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"Beating a 4 yr old with a switch is reprehensible."


  

          

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/12/adrian-peterson-indicted-for-child-abuse

Lock him under the jail. And out of the NFL for 6 weeks.

fuck you.

  

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Some people are old school
Sep 12th 2014
1
The old school is full of traditions we have done away with.
Sep 12th 2014
2
but the conditions remain-
Sep 12th 2014
3
It's called kids being kids. Lol
Sep 12th 2014
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      ap is a scapegoat.
Sep 12th 2014
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           AP is an alleged child abuser.
Sep 12th 2014
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                fuck your allegations. that means something now?
Sep 12th 2014
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                     he's an admitted child abuser.
Sep 13th 2014
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Not everyone
Sep 12th 2014
5
      6 weeks.
Sep 12th 2014
10
           I need more facts
Sep 12th 2014
21
                6 games.
Sep 12th 2014
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                When the facts come out
Sep 12th 2014
25
                     Look at those pics
Sep 12th 2014
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                     I did and made another post about it
Sep 12th 2014
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                          Yea and I read what the kid said
Sep 12th 2014
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                               I think it is abuse
Sep 13th 2014
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                                    *Ray McDonald. And I have no idea how Hardy is playing
Sep 13th 2014
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                                         Hardy has evidence to support his defense, I guess.
Sep 13th 2014
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                     the pix + AP's admission are all the facts i need.
Sep 12th 2014
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                          Ok
Sep 12th 2014
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                               oh yeah b/c i hate black men.
Sep 12th 2014
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                               Would not doubt it
Sep 12th 2014
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                                    i'm over here celebrating w/a watermelon mimosa.
Sep 12th 2014
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                                         Yep
Sep 12th 2014
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                                              no b/c das racist.
Sep 12th 2014
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                                                   So..
Sep 12th 2014
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                                                        Beating a 4 year old with a switch
Sep 12th 2014
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                                                             what?
Sep 12th 2014
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                                                                  Really????
Sep 12th 2014
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                                                                       Good
Sep 12th 2014
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                               you're a fucking idiot.
Sep 13th 2014
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                                    It takes a fucking idiot to know a fucking idiot, bitch!
Sep 13th 2014
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                all part of the plan to effeminatize the black man
Sep 12th 2014
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                     Yo
Sep 12th 2014
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                          naw I ain't never get whooped that bad
Sep 12th 2014
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                               I have, man
Sep 12th 2014
85
                                    contrary to popular belief, white ppl beat the shit out of their kids to...
Sep 12th 2014
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                                    You don't say?
Sep 12th 2014
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                                         mmhmm. and Asians.
Sep 12th 2014
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                                              Here is the thing
Sep 12th 2014
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                                                   AP's admission and the pix of the boy's injuries are the evidence.
Sep 13th 2014
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                                                        He admitted to using a switch
Sep 13th 2014
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                                                             *pats head*
Sep 13th 2014
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                                                                  *swats your hand away*
Sep 13th 2014
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                                                                  ^ and with that you have saved your reputation on this board
Sep 13th 2014
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                                                                       So?
Sep 13th 2014
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                                                                  Why are you putting your hands on him?
Sep 13th 2014
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                                    well at least u turned out normal
Sep 12th 2014
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                                         Yeah
Sep 12th 2014
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                                         Remember what we talked about earlier?
Sep 13th 2014
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rape and incest is "old school," too
Sep 12th 2014
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      Yep
Sep 12th 2014
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Spare the rod spoil the child
Sep 12th 2014
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Why not an actual rod?
Sep 12th 2014
11
      I'm sure it was a kinder gentler middle east back then
Sep 12th 2014
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           it's a metaphor.
Sep 12th 2014
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                Didn't know you were there when it was written
Sep 13th 2014
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                     yeah i was there holding the paper.
Sep 13th 2014
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and people wonder why ap runs like hell
Sep 12th 2014
6
can we please wait for the FACTS before we skewer people?
Sep 12th 2014
7
lol u must not be familiar with sowhat and his cause
Sep 12th 2014
12
Naw. I'm good. Under the jail.
Sep 12th 2014
ain't you a lawyer?
Sep 12th 2014
29
      under the jail.
Sep 12th 2014
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           them photos look ugly i'll admit.
Sep 12th 2014
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                he admitted to beating the boy w/a 'tree branch'.
Sep 12th 2014
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                     so he did.
Sep 12th 2014
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Naw. I'm good. Under the jail.
Sep 12th 2014
13
Those pics are not okay....like nah man
Sep 12th 2014
31
Why can't people control their kids without hitting them?
Sep 12th 2014
9
might have to wait til you're a mom
Sep 12th 2014
15
^^^ this
Sep 12th 2014
135
no she don't...
Sep 15th 2014
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its soooo much easier
Sep 12th 2014
17
in another words.. you know dick about basic behavioral psychology
Sep 12th 2014
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      I kno ur a fukin nutcase
Sep 12th 2014
83
           remember when you were surprised I wasn't black?
Sep 12th 2014
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                u r white dude. u said it urself.
Sep 12th 2014
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                     still haven't looked up Amritsar on google maps aye?
Sep 12th 2014
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                          Since when did logins equate race?
Sep 12th 2014
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it's so HARD!
Sep 12th 2014
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b/c it's easy and they're lazy and it's how they were taught.
Sep 12th 2014
26
remember when the NFL thought Michael Sam would be a distraction?
Sep 12th 2014
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LOL
Sep 12th 2014
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lmao. The NFL's own commissioner is a gotdamn distraction.
Sep 12th 2014
37
it really is.
Sep 12th 2014
56
      scale of 1-10.. how mad did Michael Sam make you tho?
Sep 12th 2014
78
           on a scale of 1-10.. how mad are you tho?
Sep 12th 2014
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                Lol the little hindu science olympiad thats followed me around for years
Sep 12th 2014
114
                     look at you attention whoring in a post about child abuse
Sep 12th 2014
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                          i guess I'll see you in your next passive-aggressive reply to me
Sep 12th 2014
118
Well if he made a team he would be
Sep 12th 2014
115
boi stawp (c)
Sep 12th 2014
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Lololololol
Sep 13th 2014
188
wow!
Sep 12th 2014
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you probably weren't spanked by a professional athlete.
Sep 12th 2014
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      my mom used a lot of objects other than belts
Sep 12th 2014
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      i'd be terrified of a father like the one you described.
Sep 12th 2014
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           Would you defend AP in this case?
Sep 12th 2014
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                i absolutely would if he paid me.
Sep 12th 2014
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                     so how does this jive w/ your personal agenda?
Sep 12th 2014
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                          it would jive w/my personal agenda to pay my bills.
Sep 12th 2014
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                               child abuse agenda be damned.
Sep 12th 2014
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                                    isn't everyone deserving of fair representation
Sep 12th 2014
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                                    agreed.
Sep 12th 2014
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                                    right.
Sep 12th 2014
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      thing is, it would be incorrect to conflate these behaviors with
Sep 12th 2014
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           true.
Sep 12th 2014
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                yeah, definitely.
Sep 12th 2014
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                agreed.
Sep 12th 2014
61
                they do that bc the sport is SO barbaric
Sep 12th 2014
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                     i think you're right.
Sep 12th 2014
75
Just saw the pictures..damn..
Sep 12th 2014
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I hope he doesn't apologize
Sep 12th 2014
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i hope doesn't and gets treated extremely harshly.
Sep 12th 2014
45
      i don't know
Sep 12th 2014
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           and that shit is vile. the fact that his parents and/or grandparents
Sep 12th 2014
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                to each his own
Sep 12th 2014
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                sure but i'm right and they're wrong.
Sep 12th 2014
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                Each his own applies to movies. And chain restaurants. Not to this.
Sep 12th 2014
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                ain't you a lawyer???
Sep 12th 2014
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                     that Texas grand jury said what AP admitted to doing ain't legal.
Sep 13th 2014
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                          which conflicts with the law on the books
Sep 13th 2014
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                               it's right there.
Sep 13th 2014
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                                    but that's not the wording of the law.
Sep 13th 2014
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                                         Reasonableness standard is objective.
Sep 13th 2014
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                                         The prosecution might have a tough time with this...
Sep 15th 2014
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                                              They won't.
Sep 15th 2014
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                                         The Montgomery County DA says AP went beyond "reasonable discipline"
Sep 13th 2014
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If there were pictures/videos of the ass whoopings most of us got as
Sep 12th 2014
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they should've been under the jail for what they did.
Sep 12th 2014
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Yeah because locking up all parents who hit their children is the answer
Sep 12th 2014
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      right.
Sep 12th 2014
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      lol
Sep 12th 2014
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      if ever there was a legitimate reason to put ppl in jail...
Sep 12th 2014
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           Child abuse vs disciplining is the rub...because there is a slight
Sep 12th 2014
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           Slight distinction? No. Just admit you condone child abuse and stop rati...
Sep 12th 2014
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                Yes, there's a slight distinction between a parent who abuses their
Sep 13th 2014
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                     You don't think you were abused because your parents "loved you".
Sep 13th 2014
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                     No, imbecile, I KNOW my parents loved me - it's something I don't
Sep 14th 2014
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                          i say this with no snark... it is possible to abuse someone you love.
Sep 14th 2014
                          No shit - this is why having these sensitive type of conversations on th...
Sep 14th 2014
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                               i'll say it again.
Sep 14th 2014
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                                    RE: i'll say it again.
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                                         they need not be distinguished from each other.
Sep 14th 2014
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                          i say this with no snark... it is possible to abuse someone you love.
Sep 14th 2014
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                          lol. Idiot. Can you read? Honest question.
Sep 14th 2014
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                               Not the nonsense you type
Sep 14th 2014
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                     You don't think you were abused because your parents "loved you&quo...
Sep 13th 2014
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           this is s point where not knowing the law makes you look silly
Sep 13th 2014
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                thanks!
Sep 13th 2014
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                generally what AP admitted to doing is illegal.
Sep 13th 2014
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                this reply will make you look like a real dipshit if (when) he is indict...
Sep 13th 2014
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                     nah b, I already posted them laws up but...
Sep 13th 2014
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                     I saw it, good luck with that in front of a jury
Sep 13th 2014
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                     he'd been indicted before i made this post.
Sep 13th 2014
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                          meant convicted
Sep 13th 2014
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                               gotcha. i expect he will plead guilty to a lesser offense
Sep 13th 2014
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I guess I got off pretty light
Sep 12th 2014
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can't argue with this one...
Sep 12th 2014
141
really? you were whipped on your dick w/ a switch?
Sep 13th 2014
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      I wasn't responding to or defending what AP did, I was responding to
Sep 13th 2014
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           RE: I wasn't responding to or defending what AP did, I was responding to
Sep 13th 2014
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                RE: I wasn't responding to or defending what AP did, I was responding to
Sep 13th 2014
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I agree he used excessive force
Sep 12th 2014
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outta the league--
Sep 12th 2014
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Louie CK on hitting kids
Sep 12th 2014
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LOL. 100% agreement.
Sep 12th 2014
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that is a GREAT video
Sep 13th 2014
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that was awesome
Sep 13th 2014
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great week for the nfl
Sep 12th 2014
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dont forget Jerry Jones
Sep 12th 2014
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      Yeah I forgot about that
Sep 12th 2014
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Excessive imo.
Sep 12th 2014
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gotta hear both sides, maybe the kid wanted "fuck-ing pie!!!!" right?
Sep 13th 2014
166
these four year olds can be bad as shit! hell yeah they need beatings!
Sep 12th 2014
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but see...
Sep 12th 2014
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guarantee all of our black leaders past n present got the switch
Sep 12th 2014
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i'm not particularly docile myself.
Sep 12th 2014
99
      nobody is saying beat the kid into a coma. AP went overboard
Sep 12th 2014
103
      There's data out that shows being gay is genetic
Sep 12th 2014
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           sooo ... let relativism reign?
Sep 13th 2014
169
BS. children are wild animals. literally.
Sep 12th 2014
100
amen
Sep 12th 2014
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my dad had a tone like that.
Sep 12th 2014
110
i get that kids are worrisome.
Sep 12th 2014
105
      dude, this is where you science types get it fucked up.
Sep 12th 2014
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           smh
Sep 12th 2014
123
Funny, you were such a bad person for telling your bully he had no frien...
Sep 12th 2014
152
you are really taking your piece-of-shitness to new heights in here
Sep 13th 2014
197
worst thing about Bin, is he's an idiot who thinks he's
Sep 13th 2014
249
2 concrete facts abt me, hoe: I'm brilliant and drop dead handsome
Sep 13th 2014
298
Ya mamas a piece of shit. Bitch. But tell her I'll be over after the fig...
Sep 13th 2014
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you'll teach your little girl, people who love you sometimes hit you
Sep 13th 2014
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      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Sep 13th 2014
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      People just don't get how long of a shadow abuse casts
Sep 13th 2014
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      ^^^^^^^^^scream it from the mountain tops.
Sep 13th 2014
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      i see that in my cousins and friends.
Sep 13th 2014
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      yal nyggas and this flawed ass logic yal keep pulling out
Sep 13th 2014
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      Bro. just stop trying to talk real world language.
Sep 13th 2014
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      lol, right, because our relationships with our parents ...
Sep 14th 2014
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      People who love you do sometimes hurt you. Welcome to reality.
Sep 13th 2014
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           intentionally? with physical violence?
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I'm 42 and I STILL have the mark on my arm from where my dad
Sep 12th 2014
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Question: would you find that an acceptable punishment for your own chil...
Sep 12th 2014
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dont know what this story is
Sep 12th 2014
121
lol he never intended to harm his son
Sep 12th 2014
125
Smh this NFL shit might be over soon. Too many of these dudes have brain...
Sep 12th 2014
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underrated reply.
Sep 13th 2014
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      LOL, yeah, multi billion dollar industries fold over shit like this. SMH
Sep 13th 2014
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I wish more parents would whoop their kids...
Sep 12th 2014
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Even if I did think beating a 4 your old with a switch was okay
Sep 12th 2014
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Yah....I've seen that dynamic.
Sep 12th 2014
139
Well we already know Peterson is a father of the year candidate
Sep 13th 2014
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      grow up
Sep 13th 2014
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           Oh, sorry, you don't find that relevant?
Sep 13th 2014
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is this the same guy who's kid was killed last year due to abuse?
Sep 12th 2014
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Yea but that was the kid's mom's bf who killed him
Sep 12th 2014
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      AP basically reacted like his neighbor's dog died or something
Sep 13th 2014
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on bare skin? on the leg? he forgot the rules to the game
Sep 12th 2014
133
not sure where you pulled any of the vindctive baby mother things from.....
Sep 12th 2014
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      taking the kid to the doctor over some welts??
Sep 13th 2014
167
           Those were clearly open wounds. My child is bleeding? Oh nooooooo
Sep 13th 2014
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                overall..if this blows up. he, and indirectly they, lose money off this
Sep 13th 2014
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                     I think you're unintelligent
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                          sorry if i touched a nerve
Sep 13th 2014
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                               Wow, you are sick
Sep 13th 2014
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                               it's called protecting your child, numbnuts
Sep 13th 2014
220
                               Thou art furious canine
Sep 14th 2014
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(C)orporal (T)huggin (E)nt.
Sep 12th 2014
138
As a parent of a 4 yr old, I couldn't agree with you more.
Sep 12th 2014
142
Good gracious, some folks is really showing their nutso in here.
Sep 12th 2014
143
The Mean Machine is going to be deep at RB
Sep 12th 2014
144
Some truly vile, evil people in here condoning this.
Sep 12th 2014
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sorry.
Sep 13th 2014
159
      Of course a pile of shit like you would trivialize this subject with you...
Sep 13th 2014
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      tough week?
Sep 13th 2014
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           cold truth is absolutely right about you.
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                yup
Sep 13th 2014
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                lol@ the cosigns from the 2 other crazed honkies
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      This post is answering many questions about you.
Sep 13th 2014
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           That's wassup
Sep 13th 2014
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Let a man do this to his wife, or a wife to her husband. These responses...
Sep 12th 2014
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that's different, because these parents love their kids.
Sep 13th 2014
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agree 100%--
Sep 13th 2014
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i am going out on a limb here.
Sep 13th 2014
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.......and another thing!--
Sep 13th 2014
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So do you condone the beating of this child or not?
Sep 13th 2014
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      ??? i wasn't being sarcastic--
Sep 13th 2014
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           I legit wasn't sure if it was sarcasm, so I asked instead of assumed.
Sep 13th 2014
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if he'd done this to his PUPPY....
Sep 13th 2014
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If my parents were charged for my past beatings, they'd be on death row
Sep 13th 2014
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Do you ever remember open wounds?
Sep 13th 2014
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      Yes, blood was shed.
Sep 13th 2014
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we cant even recognise the humanity in ourselves enough
Sep 13th 2014
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^^^^
Sep 13th 2014
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Hm, there sure are a lot of Black crimes being reported
Sep 13th 2014
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. . .
Sep 13th 2014
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The obvious to you is new news to someone else
Sep 13th 2014
222
whoa.
Sep 13th 2014
244
lofl.
Sep 13th 2014
255
And they can bank on us publically
Sep 14th 2014
375
Classic OKP For Dummies. Y'all are showing real crazy.
Sep 13th 2014
192
LOL, yeah, the revolutionary notion that you shouldnt abuse your kids
Sep 13th 2014
196
TOKPR. Jump to the extreme and then demand you own their fallacy.
Sep 13th 2014
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      Uh, I think it was not OKP but AP who jumped to the extreme
Sep 13th 2014
227
      HAGD.
Sep 13th 2014
254
           no, incoherent
Sep 13th 2014
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                Ok Blockhead.
Sep 13th 2014
273
      so Jesus would condone whooping your kids on the dick w/ a switch?
Sep 13th 2014
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           No one condones abuse. So to answer your extreme silly example, No.
Sep 13th 2014
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                Except you do and are.
Sep 13th 2014
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                     Enjoy #259 and HAGD
Sep 13th 2014
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beaten with a switch = authentic experience?
Sep 13th 2014
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Chastisement with a switch is not uncommon or unnecessary
Sep 13th 2014
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No real authentic experience? Please expound. You don't know what you're...
Sep 13th 2014
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      I'm talking about experience in general on a number of issues.
Sep 13th 2014
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           Name names.
Sep 13th 2014
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           LOL.. This is your logical response..
Sep 13th 2014
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                Yes, asking you to post specific examples of your vague ass assertions i...
Sep 14th 2014
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           says the guy that stays giving ___ ppl advice about ___ .
Sep 13th 2014
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                Dude, you are obsessed with me.
Sep 13th 2014
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                     the only person i am obsessed with is michael jackson.
Sep 13th 2014
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we need to make peace with the fact that our parents weren't perfect
Sep 13th 2014
200
yes to all of this
Sep 13th 2014
207
Truth. They don't hear you tho.
Sep 13th 2014
208
There's some things we don't want to know. IMPORTANT THINGS (c) Flanders
Sep 13th 2014
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This:
Sep 13th 2014
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^very important point.
Sep 13th 2014
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nobody is.
Sep 13th 2014
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That wasn't a "whuppin" tho......
Sep 13th 2014
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I'm not addressing that phe. I already stated what I thought of him earl...
Sep 13th 2014
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i mean i figured you were a little shit, but what's changed?
Sep 13th 2014
286
ur on a roll
Sep 13th 2014
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Pretty much
Sep 13th 2014
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yup.
Sep 13th 2014
243
Out side of SW's shade. best reply in here
Sep 13th 2014
258
I need to call my father right now and thank him for every ass whippin
Sep 13th 2014
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^^^^
Sep 15th 2014
389
Stuffing a 4 yr olds mouth w/leaves, whipping & breaking his skin
Sep 13th 2014
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daddy has the biggest heart but he will snap and whip your ass
Sep 13th 2014
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BUT IT'S LEGAL ... In Uzbekistan
Sep 13th 2014
226
Peterson's 2 year old son was beaten to death a year ago.. wtf
Sep 13th 2014
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: (
Sep 13th 2014
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i thought his name sounded familiar... WTF?
Sep 13th 2014
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And he did this as punishment for the child "pushing" one of his sibling...
Sep 13th 2014
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wow..some of yall need to be beat with a switch right today
Sep 13th 2014
253
This post, The Rice post, and a couple of others
Sep 13th 2014
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So what are you solutions? No SNARK,
Sep 13th 2014
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      Step 1: don't inflict bodily harm onto people you love.
Sep 13th 2014
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           thank you.
Sep 13th 2014
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           No, you provide the steps to changing a culture.
Sep 13th 2014
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                Where are YOUR solutions? All you've provided is excuses, resistance, an...
Sep 13th 2014
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                     I asked the question first.
Sep 13th 2014
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                          Anyone who thinks abuse is a problem should be providing solutions
Sep 13th 2014
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                               What your point-by-poin solution to addressing the culture.
Sep 13th 2014
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                                    There's only one point: violence has NO place in family life
Sep 13th 2014
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                                    What's yours? You don't have one. You want it to continue, not change.
Sep 13th 2014
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                                         RIF. I never said the solution was a one-step action plan.
Sep 13th 2014
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                                              Typical preacher with the diversions. Stop dancing, Pastor Snake Oil
Sep 13th 2014
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                                                   Ok.
Sep 13th 2014
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                                                   Aren't you a Christian, too?
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                        Not exactly practicing. I pretty much loathe the current institution of ...
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                             'Not exactly practicing?' Wtf does that even mean? Either you
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                                  why not?
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                                  Church politics vary from church to church and why should how a
Sep 14th 2014
353
                                                                       what?
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                                            unpack all of what? Ok, you're an atheist, good for you, but I was
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                                                 No, that's not what the fuck I said. Go on and cook though.
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                                                 But you did say 'my faith isn't what it once was' right? Now, tell me wh...
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                                                 lol. You're hilarious with the diversions. Almost as bad as Case with th...
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                                                 This isn't at all a diversion - we're talking abt your value system whic...
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                                                 Nice try, but no. Keep thinking everyone agrees with every aspect of the...
Sep 14th 2014
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                                                                                 You can't pick and choose what you will or won't accept w/your religion
Sep 15th 2014
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                                                                                 and further down the rabbit hole we go.
Sep 15th 2014
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                                                                                 Ethics aren't predicated on theological belief.
Sep 15th 2014
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                                                                  Do you know what "practicing" means?
Sep 14th 2014
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           So you think a mandate like that will change everything instantly?
Sep 13th 2014
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                lmao
Sep 13th 2014
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                     Since you have so much insight, why don't you do something consecutive?
Sep 13th 2014
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                          He did that already. He consecutively responded to your bobbing and weav...
Sep 14th 2014
373
I love all the parenting experts in here
Sep 13th 2014
274
Why are you even trying to make REAL Sense,
Sep 13th 2014
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No. You definitely shouldn't allow everyone to handle their own kids the...
Sep 13th 2014
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      RE: No. You definitely shouldn't allow everyone to handle their own kids...
Sep 13th 2014
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           Meanwhile, I don't even know who you are.
Sep 13th 2014
327
Only in OKPland
Sep 13th 2014
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Ok. Are you saying that all or some physical discipline is the issues?
Sep 13th 2014
283
RE: Ok. Are you saying that all or some physical discipline is the issue...
Sep 13th 2014
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you mean people on a message board have opinions?
Sep 13th 2014
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I am talking about people being consistent in their opinions.
Sep 13th 2014
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      OK, so to recap, if you don't have a PhD, you can't have an opinion
Sep 14th 2014
340
The funniest part of comments like that
Sep 13th 2014
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well, I *am* a psychologist and corporal punishment isnt good
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      RE: well, I *am* a psychologist and corporal punishment isnt good
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           RE: well, I *am* a psychologist and corporal punishment isnt good
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i cannot WAIT to see the bullshit your kids get into as teens
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Bin, honey....
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      ill be here in 2025 of course. so when it happens, tell me abt it.
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      you know what...lemme lay out a scenario. you tell me
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           i bring my loaded pistol w/me to his bedroom.
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                well...wasnt expecting that response.
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                oh ok.
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                So if he keeps fuckin up, you gonna keep pullin' the thang out...
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                U joking right?
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these controversies are really exposing people
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SO serious. This is CRAZY to see who is in here sayin what..
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OMG I CAN'T with this post!! This is NOT an anti-discipline issue!!!!
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some ppl think what AP did is wrong though it's not always wrong
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And even that's only because it means getting caught.
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thank and you
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Exactly!!!
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Well I don't say that
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ok he wrong as a mf. I didn't know all dat
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complete insanity.
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put ur gotdamb caplocks away and read the post instead of skimming
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pretty much. and i support whoopins. but AP is ridiculous for this.
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you definitely didn't read through this post sis
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      ^^ ALL OF THIS ^^
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what AP did was abuse....
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Yeah people are gonna judge u regardless tho
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this is common practice where i'm from. I don't see the problem
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the end result is all around you
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i want to add this clarification
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      What's to clarify? We got that from your first post.
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           didn't want to seem like I was condoning abuse nm
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                Oh but you do
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                i'm not big on spanking children in general actually
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                What AP Did was excessive and wrong. period.
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RE: Beating a 4 yr old with a switch is reprehensible.
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yeah, yeah, you mad, we get it
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i've never come close...
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1. "Some people are old school"
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When it comes to discipline children. I am personally not a fan of whoopings and God knows I have had my fair share of them, but this shit is getting a little out of hand. I really hope more information is shared before issuing suspensions.

  

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2. "The old school is full of traditions we have done away with."
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This needs to be one of them.

fuck you.

  

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3. "but the conditions remain-"
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can't expect the effects to go away if the causes can stay unnoticed/untouched.

there is an elephant that has always been in the room....

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8. "It's called kids being kids. Lol"
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Kids won't ever be perfectly behaved. That's no reason to abuse them by beating them.

fuck you.

  

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19. "ap is a scapegoat."
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& you know it.

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22. "AP is an alleged child abuser."
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i know that.

fuck you.

  

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113. "fuck your allegations. that means something now?"
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is this worse than the guy who actually killed his other son?

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180. "he's an admitted child abuser."
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he admitted he beat the boy w/a tree branch aka a switch. he admitted he left those welts on the boy.

6 games.

fuck you.

  

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5. "Not everyone"
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>This needs to be one of them.

As you see, All Day kept switch whoopings as a tradition. He did it how it was done to him by his folks and or grand folks which was done to them by their folks, grand folks.

Just to make sure we are clear, I would not use switches on a child. I am not sure I would even whoop a child due to the way I was disciplined as a child.

But..

I am not going to just say All Day deserves the death penalty because he chose to whoop his child. I think more information is needed in this situation.

  

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10. "6 weeks."
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fuck you.

  

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21. "I need more facts"
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I understand people are salivating to place Black men in jail. I get it. But, I do believe in due process. Why did this come out today when it happened a few months ago?

Since you are a legal eagle, then I know you are familiar with the 13th Amendment. I have my theories about it, but that is another topic for another day.

If Adrian Peterson did this to his 4 year old..

http://hitchcock.itc.virginia.edu/Slavery/details.php?categorynum=16&categoryName=Physical%20Punishment,%20Rebellion,%20Running%20Away&theRecord=24&recordCount=87

Then I will say ban him from the league immediately and let's fill up the prisons!

But, if said whopping resulted in a few welts on the legs, then I am not sure I would ride with a six game suspension.

  

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23. "6 games."
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under the jail.

fuck you.

  

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25. "When the facts come out"
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That warrants a six game suspension, then I will ride with you. Otherwise...he plays.

  

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32. "Look at those pics"
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39. "I did and made another post about it"
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I just asked for more information. I do not believe in punishing someone without knowing the facts. I never said AP was not guilty. Just want to make that clear.

Btw, did you read the statement made by AP's attorney?

I

  

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109. "Yea and I read what the kid said"
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AP is fery confident in his decision and while I don't think it's abuse necessarily it is def. excessive. Those pocs are from a week after the original whipping. And the leaves in the mouth?

  

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158. "I think it is abuse"
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>AP is fery confident in his decision and while I don't think
>it's abuse necessarily it is def. excessive. Those pocs are
>from a week after the original whipping. And the leaves in the
>mouth?

I also think it was excessive. However, I do understand why AP felt that he did not go overboard with the discipline. He received the same level of punishment as a child and did what he felt was right(which isn't).

Seems like people do not want to understand how this level of punishment, as fucked up as it is, is considered "normal" by a lot of people. Thinking of my own situation and looking at this child's situation, I wonder what can a child do at 4 to receive welts like this?

Last, I really feel that the media, as well as other people(that shall be nameless)have some sort of agenda. People love to pick and choose what to be appalled and outraged about which makes it hard for me to take them seriously. Then you got people who want to call people evil and vile because they are not able to understand how this type of punishment is considered normal as well as want to demonize those who prefer to gather more evidence before placing judgment. This whole thread reminds me of the Scottsboro Boys case. Basically, the hell with due process! Lynch em now, ask questions later!

I am going to wait for the Greg Hardy and Aaron Mc Donald cases next. Those cases are going to be very interesting. I already know they will be guilty off the top and will have to prove their innocence instead of the inverse. It is what it is.

I hope AP will learn from this horrible situation and grow as a person and parent.

  

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205. "*Ray McDonald. And I have no idea how Hardy is playing"
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1 that audio is chilling and 2 how is he able to appeal that at all I need to see what his grounds are

I dont diagree that the media picks and chooses what they focus on but certain things are just wrong off the rip.

  

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216. "Hardy has evidence to support his defense, I guess."
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As for Mc Donald, I do no know about his situation. Also, you know someone dug up dirt on Terrelle Suggs, right?

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/09/terrell_suggs_domestic_violence_like_his_teammate_ray_rice_the_ravens_linebacker.html

There is something going on and it is unfortunate some people are not hip to the game.

  

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34. "the pix + AP's admission are all the facts i need."
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under the jail.

6 game suspension.

fuck you.

  

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53. "Ok"
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Who else do you want suspended?

Make sure he is Black, btw.

Gotta keep them savages locked up, right?

  

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57. "oh yeah b/c i hate black men."
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like, all of us. mostly myself b/c this is rooted in self-hate. i want all black men locked up and sent out on a rocketship to outer space so i never have to see us again.

you're so right.

fuck you.

  

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69. "Would not doubt it"
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You a lil too excited about this unfortunate situation.

  

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73. "i'm over here celebrating w/a watermelon mimosa."
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fuck you.

  

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89. "Yep"
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Good. Must taste good, huh?

Got that fried chicken on deck?

  

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92. "no b/c das racist."
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fuck you.

  

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97. "So.."
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Oh..Ur Black. It can't be racist. No power them chickens.

  

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129. "Beating a 4 year old with a switch "
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Is not an unfortunate incident. That shit is child abuse, plain and simple.

  

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136. "what?"
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>Is not an unfortunate incident. That shit is child abuse,
>plain and simple.

What are you talking about? Who are you to tell me anything about child abuse? Why are you coming at me with this bullshit? Look, If you got issues with me then air it out, but don't you ever try to lecture me about child abuse especially when I have said numerous times how I felt about the situation. It would be one thing if I supported AP whooping his kid like that and you came at me sideways, but when I actually stated that I do not support his situation as well as shared my personal experience with worse treatment and you do not say shit about it, then that is where I draw the line!

You are wrong for saying this shit to me. You dead wrong for not checking time stamps. You are wrong for low key accusing me of lacking compassion for that child. If you lack the capability to see my point of view and want to be a hater, then please refrain from responding to me.

It is unfortunate that the child sustain those injuries and AP is wrong for what he did. Some of you people here are fucking weird and this is why I lack any compassion for some of you because you certainly do not show it unless it benefits you. Smh

  

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140. "Really????"
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You are no one for me to waste my time hating. I just responded to your comment about this being an unfortunate incident. Lol you are just upset you couldn't go back to edit the shit.

The mother of the child reported his ass to Children's Services so apparently she doesn't like his style of discipline!!! So if the mother thought it was a bit much she has every right to tell him how to discipline their child.

All that other shit you typed was a bit much. I just won't respond to you.

  

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145. "Good"
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>You are no one for me to waste my time hating. I just
>responded to your comment about this being an unfortunate
>incident. Lol you are just upset you couldn't go back to edit
>the shit.
>
>The mother of the child reported his ass to Children's
>Services so apparently she doesn't like his style of
>discipline!!! So if the mother thought it was a bit much she
>has every right to tell him how to discipline their child.
>
>All that other shit you typed was a bit much. I just won't
>respond to you.


I am glad you have revealed that you are a hater. Whether you respond to me or not will not affect my life whatsoever. I know what the mother did and I know what the father did.

Point is that stating something was unfortunate is not an egregious statement. It is an honest statement and a real statement. Also, said statement was not directed towards you, but you took it upon yourself to make it personal while ignoring everything else that was stated. That is what a hater does. Just admit that you are a hater. I know that I am hated here. It is what it is.

You just had no business coming at me talking shit and you know it. Stay away from my posts so that there will be peace.

  

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173. "you're a fucking idiot."
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never post again.

  

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215. "It takes a fucking idiot to know a fucking idiot, bitch!"
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Make me stop posting, punk! You need to get off these nuts and go fuck yourself! Do not respond to me again, you effeminate hoe boy.

  

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36. "all part of the plan to effeminatize the black man"
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Nothing makes yt more happy than seeing brothers in jail

not raising there kids to become men

kill 2 birds with 1 stone

they hope the black man turns gay in prison

and his son is at home with his momma learning beyonce songs and dances

staywoke


Say dat then.
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47. "Yo"
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I am not a fan of whoopings, but what I do not like is people telling other people how to discipline their children.

Those pics are disturbing, but I am sure both of us had those same wounds growing up. Shit, I was put in a hospital at AP's son age over some bullshit, so I am all familiar with excessive discipline.

I can not rock with what AP did, but this is how a lot of Black folks discipline their kids. You know it and I know it.

Yeah, there is an all out assault on Black men now. It is crazy.

  

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71. "naw I ain't never get whooped that bad"
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moms ain't never broke skin on a nygga


that ish was excessive

I think it's cause AP prolly don't spend alot of time with his kids so lil kid prolly wasn't minding him like he thought he should and he tried to beat respect into him

that's that bullshyt

but normal whoopins like I grew up with aint abuse


but u right

its open season on black men

and what better way to paint the picture of angry, agressive black man than big ol nlack nfl players


Say dat then.
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85. "I have, man"
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>moms ain't never broke skin on a nygga
>
>
>that ish was excessive
>
>I think it's cause AP prolly don't spend alot of time with his
>kids so lil kid prolly wasn't minding him like he thought he
>should and he tried to beat respect into him
>
>that's that bullshyt
>
>but normal whoopins like I grew up with aint abuse
>
>
>but u right
>
>its open season on black men
>
>and what better way to paint the picture of angry, agressive
>black man than big ol nlack nfl players
>
>

I have had skin broke and then some. Reminds of another thread where someone asked my why I do not have a relationship with my pops. But, I forgave him and moved on with my life.

What is wild man is that people catch hard ons when they hear about Black men doing vile shit and be quiet than a mofo when other men do equally vile shit. Same goes with women.

I can not rock with AP on this and if dude needs to be suspended, then so be it. As for jail time, I do not know that is the best option. He believed that he was disciplining his child properly. He from East Texas and said that is how he was disciplined. He may not know that these days, you can not discipline kids like kids got disciplined back in the day. So, hopefully, he will learn to find alternative ways to discipline his child and if he has another child with a non Black woman(I assume this child is biracial), things are a lil different when it comes to discipline.

Yeah, Greg Hardy next.

The NFL gonna be the CFL 2.0 when it is all said and done.

  

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96. "contrary to popular belief, white ppl beat the shit out of their kids to..."
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not all of them but plenty of them. just like not all Black parents beat their kids.

fuck you.

  

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98. "You don't say?"
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Not only them, but Latinos and other non Black folks. I had a Mexican dude tell me his mom used to hang him upside down in a closet.

  

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102. "mmhmm. and Asians."
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ppl all over the world mistreat kids. they're easy targets. plus they often 'deserve it' b/c they tend to misbehave - it's the nature of kids. not unlike animals. but it's not as acceptable to beat a pet. i agree w/the Louie CK joke - we treat kids worse than animals. b/c i don't know anyone who would agree that it's okay to beat a puppy w/a tree branch as long as one doesn't leave a mark on the dog. but i know several ppl who will agree that it's fine to beat a child, even a small child, w/a tree branch as long as one doesn't leave a mark on the child. it's pretty disgusting.

fuck you.

  

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119. "Here is the thing"
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Why are you typing like people here support AP? I initially said that I needed more information which is how it should be. As time went on, the pictures showed up and I was able to make a better assessment of the situation. I am not going to just jump and call for someone's head based off of an allegation with little evidence. When there is evidence supporting the allegation, then it ok to get your judgment on.

I know all about whoopins and switches. I do not agree with AP breaking skin nor whooping a child like that. You are not the only person here who feels for the child.

  

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181. "AP's admission and the pix of the boy's injuries are the evidence."
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6 games.

fuck you.

  

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206. "He admitted to using a switch"
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He also said that was how he was punished as a child and he did not feel that he did anything wrong. He was asked if he would use an extension chord to whoop a child and he said no. Then he was beginning to realize that he was excessive with his choice of punishment.

So, he just did not admit that he abused the child. He admitted to using a switch. He also was cooperative with authorities and turned himself in.

I needed a lil more before placing judgment. Once I saw the pics, then I was able to fully understand the severity of his actions.

  

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240. "*pats head*"
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bless your heart.

fuck you.

  

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261. "*swats your hand away*"
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Hmm..

Not feeling your fake outrage but continue to enjoy..

  

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262. "^ and with that you have saved your reputation on this board"
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and have officially vanquished me in this little competitive discussion we've had. that was the tipping point right there. thank goodness you came back and posted that or else you'd have suffered a massive loss here. you'd have had an L-batross around your neck for infinity. but with that reply you are victorious.

it's a great day.

fuck you.

  

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266. "So?"
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You are fake. Besides, I don't care for your feminine energy. You wanna come here on some holier than thou bullshit. You do not care about Adrian Peterson's son! You are only here to troll. You had every chance to have a civil discussion and the sad part is that I actually agreed with you on the most important thing regarding this case.

So, fuck off! I care less about a stupid online reputation. The only reputation worth caring about is the one that I have already established with those who really know me. Now you have a good day and continue with making yourself an above it all wanna be a victim. Seriously miss me with this feminine energy bullshit! Man up!

  

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267. "Why are you putting your hands on him?"
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That's a clear case of Simple Battery.

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101. "well at least u turned out normal"
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Say dat then.
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107. "Yeah"
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It affects you. I think abuse affects everyone involved. I wish AP didn't choose that way to discipline his son. Just be prepared for more drama, if you are a football fan. More to come.

  

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165. "Remember what we talked about earlier?"
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Yeah man, it is on!

Check this out..

http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2014/09/terrell_suggs_domestic_violence_like_his_teammate_ray_rice_the_ravens_linebacker.html

Like we said, the purge is on!

  

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41. "rape and incest is "old school," too"
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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48. "Yep"
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So is lynchings, decapitation and other horrible things. Are you suggesting I support what AP did?

  

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4. "Spare the rod spoil the child"
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The thing is-- the child doesn't have to be hit hard or more than once. A tap would actually suffice.

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11. "Why not an actual rod?"
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Maybe bc that's a metaphor. It means kids need discipline. But not to be beaten with an actual rod or to be beaten at all. If God wants kids beaten then He's as hateful and awful as I know Him to be.

fuck you.

  

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14. "I'm sure it was a kinder gentler middle east back then"
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it can be both metaphor and literal and it doesn't say beat your child like a drum.

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24. "it's a metaphor."
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since just about everyone agrees the scripture doesn't call for an actual rod to be used i know that ppl are using it to excuse their own barbarism toward their children, even if it's 'well-meaning' or done out of 'love'. fuck them and fuck that. the practice is abhorrent and no actual 'loving' God would cosign it.

fuck you.

  

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175. "Didn't know you were there when it was written"
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A metaphor for what? A tool through which discipline is administered. I think I made it clear it's not about violence, but I get it man, you hate God or whatever. It's cool, you're not alone out there.

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184. "yeah i was there holding the paper."
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and since the scripture is a metaphor the ppl who interpret it as being in support of child abuse are merely using it as a cover to excuse their own wretchedness toward their children.

fuck you.

  

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6. "and people wonder why ap runs like hell"
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you know he's passing down tradition

  

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7. "can we please wait for the FACTS before we skewer people?"
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i mean, at least let there be oil to fry with before you fry them.

  

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12. "lol u must not be familiar with sowhat and his cause"
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Say dat then.
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"Naw. I'm good. Under the jail."


  

          

fuck you.

  

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29. "ain't you a lawyer?"
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30. "under the jail."
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6 game suspension.

fuck you.

  

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35. "them photos look ugly i'll admit."
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but w/out FACTS i'm not judging.

shit, some skank he was smashing coulda did that to his kid while he was at practice cuz the kid was pissing her off or some shit.

now, leaving your kid w/ some skank would cause some other kinda judgement from me...and it's all hypothetical of course.

but yeah. gonna wait for facts especially in light of recent events.

  

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38. "he admitted to beating the boy w/a 'tree branch'."
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aka a switch.

i don't need more facts.

fuck you.

  

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44. "so he did."
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didn't see that he said he did til just now.

uggghhhh.

  

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13. "Naw. I'm good. Under the jail."
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fuck you.

  

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31. "Those pics are not okay....like nah man"
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9. "Why can't people control their kids without hitting them?"
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I'm not a mom so idk, but that shit seems unessecary.

  

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15. "might have to wait til you're a mom"
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to find out.

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135. "^^^ this"
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you have no real say in it until you're a parent.

As one, and one that has used several different methods to "control" my kids, I can say that the single most effective has been an ass whoopin. Nothing else comes close.

  

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392. "no she don't..."
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not hitting your child is conscious decision you go into parenthood with.

  

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17. "its soooo much easier"
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Theres so much better things to be doing instead of having a 20min convo with a disrespectful kid

3 pops on the thigh with a fresh switch to get em some instant akrite beats that anyday





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63. "in another words.. you know dick about basic behavioral psychology "
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this is the land of W. Bush tho


wouldn't expect anything better

  

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83. "I kno ur a fukin nutcase"
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Who gets high and daydreams of being black

is that enough?

Say dat then.
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112. "remember when you were surprised I wasn't black? "
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now I'm white. lol



the guy advocating for beating 4year old children is calling me a nutcase




you couldn't make this shit up

  

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122. "u r white dude. u said it urself. "
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and yea

ur a nutcase either way

even if u post after smoking yaself retarded

Say dat then.
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124. "still haven't looked up Amritsar on google maps aye? "
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126. "Since when did logins equate race?"
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and even if u indian it don't make u anymore down

is that supposed to give u a pass to question the Blackness of somebody

uv done that often

yes I remember the lebron shuckin n jivin comment


so who gave u ur pass?

nutcase


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20. "it's so HARD!"
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seriously
sometimes they make you so angry

i don't spank my son
i slap his hand when he reaches for something dangerous, but like i barely even touch him and he cries. it's not so much the pain that scares them, it's the act.

i wish people could think about that.

  

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26. "b/c it's easy and they're lazy and it's how they were taught."
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and most other parents who also abuse their children will cosign it plus as long as they don't leave injuries the law will back them up.

fuck you.

  

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16. "remember when the NFL thought Michael Sam would be a distraction?"
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tuh

  

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27. "LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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37. "lmao. The NFL's own commissioner is a gotdamn distraction. "
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What an awful culture they have over there.




  

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56. "it really is. "
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78. "scale of 1-10.. how mad did Michael Sam make you tho? "
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a known rabid homophobe who has used fa###t multiple times on here


must've fucked your whole world up when you realized a gay man could make it to the NFL

  

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91. "on a scale of 1-10.. how mad are you tho? "
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yea ive said faggot in the past, along with retarded. ive stopped using both words in real life and here/twitter

you however, have much more serious issues.

unball your fists, go have a capri sun and watch cartoon network.

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114. "Lol the little hindu science olympiad thats followed me around for years"
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Telling me i have issues lol


I forgot u even exist for a while now. Until u started replying to me lately.

Its clear our past back-and-forths struck a nerve. Sorry bro. It wasnt right for me to pick on the geeky fob in the back of the class. Not your fault your pops never taught you to not be afraid of the ball

  

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117. "look at you attention whoring in a post about child abuse"
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get a grip dude.


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118. "i guess I'll see you in your next passive-aggressive reply to me"
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months down the road



bigger question tho ... its almost 9:00 est on a friday. The fuck are you doing on okp?

  

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115. "Well if he made a team he would be"
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Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

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128. "boi stawp (c) "
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188. "Lololololol"
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18. "wow!"
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even when i WAS spanked i didn't have bruises like that
mfers take shit too far

  

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28. "you probably weren't spanked by a professional athlete."
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this definitely doesn't help the NFL's image. they want us to believe these players aren't barbarians but....

fuck you.

  

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40. "my mom used a lot of objects other than belts"
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but i did have a hs boyfriend who's father was a former nfl player. dude would spank him with fishing poles, pool stick etc.

he admitted to being really bad during this period in his life but still...

he once told me he dad jumped clear across said pool table to beat that ass.

i was pro spank until i had my son. one day we were at the playground and i heard this father threaten to kick his 7 yr old son's teeth in for hitting his cousin.

i was like you know what...i'm good on this.

  

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43. "i'd be terrified of a father like the one you described."
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one who'd jump across a pool table to beat me? and beat me w/a pool stick?

man.

i dunno how parents treat their own defenseless children like that. like, how do they sleep the night after they've done that to the child they love?

fuck you.

  

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52. "Would you defend AP in this case?"
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"A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan" (c) Martin Luther King Jr.

  

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58. "i absolutely would if he paid me."
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fuck you.

  

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66. "so how does this jive w/ your personal agenda?"
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"A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan" (c) Martin Luther King Jr.

  

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74. "it would jive w/my personal agenda to pay my bills."
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fuck you.

  

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87. "child abuse agenda be damned."
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where dem dollas at?

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88. "isn't everyone deserving of fair representation "
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ain't really no issue with him defending him

  

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95. "agreed."
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fuck you.

  

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94. "right."
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fuck you.

  

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46. "thing is, it would be incorrect to conflate these behaviors with"
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anything the NFL induces. this is all stuff these people have learned way before they were in the league.

jail never teaches you why something is wrong.

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50. "true."
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but the way the league portrays these guys...it simply sets itself up to be embarrassed constantly by putting forth the notion that its players are all upstanding citizens w/good morals and ethics and all that jazz. you've heard it. all of that trying too hard sets the league up to constantly put out fires when its players behave badly.

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59. "yeah, definitely."
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but purporting exceptionalism across industries is pretty much the american way. its sad cause it really thwarts progress.

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61. "agreed."
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fuck you.

  

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67. "they do that bc the sport is SO barbaric"
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it's a ridiculous gesture to mask such a violent sport. bodies pumped up and smashing against each other for entertainment.

ugh.

our son will never ever play.

  

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75. "i think you're right."
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fuck you.

  

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33. "Just saw the pictures..damn.."
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I mean, suspend him.

That is what switches do to you.

He tore his son up.

Switches will do that..

Suck for the lil man

No 4 year old deserves to be whooped like that, but I believe AP felt he whooped him normally. Very tough.

  

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42. "I hope he doesn't apologize"
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if he truly believes thats the way to raise his child then stand by your decision to whoop him with the switch.

all this jail talk though....




let it shine through!!!!!!

  

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45. "i hope doesn't and gets treated extremely harshly."
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if that's how he wants to live then he should stand by it and accept all of the consequences. and i hope they're severe.

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54. "i don't know"
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the boy is young and the pics seem like he laid into him a bit. Thats how some people are raised though, a good whooping will teach them to mind.



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60. "and that shit is vile. the fact that his parents and/or grandparents"
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may have treated him that way doesn't excuse his conduct.

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64. "to each his own"
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for some people they feel the whoopings worked for them cus a good stern talking to would not have helped. Others feel like you, it was wrong and should not be tolerated.





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76. "sure but i'm right and they're wrong."
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fuck you.

  

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150. "Each his own applies to movies. And chain restaurants. Not to this. "
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This is not an agree to disagree to disagree scenario. This is black and white, right and wrong.

The bottom line with this situation is that the line was crossed so far that no reasonable human being can even begin to play devil's advocate with it. This isn't a discussion about whether a swat on the butt is acceptable (I don't think it's ever acceptable to put hands on a child, but that's me), it's a discussion of pictures that document very clear abuse. If this were his wife and not a child, there would be NO fucking discussion form 95% of you.

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147. "ain't you a lawyer???"
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shouldn't you know that the shit is 100% legal in all 50 states, DC, and the territories???

If you didn't know that, you should.


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182. "that Texas grand jury said what AP admitted to doing ain't legal."
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they said the prosecutors have probable cause to bring a case against him for beating his son w/a switch.

i don't even need to be a lawyer to know that.

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235. "which conflicts with the law on the books"
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Texas laws regarding corporal punishment:

Abuse does not include reasonable discipline by a parent/guardian/managing or possessory conservator if child not exposed to substantial risk of harm. Family Code § 261.001.

Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child is justified to use non-deadly force against a child under 18 when and to degree the actor reasonably believes necessary to discipline, or safeguard or promote child's welfare. Penal § 9.61.


Specific to the penal code, how does the prosecutor plan to reconcile this? If dude felt this was force he believed necessary to discipline his kid, especially since he may have been subjected to it himself as well as his own parents and grandparents, how can the prosecution have a case over some welts?

To me, it looks like a prosecutor grandstanding and trying to make a name because they're dealing with a sports celebrity.


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242. "it's right there."
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>Texas laws regarding corporal punishment:
>
>Abuse does not include reasonable discipline by a
>parent/guardian/managing or possessory conservator if child
>not exposed to substantial risk of harm. Family Code §
>261.001.
>
>Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child is
>justified to use non-deadly force against a child under 18
>when and to degree the actor reasonably believes necessary to
>discipline, or safeguard or promote child's welfare. Penal §
>9.61.
>
>
>Specific to the penal code, how does the prosecutor plan to
>reconcile this?

by proving that AP's conduct was not 'reasonable discipline' and that it exposed his son to a 'substantial risk of harm'. AP admitted he hit the boy w/a tree branch. he admitted that his hitting the boy caused the injuries seen in the pix. the prosecutor will argue that it's not reasonable to beat the boy w/a tree branch causing those injuries. also, the prosecutor will use expert testimony to establish that the beating exposed the boy a substantial risk of harm. considering AP's size relative to that of his son, the boy's physical experience during the beating, maybe any potential lingering emotional or psychological harm, and the obvious physical harm as proved by the pictures of the boy's injuries.

it's a pretty easy case, really. i doubt it actually goes to trial. b/c it'll be too easy for the prosecution to select a jury that will want to convict AP based on the pix and his statements. they won't even need expert testimony - it's just that obvious to the average person who sees those pix.

If dude felt this was force he believed
>necessary to discipline his kid, especially since he may have
>been subjected to it himself as well as his own parents and
>grandparents, how can the prosecution have a case over some
>welts?

nope. b/c again, the reasonableness of AP's conduct will be at issue. given the circumstance that caused AP to believe the defenseless boy weighing less than 100 pounds and standing less than 4 feet tall needed to be beaten until he was bloodied and bruised by a 200-plus pound professional athlete who stands greater than 6 feet tall, the prosecutor will argue that the boy hadn't done anything to deserve what AP did to him. the prosecution will argue that it was unreasonable for AP to believe that was the proper way to discipline his boy.

again, pretty easy case.

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264. "but that's not the wording of the law."
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>>Texas laws regarding corporal punishment:
>>
>>Abuse does not include reasonable discipline by a
>>parent/guardian/managing or possessory conservator if child
>>not exposed to substantial risk of harm. Family Code §
>>261.001.
>>
>>Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child
>is
>>justified to use non-deadly force against a child under 18
>>when and to degree the actor reasonably believes necessary
>to
>>discipline, or safeguard or promote child's welfare. Penal

>>9.61.
>>
>>
>>Specific to the penal code, how does the prosecutor plan to
>>reconcile this?
>
>by proving that AP's conduct was not 'reasonable discipline'
>and that it exposed his son to a 'substantial risk of harm'.
>AP admitted he hit the boy w/a tree branch. he admitted that
>his hitting the boy caused the injuries seen in the pix. the
>prosecutor will argue that it's not reasonable to beat the boy
>w/a tree branch causing those injuries. also, the prosecutor
>will use expert testimony to establish that the beating
>exposed the boy a substantial risk of harm. considering AP's
>size relative to that of his son, the boy's physical
>experience during the beating, maybe any potential lingering
>emotional or psychological harm, and the obvious physical harm
>as proved by the pictures of the boy's injuries.
>
>it's a pretty easy case, really. i doubt it actually goes to
>trial. b/c it'll be too easy for the prosecution to select a
>jury that will want to convict AP based on the pix and his
>statements. they won't even need expert testimony - it's just
>that obvious to the average person who sees those pix.
>
> If dude felt this was force he believed
>>necessary to discipline his kid, especially since he may
>have
>>been subjected to it himself as well as his own parents and
>>grandparents, how can the prosecution have a case over some
>>welts?
>
>nope. b/c again, the reasonableness of AP's conduct will be
>at issue. given the circumstance that caused AP to believe
>the defenseless boy weighing less than 100 pounds and standing
>less than 4 feet tall needed to be beaten until he was
>bloodied and bruised by a 200-plus pound professional athlete
>who stands greater than 6 feet tall, the prosecutor will argue
>that the boy hadn't done anything to deserve what AP did to
>him. the prosecution will argue that it was unreasonable for
>AP to believe that was the proper way to discipline his boy.
>
>again, pretty easy case.

The wording of the law dictates that it's up to the actor's discretion as to what is considered "reasonable", not the state.

"Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child is justified to use non-deadly force against a child under 18 ***when and to degree the actor reasonably believes necessary***."

The argument you're presenting assumes it it up to the state to determine what is reasonable, but that's not how the law is worded. The judgement of whether a punishment is appropriate or not falls squarely upon the actor (i.e. the parent).

If duke felt the punishment was reasonably appropriate, then he remains within the law and nothing the prosecution can say can change that.

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277. "Reasonableness standard is objective."
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The question will be whether it was reasonable for AP to believe his boy needed to be beaten until he was bloodied and bruised. Can you find case law that says the statute establishes a subjective reasonableness standard?

>The wording of the law dictates that it's up to the actor's
>discretion as to what is considered "reasonable", not the
>state.
>
>"Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child
>is justified to use non-deadly force against a child under 18
>***when and to degree the actor reasonably believes
>necessary***."
>
>The argument you're presenting assumes it it up to the state
>to determine what is reasonable, but that's not how the law is
>worded. The judgement of whether a punishment is appropriate
>or not falls squarely upon the actor (i.e. the parent).

Yes bc reasonableness is usually determined objectively.

>If duke felt the punishment was reasonably appropriate, then
>he remains within the law and nothing the prosecution can say
>can change that.

Naw the jury gets to decide if the belief was reasonable. If the state justified beatings when the parent thinks they're reasonable then all corporal punishment and child abuse would be allowed. A parent could break their child's leg but if they thought it was reasonable then that would not be criminal. A parent could beat their child with a hot iron or a crowbar or a brick bashing the child's head open.... That is not the case. A jury or judge will hear the evidence and decide if the belief was reasonable.

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381. "The prosecution might have a tough time with this..."
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>The question will be whether it was reasonable for AP to
>believe his boy needed to be beaten until he was bloodied and
>bruised. Can you find case law that says the statute
>establishes a subjective reasonableness standard?
>
>>The wording of the law dictates that it's up to the actor's
>>discretion as to what is considered "reasonable", not the
>>state.
>>
>>"Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child
>>is justified to use non-deadly force against a child under
>18
>>***when and to degree the actor reasonably believes
>>necessary***."
>>
>>The argument you're presenting assumes it it up to the state
>>to determine what is reasonable, but that's not how the law
>is
>>worded. The judgement of whether a punishment is appropriate
>>or not falls squarely upon the actor (i.e. the parent).
>
>Yes bc reasonableness is usually determined objectively.
>
>>If duke felt the punishment was reasonably appropriate, then
>>he remains within the law and nothing the prosecution can
>say
>>can change that.
>
>Naw the jury gets to decide if the belief was reasonable. If
>the state justified beatings when the parent thinks they're
>reasonable then all corporal punishment and child abuse would
>be allowed. A parent could break their child's leg but if they
>thought it was reasonable then that would not be criminal. A
>parent could beat their child with a hot iron or a crowbar or
>a brick bashing the child's head open.... That is not the
>case. A jury or judge will hear the evidence and decide if the
>belief was reasonable.
>
>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/14/william-adams-texas-judge_n_2129655.html

^^^ Especially since this is one of their own.

If a judge can get off with video evidence against him, I don't see why this won't get the boot as well.


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387. "They won't."
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It's an open and shut case that probably won't go to trial bc AP will plead guilty to a lesser offense.

Btw - that judge was in another county, his daughter was a teen, and there were no visible injuries left by that beating. Still that judge was removed from the bench for a year after that video surfaced. Which says some reviewing authority likely thought that beating went beyond reasonable discipline. But even if not those facts are so distinguishable from AP's that the case doesn't say much of anything relevant about AP's.

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278. "The Montgomery County DA says AP went beyond "reasonable discipline""
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>The wording of the law dictates that it's up to the actor's
>discretion as to what is considered "reasonable", not the
>state.
>
>"Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child
>is justified to use non-deadly force against a child under 18
>***when and to degree the actor reasonably believes
>necessary***."
>
>The argument you're presenting assumes it it up to the state
>to determine what is reasonable, but that's not how the law is
>worded. The judgement of whether a punishment is appropriate
>or not falls squarely upon the actor (i.e. the parent).
>
>If duke felt the punishment was reasonably appropriate, then
>he remains within the law and nothing the prosecution can say
>can change that.

The point of the trial would be to determine if AP did go beyond "reasonable discipline". If he didn't then he will be found not guilty. He will be guilty if it is found that he did go beyond "reasonable discipline".

(swipe)

http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/13/adrian-peterson-district-attorney-news-conference-arrest-child-abuse/

Adrian Peterson
Tree Branch Whooping FAR EXCEEDS REASONABLE DISCIPLINE
9/13/2014 11:13 AM PDT BY TMZ STAFF

The Montgomery County DA's office just said Adrian Peterson's decision to whip his child with a tree branch exceeded "reasonable discipline" and that is why he has been indicted for felony child abuse.

The DA says parents are allowed to use discipline -- presumably some physical force -- but it has to be in line with reasonable community standards.

The DA said reports that a grand jury had previously rejected the case are false -- the grand jury that indicted Peterson on Friday is the only to ever hear the case.

The DA says the grand jury heard the case for several weeks before making it's decision.

The stakes are high for Peterson ... if he's convicted of the felony he could serve up to two years behind bars.


  

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49. "If there were pictures/videos of the ass whoopings most of us got as"
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kids (boy oh boy I got some ass whippings) and if back when we were kids society's views abt hitting children as a form of disciplining them were 0 tolerance as they are now (for the most part), all of us would've been raised in foster homes...


Because all our parents would be under the jail...

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55. "they should've been under the jail for what they did."
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they deserved it. that shit wasn't right and the fact that any of us survived it doesn't excuse what they did.

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62. "Yeah because locking up all parents who hit their children is the answer"
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>they deserved it. that shit wasn't right and the fact that
>any of us survived it doesn't excuse what they did.
>

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77. "right."
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fuck you.

  

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80. "lol"
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♥♥Church Diva♥♥

  

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81. "if ever there was a legitimate reason to put ppl in jail..."
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child abuse is one of them.
and yes, using weapons on children is child abuse by definition.

it would be assault if it was done to a grown person that is
ostensibly able to defend themselves.

it would be animal abuse if you did it to a puppy.

so... yeah.


>
>>they deserved it. that shit wasn't right and the fact that
>>any of us survived it doesn't excuse what they did.
>>
>

  

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106. "Child abuse vs disciplining is the rub...because there is a slight"
In response to Reply # 81
Fri Sep-12-14 06:52 PM by vee-lover

  

          

distinction between the two...


As I said, most of my friends as well as other family members got some pretty severe ass whoopings growing up

And most of my friends, not all, who got spankings/whippings/beatings feel that "not sparing the rod" is what kept them on the straight and narrow...

Some of my whippings I may have felt were excessive but I never felt abused....because I know my parents loved me because they demonstrated that throughout my life.

A child who is being abused needs to be removed immediately from the abusive environment - but the environment is what ultimately determines if a child needs to be removed from the home and whether the parents should be jailed. If it appears through a thorough investigation that the child comes from what is overall a good home environment then I don't think opting for the most extreme resolution which is jailing all parents who *hit* their kids solves anything...

>child abuse is one of them.
>and yes, using weapons on children is child abuse by
>definition.
>
>it would be assault if it was done to a grown person that is
>ostensibly able to defend themselves.
>
>it would be animal abuse if you did it to a puppy.
>
>so... yeah.
>
>
>>
>>>they deserved it. that shit wasn't right and the fact that
>>>any of us survived it doesn't excuse what they did.
>>>
>>
>

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148. "Slight distinction? No. Just admit you condone child abuse and stop rati..."
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>As I said, most of my friends as well as other family members
>got some pretty severe ass whoopings growing up
>
>And most of my friends, not all, who got
>spankings/whippings/beatings feel that "not sparing the rod"
>is what kept them on the straight and narrow...

Lol. Keep telling yourselves that. You grew up to become a guy who thinks it's ok to beat kids, so no. You didn't turn out ok.

>Some of my whippings I may have felt were excessive but I
>never felt abused....because I know my parents loved me
>because they demonstrated that throughout my life.

Yes, they loved you in between beatings. Such love. Even better, you inherited that same mentality so you can do the same to your children.


>A child who is being abused needs to be removed immediately
>from the abusive environment

You don't believe this, because god forbid parents go to jail for it! Your words.

- but the environment is what
>ultimately determines if a child needs to be removed from the
>home and whether the parents should be jailed.

Yeah. Abuse would constitute such an environment. Everything you're condoning as keeping you on the straight and narrow would qualify. You said yourself, your parents would have went to jail had that shit come out.

>through a thorough investigation that the child comes from
>what is overall a good home environment

So if the parents love their kid enough between beatings, it's all good. Got it.

then I don't think
>opting for the most extreme resolution which is jailing all
>parents who *hit* their kids solves anything...

Meanwhile, you view beatings kids as discipline necessary to keep them on the straight and narrow but condemn disciplining parents for beating. See, how it works is, if parents don't opt for extreme measures with their kids, there's no need to take extreme measures with the parents.


>>>
>>>>they deserved it. that shit wasn't right and the fact
>that
>>>>any of us survived it doesn't excuse what they did.

Yeah, but you just made a bunch of excuses for it.

-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

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211. "Yes, there's a slight distinction between a parent who abuses their"
In response to Reply # 148


  

          

child and a parent who whips/uses corporal punishment to discipline their child(ren)

It's really not that hard to understand...

>Lol. Keep telling yourselves that. You grew up to become a guy
>who thinks it's ok to beat kids, so no. You didn't turn out
>ok.


>
>>Some of my whippings I may have felt were excessive but I
>>never felt abused....because I know my parents loved me
>>because they demonstrated that throughout my life.
>
>Yes, they loved you in between beatings. Such love. Even
>better, you inherited that same mentality so you can do the
>same to your children.

You keep harping on the word beatings but that's typical of you - to take things to the most illogical extreme
>
>>A child who is being abused needs to be removed immediately
>>from the abusive environment
>
>You don't believe this, because god forbid parents go to jail
>for it! Your words.

You really are special...
>
>- but the environment is what
>>ultimately determines if a child needs to be removed from
>the
>>home and whether the parents should be jailed.
>
>Yeah. Abuse would constitute such an environment. Everything
>you're condoning as keeping you on the straight and narrow
>would qualify. You said yourself, your parents would have went
>to jail had that shit come out.

No, not just my parents but nearly every parent, particularly in the blk community, would be imprisoned...
>
>>through a thorough investigation that the child comes from
>>what is overall a good home environment
>
>So if the parents love their kid enough between beatings, it's
>all good. Got it.

Yes, it's possible....we generations of examples to to prove it

>Meanwhile, you view beatings kids as discipline necessary to
>keep them on the straight and narrow but condemn disciplining
>parents for beating.

This is why ppl don't like going back and forth w/you...because you seem to want ARGUE for the sake of arguing. This isn't abt condoning beatings smh


See, how it works is, if parents don't
>opt for extreme measures with their kids, there's no need to
>take extreme measures with the parents.

K
>
>>>>
>>>>>they deserved it. that shit wasn't right and the fact
>>that
>>>>>any of us survived it doesn't excuse what they did.
>
>Yeah, but you just made a bunch of excuses for it.

Because millions of kids have turned out just fine despite getting whippings/spankings

Has nothing to do w/excuses, it's just the facts...

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291. "You don't think you were abused because your parents "loved you". "
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You're too stupid and in denial to reconcile the fact that even though your parents loved you, they fucked up and abused you.

It's sad, really. You sound like a battered wife. That's literally exactly what women in abusive relationships say about why they stay.

Your entire mentality is that of a beaten dog who still has undying love and devotion to his master.

So, no, you didn't turn out just fine. You turned out to be a guy who rationalizes abuse for himself and future children because, hey, your parents beat you and YOU turned out OK (you didn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night, champ.). Talk about a sickness.

Since you're too beat down like a whipped animal to think clearly, I have no interest in conversing with you any further on this subject. Come back when you've had enough to therapy to allow you to come to terms with the abuse your parents much of their generation propagated. We'll discuss this again only after you've accepted that just being "old school" isn't enough to justify abuse.

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349. "No, imbecile, I KNOW my parents loved me - it's something I don't"
In response to Reply # 291


  

          

have to prove to an idiot over the internet

Don't project your fucked up upbringing onto me


>You're too stupid and in denial to reconcile the fact that
>even though your parents loved you, they fucked up and abused
>you.

Yeah that's what it is...glad you help me see clearly
>
>It's sad, really. You sound like a battered wife. That's
>literally exactly what women in abusive relationships say
>about why they stay.

First of all, you imbecile, I rarely got ass whippins anyway but when I did, I knew exactly what it was for...and by a certain age, my dad and mom STOPPED whipping me and opting for punishment
>
>Your entire mentality is that of a beaten dog who still has
>undying love and devotion to his master.

Yeah because my parents beat me ALL the time just because they felt like it...and I didn't realize it. I was like "Penny" from Good Times...
>
>So, no, you didn't turn out just fine. You turned out to be a
>guy who rationalizes abuse for himself and future children
>because, hey, your parents beat you and YOU turned out OK (you
>didn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night, champ.). Talk
>about a sickness.

No, I have sense enough to know that whipping your child doesn't you a bad parent nor does it determine that a child is going to be maladjusted as a result of spankings/whippings...but I realize that you lack the ability to reason, which is why 90% of your online interactions on this board result in arguments...
>
>Since you're too beat down like a whipped animal to think
>clearly, I have no interest in conversing with you any further
>on this subject. Come back when you've had enough to therapy
>to allow you to come to terms with the abuse your parents much
>of their generation propagated. We'll discuss this again only
>after you've accepted that just being "old school" isn't
>enough to justify abuse.

I have no issues w/my childhood whatsoever...can you say the same? But as I said, it's really a waste of time to reply to you because you're not a smart and readonable person, you just like to type a whole bunch of words to try and sound *smart*

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"i say this with no snark... it is possible to abuse someone you love. "


  

          

i am not trying to say you are abused, because i don't know.
and i certainly won't argue your parents didn't love you.

but it is very possible for somebody to love a person,
AND abuse them.

the two things ain't really related,
and the fact that so many ppl think they are
can make ppl hesitant to leave abusive relationships.


>have to prove to an idiot over the internet
>
>Don't project your fucked up upbringing onto me
>
>
>>You're too stupid and in denial to reconcile the fact that
>>even though your parents loved you, they fucked up and
>abused
>>you.
>
>Yeah that's what it is...glad you help me see clearly
>>
>>It's sad, really. You sound like a battered wife. That's
>>literally exactly what women in abusive relationships say
>>about why they stay.
>
>First of all, you imbecile, I rarely got ass whippins anyway
>but when I did, I knew exactly what it was for...and by a
>certain age, my dad and mom STOPPED whipping me and opting for
>punishment
>>
>>Your entire mentality is that of a beaten dog who still has
>>undying love and devotion to his master.
>
>Yeah because my parents beat me ALL the time just because they
>felt like it...and I didn't realize it. I was like "Penny"
>from Good Times...
>>
>>So, no, you didn't turn out just fine. You turned out to be
>a
>>guy who rationalizes abuse for himself and future children
>>because, hey, your parents beat you and YOU turned out OK
>(you
>>didn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night, champ.). Talk
>>about a sickness.
>
>No, I have sense enough to know that whipping your child
>doesn't you a bad parent nor does it determine that a child is
>going to be maladjusted as a result of
>spankings/whippings...but I realize that you lack the ability
>to reason, which is why 90% of your online interactions on
>this board result in arguments...
>>
>>Since you're too beat down like a whipped animal to think
>>clearly, I have no interest in conversing with you any
>further
>>on this subject. Come back when you've had enough to therapy
>>to allow you to come to terms with the abuse your parents
>much
>>of their generation propagated. We'll discuss this again
>only
>>after you've accepted that just being "old school" isn't
>>enough to justify abuse.
>
>I have no issues w/my childhood whatsoever...can you say the
>same? But as I said, it's really a waste of time to reply to
>you because you're not a smart and readonable person, you just
>like to type a whole bunch of words to try and sound *smart*
>
>

  

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354. "No shit - this is why having these sensitive type of conversations on th..."
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Sun Sep-14-14 09:16 AM by vee-lover

  

          

Internet is treading on dangerous ground because ppl immediately jump to the most logical extreme

I wasn't getting ass whippins every other day because dad came home pissed off from the rigors of being a blk man in a world that's hostile to him - my ass whippins were rare and after I got to a certain age, the whippings stopped and he began treating/punishing me like a young man...

Ya'll act like ppl who are saying they condone spankings are delusional and that they're under the "battered woman syndrome." Trust me, I know the difference of being loved and being abused...



>i am not trying to say you are abused, because i don't know.
>
>and i certainly won't argue your parents didn't love you.
>
>but it is very possible for somebody to love a person,
>AND abuse them.
>
>the two things ain't really related,
>and the fact that so many ppl think they are
>can make ppl hesitant to leave abusive relationships.
>
>
>>have to prove to an idiot over the internet
>>
>>Don't project your fucked up upbringing onto me
>>
>>
>>>You're too stupid and in denial to reconcile the fact that
>>>even though your parents loved you, they fucked up and
>>abused
>>>you.
>>
>>Yeah that's what it is...glad you help me see clearly
>>>
>>>It's sad, really. You sound like a battered wife. That's
>>>literally exactly what women in abusive relationships say
>>>about why they stay.
>>
>>First of all, you imbecile, I rarely got ass whippins anyway
>>but when I did, I knew exactly what it was for...and by a
>>certain age, my dad and mom STOPPED whipping me and opting
>for
>>punishment
>>>
>>>Your entire mentality is that of a beaten dog who still has
>>>undying love and devotion to his master.
>>
>>Yeah because my parents beat me ALL the time just because
>they
>>felt like it...and I didn't realize it. I was like "Penny"
>>from Good Times...
>>>
>>>So, no, you didn't turn out just fine. You turned out to be
>>a
>>>guy who rationalizes abuse for himself and future children
>>>because, hey, your parents beat you and YOU turned out OK
>>(you
>>>didn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night, champ.).
>Talk
>>>about a sickness.
>>
>>No, I have sense enough to know that whipping your child
>>doesn't you a bad parent nor does it determine that a child
>is
>>going to be maladjusted as a result of
>>spankings/whippings...but I realize that you lack the
>ability
>>to reason, which is why 90% of your online interactions on
>>this board result in arguments...
>>>
>>>Since you're too beat down like a whipped animal to think
>>>clearly, I have no interest in conversing with you any
>>further
>>>on this subject. Come back when you've had enough to
>therapy
>>>to allow you to come to terms with the abuse your parents
>>much
>>>of their generation propagated. We'll discuss this again
>>only
>>>after you've accepted that just being "old school" isn't
>>>enough to justify abuse.
>>
>>I have no issues w/my childhood whatsoever...can you say the
>>same? But as I said, it's really a waste of time to reply to
>>you because you're not a smart and readonable person, you
>just
>>like to type a whole bunch of words to try and sound *smart*
>>
>>
>

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355. "i'll say it again. "
In response to Reply # 354


  

          

>Trust me, I know the difference of being loved and
>being abused...
>
>


there is not necessarily a DIFFERENCE between being loved
and being abused.

ppl should quit linking the two together as if they are
opposites.





>
>>i am not trying to say you are abused, because i don't know.
>>
>>and i certainly won't argue your parents didn't love you.
>>
>>but it is very possible for somebody to love a person,
>>AND abuse them.
>>
>>the two things ain't really related,
>>and the fact that so many ppl think they are
>>can make ppl hesitant to leave abusive relationships.
>>
>>
>>>have to prove to an idiot over the internet
>>>
>>>Don't project your fucked up upbringing onto me
>>>
>>>
>>>>You're too stupid and in denial to reconcile the fact that
>>>>even though your parents loved you, they fucked up and
>>>abused
>>>>you.
>>>
>>>Yeah that's what it is...glad you help me see clearly
>>>>
>>>>It's sad, really. You sound like a battered wife. That's
>>>>literally exactly what women in abusive relationships say
>>>>about why they stay.
>>>
>>>First of all, you imbecile, I rarely got ass whippins
>anyway
>>>but when I did, I knew exactly what it was for...and by a
>>>certain age, my dad and mom STOPPED whipping me and opting
>>for
>>>punishment
>>>>
>>>>Your entire mentality is that of a beaten dog who still
>has
>>>>undying love and devotion to his master.
>>>
>>>Yeah because my parents beat me ALL the time just because
>>they
>>>felt like it...and I didn't realize it. I was like "Penny"
>>>from Good Times...
>>>>
>>>>So, no, you didn't turn out just fine. You turned out to
>be
>>>a
>>>>guy who rationalizes abuse for himself and future children
>>>>because, hey, your parents beat you and YOU turned out OK
>>>(you
>>>>didn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night, champ.).
>>Talk
>>>>about a sickness.
>>>
>>>No, I have sense enough to know that whipping your child
>>>doesn't you a bad parent nor does it determine that a child
>>is
>>>going to be maladjusted as a result of
>>>spankings/whippings...but I realize that you lack the
>>ability
>>>to reason, which is why 90% of your online interactions on
>>>this board result in arguments...
>>>>
>>>>Since you're too beat down like a whipped animal to think
>>>>clearly, I have no interest in conversing with you any
>>>further
>>>>on this subject. Come back when you've had enough to
>>therapy
>>>>to allow you to come to terms with the abuse your parents
>>>much
>>>>of their generation propagated. We'll discuss this again
>>>only
>>>>after you've accepted that just being "old school" isn't
>>>>enough to justify abuse.
>>>
>>>I have no issues w/my childhood whatsoever...can you say
>the
>>>same? But as I said, it's really a waste of time to reply
>to
>>>you because you're not a smart and readonable person, you
>>just
>>>like to type a whole bunch of words to try and sound
>*smart*
>>>
>>>
>>
>

  

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357. "RE: i'll say it again. "
In response to Reply # 355


  

          

>>Trust me, I know the difference of being loved and
>>being abused...
>>
>>
>
>
>there is not necessarily a DIFFERENCE between being loved
>and being abused.
>
>ppl should quit linking the two together as if they are
>opposites.

Yes, the key words in your reply was "not necessarily a difference," which means there are plenty of instances where you can distinguish the difference

We're not talking absolutes here - we're talking mostly abt generalities in regards to child disciplining...and ppl can and do oftentimes hurt ppl they love but that doesn't apply to me...at all

>>>
>>>and i certainly won't argue your parents didn't love you.
>>>
>>>but it is very possible for somebody to love a person,
>>>AND abuse them.
>>>
>>>the two things ain't really related,
>>>and the fact that so many ppl think they are
>>>can make ppl hesitant to leave abusive relationships.
>>>
>>>
>>>>have to prove to an idiot over the internet
>>>>
>>>>Don't project your fucked up upbringing onto me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You're too stupid and in denial to reconcile the fact
>that
>>>>>even though your parents loved you, they fucked up and
>>>>abused
>>>>>you.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah that's what it is...glad you help me see clearly
>>>>>
>>>>>It's sad, really. You sound like a battered wife. That's
>>>>>literally exactly what women in abusive relationships say
>>>>>about why they stay.
>>>>
>>>>First of all, you imbecile, I rarely got ass whippins
>>anyway
>>>>but when I did, I knew exactly what it was for...and by a
>>>>certain age, my dad and mom STOPPED whipping me and opting
>>>for
>>>>punishment
>>>>>
>>>>>Your entire mentality is that of a beaten dog who still
>>has
>>>>>undying love and devotion to his master.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah because my parents beat me ALL the time just because
>>>they
>>>>felt like it...and I didn't realize it. I was like "Penny"
>>>>from Good Times...
>>>>>
>>>>>So, no, you didn't turn out just fine. You turned out to
>>be
>>>>a
>>>>>guy who rationalizes abuse for himself and future
>children
>>>>>because, hey, your parents beat you and YOU turned out OK
>>>>(you
>>>>>didn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night, champ.).
>>>Talk
>>>>>about a sickness.
>>>>
>>>>No, I have sense enough to know that whipping your child
>>>>doesn't you a bad parent nor does it determine that a
>child
>>>is
>>>>going to be maladjusted as a result of
>>>>spankings/whippings...but I realize that you lack the
>>>ability
>>>>to reason, which is why 90% of your online interactions on
>>>>this board result in arguments...
>>>>>
>>>>>Since you're too beat down like a whipped animal to think
>>>>>clearly, I have no interest in conversing with you any
>>>>further
>>>>>on this subject. Come back when you've had enough to
>>>therapy
>>>>>to allow you to come to terms with the abuse your parents
>>>>much
>>>>>of their generation propagated. We'll discuss this again
>>>>only
>>>>>after you've accepted that just being "old school" isn't
>>>>>enough to justify abuse.
>>>>
>>>>I have no issues w/my childhood whatsoever...can you say
>>the
>>>>same? But as I said, it's really a waste of time to reply
>>to
>>>>you because you're not a smart and readonable person, you
>>>just
>>>>like to type a whole bunch of words to try and sound
>>*smart*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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362. "they need not be distinguished from each other. "
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my parents loved me.
they also abused me.

i don't DISTINGUISH those two concepts.
they have nothing to do with each other.

this is my point.



>Yes, the key words in your reply was "not necessarily a
>difference," which means there are plenty of instances where
>you can distinguish the difference
>
>We're not talking absolutes here - we're talking mostly abt
>generalities in regards to child disciplining...and ppl can
>and do oftentimes hurt ppl they love but that doesn't apply to
>me...at all
>
>>>>
>>>>and i certainly won't argue your parents didn't love you.
>>>>
>>>>but it is very possible for somebody to love a person,
>>>>AND abuse them.
>>>>
>>>>the two things ain't really related,
>>>>and the fact that so many ppl think they are
>>>>can make ppl hesitant to leave abusive relationships.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>have to prove to an idiot over the internet
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't project your fucked up upbringing onto me
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You're too stupid and in denial to reconcile the fact
>>that
>>>>>>even though your parents loved you, they fucked up and
>>>>>abused
>>>>>>you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah that's what it is...glad you help me see clearly
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's sad, really. You sound like a battered wife. That's
>>>>>>literally exactly what women in abusive relationships
>say
>>>>>>about why they stay.
>>>>>
>>>>>First of all, you imbecile, I rarely got ass whippins
>>>anyway
>>>>>but when I did, I knew exactly what it was for...and by a
>>>>>certain age, my dad and mom STOPPED whipping me and
>opting
>>>>for
>>>>>punishment
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Your entire mentality is that of a beaten dog who still
>>>has
>>>>>>undying love and devotion to his master.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yeah because my parents beat me ALL the time just because
>>>>they
>>>>>felt like it...and I didn't realize it. I was like
>"Penny"
>>>>>from Good Times...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, no, you didn't turn out just fine. You turned out to
>>>be
>>>>>a
>>>>>>guy who rationalizes abuse for himself and future
>>children
>>>>>>because, hey, your parents beat you and YOU turned out
>OK
>>>>>(you
>>>>>>didn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night, champ.).
>>>>Talk
>>>>>>about a sickness.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, I have sense enough to know that whipping your child
>>>>>doesn't you a bad parent nor does it determine that a
>>child
>>>>is
>>>>>going to be maladjusted as a result of
>>>>>spankings/whippings...but I realize that you lack the
>>>>ability
>>>>>to reason, which is why 90% of your online interactions
>on
>>>>>this board result in arguments...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Since you're too beat down like a whipped animal to
>think
>>>>>>clearly, I have no interest in conversing with you any
>>>>>further
>>>>>>on this subject. Come back when you've had enough to
>>>>therapy
>>>>>>to allow you to come to terms with the abuse your
>parents
>>>>>much
>>>>>>of their generation propagated. We'll discuss this again
>>>>>only
>>>>>>after you've accepted that just being "old school" isn't
>>>>>>enough to justify abuse.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have no issues w/my childhood whatsoever...can you say
>>>the
>>>>>same? But as I said, it's really a waste of time to reply
>>>to
>>>>>you because you're not a smart and readonable person, you
>>>>just
>>>>>like to type a whole bunch of words to try and sound
>>>*smart*
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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352. "i say this with no snark... it is possible to abuse someone you love. "
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i am not trying to say you are abused, because i don't know.
and i certainly won't argue your parents didn't love you.

but it is very possible for somebody to love a person,
AND abuse them.

the two things ain't really related,
and the fact that so many ppl think they are
can make ppl hesitant to leave abusive relationships.


>have to prove to an idiot over the internet
>
>Don't project your fucked up upbringing onto me
>
>
>>You're too stupid and in denial to reconcile the fact that
>>even though your parents loved you, they fucked up and
>abused
>>you.
>
>Yeah that's what it is...glad you help me see clearly
>>
>>It's sad, really. You sound like a battered wife. That's
>>literally exactly what women in abusive relationships say
>>about why they stay.
>
>First of all, you imbecile, I rarely got ass whippins anyway
>but when I did, I knew exactly what it was for...and by a
>certain age, my dad and mom STOPPED whipping me and opting for
>punishment
>>
>>Your entire mentality is that of a beaten dog who still has
>>undying love and devotion to his master.
>
>Yeah because my parents beat me ALL the time just because they
>felt like it...and I didn't realize it. I was like "Penny"
>from Good Times...
>>
>>So, no, you didn't turn out just fine. You turned out to be
>a
>>guy who rationalizes abuse for himself and future children
>>because, hey, your parents beat you and YOU turned out OK
>(you
>>didn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night, champ.). Talk
>>about a sickness.
>
>No, I have sense enough to know that whipping your child
>doesn't you a bad parent nor does it determine that a child is
>going to be maladjusted as a result of
>spankings/whippings...but I realize that you lack the ability
>to reason, which is why 90% of your online interactions on
>this board result in arguments...
>>
>>Since you're too beat down like a whipped animal to think
>>clearly, I have no interest in conversing with you any
>further
>>on this subject. Come back when you've had enough to therapy
>>to allow you to come to terms with the abuse your parents
>much
>>of their generation propagated. We'll discuss this again
>only
>>after you've accepted that just being "old school" isn't
>>enough to justify abuse.
>
>I have no issues w/my childhood whatsoever...can you say the
>same? But as I said, it's really a waste of time to reply to
>you because you're not a smart and readonable person, you just
>like to type a whole bunch of words to try and sound *smart*
>
>

  

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361. "lol. Idiot. Can you read? Honest question. "
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>have to prove to an idiot over the internet

No, no, no. Have a seat, genius. I said you don't think you were abuse because you were loved. You were loved, thus you can't bring yourself to admit that you were abused.

Before you get all high and mighty about the assertion that you were abused, those are your words.

"If there were pictures/videos of the ass whoopings most of us got as kids (boy oh boy I got some ass whippings) and if back when we were kids society's views abt hitting children as a form of disciplining them were 0 tolerance as they are now (for the most part), all of us would've been raised in foster homes...

Because all our parents would be under the jail..."

You, Vee Lover, said this. If they took pictures of the whoopings you got, your parents would be under the jail.

Well, that denotes a pretty serious beating. Sorry.

Further, you keep iterating that you rarely got beat, you weren't beat all the time, blah blah blah blah blah. You might as well be yelling at traffic because you're defending yourself from shit I never even said. Most of the shit you're in here going crazy over was never even said. Thanks for playing, dummy. Learn to read before you start calling people imbeciles.

One beating bad enough to put a parent under the jail=abuse. Abused once, twice, thrice, a thousand times, abuse is abuse. You're struggling to come to terms with the fact that mom and dad, though they loved you, went off the rails in that particular department. You admit that when they did whoop you, it was bad enough to put them out of commission if the law got word. You're almost there, just...accept that mummsy and pop pop went overboard a time or two.

>Don't project your fucked up upbringing onto me

I'm not projecting anything. In fact, as I've already broken all the way the fuck down, I responded to your very own words. How many times are you going to be proven 100% wrong before you figure it out?


>First of all, you imbecile, I rarely got ass whippins anyway

And? What does the frequency have to do with anything? I certainly never brought that up. You still got that battered wife syndrome, making all the excuses you possibly can to justify the actions of your parents. First you say they'd get locked up if there were pictures and video of their actions, now all of sudden it wasn't so bad.

>but when I did, I knew exactly what it was for...and by a
>certain age, my dad and mom STOPPED whipping me and opting for
>punishment

Cool. So at some point you got whooped bad enough to put them under the jail, and then stopped. The fact that they stopped doesn't mean that it never happened, nor does it make what happened before it stopped acceptable. Try and keep up here.


>Yeah because my parents beat me ALL the time just because they
>felt like it...and I didn't realize it. I was like "Penny"
>from Good Times...

Yeah, because I said ALL THE TIME. Totally said that. Totally implied that. It's literally nowhere in my words, but knock yourself out champ.

>No, I have sense enough to know that whipping your child
>doesn't you a bad parent nor does it determine that a child is
>going to be maladjusted as a result of

....and I'm not saying any of that either. You're not replying to anything that I've said. Are you sure you're responding to the right guy?

>spankings/whippings...but I realize that you lack the ability
>to reason, which is why 90% of your online interactions on
>this board result in arguments...

Look who's talking! You stay in these back & forth discussions! Miss me with that shit. I always use reason, and guys like you who can't keep up are the ones who cry and bitch about it. I've consistently proven you wrong in your own words, while you keep responding to shit I haven't even written.

>I have no issues w/my childhood whatsoever...can you say the
>same? But as I said, it's really a waste of time to reply to
>you because you're not a smart and readonable person, you just
>like to type a whole bunch of words to try and sound *smart*

Oh, you've got issues. First you say your parents used to whoop you bad enough to put them under the jail, then you spend 10 posts defending it.

Literally the only assertions to you here are as follows:

-if they beat you bad enough to put them in jail- or under- then yes, that shit was abuse.

-Your parents loving you is immaterial to determining whether or not their actions constituted abuse. I have not questioned your parents love for you, though you defended that imaginary statement rather fiercely.

There's so much nuance and detail that you simply can't grasp, and yet your flailing and screaming about jumping to logical extremes while I've used nothing but your own plainly stated words.

Good god are you dumb.

-Sig-

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377. "Not the nonsense you type"
In response to Reply # 361


  

          

>No, no, no. Have a seat, genius. I said you don't think you
>were abuse because you were loved. You were loved, thus you
>can't bring yourself to admit that you were abused.

Look at the *two words* you put in quotations in the title post of #291....those quotations emphasize or imply that you're disagreeing or questioning the fact I said I was loved by my parents - but you probably didn't realize what they're used for in grammar...

>Before you get all high and mighty about the assertion that
>you were abused, those are your words.
>
>"If there were pictures/videos of the ass whoopings most of us
>got as kids (boy oh boy I got some ass whippings) and if back
>when we were kids society's views abt hitting children as a
>form of disciplining them were 0 tolerance as they are now
>(for the most part), all of us would've been raised in foster
>homes...
>
>Because all our parents would be under the jail..."
>
>You, Vee Lover, said this. If they took pictures of the
>whoopings you got, your parents would be under the jail.
>
>Well, that denotes a pretty serious beating. Sorry.

NO IT DOESN'T...see, this what I'm saying abt you...but then you ask me can I read...well I want to know can you comprehend that which you read????? I said I got ass whippins, NOT BEATINGS...I brought up the cameras/videos to illustrate more so abt how society's sensibilities have changed vis-a-vis corporal punishment...and just the mere fact of seeing someone discipline their child(ren) w/a camera on them will magnify the situation and make it seem worse than it actually is...because now society is casting judgment on that parent and how they raise/discipline their child...


>
>One beating bad enough to put a parent under the jail=abuse.

Yeah, if its a beating we're talking abt - never did my parents beat me and in a court of law they wouldn't gone to jail because the use of physical discipline was *readonable*...it wasn't abusive...but somehow this is difficult for you to grasp

>Abused once, twice, thrice, a thousand times, abuse is abuse.
>You're struggling to come to terms with the fact that mom and
>dad, though they loved you, went off the rails in that
>particular department. You admit that when they did whoop you,
>it was bad enough to put them out of commission if the law got
>word. You're almost there, just...accept that mummsy and pop
>pop went overboard a time or two.

Do you even realize reasonable corporal punishment is allowed in this country?????
>
>>Don't project your fucked up upbringing onto me
>
>I'm not projecting anything. In fact, as I've already broken
>all the way the fuck down, I responded to your very own words.
>How many times are you going to be proven 100% wrong before
>you figure it out?

K
>
>>First of all, you imbecile, I rarely got ass whippins anyway
>
>And? What does the frequency have to do with anything?

Uh because that is what technically constitutes abuse - violent behavior that is repeatedly committed against someone...


>Cool. So at some point you got whooped bad enough to put them
>under the jail, and then stopped. The fact that they stopped
>doesn't mean that it never happened, nor does it make what
>happened before it stopped acceptable. Try and keep up here.

Wtf are you even talking? Quit trying to sound smart and go actually read a book or two...

>Look who's talking! You stay in these back & forth
>discussions! Miss me with that shit.

I NEVER go at anyone...until they, like yo dumb ass, come at me sideways. You, on the other hand, starts shit w/ppl who weren't responding to you but you chime in anyway w/insults and just straight up vitriol - this ain't no secret, this is your online rep. Look at how you replied to me right off the gate "you're too stupid..."that's the kinda ish gets mofos smacked in the teeth in a face-to-face conversation but it's cool (for ppl like you) on a messageboard...

I always use reason, and
>guys like you who can't keep up are the ones who cry and bitch
>about it.

It frightens me to think you might actually believe that -


I've consistently proven you wrong in your own
>words, while you keep responding to shit I haven't even
>written.

Yeah you sure did - too bad I missed it

>Oh, you've got issues. First you say your parents used to
>whoop you bad enough to put them under the jail, then you
>spend 10 posts defending it.

Smh
>Literally the only assertions to you here are as follows:
>
>-if they beat you bad enough to put them in jail- or under-
>then yes, that shit was abuse.
>
>-Your parents loving you is immaterial to determining whether
>or not their actions constituted abuse. I have not questioned
>your parents love for you,

Yes you did - go read how you started post # 291

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292. "You don't think you were abused because your parents "loved you&quo..."
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Sat Sep-13-14 07:10 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

You're too stupid and in denial to reconcile the fact that even though your parents loved you, they fucked up and abused you.

It's sad, really. You sound like a battered wife. That's literally exactly what women in abusive relationships say about why they stay.

Your entire mentality is that of a beaten dog who still has undying love and devotion to his master.

So, no, you didn't turn out just fine. You turned out to be a guy who rationalizes abuse for himself and future children because, hey, your parents beat you and YOU turned out OK (you didn't, but whatever helps you sleep at night, champ.). Talk about a sickness.

Since you're too beat down like a whipped animal to think clearly, I have no interest in conversing with you any further on this subject. Come back when you've had enough to therapy to allow you to come to terms with the abuse your parents and much of their generation propagated. We'll discuss this again only after you've accepted that just being "old school" isn't enough to justify abuse.

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170. "this is s point where not knowing the law makes you look silly"
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>child abuse is one of them.
>and yes, using weapons on children is child abuse by
>definition.
>
>it would be assault if it was done to a grown person that is
>ostensibly able to defend themselves.
>
>it would be animal abuse if you did it to a puppy.
>
>so... yeah.

In all 50 states it is legal to use a hand, belt, or switch for corporal punishment so long as the parent or guardian does so in a manner to correct the behavior of a child.

Don't believe me? Check the statutes in every state. I was once told this by a friend and didn't believe it either (especially considering the number of times I've seen CPS take kids for less than an ass whoopin) but I actually took the time and looked up the child abuse statutes in all 50 states and, lo and behold, dude was 100% right. Its perfectly legal.




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178. "thanks!"
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i wasn't talking about court cases though.
if you saw me taking a switch to a puppy, you'd think i was abusing the puppy.
if you saw me take a switch to my girlfriend, you'd say i was abusing her.

but if you saw me take a switch to my child,
you'd cosign me as long as i did it out of love, or something.

i dunno.


anyway, i was using the words used colloquially.
it wasn't a law review article.

  

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185. "generally what AP admitted to doing is illegal."
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corporal punishment is usually only legal as long as it's REASONABLE. in most states beating a 4 yr old w/a tree branch until he bleeds from multiple wounds and suffers bruising is prohibited.

and in the only state at issue in the AP case, Texas, a grand jury has determined that there is reason to believe a crime was committed against AP's little boy and that AP is the one who committed the crime. the grand jury has given the prosecutors the green light to proceed w/a criminal prosecution against AP for beating his child w/a switch. despite the legality of corporal punishment in Texas. despite the fact that AP was hit the same way growing up. despite the fact that some of our parents beat us this badly or worse.

go look that shit up.

fuck you.

  

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217. "this reply will make you look like a real dipshit if (when) he is indict..."
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236. "nah b, I already posted them laws up but..."
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... considering that, in this country, we've seen a case where a child is murdered and the murderer got off with probation instead of the mandatory jail time, anything is possible.

I'll post it again in case you missed it...

Texas laws regarding corporal punishment:

Abuse does not include reasonable discipline by a parent/guardian/managing or possessory conservator if child not exposed to substantial risk of harm. Family Code § 261.001.

Parent/stepparent/person standing in loco parentis to child is justified to use non-deadly force against a child under 18 when and to degree the actor reasonably believes necessary to discipline, or safeguard or promote child's welfare. Penal § 9.61.

A decent defense lawyer can take this and bring enough people to the stand that have gone through the same type of punishment as a child and ask if they would like to press charges on their parents for the same "offense" just to make a point: we only care about this because dude is a black football star. Jenni Ann and Cletus from the trailer park ain't in court for the same shit they just did in front of witnesses at Walmart the other day.

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282. "I saw it, good luck with that in front of a jury"
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245. "he'd been indicted before i made this post."
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fuck you.

  

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285. "meant convicted"
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295. "gotcha. i expect he will plead guilty to a lesser offense"
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as part of a deal w/the state. i doubt there'll be any jail time - but i expect some probation w/a parenting class and possibly anger management treatment.

i doubt he'll push the case to trial b/c the evidence against him is too convincing and the risk is too great - he's facing 2 yrs in prison and a felony conviction. since he has no priors the prosecutors may offer him probation on a misdemeanor charge. but i dunno if that's how they get down in the jurisdiction at issue here. i'd expect that kind of resolution where i practice.

fuck you.

  

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108. "I guess I got off pretty light"
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No switches were used in our house. My dad made us go out and pick a switch once but he never used it... Another time, he brought home a big, thick piece of bamboo and had it sitting in the living room like Excalibur. Again, never used.

My spankings consisted of my mom swatting my open palm with her slippers. Three or 4 slaps would get the water works going... 10 and I could've sworn I was Kunta! But really, my hand would be stinging for 20-30 mins, at worst, and then I'd be fine. No bruises, cuts or welts.

I eventually realized she wasn't REALLy trying to hurt me so I'd just sit there and take it with the ice grill. That's when pops got involved and got creative... But at that point, I could be reasoned with... Before then, a little pain or fear of a little pain was an effective way of keeping my brothers and I in line.

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141. "can't argue with this one..."
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193. "really? you were whipped on your dick w/ a switch?"
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cats are reaching equating their harmless spankings
to this child's laceration-laden abuse.

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194. "I wasn't responding to or defending what AP did, I was responding to"
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those who say any and every parent who hits/whips their kid(s) should be put in jail...



>cats are reaching equating their harmless spankings
>to this child's laceration-laden abuse.

Many kids who grew up in the 70s and before got more than "harmless spanking" by today's standards...and most that I know personally turned out just fine but I do understand that a different approach for disciplining your child today is required...
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223. "RE: I wasn't responding to or defending what AP did, I was responding to"
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>those who say any and every parent who hits/whips their
>kid(s) should be put in jail...

yea that's certainly extreme - but to me there is a difference
between hard discipline 'spankings' and absolute ass-whoopings
like this one.

>Many kids who grew up in the 70s and before got more than
>"harmless spanking" by today's standards...and most that I
>know personally turned out just fine but I do understand that
>a different approach for disciplining your child today is
>required...

I don't find that argument to be persuasive -- that's sort of similar
to the old patriarch that says 'we used to beat our women in the 60's and police would never respond - now every time you put your hands on a woman it's a criminal offense!'

not all traditions are worth upholding.

Just because parents in the 70s beat their kids doesn't mean parents in 2014 should, too.



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233. "RE: I wasn't responding to or defending what AP did, I was responding to"
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Sat Sep-13-14 01:06 PM by vee-lover

  

          

>>those who say any and every parent who hits/whips their
>>kid(s) should be put in jail...
>
>yea that's certainly extreme - but to me there is a
>difference
>between hard discipline 'spankings' and absolute
>ass-whoopings
>like this one.

There really is and that's all I'm saying
>
>>Many kids who grew up in the 70s and before got more than
>>"harmless spanking" by today's standards...and most that I
>>know personally turned out just fine but I do understand
>that
>>a different approach for disciplining your child today is
>>required...
>
>I don't find that argument to be persuasive

But it's the truth though, Vex - ass whippings didn't ruin the lives of most ppl I know who got them...

>-- that's sort of
>similar
>to the old patriarch that says 'we used to beat our women in
>the 60's and police would never respond - now every time you
>put your hands on a woman it's a criminal offense!'

Actually a better or closer similarity are the generations of (blk) ppl who were raised on greasy, fried food or what we like to call "soul food" - although unhealthy, it enabled their survival and they made the most out of that bad diet - but we can no longer continue feeding this to our children today...which is what I said to you above abt different parenting techniques for disciplining your child(ren) are required today...

>not all traditions are worth upholding.

True indeed especially when it comes to abusing a child but that doesn't mean I'm completely against spanking either

Have you ever read any of Margaret Mead's work? If not, she was perhaps the most preeminent cultural athropologist during her time...and she wrote abt how there's not a singular approach to disciplining your children - she pointed out how a single mother, for example, in Chicago or Brooklyn raising two boys by herself shouldn't be expected to raise/discipline her boys in the same manner a single mother raising her two sons in Iowa or Idaho...

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51. "I agree he used excessive force"
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U should never make the child bleed.

I've been beaten with a switch and I didn't bleed.

Other than that I don't know what happened so I can't judge.


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65. "outta the league--"
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and in jail

Ray gotta go, this nigga gotta go too

  

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68. "Louie CK on hitting kids"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5mlRkHOtkM#t=0m56s

  

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79. "LOL. 100% agreement."
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fuck you.

  

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189. "that is a GREAT video"
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247. "that was awesome"
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70. "great week for the nfl"
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Goodell, Rice, Hardy, and Peterson. Wow.



Edit: Adrian's tweet?

https://mobile.twitter.com/AdrianPeterson/media/grid?idx=0&tid=510511290289111040

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72. "dont forget Jerry Jones"
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84. "Yeah I forgot about that "
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From what I heard that one sounds like bullshit though.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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82. "Excessive imo."
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but would still like to know the facts.

fine and lengthy suspension after the court ruling tho.

court and league mandated parenting classes for 6mos...w/ additional follow up classes once a yr for the remainder of this time w/ the current franchise.

he's got a bunch of kids so it'll definitely benefit him in the long run.

"A nation or civilization that continues to produce soft-minded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan" (c) Martin Luther King Jr.

  

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166. "gotta hear both sides, maybe the kid wanted "fuck-ing pie!!!!" right?"
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86. "these four year olds can be bad as shit! hell yeah they need beatings!"
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Sit your ass down and shut your ass UP little boy or I will yank a hole in your ass

Let em know.

You on your soapbox so imma let you preach tho.


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90. "but see..."
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and i am not trying to be contrary here...
this mentality does not help us to raise black kids that will
be as militant and down for the cause as your other posts
indicate you want ppl to be.


if your first interactions with authority get nothing but
beat downs that your brain can't even process...
you will be less likely to stand up for your rights.

that sit down and shut up mentality makes you less likely
to ask for a raise, less likely to not consent to a police search,
less likely to go to fergeson and march.

that's not just me pulling stuff out my ass.
research indicates that kids that get beaten develop a propensity to be docile,
and that effects the trajectory of their life for a long time.


  

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93. "guarantee all of our black leaders past n present got the switch"
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and iv read that docile bullshyt before

never was the case with me

or those I know of

I think that's more of a personality trait developed by peer interactions and family dynamics









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99. "i'm not particularly docile myself. "
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or, i'm not docile anymore.
there are always exceptions.

but the data shows that if you molly whop children for
discipline instead of negotiating with them,
you kid will have worse social skills, worse school performance,
more difficulty developing trusting human relationships later on in life,
and generally just suck more than kids that aren't beaten.

i am probably an exception-- in that was handed a
heap of shit and made a diamond out of it.

that doesn't make it the best practice, though.



>and iv read that docile bullshyt before
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>never was the case with me
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>or those I know of
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>I think that's more of a personality trait developed by peer
>interactions and family dynamics
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103. "nobody is saying beat the kid into a coma. AP went overboard"
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he broke skin OBVIOUSLY thats overboard

but...theres got to be a nuclear option. they are like terrorists all they understand is violence when its nut cuttin time


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116. "There's data out that shows being gay is genetic"
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There's also studies that show it is a choice

point is alot of these studies is flawed and don't take into account other social n domestic factors

but depending on ur agenda and argument u can find a study to back it up




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169. "sooo ... let relativism reign?"
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100. "BS. children are wild animals. literally."
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them little ones? do you really think you can explain shit to a 4 yr old?

4 yr old: I WANT THAT.
you: you cant have it.
her: why not?
you: because _______
her: but i still want it!
you: no.
her: YES!! *temper tantrum*

^^^^^rinse repeat that shit 80x a day.

after awhile you just skip the dumb shit & tap that ass after the first 3-4 no's. why? because gatdamnit you got dishes to wash & food to cook & dont have time to be listening to a bunch of bullshit from somebody who cant even wipe their ass right

when they get to be older? ok, NOW we can sit down & discuss shit. (to a degree)

but lil ones? naw. do what your told & sit your ass down somewhere


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104. "amen"
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I know I can say my son's name in a tone that will scare the movement out of him and freeze him in his tracks. Which is important if he is about to something that would hurt him like fall down stairs or touch a hot stove. I don't scream at him like that often but I'm glad he does fear that tone and will stop whatever he is doing.

especially since he doesn't know what is about to do would hurt him.


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110. "my dad had a tone like that. "
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i was afraid of him for years.
i stopped being afraid once i learned how to fight,
and once i developed the confidence to fight back
he never laid a hand on me again.

yet even after that,
even after i forgave him for the beatings,
we still aren't as close as he would like us to be.

and it's not even a matter of me trying to get even with him
for whatever. i honestly don't know how to talk to the guy.

i wouldn't want mr kids to ever be that afraid of me that way.
so i wouldn't even use that tone he did with me.

  

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105. "i get that kids are worrisome. "
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i still don't think they should be beaten.
and if my kids are anything like me, they'd
be reluctant to have discussions with me when they're older
if i pur the fear of god in them while they are young.

plus the research doesn't support the notion
that whooping kids is the best practice.

and besides all of that, the way ppl talk about spanking kids
is eerily similar to the way white ppl talked about disciplining slaves.

so, no.

just no.




>them little ones? do you really think you can explain shit to
>a 4 yr old?
>
>4 yr old: I WANT THAT.
>you: you cant have it.
>her: why not?
>you: because _______
>her: but i still want it!
>you: no.
>her: YES!! *temper tantrum*
>
>^^^^^rinse repeat that shit 80x a day.
>
>after awhile you just skip the dumb shit & tap that ass after
>the first 3-4 no's. why? because gatdamnit you got dishes to
>wash & food to cook & dont have time to be listening to a
>bunch of bullshit from somebody who cant even wipe their ass
>right
>
>when they get to be older? ok, NOW we can sit down & discuss
>shit. (to a degree)
>
>but lil ones? naw. do what your told & sit your ass down
>somewhere
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>does it really matter?
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111. "dude, this is where you science types get it fucked up."
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i dont care if jesus, dr bork & MLK all produced studies saying that spanking your kids is pointless.

im TELLING you. the shit works. no doubt abt it.

i know for a fact it works as its working as we speak on mine.

again im not saying it should be the 1st resort.

obviously you want your child to understand what your saying & if you can do it w/o forcing em to? WONDERFUL!

but if you have nothing to make that kid do what you said there WILL come a time where s/he will wanna test you & see...& if you aint gonna do shit but...what exactly?

lemme guess...put em on punishment.

they will eat that & smile. oh no. you violate? you getting your ass whipped. right there. clears the bullshit right on up

oh well. & LOL @ them not wanting to discuss something w/ me when they get older i will try REALLY hard to hold my tears in. please teenager, please regal;e me w/ all the shit you think is wrong in your life as i TRULY give a fuck. miss me w/ all that dude. teenager aint supposed to talk to their parents. you make mistakes you learn. just like everyone else. PLEASE dont throw me in that 'i aint talking to daddy' briar patch, sir. i really would rather listen to you whine abt why you & your friends aint friends right now for the 15x this year rather then play madden


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123. "smh"
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152. "Funny, you were such a bad person for telling your bully he had no frien..."
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These are people who shit on you for not feeling bad for the suicide of your tormenter but think 4 year olds need to be beaten like animals.

Don't waste your words fam.

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197. "you are really taking your piece-of-shitness to new heights in here"
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249. "worst thing about Bin, is he's an idiot who thinks he's"
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HIGHLY intelligent

  

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298. "2 concrete facts abt me, hoe: I'm brilliant and drop dead handsome"
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Meanwhile, you? Lol


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202. "you'll teach your little girl, people who love you sometimes hit you"
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:(

continue if you can deal with that...

  

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203. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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210. "People just don't get how long of a shadow abuse casts"
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Often even people that were abused don't get it, because it's integrated so seamlessly into them that they think it's normal. Even people who stand up to abuse and avoid it as a result are traumatized by it.

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246. "^^^^^^^^^scream it from the mountain tops. "
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it took my sister one year to realize the guy she was with
was just like my dad.

it takes other women longer than that to reach tht conclusion.

and some never do.

it's really not a game.

  

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248. "i see that in my cousins and friends."
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hell, one of my besties said recently he doesn't believe a man loves him unless the man gets in his face sometimes.

and didn't we just have a post the other day where dudes traded advice about handling women who seem to want to provoke them into domestic violence? if those women are doing that, i wonder if they're acting out what was done to them by their fathers as kids.

fuck you.

  

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269. "yal nyggas and this flawed ass logic yal keep pulling out"
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maybe if bin was abusing his spouse in front of her than maybe u could say she will grow up to think that's a normal relationship

but yal be reaching with that

and it gets brought up in every one of these post

do u look at the men u date as father figures?


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270. "Bro. just stop trying to talk real world language. "
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People ain't trying to hear truth and logic.


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341. "lol, right, because our relationships with our parents ..."
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have *no* effect on the expectation we form of their respective gender. oh no, none. totally undocumented correlation there.

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297. "People who love you do sometimes hurt you. Welcome to reality."
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As you well know, seeing as how you haven't had a man since tupac was alive precisely because someone who loved you...hurt you.

God is a practical joker and mankind contains multitudes. My kid will live, as did you. Hop off my dick now


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343. "intentionally? with physical violence?"
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has never happened to me; i have never done it to someone else. miracle? not really. pretty common.

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120. "I'm 42 and I STILL have the mark on my arm from where my dad "
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broke my skin spanking me when I was 7

and I still contend that my dad is the best dad evArrrrr

I think a lot of us old schoolers had parents who would catch a case If they used their same parenting techniques from 1977 in 2014

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149. "Question: would you find that an acceptable punishment for your own chil..."
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I'm not asking to snark or bait you, for what it's worth.

Plenty of parents have that moment where they go overboard, regret the shit out of it, and are otherwise good parents. He might well be a great father.

I'm just curious to know if you condemn that particular incident and whether you would find it an acceptable punishment for a child of your own.

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121. "dont know what this story is "
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but whooping a 4yr old? i agree.
unacceptable.

but i do go back and forth on this
i think usually goes hand in hand with a lot of verbal abuse
i've been through that. hours of being berated about how you aint shit and at
some point you start to think, you know what? just whoop my ass so we can get over this shit
but then again, we are already talking about a context of abuse
which no one deserves to be in, so its moot to even make preferences in this scenario

i used to work with kids with issues (well, their parents were crack addicts) - for about 4 years
one thing i learnt? there's almost lways more creative ways to deal with indiscipline than resporting to threats (and the classic time out)
and as adults we do have the capacity to think of these different ways
instead we choose the easier way out
if we beat them, they shut the fuck up and problem solved for now.
if i have kids i hope i never resort to either the physical and more importantly, the verbal

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http://perspectivesudans.blogspot.com/
i myself would never want to be god,or even like god.Because god got all these human beings on this planet and i most certainly would not want to be responsible for them, or even have the disgrace that i made them.

  

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125. "lol he never intended to harm his son "
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foh with that lawyer statement


hope this ruins his entire career

  

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127. "Smh this NFL shit might be over soon. Too many of these dudes have brain..."
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damage. I mean I used to get beatings as a kid too, but nothing like THAT.

  

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156. "underrated reply."
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This shit might be a wrap soon.

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212. "LOL, yeah, multi billion dollar industries fold over shit like this. SMH"
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They have managed to keep the brain injury thing under wraps (and the steroid thing, model policy, my ass!!!) COMPLETELY for decades. You don't think they can deal with this cat once it's out of the bag? While it's signing this damn many checks? I mean, boxing is still around, isn't it? Short of outright gladiators, we will tolerate the shit for a long, long time.

We don't know what role if any the brain stuff is playing here. I don't know how that suit with Belcher's family is going, have they proven any connection there? Junior Seau did have not have the condition everyone thought he did. If there is no smoking gun, nothing will happen.

The only thing I see happening is youth participation taking a hit, the NFL overcompensating to change its image, and likely a change of commissioner. I don't think either of these guys will be gone from the league for good, or even for the whole season. Maybe Rice will be, and even then that will be because of the missteps of the powers that be. Had the league given him eight weeks and the Ravens released him initially, there would have been no further story at all. Peterson will play again this season, I bet.

It's funny because there have been 100+ domestic violence and gun charges in the past ten years. We've had Rae Carruth and Jovan Belcher. And now suddenly "it's a wrap?" People are so knee-jerk about this kind of stuff. Follow the money and put things in historical perspective.

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130. "I wish more parents would whoop their kids..."
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...

You can't spank your children now without catching a case? He went and got dat switch on that young nigga.

POST JACK: What type of switches did your parents use? Who remembers the xtension cord?

Y'all individuals talking about reprehensible can HAVE A FRAUPPACINO AND FALL BACK. That's his seed so let him discipline him how sees fit.

  

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131. "Even if I did think beating a 4 your old with a switch was okay"
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which I absolutely don't btw, there is nothing I can think of that a 4 year old can do that would even facilitate a beating that would leave marks like that. Unless that child joined al qaeda, why would you make a child bleed as punishment?

This seems like some part time daddy shit. Dude not around, then pops up and doesn't know how to handle the kid but expects "respect" at a level that the kid is not developmentally capable of and he hasn't earned.
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139. "Yah....I've seen that dynamic."
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The Disneyworld dad or whatever. He's insecure about his role in the kid's life so he overcompensates everything....including discipline. It's a shortcut in establishing a parental relationship and it's got more to do with the insecurity of the parent than it does the child's best interest.

I've never hit my daughter....but I'm not sure it's completely black and white to me. Suppose she was sent home from school after being caught humiliating a mentally handicapped kid or something like that? I don't know.....I think I'd at least consider a spanking. Not sure if I'd actually do it though. I'm grateful that it's never been a consideration for me though. I got lucky....my daughter is well-behaved.

  

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168. "Well we already know Peterson is a father of the year candidate"
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When he can't beat the children personally, he farms out the work to some low-life:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/vikings/2013/10/11/adrian-peterson-son-critical-condition/2966015/

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CherNic
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179. "grow up"
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195. "Oh, sorry, you don't find that relevant?"
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You lose a son (however disconnected from you he may have been) to abuse and still beat kids? Fucking pitiful.

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132. "is this the same guy who's kid was killed last year due to abuse?"
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134. "Yea but that was the kid's mom's bf who killed him"
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Although I remember something strange about that story like the kid wasnt his AP just claimed him or the kid was his and he didn't see him often

  

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209. "AP basically reacted like his neighbor's dog died or something"
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Obviously had no real connection to the kid other than using his mom as a cum bucket briefly but still, cautionary tale much? AYDMF @ AP.

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133. "on bare skin? on the leg? he forgot the rules to the game"
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He obviously has beef with baby moms. He should've fucking better known better that she would use any excuse to flex.

I chose not to spank my kids but if you're gonna do it, do it over clothes, always on the butt...especially on a fair skinned child. And ESPECIALLY if you have a vindictive baby moms.

  

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137. "not sure where you pulled any of the vindctive baby mother things from....."
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>He obviously has beef with baby moms. He should've fucking
>better known better that she would use any excuse to flex.
>
>I chose not to spank my kids but if you're gonna do it, do it
>over clothes, always on the butt...especially on a fair
>skinned child. And ESPECIALLY if you have a vindictive baby
>moms.

  

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167. "taking the kid to the doctor over some welts??"
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She had to have known doctors have the hotline to the cops nowadays for anything that approaches suspect in their eyes.

Either she was vindictive or dumb as shit. She jeopardized all their money with that stupid shit. Some damn welts...

  

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176. "Those were clearly open wounds. My child is bleeding? Oh nooooooo"
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And he can't stop paying child support what are you even talking about

  

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doberman
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190. "overall..if this blows up. he, and indirectly they, lose money off this"
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Loss of endorsement deals...now we know the NFL is going to be in overreact mode due to Ray Rice...he'll probably get suspended from playing 6 games or so if it falls under the new domestic violence policy.

She took him to the doctor over some light abrasions not thinking big picture. Again, either cause she didn't think it through or because she was trying to get him got.

  

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191. "I think you're unintelligent"
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204. "sorry if i touched a nerve"
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If you were abused or have issues with your kids father or whatever.

Yeah he went overboard and he expressed remorse in his texts...but getting the authorities involved over some switch welts and ruining this man's livelihood is either vindictive or dumb as shit.

  

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218. "Wow, you are sick"
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He ruined his own livelihood when he decided to physically abuse his child. I'd call the police too.



  

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220. "it's called protecting your child, numbnuts"
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if a stranger or his teacher or someone like that did it, please believe anyone would call the fucking cops. fuck AP, if he was so concerned about his paper being straight, he should have let some lil shit from a four-year-old slide like any human being in civil society would. this is the type of thinking that lets power and wealth corrupt us, oh, well, he totally did something wrong but since it could threaten his standing, let's shut up about it and blame people who dont. you are sick, fool.

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358. "Thou art furious canine"
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138. "(C)orporal (T)huggin (E)nt."
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142. "As a parent of a 4 yr old, I couldn't agree with you more. "
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That kid was bloody. Completely Unacceptable.

  

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143. "Good gracious, some folks is really showing their nutso in here. "
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Smh

  

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144. "The Mean Machine is going to be deep at RB"
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146. "Some truly vile, evil people in here condoning this."
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Others of you are riding the fence by saying you disagree but find this as just some ploy by sinister whitey to destroy a black man.

Yeah, and Ferguson is a ploy by the Liberal media to once again attack innocent white police officers for justly defending themselves from savage black men.

Others of you think a 4 year old needs a "nuclear option".

Others don't think you were abused because your parents loved you when they weren't beating you bad enough to warrant an arrest. Talk about Stockholm syndrome.

Others of you won't judge because hey, that's how he was raised!!!


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159. "sorry."
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hug?


Say dat then.
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160. "Of course a pile of shit like you would trivialize this subject with you..."
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Anyhow, I've given you your ration of attention for the month. Try again in October.

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163. "tough week?"
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wauw

its the weekend bro

lighten up

Say dat then.
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174. "cold truth is absolutely right about you."
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199. "yup "
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can only imagine what happened to sev as a child


  

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224. "lol@ the cosigns from the 2 other crazed honkies"
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Say dat then.
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228. "This post is answering many questions about you."
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230. "That's wassup"
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Didn't kno yal had any



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151. "Let a man do this to his wife, or a wife to her husband. These responses..."
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with the quickness.

It's sickening that there are people who (rightly) condemn Ray Rice for knocking his wife out cold and then treating her like they were filming Weekend At Bernie's 3, but it's ok to do this to a 4 year old.

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153. "that's different, because these parents love their kids. "
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right?

right.


EDIT: for clarity, i am not implying that the parents cosigning the beatings
don't love their kids.

i am implying that loving somebody doesn't mean you aren't abusing them.

and since many domestic abusers come from familiies where they
wittnessed abuse, i am implying that just because that's the way things
were done in your household growing up,
that doesn't mean that it's okay to repeat what you've seen done to somebody else.

and yes, i am posting from "deep in my feelings" right now,
because i got beat. i am sure ppl will say i am "mad."

for that reason, i am "very emotional" and have an "agenda" when
it comes to this. my experience makes me not want to beat children,
and motivates me to try to discourage other ppl from beating theirs.

i do this even though i am aware that the law
allows parents to beat children under certain circumstances.

  

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154. "agree 100%--"
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they should put him out of the league

  

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155. "i am going out on a limb here. "
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i am going to assume you are arguing that
the idea that men shouldn't hit women back is patronizing to women
because it amounts to "treating them like defenseless children."

so if women, as a whole, want to be treated like adult human beings,
then we should give up this notion that men shouldn't hit women under any circumstances.

i won't lie to you.
i don't have a logical rebuttal for the argument i am assuming you are making.

so i am just gonna be unfair and say that
i've never had an experience where i needed to
sock a bitch in the face.

so i can't relate to hypotheticals that involve me
cosigning the idea that sometimes, it is necessary
to physically attack women.

but do you.

i concede that you won the argument that i just had with you in my head.
nicely done.


  

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157. ".......and another thing!--"
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161. "So do you condone the beating of this child or not? "
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And do you seriously condone Ray knocking out his wife?

I can't tell where you're coming from on this.

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162. "??? i wasn't being sarcastic--"
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i agree with you

i said it in an earlier response

Adrian Peterson is a child abuser and needs to be put out of the league

I think Ray Rice should be out of the league as well

  

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164. "I legit wasn't sure if it was sarcasm, so I asked instead of assumed. "
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It's easy for things to get misinterpreted in topics like this. I also read Joe Corn's response so I wasn't sure if he saw something in the pre-edit that I missed in the edit.

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183. "if he'd done this to his PUPPY...."
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LOL

fuck you.

  

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171. "If my parents were charged for my past beatings, they'd be on death row"
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Its just a different time and you have to adapt.
That old shit doesn't fly anymore.

Plus, All Day is one of the strongest dudes in the league, he needs to chill.

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177. "Do you ever remember open wounds?"
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238. "Yes, blood was shed."
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172. "we cant even recognise the humanity in ourselves enough"
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to not abuse our children so sad

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252. "^^^^"
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186. "Hm, there sure are a lot of Black crimes being reported"
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Kind of makes the image of Black people less relevant as we're nationally making a case against the police.
"Well why wouldn't the police shoot Black people - look at what they do," said some middle America rube.

Not saying these crimes are right, but they've been going on forever and the exposure and timing is not accidental.

You see it, right? Please don't be blind to the Black character (not individual, the collective Black character) assassination that's right in front of your face about your (well, some of you) race.

I have a 400 year old chip on my shoulder.

  

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187. ". . ."
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrm-rPSCIBw

fuck you.

  

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222. "The obvious to you is new news to someone else"
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Adults that breathe the same air as you believe that Ferguson isn't about race.
So check out the big brain on you.

I have a 400 year old chip on my shoulder.

  

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244. "whoa."
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http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140721194856/thefutureofeuropes/images/d/dd/Mind-blown.jpeg

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255. "lofl."
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375. "And they can bank on us publically"
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throwing each other under the bus with the quickness like no other race
does.

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192. "Classic OKP For Dummies. Y'all are showing real crazy."
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It's always the ones that have no real authentic experience that make the most noise too.



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196. "LOL, yeah, the revolutionary notion that you shouldnt abuse your kids"
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Surely no one who *actually had kids* would espouse this. I mean, having kids to begin with is pretty rare, right? And then actually having the wherewithal not to beat the shit out of small, helpless people who trust you unconditionally, wow, I mean, that takes a saintly level of patience. FOH.

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198. "TOKPR. Jump to the extreme and then demand you own their fallacy. "
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Keep up the hyperbole mentally.


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227. "Uh, I think it was not OKP but AP who jumped to the extreme"
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Are you trying to say something or just hover above other posters in the typical, semi-literate way that you so adore?

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254. "HAGD. "
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Was that too semi-literate for you?
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271. "no, incoherent"
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273. "Ok Blockhead. "
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I'll let you figure out that reference. If you are smart enough you'll easily find the correlation. If you can't, then you have earned the proper reference.



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229. "so Jesus would condone whooping your kids on the dick w/ a switch?"
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Interesting.

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251. "No one condones abuse. So to answer your extreme silly example, No."
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And not calling you silly.


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257. "Except you do and are. "
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-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

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260. "Enjoy #259 and HAGD"
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201. "beaten with a switch = authentic experience? "
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250. "Chastisement with a switch is not uncommon or unnecessary"
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But abuse is and shouldn't be condoned. B

Popping a kid on the legs within reason is not abuse and a switch is going to leave a mark, but it's not permanent. Still abuse is never supported.



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256. "No real authentic experience? Please expound. You don't know what you're..."
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about

You don't know who has what experience.

-Sig-

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259. "I'm talking about experience in general on a number of issues. "
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OKPers that aren't married, never been married, don't have kids, dont, have jobs, don't or have never experienced certain topics are always the first people to run with world saving advice. And they are the first to disrespect and shout down anyone that disagrees with their position. And they are the first to run into a post using the most extreme strawman or fallacy to make a point in comparison.






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287. "Name names. "
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-Sig-

“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

  

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330. "LOL.. This is your logical response.. "
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345. "Yes, asking you to post specific examples of your vague ass assertions i..."
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Buuuuut you're too busy with your dip/dodge/duck/dive routine to avoid the meat of the subject at hand.

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333. "says the guy that stays giving ___ ppl advice about ___ ."
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>OKPers that aren't married, never been married, don't have
>kids, dont, have jobs, don't or have never experienced certain
>topics are always the first people to run with world saving
>advice. And they are the first to disrespect and shout down
>anyone that disagrees with their position. And they are the
>first to run into a post using the most extreme strawman or
>fallacy to make a point in comparison.
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335. "Dude, you are obsessed with me."
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338. "the only person i am obsessed with is michael jackson. "
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are you Michael Jackson?

  

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200. "we need to make peace with the fact that our parents weren't perfect"
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they did a LOT of fucked up shit

ESPECIALLY if you're black and your parents were working poor and born prior to integration??

The odds are really good that they got/had more than one type of psychosis.

There are literally infinite ways to discipline a kid that works much better on several levels. Beating your kid - especially really young ones - is just dumb. Our folks didn't know any better, so they just did what their folks did to them.

Parenting classes are a thing. Hell, go sit in with a pre-school class for a minute. You can learn a lot of ways to interact with, direct, discipline and tech your kids.

It's really just a matter of thinking about the thing differently

  

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207. "yes to all of this"
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>they did a LOT of fucked up shit
>
>ESPECIALLY if you're black and your parents were working poor
>and born prior to integration??
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>The odds are really good that they got/had more than one type
>of psychosis.
>
>There are literally infinite ways to discipline a kid that
>works much better on several levels. Beating your kid -
>especially really young ones - is just dumb. Our folks didn't
>know any better, so they just did what their folks did to
>them.
>
>Parenting classes are a thing. Hell, go sit in with a
>pre-school class for a minute. You can learn a lot of ways to
>interact with, direct, discipline and tech your kids.
>
>It's really just a matter of thinking about the thing
>differently


Our parents did some fucked up shit because fucked up shit is what was done to them.

Right or wrong, by today's standards many of our loving muh'deas would be UNDER the jail.

I have always wondered how effective it was. My personality has always been such that I'm a pleaser. I definitely got my ass beat...but disappointing my parents was always more of a punishment to me.

My brother, on the other hand, got fewer beatings than me and my sister (he's 11 years younger, so by the time he was born, my parents had matured and their position on beatings I think had evolved), and he gave them hell with his behavior.

Don't know if that's because he was a boy, or because there was a change in discipline.

And I really don't have a point of comparison because my nephew's behavior is so good that he rarely if ever needs a spanking. And I believe in spankings when necessary (my conditioning has been condotioned--plus I've met some bad ass kids), but I know that I could never bring myself to hit him.

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208. "Truth. They don't hear you tho."
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213. "There's some things we don't want to know. IMPORTANT THINGS (c) Flanders"
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221. "This:"
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Hell, go sit in with a pre-school class for a minute. You can learn a lot of ways to interact with, direct, discipline and tech your kids.

www.twitter.com/luvlee2003

  

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225. "^very important point."
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well said.

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234. "nobody is. "
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I think it's just hard for the folk who were actually abused to fathom how its possible that a whoopin can take place without it being abuse

fear of a whippin was literally the only b thing that kept me in line

talkin to me did no good

I was smart and sneaky

and was mommas lil angel that could do no wrong

but the truth was I was just as bad as my older brother

I was just smart enough to not get caught like he always did

and if I did get caught he was always the one getting blamed cause he was older and he mustve led me into the mischief

I knew how to tell my mom what she b wanted to hear

I knew how to lie

manipulate situations

I was a mess

talkin did nothing

but the fear of the belt was the only thing that kept me from getting into a whole lot of bullshyt

its that simple

grounding me ain't work

she worked 2 jobs

take away some toys I stopped playing with a month after Christmas?

cool

like I said

there was no other deterrent

in school I made good grades but would still piss teachers off being the class clown

and being in a predominantly white school I learned how to pull that race card so easily whenever I got in trouble

(sometimes it was true tho. I did have some cracka ass crackas that really did hate me. as u can see with this post it still holds true lol)

but anyway

talks did nothing

I was too advanced for that

and my not so perfect mom got tired by the 4th or 5th one and took a belt to my ass

that usually did the trick

by 7th grade I had got my act rite

mainly because I started playing sports and didn't want to get kicked off the team or do extra conditioning after practice

all I'm saying is this

not all whoopins is the same

not all households r the same

and not all children are the same


alot of yal had some fuked up childhoods and experienced abuse that is clearly effecting yal till this day

and can't imagine anything good coming from a whoopin


some of yal never got whoopins at all

and can't imagine anything good coming from a whoopin


yal ain't wrong



but yal damb sure ain't right either



anyway I just wanted to type that out


now yal can go on and tell I was abused and how im suffering internally and just don't know it





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241. "That wasn't a "whuppin" tho...... "
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stuffing a 4 year old child's mouth full of leaves and whipping him till he bleeds over his lower extremities and whipping his bare genitals.. you think thats a good ol fashion "whuppin?"

he didn't just get spanked or whupped.. he was abused. period. this isn't about being anti corporal punishment. i think there are DEFINITELY kids that require physical punishment.

peterson did not just "whup" that little boy. period.




>I think it's just hard for the folk who were actually abused
>to fathom how its possible that a whoopin can take place
>without it being abuse
>
>fear of a whippin was literally the only b thing that kept me
>in line
>
>talkin to me did no good
>
>I was smart and sneaky
>
>and was mommas lil angel that could do no wrong
>
>but the truth was I was just as bad as my older brother
>
>I was just smart enough to not get caught like he always did
>
>and if I did get caught he was always the one getting blamed
>cause he was older and he mustve led me into the mischief
>
>I knew how to tell my mom what she b wanted to hear
>
>I knew how to lie
>
>manipulate situations
>
>I was a mess
>
>talkin did nothing
>
>but the fear of the belt was the only thing that kept me from
>getting into a whole lot of bullshyt
>
>its that simple
>
>grounding me ain't work
>
>she worked 2 jobs
>
>take away some toys I stopped playing with a month after
>Christmas?
>
>cool
>
>like I said
>
>there was no other deterrent
>
>in school I made good grades but would still piss teachers off
>being the class clown
>
>and being in a predominantly white school I learned how to
>pull that race card so easily whenever I got in trouble
>
>(sometimes it was true tho. I did have some cracka ass crackas
>that really did hate me. as u can see with this post it still
>holds true lol)
>
>but anyway
>
>talks did nothing
>
>I was too advanced for that
>
>and my not so perfect mom got tired by the 4th or 5th one and
>took a belt to my ass
>
>that usually did the trick
>
>by 7th grade I had got my act rite
>
>mainly because I started playing sports and didn't want to get
>kicked off the team or do extra conditioning after practice
>
>all I'm saying is this
>
>not all whoopins is the same
>
>not all households r the same
>
>and not all children are the same
>
>
>alot of yal had some fuked up childhoods and experienced abuse
>that is clearly effecting yal till this day
>
>and can't imagine anything good coming from a whoopin
>
>
>some of yal never got whoopins at all
>
>and can't imagine anything good coming from a whoopin
>
>
>yal ain't wrong
>
>
>
>but yal damb sure ain't right either
>
>
>
>anyway I just wanted to type that out
>
>
>now yal can go on and tell I was abused and how im suffering
>internally and just don't know it
>
>
>
>
>
>Say dat then.
>____________
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>Dallas Cavericks LETS GO!!


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286. "i mean i figured you were a little shit, but what's changed?"
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305. "ur on a roll"
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Keep going.



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319. "Pretty much"
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Coolin...

  

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243. "yup."
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fuck you.

  

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258. "Out side of SW's shade. best reply in here"
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317. "I need to call my father right now and thank him for every ass whippin"
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Bestowed upon me

That 'talkin' 'timeout' 'punishment' shit don't work on everybody...damn sure ain't work on me....at all

Abuse is abuse (obviously AP went too far)
Discipline is discipline...

I am thankful for mine

Kept me from doing more dumb shit than I already did

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Coolin...

  

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389. "^^^^"
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214. "Stuffing a 4 yr olds mouth w/leaves, whipping & breaking his skin "
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including whipping him in his privates??

anyone who thinks this was okay is a fucking disgusting human being. period.


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219. "daddy has the biggest heart but he will snap and whip your ass"
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over some shit you probably don't even understand.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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226. "BUT IT'S LEGAL ... In Uzbekistan "
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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231. "Peterson's 2 year old son was beaten to death a year ago.. wtf "
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im so confused...

his 2 year old was beaten to death by his ex's boyfriend like a year ago so he stuff his other young son's mouth full of leaves and whips him till he breaks his skin all over and makes him bleed.. whipping him in his genitals..

wtf is wrong with this animal??

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232. ": ( "
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237. "i thought his name sounded familiar... WTF?"
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!!!

Is everyone else recognizing the name and condoning this?

  

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239. "And he did this as punishment for the child "pushing" one of his sibling..."
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so to teach a child that was only a toddler a year ago not to be physically violent you............. ??

im sorry. i need to stop reading this shit because its making me sick.


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253. "wow..some of yall need to be beat with a switch right today"
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263. "This post, The Rice post, and a couple of others"
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show how deeply ingrained some of our worst collective ideas about human relationships go within our minds and bodies.

yes, OKP is a micro and "alternative" aggregate of broader America society, but the way MANY people on this boards share some of the most problematic ideas and aspects of our country is rather telling

I truly hope some of you are just internet trolling and don't believe some of the madness that is coming through your key strokes

  

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265. "So what are you solutions? No SNARK, "
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Please, provide us all with the needed enlightenment that's required in order for us to live the way you think we should be living. Seriously, address the core issue, set the goal, and then provide the steps that are required.


We would love to know your opinion.



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272. "Step 1: don't inflict bodily harm onto people you love."
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End of steps.

Is this a complicated concept to grasp? Someone tell me if it is. I'm not trying to be snarky. It seems simple.

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275. "thank you."
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Case really thinks "we're" asking people to live lock and step as "us"

  

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280. "No, you provide the steps to changing a culture."
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288. "Where are YOUR solutions? All you've provided is excuses, resistance, an..."
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You've done nothing but defend abusive practices while double talking about how abuse needs to go.

Basically you've been a stereotypical preacher.

-Sig-

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289. "I asked the question first. "
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Ain't no double talking. And until I get a comprehensive answer all this random talk that you and other are spouting is just plain gibberish.


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293. "Anyone who thinks abuse is a problem should be providing solutions"
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Including you

Don't get caught up on such trivial mess as who asked a question first, makes it look like ur sole purpose is just to challenged and disrupt

Don't troll this serious issue dude

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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294. "What your point-by-poin solution to addressing the culture. "
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323. "There's only one point: violence has NO place in family life"
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325. "What's yours? You don't have one. You want it to continue, not change. "
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You're literally part of the problem. You accept the culture, don't see a problem, and thus see nothing that needs to change.

The solution isn't a one-step action plan.

The first step to fixing a problem is universal, and it's a step that you are unwilling to take. It's a step that many of us in this thread have literally already taken. In fact, it's a step we're illustrating in this very thread.

If you don't know what that step is, you're already too far gone.

You're illustrating this by your condescension and unwillingness to answer your own question.

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331. "RIF. I never said the solution was a one-step action plan. "
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Do you even know what an Action Plan is?


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334. "Typical preacher with the diversions. Stop dancing, Pastor Snake Oil"
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You're continued support is part of the problem.
Since you don't see the problem, you can't fix the problem.

After all, Pastor Snake Oil, the first step to solving a problem is admitting there's a problem.

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336. "Ok."
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339. "Aren't you a Christian, too?"
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>You're continued support is part of the problem.
>Since you don't see the problem, you can't fix the problem.
>
>After all, Pastor Snake Oil, the first step to solving a
>problem is admitting there's a problem.
>

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342. "Not exactly practicing. I pretty much loathe the current institution of ..."
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I'll just say my faith isn't what it used to be. There was a time when even in my sin, my beliefs were intact. Over time I started questioning a lot of things and now I'm at a point where even if I can put 100% faith in the truth of the basic tenets (basically boiling down to the existence of Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior), I can't stomach a church service. I can't stand preachers and church politics and the generally inconsistent message.

Far as Case goes, he's literally not saying shit. He does this same dodging bullshit whenever his views are challenged, whether they are religious or not.

So go ahead and pop off whatever TLDNR or whatever response you're gong to give.

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347. "'Not exactly practicing?' Wtf does that even mean? Either you"
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Believe Christianity is the living word of God almighty or not...plain and simple

What aren't you "practicing?"

All that mumbo jumbo you typed down below is just semantics

The "politics" of your local church shouldn't affect your faith in the religion...


>I'll just say my faith isn't what it used to be. There was a
>time when even in my sin, my beliefs were intact. Over time I
>started questioning a lot of things and now I'm at a point
>where even if I can put 100% faith in the truth of the basic
>tenets (basically boiling down to the existence of Jesus
>Christ as Lord and Savior), I can't stomach a church service.
>I can't stand preachers and church politics and the generally
>inconsistent message.
>
>Far as Case goes, he's literally not saying shit. He does this
>same dodging bullshit whenever his views are challenged,
>whether they are religious or not.
>
>So go ahead and pop off whatever TLDNR or whatever response
>you're gong to give.

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351. "why not?"
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if you read the bible,
and get the impression that the currently religious system is more about
reenforcing the status quo than changing it...

if you believe the pastors you are seeing are more like the scribes and pharesises that
jesus was chastising than they are like jesus himself...

then you may feel that the church has lost its way
even if you still believe _____ .

a person in that situation may be going into churches and trying
to change them to get more involved in social justice issues.

or they may be starting their own churches.

or they may have given up on the concept of churches completely
and are trying to find their own path to get to whatever they believe god is.

or, they might be ppl that are on their way to becoming atheiests.

who knows.

either way, i get it.




>Believe Christianity is the living word of God almighty or
>not...plain and simple
>
>What aren't you "practicing?"
>
>All that mumbo jumbo you typed down below is just semantics
>
>The "politics" of your local church shouldn't affect your
>faith in the religion...
>
>
>>I'll just say my faith isn't what it used to be. There was a
>>time when even in my sin, my beliefs were intact. Over time
>I
>>started questioning a lot of things and now I'm at a point
>>where even if I can put 100% faith in the truth of the basic
>>tenets (basically boiling down to the existence of Jesus
>>Christ as Lord and Savior), I can't stomach a church
>service.
>>I can't stand preachers and church politics and the
>generally
>>inconsistent message.
>>
>>Far as Case goes, he's literally not saying shit. He does
>this
>>same dodging bullshit whenever his views are challenged,
>>whether they are religious or not.
>>
>>So go ahead and pop off whatever TLDNR or whatever response
>>you're gong to give.
>

  

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353. "Church politics vary from church to church and why should how a"
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Sun Sep-14-14 09:21 AM by vee-lover

  

          

Church is run affect your belief in the word?

It shouldn't, it's just an excuse because you CAN'T 'practice' or live out what the book ascribes to its followers in a modern society w/o appearing crazy or being imprisoned

Since we're on this topic of disciplining your child, do I have to pull up what the "good book" says about disciplining your child?

Throughout the bible, the Christian god condones physically disciplining your child

This is precisely why I asked 'coldtruth' wasn't he a christian, too...because I wanted to see how someone who had made it known on this board on numerous occasions that he was a christian reconciles what "god" says abt physical disciplining of a child since he vehemently opposes corporal punishment of any kind...


>if you read the bible,
>and get the impression that the currently religious system is
>more about
>reenforcing the status quo than changing it...
>
>if you believe the pastors you are seeing are more like the
>scribes and pharesises that
>jesus was chastising than they are like jesus himself...
>
>then you may feel that the church has lost its way
>even if you still believe _____ .
>
>a person in that situation may be going into churches and
>trying
>to change them to get more involved in social justice issues.
>
>
>or they may be starting their own churches.
>
>or they may have given up on the concept of churches
>completely
>and are trying to find their own path to get to whatever they
>believe god is.
>
>or, they might be ppl that are on their way to becoming
>atheiests.
>
>who knows.
>
>either way, i get it.
>
>
>
>
>>Believe Christianity is the living word of God almighty or
>>not...plain and simple
>>
>>What aren't you "practicing?"
>>
>>All that mumbo jumbo you typed down below is just semantics
>>
>>The "politics" of your local church shouldn't affect your
>>faith in the religion...
>>
>>
>>>I'll just say my faith isn't what it used to be. There was
>a
>>>time when even in my sin, my beliefs were intact. Over time
>>I
>>>started questioning a lot of things and now I'm at a point
>>>where even if I can put 100% faith in the truth of the
>basic
>>>tenets (basically boiling down to the existence of Jesus
>>>Christ as Lord and Savior), I can't stomach a church
>>service.
>>>I can't stand preachers and church politics and the
>>generally
>>>inconsistent message.
>>>
>>>Far as Case goes, he's literally not saying shit. He does
>>this
>>>same dodging bullshit whenever his views are challenged,
>>>whether they are religious or not.
>>>
>>>So go ahead and pop off whatever TLDNR or whatever response
>>>you're gong to give.
>>
>

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359. "what?"
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i can't unpackage all of this.
but for the record, i am an atheists that believe
ppl take what they want from the bible.

if you are an asshole,
you pick and choose bible verses to justify you being an asshole.

if you are cool,
you pick and choose bible verses to back that up too.

and to the extent that you are on the fence,
the church tries to indoctrinate ppl to maintain the status quo.
which, usually, is some fucked up shit.


>Church is run affect your belief in the word?
>>It shouldn't, it's just an excuse because you CAN'T 'practice'
>or live out what the book ascribes to its followers in a
>modern society w/o appearing crazy or being imprisoned
>
>Since we're on this topic of disciplining your child, do I
>have to pull up what the "good book" says about disciplining
>your child?
>
>Throughout the bible, the Christian god condones physically
>disciplining your child
>
>This is precisely why I asked 'coldtruth' wasn't he a
>christian, too...because I wanted to see how someone who had
>made it known on this board on numerous occasions that he was
>a christian reconciles what "god" says abt physical
>disciplining of a child since he vehemently opposes corporal
>punishment of any kind...
>
>
>>if you read the bible,
>>and get the impression that the currently religious system
>is
>>more about
>>reenforcing the status quo than changing it...
>>
>>if you believe the pastors you are seeing are more like the
>>scribes and pharesises that
>>jesus was chastising than they are like jesus himself...
>>
>>then you may feel that the church has lost its way
>>even if you still believe _____ .
>>
>>a person in that situation may be going into churches and
>>trying
>>to change them to get more involved in social justice
>issues.
>>
>>
>>or they may be starting their own churches.
>>
>>or they may have given up on the concept of churches
>>completely
>>and are trying to find their own path to get to whatever
>they
>>believe god is.
>>
>>or, they might be ppl that are on their way to becoming
>>atheiests.
>>
>>who knows.
>>
>>either way, i get it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>Believe Christianity is the living word of God almighty or
>>>not...plain and simple
>>>
>>>What aren't you "practicing?"
>>>
>>>All that mumbo jumbo you typed down below is just semantics
>
>>>
>>>The "politics" of your local church shouldn't affect your
>>>faith in the religion...
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'll just say my faith isn't what it used to be. There was
>>a
>>>>time when even in my sin, my beliefs were intact. Over
>time
>>>I
>>>>started questioning a lot of things and now I'm at a point
>>>>where even if I can put 100% faith in the truth of the
>>basic
>>>>tenets (basically boiling down to the existence of Jesus
>>>>Christ as Lord and Savior), I can't stomach a church
>>>service.
>>>>I can't stand preachers and church politics and the
>>>generally
>>>>inconsistent message.
>>>>
>>>>Far as Case goes, he's literally not saying shit. He does
>>>this
>>>>same dodging bullshit whenever his views are challenged,
>>>>whether they are religious or not.
>>>>
>>>>So go ahead and pop off whatever TLDNR or whatever
>response
>>>>you're gong to give.
>>>
>>
>

  

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360. "unpack all of what? Ok, you're an atheist, good for you, but I was "
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addressing he question of being a Christian to coldtruth...because he had said in the past he was a devout christian but now he's not a "practicing" believer...

I wanna know if he questioned what the Christian god says abt applying the rod to your child(ren)...because it's condoned throughout the bible

>i can't unpackage all of this.
>but for the record, i am an atheists that believe
>ppl take what they want from the bible.

Of course ppl take what they want from the bible because as I said, if Christians were really trying to live up to or 'practice' what the christian god ascribes to his followers, they'd be viewed as crazy or imprisoned...


Blaming local church politics as to why you're questioning the religion altogether is just a cop-out I hear from most so-called Christians who waver w/Christianity...



>>Church is run affect your belief in the word?
>>>It shouldn't, it's just an excuse because you CAN'T
>'practice'
>>or live out what the book ascribes to its followers in a
>>modern society w/o appearing crazy or being imprisoned
>>
>>Since we're on this topic of disciplining your child, do I
>>have to pull up what the "good book" says about disciplining
>>your child?
>>
>>Throughout the bible, the Christian god condones physically
>>disciplining your child
>>
>>This is precisely why I asked 'coldtruth' wasn't he a
>>christian, too...because I wanted to see how someone who had
>>made it known on this board on numerous occasions that he
>was
>>a christian reconciles what "god" says abt physical
>>disciplining of a child since he vehemently opposes corporal
>>punishment of any kind...
>>
>>
>>>if you read the bible,
>>>and get the impression that the currently religious system
>>is
>>>more about
>>>reenforcing the status quo than changing it...
>>>
>>>if you believe the pastors you are seeing are more like the
>>>scribes and pharesises that
>>>jesus was chastising than they are like jesus himself...
>>>
>>>then you may feel that the church has lost its way
>>>even if you still believe _____ .
>>>
>>>a person in that situation may be going into churches and
>>>trying
>>>to change them to get more involved in social justice
>>issues.
>>>
>>>
>>>or they may be starting their own churches.
>>>
>>>or they may have given up on the concept of churches
>>>completely
>>>and are trying to find their own path to get to whatever
>>they
>>>believe god is.
>>>
>>>or, they might be ppl that are on their way to becoming
>>>atheiests.
>>>
>>>who knows.
>>>
>>>either way, i get it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Believe Christianity is the living word of God almighty or
>>>>not...plain and simple
>>>>
>>>>What aren't you "practicing?"
>>>>
>>>>All that mumbo jumbo you typed down below is just
>semantics
>>
>>>>
>>>>The "politics" of your local church shouldn't affect your
>>>>faith in the religion...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I'll just say my faith isn't what it used to be. There
>was
>>>a
>>>>>time when even in my sin, my beliefs were intact. Over
>>time
>>>>I
>>>>>started questioning a lot of things and now I'm at a
>point
>>>>>where even if I can put 100% faith in the truth of the
>>>basic
>>>>>tenets (basically boiling down to the existence of Jesus
>>>>>Christ as Lord and Savior), I can't stomach a church
>>>>service.
>>>>>I can't stand preachers and church politics and the
>>>>generally
>>>>>inconsistent message.
>>>>>
>>>>>Far as Case goes, he's literally not saying shit. He does
>>>>this
>>>>>same dodging bullshit whenever his views are challenged,
>>>>>whether they are religious or not.
>>>>>
>>>>>So go ahead and pop off whatever TLDNR or whatever
>>response
>>>>>you're gong to give.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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369. "No, that's not what the fuck I said. Go on and cook though."
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>Blaming local church politics as to why you're questioning the
>religion altogether is just a cop-out I hear from most
>so-called Christians who waver w/Christianity...

You seriously can't have an honest conversation where you accurately read someones actual words.

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372. "But you did say 'my faith isn't what it once was' right? Now, tell me wh..."
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exactly does not what it once was mean?

Does it by any chance have to do w/the god/bible condoning *physical disciplining* of your child(ren) throughout the good book?...I mean since you're vehemently against physically discipline your child...because, according to you, that constitutes abuse.


>>Blaming local church politics as to why you're questioning
>the
>>religion altogether is just a cop-out I hear from most
>>so-called Christians who waver w/Christianity...
>
>You seriously can't have an honest conversation where you
>accurately read someones actual words.
>
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374. "lol. You're hilarious with the diversions. Almost as bad as Case with th..."
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>exactly does not what it once was mean?
>
>Does it by any chance have to do w/the god/bible condoning
>*physical disciplining* of your child(ren) throughout the good
>book?...I mean since you're vehemently against physically
>discipline your child...because, according to you, that
>constitutes abuse.

I am against corporal punishment.
No need for you to ask a question you already have the answer to.

It's amusing that you're reduced to trying to find a completely irrelevant "gotcha" moment by using a particular tenet of a religion I have already said I'm not currently practicing and have considerably less faith in than I once did.

What exactly is the purpose of your attempt to antagonize me based on my religion/lack thereof? Was the point to somehow derail this into a discussion on religion so you can finally have a shot to "get me" with your (likely) stance that all religion is bullshit?

Did you think that since you got obliterated in the child abuse discussion due to your aversion to sticking to the facts of the discussion, you'd have an edge in a religious debate?

Please, I'd love to hear why you're trying to turn this into a religious discussion. Before you say some dumb shit like I made it a religious discussion by calling Case Pastor Snake Oil for his professional double speak, you brought it up. Not me.

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378. "This isn't at all a diversion - we're talking abt your value system whic..."
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Is *supposed* to be informed by your belief system which is a by-product of your theology...

And since you've made it known in the past that you're a Christian - I wanted to know how do you square the fact that the Christian god/bible condones physically disciplining/hitting/stoning your child if he/she is disobedient.

>I am against corporal punishment.
>No need for you to ask a question you already have the answer
>to.

It was a rhetorical question to get you answer how could you go against the word of *your* god who isn't against corporal punishment...

>
>It's amusing that you're reduced to trying to find a
>completely irrelevant "gotcha" moment by using a particular
>tenet of a religion I have already said I'm not currently
>practicing and have considerably less faith in than I once
>did.

wtf - no, this is to expose how YOU, and other Christians who take such a hard line stance against spanking your child but it is an acceptable practice in the bible which puts you all in direct conflict w/the word of your god...did you ever question the word of god abt this matter when you were a "practicing" Christians?" Or is this selective outrage from you...or a case of separation of church and state???

Lemme know
>
>What exactly is the purpose of your attempt to antagonize me
>based on my religion/lack thereof? Was the point to somehow
>derail this into a discussion on religion so you can finally
>have a shot to "get me" with your (likely) stance that all
>religion is bullshit?

Nope...read the paragraph above. How you live your life, how one raises their child(ren), a person's code of ethics can't be divorced from their religious belief, it's impossible...

So again, how do you have the nerve to come on this board talking as if you're some moral authority on what is or isn't child abuse, hurling insults out the gate, but this obviously didn't give you pause when you were a "practicing christian."

>
>Did you think that since you got obliterated in the child
>abuse discussion due to your aversion to sticking to the facts
>of the discussion, you'd have an edge in a religious debate?

Yeah ok...answer the question because this topic of abuse does intersect w/our collective religious conditioning but ppl, or hypocrites like you, don't question the "word of god" as it pertains to disciplining your child but you condemn anyone who does use corporal punishment in their home
>
>Please, I'd love to hear why you're trying to turn this into a
>religious discussion. Before you say some dumb shit like I
>made it a religious discussion by calling Case Pastor Snake
>Oil for his professional double speak, you brought it up. Not
>me.


I already answered - the ball is in your court

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379. "Nice try, but no. Keep thinking everyone agrees with every aspect of the..."
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You're incapable of layered, nuanced thinking.

You somehow believe that I have at any time believed in corporal punishment, despite literally having nothing to base that assumption on.

Of course, you're playing "gotcha!!" and are banking on challenging my religious views when you see that you are unable to corner me on my view of corporal punishment.

Sorry to disappoint you, but people don't always agree with every element of their religion. I can easily guess the angle you'll take in response, but I won't be entertaining your desire to change the conversation any further. It's hilarious that you actually AGREE with the corporal punishment you shit on Christianity for, that says everything I need to know about you.

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380. "You can't pick and choose what you will or won't accept w/your religion"
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You either believe it's the WHOLE TRUTH...or you don't...

How much of Christianity did you believe in or "practice" when you were a follower? Because there's a lot of impractical things that the Christian god says is ok but wouldn't be allowed/accepted in the modern world...



>You're incapable of layered, nuanced thinking.

Layered thinking? Is that what you call once being a Christian who tacitly agreed w/corporal punishment by the mere fact you were once a "practicing christian" and the bible/Christian god condones it but yet you condemn those who choose to practice that as a form of discipline for their child?
>
>You somehow believe that I have at any time believed in
>corporal punishment, despite literally having nothing to base
>that assumption on.

So when you *were* a "practicing christian," you chose to ignore what the bible says abt corporal punishment or you probably didn't know the numerous of times god approves of hitting your child throughout the bible...or you probably never even read the book in its entirety...either way, it expose you as a hypocrite

>Of course, you're playing "gotcha!!" and are banking on
>challenging my religious views when you see that you are
>unable to corner me on my view of corporal punishment.

Wtf is you talkin abt - I mean like, really?!?! I brought up the religious aspect because I wanted to point out to you how you're a hypocrite...not a very smart hypocrite at that.

You can't separate your religious beliefs from any aspect of your life...not one
>
>Sorry to disappoint you, but people don't always agree with
>every element of their religion.

If it's the word of GOD, it's not up for you to *disagree* if you call yourself a believer of that religion - you either accept ALL or you don't any of it, period, end of story

But you swear you're smart

I can easily guess the angle
>you'll take in response, but I won't be entertaining your
>desire to change the conversation any further.

I would back away from this post, too, if I were you because you're unable to make a cogent reason why you *were* once a devout Christian and still accepted that religion even though you KNEW it condoned physical punishment but you want to get on your high horse in this post and make judgments and insults and condemnation abt parents and ppl who were spanked/whipped as a child



It's hilarious
>that you actually AGREE with the corporal punishment you shit
>on Christianity for, that says everything I need to know about
>you.

Yeah it says I know how to flip the argument back on hypocritical Christians like you who want to make judgments abt ppl who spank their children but don't have sense enough to realize that the very book you believe(d) was the word of god condones the most extreme methods of chastising your child

But that didn't prevent you from accepting or attempting to "practice" the religion...

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382. "and further down the rabbit hole we go."
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I've entertained you enough. You lost an argument on one front and switched tactics toward something else entirely.

You can get the entire fuck out of here with telling me what the fuck I can and can't believe, how much I can believe, and the rest of your diversionary bullshit. you really hate religion that much, go create the 20th post this year on the subject and let okp know how you feel.

I called your tactical shift from the beginning, even in my previous post. The reason I continued to entertain you was to satisfy my suspicion, and that's been done. Have fun with your next reply. It won't get read, at least by me.



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385. "Ethics aren't predicated on theological belief."
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A person can be atheist and ethical. A person can be atheist and moral. Ethics and Religion are not fundamentally inseparable. Neither is morality and religion. They might be for some people, but that is not the case for everyone.

Moral and ethics can be informed by philosophy. Morals and ethics are not the sole domain of religion.

  

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364. "Do you know what "practicing" means? "
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>Believe Christianity is the living word of God almighty or
>not...plain and simple

It's really not that simple. That's such a simp assed perspective on religion it's no surprise those words were written by you.

Further, "belief" in a thing and the active pursuit/application of said belief are two entirely different things. We've clearly established that nuanced, layered thinking is not exactly a strong point of yours, so I say this knowing full well it will completely evade your grasp.

>What aren't you "practicing?

>All that mumbo jumbo you typed down below is just semantics

No. Not at all. You seem to think that religion is a simple thing that people either believe or they don't, as if there aren't thousands of sects and subsets with widely varying doctrine.

For many, religion is a very complex and deeply layered subject. For all your talk of ME jumping to logical extremes (for doing nothing but using a very plain interpretation of your very plain words, but I digress) you like to turn complex issues into something that is far more simple, more black and white than shades of gray.

>The "politics" of your local church shouldn't affect your
>faith in the religion...

Interesting statement, considering I never said church politics affected my faith in my religion. It's ok; we've long established that your reading comprehension skills are fucking terrible. I said that my faith isn't what it once was and even if my faith were at 100%, I still couldn't stomach a church service.

Anyhow, we both know that you create your own (completely inaccurate and often enough, downright made-up) version of events to argue with and I've proven that at least five times in this very thread.

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279. "So you think a mandate like that will change everything instantly? "
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Really? You think that it't that easy?

See this is the kind of simple talk and comments that lead to nothing ever changing.


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326. "lmao"
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this is just an extension of your other dumbass post asking "WHERE ARE THE RALLIES" getting a hundred actual responses.

there is an ocean of literature, a litany of support groups and tons of people drawing that line and explaining why it's wrong to beat your children. you are just drowning them out in favor of some old-school, "well, it's tough, i understand" type bullshit that amounts to looking the other way.

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332. "Since you have so much insight, why don't you do something consecutive? "
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You are doing nothing but attempting to slander me, as if I actually care what you think. Man i'm winning at life. I can care less how much you hate on me. Just do something with the time that you have on this earth to make a positive difference and stop trying to tear other people down.

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373. "He did that already. He consecutively responded to your bobbing and weav..."
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The word you were looking for was "constructive".

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274. "I love all the parenting experts in here"
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How about you handle your kids your way and let others handle their kids how they want. All that judging and holier than thou shit needs to go. Especially if you don't have children. You shouldn't even be giving advice.

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281. "Why are you even trying to make REAL Sense,"
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>How about you handle your kids your way and let others handle
>their kids how they want. All that judging and holier than
>thou shit needs to go. Especially if you don't have children.
>You shouldn't even be giving advice.

Yeah, we all understand the general notion of love and protection. But some of these people can't take care of a pet or themselves, but they have all of the practical advise.


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290. "No. You definitely shouldn't allow everyone to handle their own kids the..."
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Yes, hate to break it to you, but there absolutely has to be set moral, social, and legal standards for such things.

Your argument is exactly how abusers have wanted things to be for decades.

You know, the sort of people who say, "WHAT HAPPENS IN THIS HOUSE STAYS IN THIS HOUSE!!!". After all, if people found out, there could be consequences.

Yes, there are limits. There's a line where, yes, you raise your kids how you see fit and all I'll raise mine how how I see fit. That line ends at abuse. I'm sorry if a lot of you refuse to admit that dear old dad and mumsikins abused you despite the fact that they love you, but that's your problem. Deal it it, don't propagate that mentality just because you were a victim yourself.

And FOH with the notion that someone has to have kids to know that beating them with a switch is wrong. That's the dumbest piece of logic this subject has seen, at least after "well my daddy beat me and his daddy beat him, so it must be ok!"

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302. "RE: No. You definitely shouldn't allow everyone to handle their own kids..."
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>Yes, there are limits. There's a line where, yes, you raise
>your kids how you see fit and all I'll raise mine how how I
>see fit. That line ends at abuse. I'm sorry if a lot of you
>refuse to admit that dear old dad and mumsikins abused you
>despite the fact that they love you, but that's your problem.
>Deal it it, don't propagate that mentality just because you
>were a victim yourself.
>

These type of comments are why people don't care what you or SoWhat have to say when it comes to discipline. For one you don't know me nor do you know how I was raised. Therefore, take that bullshit elsewhere.

>And FOH with the notion that someone has to have kids to know
>that beating them with a switch is wrong. That's the dumbest
>piece of logic this subject has seen, at least after "well my
>daddy beat me and his daddy beat him, so it must be ok!"

I'm against what AP did but I'm also against anybody who has 0 children telling parents how to raise their children. When those people have brought a child into the world and understand firsthand how difficult it can be at times, I have 0 fucks to give about what they have to say.

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327. "Meanwhile, I don't even know who you are. "
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>These type of comments are why people don't care what you or
>SoWhat have to say when it comes to discipline. For one you
>don't know me nor do you know how I was raised. Therefore,
>take that bullshit elsewhere.

Actually, we're both pretty much on point on the subject. That's the issue you have. The end.


>I'm against what AP did but I'm also against anybody who has 0
>children telling parents how to raise their children. When
>those people have brought a child into the world and
>understand firsthand how difficult it can be at times, I have
>0 fucks to give about what they have to say.

Cool story bro. You don't need to have kids to know abusing them is wrong. If you're against what AP did, then there should be NO problem with childless people agreeing that such actions are awful.

You don't make a word of sense.

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276. "Only in OKPland"
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Never been married - stfu about married life, your thoughts are not needed

Never had kids - stfu about raising or disciplining kids, your thoughts are not needed

BUT

Not a psychologist or psychiatrist, speaking on the short and long term effects of various forms of physical discipline and what it does to the brain is cool and fair game.


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283. "Ok. Are you saying that all or some physical discipline is the issues?"
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Are you talking about methods or frequency?

And I do agree that if you don't have experience in some areas like marriage and some instances of child rearing then you need to stay out of those areas.





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303. "RE: Ok. Are you saying that all or some physical discipline is the issue..."
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>Are you talking about methods or frequency?
>
>And I do agree that if you don't have experience in some areas
>like marriage and some instances of child rearing then you
>need to stay out of those areas.


The point I was trying to make (sorry if I didn't make it clear enough) is the hypocrisy that some people make, that if you don't have the experience on a particular topic then you should not offer any thoughts or ideas. But when it comes to a topic that someone has to spend many years studying, everyone not just those with PHDs on the end of their name, can speak on as if their thoughts or ideas are somehow valid.

*No Snark* To those people that make the claim that if someone doesn't have children their thoughts or ideas are invalid on the topic, then the people who don't have a PHD at the end of their name, their thoughts or ideas are just as invalid on the topic of how physical discipline affects the brain. You can not pick and chose where to apply the experience card.

  

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284. "you mean people on a message board have opinions?"
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312. "I am talking about people being consistent in their opinions."
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A person can not claim the experience card on the topic of child discipline (if you don't have children then you need to stfu), then try to speak as though they have the scientific background to say whether or not physical discipline is harmful and how it affects the brain. If you do not have a PHD at the end of your name then you need to stfu about physical discipline and its effects on the brain. "I was physically disciplined and turned out just fine" does not mean you can speak intelligently on the effects that physical discipline does to the brain in the short and long term.

  

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340. "OK, so to recap, if you don't have a PhD, you can't have an opinion"
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Or, failing a PhD, if you are a numbnuts who had three kids by age 16, you are EXTREMELY qualified as opposed to the somewhat well-read but less experienced person. Got it. Cool.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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299. "The funniest part of comments like that"
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is that people on here will run their mouths nonstop about shit they don't understand at all, like all day every day.

  

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311. "well, I *am* a psychologist and corporal punishment isnt good"
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p.e.r.i.o.d.





>Never been married - stfu about married life, your thoughts
>are not needed
>
>Never had kids - stfu about raising or disciplining kids, your
>thoughts are not needed
>
>BUT
>
>Not a psychologist or psychiatrist, speaking on the short and
>long term effects of various forms of physical discipline and
>what it does to the brain is cool and fair game.
>
>
>*SMH*

  

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316. "RE: well, I *am* a psychologist and corporal punishment isnt good"
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That's My Point!!!

Read #303 and #312

You are the person on this board that has the experience and can speak intelligently on this subject. You have many years of study and practice. The people that don't, need to stfu about physical discipline and its effects on the brain in the short and long term, cause more times than not they are the ones who make the claim that if someone doesn't have children then they need to stfu about the topic of child discipline. I am saying those people can not pick and choose where to apply the experience card, cause they seem to only do it where it suits their beliefs.

  

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318. "RE: well, I *am* a psychologist and corporal punishment isnt good"
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Sat Sep-13-14 08:31 PM by rdhull

  

          

>That's My Point!!!
>
>Read #303 and #312
>
>You are the person on this board that has the experience and
>can speak intelligently on this subject. You have many years
>of study and practice. The people that don't, need to stfu
>about physical discipline and its effects on the brain in the
>short and long term, cause more times than not they are the
>ones who make the claim that if someone doesn't have children
>then they need to stfu about the topic of child discipline. I
>am saying those people can not pick and choose where to apply
>the experience card, cause they seem to only do it where it
>suits their beliefs.
>


I dont think the people against physical punishment are picking and choosing though. And the research is out there, now public knowledge for the layman, it doesnt take an expert to know in this day and age that its been proven that it has negative effects generally.

There's a plethora of information on how to discipline without hitting etc..we all know this

  

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321. "RE: well, I *am* a psychologist and corporal punishment isnt good"
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>I dont think the people against physical punishment are
>picking and choosing though. And the research is out there,
>now public knowledge for the layman, it doesnt take an expert
>to know in this day and age that its been proven that it has
>negative effects generally.

We are on the same side on this topic. (I am sorry if I am not making myself clear on this.) I am not talking about the people who are against physical punishment. I am talking about the people picking and choosing when and where to apply the experience card. The people who use the experience card are not applying it with consistency. A person can not claim "if you don't have children then you need to stfu about raising or disciplining children" then turn around and try to speak as though they have a scientific background and can speak intelligently on the effects of physical discipline just because "I was physicaly disciplined (abused) and I turned out just fine". I prefer facts and studies over individual anecdotal experiences. The person that makes that claim, who does not have a PHD at the end of their name needs to stfu.

Maybe I am going overboard. Maybe I am wrong. If I am and you or someone else can show me a better way of thinking about this, I am willing to listen and learn. You are someone, because or your experience, I would be willing to listen to and learn from.


>There's a plethora of information on how to discipline without
>hitting etc..we all know this

Reading some of the replies on this topic from some people, it seems like we *ALL* don't.

  

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300. "i cannot WAIT to see the bullshit your kids get into as teens"
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i really cant.

sowhat, god bless you, dognuts i sincerely pray that you meet the man of your dreams & i hope yall adopt & have mad kids & dont lay a FINGER on their ass their whole lives & when they get to be 13-18 or so? big as you in other words?

and start wilding the fuck out?

i REALLY wanna be here. i hope youre still here. i hope you make a post in confession wednesday detailing ALLL the shit you tried to get thru to Sowhat jr

punishment.
took his electronics
denied him his lil ceasars

whatever!

im going to party so damn hard off that reply. WHEW. man i cant even describe how im looking forward to that shit


does it really matter?

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301. "Bin, honey...."
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you do know that there are PLENTY parents in the world who never hit their children and whose children turn out just fine. it happens. it happens more often than not, actually. b/c, i mean, most parents don't hit their kids.

and yes, i also know that plenty parents hit their kids and those kids turn out just fine.

the reason i rail against hitting kids is b/c i don't think the risk of harming them with violence is worth whatever benefit. especially since the same benefit can be gained w/o hitting the kids. if hitting kids was the only way to turn out fine adults then i'd feel differently, i think. but since i know that it's possible and even likely that kids who aren't hit will turn out fine i don't support hitting kids.

and i don't think that parents who hit their kids are bad ppl, necessarily. yeah, i look at you ppl sideways. yes, i don't want to be around your kids when you are with them b/c i don't want to have to witness you do something awful to them in my presence. yes, if i had kids i would not ever leave them in your company alone b/c i wouldn't trust you not to hit them. but that's all water under the bridge, really. b/c i'm not ever going to be around you and your kids at the same time and you won't ever even see my kids should i have them. so these are wasted thoughts, really.

also, i fully understand the impulse that drives a parent to want to hit their child. i get why parents do it. and i still feel the way i feel about it.

i'm sure if i had kids i would still feel the way i do but i doubt i'd talk about it as 'much' as i do now. b/c i'd have better understanding for how hard it is for you ppl to do the right thing for your kids and how much that preoccupies your thoughts and drives so many decisions you make. and i'd have more empathy for you ppl than i do if i were one of you. b/c it'd be more difficult for me to judge you as i'd fear being judged on the issue myself.

kinda like the way the anti-gays can stand in such staunch judgment of the gays - b/c that's not their issue and it won't ever be and they have no or little empathy. or the non-blacks can so easily judge black ppl's conduct. and on and on.

i see it. and i still feel the way i do about this issue.

fuck you.

  

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304. "ill be here in 2025 of course. so when it happens, tell me abt it."
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im going to laugh myself into a coma

  

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306. "you know what...lemme lay out a scenario. you tell me"
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what you would do exactly.

ok?

lets say, sowhat jr is fucking up in school. hes having discipline issues. his grades are plummeting. lets say he's....11. not too big. not too little. his teacher calls you, Mr. Sowhat...sowhat jr is very disrespectful to me in class, and im really at a loss as to what I need to do, please help.

this is not the 1st instances hes had this kind of thing happen. or the 2nd.

now, he comes home from school...stomps in...slams his door.

what do you do?


does it really matter?

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308. "i bring my loaded pistol w/me to his bedroom."
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and i open the door. i sit down on his bed. that i paid for. and i place my loaded pistol on his nightstand. that i paid for.

and i calmly explain to him that i won't tolerate the behavior i heard about from his teacher. i won't tolerate the slamming of my door. and if he turns it around as of now we wouldn't have any problems.

and i'd get up, pick up my loaded pistol, and leave the room.

but i wouldn't hit the boy. b/c that's child abuse.

fuck you.

  

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313. "well...wasnt expecting that response."
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LOL

  

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315. "oh ok. "
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383. "So if he keeps fuckin up, you gonna keep pullin' the thang out..."
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even tho u don't plan to bang?

Because if you use the pistol on him, that's child abuse too.





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384. "U joking right?"
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307. "these controversies are really exposing people"
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seen a lot of "heel turns" I thought I'd never see.

and just so as not to appear ambiguous, I agree with the subject line of this post.

I have never been a fan of corporal punishment, for a number of reasons. just because (our) parents did it doesn't make it acceptable or humane.

this particular incident is extreme. this isn't "swat on the butt" territory. dude fucked up.

  

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310. "SO serious. This is CRAZY to see who is in here sayin what.."
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309. "OMG I CAN'T with this post!! This is NOT an anti-discipline issue!!!!"
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that man abused his little boy. period.

why all you mfz up in here talking about "KIDS NEED WHUPPED" "GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR KIDS IF YOU DON'T WHUPP EM"

the FUCK??!!

that man. stuffed his little boy's mouth full of fucking leaves. he then proceeded to strip him naked and WHIP him with a fucking SWITCH. cutting open his legs and back. he WHIPPED that child on his bare genitals. left him bruised and BLEEDING. a FOUR YEAR OLD. for PUSHING his brother. he did that disgusting shit to him for PUSHING someone else.

let me teach you to not push people! take off your clothes so i can make you bleed!

the same man who's 2 year old son was beaten to death by his ex's boyfriend less than a year ago.

the man who JUST A YEAR AGO LOST A CHILD 18 MONTHS YOUNGER THAN THIS BOY TO CHILD ABUSE.

whyyyyyyyy are you mfz up in here RALLYING for corporal punishment?? the FUCK is wrong with you???

same thing as the people up in the video post of janay getting knocked the fuck out talkin bout "men shouldn't be held to a double standard"

same thing. WRONG fucking time. if you believe in healthy corporal punishment you should be the FIRST one to speak out against abuse.

you pickin the WRONG time to stand on your soapbox. how the FUCK you use the obvious and undeniable abuse of a little child only a year away from being a fucking TODDLER to rally that people need to be able to physically punish their children!?

dumb. and blind.

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314. "some ppl think what AP did is wrong though it's not always wrong"
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to beat a 4 yr old w/a switch. they'd likely say that if AP hadn't left a mark on the boy the beating would've been fine w/them.

if i'd titled the post 'Beating a 4 yr old w/a switch until he bleeds is reprehensible' there'd be more agreement.

fuck you.

  

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322. "And even that's only because it means getting caught."
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>to beat a 4 yr old w/a switch. they'd likely say that if AP
>hadn't left a mark on the boy the beating would've been fine
>w/them.

Let's face facts: the only reason that's the established limit is because marks=evidence.

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320. "thank and you"
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324. "Exactly!!! "
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What's so ironic is the people talking about "I don't know why Ray Rice wife stayed after he beat her" are quick to say out the other side of their mouth, "my parents beat me and I turned out okay. They loved me," and are the same people that can't recognize abuse child abuse when it's obvious. Not only that, they are eager to do the same to their child.
Interesting...

The pathology is obvious.
The studies about corporal punishment and it's affect on social and emotional development, as well as intelligence are out there and are not in dispute by reputable organizations... but no, lets ignore science and hold on to that old slave master mother-wit.



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329. "Well I don't say that"
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As far as she goes, I think she keeps losing. Her dude hits her if she gets out of hand so she tries to be supportive and understanding. Then the video comes out, he mad, she try a calm him down and now they taking his money away so she feeling that loss and having to calm him so he won't hit her again.

She keep losing.

kids tho? Should never be made to feel like shit. No one should but especially not kids. U have to protect and uplift the kids. People have to have good times to fall back on. Good memories

That's why you do extra for the kids.

respect should be understood early. There is a time and a place and a way for discipline.

no one should feel like shit.
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328. "ok he wrong as a mf. I didn't know all dat"
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337. "complete insanity."
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Nigga I'm FAST....*pyoon*
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344. "put ur gotdamb caplocks away and read the post instead of skimming"
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There's a discussion within the discussion

its a 300+ post

y r u expecting every reply to address the topic specifically




that man abused his little boy. period.
>
>why all you mfz up in here talking about "KIDS NEED WHUPPED"
>"GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR KIDS IF YOU DON'T WHUPP EM"
>
>the FUCK??!!
>
>that man. stuffed his little boy's mouth full of fucking
>leaves. he then proceeded to strip him naked and WHIP him with
>a fucking SWITCH. cutting open his legs and back. he WHIPPED
>that child on his bare genitals. left him bruised and
>BLEEDING. a FOUR YEAR OLD. for PUSHING his brother. he did
>that disgusting shit to him for PUSHING someone else.
>
>let me teach you to not push people! take off your clothes so
>i can make you bleed!
>
>the same man who's 2 year old son was beaten to death by his
>ex's boyfriend less than a year ago.
>
>the man who JUST A YEAR AGO LOST A CHILD 18 MONTHS YOUNGER
>THAN THIS BOY TO CHILD ABUSE.
>
>whyyyyyyyy are you mfz up in here RALLYING for corporal
>punishment?? the FUCK is wrong with you???
>
>same thing as the people up in the video post of janay getting
>knocked the fuck out talkin bout "men shouldn't be held to a
>double standard"
>
>same thing. WRONG fucking time. if you believe in healthy
>corporal punishment you should be the FIRST one to speak out
>against abuse.
>
>you pickin the WRONG time to stand on your soapbox. how the
>FUCK you use the obvious and undeniable abuse of a little
>child only a year away from being a fucking TODDLER to rally
>that people need to be able to physically punish their
>children!?
>
>dumb. and blind.
>
>...
>
>Vee is I and I am She
>
>...
>
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367. "pretty much. and i support whoopins. but AP is ridiculous for this."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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368. "you definitely didn't read through this post sis"
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Everybody is in agreement with AP being wrong as fuck. No debating that at all. Most of this post is people debating whether spanking your children is right/wrong. We have all the parenting experts telling people how they should handle their children. That's where the majority of the back n forth is.

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388. "^^ ALL OF THIS ^^"
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346. "what AP did was abuse.... "
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I don't have kids but if and when I do they will get spankings if they need them.

My sister in law is all about time outs and talking to kids like adults. But you know what eventually happens? The kids try to debate her and use big words tomargue about why they should be able to stay up late or get anither snack...

and like any parent with 4 kids... She gets fed up and spanks them when all the other shit doesnt work.

They cry, fall asleep and the next day begins.

Those who never spank... good luck. They say it works but IMO kids are bad a fuck these days and parents look like they are afraid of their kids in public.







  

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348. "Yeah people are gonna judge u regardless tho"
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For being too lenient for yelling too much or not enough, for popping too frequently or not enough.

There is always judgement. And I got caught up in that until I realized I was the one looking crazy.

my pastor was the one that explained that to me ironically.

along with my mom and brother.

I just had to find my own game plan and stick with it, and make sure his dad and I were on the same page.
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350. "this is common practice where i'm from. I don't see the problem"
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356. "the end result is all around you"
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363. "i want to add this clarification"
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i have no problem with the switch as a disciplinary tool. This cat may very well have gone overboard with it, but he could have gone overboard with a belt or with his hands too. The switch itself is not the problem. Just like anything else it can be used improperly.

I haven't read the details of this case and I don't intend to because I don't care to read about people's personal lives.

  

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365. "What's to clarify? We got that from your first post."
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exactopposite
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366. "didn't want to seem like I was condoning abuse nm"
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Cold Truth
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370. "Oh but you do"
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Sun Sep-14-14 10:34 AM by Cold Truth

  

          

You have a broad enough opinion on what constitutes abuse that you include a switch in your list of acceptable tools of "discipline".

So yes, you condone abuse.

Casting a wide net on what you believe DOESN'T constitute abuse doesn't mean you don't condone abuse.

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“Why didn’t you do this in your own god damn country?"

-All Stah's view on undocumented immigrants wanting to be treated like human beings.

  

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exactopposite
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376. "i'm not big on spanking children in general actually"
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I think it's necessary sometimes but it's way over done. The only point I was trying to make it if you are going to beat a kid to discipline them using a switch doesn't make it worse than using a belt or whatever. I say this as someone who has experienced both. Granted all this is just my opinion.

As someone who doesn't have kids and is never responsible for taking care of kids I don't have a big stake in this. I also don't spend time thinking about how to discipline children.

I'm not bout to be on here debating with y'all about this shit. It's really not worth my time.

  

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371. "What AP Did was excessive and wrong. period. "
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He should apologize to his son and seek counseling for his family. Imo
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lfresh
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386. "RE: Beating a 4 yr old with a switch is reprehensible."
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Agreed
This was abuse
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Calico
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390. "yeah, yeah, you mad, we get it"
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AP WAS wrong...he shouldn'r apologize to the public or face criminal charges...he should apologize to his son and ex for going overboard whooping his son...i'm not for whooping kids period, but i understand and dude obviously got outta hand this time...it's really a private matter that should be handled between AP his ex and the kid, without all the bruising...

i do understand that AP should be off the field til the matter is resolvedf legally...

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391. "i've never come close..."
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and i have survived switch hittings.

like, don't touch my child and we kewl.

  

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