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"(hand over forehead)"


  

          

lord can i PLEASE master a record in the sony building and the shit turn out the way it should be?)

they sent the wrong parts.


this is the 3rd mixed "Don't Feel Right" mixed by timberlands engineer jimmy douglas (Slave too)


but the snare sounds soft

so the version on the album is NOT the version on "pre game"

so--well the few "complete" buffs we got. this was NOT the version i liked.

HOW our mastering guy mixed this with the album version i dont know.

the ONLY cool shit about this was the BASS BLURP is gone on the third verse (something i overlooked)

did i pull a jag by letting this out the bag?

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
come to think of it
Jul 26th 2006
1
Soft snare, low drums...
Jul 27th 2006
27
pre game is dope
Jul 26th 2006
2
that would be me.....
Jul 26th 2006
5
      sorry
Jul 26th 2006
10
      i dont give a gotdamn on who knows you kid
Jul 27th 2006
16
           RE: i dont give a gotdamn on who knows you kid
Jul 27th 2006
24
                RE: i dont give a gotdamn on who knows you kid
Jul 28th 2006
34
so does this mean the album that leaked isnt fully mastered?
Jul 26th 2006
3
RE: so does this mean the album that leaked isnt fully mastered?
Jul 26th 2006
4
Also, ?uest...
Jul 26th 2006
6
      RE: Also, ?uest...
Jul 26th 2006
11
           I think the last four songs are perfect
Jul 26th 2006
12
ok so I think i'm waay late on this...
Jul 26th 2006
7
yeah the version yall got is the second mastered version
Jul 27th 2006
17
      Now I'm understanding why Roots albums are so expensive to make.
Jul 27th 2006
18
      what u mean by breaking down distortion?
Jul 28th 2006
41
Do you know which version 'Here I Come' is on the promo?
Jul 26th 2006
8
Jay couldnt send Hip-Hop(the engineer) on this one??
Jul 26th 2006
9
hip hop is(was...now he's like a vp or something) an a&r....
Jul 29th 2006
53
RE: (hand over forehead)
Jul 26th 2006
13
?uest gamin it again?
Jul 27th 2006
14
wait...
Jul 27th 2006
15
pre game
Jul 27th 2006
19
      cool
Jul 27th 2006
20
      *exhales*
Jul 27th 2006
28
      lol at the irony of the situation
Jul 27th 2006
29
      do you think the album is going to recoup?
Jul 27th 2006
31
           LMAO!
Jul 27th 2006
32
           how do you know that?
Jul 27th 2006
33
           10 mil?!??!?!!??!
Jul 28th 2006
42
           lot of favors
Jul 28th 2006
43
                7??!
Jul 28th 2006
45
                     phren cost 2 mil
Jul 28th 2006
46
                          RE: phren cost 2 mil
Jul 28th 2006
50
Bob Power????
Jul 27th 2006
21
i'm wondering the same thing.
Jul 27th 2006
22
he's talking about the mastering
Jul 27th 2006
23
      you're right.
Jul 27th 2006
25
           you guys are dumb.
Jul 27th 2006
30
I volunteer to flip it like this
Jul 27th 2006
26
weird
Jul 28th 2006
35
I've got a headache now !
Jul 28th 2006
36
DAT MASTER
Jul 28th 2006
37
^^^didn't mean to post this here...
Jul 28th 2006
39
Hey Truck North
Jul 28th 2006
44
      RE: Hey Truck North
Jul 28th 2006
48
i have no worries. im sure that your piecing together a fantastic album.
Jul 28th 2006
47
OMFG!!!!!!!
Jul 28th 2006
49
questo, you need to edit the FIRST post
Jul 29th 2006
51
lol... i was thinking the same thing too.
Jul 29th 2006
52

15
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1. "come to think of it"
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lol---this is the wrong "here i come" too...lol

drums all low.

ugh

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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kase
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27. "Soft snare, low drums..."
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I'd still like to listen to them more than thirty seconds. But since I live in Europe I can't even spend my money for the Pre-Game - german iTunes doesn't offer it.

Wonder if the okayplayer store will ship the bundled package all overseas?

Thanks for TOURING Europe! Already got my ticket (Nov 24th).

(sorry for sending this via message, 15! This is my first post. Just didn't know how it worked)

  

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B Side
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2. "pre game is dope"
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Wed Jul-26-06 09:14 PM by B Side

          

who is the MC on bread and butter?

--you're right that snare is weak on Don't Feel Right

  

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5. "that would be me....."
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.....truck north......u aint heard homie...???....lol....
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10. "sorry"
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didn't recognize the voice

dope verse

  

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16. "i dont give a gotdamn on who knows you kid"
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---gza

(jokes)

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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TruckNorth
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24. "RE: i dont give a gotdamn on who knows you kid"
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See.....people like it.....lol
I need a lil fiasco.....
Kick and some push......
{*^YnG'^ *TkR*}

  

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ouesh
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34. "RE: i dont give a gotdamn on who knows you kid"
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drove from sf to flagstaff az today and song made 5 playlist. sheeeits fresh mang, lovin the pre game yall. drum quality between the leaked dont feel right and now are crazy. look forward to the real final that will surface sometime

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3. "so does this mean the album that leaked isnt fully mastered?"
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cause i think the drums were a bit soft on many of the tracks when they should be louder since it has that raw feel to it.

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4. "RE: so does this mean the album that leaked isnt fully mastered?"
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I noticed this too, hopefully it's not the fully mastered version

Either way, album still knocks.

  

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6. "Also, ?uest..."
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I think that (unless it's unmastered) "Long Time" sounds a little digital and compressed, not as large as it should sound with the orchestration and all. Just throwing that out there.

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11. "RE: Also, ?uest..."
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almost posted this same thing earlier, Long Time sounds a little fogged over


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12. "I think the last four songs are perfect"
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if you're going for that Motown/soul sound. yall done nailed that sound!

  

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7. "ok so I think i'm waay late on this..."
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but is there a single we can download on Itunes? is that the 'pre-game ep?'

  

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17. "yeah the version yall got is the second mastered version"
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we will have mastered this jawn 5 times across 3 different engineers.

this is what the press got. a lil "rush" version.---i think yall got the 2nd mastered version.

i got all noid when tom was breaking down the distortion on "dont feel right" so i used jay and b's masterer engineer.

but the album is way clearer and louder and banging

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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18. "Now I'm understanding why Roots albums are so expensive to make."
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Thu Jul-27-06 12:25 PM by BrklynzFinestPR

  

          

But I'm glad that you are a perfectionist ?uest, cuz in the end its the Fans that win!

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41. "what u mean by breaking down distortion?"
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8. "Do you know which version 'Here I Come' is on the promo?"
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Wed Jul-26-06 10:04 PM by handle

          

Is the 'correct' version on the promotional vinyl Def jam sent out last week? (Still waiting for my eBay'd copy to arrive.)

You sound like you got some mastering woes for sure.

If you need some muscle to set these guys straight -let me know.

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9. "Jay couldnt send Hip-Hop(the engineer) on this one??"
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pssh where was Russ The Dragon??

btw where can i get pre-game @???

  

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53. "hip hop is(was...now he's like a vp or something) an a&r...."
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young guru is jay's engineer.

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13. "RE: (hand over forehead)"
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can't wait for the album.
good to hear malik b. and trucknorth kills it on bread & butter.

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14. "?uest gamin it again?"
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http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1537230/20060726/tribe_called_quest.jhtml?headlines=true

Quest is at it again? NBA 2K7 featuring questlove for the second year in a row. Also A tribe Called Quest to head the Bounce Tour which the roots hosted last year.

  

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15. "wait..."
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so is it the pre-game EP that's fucked up, or are we talkin Game Theory itself?

i'm lost.

  

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19. "pre game"
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album is straight.
the "parts" sent to the factory for apple to use were wrong
they mixed up the titles (each song has been mastered and mixed a combined 10 times a song)

so im sure there was a mixup like



(looks at shelf with roots dats in a row)

dont feel right
dont feel right clean
dont feel right edit
dont feel right clean edit
dont feel right-4/3 recall
dont feel right clean-4/3 recall
dont feel right edit-4/3 recall
dont feel right clean edit-4/3 recall
dont feel right-j douglas
dont feel right clean-j douglas
dont feel right edit-j douglas
dont feel right clean edit-j douglas
dont feel right-j douglas recall 6/1
dont feel right clean-sony mix-recall 6/1
dont feel right edit-sony mix-recall 6/1
dont feel right clean edit-sony mix-recall 6/1
dont feel right-sony recall
dont feel right clean-sony recall
dont feel right edit-sony recall
dont feel right clean edit-recall


this is to give you an idea of what shelves and boxes look like when they get shipped to mastering.

and 100% its never this neat. you gotta go through dat after dat until you find

"dont feel right 6/15 recall, sony ahmir"

that is the approved album version.

they just grabbed one of the other jawns off the album

normally there is no need for alarm in this area cause if you say "i want "dont feel right 6/15 recall, sony ahmir" on the "pre game ep.

then you just trust they do it.

something told me to check "just to make sure"

glad i did.

NO! LIST
Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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20. "cool"
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too bad the ep fell apart but i'm glad the album is straight. for a sec there i thought we had a TTP-style fiasco on our hands, w/ everyone freaking out on the release date.

  

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28. "*exhales*"
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29. "lol at the irony of the situation"
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?uest said to himself, "hey sumthin don't feel right, let me check." don't feel right, feel right!

  

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31. "do you think the album is going to recoup?"
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Thu Jul-27-06 11:52 PM by kelving948

          

there was a rumor it cost almost 10 million to make.

  

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32. "LMAO!"
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This is one of, if not THE cheapest Roots album yet...

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kelving948
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33. "how do you know that?"
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mixing 13(and maybe the 4 that were cut) songs 10 times each isn't free.
then you got the use of strings & choirs...
clearing the samples...
the art layout...
the mastering (which i guess they had to do twice because quest mentioned firing tom coyne)
the production of the cd's/LP's themself...
and then the video & promotion (but i havent seen either)

  

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42. "10 mil?!??!?!!??!"
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put down the moonshine

  

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43. "lot of favors"
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times have really changed on the money tip.
artists now pay for their own videos and get little if 0 help.
and somehow we managed to keep the budget under the water level
(well on the real a majority of this record was done during the 4 month
"blackout period" with no budget and us squeeeeeeeezing favors out the ass
--but nah. not ten.
most of our records cost somewhere in the area of 7 figs to make.

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Tom Petty
M J
Zeppelin
Springsteen
Neil Young
Eagles
Ray Charles
Madonna
Chuck Berry
South Park TV Songs
Justin Timberlake
"Food Glorious Food"
"Twilight Zone" theme
"A Boy Named Sue"
"Night Moves"
"The Situation"
"Superbowl Shuffle"

  

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45. "7??!"
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sheeet son, that's harsh.
7 figs seems pretty high, but hey, all the extra time, and unfortunatly money, goes for something right?

and as if it's taken this long, or this many takes, to master the whole LP. I don't think it's unfair to be annoyed at the engineers, they have to deal with crap all the time and try and 'fix' problems in the mix, their way. Each person is different, so I can see this being a rather tedious affair.

Keep up fam, it'll be worth it; mastering is what makes or breaks the majority of records, nowadays especially.

  

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58impala
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46. "phren cost 2 mil"
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that aint new info buddy

  

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50. "RE: phren cost 2 mil"
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well, it's news to me, and thx for the info.
I'm sorry if I don't know everything Roots related; I don't see why you gotta pounce like that.

Regardless, I still think it's fairly high, that's all. It makes sense and all, but still.

  

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21. "Bob Power????"
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?????????????

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22. "i'm wondering the same thing."
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-T
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23. "he's talking about the mastering"
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not the mix

I could very well be wrong, but I've never seen Bob listed as the mastering engineer (sure he's done it somewhere along the line though)

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www.myspace.com/everythingthatsfly

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25. "you're right."
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-T
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kinetic94761180
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30. "you guys are dumb."
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i kid.

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Stranjer
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26. "I volunteer to flip it like this"
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Come to my pad over in Netherland. Now I got my American equipment and I transform them shits so you know the electricity is real dirty, all kinds of voltage fluctuation.
I got a real shitty tape recorder (I mean them shits clicks while not on play or record mode) and we can put it on good old type II's. Transfer them to my Boss CD900 recorder.
Shitty is pretty.
and I always make the snare peak just a tad just to make it snap a dirty whip.

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35. "weird"
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so there's noone making sure the mastering plant only gets the right versions (by making a pre master compilation with the correct versions in the right order), or who sits in on the mastering sessions to make sure the right versions end up on the right album versions ???

  

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themn
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36. "I've got a headache now !"
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jose3030
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37. "DAT MASTER"
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39. "^^^didn't mean to post this here..."
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"The camel never sees its own hump but that of its brothers is always before its eyes"- N.African proverb

***The OKMuhajideen***

  

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44. "Hey Truck North"
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do you think "bread and butter" should be on the album? just kidding, is there any other way to be able to get this song other than the pre ep thing? maybe this could be a bonus track for the next roots come alive, which is coming out soon, right quest?

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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fowler
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48. "RE: Hey Truck North"
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think its suppose to be on the european version of game theory as a bonus track, but don't think that is confirmed yet.

  

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47. "i have no worries. im sure that your piecing together a fantastic album."
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and i still aint downloading the leak. im gonna be anxious for this one, as ive have with all of your work.

  

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49. "OMFG!!!!!!!"
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http://sundasill.tumblr.com/

  

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spirit
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51. "questo, you need to edit the FIRST post"
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people are going to think something is wrong with the ALBUM when the issue is with the EP.

sigh.

dude. we're trying to help you *maximize* your record sales. LOL.
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52. "lol... i was thinking the same thing too."
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