters ever will be there to hit
>the shot.

Unless the Rifleman brings his actual gun to the game, he's getting murked first thing. Vlade Divac, Paul Silas, or Tayshaun could all handle that kid. Non-issue.

>Oh wait I still have Ralph Sampson, who before he was injured
>was a beast. In his prime years he avgds 20, 10 and 2 with
>about 2 blocks and despite his 7'4 height he had the ability
>to play 4. So if I want to run up the score, I put Sampson in
>at 4, and have him score over Kemp who isnt exactly known as a
>defensive juggernaut.

Like I said, Vlade is obviously not above doing dirt. He's going for Sampson's knees first thing and we can all guess how that might turn out. Those things fucked themselves up, didn't even need any help really, imagine what they'll do with a little push in the wrong direction.

>Overall, the game plan is to take what is given. I have some
>of teh smartest most unselfish players in basketball history.
>Yea Rodman and Artest might be crazy, but they know how to
>play unselfish basketball. Sometimes worm was too unselfish.

It's true, the Worm was WAAAAY too unselfish when he gave us these:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119013/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168172/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211792/

I really wish he had kept them to himself. I really do. Has anyone else here seen "Cutaway"? I mean, MY GOD that movie sucks. It stars Stephen Baldwin people. The Worm couldn't even out-star-power the lowest of the lowly fucking Baldwins. Losing to a Baldwin = losing at life, man. Let's be real.

>Defensively we are one of the toughest teams, and nobody is
>gonna call this team soft.
>We will make every shot hard to come by and we will also getin
>your heads.

Wait, hold on, I'm gonna do it ... YOU'RE TEAM IS SOFT. That's right, the Boston Strangler, Vlade "The Big Dirty" Divac, Paul "Can't Hide the Bitchinyoo" Silas, Jason "Slap-Happy" Kidd, the Long Arm of the Law, Larry Legend, and Shawn Motherfuckin' Kemp will have no problems here. I recognize Artest is gully (I mean, he did choose #93 for the Souls of Mischief -- respect) but outside of Ron Ron and the Cap this team is getting lit the fuck up. Again, Rodman played second fiddle to Stephen Baldwin. I wish I could forget it, too, but those are the facts.

>Firstly, no comment on what bshelly said about Kareem, except
>"don't watch me, watch tv" (c) Juelz.
>
>
>>Keep in mind in head to head. Kareem is a rookie, so this
>>wasnt even his peak. But then size wise, Kareem (already the
>>leagues most consistent low post scorer ever had 5 inches of
>>height on Willis. And then we still havent gotten into the
>>development of his sky hook yet. Willis was a good talent
>who
>>played hard and made the most of his abilities. Kareem was a
>>next world type of talent. At the time he was NYC's most
>>fabled player, and later became one of the greatest college
>>centers ever at UCLA, and ALWAYS lived up to all the hype he
>>got.
>
>I just wanna say that I'm not certain those Kareem goggles are
>really above the belt when the street fight starts. I mean, I
>guess if Willis can bust him a good one in his eye he might
>make the things splinter and blind ol' boy, but he might also
>just fuck his hand up and have the blow glance off. Either
>way I'd say that silly goggles are NOT what's hot in the
>street, but whatever, I've already said Kareem is taking this
>match-up in a walk. I mean dude is in part responsible for
>Airplane!, that's pretty unfuckwittable.

^^^ I win
>
>>pf vs pf-
>>Now this is a bit trickier...Both kemp and Worm matched up
>in
>>real life during their careers. As Athletic as Kemp was, he
>>was sometimes soft/lacking heart, and having a guy like
>rodman
>>there to constantly be in his head will take him out of his
>>game. If im not mistaken, by Kemp's peak years he already
>had
>>multiple children out of wedlock, Trust the worm would be
>>there to remind him. Kemp my try to call worm a "faggot" but
>>the beauty of worm is he could give a fuck what you call
>him.
>>And if theres one guy whos athleticism/heart could matchup
>>with Kemp, it was Rodman. i dont think anyone can deny what
>an
>>incredible athlete Worm was. He was strong enough to battle
>>with kemp inside, and agile enough to challenge his ugly
>>jumpshot.
>
>Like I said, Shawn Kemp lives to do one thing, and one thing
>only, and that's dunk the basketball. To help fuel his hunger
>we intend to keep him away from any and all rims for at least
>a month prior to the match-up, meaning he's gonna be fiending
>to throw the ball through the hole come tip-off. Anybody
>getting in his way is in trouble.

^^^ you know damn well Rodman will find a way to stop Kemp. Now Kemp might get a dunk or 2 in, but after that, he will find a way to bite, dick gran, ass slap, undercut, on the low and frustrate the hell out of kemp. If it comes down to it, Rodman is gonna white a little blow on his elbow between the 1st and 2nd quarter then hit Kemp in the nose with that same elbow. Kemp will get a taste of that blow and not know what to do the rest of the game.
>
>Admittedly, this strategy might backfire as Kemp just starts
>eating a few pounds of ribs every day, doing tons of blow, and
>fathering 15-20 kids on the side, but we're willing to take
>our chances.

^^^took chance and lost due to elBLOW given by rodman


>>sf vs sf-Larry Bird vs Pippen. This matchup I will focus
>more
>>on the defensive end because Bird was no doubt an offensive
>>juggernaut. They never really faced in both of their primes,
>>but If theres one dude who could contain Bird in the NBA of
>>that era it would be Pippen. Pippen had teh athleticism and
>>long arms to frustrate bird and challenge his jumpshot.
>>Inside, he was just as strong, and definitely a smart
>player.
>>The only thing id tell pipp was to watch for headfakes and
>not
>>to get caught up in foul trouble. On the other end of the
>>floor Pippen would be to quick for bird. At times I would
>have
>>Pippen handle the ball so that bird could chase him around
>and
>>this would help wear out Bird's legs.
>
>Larry Legend is unstoppable. If need be, we'll quietly ask
>the Sports Guy to sneak into the opposing locker room with his
>press pass and slip some laxative (or maybe worse) into Pip's
>drink, because even though it would mean throwing the Sports
>Guy's career and reputation away, I think it's safe to assume
>his man-crush on Bird and everything Boston would easily
>inspire him to do the deed all the same.
>
>Not only would this save Bird from Pippen, it would save OKP
>from the stupid weekly Sports Guys posts. This is really a
>win-win all around.

^^^^^ Wrong Pippen is BLACK. Sportsguy and anyone trying to help BAD DAD WILL get murked by Basaglia and Scoop Jackson. If theres one white man in this world that scoop could easily handle, it would be Basaglia.
"Hey Sportsguy can I have your autograph?"- Basaglia
"sure kid, got a a pen?"-Sportsguy
::hands Sportsguy Black Pen:::"
"yes here's a BLACK PEN, cracka"- Basaglia ::looks into sportsguys eyes::
::sports guys head starts to spin from realization of all his years of cism and bad sports articles:::
*enter barry bonds*
:::barry bonds takes Black bat to side of sportsguys head:::
::sportsguys head explodes:::

^^^I win^^^
P.S. you wouldve poisoned the wrong guy because I had Pip disguised as Shock G in the Locker Room.

>

>>sg vs sg-D. Wade vs Tayshaun Prince. This is the matchup we
>>have the privilege of seeing. I dont know what coach Shelly
>>was thinking. maybe he thought I had Kobe instead of Wade.
>BUt
>>wade always frustrates tayshaun. In a matchup earlier this
>>year, Tay even questioned why flip saunders left him on wade
>>when it obviously wasnt working (ask Pistons fan JBoogs).
>Wade
>>is too explosive for Tay and his change of direction breaks
>>Tay's stilty legs. On defense They will try and post Tay
>>up..but hey if you have bird, reed and kemp and you settle
>for
>>a Tay post up, Ill take it everytime.
>
>"Long Arm of the Law" >>>>> "Flash" and I really like the
>Flash nickname.
^^^Owned as usual...ask bshelly why hes still guarding Dwade.
>
>Otherwise, no comment.
>
>>pg vs pg-Now this was a matchup i contemplated, I almost
>>started Ron Ron and let wade play pg. for this
>game....because
>>of Nash's perceived defensive deficiencies, but then i was
>>like nah. Kidd is gonna create for his team, but he is not a
>>scorer. Im sure shelly will try to refer to this recent
>>nets/suns game, but throughout their careers, they have been
>>pretty evenly matched. If kidd beats any of my guys, I have
>>the best defenders PIPPEN, Rodman and 11 time all defensive
>>team KAreem to Come ove rto help. IMO nash is not the worst
>>defender you can have, He is smart and knows where to push
>his
>>man. It just so happens that the last 2 teams he has played
>>for havent had teh best defensive philosophy (see suns when
>>nashis oput or dallas when nash left). Cats like steve
>francis
>>and marbury get burned by other pgs all the time too. On
>>offense, nash is gonna create havoc by driving to the hoop
>and
>>finding people. Kidd is a good defender, but he cant stay in
>>front of nash all the time. Hey if Nash has any problems, I
>>put Wade in at PG, Pippen at Sf and Artest in at SG. And we
>>grind it out
>
>Let's take a moment to remember a one-time All-Star, a
>multiple Finals competitor, a once hot-commodity in the NBA by
>the name of Kenyon Martin. Remember that guy? The guy with
>the big contract, shit game, shitty numbers, and an even
>shittier nickname (I mean, KMart?) that Denver is now stuck
>with? Yeah, Jason Kidd did that. You're welcome Denver.

^^^right because kmarts knee injuries have had nothing to do with his demise. Look at his numbers when hes healthy. And lets not forget what Steve nash has done to help make teamates in Phx better.

When was the last time Jaque Vaugn made a jumpshot as a result of a kidd pass?
yet Tim thomas can coem in and make more jumpshots than vaugn has all season.


>
>>At some point I will have Dale ellis in, when Nash breaks
>down
>>the D, Dale one of the best shooters ever will be there to
>hit
>>the shot.
>
>Unless the Rifleman brings his actual gun to the game, he's
>getting murked first thing. Vlade Divac, Paul Silas, or
>Tayshaun could all handle that kid. Non-issue.
>
>>Oh wait I still have Ralph Sampson, who before he was
>injured
>>was a beast. In his prime years he avgds 20, 10 and 2 with
>>about 2 blocks and despite his 7'4 height he had the ability
>>to play 4. So if I want to run up the score, I put Sampson
>in
>>at 4, and have him score over Kemp who isnt exactly known as
>a
>>defensive juggernaut.
>
>Like I said, Vlade is obviously not above doing dirt. He's
>going for Sampson's knees first thing and we can all guess how
>that might turn out. Those things fucked themselves up,
>didn't even need any help really, imagine what they'll do with
>a little push in the wrong direction.

^^wrong we took Vlade's cigarettes before the game and he couldnt function.
Plus we had Rodman and Pipps old buddy Toni kukoc come in and blame Vlade and the Serbs for the Yugoslavian civil war (which is a very sensitive subject to vlade) so he broke down crying. Nothing is below our team, sorry.

Also Ralph in his prime had no problems withhis knees.
>
>>Overall, the game plan is to take what is given. I have some
>>of teh smartest most unselfish players in basketball
>history.
>>Yea Rodman and Artest might be crazy, but they know how to
>>play unselfish basketball. Sometimes worm was too unselfish.
>
>It's true, the Worm was WAAAAY too unselfish when he gave us
>these:
>
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0119013/
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0168172/
>http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0211792/
>
>I really wish he had kept them to himself. I really do. Has
>anyone else here seen "Cutaway"? I mean, MY GOD that movie
>sucks. It stars Stephen Baldwin people. The Worm couldn't
>even out-star-power the lowest of the lowly fucking Baldwins.
>Losing to a Baldwin = losing at life, man. Let's be real.
>
^^^when you diss Jean Claude Van Damme you dis yourself


>>Defensively we are one of the toughest teams, and nobody is
>>gonna call this team soft.
>>We will make every shot hard to come by and we will also
>getin
>>your heads.
>
>Wait, hold on, I'm gonna do it ... YOU'RE TEAM IS SOFT.
>That's right, the Boston Strangler, Vlade "The Big Dirty"
>Divac, Paul "Can't Hide the Bitchinyoo" Silas, Jason
>"Slap-Happy" Kidd, the Long Arm of the Law, Larry Legend, and
>Shawn Motherfuckin' Kemp will have no problems here. I
>recognize Artest is gully (I mean, he did choose #93 for the
>Souls of Mischief -- respect) but outside of Ron Ron and the
>Cap this team is getting lit the fuck up. Again, Rodman
>played second fiddle to Stephen Baldwin. I wish I could
>forget it, too, but those are the facts.

^^^A team with Vlade the Flop Divac is tough? hmmm

W5 and L5

-Isiah
-Moncrief
-English
-Hayes
-Bellamy

Safonix' team has a significant size advantage at the guard spots, so we'd have to play quite a bit of zone to exploit their most apparent weakness. Perimeter shooting. Force them to hit shots from the outside. On offense, we'd try use our speed to get some transition buckets with Isiah leading the break. In half court sets, it'd be a a heavy dose of English, curling around screens and hitting the open shot. Off the bench, we'd pick things up even more with Michael Ray, AD and Dwight Howard. I can see a small lineup of Zeke, Richardson, Dantley, English and Howard causing them some fits. The key to victory would be containing Hakeem, and with 3 big men, all of varying body type and defensive styles, that should be quite attainable.

1. Gary Payton
2. Grant Hill
3. Bobby Jones
4. Bob Pettit
5. Hakeem Olajuwon


Bench:Tracy Mcgrady, Bob Lanier, Mark Jackson

PG - Isiah Thomas vs. Gary Payton:

Great match-up. 2 of the all-time greatest pgs in league history. At first glance one might believe Thomas might have the upper hand, but that is not entirely true at all. Theres not much difference between the two at all if you were to analyze the match-up. What matters really is the people who you surround these 2 great pgs with and i believe I have the better team of the two. Offensively theres not much divided. Isiah is faster and is probably the better penetrator out of the two, which is fine by me, cause he will run into the leading shot blocker in the history of the game. Gary will use his size to exploit this match-up because he is one of the greatest post up point guards in the history of the game. Both are great shooters but Gary has a little more range. Defensively is where this match-up will be determined. Isiah is no slouch defensively but Gary has him beat here. Gary was a great on the ball defender and they don't call him the glove for nothing. They are both great floor generals and great leaders which every team needs. I honestly think this match-up can go either way but I believe because i can exploit their size differential I have the upper hand.

Advantage: Can go either way

SG - Sidney Moncrief vs. Grant Hill:

Another good match-up. I don't believe this match-up is up for discussion really though. I imagine my opponent will tell you otherwise. He will say how Moncrief is a great defensive player and is a better offensive player then most people give him credit for. I dont disagree with that statement. Lets analyze this match-up. You might believe Hill is out of position, but i beg to differ. Grant could play the 1-3 even the 4 and he would play these position using his head. His skills were often greater then his opponent but he would know how to exploit his match-ups, thats what made him so great. he was too quick for small forwards and too big for shooting guards. Today he will play shooting guard his 6'8 frame vs. 6'3 moncrief. Theres only so much Sidney can do but there is no way he can handle the post up game that hill contains. Plus factor that in with Hills pg like mentality and hes finding the open man every time down court. Defensively, I can play man to man and give Moncrief room to shoot, because stats show that he was an awful 3 point shooter, hell i might even challenge their guards shooting ability and play zone. Thomas best 3 point shooting was 33% and Moncrief was 32% and thats his starting backcourt. Zone defense it will be.

Advantage: Hill. Without a doubt.

SF - Alex English vs. Bobby Jones

Great, Great match-up. The ol' offense vs. defense. I don't really have to say much. Alex English is a great scorer and thats about it. I like my match-up here though. Actually I love it. I have the greatest neutrilizer to his best offensive force. Thats 8 straight all first team defensive player Bobby Jones (10 in total) . All Bobby has to do is defend. Offensively, I have enough forces. Defensively i could not ask for anything better. You best believe Bobby's long frame will bother English. English is a great scorer. Bobby wont shut him down, but if he can make him take tough shots and shoot a horrid number then hes done his job which i have no doubt in my mind that he can do. Like i said, you have to ask yourself, defense vs. offense. More times then not, defense is triumphant and this case is evident to that.

Advantage: Bobby Jones

PF - Elvin Hayes vs. Bob Pettit

Good match-up: Pettit is one of the greatest PFs in the history of the game. Yes he played in the old, old school era, but don't take anything away from that. Stats dont lie and neither does his credentials. 10 time all-nba, 11 time all-star and 2 time MVP and this was during the Russel era. Now thats impressive. Only a couple of players can say they have done that, and Hayes is not one of them. Pettit is the superior rebounder and scorer. I wont be asking Pettit to score much, but because of his rebounding ability I expect offensive rebounds and put backs. He should also be open to shoot the 15 footer from double teams to Payton and Hill.

Advantage: Bob Pettit

C - Walt Bellamy vs. Hakeem Olajuwon

It's a match-up, but that about it. Olajuwon is a top 3 centre of all-time defensively and offensively. Theres not much i can really say here. I like the match-up in my favour alot. My offense is going to revolve around Payton, Hill and Olajuwon. Pettit will be called upon from time to time aswell. But theres really not much i can say here. I have not seen Bellamy play, just seen his stats and Olajuwon is superior to him in all categories.

Advantage: Olajuwon, in a landslide.

Bench - Adrian Dantley, Micheal Ray Richardson, Dwight Howard vs.
Mark Jackson, Tracy Mcgrady, Bob Lanier

Good Bench vs. Bench match-up but I believe i built my bench better then he built his. First of all Howard does not belong in this competition and if my opponent opposes, he can face Hakeem or Lanier can show the rook some moves in the post. I believe I have the best players in my bench which is Bob Lanier, not only that, but hes a big man hall of famer. I could play Lanier at PF or C. I got great role players coming off my bench. Tracy Mcgrady will also be my super sub for instant scoring. And Mark Jackson will do what he is good at, and that is be a floor general. He isnt the second leading assist man for nothing you know. And again he is also one of the greatest post point guards in history. His bench is very suspect to me. The Dwight Howard pick i have no comment for, it truely speaks for itself. I guess he will have Richardson playing backup point but I still believe it was a poorly constructed bench. Hes got no size whatsoever. The SF slot looks very suspect unless he plans on playing English the whole 48 minutes which is fine by me. The players are not the fault, but the fact remains, it was just a poorly constructed bench for this team, and thats that.

Advantage: Mcgrady, Lanier, Jackson


:::::::::::GAMEPLAN:::::::::::

My gameplan is simple really. Exploit matchups. He has a small backcourt I will be posting them up every half court set. And as soon as he goes to his bench, more trouble will follow. The Centre match up favours me heavily aswell too, so look for Hakeem to get Bellamy into foul trouble early. As soon as Howard enters the game, game over.

Defensively, I got Defensive Player of the Year at PG, SF and C. What more can i ask for really? I will play zone aswell, because this teams outside shooting is very suspect. As I have stated, 33% and 32% from his respective PG and SG.

Mcgrady will be my super sub for instant scoring and his post up abilities will definetly be used on whoever is guarding him. Mcgradys 6'9 frame will cause huge problems for his SF, SG. Lanier will be great in giving Hakeem breathers and i will also play Lanier and Olajuwon together if the Pettit match-up does not suit up. Mark Jackson, will be Mark Jackson. Look for the scorers, defend and be a leader of the bench. At first I thought this might be a tough match-up for my team, but this might actually be a blowout. In any case, my team will be the more dominant using our size and strength.

Outcome: My team wins by at 5-10 points at least.

Alot of bs in here. Let's sift thru the good stuff.

>PG - Isiah Thomas vs. Gary Payton:
>Advantage: Can go either way

No. It's advantage Isiah, and you know it. 3 inches means nothing. Isiah is one of the toughest SOB's to play the game. As good as Payton is defensively, he's not slowing down Zeke. Noone could. On offense, fine, attempt to post up. We'll double and force you to kick it out to your non-existent permiter players.

Adv: Isiah

>
>SG - Sidney Moncrief vs. Grant Hill:>
>Advantage: Hill. Without a doubt.

Oh, there's doubt. Hill at the 2 is not a good look in the first place. The 1 or 3 I could see, but not the two. He had decent range, but nothing to worry me too much. Also, Moncrief is 6'4", not 6'3", and very strong, certainly stronger than Hill. He was a crafty defender that would get in your ass, and frustrate players to no end. A guy like Hill would be mince meat against Moncrief. Here's a quote from #23. Michael Jordan once told the Los Angeles Times, "When you play against Moncrief, you're in for a night of all-around basketball. He'll hound you everywhere you go, both ends of the court. You just expect it."

With all that said, I'll give you the nod with the out of position Hill, because in his prime, he was a superb talent. But dont think for a second he'd have it easy. If so, go watch some old Bucks footage and smarten up.

Adv: Hill

>SF - Alex English vs. Bobby Jones
>Advantage: Bobby Jones

This is where the hilarity begins. Lmao @"Alex English is a great scorer and thats about it." That's about it?!? That's about it. The guy poured in 25 per for 8 straight years. "That's about it" Funny stuff. For the record though, he also averaged nearly 6 boards and 4 dimes. As for Jones. Ummmm, he played a little D, and "that's about it". No, really though, he was obviously a good defender, though he could definitely be beaten. Here's a quote of his in regards to guarding Dr. J in the ABA Finals. "He worries me to death, I'm thinking about him right now". Wow. Quite the intimidator. Dr. J went on to average nearly 40 per in that series. No, English isnt Dr. J, but he was an unbelievable scorer. Factor in that Jones wasnt much on offense, and there shouldnt be much question.

Though I love the convenience of the argument "more times then not, defense is triumphant and this case is evident to that" working in this case, but not with Moncrief/Hill. Very convinient.

Adv: English

>PF - Elvin Hayes vs. Bob Pettit>
>Advantage: Bob Pettit

More absolute hilarity. Advantage Pettit? Riiiiiiiight. A white lanky 6'9" 210 pound guy who retired just as Wilt came up over the much bigger, much stronger Hayes who played with the best at their best? Sure, Petitt had nice numbers......in the 50's. You want numbers? Try 27,000 points, 16,000 rebounds and missing only 9 games in 16 seasons.

Adv: Big E. I mean, seriously. A little objectivity never hurt.

>
>C - Walt Bellamy vs. Hakeem Olajuwon
>Advantage: Olajuwon, in a landslide.

I'll concede the matchup, because Bellamy just continues to be slept on somethin awful. This quote about sums his career up. "He is forgotten by some as one of the game's dominating big men, but Walt Bellamy had his moments in the sun, despite playing in the shadows of contemporaries Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell." For someone big on numbers, you should appreciate he's one of 7 players in history to go to for 20,000 points and 14,000 boards. (One of the others is his frontcourt mate)
But yea, I'll concede it to Hakeem, but dont think Walt will make things easy for the Dream.

Adv: Hakeem

>Bench - Adrian Dantley, Micheal Ray Richardson, Dwight Howard
>vs.
>Mark Jackson, Tracy Mcgrady, Bob Lanier>
>Advantage: Mcgrady, Lanier, Jackson

Hilarity continues. Few things. Howard in only is his second year is a beast with freakish athleticsm. He's here only to spell the towers (Hayes and Bellamy) and will do a fine job doing so. Lanier was fine, but very slow and plodding. Mark Jackson vs Michael Ray?? Not even close. In his prime, Richardson was considered one of the greatest PG's EVER, and is still regarded by some as one of the best. You'll never hear that said about Mark Jackson.

On to some more laughable comments from you.

"Hes got no size whatsoever"

Hayes, Howard and Bellamy. English and AD are both big 3's. Michael Ray is a 6'5" point. You on the other hand, have no perimeter game, and are lacking speed something serious.

And finally:

"The SF slot looks very suspect unless he plans on playing English the whole 48 minutes which is fine by me."

Umm, have you NOT heard of Adrian Dantley, another one of the greatest scorers of the 80's. Apparently not. And T-Mac?? Ehh, if this were an all star game with no physical contact, I might be worried.

Adv: Push

So, in the end, you're on advantage is a bit of size in the backcourt, althought I can easily counter with Richardson if need be. You claim my bench was constructed poorly, but it's actually no different than yours. PG, SF, C. I've got plenty of offense with Isiah, AD, English and the bigs, and have some all world defenders as well with Moncrief, Hayes and Bellamy. You seem unable to be objective, but I will be. This a very even matchup, and the key would probably be which team could play best together....as a team. I'll leave that to the judges, but I like my chances.

W6 and L6

G-Hal Greer
G-George Gervin
F-James Worthy
F-Karl Malone
C-Moses Malone

PG Jerry "Mr Logo" West
SG Clyde "The Glide" Drexler
SF Shawn "The Matrix" Marion
PF David "The Admiral" Robinson
C Brad Daugherty
^^^^^What you know about that^^^^^

C – Moses Malone may be more athletic than my starting center Brad Daugherty but Brad has the advantage in overall height, wingspan, and girth. At 7’0 265+ pounds Daugherty can use his size and agility to post up Malone or negate some of his interior
defense by making him come out and defend Daugherty’s consistent jumpshot. On D, Brad has the size to bang under the basket with Moses Malone and with weak side help provided by one of the leagues greatest shot blockers David Robinson and one of the most athletic SF’s to play the game, our interior defense should be scrappy enough to make it along night for Malone and Co.

PF - Again, David Robinsons versatility allows him to play either the 4 or the 5 position much as he did during the Spurs championship runs next to Tim Duncan. Robinson is agile enough to follow Malone outside for patented baseline jumpshot and his height creates problems when Malone tries to post. As a legitimate 7 footer I truly feel we can control the backboard. On offense David Robinson was one of the premier scoring centers of his day once scoring 71pts in a game so that goes without saying how much of a scoring threat this all time great center is. Whether its his right baseline jumpshot or his sweeping one hander David Robinson is too much for Karl Malone to handle with. See Malone vs Tim Duncan in Western Conference finals for reference.

SF – I will be the first to admit this match up maybe one of the most intriguing, Shawn Marion vs James Worthy. Both players are exceptional in the open floor but I think Marion is a better overall defender with his long arms (wingspan of a 7 footer) and his out the world vertical ability. I also think I have the advantage in the Rebound column and in 3pt field goals made.

SG – Clyde the Glyde and the Ice Man are almost mirror images of each other. Both are great scorers and proven winners that like to get to the basket first and shoot the jumpshot second. I gotta give this one a wash.

PG – Mr. Logo “Jerry West” one of the first great scorers in the game. He is an Exceptional outside shooter, ball handler and floor general. A defensive nightmare because his motor never stops. Can get out and run and score in transition with his patented stop and pop or can score in the half court set. Teams will have to gear their whole defensive scheme to keep this guy from dropping 40 on their head and with wing players such as drexler and marion, it only adds fuel to the fire

Bench – Versatility, versatility, versatility. We have an exceptional backup pg in Tim hardaway who is a proven leader himself as he has orchestrated championship caliber teams at Miami and Golden state. He can score with ease, shoot the three and was one of the leading assist man during his tenure. Dirk Nowitzki is long and a pure jump shooter. At 7 feet he can shoot over most PF in the game. Knows hot to create contact and get to the stripe and contributes about 9 boards a game. The X man is everything you want out of a blue collar player except he is actually skilled. Will come in and guard the 2, 3, and 4 positions and send the opponent home with an ice pack. Think dennis rodman with a scorers mentality at 20 and 10 during his glory years

Defensive Gameplan..

My starting guards will play man straight up against West and Drexler....Hal Greer guarded Jerry West many times during their career and was considered very much on the same level as West and Robertson at the time. The fact that neither West nor Greer are true point guards will cancel out any ball handling problems. George Gervin will start on Clyde Drexler. Although they are the same height, Drexler is slightly quicker, and this may result in some adjustments. Being that Shawn Marion is not really a threat from the outside, and he and George Gervin are the same height basiclly, I may put James Worthy on Drexler, and Gervin on Shawn Marion for periods of time.

I would have Karl Malone guard Brad Daughtery, and Moses Malone guard David Robinson. The reason for this is that we are going to run some very aggressive trapping defenses with Karl Malone being the main guy to bring double teams and traps. Daughtery is less of an offensive threat than David Robinson, so having Karl be the helper is the best move. Moses Malone is a physical low post defender and will not require help guarding David Robinson. It’s believed that if Moses begins to abuse Robinson on the board, and in the post...Robinson will become less of a factor.

Regarding my substitutions, I will utilize a smaller, quicker line up at times that will play some pressing defense. With Gus Williams, and Hal Greer in the backcourt, this will add to the quickness.


Offensive gameplan

With the aggressive style of defense, this team is going to try and push the ball as much as possible. Both Hal Greer and Gus Williams are guards who are efficient and can lead fast breaks....and with two of the best wing finishers in the game in Karl Malone, and James Worthy, this team will run. 2 of the greatest rebounders, and outlet passers in Karl Malone, and Moses Malone, we’re going to break as much as possible.

In the half court offense, we’re going to run a lot of High-Low’s, and pick and rolls. Every player in my starting 5 is very efficient in the low post. With Moses Malone being one of the most dominant post players ever, this will allow Karl Malone to roam, set picks, play facing the basket, and shooting jumpers. George Gervin is really the only “ball-dominating” offensive player on my team, and his size will be an advantage. My primary 3 point shooters are Gervin, and Gus Williams, with Karl Malone, and James Worthy taking open 3’s when needed. Hal Greer will attempt to penetrate as much as possible relying on his outstanding midrange game, and his success at getting big guys the ball down low (ala his years with Wilt). James Worthy and George Gervin will be the primary Isolation players due to their ability to take guys off the dribble.

My goal would be to pound the ball inside to Moses Malone, allow him to dominate..get offensive rebounds, and get to the free throw line. Again, we feel that Daughtery and Robinson can be worn down by the stronger Malone brothers.

As far as the Subs....Gus Williams is my change of pace guard....scorer with great effeciency and scoring ability. Bob McAdoo will play some small forward, power forward or even center. And when he comes in the game, he’s going to shoot the ball, and will get bigger players away from the basket, and post up smaller players. The YOUNG Arvydas Sabonis will get time, causing incredible mismatches due to his 7’3 frame, his quickness, passing and scoring ability. We plan on using what we call a WWF lineup with The Malone brother, and Sabonis on the court at the same time. Although big, that is still a very athletic lineup. I would have no qualms about having Karl guard Marion.


Basiclly, we’re going to apply a great deal of pressure, and push the ball whenever possible. Substitute freely to stay fresh. In the half court game, pound the ball inside...get to the paint, finish or kick it out to Gervin, or any of the other great scorers.

W7 and L7

Walter Clyde Frazier
Bernard King
Elgin Baylor
Buck Williams
Robert Parrish

1. Nate Archibald
2. Julius Erving
3. Ray Allen
4. Dominique Wilkins
5. George Mikan

98.6
Nate Archibald
Julius Erving
Ray Allen
Dominique Wilkins
George Mikan


Hustlas
Walter Clyde Frazier
Bernard King
Elgin Baylor
Buck Williams
Robert Parrish



C - Mikan vs Parrish would be a good one on one match up Basically both are post up players. With Mikan being able to shoot with either hand and Parrish being able to hit the 12-15 footer. Parrish gets the advantage here because he's more of a shot blocker and I believe him to be more agile than Mikan.

PF- Dominique Wilkins playing power forward against Buck Williams is an interesting matchup on the perimeter with Dominique being able to face Buck Williams up to the basket but running into trouble with Parrish backing Williams up in the lane. On the offensive end, Buck easily posts up Nique and also cleans up on the offensive and defensive boards.

SF- Julius Erving and Elgin Baylor both show tremendous skills and moves on the offensive end. In the 4th quarter tho, Elgins teamates advise him to play off Doc and give him the jumper which he has trouble hitting. Elgin on the other end demands a double team where his shooting guard Bernrd King is often left wide open.

SG- Option 1 -Bernard King beasts up on Ray Allen early posting him up in the lane. Ray Allen retorts with a series of deep 3s, but in the 4th qtr. King really begins to take over this matchup posting Allen and wearing him down and into foul trouble.

PG- Clyde Frazier runs the offensive fluidly commanding the #1 option the pick and roll with Bernard King. Clyde is able to find the open man or hit the open jumper. Being 6-4 he is able to also post up Tiny in the lane and command the double team to hit either Elgin or Bernard for the wide open jumper.


Bench - the Hustlas will bring Michael Cooper off the bench to guard either Julius or Ray Allen. His 6-8 frame allows him to extend into the lane or either
be a good defender against Allens jumper. Coop also comes off the bench providing the 3 point spark when he replaces King at the 2 guard or Elgin at the small forward. Darryl Dawkins is able to offset the finnesse of the starting front line with some power and aggressive tactics almost being bullish toward Yao ming. Marques Johnson comes off the bench as a 3rd scoring option and a good passer at the forwrd position late in games putting offensive pressure on backup Larry Johnson getting him in foul trouble.


Summary- With Elgins and Bernards scoring and Coops and Parrishes defensive pressure, Bucks tireless rebounding, the Hustlas win this half court battle. Bernard King is just
to physical for Ray Allen.

W8 and L8

center:: Theo Ratliff
power forward:: Rasheed Wallace
small forward:: Peja Stoyakovic
shooting guard:: Kobe Bryant
point guard:: Allen Iverson

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got to go modern.
ratliff will have to eat every little layup he sees.
this line-up is lights out.
going forth with the argument that we see today the NBA's best players...

PG - Stockton
SG - Barry
SF - Rice
PF - Duncan
C - Mutombo

I just spend a while writing the game-plan and I inbox'ed it to bigpo already, and I predicted a different starting line-up (I mean, you're starting fucking Ratliff? And Peja? Are you mad?) so that might be fucked up. Oh well.

If I HAD known you were starting them, though, I would have predicted my team winning even worse than that. I mean Peja man? You're crazy.

But i can see thsi shit taking forever...if we dont set a deadline...


lets say thursday at 11pm EST.

If you dont send in your strategy, or come up with a valid excuse... you forfeit your game

>But i can see thsi shit taking forever...if we dont set a
>deadline...
>
>
>lets say thursday at 11pm EST.
>
>If you dont send in your strategy, or come up with a valid
>excuse... you forfeit your game

PG - Iverson
SG - Bryant
SF - Stoyakovic
PF - Wallace
C - Ratliff

VS.

PG - Stockton
SG - Barry
SF - Rice
PF - Duncan
C - Mutombo

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my main focus will be isolating iverson on stockton and bryant on barry. these are the NBA's premier scorers and time has proven that nobody can guard them without double teaming. if u doble team one, the other is going to be open. having both as starters probably will make the other team zone a lot which is just fine because four of the starters can hit the 3 ball with relative consistency.

the second option rasheed wallace will probably be working hard on both ends of the floor defending and scoring on duncan. to mix it up a bit and get more space in the middle some plays will have to be designed so that duncan will have to come out of the paint to defend a trailing rasheed wallace who will be looking to drain a timely 3 pointer.

of course the battle of the boards will come down to the bigger body at the center position (ratliff is stronger, but mutumbo is longer) and lets face it, neiher mutumbo or ratliff are prolific scorers so the main job of ratliff would be to alter shots and to match up with mutumbo's rebounding ability. ratliff will have to emplore a tenacious box out scheme to get the skinnier and older mutumbo out of the paint area.

overall, my team will be focusing on spreading the half court offense and isolating mutumbo in the paint area to draw fouls to get him out early and to eliminate any sense of help defense. stoyakovic's height advantage should make the hoop look like an easy target from 3 pointer land and artis gilmore's 20-10 coming off the bench should help the team stay big and consistent in the middle. most of the scoring will probably be done on fastbreak outlet passes which is just a factor of speed and offensive talent. with iverson and kobe running the show there wont be a shortage of offensive splurts and high octane highlight reel material.

my team will be looking to push the tempo against a visibly slower and older team with less scoring ability. the key is to demoralize their squad early and then after developing a suitable lead, the bigs will come off the bench and basically make their squad depend on jump shots. Walton will basically be in games to send a clear message that nobody will come into the paint without getting bruised up and arizin will play the role of spot and drop in key situations.

final score::
low2behold- 110
celery77- 87

>my main focus will be isolating iverson on stockton and bryant
>on barry. these are the NBA's premier scorers and time has
>proven that nobody can guard them without double teaming. if u
>doble team one, the other is going to be open. having both as
>starters probably will make the other team zone a lot which is
>just fine because four of the starters can hit the 3 ball with
>relative consistency.

The odds of me running a zone are slim, as I don't really think Kobe or AI's jumpers are going to beat me, although I'm sure they'll try by heaving every chance they get.

I'm more than fine with man defense. We'll let AI, a career .421% shooter, take his jumpshots. And as bad as that percentage is, let's not forget he's .402% career in the playoffs. Simply put, my team is not losing to AI's jumper as long as it's a 7-game series. His speed and driving ability will be largely contained by Duncan, Deke, and Wallace, three of the premiere shot blockers in the modern NBA. Lest we forget his career 3.72 TOs a game, I'll gladly remind everyone that should also be a factor as AI repeatedly drives himself into trouble and tries to find the open shooter. They won't be getting that many possessions, and AI has not always been the one to make each touch count. The more the ball is in his hands, the more they play into my gameplan.

Kobe will likely require double teams as opposed to big men backing up the paint, as his J can heat up very fast and he can get it on anyone. Since he's really starting Ratliff, I wouldn't feel too bad sending Mutombo on a DT because Theo isn't about to start lighting it up down low, and I wouldn't worry about the paint either because TD would still be home. In the 4th quarter it would be NO problem to send Horry or Rice over on a DT, because I am more than content giving Peja open looks come crunch time. Do you remember those bricks and airballs he was throwing up against LA in the WCF? Chris Webber's rep as a choke artist might have more to do with Peja than anything.

>the second option rasheed wallace will probably be working
>hard on both ends of the floor defending and scoring on
>duncan. to mix it up a bit and get more space in the middle
>some plays will have to be designed so that duncan will have
>to come out of the paint to defend a trailing rasheed wallace
>who will be looking to drain a timely 3 pointer.

Like I said, this is the same Wallace that Duncan won Finals MVP against, right? And even if Duncan is watching Sheed at the 3-pt line either Mutombo or the other Wallace will be home. My lane will always be well-protected.

>of course the battle of the boards will come down to the
>bigger body at the center position (ratliff is stronger, but
>mutumbo is longer) and lets face it, neiher mutumbo or ratliff
>are prolific scorers so the main job of ratliff would be to
>alter shots and to match up with mutumbo's rebounding ability.
>ratliff will have to emplore a tenacious box out scheme to get
>the skinnier and older mutumbo out of the paint area.

Besides the fact that Mutombo (14.1 rpg twice in his career, 10.9 rpg overall) would murder Ratliff (career best 8.3 rpg in '00-'01, 6.3 rpg career) on the glass alone, the boards will be decided by much more than Deke and Ratliff. Tim Duncan is one of the premiere rebounders in the modern game, same for Ben Wallace. Rice and Peja are basically a wash, but whenever he puts Arizin in it's going to be open season on the offensive glass. Let's not forget I have a SF starting at SG, either, who averaged 10.6 pulls a game his rookie year, and 6.5 rpg for his NBA career.

Walton and Gilmore would be much better rebounders, but as they're both on the bench and it would be a weird line-up to have both on the court at the same time, I think it's safe to say that Duncan, Wallace, or Deke could easily neutralize any of these guys.

>overall, my team will be focusing on spreading the half court
>offense and isolating mutumbo in the paint area to draw fouls
>to get him out early and to eliminate any sense of help
>defense. stoyakovic's height advantage should make the hoop
>look like an easy target from 3 pointer land and artis
>gilmore's 20-10 coming off the bench should help the team stay
>big and consistent in the middle. most of the scoring will
>probably be done on fastbreak outlet passes which is just a
>factor of speed and offensive talent. with iverson and kobe
>running the show there wont be a shortage of offensive splurts
>and high octane highlight reel material.

Fouls on Mutombo just means more PT for Ben Wallace, and like I said, my team is built for the 4th quarter so if it's ever a problem I can just tell them to not foul until it counts. Also, these guys aren't just thugs, they are PREMIERE defensive players in the NBA. They have the fundmentals to go with the athletic talent. There's reasons they've topped the block columns, anchored defenses, won DPOYs, been named All-Defense and all that. They erase shots with talent, not just pure thuggery (although we reserve the right to thuggery should the need arise).

Also, if his plan is to fast-break, it comes back to rebounds. It's going to take 5 guys to get the defensive rebounds against my squad. While Kobe and AI go flying up the court looking for passes there's going to be plenty of offensive boards for my guys, especially if Kobe is ditching Barry. Any team looking to clear out early on my squad is going to pay in extra possessions for my team and further wasted clock for the game. And seriously, it's a gift every time 6'4" Arizin hits the floor. John Stockton might be able to out-rebound that guy.

>my team will be looking to push the tempo against a visibly
>slower and older team with less scoring ability. the key is to
>demoralize their squad early and then after developing a
>suitable lead, the bigs will come off the bench and basically
>make their squad depend on jump shots. Walton will basically
>be in games to send a clear message that nobody will come into
>the paint without getting bruised up and arizin will play the
>role of spot and drop in key situations.
>
>final score::
>low2behold- 110
>celery77- 87

First of all, my team IS built to hit jumpshots. It's Rick "Coldest J Ever" Barry, Glen "I Love 3s Because I Don't Have to Go to the Post" Rice, John "Efficiency" Stockton, Robert "Leave Me in the 4th and I'll Take Your Champsionship" Horry, and Paul ".504% Career FG%" Westphal. This team is ALL about efficiency in the half-court, if that's his gameplan he's doing EXACTLY what I want.

And in all this he fails to address the hitch in his bench. Who's subbing in for Kobe and AI who are going to be running and gunning so much? I know these guys are used to big minutes, but between chasing Rick Barry, defending constant pick and rolls, running up and down the court per gameplan, and hogging the ball on every possession, where are they going to get a breather?

It's just another reason why the second half and in particular 4th quarters will belong to me. As Kobe and AI gasp for air on D my half-court set, with John Stockton pick and rolls with Barry working to get open every trip down the court, we will become that much more dominant. Peja's going to disappear, Horry's going to make every minute he plays count, my team loaded with high percentage FT shooters (aside from Ben Wallace, who can rest the 4th, my worst are Duncan and Deke at .702% and .683% career respectively, with highs of .799% and .747%) won't have any players to foul to earn extra possessions. With Ratliff starting and Arizin off the bench, the battle of the boards should HANDILY be in my favor for ALL 48 minutes.

I respect Kobe and AI's ability to steal games, and as AI showed against the Lakers a hot hand can happen to anyone, but in a 7-game series there's little question which team would control the games.

STARTING LINE-UP:

PG - JOHN STOCKTON
All-NBA 1st Team ('94, '95); All-NBA 2nd Team ('88, '89, '90, '92, '93, '96); All-NBA 3rd Team ('91, '97, '99), All-NBA Defensive 2nd Team ('89, '91, '92, '95, '97); 10-Time All-Star; Olympic Gold Medalist ('92, '96); one of NBA's 50 Greatest Players.

SG - RICK BARRY
Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (1987); NBA champion (1975); NBA Finals MVP (1975); All-NBA First Team (1966, '67, '74, '75, '76); All-NBA Second Team (1973); Rookie of the Year (1966); 8-time NBA All-Star; All-Star MVP (1967); One of NBA's 50 Greatest Players.

SF - GLEN RICE
3-Time All-Star; All-Star MVP (1997); NCAA Championship (1989); NBA Championship (1999).

PF - TIM DUNCAN
All-NBA 1st Team ('99-'05); All-NBA Defensive 1st Team ('99-'03, '05); NBA MVP ('02, '03), NBA Finals MVP ('99, '03, '05); 7-time NBA All-Star, NBA Champion ('99, '03, '05).

C - DIKEMBE MUTOMBO
NBA DPOY ('95, '97, '98, '01); 7-Time NBA All-Star.

BENCH:

PG/SG - PAUL WESTPHAL, All-NBA 1st Team ('77, '79, '80); 6-Time All-Star, NBA Finals Appearance ('76).

SF/PF - ROBERT HORRY, NBA Champion ('94, '95, '00, '01, '02, '05); Has appeared in the playoffs all 13 NBA seasons and has never been knocked out in the first round; Ranks third in NBA playoff history in games and ranks second in three-pointers made; Holds the NBA playoff record for the most 3PT-FG made without a miss connecting on 7-of-7 from downtown at Utah on 5/6/97; Set a Finals record for the highest 3PT-FG percentage in a seven-game series with a .484 (15-31) mark in 2005; Set the NBA Finals record for the most steals in a single game recording 7 at Orlando on 6/9/95.

PF/C - BEN WALLACE, NBA DPOY ('02, '03, '05) All-NBA 2nd Team ('03, '04); 4-Time All-Star.

OVERALL GAMEPLAN:

If you couldn't guess from the roster, this is a slow-down, half-court, defensive team. The offense really begins with the low-post threat of Tim Duncan. Stock and Timmy can pick and roll at almost any time and generate a good look for either one of them. If anyone is foolish enough to offer help, there is Rice and Barry spacing the floor just waiting to sink a jumper. Once Duncan has the ball in good position in the low-post it's as good as a made basket -- any help will be exploited because everyone (minus Mutombo) can hit a jumper, and any single coverage will be abused by The Big Fundamental. Once my team gets into its half-court set, it WILL generate buckets.

Also, let's not forget that there is a good amount of rebounding skill in every player (minus Stockton), especially matching up against low2behold. There will be PLENTY of offensive rebounds grabbed, and I'm perfectly okay with backing the ball out and setting up EVERY time I get one. If I have a 3-pt lead I might take a full minute on some possessions just to add two more points.

And the 4th quarter is mine. I could spot most teams 10 pts and still win the 4th. As long as I save my fouls I can completely disrupt any opposing offense when my team puts its mind to it, and with hot hands and deep threats like Rice, Horry, Barry, and Stockton I can DEFINITELY put runs together. If I DO have the lead in the 4th, it's as good as done. This is a possession oriented team that WILL milk clock and slow everything down. Most games will end in the 80s or 90s, I don't care how loaded these rosters are. The paint is going to be PAINFUL for the opposition in the 4th and I will NOT be taking shots with over 10 seconds on the shot clock.

We're basically a Bad Boys Pistons squad, only with better offense and a bigger, more athletic D. This IS the formula that kept Jordan from his first championships, recently upset the Lakers in 5 games after people were hollering about "Lakers in 3" and helped Tim Duncan earn 3 titles with minimal help. It's a proven winning formula, ESPECIALLY come playoff time.

MATCH-UPS:

STOCKTON v. AI -- While I respect that AI is a quick little motherfucker and can always grab himself some steals by jumping the passing lane, he's unfortunately going against one of the greatest passing PGs in the history of the NBA, if not THE greatest. John Stockton will not be turning the ball over, even if it is AI jumping the lanes. AI's on the ball D is nothing to get too worked up about either, so Stockton will pretty much have his way with this match-up on the offensive end.

On defense, AI will be able to get by Stockton, but he will be running into one of the biggest, most effective shot-blocking front lines in the entire competition, and we WILL be playing TEAM defense. The lane will not be kind to AI and he will be largely relegated to jump-shooting. His frustration will also lead to poorly advised jump-shooting. Stockton also happens to have more steals to his name than any player in NBA history, and he will surely be picking off his share of lazy and ill-conceived passes from AI. It's basically fundamentals v. insane streetball talent, and I'm going to pick fundamentals here.

BARRY v. KOBE -- Fine, Kobe will be able to score a few points.

Kobe will NOT be able to stop Rick Barry, though. Barry is my Super Rip Hamilton, he'll be running through screens on nearly every set and the slightest bit of separation means a made jumper off a Stockton dish. There's no good reason why Barry can't be getting 40 with Stockton feeding him the ball. This dude is bad, and I don't care, NO ONE in this competition can slow his game down, definitely not Kobe.

RICE v. ARIZIN -- Come on now. Here's a link to Arizin's bio:
http://www.nba.com/history/players/arizin_bio.html

He's small, he's slow, he plays the old game, and he is getting lit the FUCK UP by Glen Rice. It's 6'8" v. 6'4", Rice can shoot wherever and whenever he wants, and god forbid he takes the little kid into the low post. Rice will be making at least five 3-pters a game with this kid covering him. Any time we get tired of controlling the game through Duncan and Barry, Rice can step up and reel off 10 straight points without even trying.

DUNCAN v. WALLACE -- Is this the same Rasheed Wallace that a less than 100% Tim Duncan just won Finals MVP against? Oh, all right, I'm not too worried about it then.

MUTOMBO v. GILMORE -- We all know Mutombo isn't even really here to match up against the other Cs, but we also know that he's not about to get abused. Mutombo is going to hold his position, clean the glass, and make Gilmore work for each and every bucket. If he's ever in trouble 1-on-1 we can get the quick-handed Stockton in to help create TOs or we can have Duncan rotate to close down the lane. Gilmore might get 20, but he'll have to work hard for them, and it will just further feed into my slow-down tactics.

BENCH v. BENCH -- First of all, Walton and Ratliff are redundant. There's no good reason to put Theo on the floor unless Duncan has gotten the front-line in real trouble. And Peja Stojakavic? Are they really subbing him in for Kobe when Kobe is sucking air like it's going out of style after chasing Rick Barry like a madman for the past 20 minutes? And then Peja is gonna D someone? Rice, Westphal, and Barry can all light Peja up with minimal effort. Each and every minute Peja plays should be high comedy, as he worries about breaking his pinky nail trying to actually play some tough-nosed b-ball. Peja just further underscores how my team WILL win EVERY 4th quarter in this series.

As for my bench, I've got Westphal who is instant an offensive threat, Big Ben who can guard either Sheed or Gilmore, not to mention the paint, when I need him. Horry is there to give minutes and space the floor. This is the playoffs, remember, so whoever is covering him HAS to get out to the 3-pt line, meaning even more space for Duncan to have his way in the low post and more room for Wallace or Mutombo to grab offensive boards. Don't sleep on Horry's D either. He takes it SERIOUS when crunch time comes, no matter what his physical talents may be. Every guy can play multiple positions, so it will help keep rotations fresh and foul counts low. Every guy on this bench will be getting 20-25 minutes a night, and my slow-down, possession oriented gameplan will always be safe in their hands.

CONCLUSION:

I'm willing to admit that AI might black out steal one game all by himself, a la the Finals against LA, but that's it. Kobe and AI might have high point totals at the end, but real observers know they are just going to get frustrated and shoot the team out of every game. low2behold's FG% should be right around 40% for the series, and in a slow-down, possession oriented game that means disaster. Although my team might not be winning games by huge margins, we'll do everything when it counts and end up on top when the clock reads zero. Afer AI steals his one Hail Mary game, Kobe shoots the team out of the first 3 quarters, Peja cries about getting sexed against his will by Mutombo, and Duncan shows the MVP form he's always capable of, my team wins the Series 4-1.

>STARTING LINE-UP:
>
>PG - JOHN STOCKTON
>All-NBA 1st Team ('94, '95); All-NBA 2nd Team ('88, '89, '90,
>'92, '93, '96); All-NBA 3rd Team ('91, '97, '99), All-NBA
>Defensive 2nd Team ('89, '91, '92, '95, '97); 10-Time
>All-Star; Olympic Gold Medalist ('92, '96); one of NBA's 50
>Greatest Players.
>
>SG - RICK BARRY
>Elected to Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame (1987);
>NBA champion (1975); NBA Finals MVP (1975); All-NBA First Team
>(1966, '67, '74, '75, '76); All-NBA Second Team (1973); Rookie
>of the Year (1966); 8-time NBA All-Star; All-Star MVP (1967);
>One of NBA's 50 Greatest Players.
>
>SF - GLEN RICE
>3-Time All-Star; All-Star MVP (1997); NCAA Championship
>(1989); NBA Championship (1999).
>
>PF - TIM DUNCAN
>All-NBA 1st Team ('99-'05); All-NBA Defensive 1st Team
>('99-'03, '05); NBA MVP ('02, '03), NBA Finals MVP ('99, '03,
>'05); 7-time NBA All-Star, NBA Champion ('99, '03, '05).
>
>C - DIKEMBE MUTOMBO
>NBA DPOY ('95, '97, '98, '01); 7-Time NBA All-Star.
>
>BENCH:
>
>PG/SG - PAUL WESTPHAL, All-NBA 1st Team ('77, '79, '80);
>6-Time All-Star, NBA Finals Appearance ('76).
>
>SF/PF - ROBERT HORRY, NBA Champion ('94, '95, '00, '01, '02,
>'05); Has appeared in the playoffs all 13 NBA seasons and has
>never been knocked out in the first round; Ranks third in NBA
>playoff history in games and ranks second in three-pointers
>made; Holds the NBA playoff record for the most 3PT-FG made
>without a miss connecting on 7-of-7 from downtown at Utah on
>5/6/97; Set a Finals record for the highest 3PT-FG percentage
>in a seven-game series with a .484 (15-31) mark in 2005; Set
>the NBA Finals record for the most steals in a single game
>recording 7 at Orlando on 6/9/95.
>
>PF/C - BEN WALLACE, NBA DPOY ('02, '03, '05) All-NBA 2nd Team
>('03, '04); 4-Time All-Star.
>
>OVERALL GAMEPLAN:
>
>If you couldn't guess from the roster, this is a slow-down,
>half-court, defensive team. The offense really begins with the
>low-post threat of Tim Duncan. Stock and Timmy can pick and
>roll at almost any time and generate a good look for either
>one of them. If anyone is foolish enough to offer help, there
>is Rice and Barry spacing the floor just waiting to sink a
>jumper. Once Duncan has the ball in good position in the
>low-post it's as good as a made basket -- any help will be
>exploited because everyone (minus Mutombo) can hit a jumper,
>and any single coverage will be abused by The Big Fundamental.
>Once my team gets into its half-court set, it WILL generate
>buckets.
>

u forgot to mention that in order to be a slow down half court defensive team u have to have enough speed to stay in front of whoever is on offense. with ur visbily slower and older starting line-up your chances of trying to stop fast break points will be greatly diminished when u realize that ratliff is as good of a rebounder as there is in the NBA, that rasheed wallace will draw duncan outside to prevent him from rebounding, and that kobe and AI will be looking to cherry pick on every offensive failure your team has via long utlet passes to open court layups. late in game when your squad is tired of shooting the ball due to lack of being able to get past their man and into the paint for layups, they will undoubtable be met by ratliff, artis gilmore, or walton ready to take their head off if they attempt to go inside.

>Also, let's not forget that there is a good amount of
>rebounding skill in every player (minus Stockton), especially
>matching up against low2behold. There will be PLENTY of
>offensive rebounds grabbed, and I'm perfectly okay with
>backing the ball out and setting up EVERY time I get one. If I
>have a 3-pt lead I might take a full minute on some
>possessions just to add two more points.
>

your mentality on this point alone should grant u a failing grade. nobody concocts such bullshit. do u honestly think slow ass deke and frail ass duncan will play volleyball on the backboard for an entire 2 minutes before either rasheed throws a tantrum and proceeds to pummell duncan into the floor boards or ratliff decides to go back to his streetball day of being "the rattler" when he went up for everything and was the only one to come down on 2 feet. also u assume that u will even hold the lead which shows to me that ur gameplan is one dimensional. u dont even explain how u would get a 3 point lead and how u plan to score "two more points." i suggest you do more research as to what it takes to win a NBA basketball game, not what it takes to win a harlem globetrotter game.

>And the 4th quarter is mine. I could spot most teams 10 pts
>and still win the 4th. As long as I save my fouls I can
>completely disrupt any opposing offense when my team puts its
>mind to it, and with hot hands and deep threats like Rice,
>Horry, Barry, and Stockton I can DEFINITELY put runs together.
>If I DO have the lead in the 4th, it's as good as done. This
>is a possession oriented team that WILL milk clock and slow
>everything down. Most games will end in the 80s or 90s, I
>don't care how loaded these rosters are. The paint is going to
>be PAINFUL for the opposition in the 4th and I will NOT be
>taking shots with over 10 seconds on the shot clock.
>

if u think the 4th quarter will be sometype of offensive struggle then u have failed to realize that kobe, ai, wallace, and even stoyakovic are great clutch players and they have the offensive talent to show for it. granted the 4th quarter will probably be all about bigs as i mix and match ratliff and gilmore with wallace playing the small forward for defensive pressure and defensive rebounds or walton, gilmore, and wallace for offensive pressure and offensive rebounds. i will also make sure i match the taller and stronger peja stoyakovic on glen rice in order to utilize the stop n drop, pump and roll, pump n draw, and various screens in order to score.

>We're basically a Bad Boys Pistons squad, only with better
>offense and a bigger, more athletic D. This IS the formula
>that kept Jordan from his first championships, recently upset
>the Lakers in 5 games after people were hollering about
>"Lakers in 3" and helped Tim Duncan earn 3 titles with minimal
>help. It's a proven winning formula, ESPECIALLY come playoff
>time.
>

first of all the bad boy pistons of isiah thomas's era were actually good and the name wasnt literal. your squad is vastly overmatched not due to lack of strategy, but due to lack of ways to implement that strategy. your idea of grabbing a lot of offensive rebounds falls short because u dont have the big men coming off the bench to back up your assumptions and the bigs that u do have as starters arent as talented as u might think. my strategy of keeping duncan away from the basket will undoubtably spell the end of ur run since he seems to be ur answer to all doubt in the universe.

>MATCH-UPS:
>
>STOCKTON v. AI -- While I respect that AI is a quick little
>motherfucker and can always grab himself some steals by
>jumping the passing lane, he's unfortunately going against one
>of the greatest passing PGs in the history of the NBA, if not
>THE greatest. John Stockton will not be turning the ball over,
>even if it is AI jumping the lanes. AI's on the ball D is
>nothing to get too worked up about either, so Stockton will
>pretty much have his way with this match-up on the offensive
>end. On defense, AI will be able to get by Stockton, but he will be
>running into one of the biggest, most effective shot-blocking
>front lines in the entire competition, and we WILL be playing
>TEAM defense. The lane will not be kind to AI and he will be
>largely relegated to jump-shooting. His frustration will also
>lead to poorly advised jump-shooting. Stockton also happens to
>have more steals to his name than any player in NBA history,
>and he will surely be picking off his share of lazy and
>ill-conceived passes from AI. It's basically fundamentals v.
>insane streetball talent, and I'm going to pick fundamentals
>here.

john stockton has been maimed quite a few times by quite a few point guards and ive even glimpsed some games when allen iverson has made the short shorts look like a woman's thong. iverson will run stockton ragged around screens and will undoubtably demoralize him and render him too tired to play effectively on offense. stockton's game is half court and theres nothing in the mold of this game that says he wil spend any considerable time setting up guys in the post. he will undoubtably be containded in the corners of the offense and once he gives up the ball it will be a guaranteed 6 seconds off the clock before anybody has time and patience enough to get the ball back to him due to iverson's off the ball persistence. iverson wil probably drop 30 points on stockton because that what he always did when they played each other in actual games. FYI:: most of AI's game is not "streetball talent," he went to georgetown under the watchful eye of john thompson and before that he was a champion QB... so talk fundamentals out ur ass to somebody with lesser knowledge of the sport.

>BARRY v. KOBE -- Fine, Kobe will be able to score a few
>points.
>
>Kobe will NOT be able to stop Rick Barry, though. Barry is my
>Super Rip Hamilton, he'll be running through screens on nearly
>every set and the slightest bit of separation means a made
>jumper off a Stockton dish. There's no good reason why Barry
>can't be getting 40 with Stockton feeding him the ball. This
>dude is bad, and I don't care, NO ONE in this competition can
>slow his game down, definitely not Kobe.
>

if u thought arizin was slow compared to glen rice, then can u imagine what barry would look like playing against bryant?? first of all barry wont be able to do anything on defense or offense because to be honest today's althlete is 10x more intense than those of yesteryear and what we call a C game today is what guys like rick barry in their primes would call an A game. nuff said. rick barry would shit himself like a confederate soldier fighting against a navy seal.

>RICE v. ARIZIN -- Come on now. Here's a link to Arizin's bio:
>http://www.nba.com/history/players/arizin_bio.html
>
>He's small, he's slow, he plays the old game, and he is
>getting lit the FUCK UP by Glen Rice. It's 6'8" v. 6'4", Rice
>can shoot wherever and whenever he wants, and god forbid he
>takes the little kid into the low post. Rice will be making at
>least five 3-pters a game with this kid covering him. Any time
>we get tired of controlling the game through Duncan and Barry,
>Rice can step up and reel off 10 straight points without even
>trying.
>

too bad rice is playing against stoyakovic or this point might actually make sense. stoyakovic will be draining 3's over the shorter rice and will undoubtably draw him into the air on a few timely pump fakes and either draw the foul or drive past him for the layup. glen rice was never fast or a lockdown defender so expect peja to have a heyday picking apart shrimp fried rice.

>DUNCAN v. WALLACE -- Is this the same Rasheed Wallace that a
>less than 100% Tim Duncan just won Finals MVP against? Oh, all
>right, I'm not too worried about it then.
>

rasheed doesnt need to do much in this matchup aside from what he regularly does which is score, rebound, score some more and draw duncan away from the paint so AI or Kobe will have enough room to navigate. FYI:: tim duncan is the best "role player" in the league. he does his job, he doesnt motivate his teamates to play harder, he is in games like a transmission is in a car. he makes the team go forward (pun intended), but he will demand the ball for 50% of the game to get rolling and when it comes down to clutch time, he will opt of out taking the big shot. he wont be a factor on the boards because he and sheed are evenly matched in size and rebounding ability and duncan will undoubtably be nowhere near the paint on defense unless sheed is backing him down to under the basket.

because to be honest, rasheed wallace does a helluva job getting his man out of position.

>MUTOMBO v. GILMORE -- We all know Mutombo isn't even really
>here to match up against the other Cs, but we also know that
>he's not about to get abused. Mutombo is going to hold his
>position, clean the glass, and make Gilmore work for each and
>every bucket. If he's ever in trouble 1-on-1 we can get the
>quick-handed Stockton in to help create TOs or we can have
>Duncan rotate to close down the lane. Gilmore might get 20,
>but he'll have to work hard for them, and it will just further
>feed into my slow-down tactics.
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i dont know if u realize this, but mutumbo couldnt score 20 points if they took out the 3 second rule. his defense will undoubtably be neutralized once he gets called for his 2 foul in the first quarter. duncan wont be in the post to help him rebound on defense because sheed will be positioned on the wings when my team decides to slash kobe and ai through the middle. ratliff will undoubtably have a gangster lean on mutumbo and will look to strip the long uncordinated african of the ball everytime he receives it in the low post. trivia:: the sixers were above 70% on the season with ratliff in the lineup and went barely over 50% for the rest of the season when mutumbo was bought to the squad.

that translates to game tempo. lets face it, mutumbo is slow and has poor offensive minded court awareness. he will undoubtably hurt your team with his lack of more dimesional ball playing more than anything else. ratliff will easily be able to push the skinnier mutumbo out of the paint for a quick AI layup or to just get the board mutumbo was going for. Ratliff also has been defensive player of the year and all defensive team in his prime as well and once averaged almost 4 blocks a game in 2003.

>BENCH v. BENCH -- First of all, Walton and Ratliff are
>redundant. There's no good reason to put Theo on the floor
>unless Duncan has gotten the front-line in real trouble. And
>Peja Stojakavic? Are they really subbing him in for Kobe when
>Kobe is sucking air like it's going out of style after chasing
>Rick Barry like a madman for the past 20 minutes? And then
>Peja is gonna D someone? Rice, Westphal, and Barry can all
>light Peja up with minimal effort. Each and every minute Peja
>plays should be high comedy, as he worries about breaking his
>pinky nail trying to actually play some tough-nosed b-ball.
>Peja just further underscores how my team WILL win EVERY 4th
>quarter in this series.
>
actually since u jumped to conclusions and found urself out of position (like your game strategy will end up too), gilmore is coming off the bench to provide continued scoring in the paint, walton is going to be subbed for wallace to provide rebounding and to take hard fouls, arizin will be subbing in for Stoyakovic, and Kobe will move to the small forward position with AI at the point.

gilmore will probably grab just as many rebounds as he would as a starter and his points will probably dip 4 or 5 points. in other words expect gilmore to have a double double (15-10) coming off the bench and expect walton to manage his fouls for key defensive possesions. Arizin will be used to spread the offense because as "the father of the jump shot", people will need to respect his sharpshooter capabilities. he will be used mainly as a kick out option because more than likely all the attention will be going to doubling the A-Train in the paint.

>As for my bench, I've got Westphal who is instant an offensive
>threat, Big Ben who can guard either Sheed or Gilmore, not to
>mention the paint, when I need him. Horry is there to give
>minutes and space the floor. This is the playoffs, remember,
>so whoever is covering him HAS to get out to the 3-pt line,
>meaning even more space for Duncan to have his way in the low
>post and more room for Wallace or Mutombo to grab offensive
>boards. Don't sleep on Horry's D either. He takes it SERIOUS
>when crunch time comes, no matter what his physical talents
>may be. Every guy can play multiple positions, so it will help
>keep rotations fresh and foul counts low. Every guy on this
>bench will be getting 20-25 minutes a night, and my slow-down,
>possession oriented gameplan will always be safe in their
>hands.
>

i cant wait until westphal enters off the bench so i can take advantage of his 3.5 turnovers per game and promptly sic my dogs on him. first of all if u wish to maintain your rebounding presence, it wouldnt be a good idea putting westphal into the game unless u are opting for offense. lets face it, here are the similarly listed players as derived from basketball reference.com::


Rolando Blackman, Jeff Malone, Kevin Edwards, Jerry Stackhouse, Gus Williams, Kevin Johnson, Walter Davis, Mitch Richmond, Fred Brown, Derek Harper, David Wesley, Sleepy Floyd, Terry Porter, Ricky Sobers, Freddie Lewis, Terry Porter, Byron Scott

another thing about westphal is the noticeable dip his points and career stats took in the playoffs.

ben wallace is nowhere near the defensive stopper u think he is. when u consider that his only help on the offensive boards would be robert horry who is known to disapear when the rough gets going, u realize that he will more than likely be overmatched by the duo of walton and gilmore if he doesnt already have his hands full playing against ratliff and the man who made ben wallace fanous:: rasheed wallace.

>CONCLUSION:
>
>I'm willing to admit that AI might black out steal one game
>all by himself, a la the Finals against LA, but that's it.
>Kobe and AI might have high point totals at the end, but real
>observers know they are just going to get frustrated and shoot
>the team out of every game. low2behold's FG% should be right
>around 40% for the series, and in a slow-down, possession
>oriented game that means disaster. Although my team might not
>be winning games by huge margins, we'll do everything when it
>counts and end up on top when the clock reads zero. Afer AI
>steals his one Hail Mary game, Kobe shoots the team out of the
>first 3 quarters, Peja cries about getting sexed against his
>will by Mutombo, and Duncan shows the MVP form he's always
>capable of, my team wins the Series 4-1.
>

the conclusion is that there will be so many open court fastbreak points that our feild goal percentage should be right around 50% and that percentage might even be supplemented once my squad goes into a half court offense. We'd drop it down to the post to let rasheed abuse duncan and let Kobe and AI foul out your bigs via driving to the lane. stockton will undoubtably be called for a few bump and touch fouls due to his inability to stay in front of AI and AI will look like an 8 year old locked overnight in a toys-r-us super store. Rasheed will also be looking to trail plays to cap a 3 pointer on the lack luster wing defense of tim duncan and artis gilmore coming off the bench will have no reply to his 15-10 game as gritty bill walton hustles, tumbles, and grunts his way to 4 offensive rebounds off of casual misses. stoyakovic and arizin will be in games to keep the defense honest. they will promptly be called upon to shoot the wide open 3 pointer or mid range when celery tries to double down on AI, Kobe, Sheed or Gilmore.

on defense with rasheed drawing duncan out of the paint, duncan will become unusable and will be knocked off rythm early. this will leave the lane open for minimally contested layups as mutumbo is boxed out effectively by the wider ratliff. iverson will be looking to exploit the slowed gameplay of celery's squad by roaming the passing lanes and timing steals perfectly with momentum changes. ratliff will be doing some roaming of his own in the paint as he dictates the other team's method of scoring to be solely dependent on jumpers and fade aways. walton will probably end up fighting wallace for boards and will defer to gilmore to block anything that come towards the middle. Kobe will provide AI with wing support as he and AI effectively muddle up any clean passes to teamates and wide open jumpers john stockton or rick barry have. peja stoyakovic will utilize his height advantage on glen rice to make sure he doesnt have a clean look and to prevent any attempted post up move glen might try to reel off.

in the end, the result from the faster offensive power horse versus the slowed down defensive half court squad would probably fall on a few factors::

1. my squad has better bigs who can score more and rebound just as well as ben wallace and mutumbo.
2. my squad has guards that have been shown to be unstoppable offensively offense and solid on defense.
3. my squad has a bench that maintains the scoring consistency and rebouding pressure that will be established throughout the game.
4. my squad is faster on and off the ball and there are just as many shooters as their are finishers and just as many shot blockers as there are rebounders and players who disply superb on ball pressure.

im looking at a 4 game sweep in my favor.
with rasheed wallace and allen iverson sharing co-MVP and artis gilmore being sixth man.

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we get thru the games posted.(depending how cluttered the board is)

but is shouldnt take that long.

c vs c- my cener cannot contain opponents center on defense. i plan to send pf help because his pf cant shoot from outside. on the offensive end my center can shoot up from15 to 18 feet...i plan to draw his center out of the middle b/c of this, therfore my guard can penetrate.
pf vs pf-synopsis of matchup
sf vs sf-synopsis of matchup
sg vs sg-synopsis of matchup
pg vs pg-opponent pg is a huge offensive force. can not play d though. my pg is not quite the offensive threat that opponents is but my pg very good on both sides of the court. i intend to attack his point guard offensively, makin him work on that end of the floor so to detract from his offensive efforts. while putting my on the ball defensive skills to work on the defensive end. avantage my poingguard

bench vs bench synopsis.
team summary vs team summary.

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i mean you can go to the losers bracket and end up playing the winners bracket champ and knocking him out twice in a row?

malachi, concrete charlie,(yeah i got to look them up)

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as possible.

all the gum bumpin and all...i would go but i dont even know who my opponent is. i guess i will be facin kingkahn.

Gimme some time, I'm fitting to have some fun writing the game plan.

any questions. are niggas that scared of jordan...or a judged that biased that they see mike a automatically rule victory.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=301570&mesg_id=301570&page=2

That's the post I spent a bit of time trying to make readable rosters in, so people should use it. SPM took Terry Cummings with his last pick, it's too late for me to edit it in. Anyway, enjoy.

>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=301570&mesg_id=301570&page=2
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>That's the post I spent a bit of time trying to make readable
>rosters in, so people should use it. SPM took Terry Cummings
>with his last pick, it's too late for me to edit it in.
>Anyway, enjoy.

I thought his last pick was Terry Porter?

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>I thought his last pick was Terry Porter?

It's in that thread, I just didn't double check.

instant offense. instant change of pace. instant matchup problems.

It's an interesting strategy indeed, but we'll see if anyone can figure out what to do with it.

i dont know what low2 is talkin about b/c i dont have his.

i dont know what low2 is talkin about b/c i dont have his.

spacing and otherwise.

Brevity is the soul of wit and all that, but there's a good reason why John Stockton is going to embarrass AI and I need to make certain people KNOW.

matchup

PG - Iverson
SG - Bryant
SF - Stoyakovic
PF - Wallace
C - Ratliff

VS.

PG - Stockton
SG - Barry
SF - Rice
PF - Duncan
C - Mutombo

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my main focus will be isolating iverson on stockton and bryant on barry. these are the NBA's premier scorers and time has proven that nobody can guard them without double teaming. if u doble team one, the other is going to be open. having both as starters probably will make the other team zone a lot which is just fine because four of the starters can hit the 3 ball with relative consistency.

the second option rasheed wallace will probably be working hard on both ends of the floor defending and scoring on duncan. to mix it up a bit and get more space in the middle some plays will have to be designed so that duncan will have to come out of the paint to defend a trailing rasheed wallace who will be looking to drain a timely 3 pointer.

of course the battle of the boards will come down to the bigger body at the center position (ratliff is stronger, but mutumbo is longer) and lets face it, neiher mutumbo or ratliff are prolific scorers so the main job of ratliff would be to alter shots and to match up with mutumbo's rebounding ability. ratliff will have to emplore a tenacious box out scheme to get the skinnier and older mutumbo out of the paint area.

overall, my team will be focusing on spreading the half court offense and isolating mutumbo in the paint area to draw fouls to get him out early and to eliminate any sense of help defense. stoyakovic's height advantage should make the hoop look like an easy target from 3 pointer land and artis gilmore's 20-10 coming off the bench should help the team stay big and consistent in the middle. most of the scoring will probably be done on fastbreak outlet passes which is just a factor of speed and offensive talent. with iverson and kobe running the show there wont be a shortage of offensive splurts and high octane highlight reel material.

my team will be looking to push the tempo against a visibly slower and older team with less scoring ability. the key is to demoralize their squad early and then after developing a suitable lead, the bigs will come off the bench and basically make their squad depend on jump shots. Walton will basically be in games to send a clear message that nobody will come into the paint without getting bruised up and arizin will play the role of spot and drop in key situations.

final score::
low2behold- 110
celery77- 87

before I inbox my gameplan right?? I mean I could do it before, but it would be kind of pointless w/o knowing the other teams line up..

post in the comments section and not in the game section...celery and low2behold thing already is beginning to look cluttered and i want to get thru all the games listed before starting a new thread.

but I'll leave that up to the judges

i didnt get that part

"If I have a 3-pt lead I might take a full minute on some possessions just to add two more points."

somebody might want to remind celery that we're playing by modern NBA rules which include a 24-second shot clock

>somebody might want to remind celery that we're playing by
>modern NBA rules which include a 24-second shot clock

I'm saying that we're going to shoot with 5 seconds left, grab an offensive board (because we CAN do that), back it out, shoot with 5 seconds left again, grab board again, and back it out again and make a bucket.

Basically it is ENTIRELY my gameplan to MURDER the flow of the game.

nuff said.

He hits big shots.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&defl=en&q=define:sarcasm&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title

• Okayplayer Rookie of the Year
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Stay calm, he got this ----> http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/2192/kbfinals258dd.jpg

NBA Champion ('94, '95, '00, '01, '02, '05); Has appeared in the playoffs all 13 NBA seasons and has never been knocked out in the first round; Ranks third in NBA playoff history in games and ranks second in three-pointers made; Holds the NBA playoff record for the most 3PT-FG made without a miss connecting on 7-of-7 from downtown at Utah on 5/6/97; Set a Finals record for the highest 3PT-FG percentage in a seven-game series with a .484 (15-31) mark in 2005; Set the NBA Finals record for the most steals in a single game recording 7 at Orlando on 6/9/95.


-- Been to the playoffs ALL 13 seasons and past the first round EVERY time? That doesn't happen by accident.

-- All that other stuff is ALL-TIME NBA RECORDS, not just some team record or hot series (although he holds lots of those, too). This dude is a beast in the post-season, and you mad cuz he told your Pistons so last year.

Nor do I care to.

He's not that good.

Six rings as a major cog off the bench does NOT happen by accident.

PS -- Sorry you lost.

On every single one of those Champsionship squads Horry has either been a starter or a major figure in the rotation. He gets minutes and he makes them count. Read that bio for some of his records again, something seems to be going over your head.

That suggestion alone makes you suspect.

Dude hit some big shots in his career. That's it. Other than that, he's a mediocre forward and a complete liabilty against any and all of the talent in this thing.

You lose.

The whole gameplan is going to be all about Horry and nothing else. Should be fun.

is that celery wrote a whole gameplan based on two guys that low2behold didn't even start (Arizin and Gilmore).....



<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

niggaaaaaaaaaaar (c) 50

can post them. my shit been ready

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"My game is not speed. My game is finesse...and sexy...and chocolate...and all that good stuff." Delonte West

http://www.delonte.com

I mean, am I allowed a response to low2behold's post or is that game over at this point?

Also, since we both took different approaches as to how the games played system works, are we talking 7 game series or one-off games like NCAA?

and as far as whether its a series or a 1 game...doesnt matter because the judges will determine by your game plan.

or can you clarify your lineup


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"My game is not speed. My game is finesse...and sexy...and chocolate...and all that good stuff." Delonte West

http://www.delonte.com

point forward - big 0
center - unseld
power forward - turmond
small forward - mitch
guard - bing

when I send you my response as to who won or lost, do I just need to give you a winner, or a short breakdown as to why I picked who I picked?



<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

bigpo: "6. Judges will inbox me their decision for the game. Ex. Malachi votes SPM over Shawnedmeslanted (a reason will be preferred but it is not mandatory)."

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=303929&mesg_id=303929&page=

and not even do a fucking gameplan?

Its not rocket science people and it doesn't take a week to do it, just put some shit together and send it in!

This is crumbling though, ya gotta admit.

your gameplan?

He hadnt when I left work, probably should have looked when I just checked this post.

Either way, I'm on it.

the commentary is priceless.

but its for what some of you might call a bullshit reason, but what can I say, if I was a teacher, I'd be the one that refused to give anyone an A.....



<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

youd be the teacher who just reads the intro of a paper and gives grades.

or gives the A to the flyest girl in class, just because shes fly

I just wanna know how ratliff starts over walton.

Ratliff is a nasty leaper and all, but he's nowhere near the level of either Walton or Gilmore.

Can there be an inbox for judges whenever a round is completed or a matchup is completed? Just we can K.I.M. ... I aint got no time for shuckin and jivin ...

judges...

after all 5 decisions are received the results will be posted.

I just sent BigPo his call; he had a very tough first round draw matchup-wise.

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Apologies to everyone, especially Shawandmeslanted. It's a dope idea and been fun, but I just have too much on my plate right now to even give this 20 minutes to put together my game plan. I'm happy to cede my team to anyone who wants to do a write up.

dude I did my game plan in like 5 minutes, just throw some shit together and send it in, like I said before, we're not playing for money, only trash talking rights. You've taken so many L's on this board one more wouldn't matter. It was obvious you were in over your head from the beginning, you're expected to lose. But to just cop out and quit is a total bitch move.

A college professor that posts on a sports board every day can't put together a paragragh or 2 about a team he selected? PLEA COP indeed.

I will send my gameplan today even tho I dont know my opponents lineup..

is the guy who drafted dennis johnson second.

and, yes, the college professor who has 50 25 page papers to grade and a 25 page paper of his own to finish by next wednesday does have other things to do.

>is the guy who drafted dennis johnson second.
>
>and, yes, the college professor who has 50 25 page papers to
>grade and a 25 page paper of his own to finish by next
>wednesday does have other things to do.


you could have done your gameplan in the time you've spent posting on the board THIS MORNING!

You know by use of the search feature we call pull up how many posts you've made in the last 24 hours. try again.

if i half ass it, i might as well not do it.

so, no. i'm out. and, in fact, it's not a bitch move. a bitch move would be what everyone else in this competition seems to be doing, which is not doing it and not saying anything. i'm owning up to the fact that i don't have time right now so that you can get a replacement.

knowledge being exposed we already knew you didn't have any anyway

"I'm banking on one the 3 greatest players of all-time lasting to the 7th pick and when he goes 1 spot ahead of me I'm too stupid to have a backup plan so I spazz out and pick the best available white guy" strategy

>is the guy who drafted dennis johnson second.
>
>and, yes, the college professor who has 50 25 page papers to
>grade and a 25 page paper of his own to finish by next
>wednesday does have other things to do.

Do something. This is a pretty low PLEA COP.

probably do a better job than Bryan anyway, lol

Shells, son, dont let them clown, if you have bigger fish to fry so be it BUT I would say STAY because, hey, you DID pick Bird in the first round (*snickers*) AND you DO write like 90 pages of Blowhards Digest every week, I imagine you have time to squeeze this in.

>AND you DO write like 90 pages of Blowhards Digest every week, I >imagine you have time
>to squeeze this in.

and he's been posting all morning yet he's "too busy" to do his gameplan.

he's COPPED a lot of PLEAS around here but this might be his worst ever! LOL!

now its just gonna go to waste.


In this type of league its kinda hard to take over someones team because we all drafted certain players with certain strategies in mind.

>In this type of league its kinda hard to take over someones
>team because we all drafted certain players with certain
>strategies in mind.

If nobody takes his team I guess you can post your gameplan anyway

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whole thing but he gets an A for effort! lol!

I mean, the line about John Stockton in a woman's thong? That's some funny shit.

If only his strategizing was as good as his shit-talking.

y/m...

Otherwise that shit-talking was funny as hell. low2behold got me a little shook with some of those funny fucking lines. I'mma have to step my game shit-poppin game up for the winner's bracket.

* Finished fourth in the league with 2.51 blocked shots per-game in 2004-05.
* Community Assists
* Voted Eastern Conference starting center of 2001 All-Star Game, but was unable to play due to injury
* Led NBA in blocked shots in 2000-01, with a 3.74 bpg average
* Averaged 3.00 bpg in 1999-2000 (4th in the NBA)
* Named to the 1998-99 NBA All-Defensive Second Team after leading the 76ers in blocked shots (2.98 bpg, 3rd in the NBA) and rebounds (8.1 rpg, 20th)
* Was the only 76er in 1998-99 to start all 50 games and logged 11 double-doubles
* Averaged 3.15 bpg in 1997-98 (4th in the NBA)
* Led the Pistons in blocked shots as a rookie in 1995-96 (1.55 bpg) and again in 1996-97 (1.46 bpg)
* Finished his career at Wyoming as the NCAA's second all-time leading shotblocker behind Georgetown's Alonzo Mourning

I could have some fun with it if nobody else wants to. I can't say I'm going to be writing to win that much, but I'll definitely have fun.

If no one else wants to, and bshelly doesn't mind, lemme know and I'll write up something. I got a lot of time to waste.

i was gonna ask for my plan not to be published so i could be in stealth mode..but fuck it.

Up in the right hand corner of every post box there's some icons for actions you can take, one of them is a little message with wavy lines. Click that and it will take you to the inbox screen.

It took me a sec to figure that out, too. Who knew these boards had actual features?

now do the rebuttals get inboxed as well?

<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

At least that's what low2behold and I did, ditto for Kingkahn and bigpo I think.

...I figured I'd give him a chance to look at it before bigpo, but now he's really got no excuse.

Anyway, just saying that we should see those gameplans soon, no more plea coppin' from the professor.

cats are lunching

After this round is over we definitely need to set some kind of deadline. It's not that hard, people just need to sit for like 20-30 minutes and do that shit.

they might lose by forfeit......



<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

Ceej-- Still working on this masterpiece... will be done by this time tomorrow night.

sorry y'all



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"My game is not speed. My game is finesse...and sexy...and chocolate...and all that good stuff." Delonte West

http://www.delonte.com

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and didnt feel the need to explain ish...he has to be the craziest cat on the board. (nigga keeps me laughin tho, i must admit)

i ain't trying get fired typing some 4 page shit up,lol
give me till tonight damn

work hours, don't front!

yeah truth that is it...

looks pretty good. but what do i know.

unless i sent it to the wrong dude...

but i dont think so

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coolidge, 98.6 and labeathusta?

WTF GUYS?!

lol

...niggas was complainin about the draft takin to long this, and i cant wait to actually compete and here it is thursday, and stuff been posted since monday morning.

<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

All's he needs to do is copy and paste the shit over to bigpo and there can be a match-up between him and Shawn. I figured I'd let him edit it as he sees fit, but there's no good reason why we can't read a match-up between those two.

Shit, I don't mean to spoil nothing, but I had Vlade murking fools steel-curtain-style and I even put a nice Shawn Kemp youtube.com link in and everything. Here's the link, since shelly seems determined to waste it. Tell me this isn't quality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxQq1tUw6NM

<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

i made up a login and password just so yall can view it.


Watching the rodman clips just put a smile on my face

Because it is a crime if Bernard got left out in the cold...and somebody is missing out.

this seriously anyway, the quicker we narrow this down the better

tourney...that is fracked up. but i was thinkin the same...i was gonna give a lil time to see tho. lets revisit it the idea on monday.

>tourney...that is fracked up. but i was thinkin the same...i
>was gonna give a lil time to see tho. lets revisit it the idea
>on monday.

agreed.

but niggas here think mj is the end all be all...i think off of rebounds alone...(im out doing that at every positon besides sf) that they would run these guys all day. mike would have to guard miller and chase him...maurice could do nothing with magic..and if mike helped then miller is open. then i have 27 boards a game worth of rebounds comin off the bench.

this victory was based strictly off of the love of Michael Jordan.

>but niggas here think mj is the end all be all...

because he IS! the man won 6 rings in eight seasons with Bill Cartight and Luc Longley as his centers! lol!

>i think off
>of rebounds alone...(im out doing that at every positon
>besides sf) that they would run these guys all day. mike would
>have to guard miller and chase him...maurice could do nothing
>with magic..and if mike helped then miller is open. then i
>have 27 boards a game worth of rebounds comin off the bench.
>
>this victory was based strictly off of the love of Michael
>Jordan.

I think your squad is flawed, you got a fast-break PG with a halfcourt team. Mourning, Barkley and Aguirre will be fighting each other for post up position. You let people talk you out of starting Lebron, he would have been a tougher matchup at the 3 spot plus he would be the perfect guy to run with Magic on the break. But don't let me tell you how to coach your team, lol!

>this victory was based strictly off of the love of Michael
>Jordan.

*diddy bops*

PS - Michael Jordan

PPS - Go to www.basketball-reference.com and tell me how your team is ever outrebounding mine

I thought KingKahn just presented his argument for his team winning better than you. Like I said from the get-go, that's how I'm judging this thing, who presents the best argument? I'm not a well brimming with NBA knowledge, I know a lot, but when it comes to real old-school players (probably 1985 and older), I'm not THAT knowledgeable about a lot of those cats. So its all about your wordplay and how well you argue your point....



<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

When Khan said he'd double Magic that destroyed your whole game plan cuz that's the only match up I think you dominated.

Everyone else on your team wasn't known for ballhandling or playmaking so you cut off the head...the body dies.

Truth's suggestion to start Lebron would have helped but not much cuz he's a defensive liability at this point in his career.

>Truth's suggestion to start Lebron would have helped but not
>much cuz he's a defensive liability at this point in his
>career.

Lebron is not THAT bad of a defender and outside of Jordan, Kahn doesn't really have anybody on his team to exploit him.

..(and keep in mind i aint mad about yalls decision) and barkley, and mourning, can run the floor.. miller can run and spotup ala byron scott..plus yall act like magic cant run no half court set.

But on the real..i am glad yall argued the fact that it had nothin to do with jordan...because arguments i felt should be the biggest determining factor....so i am straight cool with the decision.

that shit has me LITERALLY in tears!!!

cause right now, the game goes to shelly....



<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

Kemp Shitted on Rodman in the '96 finals...literally...repeatedly.

There was one dunk I will never forget.

Kemp pretty much went around Rodman, Dunk and hung on the rim...

Rodman had blond hair at the time and he got too close as Kemp "Monkey swung" on the rim and kemps ass and nuts hit Rodman dead in the face and head...

I made a joke like "damn...his hair is blond and brown now"

hahahahaha

>Rodman had blond hair at the time and he got too close as Kemp
>"Monkey swung" on the rim and kemps ass and nuts hit Rodman
>dead in the face and head...
>
>I made a joke like "damn...his hair is blond and brown now"

>Kemp Shitted on Rodman in the '96
>finals...literally...repeatedly.

That dude straight up called Carlos Boozer the bitch that he is and wasn't sorry one bit about it <---- gully.

That guy could probably handle half of Shawn's team himself, if he's not too busy kicking Basaglia's ass something serious up in the stands.

Anyway, glad the shit got posted and people got to read it. This fantasy shit is good fun.

thats suspect.

almost on the the Oakley level and he held Dave Cowens down during their playing days together in Boston.

Ouch

Bigpo put his verdict up but I don't see the one for my game. Are they missing votes or what?

There's no fucking way Kobe and AI are running that team out of the building. Running teams = losers in the playoffs. Come on, we all know this.

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"My game is not speed. My game is finesse...and sexy...and chocolate...and all that good stuff." Delonte West

http://www.delonte.com

what's the deal?

Who knew...lol... that's just wierd. It looks like Elmer Fudd trying to say "Dianne"

Whatever, I care too much about spelling and linguistics, that shit doesn't get a pass with me.

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they all said they sent them in

dont have ceej,98.6, countryraps, or celery's beshelly

celery's game plan for bshelly is already posted

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SPM was cracking me the fuck up in his gameplan (I mean when Shaq was leaning wit it, rocking wit it, I was dying), making me think he had a chance even, but ThaTruth pretty much settled it in the rebuttal. I'mma have to remember that Wizard of Oz line-up, that's pretty good.

how u gon say truth settled it and i didn't even post my rebuttal yet?
yall judges is gay as shit (u is a judge right?)

http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~humcentr/wizard-of-oz-still-large.jpg

But come on man, I know you're not supposed to say it yourself, but you got some chokers on that squad.

he got a dude that played damn near 20 seasons and only won one chip and a bunch of role players

>he got a dude that played damn near 20 seasons and only won
>one chip and a bunch of role players

Wilt won TWO chips, '67 with the SIXERS and '72 with the Lakers. He won Finals MVP in '72. They didn't starting that award until '69 or it would have been his second. Wilt also has 4 league MVP's. I have role players that know their roles but can still step up big in big spots. You got the All-Choker squad. My players have a combined nine chips and 4 different Finals MVP's. The only player on your team with rings his Shaq and he ain't never won shit without Kobe carrying him.

your gameplan is basically "my niggas got chips , ....your's don't"
fuck outta here
you got ONE dominate player...who hardly won compared to all the yrs he played
then u got two niggas that weren't even the main guy on their team for the majority of their career
the rest of ur niggas are fucking scrubs
my team is stock full of niggas that can perform

is going to share the ball with C-Webb, Shaq, KG AND Vince? All 5 of them cats are used to being the man on their team. There's no way they can play together on the same team.

fuck outta here u got a team of 3rd best on they team niggas trying go against my squad
nigga yo squad is garbage and nobody outside of wilt has a chance to score
ur guards can't shoot for shit and ain't athletic
your two forwards are fucking garbage and never won shit in they life
your bench never won shit in they life either

>fuck outta here u got a team of 3rd best on they team niggas
>trying go against my squad

yep, that's why its call a TEAM

>nigga yo squad is garbage and nobody outside of wilt has a
>chance to score

Wilt can score 100 by himself, especially when Shaq fouls out, my All-Defense squad will hold your guys to 50.

>ur guards can't shoot for shit and ain't athletic

Joe D averaged 27ppg in the '89 NBA Finals

>your two forwards are fucking garbage and never won shit in
>they life

my forwards have played in more play games than your forwards, shit Oakley has played more playoff games than Webber and Garnett combined

>your bench never won shit in they life either

Cedric "Cornbread" Maxwell got 2 chips and won Finals MVP in '81.

it's called a team?
teams lose bitch
your team is true garbation
dumars won't be able to SHOOT on us, 46% shooter playing SG against a big long quick athletic team = alot of perimeter shots clacking off the rim
cedric maxwell is a career 12ppg and everybody knows L.bird got robbed of the mvp that yr dumb ass
he avg. more points, more rebounds, more assists and more blocks in that series then cedric the entertainer(coon)
larry bird was a victim of the cism truth be told
he carried that team, they ain't give it to em cause he was too young

>it's called a team?
>teams lose bitch
>your team is true garbation
>dumars won't be able to SHOOT on us, 46% shooter playing SG
>against a big long quick athletic team = alot of perimeter
>shots clacking off the rim

right, Dumars had no problem getting shots off against Magic and Jordan but Vince Carter bitch ass is going to shut him down??

www.fuckouttahere.com

>cedric maxwell is a career 12ppg and everybody knows L.bird
>got robbed of the mvp that yr dumb ass
>he avg. more points, more rebounds, more assists and more
>blocks in that series then cedric the entertainer(coon)
>larry bird was a victim of the cism truth be told
>he carried that team, they ain't give it to em cause he was
>too young

Larry couldn't guard a lamp post, Dr. J was giving that MF the business in the ECF until Cornbread came to the rescue. When they played the Lakers who do you think guarded Worthy? not Larry "Legend". Zeke was right, if Larry was black he just be another player. Shit, Chris Mullin did every thing Bird did with less fanfare and he didn't have nobody like CORNBREAD, DENNIS JOHNSON and the Chief backing him up. Them brothas carried Bird and did all the dirty work or he never would have won shit just like PETE MARAVICH! That MF won FIVE playoff games TOTAL in his ENTIRE CAREER! Not 5 playoff series, FIVE muthafuckin' GAMES! DJ won like 150! bitch please!

playoff wins????

I mean the Cowardly Lion, the Scarecrow, and the Tin-Man, that was COLD-BLOODED. Seriously, that's some fucking A game right there. Don't be surprised if we see some if it show up in Scoop's column sometime soon.

And SPM's rebuttal had me cracking up, too. This was definitely the best match-up to read so far, but I mean come on, that Oz comparison is just fucking money.

only one dude is even close to being "Oz" status
and thats KG
the rest of my niggas have won playoff games
how can u call webber weak?
cause he ain't win no chips?
uh he was getting beat by shaq...who was beating EVERYBODY
fuck outta here

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I mean that was kinda gay sounding. But hey, to each their own.

y'all raised y'alls post games with this one......



<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

against Jordan in his prime and 33 year-old 96 Jordan was his prime

talking about Dennis Johnson won Finals MVP "against the bullets when elvin hayes and wes unseld were past their prime and on their way out of the league." even though they were the defending champs.

and again, he has ALL GUARDS on his bench!

his rebutal was humorous but mine is humerous AND factual. All of his guys are known for playing tight in big spots. Its an open and shut case IMO.

fuck outta here
ur gameplan is wack, just admit it
that's why they play the games man, two teams battling it out to see who wins
fuck ur mvps and titles wins....u got some SERIOUS mismatch problem going against my team AND my players are clearly more talented AND we do have a proven winner on our shit who actually LEAD his team to victory
most of yo cats won titles on the coattails of better players
and bringing up my guards on the bench is moot, because sprewell is a SF dumbass and i can use KG at C/PF
HOLLA

said fuck it

...

I told you guys this would be a clusterfuck. The sad part is that the teams turned out pretty well.

and the gameplans that have been posted have been pretty good as well.....



<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

n/m

are gameplans that the opponent still hasnt posted yet and some a few decisions (but no determined winners)

Slanted, beathustla, 98.6, they said they sent theirs? how about ceej and theo?



and how's lilpo doing?

but not ceejs, 98.6, bshelly(which i just saw celery did his..i will post the ones i have..you post country raps.

we? cuz I got Chocolate Thunder.. He wants to get some glass in Yaos hair..

While I'm waiting, I think I might go help finish erecting the Crazy Horse monument.

Single-handedly.

The rebuttal is up there. I'll walk that team through a winner's and a loser's bracket, too, but after the brawl the team should be pretty fucked up. Might be an early exit.

that everybody all the gms vote on the game...cause the visit the post..or something like that.

I'm waiting on ya'll...

which judges arent participating?

I know me and KC have been all up in this post.

I can't speak for the other judges (except auragin_boi cause he's been all in this post), but I've been here and waiting for fools to finish up their rebuttals so I can vote. I'm not even reading any gameplans until everything is in place, because I want to read it all at once.

Right now we got:
Game 1 - SPM vs. ThaTruth - rebuttals have been posted, I've sent my decision for this game

Game 2 - KingKahn vs. bigpo - game done, KingKahn the winner

Game 3 - theothursday vs. ceej - both gameplans posted, neither rebuttal has been posted. Gameplans posted on 4/3/06, two days ago

Game 4 - bshelly (and celery77) vs. ShawndmeSlanted - both rebuttals finally posted (looks like Shawn just did his about an hour ago), will send decision on this game within an hour

Game 5 - safonix vs. ErnestLee - still waiting on safonix's rebuttal, ErnestLee's rebuttal posted on 3/30/06, six days ago

Game 6 - CountryRapTunes vs. Warren Coolidge - both gameplans posted 4/3/06, two days ago. Still waiting on rebuttals from both players

Game 7 - 98.6 vs. LAbeathustla - 98.6's gameplan posted on 4/3/06, still waiting on LAbeathustla's gameplan to be posted

Game 8 - celery77 vs. low2behold - both rebuttals posted, one on 3/28/06, eight days ago, and one on 3/29/06, seven days ago. Decision sent in on this matchup


So if you look at the above scenarios, the problem with the judges is only in regards to 2 games. One has been settled, one is waiting for judging because the rebuttal was only posted an hour ago, and the other four are still waiting on actions from the participants before us judges can do anything.

So your problem lies with your GMs, not the judges. Its safe to say that the other judges have probably lost interest in this thing BECAUSE the participants are taking a long ass time to act......



<---- KCPlayer21 Jr.

Is it that hard to navigate this shit and type some stuff up? I mean, for all the time everyone wastes here on the board, is it that hard to fire off a message or two?

Everyone and everything that has been posted so far has been real cool and this has been fun. I'd like to keep it moving......

It's a shame that it's so hard to get 20 or so people really participating, because all this stuff is really fun.

But it appears it will flame out, short if its potential, quite reminiscent of this post.

id be like fuck all of this.

\If we getto the next round we have to come up with a more organized way

>This idea had huge upside

I think it's time to just let it go, Truth. We tried, we really did. A for effort.

n/m

You guys already have gameplans in, all you need is officiating to say "you win, you win, you lose, you win, you lose and you lose."

I havent gotten any inboxes since the first two matchups were complete; ppl talking about judges disappearing WTF??? We were waiting days for anything to happen and havent been notified of shit if it has since.