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"This post may touch some racial buttons but here goes"


  

          



Offending someone is not my intention. But considering how many people said ouch to bill cosby, I’m ready to take my lumps. This weekend I was in atl. I road past MLK right off of I-20. now the place was just dark, hardly any streetlights. The residents have no control over that. But I am wondering about the “city council” leaders of that district. It’s obvious that that is beyond their control. HOWEVER. As I rode over some tracks, and under some MARTA tracks (station is less than a mile away) I saw PILES upon piles upon piles of litter in the streets and sideways.

This is something I saw and thought, “I’ve been to other neighborhoods and it’s so much cleaner” why do we do this to ourselves? That’s something we do have control over for example. Something as small as “not littering” I mean Jesus, we don’t need a conspiracy form the government to kill us off, cause we are gonna do it ourselves by disease, with the amount of trash I saw.

The apt complex that I moved into, slowly but surely got more and black people in it. And sure enough, the dumpster is a mess. People can’t even place their trash inside. Music is always blaring. Etc…negroes outside cursing and dranking at all hours of the night making noise. Mothafuckas can’t even speak to each other like neighbors. Little simple shit that we can control on our own, we refuse to. Back to litter, and I’m using litter as just an example. My folks never taught me to litter. Why? Cause basically it’s wrong, it’s lazy, and all it’s selfish. Kinda like pissing on the toilet seat and leaving it and not flushing. The tissue is less that 12 inches away, u can’t wipe your piss? This community had years and years of accumulated trash where the vacant lots didn’t look brown and green anymore. Yet we wanna talk about how sleezy the neighborhoods look. that’s like that sloppy pisser complaining about the bathrooms. Or his friend complaining to the people in charge. Negro, complain to your friend. He’s the one pissing all over shit.

Another thing I noticed at our hotel. All our housekeepers are black. The maintenance guy and I were talking one day about how we were getting some complaints about rooms. (example, some kid left a box of pokemon cards in a room after they checked out. Housekeeping said they went and looked and found no cards. Somebody else checked in the room. A few days later, the family came back and asked to check the room, I took them to the room, looked under the bed and there were the cards) the maintenance guy said (he said it, I didn’t) if I had my way, I’d fire them all and go find some Mexican ladies. I stayed at a hotel and they had 3 Mexican ladies cleaning my room.
Now he said it as a joke..i think, and I’m sure he would have offended some Latinos had they heard him. But then I thought. Whenever I’ve stayed at a hotel, and they had Latina housekeepers, they were polite and took pride in their work. That’s a part of business, even when u have a bad day. Of course there are blacks that take pride in their work too, so the housekeepers here I’m speaking of are not a good representation. But I mean, should doing the job u were hired to do, be asking too much? That box of cards could have been a pair of dirty drawls.

Do better, black folk. Whether u like it or not, whether you think it’s wrong or right, your ass, to a vast majority of our population, is representing your entire race.

And black folk know it too. On this very site people pigeon hole an entire greek letter org, based on a few chapters on a few campuses. So what am I saying here? I’m saying “please dispose of trash in it’s proper receptacle” lol. Some people may think I don’t like black folk. Wrong. I LOVE black folk. Hell I love my daughter, but when I think she’s doing something wrong or harmful, I’m gonna speak on it and tell her….and not blame another kid.

I was gonna talk about my experiences and black mcdonald’s vs white ones but …nah lol

Ok the shit I wrote could be written better and the like, but I had to get that outta my head. Rant over.


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Oct 03rd 2005
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should i even comment?
Oct 03rd 2005
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BHP, FHP
Oct 03rd 2005
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psst
Oct 03rd 2005
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more or less.
Oct 03rd 2005
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it's a shame pple dont realize this
Oct 03rd 2005
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hey psst
Oct 03rd 2005
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wtf are you talking about
Oct 03rd 2005
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read it agian bon bon. if u can't see the difference between
Oct 03rd 2005
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      why shouldnt someone clean it up
Oct 03rd 2005
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      RE: why shouldnt someone clean it up
Oct 03rd 2005
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           point is. we gotta care about ourselves even if nobody else does
Oct 03rd 2005
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           I dont see any care in anything you typed
Oct 03rd 2005
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                tough love. if somebody in my family is fucking up, and it's
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     i dont console. i understand and i act.
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          dumping water out of a sinking boat is acting...but unless you
Oct 03rd 2005
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           if you did, someone should pick it up
Oct 03rd 2005
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                responsibilty.
Oct 03rd 2005
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      Just thought I should mention...
Oct 03rd 2005
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           yeah the white folk to it cause they know it'll blend in lol
Oct 03rd 2005
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....
Oct 03rd 2005
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but I never remember seeing street cleaners in my neighborhood
Oct 03rd 2005
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dude, you live in texas (houston outskirts specifically)
Oct 03rd 2005
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bah... but in Layzboi's case... it didn't take a flood to see that n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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      what?
Oct 03rd 2005
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Which is funny, cause living in Moneyville, I see them about twice a day...
Oct 03rd 2005
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      aww well.... we never needed them.... people just kept things up
Oct 03rd 2005
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But didn't Lay say Atlanta tho?
Oct 03rd 2005
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in color maybe....but in substance?
Oct 03rd 2005
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GTFOOWTBS... Suburbanites have Property values to protect...
Oct 03rd 2005
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      uhm.....you must have missed this part
Oct 03rd 2005
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           you are being the typical pathetic apologist...
Oct 03rd 2005
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                you're just being pathetic
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     you SAID it in your ORIGINAL POST!
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          meet me at reply 210
Oct 03rd 2005
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i hate niggas who hate niggas.
Oct 03rd 2005
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I just hate NIGGAS.
Oct 03rd 2005
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      ^^^^one of the ones i'm talkin about
Oct 04th 2005
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Give a hoot! Don't pollute!!
Oct 03rd 2005
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I live in a super-poor area (town) and..
Oct 03rd 2005
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y'all fucking up the 'hood (c) Big Gipp
Oct 03rd 2005
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"yo, this a public announcement...
Oct 03rd 2005
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      Thank you. I used to know this word for word.
Oct 03rd 2005
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      OH HELL YEAH! I MISSED THIS ^^^^^^
Oct 04th 2005
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they're gonna say you're racist. n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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i'm gonna say he's dumb
Oct 03rd 2005
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In my predominantly white university,
Oct 03rd 2005
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Funding & Infrastructure? I aint buying it
Oct 03rd 2005
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funding & infrastructure pay for other pple to clean it up
Oct 03rd 2005
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      The other day I watched four older men
Oct 03rd 2005
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RE: In my predominantly white university,
Oct 04th 2005
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      what exactly are the socioeconomic factors of throwing shit on the groun...
Oct 04th 2005
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           I'm talking aoout the socioeconomic factors...
Oct 04th 2005
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                but my post isn't about "more likely" it's about
Oct 04th 2005
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                     Instead of pointing fingers...
Oct 04th 2005
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                          these are word games and i'll tell u why
Oct 04th 2005
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lol @ touching racial buttons. like it's new or some shxt.
Oct 03rd 2005
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flipping the script a bit
Oct 03rd 2005
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.
Oct 03rd 2005
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Assimilated black folk..
Oct 03rd 2005
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but wouldn't you want your people to be the best they could be
Oct 03rd 2005
24
That I agree with too..
Oct 03rd 2005
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yep... deed restrictions ain't no joke......
Oct 03rd 2005
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therein lies a part of the issue...I bet the city officials actually com...
Oct 03rd 2005
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but why should we have to wait til the officials tell us too? n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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tell us? or do their job?
Oct 03rd 2005
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      They shouldn't have to point out and fine in the first place though
Oct 03rd 2005
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           you are both confusing a couple of things
Oct 03rd 2005
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                That's how it is in the suburbs..
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     oh wow
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          RE: oh wow
Oct 03rd 2005
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Depends, I can see your point..
Oct 03rd 2005
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      you're gonna have to break that down
Oct 03rd 2005
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           ..the cities do whatever they can to keep the poor, poor..
Oct 03rd 2005
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                what is your point though?
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     That's what im saying though..
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          I've personally have had calls unanswered by the city
Oct 03rd 2005
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                               That's you, the system never works 100%..
Oct 03rd 2005
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why are you even in this post?
Oct 03rd 2005
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      uhh, why not?
Oct 03rd 2005
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you're missing the point
Oct 03rd 2005
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      .
Oct 03rd 2005
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RE: flipping the script a bit
Oct 03rd 2005
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RE: flipping the script a bit
Oct 03rd 2005
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      RE: flipping the script a bit
Oct 04th 2005
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Black folks ain't faultless.
Oct 03rd 2005
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*head nod* n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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'our'
Oct 03rd 2005
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Why is that even a valid reason?
Oct 03rd 2005
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      u not agreeing/understanding doesn't make it less true.
Oct 03rd 2005
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           Explain why ownership is a valid issue.
Oct 03rd 2005
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                #239.
Oct 03rd 2005
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the self hate is thinking this is strictly a black issue
Oct 03rd 2005
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Why worry about what the next man is doing?
Oct 03rd 2005
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      are you worried about "us"?
Oct 03rd 2005
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           Yes.
Oct 03rd 2005
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nope. but we ain't the only ones with fault either
Oct 03rd 2005
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Stop worrying about those "others".
Oct 03rd 2005
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      as soon as you do
Oct 03rd 2005
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           We don't need to impress anybody.
Oct 03rd 2005
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           its the million dollar question!
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           it's the 10 million dollar question
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                actually often times the SIMPLEST solutions
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     nice bit of rhetoric
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          Hold up...mofo, I KNOW it is that simple...
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                               meet me at 210
Oct 03rd 2005
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           RE: We don't need to impress anybody.
Oct 03rd 2005
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           so, being like the others means keeping your neighborhood
Oct 03rd 2005
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exactly. typical Excuse makers who argue the PEOPLE
Oct 03rd 2005
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      wait a minute
Oct 03rd 2005
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           hold up
Oct 03rd 2005
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           but you all are arguing LAZYboi and not the PROBLEM...
Oct 03rd 2005
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                i'm responding TO HIS POST right now
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     the fuck? I don't recall ANY of you muthafuckas in my community.
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     of course you don't......
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          you make no sense at all...
Oct 03rd 2005
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                               you're 100% right zora
Oct 03rd 2005
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                                    thats all I wanted you to admit : ) n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     even tho i wasn't there, i DID help your clean up day
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     so why aren't you talking to the people who leave the shit
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     i dont even rock with snarky replies like that
Oct 06th 2005
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                     so then by that same accounting
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          boodaah. do i reeeally need to list each and
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     I question your intelligence now, Boodah.....
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          of course you do
Oct 03rd 2005
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PREACH... n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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How about
Oct 03rd 2005
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it's a pattern, tho.
Oct 03rd 2005
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      If you can't show some respect for your living space...........
Oct 03rd 2005
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the irony pt 2
Oct 04th 2005
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litter
Oct 03rd 2005
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Fuck it. It needs to be addressed.
Oct 03rd 2005
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cosign... I agree with the Layz
Oct 03rd 2005
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*hands out chuch fans*
Oct 03rd 2005
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Well, where I live the metro housing to the middle class housing
Oct 03rd 2005
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This post is, well it's shallow on a very deep matter.
Oct 03rd 2005
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i'm not understanding how taxes and the like can influence a
Oct 03rd 2005
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how often does the trash in the trash can get picked up
Oct 03rd 2005
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      again , how often do mothafuckas dump their
Oct 03rd 2005
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      I guess you see this everyday?
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           i'vebeen to 15 states and a foreign country
Oct 03rd 2005
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      How close is the nearest hardware store?
Oct 03rd 2005
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      you live in Philly of all places. be serious about the hardware store.
Oct 03rd 2005
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           thats it pretty much
Oct 03rd 2005
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           So, it's Sanitations fault?
Oct 03rd 2005
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           I've lived in MANY black neighborhoods.
Oct 03rd 2005
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      RE: how often does the trash in the trash can get picked up
Oct 04th 2005
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the people who make these posts
Oct 03rd 2005
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      true....but there are small things that we CAN do...
Oct 03rd 2005
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           no one's suggesting people do nothing
Oct 03rd 2005
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                read my post.....
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                Who's supposed to instill that worth, though?
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                     white folks and property taxes....
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     steeping back to the main post
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          Asking folks to do better and showing them things to aspire to ...
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          wallowing in negativity?
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          because that was good food on a garbage can lid, but the
Oct 03rd 2005
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                               but from parent to parent. if your child is fucking up,
Oct 03rd 2005
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                                    you aren't showing anyone the error in their ways
Oct 03rd 2005
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*crumples post and throws it in recycling bin*
Oct 03rd 2005
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i agree....
Oct 03rd 2005
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take it a step further...N.O. Evacuees in Houston:
Oct 03rd 2005
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that's a little different though...cuz that whole situation is chaotic
Oct 03rd 2005
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you're right
Oct 03rd 2005
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and you think it's because of the race of people that was there?!
Oct 03rd 2005
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didn't say that at all...
Oct 03rd 2005
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      what do u mean, then?
Oct 03rd 2005
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           economic status
Oct 03rd 2005
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                ?
Oct 03rd 2005
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um. WOW.
Oct 03rd 2005
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raised eyebrow
Oct 03rd 2005
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wowo, this is profoundly stupid.
Oct 03rd 2005
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i don't pay attention to runts that can't add
Oct 03rd 2005
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LOL. I may not be able to add anything to this discussion
Oct 03rd 2005
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i applaud the usage of nigger
Oct 03rd 2005
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I'm confused.
Oct 03rd 2005
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I'm sorry, we take a personal disagreement over behavior
Oct 03rd 2005
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      group assignment aside
Oct 03rd 2005
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           responsible for what?
Oct 03rd 2005
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funny, how you NEVER have a point of view but always
Oct 03rd 2005
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      it's spelled *cite, and I believe if you read to the end
Oct 03rd 2005
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      his replies constantly confuse me n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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           you too?
Oct 04th 2005
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the main reason why i moved from philly man
Oct 03rd 2005
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^^^ Bam.
Oct 03rd 2005
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the crazy shit is it don't take much to do ANYTHING
Oct 03rd 2005
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      And as long as we don't define right...
Oct 03rd 2005
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Most of the apartment complexes I've lived in....
Oct 03rd 2005
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You ain't know nothing's ever our fault?
Oct 03rd 2005
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no we have absolutely nothing to do with it
Oct 03rd 2005
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who said that lazy?
Oct 03rd 2005
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      actually i was jumping in with the above posters facetiousness. but
Oct 03rd 2005
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      don't assume lazy...dont' assume
Oct 03rd 2005
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           but i LIVED in gary indiana. i didn't drive through it. that's not
Oct 03rd 2005
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                meet me at reply 210
Oct 03rd 2005
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      They've been explicitly mentioned in several places in this post.
Oct 03rd 2005
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funny thing is , in most suburbs property tax don't even go to
Oct 03rd 2005
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*sigh*
Oct 03rd 2005
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There is more pride taken in rims and less in lawns.n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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dead
Oct 03rd 2005
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^ sad truth n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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you take pride in what you own n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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I take pride in whats AROUND me. Point. blank. n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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please!!!!!!! mad niggas is RENTING rims too
Oct 03rd 2005
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RE: There is more pride taken in rims and less in lawns.n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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That's essentially a summation of what I say to those who hate
Oct 03rd 2005
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white man has us brainwashed to believe he still controls us
Oct 03rd 2005
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if you see it, fix it....or K.I.M and don't say nothing (c) ?uest'nem
Oct 03rd 2005
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from now on i shall close my eyes and ears and never speak the
Oct 03rd 2005
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TRUTH ain't shit, dawg.....HITLER sprinkled some truth
Oct 03rd 2005
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so are u suggesting that lazyboi has a dirty house and property?
Oct 03rd 2005
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      if he is only RESPONSIBLE for himself, he has no moral
Oct 03rd 2005
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QUESTION: what do property taxes and the like
Oct 03rd 2005
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Nuthing @ all, people are really reaching in this post. And I...
Oct 03rd 2005
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the "man" has as much to do with the hood being dirty as he does
Oct 03rd 2005
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      .
Oct 03rd 2005
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      exactly n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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i feel you...
Oct 03rd 2005
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Not all gentrifus are white.n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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leave the race
Oct 03rd 2005
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ha ha now i know that's a lie. y'all rather live next door
Oct 03rd 2005
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      u r the worst kind of blk person
Oct 03rd 2005
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           nonsense. i'm very considerate of those around me,
Oct 03rd 2005
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                maybe i think unwed parents are more of a menace to my community
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     on parents that don't raise their kids and the litter was an
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     use plain english
Oct 03rd 2005
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                          let me break it down like this (c) j-live
Oct 03rd 2005
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                               way to avoid the subject
Oct 03rd 2005
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                                    u are dropping one liners, fire surely u can't be serious (c) airplane
Oct 03rd 2005
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                     *guffaw*
Oct 03rd 2005
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yo lazy, after I took a good 3 minutes out of my day to fully cosign you
Oct 03rd 2005
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once again, another snarky remark of no substance
Oct 03rd 2005
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hey reginald, on the real. honestly, do me a favor
Oct 03rd 2005
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      so thats how I cna help black people?
Oct 03rd 2005
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           this post is the internet equivalent to street litter
Oct 03rd 2005
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                *snorts*
Oct 03rd 2005
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i hate those convos
Oct 03rd 2005
150
take ur apologist ass back to ur french cafe so u can kiss more
Oct 03rd 2005
156
      yeah yeah
Oct 03rd 2005
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i see both sides of the coin
Oct 03rd 2005
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isn't admitting our part in a problem the 1st step? i mean if
Oct 03rd 2005
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      did you give uncle pete an intervention?
Oct 03rd 2005
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           RE: did you give uncle pete an intervention?
Oct 03rd 2005
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                that person who bought jordans
Oct 03rd 2005
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but, sean-sean ... Black folx dont wanna hear the truth....
Oct 03rd 2005
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^ yup n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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operative word is "do" n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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200+ posts in: PUT UP OR SHUT-UP
Oct 03rd 2005
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see, and y'all said my words and post weren't helping anything.
Oct 03rd 2005
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now THIS is the OKP i know and love...
Oct 03rd 2005
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this post is a team effort. now of course we got some
Oct 03rd 2005
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there are no sides you idiot. you didn't make a point.
Oct 03rd 2005
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      ha ha dude, do you not understand
Oct 03rd 2005
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this post is a team effort. now of course we got some
Oct 03rd 2005
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*standing O* we need more CosbyBoi statements like this
Oct 03rd 2005
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RE: This post may touch some racial buttons but here goes
Oct 03rd 2005
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on one hand, yeah, it seems like poorer black neighborhoods have
Oct 03rd 2005
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Aggregate Response
Oct 03rd 2005
229
And Another Thing
Oct 03rd 2005
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you and LittleTortilla summed up my stance
Oct 03rd 2005
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Basically.
Oct 03rd 2005
241
who are you responding to?
Oct 06th 2005
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on: ownership
Oct 03rd 2005
239
MARRY me.
Oct 03rd 2005
248
praise jesus
Oct 03rd 2005
251
*copies, pastes, saves*
Oct 03rd 2005
258
It ain't all about "never having had", chief...
Oct 03rd 2005
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      EXACTLY
Oct 03rd 2005
261
      Like renting a whip from Avis and crashing it...
Oct 03rd 2005
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           Exactly!
Oct 04th 2005
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           thats a really dumb analogy. a more accurate one would be
Oct 06th 2005
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      tell 'em why you mad son!!! n/m
Oct 03rd 2005
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      why do you think we neglect?
Oct 04th 2005
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      Cause the White man is holding us down...
Oct 04th 2005
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           so, no answer?
Oct 04th 2005
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                ^^^ missed it.
Oct 04th 2005
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      u didn't address anything i said.
Oct 06th 2005
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           But why do WE neglect?
Oct 06th 2005
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                thats bullshit tho.
Oct 06th 2005
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                i answered this.
Oct 06th 2005
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real shit. more people need to speak truth like this. nm
Oct 03rd 2005
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only blk ppl can hate blk ppl w/ such fervor.
Oct 03rd 2005
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lol... y'all seriously think this is about hating black people....
Oct 04th 2005
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the 2 sides arent as far apart as they think
Oct 03rd 2005
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i agree...take it back (c) kweli
Oct 04th 2005
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More of 'us' moving back in the hood.... by this you mean...
Oct 04th 2005
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by 'us' i mean'us'
Oct 04th 2005
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on moving back....... man i have
Oct 04th 2005
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      & i feel you on that.
Oct 04th 2005
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you know, a lot of these things that a lot of yas
Oct 03rd 2005
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This is why I ONLY litter in wealthy white neighborhoods
Oct 03rd 2005
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CO.SIGN. IT IS WHAT IT IS.
Oct 03rd 2005
253
*squeezes in the post*
Oct 03rd 2005
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lol..are we late?
Oct 04th 2005
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funny you mention this, i was tailgating at the falcons game yesterday
Oct 03rd 2005
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Has anyone here heard of the "broken windows" theory?
Oct 03rd 2005
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Whites folks do love destroying some shit, though.
Oct 03rd 2005
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My 2 cents
Oct 04th 2005
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Most densely populated areas ain't the cleanest in the world....
Oct 04th 2005
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I don't think we should underestimate the role...
Oct 04th 2005
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Americans tend to over-emphasize personal agency.
Oct 04th 2005
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      You're exactly right....
Oct 04th 2005
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           did you ever read The Tipping Point?
Oct 04th 2005
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                Not yet...
Oct 04th 2005
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When will you all realize that niggas like it dirty? Da......
Oct 04th 2005
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*sheds single tear, like the old indian in the commercial, at this post*...
Oct 04th 2005
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This is an excellent reply.
Oct 06th 2005
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300
Oct 05th 2005
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one mo gain
Oct 05th 2005
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i've skimmed/read a lot of this post
Oct 06th 2005
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^^^^ floats over us with arms outstretched
Oct 06th 2005
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It's still here? *hits post over the head* open and shut case
Oct 06th 2005
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I'm surprised its not deleted, mods be on that bullshit
Oct 06th 2005
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2. "should i even comment?"
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I seen all kinds of people litter. Everywhere I been. And I done located and relocated quite a bit.

I think the whole planet as a whole should do better.

And all that other stuff you were talking about. Iono. I temped at a hospital, sometimes housekeeping is lazy. They get tired. These were people of many descents, and we got madd phone calls. So, this post is kind of mute to me.

Everyone should do better.

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256. "BHP, FHP"
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Bout his people, for his people.

I may not be saying anything that hasn't been said before, but I may be saying something that someone's never heard before.

  

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3. "psst"
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they have litter in other (read:white) areas too, the rub is that the city cleans it up faster so as not to tarnish the image of the "good areas"

they care less about where y'all darkies live, hence the trash builds up

now, why do folks tear up their own neighborhoods? couldn't answer that (although a big part of it has to do with lack of ownership sand not REALLY feelign liek the neighborhood is something you should invest in...at even that small a level)

just don't act like poor folks, minorities, or whichever "they" you wanna choose, got a market on litter

  

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6. "more or less."
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>they care less about where y'all darkies live, hence the trash
>builds up



>now, why do folks tear up their own neighborhoods? couldn't
>answer that (although a big part of it has to do with lack of
>ownership sand not REALLY feelign liek the neighborhood is
>something you should invest in...at even that small a level)

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8. "it's a shame pple dont realize this"
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>they have litter in other (read:white) areas too, the rub is
>that the city cleans it up faster so as not to tarnish the
>image of the "good areas"
>
>they care less about where y'all darkies live, hence the trash
>builds up
>

on this next thing though:
it's amazing how attitudes change when a neighborhood is cleaned or spruced-up
sometimes pple have to see stuff clean to appreciate it and keep it clean

>now, why do folks tear up their own neighborhoods? couldn't
>answer that (although a big part of it has to do with lack of
>ownership sand not REALLY feelign liek the neighborhood is
>something you should invest in...at even that small a level)

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10. "hey psst"
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not THAT much litter. that's why i made the "piss" comparison. u gonna worry about what the "links" company is doing with their bathroom when you work for the "lox" company?



>
>now, why do folks tear up their own neighborhoods? couldn't
>answer that (although a big part of it has to do with lack of
>ownership sand not REALLY feelign liek the neighborhood is
>something you should invest in...at even that small a level)

nah negroes are just lazy. it's the i don't care what happens to it, as long as i ain't gotta deal with it.

+>just don't act like poor folks, minorities, or whichever
>"they" you wanna choose, got a market on litter

of course not. but much like athletes, the shorter, slower, bench etc... has to work harder than the multi million dollar star. dig? just the way it is.


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12. "wtf are you talking about"
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summa y'all just amaze me

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18. "read it agian bon bon. if u can't see the difference between"
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years and years of accumilation and more and more getting addes to it, vs litter that gets cleaned up quickly,then get soem glasses. at some point u gotta realize. oh shit they ain't cleaning this shit up maybe i need to stop leaving shit here.

in gary we've cleaned up shit and a week later, shit is right back headed in the same direction it was before. somebdoy abandoned and old fuckin boat in a neighorhood. now. of course i'm upset at the city for not coming to get it, but i'm also pissed at the ass that left it there.

why did he do it? he was too lazy to dispose of it the proper way.

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28. "why shouldnt someone clean it up"
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at some point u gotta realize. oh shit they
>ain't cleaning this shit up maybe i need to stop leaving shit
>here.

do these pple not pay taxes too?

>
>in gary we've cleaned up shit and a week later, shit is right
>back headed in the same direction it was before.

did you go clean it up again?
did you organize a group to make sure it stays clean?
did you involve the people in the community you cleaned?
did you actually do this or are you just talking?
if so, how many times and in how many places


of
>course i'm upset at the city for not coming to get it,

#1 issue

>
>why did he do it? he was too lazy to dispose of it the proper
>way.

maybe he called and the city still never picked it up?
I've seen that happen
but a few pple do not make me color a whole group of pple one way

you are just plain ridiculous

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36. "RE: why shouldnt someone clean it up"
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>
>do these pple not pay taxes too?

meaning what? some do. and? i pay taxes so i need to leave my old couch and mcdonald's bag here?

>
>>
>>in gary we've cleaned up shit and a week later, shit is
>right
>>back headed in the same direction it was before.
>
>did you go clean it up again?

i dont' live there anymore. u all on me, instead of the people that leave all their shit there. how much sense does that make?

>did you organize a group to make sure it stays clean?

mothafuckas taking some pride in their surroundings and not being lazy would make sure it stayed cleaned.


>did you actually do this or are you just talking?
>if so, how many times and in how many places

i siad i did it. and u asked me if i did it. as if my answer is gonna change. ha ha



>
>
> of
>>course i'm upset at the city for not coming to get it,
>
>#1 issue
>
>>
>>why did he do it? he was too lazy to dispose of it the
>proper
>>way.
>
>maybe he called and the city still never picked it up?

ha ha so tow that shit to a neighborhood and leave it in a vacant lot. yeah leave it for the neighborhood to deal with. clean your glasses, bon.


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38. "point is. we gotta care about ourselves even if nobody else does"
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47. "I dont see any care in anything you typed"
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let me know how the cleanup goes though

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52. "tough love. if somebody in my family is fucking up, and it's"
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some shit they can help to fix, but don't, no i'm not gonna rub their back and console them. u shouldn't either. it's harmful/

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61. "i dont console. i understand and i act."
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but you keep flapping
note that you said "help fix" not fix totally themselves

also remember tough love doesnt work for everyone

>some shit they can help to fix, but don't, no i'm not gonna
>rub their back and console them. u shouldn't either. it's
>harmful/
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81. "dumping water out of a sinking boat is acting...but unless you"
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plug the hole, it's not as effective

u seem to want to ignore the hole

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43. "if you did, someone should pick it up"
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which is the bottom line



>>do these pple not pay taxes too?
>
>meaning what? some do. and? i pay taxes so i need to leave
>my old couch and mcdonald's bag here?
>
>>

you need to clean your mind

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59. "responsibilty."
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a wonderful word.


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188. "Just thought I should mention..."
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Some people come from out of town , just to dump their trash in Gary. Many a pick-up truck piled with trash have been stopped on the back roads leadin into, i.e.Clark Road, Chase Street...










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193. "yeah the white folk to it cause they know it'll blend in lol"
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all them negroes ont he cirty payroll out there to see mike jackson. hand them all one trashbag. lol

facetious

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40. "...."
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>not THAT much litter.

buildup.

>u gonna worry about what the "links" company is
>doing with their bathroom when you work for the "lox" company?

but that's exactly what you did. you compared how things are at lox, compared to how they are at links

beyond that though, the point is that you more often than not really to imply (by the nature of how you pose the questions/accusations) that only the lox do it

otherwise you'd say "why don't we ALL do something about this problem?" not just "do better porchmonkies...." (or however you put it)

>nah negroes are just lazy. it's the i don't care what happens
>to it, as long as i ain't gotta deal with it.

don't be so quick to scuttle that. in an area where you feel like "this is MY street/block/whatever" because you OWN somethign there, you feel more invested than someone who is just there until they move to the next place. this is the same reason folks junk up public bathrooms, and freeways and rest areas....they don't necessarily have to STAY in the mess they create...liek the person who has put money into that spot

>of course not. but much like athletes, the shorter, slower,
>bench etc... has to work harder than the multi million dollar
>star. dig? just the way it is.

perhaps. but just like the player who is just there to get his check and only does what he has to do maintain that, if the person doesn't feel like part of (or have a sense of) team...then only their comfort at any moment is key. they only do what they do with no care abotu the greater unit...be that unit the team or the neighborhood

  

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14. "but I never remember seeing street cleaners in my neighborhood"
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unless they were coming out at 2 A.M.

  

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21. "dude, you live in texas (houston outskirts specifically)"
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y'all just let it collect in the gullys (those ditches y'all have instead of sidewalks) and wait for the rain/floodwater to wash it away

before rita, as my almost-last act before i left, my brother and i spent 3 hours digging all the trash/crud/sticks/mud/etc that had dammed up his drain

  

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27. "bah... but in Layzboi's case... it didn't take a flood to see that n/m"
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42. "what?"
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147. "Which is funny, cause living in Moneyville, I see them about twice a day..."
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Seriously.

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197. "aww well.... we never needed them.... people just kept things up"
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it was just understood.

  

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103. "But didn't Lay say Atlanta tho?"
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114. "in color maybe....but in substance?"
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do they NOT see it as a "us/them" kinda thing?

they sure did when i was there

  

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152. "GTFOOWTBS... Suburbanites have Property values to protect..."
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people who don't OWN shyt tend to litter...
transient people typically don't care, cause they're not invested.

I've lived in both --affluent suburbs and city--and
the fact of the matter is that people who OWN their
properties take a certain pride in their neighborhoods.

The litter tends to be minimal at best.

apologists make me sick. Lazyboi has a valid point.


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163. "uhm.....you must have missed this part"
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"now, why do folks tear up their own neighborhoods? couldn't answer that (although a big part of it has to do with lack of ownership sand not REALLY feeling like the neighborhood is something you should invest in...at even that small a level)"

what are you rambling about again?

  

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174. "you are being the typical pathetic apologist..."
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cause you admit that you don't know why people "tear up their neighborhood"...which implies that the people WITHIN the torn neighborhoods are the source of the problem...yet you steady making excuses to blame white people who won't subsidize the costs for their clean-up.

And why should they? Isn't it YOUR responsibility to maintain YOUR shyt?

Am I missing something here?






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187. "you're just being pathetic"
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in all i've typed please show me what qualifies as "steady making excuses" and "blaming white people"

in my apologist whatever-ness i guess i missed all that

  

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191. "you SAID it in your ORIGINAL POST!"
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>>they have litter in other (read:white) areas too, the rub is that the city cleans it up faster so as not to tarnish the image of the "good areas"

they care less about where y'all darkies live, hence the trash builds up<<<


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212. "meet me at reply 210"
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4. "i hate niggas who hate niggas."
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we still cool tho. i can admit that our generation has a LOT to learn when it comes to simple things like responsibility...but at the same time that has to be something you're TAUGHT by your forebears.

in other words, i blame bill cosby.

  

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254. "I just hate NIGGAS."
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Love me some Black folk though...just love'em.

I may not be saying anything that hasn't been said before, but I may be saying something that someone's never heard before.

  

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7. "I live in a super-poor area (town) and.."
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....yes, it's about 98% white (by census statistics), most poor, and yet it might be the cleanest area I've ever lived in.

  

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9. "y'all fucking up the 'hood (c) Big Gipp"
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damn, I wish I could remember the full quote

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87. ""yo, this a public announcement..."
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"man, i'm so sick of seeing trash on the damn street, man...

i'm sick of y'all folk coming up outta the store, taking your little candy out & throwing your little paper on the ground - it's fuckin' up the hood...

also, man i'm sick of y'all folk standing around, you know, when you're talking to your folk or something, y'all drankin' on a little somethin' somethin' - you take it, you pour it out to your dead homey, but
then you throw the bitch right at him...

man, don't shut me up, home, i'm doin' what i do...

all around the next man, we fuckin' up our own hood."


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199. "Thank you. I used to know this word for word."
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I'm gonna have to pop that disc in tonight.

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288. "OH HELL YEAH! I MISSED THIS ^^^^^^"
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11. "they're gonna say you're racist. n/m"
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155. "i'm gonna say he's dumb"
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13. "In my predominantly white university,"
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...many eons ago, the kids would get falling down drunk during Spring Festival, and make general chaos and destruction of those beautifully manicured lawns...

...but somehow, things were always spotlessly gleaming by Monday morning.

All people make messes (people are messes). Funding and infrastructure cleans things up.

The Cali version of me.


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17. "Funding & Infrastructure? I aint buying it"
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people clean shit up...

period

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20. "funding & infrastructure pay for other pple to clean it up"
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which makes it easy to keep it clean
how is this not easily understood

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161. "The other day I watched four older men"
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clean up a lot on the block that had been run down...

I agree that funding helps in terms of providing services, for example, you need streets and sanitation to maintain the city.

But utimately a sense of self worth creates clean neighborhoods.

Its not either or its both and

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273. "RE: In my predominantly white university,"
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>...many eons ago, the kids would get falling down drunk
>during Spring Festival, and make general chaos and destruction
>of those beautifully manicured lawns...
>
>...but somehow, things were always spotlessly gleaming by
>Monday morning.
>
>All people make messes (people are messes). Funding and
>infrastructure cleans things up.

Absolutely true. I had the same experience at both of the predominately white schools I attended (undergraduate and professional.) Those students could have cared less about their empty beer bottles on the ground (in addition to other unsanitary items). The difference is, they knew that the custodial staff would come right behind them to clean up their messes. I know that the poster was using litter to represent a bigger issue of personal responsibility, but let's not play the role of "blame the black man" and ignore the socioeconomic factors that affect these situations.

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289. "what exactly are the socioeconomic factors of throwing shit on the groun..."
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>unsanitary items). The difference is, they knew that the
>custodial staff would come right behind them to clean up their
>messes. I know that the poster was using litter to represent a
>bigger issue of personal responsibility, but let's not play
>the role of "blame the black man" and ignore the socioeconomic
>factors that affect these situations.


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291. "I'm talking aoout the socioeconomic factors..."
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that result in the decay of the neighborhood. I was making two points,

1) Black people are not more likely than "others" to litter and allow their community to decline (as your original post seems to imply.)I was using my experience living around white people to illustrate my point.

2)Let's look at the socioeconomic factors that result in the deplorable neighborhood conditions. (See Post #265) What you see is the culmination of years of indifference by local/state government, private property owners (many who don't even stay in the neighborhoods) and (some) residents. We can't just put the blame on Jojo and 'nem because he didn't pick up his gum wrapper.

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294. "but my post isn't about "more likely" it's about"
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what people in that neighborhood did. i'm not worried abotu what's more likely to happen. i'm speaking on what already happened.
but let's use rthis example.

white neighbohoods are cleaned by the city
black neighborhoods are not cleaned by the city
group of white folk dump trash on the streets in their neighborhoods
group of black folk dump trash on the streets in their neighborhoods


both are wrong and pretty deplorable
but who is the bigger fool here?

if my cholesterol is 315 and yours is 2.
why am i stuffing cheeseburgers down my throat worrying about you? but she eating the same thing.




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295. "Instead of pointing fingers..."
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I would rather look at "why" this is occurring. I think other posters have done a good job of discussing the complexity of the issue, so I'm not going to rehash it.

In the area where my grandfather lives, you frequently see piles of trash laying along the street. Are the residents lazy, trifling, nasty people? No, the city (and the sanitation workers) will NOT pick up the trash in a timely manner and sometimes they won't even come at all. What are they supposed to do? Let the trash pile up in the house? Maybe they're supposed to rent a garbage truck themselves and carry it out.

Anyway, I'm assuming that your post was written out of general concern for our people and not just to criticize, so I'm not going to knock you for your views--just wanted to present another perspective on the issue.

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299. "these are word games and i'll tell u why"
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>I would rather look at "why" this is occurring.

i speci. asked "why do we do this to ourselves?"


>In the area where my grandfather lives, you frequently see
>piles of trash laying along the street. Are the residents
>lazy, trifling, nasty people? No, the city (and the sanitation
>workers) will NOT pick up the trash in a timely manner and
>sometimes they won't even come at all. What are they supposed
>to do? Let the trash pile up in the house? Maybe they're
>supposed to rent a garbage truck themselves and carry it out.

not the same situation we aren't talking about overflowing trash cans here. we are talking about people dumping shit and leaving beer bottles all over the place. the sanitation workers didn't place that shit done on the curb. the negroes on the corner did that shit


>Anyway, I'm assuming that your post was written out of general
>concern for our people and not just to criticize, so I'm not
>going to knock you for your views--just wanted to present
>another perspective on the issue.

it really was out of frustration AND concern.

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15. "lol @ touching racial buttons. like it's new or some shxt."
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if i could compile all of the racial buttons that existed that we've "touched" on these boards, it would look like nasa's control center.

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16. "flipping the script a bit"
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let's talk about Black folks that dislike Black folk

folks who rarely, if ever, have to say anything positive about their own

ALL they see (or at least talk about) is the negative

and for some strange reason they think/imply that the negative behavior is unique unto their own people, depite BEING an example that it's not

how odd is that?

it's like when someone prejudiced, when faced with an example of one of "them" who isn't like that, says "but they aren't like the ret of them" or "they aren't one of them"....except in this case the speaker doesn't seem themself as part of the group about which they are speaking

i've noticed this QUITE a bit here of late....whe got a whole lot of Sgt. Waters-types (see: soldier's story) around here.

sad

  

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19. "."
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~G.D.

  

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23. "Assimilated black folk.."
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...matter of fact, assimilated people of color who are quick to say "Oh don't judge me like that, I'm not like them"..

It bugs me. At the end of the day, the skin color is still shared and that's what you're going to be judged as by others.

It's all cultures though, but just something that bugs me.

  

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24. "but wouldn't you want your people to be the best they could be"
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..... correct them when they are wrong?

or would you just rather blame whitey, when it's still your responsibility to keep your own area up?

Can't depend on them for everything... we talking about doing for ourselves but..... *shrug*

  

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31. "That I agree with too.."
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...ultimately, it shouldn't be the responsibility of another person to clean up the area. If you don't make a mess, you have a cleaner neighborhood.

I know that in a lot of white neighborhoods, even something as small as your lawn getting too high, they will be quick to call city officials to fine them. Gotta' take care of your neighborhoods.

  

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34. "yep... deed restrictions ain't no joke......"
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fallin down fences.... bad paint on the house........ grass too high..... basketball goals not maintained...........

Home-owners association will spank dat a--.

  

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35. "therein lies a part of the issue...I bet the city officials actually com..."
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they will be quick to
>call city officials to fine them. Gotta' take care of your
>neighborhoods.

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41. "but why should we have to wait til the officials tell us too? n/m"
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49. "tell us? or do their job?"
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what are you talking about?

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54. "They shouldn't have to point out and fine in the first place though"
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is what he's saying. It should be clean without having to get the city involved.

People just need to take care of their stuff and have a sense of pride in whatever they own.

  

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68. "you are both confusing a couple of things"
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and I know you dont think that places like cities are kept clean by people standing outside cleaning and hauling things by themselves
you really cant be that delusional
I wont even get into property ownership

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82. "That's how it is in the suburbs.."
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...everyone mowed their lawn, kept it clean, painted their own houses, paved their own driveways, kept their shit clean.

Hell, that's how it is here and this are is poor as hell.

It's not a city thing to come out and clean. I've been here a year and a half and I've yet to ever see anything beyond having prison-workers picking up trash along the highway.

It's ultimately up to the person who owns/rents the home to clean that shit up. It should be recognized, a call shouldn't need to be placed by a neighbor.

Just have some pride in what you have, that's all that should be needed.

  

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94. "oh wow"
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after you empty your trash, does a trash collector not come to pick it up
if you had to get rid of a couch, could you call and have it picked up and it actually got picked up
did you have designated days you could leave stuff to be picked up
did pple not come when you called about your neighbors' filth?
were your streets swept?
these are luxuries that should not be luxuries that many take for granted

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104. "RE: oh wow"
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>after you empty your trash, does a trash collector not come
>to pick it up
>if you had to get rid of a couch, could you call and have it
>picked up and it actually got picked up
>did you have designated days you could leave stuff to be
>picked up
>did pple not come when you called about your neighbors'
>filth?
>were your streets swept?
>these are luxuries that should not be luxuries that many take
>for granted
>

I never saw a street sweeper. Yes, trash collector came to pick things up (out of a big community dumpster). I never called about my neighbors filth because everyone had a sense of pride about what they had, so they kept it clean. Designated days to leave stuff to be picked up? Yeah, thursdays. The garbage trucks still go to the poor areas... If anything, take your shit somewhere where it will be picked up, to an apartment dumpster and get that shit outta' where you live. Should they have to take their garbage somewhere else ie: dump? No, but that's life - it's certainly not fair. It just takes a sense of pride and the initiative to want to live in a clean neighborhood. Let the responsibility fall on poor people to clean their own area up because they ultimately have control over it.

  

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44. "Depends, I can see your point.."
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...i can also see that the cities will do whatever it takes to make them money, they don't hesitate to squeeze money out of the poor in every other manner, you know?

  

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50. "you're gonna have to break that down"
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I dont get what you're typing

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65. "..the cities do whatever they can to keep the poor, poor.."
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...minimum wages are low, gentrification, etc..

Granted, everyone SHOULD strive to become college graduates (which would at least secure something decent pay-wise), but for some people life doesn't work out that way. That's a deeper issue within the layers too..

...I don't think the city would hesitate to milk the poor for more money.

  

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74. "what is your point though?"
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of course cities keep some pple poor
these pple still pay their share of taxes though
and community amenities should apply to them as well
the city already milks the poor for money that they'll never see again

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85. "That's what im saying though.."
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...they milk the poor...

..so what should stop them from milking the poor even more when it comes to coming out and fining people for not cleaning their shit up?

  

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97. "I've personally have had calls unanswered by the city"
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maybe you havent had this experience
but now that you know it happens does that even help you or are you still trying to generalize

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113. "That's you, the system never works 100%.."
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...depends what you were trying to call the city for. The govt is ass backwards (even my mother who works for it will tell you that).. I'm not saying that they don't fail to do their jobs, Im saying that they shouldn't have to do the job of coming out and fining people because they can't clean up their own mess in the first place.

  

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231. "why are you even in this post?"
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246. "uhh, why not?"
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63. "you're missing the point"
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the poinnt is not that Black folks don't have things they need to address, moreso it (in this sub thread) is a

"with friends like that we don't need enemies" type deal

if all we hear outta you is the same thing we hear out of those who DON"T care about us, it's hard to tell which side of the fence you're on

similarly, when you're trying to help someone there are ways to do it that are more effective than others

setting yourself apart from US, as though YOU somehow transcended being a part of "Black folks" is an odd strategy

if you want the neighborhood clean, which is better: to pass by, point and say "you need to do better" or to joining up with some likeminded folsk and sayign "let US fix this"

lets call a spade a spade, this thype of thing isn't abotu helping US "do better" (a phrase which y'all have about milked past it's usefulness)...it's about looking down on your own and feeling/beign somehow superior

y'all say "we dont' need the man to hold us down, we do it to ourselves" yet don't see how Y-O-U are very much part of that. we don't need whitey to talk about how bad we are incessantly...we got you

  

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101. "."
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>y'all say "we dont' need the man to hold us down, we do it to
>ourselves" yet don't see how Y-O-U are very much part of that.
>we don't need whitey to talk about how bad we are
>incessantly...we got you
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25. "RE: flipping the script a bit"
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that's not me. i discuss both. but i'm not a rest on my laurels type of person. more has to be done. more can be done. it's like a pro bodybuilder. he's contsantly tryin to improve. he doesn't just stop and keep admiring his physiquwe


>
>it's like when someone prejudiced, when faced with an example
>of one of "them" who isn't like that, says "but they aren't
>like the ret of them" or "they aren't one of them"....except
>in this case the speaker doesn't seem themself as part of the
>group about which they are speaking

i'm part of the group but there are definitely differences. can't apologize for that.

again the same way if a group of sigmas, savagely beat and kill a kid tryignto get in. u gonna say "i'm not like those sigmas" ain't nothing wrong with that in my mind.

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135. "RE: flipping the script a bit"
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>that's not me. i discuss both.

do you? all jokes aside for a sec

your posts generally fit into one of a few categories. you're either joking, talking about people at your job(s) behind their back....with pictures even, talking about your daughter situation(s) or the situations of other cats who knocked up or associated withthe wrong woman, or jousting with pop culture references

i can't remember a SINGLE post abotu anythign positive Black folsk have done or do

that's nto to say it hasnt' happened....but I honestly can't remember them/it. i will say that if they/it has occured for ever one of those you've put up 10 "i hate niggers" type posts. f'rill

i think you're a pretty cool cat. if given the chance in real life i think we could be cool (friends maybe even) but staright up man to man...THIS kinda stuff gets tiring. after a point i truly wonder when you stopped seeing yrouself as part of the group that, if it exists, you're a part of.

you try to chop it real fine on some "i'm different than THOSE of us...and i guess that makes you feel better...but homie. even if you ARE somehow not in "that" group, if you're tryinng to help the rest of "us" then this ain't the way to do it

> but i'm not a rest on my
>laurels type of person. more has to be done. more can be
>done. it's like a pro bodybuilder. he's contsantly tryin to
>improve. he doesn't just stop and keep admiring his
>physiquwe

lets stay with that analogy. if you're training and 90% of what you hear is how slow you're progressing, comparisons to how well others are doing then you're gonna get weary. "tough love" doesn't work on EVERYONE. sometimes you gotta SHOW the love part too (as stated below). it's NOT abotu RESTING on laurels at all, but it's also just as much not about driving the folks you're supposed t be helping into the ground. you GOTTA see that

>i'm part of the group but there are definitely differences.
>can't apologize for that.

you shoudl though....or at least recognize that the level to which you dissect "us" isn't universal. there are plenty...within and without that when they see you...they see them

> again the same way if a group of sigmas, savagely beat and
>kill a kid tryignto get in. u gonna say "i'm not like those
>sigmas" ain't nothing wrong with that in my mind.

no. what i'll say is "not all sigmas are like that". afterward, rather than just distance myself....so as not to be spotted...i will recognize that they are part of "us" and simply for the sake of "us" we need to address their behavior (help 'em, rather than just hang 'em otu to dry) so when somebody who doesn't know better sees them i won't have to spend my whole life making excuses for them or myself

  

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293. "RE: flipping the script a bit"
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>
>that's nto to say it hasnt' happened....but I honestly can't
>remember them/it. i will say that if they/it has occured for
>ever one of those you've put up 10 "i hate niggers" type
>posts. f'rill

well i HAVE put them up. likewise when i see shit that frustrates me, especially simple easy to fix shit, i let my opinion be known about it.

>
>i think you're a pretty cool cat. if given the chance in real
>life i think we could be cool (friends maybe even) but
>staright up man to man...THIS kinda stuff gets tiring. after a
>point i truly wonder when you stopped seeing yrouself as part
>of the group that, if it exists, you're a part of.

let me be clear. i am a black person. i LOVE black people. but much liek the frat saying goes. every Kappa/Sigma ain't my brother. these assholes that happen to be african american that don't care about anybody but themselves, that would just as quickly do me and you harm without breathing. fuck em. on any level.

if i do what i need to do to better myself and elevate myself in whatever way, am i to be ashamed of that? hell no. is it wrong for me to say i made better decision than say a raper? hell no.

>
>you try to chop it real fine on some "i'm different than THOSE
>of us...and i guess that makes you feel better...but homie.
>even if you ARE somehow not in "that" group, if you're tryinng
>to help the rest of "us" then this ain't the way to do it

no coddling ain't the way to do it. that neighborhood that i spoke us, NO ONE put that trash there but who? us. PERIOD. that's the truth. look at the big gipp quote above. ever heard the remedy by q-tip and common. or how about "SELF" destruction? i'm just saying a lot of things that our race goes through (not all) is brought upon us by ourselves. that's the truth. if it hurts, say ouch and let's find away to take away the pain. as soon as the white man says some sideways shit, we ready to march, and protest and all that shit. the cops shoot a 13 year old that steas a car and joyrides, and fails to stop. we are outraged. well balance that shit up. where is the outrage that this guy's parents didn't raise him right? where is the outrage that his lil ass was out that late? where is the outrage that no one schooled him that moving a car in a cops direction IS seen as a threat? the outrage is here. i'm not gonna get punk'd into marching for any thug, hoodlum, n*gga, or R &B singer and supporting him when HE did some shit wrong...just because he's black.




>
>lets stay with that analogy. if you're training and 90% of
>what you hear is how slow you're progressing, comparisons to
>how well others are doing then you're gonna get weary.

yeah if i'm doing evething i'm sposed to be doing. but i'm not doing everything in my power. i'm eating twinkies and laying down all day

"tough
>love" doesn't work on EVERYONE. sometimes you gotta SHOW the
>love part too (as stated below). it's NOT abotu RESTING on
>laurels at all, but it's also just as much not about driving
>the folks you're supposed t be helping into the ground. you
>GOTTA see that

stating a fact "black man dumped a couch in his own neighborhood" ain't running anybody down. if anything after years and years of frustration, this is the result. i'm tired of a broke negro mad cause his lights got turned off,....but he's got the latest jordans and sneakers. i'm not gonna loan him money anymore, because obviously THAT ain't working. N*GGA STOP BUYING 100 DOLLAR SHOES AND PAY YOUR LIGHT BILL! THAT's tough love. cause if i didn't love, i wouldn't care. obviously i do care. it's for his own good he needs somebody to rile his ass up.

>>
>you shoudl though....or at least recognize that the level to
>which you dissect "us" isn't universal. there are
>plenty...within and without that when they see you...they see
>them

exactly i said that in my original post.

>
>> again the same way if a group of sigmas, savagely beat and
>>kill a kid tryignto get in. u gonna say "i'm not like those
>>sigmas" ain't nothing wrong with that in my mind.
>
>no. what i'll say is "not all sigmas are like that".

but u'd be one of the sigmas "not like that" right? no words games.

>afterward, rather than just distance myself....so as not to be
>spotted...i will recognize that they are part of "us" and
>simply for the sake of "us" we need to address their behavior

ok that's good for you. but any Kappa that did some shit like that. i'm like "hey you are a grwon man, u knew the fucking rules, the line was crossed, get the fuck out my face" cause n*ggas like that will bring us ALL down. those fuckas will bankrupt an entire frat? and why? were they doing it to help us and the frat? hell no. they were selfish. at some point you may be able to be like "look bruh, don't do that" but they have already passed that point.


>(help 'em, rather than just hang 'em otu to dry) so when
>somebody who doesn't know better sees them i won't have to
>spend my whole life making excuses for them or myself

they hang themselves out to dry. i mean really does anybody listed NOT know that:

trash goes in the garbage.
pissy mattresses don't belong on the side of the street
initiates ain't to be hit or hazed
bills are meant to be paid
you don't steal what doesn't belong to you....no matter what u may or may not have
when a cop tells u to stop, you stop
you don't fuck little kids....especially your family

etc...
(all problems that transcend color) ain't like these dudes are clueless, a lot of them make a decision to do the wrong thing. at that point, i'm not making u my enemy....u made yourself my enemy.


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29. "Black folks ain't faultless."
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The White man hasn't prevented us from cleaning up our neighborhoods and homes.

Fuck outta here with that self-hate shit...

  

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32. "*head nod* n/m"
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33. "'our'"
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ownership (or lack thereof) isn't a factor here?

~G.D.

  

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51. "Why is that even a valid reason?"
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If you reside there, it's yours.

Take care of it until you get something that is "yours".

  

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62. "u not agreeing/understanding doesn't make it less true."
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~G.D.

  

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99. "Explain why ownership is a valid issue."
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249. "#239."
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~G.D.

  

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37. "the self hate is thinking this is strictly a black issue"
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or not realizing what the obstacles may be
and the pointing fingers and not doing anything

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53. "Why worry about what the next man is doing?"
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He for damn sure ain't worrying about us.

  

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76. "are you worried about "us"?"
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109. "Yes."
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Are you?

  

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46. "nope. but we ain't the only ones with fault either"
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hit dogs WILL holler

  

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58. "Stop worrying about those "others"."
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71. "as soon as you do"
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if the only reason you wanna help is so we will be more like (or not look bad to) "the others" then physician heal thyself

rather than look down your nose at how the lowly don't get right, stop and help...if nothign else it'll give your arguement a TAD more basis

  

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127. "We don't need to impress anybody."
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If anything, that is what needs to be drilled into our collective heads.

The question is, why live like that?

What kind of values are being instilled in the future generations when they're led to think that it's alright cause Mommy or Daddy does it?

  

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143. "its the million dollar question!"
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>>>The question is, why live like that?<<


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146. "it's the 10 million dollar question"
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perhaps if there was an answer it'd be easier to see why that problem exists

"do better" damn sure isn't the answer

  

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162. "actually often times the SIMPLEST solutions"
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are the ones people tend to overlook.


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170. "nice bit of rhetoric"
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go ahead and give yourself the pat on the back i'm sure you feel that deserves

MEANWHILE....it ain't that simple

  

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180. "Hold up...mofo, I KNOW it is that simple..."
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I live in a working class black neighborhood
and I pick up the trash around my neighborhood on a consistent basis... People see you care then they mimic your behavior...been here 7 years...and guess what? the shit works...i give gentle reminders to kids (and unfortunately sometimes grown-ups)
to toss trash in the TRASH can.

No, unlike you I don't sit around and make worthless excuses
for shit that I can DIRECTLY change/influence.

Unlike you, I believe in a more self-determined community
who doesn't sit around waiting for handouts.

And for damn sure ain't blaming whitey who is hardly worried
about MY community.


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213. "meet me at 210"
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145. "RE: We don't need to impress anybody."
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think about that for a moment

>If anything, that is what needs to be drilled into our
>collective heads.

really? isn't that EXACTLY what the person who y'all are talking about would say? "I don't need to impress you (or lazy or burb) i'mma do what i'mma do"

>The question is, why live like that?

exactly. answer that question to someone who doesn't care about "us" like YOU supposedly do.

is THIS the method of explaination...or is this yet another indictment abotu how "they" are?

>What kind of values are being instilled in the future
>generations when they're led to think that it's alright cause
>Mommy or Daddy does it?

very good question. the answer to that is in the problem you all are describing.

but which is it gonna be? forget impressing whitey or "da man"....why shoudl they care abotu anythign but themselves and their comfort at any moment? why should they care abotu "the block" or "the hood"...as long as their house stays clean?

why SHOULD they take a piece of paper and throw it in a bin as opposed to on the ground....especially when they've seen mommma/daddy do the same thing?

  

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194. "so, being like the others means keeping your neighborhood"
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clean?

*sigh*.......... nevermind with this post... I'll just lurk it.

  

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137. "exactly. typical Excuse makers who argue the PEOPLE"
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instead of the PROBLEM.

Lazyboi, gone speak your mind, man.


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151. "wait a minute"
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LAZY is arguing the people and not the problem

he's saying: "THOSE people need to clean up, not "we need to find a way to get and keep this clean"

am i missing something here?

  

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159. "hold up"
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>LAZY is arguing the people and not the problem
>
>he's saying: "THOSE people need to clean up, not "we need to
>find a way to get and keep this clean"

the way to keep this clean is for people not to litter and dump trash on the streets and lots.

sinking boat- dump the water AND plug the hole.



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164. "but you all are arguing LAZYboi and not the PROBLEM..."
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thats what I'm talking about.

He's not lying...most people agree we see this all them time.

Home community littering is not so much racial as it is socio-economical though.

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177. "i'm responding TO HIS POST right now"
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as far as looking at the issue itself

WHERE WERE ALL YOU SUNSAB*TCHES (the ones who were here) BACK WHEN WE HAD THE OKAYCLEANUP DAY?

when it was time to address this VERY problem about which you speak NONE of you folkers lifted a single finger to help.

not Lazy, not Burb, not Zora

NONE OF YOU

y'all some sanctimonious fake-a$$-fakers

maybe y'all wer too busy then, hell do a second one now then...IF you're so damn concerned

CHALLONGE B*TCHES!!!!

but your EFFORT where your fingers are

  

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182. "the fuck? I don't recall ANY of you muthafuckas in my community."
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"Okay clean-up day"...

I don't recall ANY of you muthafuckas in my community.

Did I miss something? I Take care of HOME.
Thats ALL anyone needs to do. and that is Lazy'z point.

You on the other hand...





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192. "of course you don't......"
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>I don't recall ANY of you muthafuckas in my community.

yourself included....which makes one wonder how " i take care of home" manifests itself (and moreso makes you wonder how come the same credit for the unseen that you ask for can't be given to someone else)

>Did I miss something?

the efforts of the folks here apparently

>You on the other hand...

me on the other hand WHAT?

  

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198. "you make no sense at all..."
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your logic is horribly flawed and inconsistent.

it seems that you agree that people should
take up MUCH the responsibility of their own neighborhoods
(hence the okp clean up whatever) then you turn around
and talk about what white people ain't doing by sending in trash sweepers.

Do you not realize that LOCAL taxes subsidize these street cleaning costs?

????





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205. "you're 100% right zora"
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i make absolutely NO sense. i have NO idea what i'm talkign about. etcetra, etcetera

now you gonna help (http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=1505543&mesg_id=1505543&page=)

or is being right enough on this one?

  

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214. "thats all I wanted you to admit : ) n/m"
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184. "even tho i wasn't there, i DID help your clean up day"
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i didn't litter.

come on man

agian, why y'all "mad" at me and not at the people leaving that shit around?


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189. "so why aren't you talking to the people who leave the shit"
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on the ground?

this motherfucker blames the pepsi machine for not giving him a coke.



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302. "i dont even rock with snarky replies like that"
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>this motherfucker blames the pepsi machine for not giving him
>a coke.

but cheers

  

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203. "so then by that same accounting"
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what abotu those in the neighborhood yo udescribe who also don't litter?

where is the credit you give THEM when you're painting wit that broad a$$ brush talkign abotu hwo "they" need to get they act together?

all i'm saying now is we can go back and forth till we're blue in the face...lets stop and figure otu hwo to FIX the problem YOU pointed out

you ask why i'm mad, and i'm "mad" because you refuse one to see:

1. that this method of "helping" doesn't work

2. no matter how much you wanna scoff at them, you ARE them

3. you're doing the exact same thing "the man" does with this ass backwards effort

you wanna be "right" and "righteous" but fail to see that the second you seperate yourself and start handing out judgements without doing anything to actually help (as opposed to just providing analysis of an obvious situation) then you're contibuting to the problem

and i honestly (maybe incorrectly) think you're better than that

  

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216. "boodaah. do i reeeally need to list each and"
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every group that i'm not referring too. if i say "the sinks in the ladies bathroom needs to be shut off after wach use" do i really need to specify that the men are excluded from that statement?



>
>all i'm saying now is we can go back and forth till we're blue
>in the face...lets stop and figure otu hwo to FIX the problem
>YOU pointed out

JEEZ I DID. but i'll say it again. the people that litter need to stop. in a nutshell.

if you are in deep debt, does that mean stop buying groceries? no it means stop buying silly shit. people , including you which is why i don't understand this reply, have enough common sense to differentiate.

a sinking boat, dump the water and plug the hole. now..i need to speciafy that if your boat is not sinking, has no water in it, and no hole....this doesn't apply to you. thumbs up to all you hole-less boats out there. come on, man. u put the cast on the broken leg.


>you ask why i'm mad, and i'm "mad" because you refuse one to
>see:
>
>1. that this method of "helping" doesn't work

so we should close a blind eye and not speak about our problems? BULL! i'm mad now. black folk be on that shit too much. oooh don't say anything bad about us. we got fuck ups just like everybody else..but oooh they black, don't say nothing about them.

>
>2. no matter how much you wanna scoff at them, you ARE them
>
if i wasn't them i wouldn't care. how often you hear me complain about white folk...unless it's somthhing that affects us? bunch of white kids doing drugs in daddy's garage. u think i give a shit?

>3. you're doing the exact same thing "the man" does with this
>ass backwards effort

see number 1

>
>you wanna be "right" and "righteous" but fail to see that the
>second you seperate yourself and start handing out judgements
>without doing anything to actually help (as opposed to just
>providing analysis of an obvious situation) then you're
>contibuting to the problem

y'all kill me with this not doing "anything " argument. y'all have no idea what i do. i have no idea what y'all do. i only speak on what y'all say and what y'alll see. not once did i say anybody in here didn't sdo such and such. i said some of y'all be coddling negroes. shit needs to stop. i don't coddle. if you are hungry and your ass is too lazy to walk down the street to get some food. i'm not gonna coddle you and say . oh the white man should have a delivery service.


>
>and i honestly (maybe incorrectly) think you're better than
>that

i think black folk are better too.

i'm glad u say this. the term better means to be different in a way. so if i do something to better myself, isn't that separating myself from a group?


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204. "I question your intelligence now, Boodah....."
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cuz you do a lot of mudslinging, instead of discussion.....

Calling out names and stuff.... but I guess I can't blame you.. most of the boards does it.

I said I was gonna lurk.... I got one thing to say...... why are their national cleanup days in those neighborhoods?

seems like folks ain't caring about their own neighborhoods... so I guess we shouldn't care either..... do you think it's gonna stay clean unless we go out their twice a year to HELP clean it?

Why is HELP needed? folks are able bodied.... they ain't handicapped.

Call me a self hater, but heck ain't nobody help me cut my grass this weekend.

  

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209. "of course you do"
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>cuz you do a lot of mudslinging, instead of discussion.....

eh...call it "tough love" then

>Calling out names and stuff.... but I guess I can't blame
>you.. most of the boards does it.

is what i say true?

if so, then why judge it any differently than you did this post?

>I said I was gonna lurk.... I got one thing to say...... why
>are their national cleanup days in those neighborhoods?

why is water wet?

>seems like folks ain't caring about their own neighborhoods...

"seems"

>so I guess we shouldn't care either.....

btu at the same time we shoudl take the time to tell each other they ain't sh*t?

if you really don't care, then what is all this co-signing about?

i'm sorry, i thought it was abotu "if fam is doing bad, you gotta call it out"?

pick a side, you either care or don't

>do you think it's
>gonna stay clean unless we go out their twice a year to HELP
>clean it?

who is to say? maybe it will. maybe it won't.

but at least we would have DONE somethign to help, rather than point and chastise.

if you really LOVE someone you help, and you don't judge whether you'll help on the result. i love my son so i feel him, even though he's gonna get hungery later. i love my car so i wash it, even though it'll get dirty again. i love my neighborhood so i'mma clean it even if the neighbor next door won't.

>Why is HELP needed? folks are able bodied.... they ain't
>handicapped.

what quantifies as handicapped though?

>Call me a self hater, but heck ain't nobody help me cut my
>grass this weekend.

so in the end if they won't help you then you won't help THEM?

is THAT what it is to you?

and again, if it IS...then why care when their hood is dirty at all? hell, burbs grass is cut. burbs street is clean right?

  

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124. "PREACH... n/m"
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"...but who is this white man who tells us what to do and what not to
do, whom I serve, and who tells me what is good for us? Is the white
man one of us?"

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230. "How about"
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The folks that don't evaluate a criticism on its face and get their panties in a bunch because someone criticized Black People.

If we're doing something wrong at disporportionately higher rate than other groups (Like out of wedlock births) than it's OUR problem and something we have to address within our own commuity as it's a problem with US.

I think it's sad that a lot of folks aren't evaluating criticims on face and are just bitching and moaning about people criticizing Black people.



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247. "it's a pattern, tho."
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the same three posters whining about the same stuff and calling it concern.

criticism is one thing, but these are questionable complaints (litter? come on, man). these complaints are misguided, and when it's all said and done, there's not a lot that these criticisms accomplish (is someone gonna read this scolding on OKP ------ or hear Dr. Huxtable chide them at some bougie gathering at Howard, and change their behavior because of it?)

there are things we can control, sure; i'm not sure how important litter is in the grand scheme of black progress, tho.

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262. "If you can't show some respect for your living space..........."
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..........and make an effort to control the things you CAN control, you're not going to make any progress, because progress comes from gradually increasing the scope of the things you can control and then behaving accordingly.

If you don't take care of your home when you don't own it, suddenly owning isn't likely to change your behavior.

Plus, litter is simply ONE example of Blacks not doing enough to exert a positive influence on the things we CAN control.



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296. "the irony pt 2"
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in SF isnt exclusive to black neighborhoods, neither is drankin, making noise, or any of that, this city is a shithole!

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26. "Fuck it. It needs to be addressed."
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Preach on, Brother Lazy.

  

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243. "cosign... I agree with the Layz"
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257. "*hands out chuch fans*"
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YESSSSS PRRREEACH!

I may not be saying anything that hasn't been said before, but I may be saying something that someone's never heard before.

  

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30. "Well, where I live the metro housing to the middle class housing"
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to the suburbs is clean, clean, clean. The only time I saw things messy was when the cities workers went on strike. I think the mayor of the city is responsible for ensuring that ALL neighbourhoods are kept clean and in order.

Now with the littering thing, I don't think it's specific to ONE race. Someone touched on ownership, I think that has ALOT to do with a person not littering in their neighbourhood



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39. "This post is, well it's shallow on a very deep matter."
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Plus it's inaccurate as Boodah pointed out.

Amazing what that xtra property tax money pays for.


"... 'we have been trying for decades to clean up New Orleans public housing to provide decent housing for residents, and now it looks like God is finally doing it for us.'"


S.ave O.ur S.elves.
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48. "i'm not understanding how taxes and the like can influence a"
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person to not put his trash into a trash can year after year. especially when the trash can is a few feet away.


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55. "how often does the trash in the trash can get picked up"
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how often are the streets swept
how often do officiants (paid by taxes) respond to complaints/requests
and so on

taxes pay for certain amenities that unfortunately everyone does not get

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73. "again , how often do mothafuckas dump their"
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couches and mcdonald's bags on the side of the road and in vacant lots and yards?

it's really simple. when a boat is sinking, what's the number one priority? dumping the water out..or plugging the hole?

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80. "I guess you see this everyday?"
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in the communities I grew up in it wasnt a problem, it was taken care of
but I'm wise enough and traveled enough to know this doesnt happen everywhere
which allows me to be astute enough to realize that what you type is a sad, uninformed, narrow oversimplification
I'm done though
glwt
some folks will just never be able to see

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95. "i'vebeen to 15 states and a foreign country"
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>but I'm wise enough and traveled enough to know this doesnt
>happen everywhere

but u seem blinded to the sources

>which allows me to be astute enough to realize that what you
>type

or smart enough to overcomplicate the simplest of things sometimes. worrying about taxes and the like when a person asks why citizens litter is pretty extra.


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79. "How close is the nearest hardware store?"
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Where you can buy your ass a broom, a 30-gallon trash can and some bags?
Not THAT far away. It'll cost only $30.00 if you look for a sale.

How much does it cost to teach your kids not to litter?
Nothing but time and effort.

...

Stop making excuses.

  

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86. "you live in Philly of all places. be serious about the hardware store."
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who removes these bags after you bag them up
and so on
do you tell kids not to litter?
it takes a village

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105. "thats it pretty much"
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it takes a village
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132. "So, it's Sanitations fault?"
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Sanitation doesn't go onto your front yard/side yard/porch/stoop and pick up soda cans and candy wrappers.

Sanitation doesn't walk around scooping up pitbull shit.

Sanitation doesn't make housecalls.

DO BETTER.

  

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236. "I've lived in MANY black neighborhoods."
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I've NEVER NOT ONCE seen a condition where trash was NOT picked up at least on a weekly basis if it was placed in (or even near) a trash receptacle in an apartment complex, or near a curb in neighborhood. Shit, even in the country where there ISN'T regular trash collection people are still blessed with the ability to take their trash directly to a landfill at least once a week. Maybe I haven't been around in the U.S., but I have yet to see a place in the suburbs or the inner city that didn't have trash picked up regularly.

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269. "RE: how often does the trash in the trash can get picked up"
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>how often are the streets swept
>how often do officiants (paid by taxes) respond to
>complaints/requests
>and so on
>
>taxes pay for certain amenities that unfortunately everyone
>does not get

A COMPLAINT TO CITY HALL BY MY FRIEND.

"You sweep over (white section), but you do not come over here".
Plus.
"you have do not litter signs on that side of town, but none over here".

The Interstate/City medians on the other side of town are well kept (trash/grass).Except one underpass/business district.

I have called several times about our grass being cut.
The go to folk are passed on like it's not our jurisdiction(city vs state/county).

I kept getting numbers until it was done. Some improvement.

I told them that the grass on the medians represents the state/city/county negligence and not the people.

My friend did the same for her Neighborhood.

Nearby in my neighborhood (ghetto), when one lawn mower cranks up it is almost like a competition. Sounds of lawn mowers.Completed beautiful lawns.

Men and women. Teens.

The problem is just my street. One of the main thoroughfares.
But only like 3 blocks for most of the littering.

We do our share of maintenance. But littering.

Mostly children with candy wrappers.

Adults with liquor bottles thrown out of cars.
Adults passing thru.
Seems as tho they finish up their fast-food , baby pamper changes, weave pull-outs...
as they get to either one of these blocks after leaving the business district.

It comes from teens/adults and insiders/outsiders.A HEAVY flow of traffic in cars and walkers(residents/others).

ALSO.
My birth place appx. 1 mile down my now street is actually THE most run down neighborhood(housing).

BUT. The CLEANESTTT (litter free) for a Ghetto/Poorrr neighborhood.
And. Severalll more neighborhoods in that vicinity are the same. CLeanestt (litter free).

Honestly. I'm darn tired of picking up after "LitterBugs".

TAKE CARE OF HOME. BUT.

??? WHATEVER HAPPENED TO HAVING LITTER BAGS IN CARS/USING ???.

By anyone.

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60. "the people who make these posts"
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seem to have a tenuous grasp on how local government works, and the significance of prop tax revenue.

it's the reason poor neighborhoods have worse schools, worse public spaces and services, etc.

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70. "true....but there are small things that we CAN do..."
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property taxes and worse schools don't have much correlation with you throwing a ____wrapper on the ground.....


I'm with Lay on this one....there ARE things that we can do.

I'm not overlooking the big picture...but just because adversity has hit these areas...it seems we have given up on some ol', "well...they don't care so I don't either" type steez

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84. "no one's suggesting people do nothing"
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but litter?

LITTER?

litter is a sign of a larger problem; if people felt it was worth it to pick it up, don't u think the would?

so how come people don't feel it's worth it?

(or are those people just trifling and slothful?)

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90. "read my post....."
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>I'm not overlooking the big picture...but just because adversity >has hit these areas...it seems we have given up on some >ol', "well...they don't care so I don't either" type steez


hence why some...not all, cuz some of us ARE lazy.....litter

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107. "white folks and property taxes...."
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definitely not OUR OWN......

ok...I'm being silly, but yeah...just cuz they don't care doesn't mean that we should buy into it and demean our self worth.

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112. "steeping back to the main post"
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how is "do better" or "you folks need to be more like..." gonna help in ANY way?

what kinda bass ackwards "help" is that?

the line between "tough love" and abuse is a thin one (the key factor being hwo you're showing...as opposed to just declaring the "love" part)

example, if my son isn't doing well in school and my solution is to constantly remind him of how dumb he is....that's not gonna work

Burb wants to play the "they're gonna call you a racist" card, but if it ain't that then what is it. there's no love here shown AT ALL. and it's yoru OWN people....but they/he doesn't see it like that. it's always "they" need to do this "they" need to do that.....how is that ANY different than when whytey says "they need to get their act together"? it's not

Lazy loves throwing out that scene from the Cosby shwo when Vanessa told her parents she was married and her dad explained that she brougth the good news like a steak dinner on a garbage can. i wonder hwo come he can't see that THIS is the same damn thing?

  

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121. "Asking folks to do better and showing them things to aspire to ..."
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...isn't helpful? Wallowing in negativity is? OK.

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160. "wallowing in negativity?"
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what?

do you think this post is "aspiring to help?"

how so?

the man said he drove by, noticed, shook his head, said "those people" then ran (a couple days later) to the net to complain to US?

hwo is he showing THOSE folks something to aspire to by coming in here and either fussing with the dissenters, OR but getting so-signs from the rest of the finger pointers?

GTFOOH

as you and i sit here and type this....not a single piece of ANYTHIGN is being kep of MLK near I-20

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171. "because that was good food on a garbage can lid, but the"
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stuff i speak of is shit. u can't dress shit up. shit has to be dealt with harshly.



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176. "but from parent to parent. if your child is fucking up,"
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you ARe gonna show him the error of his ways. and as soon as he opens his mouth about what the other kids are doing, what are u gonna say?

u aren't gonna say anythign about hims listing positive things other kids are doing. dad, brian jackson keeps getting the answers correct in class. but i'm gonna beat him. dad brian jackson got the starting position ont he baskeball team, but i want it. u are gonna say son, do your best. especially if you KNOW your son has the potential to be ont he starting five but he's not applying himself. u aren't gonna say, well brian jackson has the new airjordans

but as soon as lil boodaah ....(that's cute..no homo) says "but dad all the kids at the school were sniffing it"
whate are you gonna say?



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185. "you aren't showing anyone the error in their ways"
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none of us work at your hotel. did you go tell them niggas they are fuckin up?





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45. "*crumples post and throws it in recycling bin*"
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:P just messin wit'cha lazyboi.. I don't agree with your post, but we're all entitled

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56. "i agree...."
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there are some things that we can do....and I know that the city cares more about some "areas" than others, but that isn't really an excuse.

If anything, it should make us (yes us...ALL OF US) aware of that and we should have even more pride and initiative to take care of our areas of the cities we live in....because we know that they don't really care about us ©MJ

Yes...we don't own much, yes...we're in a bad predicament....yes the city govt's have given up on our areas...but does that mean that we have to as well??

America doesn't care if I get a degree/educate myself...hell, it would benefit more if I was in prison...but that doesn't mean that I'm just gonna say fukkit and feed into that shit...it makes me want to ACHIEVE even more...cuz I know they (whoever you wanna insert) don't give a fuck about me or my empowerment as a black man......

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57. "take it a step further...N.O. Evacuees in Houston:"
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64. "that's a little different though...cuz that whole situation is chaotic"
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for EVERYONE involved....

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69. "you're right"
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I guess.
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66. "and you think it's because of the race of people that was there?!"
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oh wow.

oh wow.

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72. "didn't say that at all..."
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75. "what do u mean, then?"
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83. "economic status"
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the same is true for any race.
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93. "?"
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i'm done w/ this thread.

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67. "um. WOW."
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78. "raised eyebrow"
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uhm....i just left there and frankly this is a bold lie

treasure?

c'mon nah

trash?

please....liek they were gonna REALLY let those folks tear that up.

lets not forget they had 25000 people LIVING there, with no real plan for help/cleanup/maintenance

i KNOW for a fact that after housing folks there for a couple of weeks it didn't look any worse than it does after a 3-hour game (cups/trash)...they just clean up faster after tha game

  

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77. "wowo, this is profoundly stupid."
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the thing I can't figure out lazyboi, is that the dumber you get, the more proud of how stupid you are you seem to get as well.

I'M SO DIFFERENT THAT I MUST BE RIGHT is a poor argument strategy, well, unless you're a dumbass.


keep fighting the good fight tho, sooner or later you'll convince these fucking niggers its their own fault and you were right all along.


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88. "i don't pay attention to runts that can't add"
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anything to a discussion. i have no idea what you responded with cause i didn't read it. why didn't i read it? cause EACH AND everytime there is a serious discussion, you can never bring up good points or discuss shit like an intelligient human being. (unless dan is asking the question) just always your insults and you trying to, what us wrestlers call, push your little gimmick. ok napoleon? mmmkay


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96. "LOL. I may not be able to add anything to this discussion"
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but its because I can add 2 + 2.

Being literate is really a handicap when it comes to attempting to converse with you.

your complete and total inability and/or unwillingness to read makes you difficult to communicate with.

I tried being reasonable with you, but you apparently think you are the only person who sees someone fucking up in your opinion and says "the problem is a hole group of people need to do better, because if THEY all did better, THAT person wouldn't be fucking up"

you're just dumb, sorry I don't have a speak and spell and about 4 years, maybe someone else can help you, maybe not.



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91. "i applaud the usage of nigger"
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106. "I'm confused."
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so who's responsible?
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117. "I'm sorry, we take a personal disagreement over behavior"
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and assign it to groups now?

I think thats pretty clearly what I said.

lazy has problems with people he meets. his response to these issues is to say "black people are fucking up" on an interent message board. and he's surprised that he's not really getting anywhere.


where am I losing you?


he's an idiot in the same way the people who talk to some maniac on the train who preaches to them some gibberish and then comes on here saying "christians are FUCKING UP" are, he's just much more persistent.



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125. "group assignment aside"
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cuz clearly blacks aint the only ones...so who then, is responsible?
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131. "responsible for what?"
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what exactly are we talking about?

and also, we cannot put group assignement aside, thats the point of why this is stupid.

he did it. it's dumb. you can't just put that on the shelf and not discuss it because you want to avoid calling lazy a dumbass for saying something so stupid. if it weren't the central point of his post, we would not be discussing it, to try and avoid discussing it, is disingenuous.


he listed like 20 different things, which one are interested in assigning blame for, and why are you stuck on assigning blame?


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108. "funny, how you NEVER have a point of view but always"
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trying to call somebody else stupid over their expression on certain issues.

If you don't agree...cool...but at least site some rationale behind your insults besides your usual trash.

  

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120. "it's spelled *cite, and I believe if you read to the end"
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I copped out oout of explaining why he was wrong, by simply cosigning him and saying he was right, and would someday be proven right, sorry you didn't get that far.





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206. "his replies constantly confuse me n/m"
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287. "you too?"
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89. "the main reason why i moved from philly man"
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i fucking hate dirty ass blacks man
and we all ain't dirty
seems like city blacks or poor blacks have no self respect
it's no excuse for the trifling shit they do man
clean ur fucking kids
clean ur fucking house
clean ur fucking sidewalk
it ain't hard
and ain't no city or township on EARTH paying ppl to keep the community clean
fuck outta here wit that bullshit excuse
maybe if it's downtown where they have municpal workers cleaning
but i never seen a person sweeping and cleaning a residential area in my life
the RESIDENTS keep it clean
if they happen to be white
and the dirty areas happen to be black
THAT's the RESIDENTS man
now i live in voorhees in a pretty clean complex
but a fucking young unemployed black bitch lives next to me
and guess what!!!!
the kids be dirty and the fucking door mat be dirty as shit
out of the WHOLE complex
the only dirty ass bitch is a young black chick wit kids
it's mad young white ppl round there
and black professionals
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it's only the poor ghetto blacks ruining shit man

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144. "^^^ Bam."
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Nah'mean...

That shit comes from neglectful parenting and plain laziness.

Excluding all of us, who are probably at WORK on our computers, alot of Black folks just DON'T have that battery in their backs to get up and make a positive change in their lives... not even a small one.

It doesn't take much to sweep, that's all I'M saying.

  

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149. "the crazy shit is it don't take much to do ANYTHING"
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it don't take much to
go to school
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not sell drugs
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keep the hood clean
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but yet that's all shit we as blacks can't stop doing

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169. "And as long as we don't define right..."
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...we'll continue doing wrong.

  

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237. "Most of the apartment complexes I've lived in...."
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>but i never seen a person sweeping and cleaning a residential
>area in my life

...have been cleaned by employees of the management company that owns the property (the public areas of the complex, that is).

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92. "You ain't know nothing's ever our fault?"
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98. "no we have absolutely nothing to do with it"
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123. "who said that lazy?"
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you rangling with RJCC above about discounting (or not presenting) reasonable arguements.....but then you do this?

inject words that were never stated?

for really real, did you just wanna soapbox or did you wanna discuss?

if the latter, then why the sarcasm/glibness?

i know: know your audience...but for real...if you summarize all that's been said as THAT, then hell

maybe you ARE dumber than all our discussions in the past would have led me to believe

  

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130. "actually i was jumping in with the above posters facetiousness. but"
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i'm of the belief that

the city govt. and the citizens should keep a city clean. why should the citizens aren't doing their part to keep it clean, then why are we pissed at the city govt? shouldn't we do what we can first?

when u are on a bench bench pressing, you have a guy spot you through out all the reps. you do what u can THEN the guy comes in with the spot. if i fail to bench 500 pounds, i'm not gonna be pissed at my spotter. i need to wonder why i put 455 pounds of weight on a 45 pound bar in the 1st place.




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168. "don't assume lazy...dont' assume"
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>the citizens aren't doing their part to keep it clean,
>then why are we pissed at the city govt? shouldn't we do what
>we can first?

you drove past. you have NO IDEA what those folks there are doing on a daily

beyond that though, if i fill the trash can and the trash can never gets emptied....is it MY fault when the can overflows?

don't act like everything is cut and dried. don't be so quite to be judge, jury and executioer OF YOUR OWN PEOPLE man.

  

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183. "but i LIVED in gary indiana. i didn't drive through it. that's not"
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the only junky place. but when i see a muddy couch next to a 7 year old whaler box, AND BK angus burger wrap. am i really assuming that some one put it there?

They built a mcdonalds , and a basketball court down the street from my mom's house. the fence is all tore down now. why? cause negroes didn't wanna use the fence opening to walk an and out. they'd rather create their own opening. why? cause those particular negroes are lazy and selfish. it's not their fence. (ler me go to their momma's house and tear down their fence and leave shit around and they ready to fight) and mcdonald's papers are all up in there everywhere? why? cause negroes didn't wanna put it in the 4 trash cans there. now mcD's sends people to come clean it up every now and then but it returns. in a higher concetration there than any other place. am i to assume that the trash walked there?



when you see deer shit, it pretty much mean bambi has been in the vicinity and dropped the shit there.


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116. "funny thing is , in most suburbs property tax don't even go to"
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trash collection or waste management
where i now live u pay property taxes AND an individual contractor to come collect ur trash
niggas on this site never left the porch i think sometimes

and if u talking strictly about white hoods in a city , then they pay at least similar property taxes
and maybe if the black hoods wasn't so dirty the property would be worth more to generate more taxes to pay for more services

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102. "*sigh*"
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110. "There is more pride taken in rims and less in lawns.n/m"
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118. "dead"
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thats a quotable

  

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140. "^ sad truth n/m"
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179. "you take pride in what you own n/m"
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208. "I take pride in whats AROUND me. Point. blank. n/m"
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234. "please!!!!!!! mad niggas is RENTING rims too"
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244. "RE: There is more pride taken in rims and less in lawns.n/m"
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ha!

  

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111. "That's essentially a summation of what I say to those who hate"
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gentrification and site what the government isn't doing or didn't do as their rationale. Everything is not the fault of the government.

We have some accountability as well.

  

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122. "white man has us brainwashed to believe he still controls us"
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which in essence allows him to control us
niggers are retarded

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115. "if you see it, fix it....or K.I.M and don't say nothing (c) ?uest'nem"
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you call this tough love, but i NEVER
pick up on the LOVE part of what you say.

when i was in d.c., it was folks on my block
that was forever complaining about the way
the neighborhood was, and how 'black folks
this and black folks that.'

yet, when i went to community activist
meetings, them bamas were never there.
even though i made a POINT to put
flyers on their doorsteps, they never
showed up for the meeting. but let me
walk past them during the week, and sure
enough, they'd be blowing my ear up about
how 'ITS JUST A SHAME HOW WE ACT.'

to me, they were just aimless complainers.
they wasn't really trynna HELP nobody, they
just wanted to point fingers. they were
no better - in my mind - than the folks
who they were talking about. in fact, in
some ways worse, cause they SAW the problem
and ain't do shit about it.

i don't get where you are coming from
with this talk, man.


practice F.R.O.D.O. you'll be less bitter...

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119. "from now on i shall close my eyes and ears and never speak the"
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truth because it may hurt some feelings.


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138. "TRUTH ain't shit, dawg.....HITLER sprinkled some truth"
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in the stuff he said. BILL BENNET told the
TRUTH, in saying if you abort all black babies,
crime would go down. shit, if you kill 15% of
any population, crime will go down.


what is the virtue in 'speaking the truth', really?
it can be twisted just as much as a lie.

and, as it pertains to making a case like this,
MOTIVE matters to me much more. to me, it doesn't
seem like you are 'speaking the truth' to help
anybody, but moreso, you are using the truth
to make yourself look better. because this 'truth'
you are saying isn't a revelation or new, so what
is the point of it? who do you think you are
enlightening with this?

what is your motive?

i discount the TOUGH LOVE angle you present,
because you've been posting stuff like this
for a minute, but i've never heard you post
how you chose to HELP ANYBODY or try to DO
SOMETHING ABOUT these true problems you see.

as it pertains to black people at large, gimme
somebody like boodah, who HELPS FIRST, and then
says his piece, over folks who CRITICIZE FIRST,
and then don't try to help.

shit, i'll even take a cat like ROBERT WOODSON
or FARRAKAHN, who criticize, but at least still
tries to help.


practice F.R.O.D.O. you'll be less bitter...

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128. "so are u suggesting that lazyboi has a dirty house and property?"
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cause imo thats ALL he's responsible for
so iono why a person couldn't complain about the overall situation as long as THEIR shit is intact
what a nigga supposed to single handedly clean the whole hood by his self before he can say shit?
stfu homes
each man has accountability for HIS SELF
but u can still bitch about the mishaps of ur people as long as u leading by example

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153. "if he is only RESPONSIBLE for himself, he has no moral"
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claim over anybody but himself, imo...

>>cause imo thats ALL he's responsible for
so iono why a person couldn't complain about the overall situation as long as THEIR shit is intact<<<

complaining is fine, as long as it is couched
as what it is 'aimless complaining' - as i said.
but 1.) complainers annoy, cause shit ain't
never got made better by complainers, and

2.) don't be trynna recast COMPLAINING as
TOUGH LOVE. to me, they are not the same.

i would respect folks more if they said 'FUCK THEM
NIGGAS, THEY SUCK AND THEY MAKE ME LOOK BAD.'

i'd still clown, but at least i'd respect a mug
for dropping their honest opinion.

>>>what a nigga supposed to single handedly clean the whole hood by his self before he can say shit?<<

not even. but i've lived in hoods that got cleaned up
(see: ledriot park in d.c.) and it started with folks
like lay who were dissatisfied and decided to do soemthing
about it. they ORGANIZED other folks, got with the city
and found out they could get cleaning tools for FREE, and
got to work.

like i said, a mufucka can complain all they want to.
just be ready to get clowned/looked at funny for it.
especially when they aren't trynna help.


>>> but u can still bitch about the mishaps of ur people as long as u leading by example<<<

chrue. i got props in the neighborhoods i lived in
because i kept my shit nice and neat. mugs noticed.

but DRIVING THROUGH on your way somewhere else is not
'leading by example', no matter how fly your shit is.
cause if folks can't see you, you're not an example to them.
you are a 'hatin' ass _________, on their way through
the hood.'

practice F.R.O.D.O. you'll be less bitter...

F.R.O.D.O. = FOR RIDE OR DIE ONLY

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126. "QUESTION: what do property taxes and the like"
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have to do with people dumping bed mattresses in the neighborhood?
i mean u didn't need property taxes OR the city to get it moved IN your house from where it was from when u still slept on it.

"gheto like pissy matresses" (c) talib kweli


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133. "Nuthing @ all, people are really reaching in this post. And I..."
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almost NEVER agree with you and I understand your sentiment totally.




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141. "the "man" has as much to do with the hood being dirty as he does"
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with you making up your bed or washing your dishes

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154. "exactly n/m"
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129. "i feel you..."
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on my block in harlem, i often sit on my stoop or play with the kids outside. invariably, after an ice cream truck visit or run to the bodega, they'll stand there and just drop their trash wherever they're standing. trash cans are at each corner of the block, and beside every couple buildings. when i see them do it, i say "don't litter, we live here." the first few times, they picked up the trash and threw it in the street instead. now, at least when i'm there, we walk to the trash together.

but the gentrifus do it, too. (my name for the whites now inhabiting my building and harlem in general). they sit outside and flick their nasty marlboro butts on the sidewalk, or leave their starbucks bags on the stoop. i say something to them, too. usually a "you done with that?" as they attempt to leave trash behind. the difference is, the kids honestly didn't seem to know better; they were doing what everyone else did. while the gentrifus could claim the latter as an excuse, i doubt they did that shit in their connecticut neighborhoods.








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134. "Not all gentrifus are white.n/m"
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136. "leave the race"
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we'd be better off w/o u

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142. "ha ha now i know that's a lie. y'all rather live next door"
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to me than a LOT of these n*ggas out here. the same way you wouldn't hire a lot of these n*ggas out here. ha ha real talk


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158. "u r the worst kind of blk person"
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165. "nonsense. i'm very considerate of those around me,"
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more poeple should be. you'd never have ot worry about finding my burger king bag on your lawn, parkingmy car in the yard, smelling my dog shit, having your home vibrating due to my music, not calling the cops if i see somebody breaking in your house, hell even breaking in your house. i may not take your property level up, but i won't bring that shit down. i'd even look out for you.

i'm on that state farm insurance shit.


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175. "maybe i think unwed parents are more of a menace to my community"
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than litter......what would u say to that?

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190. "on parents that don't raise their kids and the litter was an"
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example. a piece of a puzzle u understand. of course u under stood that. that's why i laid out several things that u wouldn't hve to worry about living next door to me.



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195. "use plain english"
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i can't counter your one liners, fire


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221. "*guffaw*"
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now that was effin funny. i'm sorry

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139. "yo lazy, after I took a good 3 minutes out of my day to fully cosign you"
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what are you going to do now?

are you going to print up a banner that says "RJCC says yall niggers are fucking up" and parade it through the streets? I mean whats the plan here.

should I print it up?

t-shirts?

bumper stickers?

radio advertisements?

I'm restless

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157. "once again, another snarky remark of no substance"
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167. "hey reginald, on the real. honestly, do me a favor"
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be a good lil fella and archive this next week? thanks

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178. "so thats how I cna help black people?"
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by archiving a post you make every single day?

is this how the movement starts?

I'm tryin to take it to the streets baby.



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181. "this post is the internet equivalent to street litter"
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do not archiv

  

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172. "i see both sides of the coin"
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We don't need to look as a this or that solution/problem. There can be mulitiple things at play here. There is a park in DC that had aboout 5 trash cans and there was always trash everywhere. Then I noticed about 10 more paper receptacles placed there I presume to help with the mounting trash. There is still trash on the ground. So part of it could be that the city isn't paying attention to this area so trash will build up. But when there are 15 trash cans with no trash in them and trash all over the ground there is another problem.

Then you have case where certain areas of DC just outright don't get serviced. If it snows we all know who is gonna get their streets plowed and their trash picked up first.

There is an element of personal responsibilty, community responsibility, and organizational responsibility. We have to look at the problem at all levels. There are multiple factors at play. So all of you have valid points.

We can sit here all day long talking about what people aren't doing. So if WE want to change things we have to be that change. Obviously if people aren't motivated to keep their areas clean then there has to be an intervening force. Pointing fingers isn't going to change a darn thing. If you care so much about us then do for us regardless of wheter you think it's appreciated or not. You care enough to complain but do you care enough to organize and act? We have social problems no doubt but they aren't just gonna up and solve their own problems.


  

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186. "isn't admitting our part in a problem the 1st step? i mean if"
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u have a drug addict in the family, can u really help him if you skirt around the issue that he indeed is doing drugs?

but if you say , uncle pete, u on drugs, u need to stop it. that's fingerpointing. i honestly think people are over sensitve. if you are afraid of short pain needles, you'll NEVER get the medicine

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196. "did you give uncle pete an intervention?"
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did you give him a resource guide?
is uncle pete on drug cuz he's black?
what about uncle pete's white friend, what's his problem?
did uncle pete ship the drugs here?

There are factors at the individual level, social support, community resources, organizational policies, government level that affect all these problems. The way you write about this is that simply that it's all individuals who create these problems and have the means to solve these problems.

p.s. I bet you uncle pete throws his crack vial on the ground when he's done. Do you really think uncle pete cares about his littering problem?

People don't have these problem cuz they are black. They have these problems because they have other problems.
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207. "RE: did you give uncle pete an intervention?"
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yeah i said u need to stop doing durgs. it ain't that hard. pete needs help. but addition is powerful but some people are addictied to being lazy. and the only thing that can help them if if somebody lights a fire under their ass and THEY do their part. i can help my child study buit i can;t take the class and test for her.


>is uncle pete on drug cuz he's black?
what?

>what about uncle pete's white friend, what's his problem?
does uncle pete's white friend live with me? my momma always told me "if edward jumps off a bridge u gonna do it to?" when it comes to things of a negative nature we waste too much time worrying about other folks.


>did uncle pete ship the drugs here?
oh nooo they shipped them to his doorstep and in his body too. nobody is FORCED to do anything. i think we do a disservice to grown adults by providing that cop out to them. there is rat poison outside, id be a fool if i ate it. no matter who placed it there.


The way you write about this
>is that simply that it's all individuals who create these
>problems and have the means to solve these problems.

negative. some problems we can't control, some we can. the ones that we can, we need to. but we don't. period. and we don't need people making excuses. if a negro has 100 dollars but doesn't pay his light bill...yet goes and cops those jordans, then that's something HE had pwer over to fix. not the whiteman's fault.

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>p.s. I bet you uncle pete throws his crack vial on the ground
>when he's done. Do you really think uncle pete cares about his
>littering problem?

that's the basis of my post.


>People don't have these problem cuz they are black. They have
>these problems because they have other problems.

that's true, but i was talking to black folk. the neighborhood in question was a black neighborhood.





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224. "that person who bought jordans"
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how bout you hip him to course in money management, give him your Suze Orman book yo. yes people do dumb shit but there is always an underlying reason. i'm not asking you to save the world but it's simple stuf we can each do to help the next man.

about uncle pete. addictions are hard but plenty of folks break theirs. so we can tell unle pete to get off drugs but we can help uncle pete get off drugs. or when uncle pete is ready to get off drugs he will know that you will be there to support him.

i'm not talking about coddling folks by anymeans. but you can mos def help folks help themselves. otherwise we can complain till be blue in the face. everyone can't be helped. just like i'm sure you have improvements you need to make in your life. if you got the knowledge or the talents why not share it.


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173. "but, sean-sean ... Black folx dont wanna hear the truth...."
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202. "operative word is "do" n/m"
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210. "200+ posts in: PUT UP OR SHUT-UP"
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217. "see, and y'all said my words and post weren't helping anything."
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215. "now THIS is the OKP i know and love..."
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will perdue's and scott hastings in here but still. this is great debate by both sides

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226. "there are no sides you idiot. you didn't make a point."
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this: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=1504566&mesg_id=1504566&page=#1504973


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will perdue's and scott hastings in here but still. this is great debate by both sides

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222. "*standing O* we need more CosbyBoi statements like this"
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maybe black folk will....

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227. "on one hand, yeah, it seems like poorer black neighborhoods have"
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more litter, but on the other hand, (this is gonna sound cliche) but my black friends generally are cleaner than my white friends. and by cleaner i just mean hygeine wise, and just more enviromentally conscious. my white friends will throw bottles of coke and pizza boxes out the window on the high way and not shower for days when they are sick... my black friends wont even throw chips on the ground...so i dunno. like someone said above, people are gonna litter everywhere, but the city also helps clean up neighborhoods too and well, they help in some more than others so...i dunno.
i do know this, when white people drive threw my neighborhood they throw shit out the window onto the streets ALL the time, i live near the lakewood amphitheater so they're down here quite alot. so fuck them.

  

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229. "Aggregate Response"
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My College was in a low income neighborhood, it got hit hard after the PA steel industry was went down the crapper.

Most of the people in the neighborhood didn't have much and most of them were renters, renting houses from the few dozen people who owns all the homes in the neighborhood - although, you did have some owners thrown in, older people who bought their homes back when they were making good money at the Steel factory.

The area is completely neglected by the city and looks run down in places; the college even provides directions to the school that allow you to circumvent the bad neighborhood entirely.

In truth, it's not that bad, it's not Ghetto - but compared to the places my college chums and I came from, yeah, it's bad.

Thing is - I didn't see Garbage piled up or the general neglect I've seen in similar neighborhoods with Blacks in them.

It's one thing not to care as much because you don't own the property, it's far another to suspend the rules of common sense and decency out of pure ignorance. The real issue here is that regardless of what the Govt. does, there ARE things we can to make our surroundings better and in many cases, we just don't do them.

Now, are Whites guilty of this at times as well?

Sure.

Are all Blacks guilty?

No.

But I don't care what Whites are doing, I care what WE'RE doing as it reflects bad on the rest of us and just based on anecdotal evidence, we're guilty of it more often.

I'm in agreement with the original poster with regards to Hotels as well, as a regular Business Traveler it's annoying when the White & Latino maids are always polite and the Black ones are often rude.

Now, I would think that a poor White Maid would be more likely to be rude to the Black Business Traveler in the expensive Hotel Room than the Black one would be - but in my experience, the opposite may be true.

Can't tell you how many times I've had a Black Maid cleaning my hotel room (or cleaning my office) talk shit to me when I'm just sitting there minding my own business.


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IMO - there are certain segments of the Black Population who hurt their own cause, unfortunately, a lot of us have deemed them above any possible criticism and/or would rather make excuses for them. Sort of like the miscreant relative (That people of all races have) that people in the family make excuses for instead of taking that person to task.

It's funny - it's like there is a list of things you're allowed to criticize Black people for (and certain Blacks you can critize) and everything else is off-limits - because: "White people do it too" or "it's the Govt" - as if to say, "those people don't have to change their behavior"

Which really means: "Progress will be slow because we don't want to get our own houses in order"




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232. "And Another Thing"
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Why is that Black people can't get MAD upset when a neighborhood is gentrified:

-Whitey is stealing our neighborhood

-This is our neighborhood so if they're going to make changes, we should be involved in the decision

-Get out of our neighborhood

-This is just a scheme to steal our neighborhood

-We're losing the neighborhood

-West Side Fool!

-Gentrification is just white folks talking the neighborhood

So when folks have to move, it's THEIR neighborhood, but when you criticize people for not keeping the area around the dumpster neat, for not just taking out their trash, taking care of your home, keeping it clean - BASIC COMMON SENSE, the things you should do whether you own your home or not......it's the Government's Fault, it's because they don't own, so what do you expect, etc.

What kind of Ignorance is that?


It doesn't matter if we all don't do it or if Whites do it too, anyone who DOES do it should be criticized, Blacks especially because we need to hold our selves to a higher standard in this society, as the bad one of us down reflects on the rest.




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235. "you and LittleTortilla summed up my stance"
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and I dind't have to argue with anyone.

*sigh*

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306. "who are you responding to?"
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"It's funny - it's like there is a list of things you're allowed to criticize Black people for (and certain Blacks you can critize) and everything else is off-limits - because: "White people do it too" or "it's the Govt" - as if to say, "those people don't have to change their behavior""


who said that in any way at all, I just want to know who you are talking to.

who said you can not criticize people for fucking up.

if you're inventing someone to disagree with, you should stop.



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239. "on: ownership"
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let's agree, at the beginning, that poor people don't actually own the property they live in.

now:

in the late 1980s, the city of East St. Louis, which is overwhelmingly black and overwhelmingly poor, was so broke that it actually did away with its garbage collection service. there was a period of *years* where people had no place to put their trash, and were burning them in lots (one of which was across the street from a school). what wasn't burned piled up in the streets and on sidewalks.

(from Jonathan Kozol's "Savage Inequalities")

now, we also know that city/local services are almost always paid for largely through property taxes; townships with higher average property values in turn have better funded civic services, like police, schools and also have better infrastructure.

we also know that, the relationship between property taxes, civil services, and property value is symbiotic and works both ways: the better the schools/roads/police department in a town/suburb are, the more the houses in the suburbs are worth (and thus, the more the tax revenue which means better schools which means more valuable property which means more tax revenue...)

now, let's also assume that it's understood that people take more value in the shit that's *theirs.*

(and yet people in this thread are arguing *that*)

but in addition to ownership/pride --- do y'all recognize that, in neighborhoods where the property value is indeed high, that there would be *more* social pressure from other people in the neighborhood to maintain a well-manicured lawn? a neighborhood like that will also be more dilligent about sanctioning folks who violate rules about lawn care or unsightly homes, because *that* unsightly house or unkempt lawn ultimately fucks up the value of *their* homes.

we can also assume that because the quality of s