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"The Beatles: essential lessons in rock'n'roll"


  

          

Let's begin. Phases in their career will be posted one by one.


-p.e.a.c.e.
John Book

  

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I am extremely excited
Apr 01st 2005
1
The Beatles: most overrated band ever?
Apr 01st 2005
2
Sometimes
Apr 01st 2005
3
calling them overrated is also cliche.
Apr 01st 2005
6
      yet I just keep talking
Apr 01st 2005
7
      no no no
Apr 01st 2005
10
           *whew*
Apr 01st 2005
13
      RE: calling them overrated is also cliche.
Apr 01st 2005
12
           okay yeah.
Apr 01st 2005
19
           The impact is undeniable, yes.
Apr 01st 2005
29
                how is the impact undeniable?
Apr 01st 2005
48
                     RE: how is the impact undeniable?
Apr 01st 2005
55
                     the Word
Apr 02nd 2005
242
                     Sinatra was doing concept albums over a decade earlier
Apr 04th 2005
355
                          Correct
Apr 04th 2005
356
                               Just to be clear:
Apr 04th 2005
362
                                    I didn't make that comparison at all
Apr 04th 2005
367
                                         Fair enough - I misinterpreted you then
Apr 04th 2005
370
                                              LOL, and that would be scary n/m
Apr 04th 2005
371
                     a list:
Apr 01st 2005
59
                          i didn't mean impact in real life, I mean musically
Apr 01st 2005
67
                               Stevie Wonder, "If You Really Love Me"
Apr 01st 2005
73
                               Pet Sounds was inspired by Rubber Soul
Apr 01st 2005
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                               nah... it was spurred on by Rubber Soul
Apr 01st 2005
86
                               I'm eprsonally looking for a J. Beez With the Remedy link to the Beatle...
Apr 01st 2005
172
           Eddie's solo aint what Makes "Jump" the best Van Halen song
Apr 01st 2005
38
                "Jump" is not the best Van Halen tune though
Apr 01st 2005
44
                     'best Van Halen tune' is an oxymoronic phrase
Apr 02nd 2005
265
                          RE: 'best Van Halen tune' is an oxymoronic phrase
Apr 03rd 2005
306
the thing is
Apr 01st 2005
9
whoa whoa whoa
Apr 01st 2005
11
i could never tolerate 'Hey Bulldog'.
Apr 01st 2005
16
Its a very unusual album
Apr 01st 2005
27
      Post up the whole album!
Apr 01st 2005
31
      orchestrations and all?
Apr 01st 2005
33
           I gotta rip stuff of my iPod
Apr 01st 2005
36
      i've heard it before.
Apr 01st 2005
37
           do you mean too much good
Apr 01st 2005
41
                bad.
Apr 01st 2005
43
                     RE: bad.
Apr 01st 2005
                          YELLOW SUBMARINE EP LINK
Apr 01st 2005
68
                               "It's all too much" is the SHIT
Apr 02nd 2005
253
co-sine
Apr 04th 2005
346
RE: the thing is
Apr 01st 2005
it's cool for about a minute.
Apr 01st 2005
22
I just heard Hey Bulldog a month or so ago
Apr 01st 2005
20
      like Stevie Wonder's 70s songs
Apr 01st 2005
24
           That's good too
Apr 01st 2005
28
           i love "Your Mother Should Know" & "Blue Jay Way"
Apr 01st 2005
42
                Blue Jay Way scares the hell out of me
Apr 01st 2005
45
                     the way the strings echo at the end...
Apr 01st 2005
46
                          what are your feelings on the rest of magical mystery tour?
Apr 01st 2005
50
                               it's great.
Apr 01st 2005
52
                                    I dont really like Fool on the Hill either
Apr 01st 2005
56
                                    FOTH is awful.
Apr 01st 2005
66
                                         Fool On The Hill is great!
Apr 01st 2005
70
                                              of course.
Apr 01st 2005
76
                                                   ha!
Apr 01st 2005
144
                                    Strawberry Fields
Apr 02nd 2005
210
           LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Apr 01st 2005
173
                you laugh....
Apr 02nd 2005
241
When another band goes for 7 years
Apr 01st 2005
15
RE: When another band goes for 7 years
Apr 01st 2005
25
word.
Apr 01st 2005
34
LOL at "Piper"
Apr 01st 2005
39
      Syd's solo stuff from the seventies ...
Apr 01st 2005
176
           Syd went totally insane
Apr 02nd 2005
211
                you know how the rest of the band got rid of syd?
Apr 02nd 2005
266
on the white album they just adopted different sensibilities
Apr 01st 2005
53
cosign
Apr 05th 2005
391
people who make that claim= least informed music fans
Apr 16th 2005
490
RE: Dope, and...
Apr 01st 2005
4
The Beatles aren't James Joyce!
Apr 01st 2005
5
Yeah, they had this superlative, natural grasp of melody ...
Apr 01st 2005
8
yup
Apr 01st 2005
169
Nobody fucks with Beatles' catalogue, nobody ...
Apr 01st 2005
14
RE: Nobody fucks with Beatles' catalogue, nobody ...
Apr 01st 2005
17
Yep Help is amazing
Apr 01st 2005
35
Shit ...
Apr 01st 2005
54
Meet the Beatles >>>> With the Beatles/Please Please Me
Apr 01st 2005
58
      The American versions suck ass
Apr 01st 2005
61
           same here, except for meet the beatles
Apr 01st 2005
65
                i only know the UK Revolver
Apr 01st 2005
69
                its missing three lennon tracks
Apr 01st 2005
72
                     3 great tracks
Apr 02nd 2005
212
                     Apparently Paul hated Your Bird can Sing
Apr 02nd 2005
264
                          The rest of the Beatles hated
Apr 03rd 2005
282
                          the version of "your bird can sing" on the anthology is hilarious
Apr 03rd 2005
330
                               yeah i love that too.
Apr 04th 2005
357
                                    link? anybody? please? i wanna hear too
Apr 05th 2005
381
                                         if somebody dont beat me to it i'll hook it up this evening
Apr 05th 2005
383
                                         And Now The Link
Apr 06th 2005
407
                I grew up with the American versions
Apr 01st 2005
78
HELP!
Apr 01st 2005
161
most would be over the moon with just Let It Be
Apr 01st 2005
21
Two of Us
Apr 01st 2005
32
Don't forget
Apr 01st 2005
23
      I don't see where the hate comes from
Apr 01st 2005
40
           the hate comes from it not living up to the other albums
Apr 01st 2005
47
           They should have waited and released abbey road after it
Apr 01st 2005
51
           Abbey Road was the last one they recorded though
Apr 01st 2005
57
                Abbey Road was recorded last yeah
Apr 01st 2005
60
                they knew some
Apr 01st 2005
62
                I'm not sure
Apr 01st 2005
75
                The Let it Be songs were heavily bootlegged
Apr 01st 2005
64
           it's like the 'love movement' of their catalogue
Apr 05th 2005
390
           It;s not really hate
Apr 01st 2005
102
this is great, now i can learn the right way
Apr 01st 2005
18
all you had to do was ask
Apr 01st 2005
30
This post is going triple plat by next week
Apr 01st 2005
26
Ok Beatles Starter Kit #1 - The Early Years
Apr 01st 2005
49
Ok Beatles Starter Kit #2 - The Later Years
Apr 01st 2005
113
      IMO this is the worst possible way to be intro'd to the beatles
Apr 01st 2005
122
           You think?
Apr 01st 2005
132
           well .....
Apr 01st 2005
147
                I feel you 100%
Apr 02nd 2005
206
           i disagree
Apr 02nd 2005
243
Who wrote In My Life, Lennon or McCartney?
Apr 01st 2005
63
well if thats the case then both
Apr 01st 2005
77
the melody is quite McCartney-ish though
Apr 01st 2005
92
      why would you believe paul more?
Apr 01st 2005
94
           McCartney wasn't on heroine, and Lennon admitted lying over Two of Us
Apr 01st 2005
106
that was back when they often worked together though.
Apr 01st 2005
79
there's only two Beatles songs with disputed authorship
Apr 01st 2005
87
      naw theres definitely more disputed
Apr 01st 2005
90
      oh.
Apr 01st 2005
93
its an unbelievable song and i know you always push the melody
Apr 01st 2005
88
whats mindblowing is how young john was when he wrote that song
Apr 01st 2005
96
"in my life" makes me cry buckets lol
Apr 02nd 2005
251
      yes! that's the first time i heard it
Apr 02nd 2005
271
           OMG I know right?
Apr 03rd 2005
329
                that's powerful music doggie
Apr 05th 2005
387
i think i like the Judy Collins version more than theirs.
Apr 01st 2005
95
Joe Cocker almost murdered A Littlfe Help From My Friends for me
Apr 01st 2005
105
      *gasp*
Apr 01st 2005
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      Never heard it but
Apr 01st 2005
111
           stop the insanity!
Apr 01st 2005
115
                lol
Apr 01st 2005
117
      i liked the joe cocker version
Apr 01st 2005
120
      RE: i liked the joe cocker version
Apr 01st 2005
121
      really?
Apr 01st 2005
125
           Yep
Apr 01st 2005
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                that mustve been years ago
Apr 01st 2005
133
                     Wait!
Apr 01st 2005
137
                          dawg....
Apr 01st 2005
150
                               I'd like to see what they do with Donna
Apr 01st 2005
154
                                    its the beatles of network dramas!
Apr 01st 2005
155
                                         It's crack
Apr 01st 2005
159
                                              season 4 on dvd
Apr 01st 2005
160
                                                   I watched 4 episodes around Feb of last year on bravo
Apr 01st 2005
171
      I think the best version Cocker did was the one at Woodstock (1969)
Apr 03rd 2005
281
           THE SECOND best version Cocker did was the one at Woodstock (1969)
Apr 03rd 2005
307
      Aretha Franklin beatles covers
Apr 01st 2005
138
           McLemore Avenue-Booker T and the MGs
Apr 01st 2005
140
           i really wanna hear this
Apr 01st 2005
164
                I've got it
Apr 01st 2005
202
           I saw Eleanor Rigby on iTunes
Apr 01st 2005
142
           ahem (link), its exxelent
Apr 01st 2005
151
           Thanks
Apr 01st 2005
156
           are u kidding? Eleanor Rigby is pure brilliance
Apr 02nd 2005
250
           Really terrible, actually
Apr 23rd 2005
525
           From what I had heard (about Aretha)...
Apr 04th 2005
368
In my life
Apr 01st 2005
182
the general rule of thumb was...
Apr 05th 2005
393
Frat house anecdote
Apr 01st 2005
71
if you become....NAKED
Apr 01st 2005
82
I read a book called "tell me why"
Apr 01st 2005
83
SGT. PEPPER LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND
Apr 01st 2005
74
i tend to agree
Apr 01st 2005
91
How can I recognize an original pressing?
Apr 01st 2005
99
if you paid $2 for it at Amoeba
Apr 01st 2005
100
even 2nd pressings are valuable with The Beatles
Apr 01st 2005
141
original is either in mono or stereo, and...
Apr 01st 2005
145
      RE: original is either in mono or stereo, and...
Apr 03rd 2005
285
           Here's a quote about the mono pressing
Apr 03rd 2005
286
                Hmmm
Apr 03rd 2005
287
RE: SGT. PEPPER LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND
Apr 02nd 2005
249
This is
Apr 01st 2005
80
what's the problem, wendell?
Apr 01st 2005
149
      I thought
Apr 03rd 2005
312
           When I made my initial post, I was writing the first entry, and...
Apr 03rd 2005
314
                I know
Apr 03rd 2005
331
                     nigga stfu.
Apr 04th 2005
358
                          Ha!
Apr 04th 2005
363
                               *does The Twist*
Apr 04th 2005
366
                                    lmao!!! n/m
Apr 07th 2005
441
The Beatles vs. The Beach Boys
Apr 01st 2005
84
why you gotta bring this up?
Apr 01st 2005
157
the beginning: 1956-1963
Apr 01st 2005
85
Thanks john
Apr 01st 2005
89
there's been quite a few
Apr 01st 2005
148
Nice
Apr 01st 2005
103
wow.. thanks john
Apr 01st 2005
112
nice read
Apr 08th 2005
446
Oh yeah, and logically THE WHITE ALBUM *is* the best Beatles LP
Apr 01st 2005
97
well, no.
Apr 01st 2005
98
Abbey Road vs. Revolver vs. Sgt. Pepper
Apr 01st 2005
114
yes.
Apr 01st 2005
116
RE: well, no.
Apr 01st 2005
119
i go with sgt pepper
Apr 01st 2005
104
that's like saying
Apr 05th 2005
395
      there is not "a lot" of stuff that is tedious
Apr 05th 2005
400
           I see what you're saying but...
Apr 06th 2005
418
An Experiment: The White Album Poll
Apr 01st 2005
101
i'm not satisfied w/this list.
Apr 01st 2005
107
Mr. So What, you nailed it!!! Great list
Apr 05th 2005
385
RE: An Experiment: The White Album Poll
Apr 01st 2005
109
I'll take your top three and So What's bottom two
Apr 01st 2005
110
RE: An Experiment: The White Album Poll
Apr 01st 2005
118
wow
Apr 01st 2005
123
this is like choosing between your children!
Apr 01st 2005
124
RE: An Experiment: The White Album Poll
Apr 01st 2005
126
i uhh....
Apr 01st 2005
127
lists are always hard, but *this*?
Apr 01st 2005
158
in order
Apr 02nd 2005
225
heer
Apr 02nd 2005
260
RE: An Experiment: The White Album Poll
Apr 02nd 2005
272
RE: An Experiment: The White Album Poll
Apr 04th 2005
361
John killed that album
Apr 04th 2005
375
      Dear Prudence is my favorite Beatle song
Apr 05th 2005
392
who is listening to the beatles right now?
Apr 01st 2005
128
everybody's got something to hide,
Apr 01st 2005
131
Rubber Soul was on when I first saw this thread.
Apr 01st 2005
134
I'm giving Meet The Beatles another shot
Apr 01st 2005
136
I'm bout to throw on the abbey road wax right now -walks away-
Apr 02nd 2005
207
Let It Be (Naked)
Apr 01st 2005
129
i bought it
Apr 01st 2005
135
      RE: i bought it
Apr 01st 2005
146
           the stripped down aspect was what i think made me have such high expecta...
Apr 01st 2005
152
                RE: the stripped down aspect was what i think made me have such high exp...
Apr 01st 2005
153
Remembering George Harrison by Ravi Shankar (swipe)
Apr 01st 2005
139
the craze: 1964
Apr 01st 2005
143
america discovered the beatles as a complete package
Apr 01st 2005
162
LOL @ this post blowing up
Apr 01st 2005
163
beatle-mania all over again?
Apr 01st 2005
165
I know, and I have three more years to go!!!
Apr 01st 2005
187
a question ...
Apr 01st 2005
177
      This think it's the the Beatles Anthology book i got
Apr 01st 2005
178
           damn ...
Apr 01st 2005
195
A Hard Days Night (album & movie)
Apr 01st 2005
166
I too saw it in theatres a couple years ago
Apr 02nd 2005
221
the calm: 1965
Apr 01st 2005
167
man...you are killing this thread
Apr 01st 2005
174
i have a question too
Apr 01st 2005
180
Ringo began playing with them in August 1962
Apr 01st 2005
188
Yeah that's Paul on Back In the USSR
Apr 01st 2005
190
Paul didn't really respect Ringo after a while
Apr 05th 2005
397
That is just the beginning
Apr 02nd 2005
213
nice summary
Apr 02nd 2005
237
thank u john/norwegian wood
Apr 07th 2005
440
The Yellow Submarine - movie and music
Apr 01st 2005
168
The Beatles and Orientalism
Apr 01st 2005
170
is indian considered oriental?
Apr 01st 2005
175
      In terms of the British Colonial Imaginary ...
Apr 01st 2005
179
The Beatles - 1962 Live Recordings
Apr 01st 2005
181
I have the Beatles Anthology book
Apr 01st 2005
183
The Beatles Live At Budokan Hall (1966)
Apr 01st 2005
184
Thank you
Apr 02nd 2005
214
Can somebody post "The Night Before?"
Apr 01st 2005
185
Here ya go
Apr 01st 2005
189
      bless you, sire
Apr 02nd 2005
247
the storm: 1966
Apr 01st 2005
186
minor note-
Apr 01st 2005
191
I've heard it being a reference to both at different times
Apr 01st 2005
193
I think your right
Apr 02nd 2005
219
btw,
Apr 01st 2005
192
WHOA ... Hold the Press!
Apr 01st 2005
198
"The Void" was the working title to "Tomorrow Never Knows"
Apr 01st 2005
203
      *breathing normal again*
Apr 02nd 2005
238
George Martin is the 5th Beatle
Apr 02nd 2005
215
The Beatles 5th LP (Help!)
Apr 01st 2005
194
here ...
Apr 01st 2005
199
      Hmmm?
Apr 01st 2005
201
The Beatles - Live At Candlestick Park (1965)
Apr 01st 2005
196
thanks-
Apr 01st 2005
197
      lol
Apr 01st 2005
200
           aw
Apr 02nd 2005
222
the ride: 1967
Apr 01st 2005
204
THIS
Apr 02nd 2005
216
If you're listening in stereo, otherwise...
Apr 02nd 2005
217
      a question about George Martin
Apr 04th 2005
347
           In the early days, they left mixing duties to George Martin...
Apr 04th 2005
353
I love that two-second scramble of laughter
Apr 02nd 2005
228
Magical Mystery Tour
Apr 02nd 2005
274
      I love the movie, actually, but yes...
Apr 03rd 2005
279
           interesting
Apr 03rd 2005
295
                The Inner Light was recorded in early 1968
Apr 03rd 2005
304
I must admit, I don't care about the Beatles... at all.
Apr 01st 2005
205
As a Hawaiian, I am equally fascinated by black soul music as well
Apr 02nd 2005
208
Just
Apr 02nd 2005
218
Many people have felt like this
Apr 02nd 2005
209
I honestly believe that anyone
Apr 02nd 2005
223
dissecting? wha? just enjoy the songs
Apr 02nd 2005
234
the core/corp: 1968
Apr 02nd 2005
220
I just want to say thank you for all of this John
Apr 02nd 2005
224
      Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Apr 03rd 2005
289
           are you referring to the "I need a fix" part?
Apr 03rd 2005
332
                His heroin use became more of John's story than a "Beatle" one
Apr 03rd 2005
335
                From what I know of heroin and coke, those drugs seem to match
Apr 04th 2005
341
                I'm glad that I never looked to drugs
Apr 04th 2005
344
                     it is something i've been around, but stayed away from myself
Apr 04th 2005
348
                I've read that the "monkey"
Apr 04th 2005
372
                     I wouldn't be surprised, although I also heard on a radio show that...
Apr 04th 2005
373
                im referring to The Warm Gun
Apr 05th 2005
402
                     in all fairness
Apr 06th 2005
404
                     yeah, but he still coulda co-opted it for his own meaning
Apr 09th 2005
462
                     i thought that was a sexual thing
Apr 07th 2005
442
the end: 1969
Apr 02nd 2005
226
a lot of this is news to me
Apr 02nd 2005
229
RE: a lot of this is news to me
Apr 02nd 2005
232
I Want You (She's So Heavy)
Apr 06th 2005
419
i thought ringo left already, did he come back?
Apr 08th 2005
448
      He came back during the White Album sessions
Apr 08th 2005
450
we're on our way home: 1970
Apr 02nd 2005
227
beautiful way to end it
Apr 03rd 2005
296
and another thing
Apr 03rd 2005
297
The wrap-up
Apr 02nd 2005
230
RE: The wrap-up
Apr 02nd 2005
231
*applauds*
Apr 02nd 2005
233
*standing ovation*
Apr 03rd 2005
299
fantastic, johnbook
Apr 02nd 2005
240
RESPECT
Apr 02nd 2005
245
I predict
Apr 02nd 2005
263
thanks for all that john!
Apr 02nd 2005
268
Sometime in NYC
Apr 03rd 2005
300
That was great
Apr 03rd 2005
309
Damn, homie
Apr 04th 2005
374
thank you john im beatled out, after reading all that
Apr 08th 2005
449
props to the band that got me from just R&B and rap
Apr 02nd 2005
235
everything you'd like to know (link)-
Apr 02nd 2005
236
Wow, it was scary to see all the picture sleeves in one place
Apr 02nd 2005
244
      man, how i love the backround info on "strawberry fields"-
Apr 04th 2005
365
Beatles influences
Apr 02nd 2005
239
let it be/ abbey road bootlegs: link
Apr 02nd 2005
246
oooh, thanks
Apr 02nd 2005
257
      I got the rest of the Let It Be bootlegs too
Apr 03rd 2005
283
Were the Beatles funky?
Apr 02nd 2005
248
dig it
Apr 02nd 2005
254
definitely
Apr 02nd 2005
259
I feel fine, also IMO very funky...those guitars, lawd
Apr 02nd 2005
267
I can't believe The End
Apr 03rd 2005
284
      The end of Strawberry Fields Forever
Apr 03rd 2005
334
           the stereo mix of "Strawberry Fields Forever" stands out as...
Apr 03rd 2005
336
                isnt the stereo outro slightly longer then the mono outro?
Apr 04th 2005
340
                     I know what you mean (on the $$$ thing)
Apr 04th 2005
343
You Know My Name Look Up the Number
Apr 04th 2005
359
Glass Onion
Apr 05th 2005
389
The Beatles 1st. LP (Please Please Me)
Apr 02nd 2005
252
thank u thank u thank u
Apr 02nd 2005
261
The guitars in "I feel fine" FUCKING KILL ME
Apr 02nd 2005
255
The Beatles 2nd. LP (With The Beatles)
Apr 02nd 2005
256
aw man this has "it wont be long" on it
Apr 02nd 2005
258
Hey can anyone re-up this?
Apr 06th 2005
424
RE: The Beatles 2nd. LP (With The Beatles) Re-Up
Apr 06th 2005
425
      Thanks so much
Apr 06th 2005
430
your favorite underrated beatles songs
Apr 02nd 2005
262
only one: In My Life
Apr 02nd 2005
275
and hey bullldog
Apr 03rd 2005
317
michelle.
Apr 23rd 2005
519
A Day in the Life
Apr 02nd 2005
269
i love this song...its my favorite too.
Apr 02nd 2005
270
Random thought
Apr 03rd 2005
280
After 9/11, they wouldn't play Ob La Di Ob La Da on the radio
Apr 03rd 2005
290
isn't it more "went upstairs and had a smoke". also^ why Obldi Oblida?
Apr 03rd 2005
301
      Cause the FCC is ridiculous
Apr 03rd 2005
333
      Ob La Di Ob La Da is Yoruba for Life goes on
Apr 05th 2005
396
"I Feel Fine" Live, ABC Blackpool August 1 1965
Apr 02nd 2005
273
is there anything to this norwegian wood story?
Apr 02nd 2005
276
that's true
Apr 02nd 2005
277
      i probably heard the story from you....n/m
Apr 03rd 2005
298
***BEATLES reading: some suggestions***
Apr 03rd 2005
278
Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami
Apr 03rd 2005
293
above all I recommend "Revolution in the Head"
Apr 03rd 2005
302
      Ian MacDonald
Apr 04th 2005
339
           RE: Ian MacDonald
Apr 29th 2005
551
***BEATLES on the big screen: the movies***
Apr 03rd 2005
288
Let It Be is required watching if you value Rock
Apr 03rd 2005
292
to repeat myself
Apr 03rd 2005
294
again ... Yellow Submarine
Apr 03rd 2005
305
Yellow Submarine - greatest (animated) film ever
Apr 07th 2005
443
John was HI-LARIOUS in "hard days night"
Apr 03rd 2005
311
"tell me, how did you find America?"
Apr 03rd 2005
325
remember the part
Apr 03rd 2005
328
      even better, when they're walking OFF stage
Apr 04th 2005
342
           their manager was SO funny
Apr 04th 2005
364
                I'm right bout to rewatch this movie
Apr 04th 2005
369
                     I gotta get this on DVD
Apr 04th 2005
376
                     after reading through this thread
Apr 04th 2005
377
                          "Are you a mod or a rocker?"
Apr 04th 2005
378
                               "do you have any hobbies?"
Apr 04th 2005
379
                                    HAHAHAHAHHA
Apr 05th 2005
382
                                         those two vignettes after Can't Buy Me Love
Apr 05th 2005
398
                                              I LOVE how George subtly told those fashion snobs off
Apr 05th 2005
401
but did you peep when he sniffed the Coke bottle?
Apr 05th 2005
394
      oh shit!
Apr 05th 2005
399
      ok forgive me, I'm slow but I didn't get it
Apr 06th 2005
431
           sniffing a Coca-Cola = sniffing coke (sly reference to cocaine) n/m
Apr 06th 2005
432
                ooooh ok LOL n/m
Apr 07th 2005
436
"I Wanna Hold Your Hand", the Bob Zemekis comedy
Apr 05th 2005
403
Speaking of books, anyone notice the McCartney book written...
Apr 03rd 2005
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confession time...
Apr 03rd 2005
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i find this pretentious
Apr 03rd 2005
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Now the 85 who don't have a clue have the option to learn n/m
Apr 03rd 2005
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understood
Apr 04th 2005
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      no.
Apr 04th 2005
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of course YOU do.
Apr 04th 2005
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I also recommend "The Beatles First US Visit" on DVD
Apr 03rd 2005
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***Fixing a hole: The Beatles BOOTLEGS***
Apr 03rd 2005
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Ultra Rare Tracks Vol. 2
Apr 03rd 2005
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I bought URT 1, 2, and 5 when they were released, and I also have...
Apr 03rd 2005
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the record companies should be considered bootleggers too
Apr 03rd 2005
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      with The Beatles, many of the comps are of their own doing
Apr 03rd 2005
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the beatles invented hip-hop music.
Apr 03rd 2005
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hip hop songs with beatles samples
Apr 03rd 2005
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Sounds Of Science is more then "The End"
Apr 03rd 2005
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      shit i didn't even notice that in johnny ryall
Apr 04th 2005
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Corn of the Apple (1969)
Apr 03rd 2005
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***got to get them into your life: Where To Begin (for newbies)***
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Thanks
Apr 04th 2005
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EWF version?
Apr 05th 2005
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The original had a horn section as well
Apr 06th 2005
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don't forget "Hey Jude"
Apr 05th 2005
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      there are cassette copies
Apr 06th 2005
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      I've got it
Apr 06th 2005
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           both titles apply
Apr 06th 2005
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           It was called The Beatles Again in Europe I think
Apr 06th 2005
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                Mine says "Hey Jude" on the side of the cover
Apr 06th 2005
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                     Some links of interest
Apr 06th 2005
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                          Ooooh
Apr 06th 2005
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***A Day In The Life: their original idea for "the last note"*** (link)
Apr 03rd 2005
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***even better than THE BEATLES RECORDING SESSIONS (book)?***
Apr 03rd 2005
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RE: ***even better than THE BEATLES RECORDING SESSIONS (book)?***
Apr 06th 2005
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***"Sgt. Pepper"? co-written with... Mal Evans? (article swipe)***
Apr 03rd 2005
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This just reminded me of something
Apr 04th 2005
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      they were fake (article swipe)
Apr 04th 2005
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only beatles lps i got are sgt peppers and ones
Apr 05th 2005
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Keep us updated don
Apr 05th 2005
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i played hey jude for 30 min straight yesterday man
Apr 06th 2005
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      have you bought anything yet?
Apr 06th 2005
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Lots of other great music to explore
Apr 06th 2005
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      i stumbled across the white lp used in like 98
Apr 06th 2005
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***The story of The Beatles on Vee-Jay Records (URL link)***
Apr 06th 2005
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so...when is Let It Be coming out on DVD?
Apr 06th 2005
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It's been delayed over and over, the last I heard was maybe...
Apr 06th 2005
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      please please do
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      hit me up too
Apr 07th 2005
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***LINK**Booker T & The MGs - MacLemore Avenue**LINK***
Apr 06th 2005
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oooo this should be good
Apr 07th 2005
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I finally listened to this last night
Apr 09th 2005
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RE-UP***LINK**Booker T & The MGs - MacLemore Avenue**LINK***
Apr 19th 2005
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The Beatles 3rd LP (A Hard Day's Night)
Apr 06th 2005
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The Beatles 4th LP (Beatles For Sale)
Apr 06th 2005
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***DEEP DIGGING: Collectiing Beatles Records Part 1-Acetates***
Apr 07th 2005
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The Beatles - Live At Shea Stadium (1965)
Apr 07th 2005
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i can't play these, these are rar files
Apr 07th 2005
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      look for 7-Zip file manager
Apr 07th 2005
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ringo starr
Apr 07th 2005
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Paul McCartney, 1942-1966
Apr 08th 2005
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lol, i've always liked this one
Apr 08th 2005
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I was still adding to my article that I'm writing, but you beat me to it
Apr 08th 2005
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shit, if it isn't too much trouble to finish it
Apr 08th 2005
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      nah, you applied the basics
Apr 08th 2005
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           Again, thats my FAVOURITE clue
Apr 08th 2005
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Also
Apr 08th 2005
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RE: Paul McCartney, 1942-1966
Apr 09th 2005
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RE: Beatles Drums
Apr 08th 2005
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I talked about this in my initial posts
Apr 08th 2005
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      RE: I talked about this in my initial posts
Apr 08th 2005
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           See, right there he's full of shit
Apr 08th 2005
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***PHIL SPECTOR and his relationship with The Beatles***
Apr 08th 2005
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The Beatles vs. The Isleys
Apr 09th 2005
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Perhaps another post, another time
Apr 09th 2005
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The Temple of Beatlism
Apr 09th 2005
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RE: The Temple of Beatlism
Apr 09th 2005
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great site, song-by-song info
Apr 09th 2005
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your avatar is AWESOME!
Apr 14th 2005
486
As much as I love Graham Central Station....
Apr 10th 2005
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I'm a huge GCS fan, but I've never heard their version
Apr 10th 2005
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      I can't find the CD Case...
Apr 11th 2005
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***REVOLVED: the mash up***
Apr 11th 2005
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Wow
Apr 11th 2005
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RE: ***REVOLVED: the mash up***
Apr 11th 2005
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Damn, this is good
Apr 11th 2005
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johnbook, how about bootlegs?-
Apr 11th 2005
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There's a hell of a lot to look out for
Apr 11th 2005
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      FUCK THE BEATLES
Apr 11th 2005
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      That's alright
Apr 11th 2005
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           RE: That's alright
Apr 21st 2005
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                RE: That's alright
Apr 21st 2005
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      thanks n/m
Apr 12th 2005
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The Beatles - Decca Tapes
Apr 12th 2005
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The Beatles - Dehra Dun
Apr 12th 2005
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im officially turned out on the beatles.... damnit
Apr 13th 2005
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Another thing to consider about MMT
Apr 13th 2005
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RE: The Beatles: essential lessons in rock'n'roll
Apr 13th 2005
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Plunderphonics
Apr 15th 2005
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***PAUL McCARTNEY: The Solo Years (Part I)***
Apr 15th 2005
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great! thanks!
Apr 22nd 2005
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coming soon
Apr 22nd 2005
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oh, i GOTTA ad one song not mentioned
Apr 22nd 2005
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      I'm doing a post on his singles
Apr 22nd 2005
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Just got back from Barnes & Noble
Apr 15th 2005
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The Beatles 5th LP (Help!)
Apr 17th 2005
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Favorite cover of a Beatles song
Apr 18th 2005
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I like Wilson Pickett's "Hey Jude"
Apr 18th 2005
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I dont know why
Apr 18th 2005
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nick cave - let it be (LINK)
Apr 19th 2005
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BEATLES ALBUM COVERS - your favourite? comments?
Apr 18th 2005
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actually with ABBEY ROAD...
Apr 18th 2005
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      Why is Paul barefoot in that picture?
Apr 19th 2005
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           Look at the sandals he's rocking
Apr 19th 2005
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                yep
Apr 19th 2005
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500 posts! although this place is dead as dostoyevsky
Apr 19th 2005
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Paul is Dead!
Apr 19th 2005
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The Beatles 6th LP (Rubber Soul)
Apr 20th 2005
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The Beatles 7th LP (Revolver)
Apr 20th 2005
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***THE BEATLES DisCovered (new book on Beatles cover versions)***
Apr 20th 2005
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RE: ***THE BEATLES DisCovered (new book on Beatles cover versions)***
Apr 20th 2005
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      RE: ***THE BEATLES DisCovered (new book on Beatles cover versions)***
Apr 20th 2005
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      I have no problem with that
Apr 21st 2005
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      Definitely one of the best
Apr 21st 2005
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you the man, John (and I didn't even mean Lennon)
Apr 22nd 2005
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i hope this post gets archived.
Apr 23rd 2005
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me too
Apr 23rd 2005
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The Beatles 8th LP (Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band)
Apr 23rd 2005
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***PAUL McCARTNEY: The Solo Years (Part II)***
Apr 23rd 2005
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The Beatles 9th LP (Magical Mystery Tour)
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***PAUL McCARTNEY: The Side Projects (Part III)***
Apr 23rd 2005
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***PAUL McCARTNEY Part IV: The Singles/B-sides***
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April's over already
Apr 23rd 2005
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No
Apr 23rd 2005
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Eleanor Rigby.
Apr 25th 2005
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Thus the reason for her being lonely
Apr 25th 2005
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      RE: Thus the reason for her being lonely
Apr 25th 2005
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Beautiful post...
Apr 25th 2005
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The Beatles 1st Album (Please Please Me)
Apr 25th 2005
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i have saved the Beatles!!!
Apr 25th 2005
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lol
Apr 25th 2005
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The Beatles 2nd Album (With The Beatles)
Apr 25th 2005
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The Beatles 1st American Album (Meet The Beatles)
Apr 25th 2005
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The Beatles 3rd Album (A Hard Day's Night)
Apr 25th 2005
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The Beatles 4th Album (Beatles For Sale)
Apr 25th 2005
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The Beatles 5th Album (Help!)
Apr 25th 2005
540
could Ringo have been anyone?
Apr 25th 2005
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meaning, could The Beatles have had anyone to fill his spot?
Apr 25th 2005
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CAVEMAN soundtrack by Lalo Schifrin to be released June 7th
Apr 26th 2005
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***PAUL McCARTNEY to tour later this year***
Apr 27th 2005
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$75 is cheapest?!?!?
Apr 27th 2005
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I saw Sir Paul in 2002
Apr 30th 2005
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question about abbey road/ let it be timing
Apr 27th 2005
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I Me Mine was the last Beatles song recorded, but
Apr 28th 2005
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RE: I Me Mine was the last Beatles song recorded, but
Apr 28th 2005
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That is the order in how they did it
Apr 28th 2005
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      lmao-
Apr 29th 2005
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***THE BEATLES ON APPLE RECORDS (book I got in the mail today)***
Apr 29th 2005
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Some interesting info about the U.S. pressing of THE BEATLES (White Albu...
Apr 30th 2005
553
***THE END OF BEATLES MONTH ON OKP***
Apr 30th 2005
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***P.S. one of the WORST Beatles books ever released is***
May 01st 2005
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*dead*
May 01st 2005
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1. "I am extremely excited"
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The Beatles are by far my favorite band. I will be up in here all month.

- Dub

I give rappers the biz for being m-izza-a-archaic.

  

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2. "The Beatles: most overrated band ever?"
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Isn't it just too easy to call their name when talking about "greatest bands ever"? Not trying to be a shock poster here...I just look back at their catalog and see a string of catchy pop songs followed by some really self-indulgent experimentation.

  

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3. "Sometimes"
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Something becomes cliched because it is true.
The Beatles being the best is one of those instances.
Anybody can yell about how they are the best without ever really listening, but the fact of the matter is they really are the best.

- Dub

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6. "calling them overrated is also cliche."
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i don't think anyone has anything new to say about them at this point.

fuck you.

  

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7. "yet I just keep talking"
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*hangs head*

- Dub

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10. "no no no"
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it's fine to talk about them. it's fun.

i'm just saying it's all cliche by now.

fuck you.

  

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13. "*whew*"
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Okay.

Man, I'm getting no work accomplished all month. This post could singlehandedly push me up to 5k. well, maybe not that much, but still.

- Dub

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12. "RE: calling them overrated is also cliche."
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Sure, maybe so. But it's the anchor post, so I guess we're stuck with them. But here's my reasoning: as far as pop songwriting goes, it's hard to argue with Lennon/McCartney. But performance? Paul does some nice stuff occasionally, but otherwise a lot of the actual playing is pretty brutal. Later in their career, clever use of session musicians disguised some of the shortcomings, but let's face it: Lennon and Harrison were both merely adequate on guitar, and Ringo...well, some of his beats are tough to listen to.

  

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19. "okay yeah."
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no one ever says they're the most talented musicians ever..their playing isn't what makes them the best band ever. it's about the songwriting, the production, the studio innovation, and the impact...those things make them arguably the best.

fuck you.

  

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29. "The impact is undeniable, yes."
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And if nothing else, they single-handedly shifted the focus of the industry from singles to albums.

  

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48. "how is the impact undeniable?"
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I mean maybe it is for you... are you a music historian or something?

but for most people you just can't guage their "impact" by listening
I'm not even sure about the "album" thing. Maybe they were the first to do albums with no filler, i've heard that before

but everyone always harps on about their impact... and it's just an attempt to hold weight in an argument (they either don't know the beatles catalogue or they feel inadequate about not liking it)

  

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55. "RE: how is the impact undeniable?"
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>I mean maybe it is for you... are you a music historian or
>something?

just an amateur, like everybody else.

>but for most people you just can't guage their "impact" by
>listening
>I'm not even sure about the "album" thing. Maybe they were the
>first to do albums with no filler, i've heard that before

It was with "Revolver" and "Rubber Soul"--that period. A lot of "experts" suggest that these were the first cohesive "albums," in the sense that they weren't simply a collection of previously released singles, which so many early rock "albums" were. Their success proved to the industry that the public would buy the concept of the album (having not heard much of the music on them), and the industry's focus shifted accordingly, with singles used to SUPPORT album sales, rather than being the end product.

>but everyone always harps on about their impact... and it's
>just an attempt to hold weight in an argument (they either
>don't know the beatles catalogue or they feel inadequate about
>not liking it)

I've heard the catalogue.

  

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242. "the Word"
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best......bassline....ever. oh, and all the other songs on Revolver and Rubber Soul...oh, and all the other albums besides those 2. Best....Bass-Tone......ever.

wiggity-wiggity!!

  

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355. "Sinatra was doing concept albums over a decade earlier"
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Just to be clear. It was Sinatra who invented the concept album. And he did it merely because LP's were invented during his heyday (before that "albums" were a collection of 45's).

Songs for Young Lovers and In the Wee Small Hours are good examples.

  

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356. "Correct"
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Most people don't know that either, although Sinatra was also a fan of Duke Ellington, who was miles ahead of everyone by doing conceptual pieces in concert. When the "Long playing" format came to be in the late 1940's, it was possible for record buyers to listen to a full concept on two sides, rather than "3 minutes on each side of a 78". The original idea was to simply bring the live arrangements into your home, so you could hear a full 15 to 20 minute piece.

But in terms of pop music, Sinatra is considered to be the first to do so.


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362. "Just to be clear:"
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At no point did I say anything about "concept albums," which is a loaded phrase and something different entirely. I suggested that "Rubber Soul," from which no singles were released prior to the album dropping, made it clear to the labels that the post rock'n'roll (1955-on or thereabouts) audience would buy albums without requiring one or several previously chart-topping singles.

Furthermore, it is slightly specious to suggest that Sinatra's 1940s-1950s record-buying audience had much to do with the Beatles' audience. There is a huge generic difference, no? If you want to suggest that Sinatra...Ellington...fuck it, SCOTT JOPLIN was on the full-length album tip before the Beatles, well, whatever. Let's take it back to the earliest symphonic pieces on record, if that's what's required! However, if you consider the post-1955 pop/rock music as being something considerably different than either pre- or post-reinvention Sinatra and his ilk, then you will clearly see that prior to "Rubber Soul" the pop industry was singles-dominated, and that afterward the album rose in importance by a significant amount. Significant enough to change the focus of the entire industry, in fact.

Check the billboard charts, check the "albums" released by Elvis, Little Richard, Jerry Lee Lewis, et al. The change becomes quite apparent.

  

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367. "I didn't make that comparison at all"
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You are right in saying that RUBBER SOUL set the trend, and it was something American labels had no concept of. The fact that you could release an album and have it be listened to as such, without a single to promote it. Yet they kept at it.

But no, I wasn't comparing Sinatra's following with that of The Beatles, but both were signed by Capitol in the U.S. Frank Sinatra was a pop artist, the Beatles were "pop artists", they were a "pop band", and the rock tag didn't happen for them until later. Duke Ellington is one of many jazz composers and artists who contributed to releasing full pieces in recorded form, I could've mentioned anyone but Ellington came to mind. I did not mean to suggest that Ellington was the first, but there was a time when jazz was the most popular music in the country, thus the reference.

What I did try to do, and perhaps failed, was to establish the role of pop and rock & roll post-1950, which seperated the old from the new.



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370. "Fair enough - I misinterpreted you then"
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As much as I despise genre categories, they are occasionally useful. Otherwise we have to cite Patti Page's #1 smash "How Much is That Doggie in the Window" as a precursor to Dipset. Heh heh heh...

  

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371. "LOL, and that would be scary n/m"
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59. "a list:"
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- in the wake of "Sgt Pepper" other groups tried to make their own version of the album. even the Rolling Stones. and Prince, kinda.

- an insane # of artists have covered Lennon/McCartney tunes.

- i can't count the # of artists who've said they were inspired by the group.

- my mother's generation seems to really love them. all those screaming girls in all that file footage...

- check ppl's reactions to John Lennon's death. i was 4 yrs old when he died but i get how much it hit some ppl. i've heard a few songs from that time period that mention it and i've seen albums from that era dedicated to him. he seemed to mean something special to lots of artists.

...are you being facetious? i suspect you are.

fuck you.

  

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67. "i didn't mean impact in real life, I mean musically"
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obviously their popularity is evident

but

ok, many bands say they love The Beatles... but can you see the musical influence in their songs? can you pinpoint it? liking the beatles =! being influenced by them

and Sgt Peppers was inspired by Pet Sounds, so...

  

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73. "Stevie Wonder, "If You Really Love Me""
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was influenced by "Lucy In the Sky With Diamonds". he said so himself.

you know about "Good Vibrations", "Heroes & Villians" and "Revolver".

the Monkees entire existence can be credited to The Beatles, so all their songs count. i used to think "Daydream Believer" was a Beatles song.

fuck you.

  

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81. "Pet Sounds was inspired by Rubber Soul"
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86. "nah... it was spurred on by Rubber Soul"
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it wasn't musically inspired like Sgt Peppers was of Pet Sounds
(maybe it was, but that's not what Brian Wilson said... he said he wanted to make an album with no weak tracks, like Rubber Soul)

  

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172. "I'm eprsonally looking for a J. Beez With the Remedy link to the Beatle..."
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I know it has to be there ... just never heard any stories.

But like most times I mention J. Beez Wit The Remedy ... I feel that a whole entire post needs to be made for this ...

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
who are you









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38. "Eddie's solo aint what Makes "Jump" the best Van Halen song"
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it's the catchiness of the tune

most of these virtuoso performers would give their right arm for a few of those beatles tunes

and Harrison is a brilliant guitarist. Look at this way: his short solos almost always add something melodically to the song. And augmenting Lenon-McCartney melodies is a hell of a job

  

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44. ""Jump" is not the best Van Halen tune though"
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But this isn't a Van Halen post, so I'll stfu.

  

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265. "'best Van Halen tune' is an oxymoronic phrase"
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in any case

  

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306. "RE: 'best Van Halen tune' is an oxymoronic phrase"
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ARGHH! To each his own.

**puts in VH II, cranks "Beautiful Girls"**

  

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9. "the thing is"
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those 'catchy pop songs' are among the catchiest pop songs of all-time.

and that 'self-indulgent experimentation' is some of the most coherent indulgent experimentation ever.

of course some of it is unbearable. and i'm talking about "You Know My Name (Look Up the Number)" and "Flying" and "Hey Bulldog" for starters.

fuck you.

  

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11. "whoa whoa whoa"
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"Hey Bulldog"? a) that song has a nasty groove, and b) thats not even some of there more experimental stuff.
"You Know My Name" I can understand disliking this one, but to me it represents their weird sense of humor that was part of what made them so special in the first place.

- Dub

I give rappers the biz for being m-izza-a-archaic.

  

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16. "i could never tolerate 'Hey Bulldog'."
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and i just realized i don't own Yellow Submarine.

fuck you.

  

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27. "Its a very unusual album"
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all it really is is a 6 song ep, two of which were previously released. of course there is that new version of it with a bunch of songs on it, but feh to that. so anyways, i would recommend the purchase for two reasons: a) if you like orchestral stuff, and b) if you like george, cause george has two of the four originals with "only a northern song" (you would call this one experimental) and "its all too much" which in my opinion is one of the most underrated beatles songs ever. its epic. i might post it up, do you think I should?

- Dub

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31. "Post up the whole album!"
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33. "orchestrations and all?"
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how bout ill do the ep

- Dub

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36. "I gotta rip stuff of my iPod"
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my cds are missing.

  

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37. "i've heard it before."
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my roommate owned it but i never bought it b/c the 6 songs weren't enough to merit the expenditure (the orchestral stuff bored me).

and i've downloaded "Only A Northern Song"...i love that 1.

"It's All Too Much" is indeed too much.

fuck you.

  

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41. "do you mean too much good"
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or too much bad? cause i love that song.

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43. "bad."
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lol...every Beatles song is someones favorite.

post the album for the kids though.

fuck you.

  

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"RE: bad."


  

          

Hook us up.

  

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68. "YELLOW SUBMARINE EP LINK"
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hxxp://s42.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=32KI6NC19KS6Y22AX1R1D3I3V7

And I have already started reupping so I can throw it up once more when this goes away. Like I said, not a great album by any means, but definitely a very interesting one, good transitional record from MMM to the white album.

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253. ""It's all too much" is the SHIT"
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for real, this song KICKS ASS. Makes me get up and dance. IMO, it's a real pop groove.

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346. "co-sine"
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That bulldog track is NICE.

What are they talkin' bout?

  

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i love the groove of "you know my name"!!!! very sampleable!!

  

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22. "it's cool for about a minute."
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the other 6 minutes...

fuck you.

  

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20. "I just heard Hey Bulldog a month or so ago"
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I can't stop playing it or Your Mother Should Know.

  

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24. "like Stevie Wonder's 70s songs"
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it seems almost every Beatles song is someone's favorite.

there's someone out there who plays "Wild Honey Pie" on repeat.

fuck you.

  

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28. "That's good too"
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a had to listen to it a few more time. I hated I Am The Walrus the first dozen times I heard it.

  

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42. "i love "Your Mother Should Know" & "Blue Jay Way""
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once during an acid trip i spent an hour in my bathroom listening to "Blue Jay Way" on a boombox at full volume. hearing it bounce off the tiles in there gave me wonderful visuals...especially when i was in the shower w/the water running.

fuck you.

  

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45. "Blue Jay Way scares the hell out of me"
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I think I might need some acid to like it.

  

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46. "the way the strings echo at the end..."
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I
LOVE
THAT
SHIT

fuck you.

  

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50. "what are your feelings on the rest of magical mystery tour?"
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- Dub

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52. "it's great."
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1. Strawberry Fields Forever is my favorite Beatles song, period.

2. Penny Lane, Hello Goodbye, Baby You're A Rich Man, I Am the Walrus, Blue Jay Way, and Your Mother Should Know are good to great.

3. i skip the rest.

fuck you.

  

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56. "I dont really like Fool on the Hill either"
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but you skip All You Need Is Love? Not anywhere near my favorite beatles song, but definitely solid.
and do you have the anthologies? on three there is a really cool early version of sff.

- Dub

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66. "FOTH is awful."
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"they don't like him..."

"All You Need Is Love" is just too sing-songy for me...i already have "Hey Jude" which is way superior. it's basically a novelty record...although a very good novelty record.

and those versions of "SFF" on "Anthology 3" are grrrr-eat. i remember having read before i heard them that "SFF" as released was 2 (or 3?) versions (in different keys at different speeds - !!) spliced together and so when my roomie bought "A3" we had fun trying to pick out which parts of which version were in the official song. to this day when i hear "SFF" i notice when the rock version begins and the string version ends, etc.

fuck you.

  

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70. "Fool On The Hill is great!"
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the melody is outstanding... a little bit unwieldy maybe but still great
when it gets to "nobody wants to know him" that's a great beatles moment

i seriously can't see how you could dislike Hey Bulldog or FOTH... now flawless... but great

  

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76. "of course."
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fuck you.

  

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144. "ha!"
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it is, though..

  

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210. "Strawberry Fields"
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Co-sign on Best Beatles Song Ever

  

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173. "LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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>there's someone out there who plays "Wild Honey Pie" on
>repeat.

:-D

*wow ... just ... wow*

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241. "you laugh...."
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but the Pixies do a fucked-up cover of wild honey pie...

wiggity-wiggity!!

  

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15. "When another band goes for 7 years"
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without running out of steam, hit after hit after hit, albums (about ten) FULL of brilliant songs

THEN there will be competition for the Beatles
at which point we'll look at the Beatles influence and innovation and popularity

that's what we're all waiting for... someone to come along and come close to the Beatles... and it aint really happening.

I mean, a lot of great bands, you could give them one of the Beatles hits, and it would considered one of their best four or five songs

and what's wrong with catchy pop hits? those are the songs that last centuries
and what self-indulgence are you talking about? (it can't be anywhere near on par with most other "great artists"

  

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25. "RE: When another band goes for 7 years"
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>and what self-indulgence are you talking about? (it can't be
>anywhere near on par with most other "great artists"

I'm saying that while the White Album has its moments, the clear, focused songwriting is abandoned for wishy-washy experimentation. And their "psychadelic" phase sounds to me like four non-psychadelic guys trying to sound like the real thing. They were latecomers to the acid party, and I don't buy it.

  

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34. "word."
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Pink Floyd was much more freaked out than The Beatles ever were. The Beatles were masters at translating some of the more 'fringe' elements of rock for the masses. most ppl won't get with "Pipers At the Gates of Dawn" but they'll dig "Tomorrow Never Knows".

fuck you.

  

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39. "LOL at "Piper""
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I got that when I was about 14, and the shit freaked me. I think I still know all the words to "Bike." Poor Syd. I think he stills lives with his mom and gardens all the time, or some shit.

**KIDS AT HOME! Don't do as much acid as Syd did!!**

  

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176. "Syd's solo stuff from the seventies ..."
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is some excellent stuff. You'd be surprised how focused and melodic it is considering his well-known mental collapse.

  

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211. "Syd went totally insane"
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Too bad.

  

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266. "you know how the rest of the band got rid of syd?"
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they just didn't pick him up before a show

  

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53. "on the white album they just adopted different sensibilities"
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namely, folk music sensibilities... it doesn't matter if stuff is rough around the edges, just get the tune and the lyrics and the feeling across

so I wouldn't really call that self indulgence... it's almost the opposite

the psychadelic stuff? there's not really that much of it...

  

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391. "cosign"
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that's what I been telling these haters

even Sinatra said that "Something" was "the greatest love song of the last 50 years"

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490. "people who make that claim= least informed music fans"
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in the world

  

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4. "RE: Dope, and..."
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I'd like to see John with this type of post every month. Peace.

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This is the life I chose, or rather the life that chose me
If you can't respect that, your whole perspective is whack
Maybe you'll love me when I fade to black
If you can't respect that, your whole perspective is whack
Maybe you'll love me when I f

  

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5. "The Beatles aren't James Joyce!"
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You don't need to respect them
Or work to appreciate them
You don't need to go to college, study them, not really like them but refrain from saying a bad word against them
You just need to listen to them! enjoyment is instant

I mean... do you like a song like, say, My Girl? or Golden Lady?
They're really good songs to hum and sing and whistle, right?

now... Yesterday, that's a pretty good one to whistle as well, isn't it? It's hard to say the melody isn't in the same league as Golden Lady, isn't it?

well... the Beatles have got LOADS of Yesterdays

that's what's great about them

(and they were pretty good at arranging and recording and performing too thankfully)

  

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8. "Yeah, they had this superlative, natural grasp of melody ..."
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that will never be seen again.

"Arbolist ... look up the word. I don't know; maybe I made it up. Anyway, it's an arbo-tree-ist, somebody who knows about trees."

George W. Bush

  

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169. "yup"
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The motown analogy is very apt - like golden era Motown singles, the Beatles songs (when in pop mode, at least) are just a barrel of fun condensed into two and a half minutes of vinyl. This isn't astrophysics or anything people...hell, you have to work hard to NOT enjoy it.


Francis.

"But if I can be allowed a mediocre generalisation, don't pointless things have a place, too, in this far-from-perfect world? Remove everything pointless from an imperfect life and it'd lose even its imperfection."
-Haruki Murakami

  

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14. "Nobody fucks with Beatles' catalogue, nobody ..."
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Even if you dismiss their pre-Rubber Soul material (which is a big mistake in my opinion), we have:

Rubber Soul
Revolver
Sgt. Pepper's
Magical Mystery Tour
The White Album
Abbey Road

Not many bands can make one album of this calibre of quality, better yet six of them. And they were making up the rules and expanding music itself all the while.

It is a bit lame to debate the best band of all time, because there is no debate.

"Arbolist ... look up the word. I don't know; maybe I made it up. Anyway, it's an arbo-tree-ist, somebody who knows about trees."

George W. Bush

  

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17. "RE: Nobody fucks with Beatles' catalogue, nobody ..."
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you should start that list with Help!

  

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35. "Yep Help is amazing"
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I think people need to start there instead of Revolver.

  

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54. "Shit ..."
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My list starts with With the Beatles. Please Please Me ss the only one I don’t consider an absolute classic.

I was just listing the albums generally accepted as their insurmountable classics.


"Arbolist ... look up the word. I don't know; maybe I made it up. Anyway, it's an arbo-tree-ist, somebody who knows about trees."

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58. "Meet the Beatles >>>> With the Beatles/Please Please Me"
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- Dub

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61. "The American versions suck ass"
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I hate them with a passion

  

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65. "same here, except for meet the beatles"
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it takes the first two albums, combines them and makes them stronger. many people are more familiar with the american versions though so they feel more comfortable with them, hence that beatles capitol albums box just recently, but for those of us a bit younger, we only know the british versions. i do have the american revolver and beatles 65 on vinyl though... hearing revolver almost completely devoid of john really throws me off.

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69. "i only know the UK Revolver"
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i can't fathom the US version w/all those songs missing.

fuck you.

  

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72. "its missing three lennon tracks"
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im only sleeping, and your bird can sing, and doctor robert. damn.

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212. "3 great tracks"
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What were they thinking?

  

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264. "Apparently Paul hated Your Bird can Sing"
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282. "The rest of the Beatles hated"
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Maxwell's Silver Hammer too

  

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330. "the version of "your bird can sing" on the anthology is hilarious"
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John can't get through it for laughing his ass off. I mean he is CRACKING the hell up, at what, I don't know LOL

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357. "yeah i love that too."
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fuck you.

  

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381. "link? anybody? please? i wanna hear too"
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383. "if somebody dont beat me to it i'll hook it up this evening"
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when i get home.

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407. "And Now The Link"
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78. "I grew up with the American versions"
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My mother had Meet The Beatles & the American A Hard Day's Night. I just prefer the songs and the way they're arranged on With the Beatles & Please Please Me.

When I went about buying the records a few months ago I bought the American version of Revolver first by accident, I didn't know the American ones were different and was pissed. It's like an incomplete picture. Yesterday & Today is a very good record though.

  

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161. "HELP!"
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In a way ... that list would start with Help. When Dylan turned them on to smoking herb, that album was the first to exhibit its influence.

So, yes, ... I think there is something to be said about splitting the catalogue into pre-drugs and post-drugs. That being said, it would do nothing to compromise their earlier work. All of it exhibited their songwriting, which was amazing either under the influence or not.

Of course I personally PREFER the LSD/TM years and beyond (Revolver), but anything Help and beyond has me stopping and listening. For me that's when the experimentation began.

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21. "most would be over the moon with just Let It Be"
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Let It Be, Long&Winding Road, Dig a Pony, Across the Universe, Two of Us, Get Back, on the one album? man

  

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32. "Two of Us"
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what a stellar song, one of my favorites.

- Dub

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23. "Don't forget"
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Let It Be. For some reason Let It Be always ends up overlooked but when you sit down and look at the songs on that album you're like "damn". And it's worth talking about just for Across The Universe.

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40. "I don't see where the hate comes from"
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47. "the hate comes from it not living up to the other albums"
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and it was released after abbey road which, in my opinion, is the greatest album ever made.

but seriously, i love let it be just as much as the next guy, but comparitively its just not as exciting as the other late material. and i would definitely rank a hard days night and help over it overall.

- Dub

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51. "They should have waited and released abbey road after it"
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that's their best album

Edit: I think Please Please Me is their weakest

  

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57. "Abbey Road was the last one they recorded though"
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I'm not sure, I think the public already knew the Let It Be songs... so they did go out on an incredible high, really (Abbey Road + the Let it Be single)

  

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60. "Abbey Road was recorded last yeah"
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62. "they knew some"
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Cause they had heard Get Back already, but the album was pushed back to coincide with the release of the movie/book, so although most people might now know that abbey road was the last recorded, let it be is still the final album to lots.

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75. "I'm not sure"
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I remember my dad saying "They went out on a real high with Abbey Road, that was nice"

and I said "but Let It Be was the last one"

and he said "hmmmm"

maybe Let It Be came out but people knew it wasn't really going to be the same as their normal studio albums

  

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64. "The Let it Be songs were heavily bootlegged"
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So they released it properly.

  

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390. "it's like the 'love movement' of their catalogue"
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not really so bad when judged on its own merits, not really so great when compared to their previous body of work

I still enjoy it, "Dig A Pony" and "I Me Mine" are favorites

the reason the album was not as great as the others was because John didn't bring his A game (due to the drugs and his disinterest in what he considered "Paul's project"; reportedly, Paul had to help him finish "Dig A Pony") and George's emergence as a songwriter was't being taken seriously (Paul & John spurned early versions of "My Sweet Lord" and several other songs that ended up on All Things Come to Pass)

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102. "It;s not really hate"
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But the Naked version was a viable project for a reason. A LOT of the songs come out a lot better un-Spectorized.

I'm not much of a Let It Be fan at all, besides One After 909, Across the Universe and Two of Us, but the album was a friendlier listen when it was stripped down. Some really good vocal performances stood out more.

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18. "this is great, now i can learn the right way"
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30. "all you had to do was ask"
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I would have hooked you up months ago

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26. "This post is going triple plat by next week"
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I read the 16 posts that were here, posted my thing and then there was 25 posts. 9 posts in under two minutes... I feel like I'm in GD.

And to make this "Beatles" related... speaking of triple plat how many albums have they sold world wide? Anybody have the #s on that?

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49. "Ok Beatles Starter Kit #1 - The Early Years"
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1962-1966 (The Red Album)

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113. "Ok Beatles Starter Kit #2 - The Later Years"
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1967-1970 (The Blue Album)

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122. "IMO this is the worst possible way to be intro'd to the beatles"
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just listening to the albums in their entirety is so much better

then once you have done so you can make your own comps or if you prefer listen to these

but thats me

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132. "You think?"
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147. "well ....."
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i am almost 30 years old and have been a big fan of music for as long as i can remember

but it wasnt until about 2/3 years ago i really fell into a hardcore beatles discovery

i never DISLIKED them but did kind of think of them as the stuff my mom listened to to a certain extent

i dont know

just never got into them

so for me it was almost comforting when i listened to a rubbersoul for instance that i had all this "NEW" music to discover while simultaneously realising i was re-discovering songs i had already known (and loved) that had been laying in my subconcious somewhere or something

like in my life, norwegian wood, michelle...i heard them completely differently as an adult listening to them in the context of rubber soul vs that of a kid listening in his moms pinto

and meanwhile i was hearing songs like if i needed someone and you wont see me and nowhere man for the first time

revolver and sgt pepper and the white album and abbey road were all the same way

i loved listening to sgt pepper knowing ANYTIME i wanted i could stop at best buy and cop revolver for my next beatles fix

and there would be TOP NOTCH beatles hits on there as well as their lesser known songs

listening to those comps is sort of like a power blast of all their hits and might leave some of their lesser known songs seem underwhelming upon listening to the albums in full

and take from the excitement of the hits popping up on the albums

thats me tho

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206. "I feel you 100%"
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If you love music, it's only a matter of time that you realize the Beatles is the truth

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243. "i disagree"
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my dad bought me those CDs when i was real young and i was hooked from then on.

i didnt care much about the album structure (i was 13 at the time) so those songs did me just well. not to mention there's a lot of tracks. much better the the "ones" album.

when i got older i heard abbey road and i felt compelled to explore.

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63. "Who wrote In My Life, Lennon or McCartney?"
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Lennon definitely wrote the lyrics, but McCartney claims he wrote the music

it's possibly the best Beatles song (I mean, it's outstanding in every aspect)

so who gets credit?

  

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77. "well if thats the case then both"
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But I mean to me it is a John song overall just for the lyrical content. and i seriously doubt he wrote it as a poem then gave it to paul who wrote the melody. paul helped im sure, ill believe him on that, but i will not concede all music on the song to him.

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92. "the melody is quite McCartney-ish though"
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but it does seem strange that Paul would put a Lennon lyric to song

however, i'm more inclined to believe McCartney, if one of them is lying

  

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94. "why would you believe paul more?"
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and i do agree, it is a mccartney-esque melody, to an extent, but i dont know, it just rings of john to me. like i said, i would bet that john had a melody and then paul tweaked it.

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106. "McCartney wasn't on heroine, and Lennon admitted lying over Two of Us"
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and McCartney's still alive after they've grown up and put all pettyness to rest

mind you, I don't know if McCartney still claims In My Life

  

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79. "that was back when they often worked together though."
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it's not unusual for them each to receive credit in that case.

fuck you.

  

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87. "there's only two Beatles songs with disputed authorship"
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In My Life
and Norwegien Wood (the middle-8 is claimed by mccartney)

Two of Us was also disputed, but Lennon later admitted that it was Paul's song

  

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90. "naw theres definitely more disputed"
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I couldnt name names, but I have read different accounts that give different credit to different people. im sure somewhere the truth lies, but I can never remember exactly which is which.

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93. "oh."
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fuck you.

  

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88. "its an unbelievable song and i know you always push the melody"
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but the poetry of the beatles is equally incredible to me

in my life is a great example of it

its like a love song in the guise of a reflective string of memories and reconciliations

its like they dont even reveal that its a love song until the end

melody, poetry, creativity, volume...

no one has come close since

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96. "whats mindblowing is how young john was when he wrote that song"
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it hit me even more when i heard johnny cash's cover, then you really hear the old spirit inside the song.

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251. ""in my life" makes me cry buckets lol"
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If you've ever seen the Anthology, they show different clips of the beatles while "in my life" is playing. Ugh, it's such a tearjerker.

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271. "yes! that's the first time i heard it"
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i was welling up

if u leave the dvd at the main menu it just loops and loops.. it kills me

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329. "OMG I know right?"
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I was crying like a bitch LMAO

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387. "that's powerful music doggie"
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lol
but it really is.

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95. "i think i like the Judy Collins version more than theirs."
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i heard it on "The Wonder Years" before i heard the Beatles version and fell in love w/it. the Beatles version was a let-down.

i need to find that.

fuck you.

  

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105. "Joe Cocker almost murdered A Littlfe Help From My Friends for me"
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Worst. Beatles. Cover. Ever.

  

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108. "*gasp*"
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i used to really like EWF's "Got To Get You Into My Life" but since i've become familiar w/the original i CAN'T STAND theirs.

fuck you.

  

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111. "Never heard it but"
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Fiona sings Across The Universe better then John, IMO.

  

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115. "stop the insanity!"
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fuck you.

  

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117. "lol"
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120. "i liked the joe cocker version"
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i had a crush on winnie cooper too

*shrug*

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121. "RE: i liked the joe cocker version"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=88093&mesg_id=88093&page=#88387

She looks amazing on The West Wing. (Will Bailey's sister)

  

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125. "really?"
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i watch the west wing religiously and havent seen her

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130. "Yep"
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http://www.danicamckellar.com/westwing/westwingtvguide.gif

  

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133. "that mustve been years ago"
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sam seaborn has been gone a while


man we need a west wing post for may

back to the beatles!

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137. "Wait!"
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Alan Alda or Jimmy Smits?

  

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150. "dawg...."
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alan alda is GREAT!

i have a hard time pulling for republican but he is the kind of republican i can dig

moderate and self determined

i just really like the josh character so i think i am pulling for him more than either of the other two

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154. "I'd like to see what they do with Donna"
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if Jimmy Smits wins. I bet they'd make her press secretary and maybe, I'm reaching, deputy chief of staff. Sure I know she's from Russell's side but I think Josh would take her.

But if Alan Alda doesn't win I'm going to be pissed. That stocked his staff with too many great names. Jill from home improvement, Jimmy from newsradio and Bruno.

  

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155. "its the beatles of network dramas!"
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159. "It's crack"
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Rewatchable to a mindblowing extent

  

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160. "season 4 on dvd"
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they didnt drop 1,2,&3 until xmas time

im gonna wind up with all of them whenever the show goes off air

for the kids yknow?

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171. "I watched 4 episodes around Feb of last year on bravo"
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(The President's 3rd State of the Union-17 People) cause I always heard the show was good. So I said fuck it and got Season 1 on my birthday and by June I had the other 4 season on bootleg.) Aaron Sorkin is the best thing to happen to television.

  

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281. "I think the best version Cocker did was the one at Woodstock (1969)"
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The studio mix was great, but it's hard to beat that performance.

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307. "THE SECOND best version Cocker did was the one at Woodstock (1969)"
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The best was Belushi's version.

  

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138. "Aretha Franklin beatles covers"
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Let it Be: I always thought she could have done more with this one. I thought she would murder it, make it her own, like she does with so many of her covers(who remebers that Carol King first recorded "Natural Woman"), but I still think Paul has got her on this one. I

Eleanor Rigby: this is a really great cover. I think I might like it better than the original.

Further testament to the Beatles songwriting that Aretha covers their songs in her golden age.

  

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140. "McLemore Avenue-Booker T and the MGs"
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A cover album (albeit not complete) of Abby Road. The Album cover photo is the MGs walking across McLemore ave (in memphis, i believe). Supposedly, Duck had never heard the album before they recorded this, but really got into it.

Plus its always fun to imagine any band with the MGs backing them, this time you actually get to hear some of the beatles orchestrations with one of the best rhythm sections of all time backing them up.

  

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164. "i really wanna hear this"
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uh, got link?

  

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202. "I've got it"
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Inbox me to remind me and I'll post it up tomorrow.

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142. "I saw Eleanor Rigby on iTunes"
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and wasn't sure about it. It's good?

  

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151. "ahem (link), its exxelent"
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hxxp://s4.youshareit.com/files/e39d357477f1180d90a0ac8d10642ad7.html

I've never done this before, hope it works.

I love the Beatles, I love Aretha, I think it amazing.


  

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156. "Thanks"
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250. "are u kidding? Eleanor Rigby is pure brilliance"
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I even love the instrumental strings version from the Beatles Anthology CD. I should post it.

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525. "Really terrible, actually"
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368. "From what I had heard (about Aretha)..."
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...a lot of the material she was given to do between 1968-1971, she didn't like. She felt that they were trying to cross her over to the rock crowds, whereas she was quite fine with sticking to soul and gospel. Yet anything she did do, such as her cover of The Band's "The Weight", she went with it. Oddly enough, while the covers were helpful in crossing over, she later found out they wanted to hear her do more of her own work and the gospel stuff, as the Fillmore albums will show.


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182. "In my life"
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my God, that song is incredible.

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393. "the general rule of thumb was..."
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that whoever was the driving force behind the song sang it

except for Ringo's songs of course

George Martin's Bach-like piano fill was MADNESS.

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71. "Frat house anecdote"
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When I was in college I pledged a fraternity, and one day during hell week we were made to sit in a dark room with metal trash cans over our heads while "Revolution #9" played over and over and over at jet-engine decibels through a PA system. Let me tell you: if you listen to that track about 15 times straight at that volume, you will hear shit you cannot believe.

**KIDS! Don't try this at home**

  

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82. "if you become....NAKED"
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fuck you.

  

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83. "I read a book called "tell me why""
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about their songs, and the author described that song perfectly i thought. he said something along the lines of "while it isnt a musical song, per se, it could not have been done by somebody without a musical mind." the point is that there is something beautiful about it, it is a very abstract piece of art. i dont always listen to it, but when i do i have to listen to it a few times before listening to something else, cause it is so interesting and strange.

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74. "SGT. PEPPER LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND"
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IMO, the greatest album ever made...

Review by Stephen Thomas Erlewine

With Revolver, the Beatles made the Great Leap Forward, reaching a previously unheard-of level of sophistication and fearless experimentation. Sgt. Pepper, in many ways, refines that breakthrough, as the Beatles consciously synthesized such disparate influences as psychedelia, art-song, classical music, rock & roll, and music hall, often in the course of one song. Not once does the diversity seem forced — the genius of the record is how the vaudevillian "When I'm 64" seems like a logical extension of "Within You Without You" and how it provides a gateway to the chiming guitars of "Lovely Rita." There's no discounting the individual contributions of each member or their producer, George Martin, but the preponderance of whimsy and self-conscious art gives the impression that Paul McCartney is the leader of the Lonely Hearts Club Band. He dominates the album in terms of compositions, setting the tone for the album with his unabashed melodicism and deviously clever arrangements. In comparison, Lennon's contributions seem fewer, and a couple of them are a little slight but his major statements are stunning. "With a Little Help From My Friends" is the ideal Ringo tune, a rolling, friendly pop song that hides genuine Lennon anguish, à la "Help!"; "Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds" remains one of the touchstones of British psychedelia; and he's the mastermind behind the bulk of "A Day in the Life," a haunting number that skillfully blends Lennon's verse and chorus with McCartney's bridge. It's possible to argue that there are better Beatles albums, yet no album is as historically important as this. After Sgt. Pepper, there were no rules to follow — rock and pop bands could try anything, for better or worse. Ironically, few tried to achieve the sweeping, all-encompassing embrace of music as the Beatles did here.

  

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99. "How can I recognize an original pressing?"
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I copped a joint at AMOEBA for $2, but I'm not sure.

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100. "if you paid $2 for it at Amoeba"
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it's not worth more than $2.

they know what they're doing in that store. Beatles records worth $$ are behind the counter or hanging from the ceiling.

fuck you.

  

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141. "even 2nd pressings are valuable with The Beatles"
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do a search for Sgt Peppers original pressing and see what the serial number is
or a quick way is sometimes it says "first published in 19**" which means its not an original

but the shop probably already checked it in the guide

  

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145. "original is either in mono or stereo, and..."
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...is in the "Rainbow Swirl" label variation. Capitol would eventually have a number of label variations over the years (lime green, orange, purple).

There were no mono pressings for the album once it went to the lime green label. In this case, the mono one is worth more than the stereo, because stereo was becoming a part of the norm for record labels. However, the group has always insisted the mono mix is THE version of the album to hear.


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285. "RE: original is either in mono or stereo, and..."
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I didnt know that. I gotta peep that out.

  

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286. "Here's a quote about the mono pressing"
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This comes from "The Beatles Recording Sessions":

""The only real version of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band is the mono version", says Richard Lush. "The Beatles were there for all the mono mixews. Then, after the album was finished, George Martin, Geoff (Emerick), and I did the stereo in a few days, just the three of us, without a Beatle in sight. There are all sorts of things on the mono, little effects here and there, which the stereo doesn't have."

Geoff Emerick confirms this view and points out that almost all of the Beatles recording sessions - including those for Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, - were monitored in the control room through just one mono speaker anyway, except for when stereo mixing was being done. "We did have teo speakers but everything was put through the right hand one. We weren't allowed to monitor on both because they were saved for stereo orchestral recordings!"

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The stereo pressing is Capitol SMAS-2653
The mono pressing is Capitol MAS-2653

The covers and labels are very similar with the exception of the catalog #, so if it's SMAS, it's stereo. No "S" at the beginning, and you got yourself a record of value.

If you simply want to "hear" the mono mix, bootleg CD's are available, and they are available on some digital form on the internet. There are many differences in the mix, including the sound of the crowd in "Sgt. Pepper" and "Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)" (in the Reprise, you'll hear Paul's voice in the background singing in the last few seconds, whereas on the stereo version, you wouldn't even know he's there), the carousel sounds at the end of "Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite", and many other things.















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287. "Hmmm"
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I need a new copy of Sgt. Pepper, I'll try to find the mono. Thanks.

  

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249. "RE: SGT. PEPPER LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND"
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>IMO, the greatest album ever made...
>
I agree.

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80. "This is"
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such a circle jerk...

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149. "what's the problem, wendell?"
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312. "I thought"
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the purpose of the post was to contain some substance about the group. The first 79 posts were all: "I love the Beatles" bullshit.

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314. "When I made my initial post, I was writing the first entry, and..."
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...by the time I posted my first note, there were over 100 replies. So blame it on that, and blame it on me for not writing anything beforehand. If there was a way for my posts to be moved on the top, I would.




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331. "I know"
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and there's no blame to pass around. It's just that these dudes get very schoolgirlish when it comes to the Beatles. It makes it impossible for me to take them seriously on the subject.

Props to you Johnboy for bringing some substance to the convo.

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358. "nigga stfu."
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fuck you.

  

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363. "Ha!"
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Speaking of the devil. You was wearing bobbiesocks n' shit.

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366. "*does The Twist*"
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fuck you.

  

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441. "lmao!!! n/m"
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84. "The Beatles vs. The Beach Boys"
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what kills me about Brian Wilson's "the Beatles vs. The Beach Boys was a spiral that just went up and up and never really stopped" is that actually it DID stop. You went nuts in 1966-7, Brian, and the Beatles went on to do their best work for 3 more years.

Beatles >>>>> The Beach Boys

that said, Pet Sounds is more compositionally advanced than Sgt Peppers (melodies aren't quite as good though), and Smile is the only true album that isn't just a collection of songs

  

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157. "why you gotta bring this up?"
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To counter:

Yeah, the Beatles owned the Boys 1968-1970. But the Brian's 70s output dominates any of the individual Beatles.

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85. "the beginning: 1956-1963"
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Their humble roots in Liverpool, England could have resulted in a series of dead end jobs, because that's all they saw in the docking town. As if it was a miracle, their teenage years coincided with the new form of music from the United States called rock'n'roll. It became a massive movement among all high school students, especially as the 1950's went on, since skiffle music wasn't exactly "hip".

Rock'n'roll, back then, was a wide range of music, everything from Elvis Presley to Little Richard to Chuck Berry to Larry Williams. It was a mixture of R&B/soul, gospel, blues, and rockabilly, all of which were rooted in the South. The way they were exposed to the music was mostly through records that were imported to England. Kids would actually wait at the docks, not even wanting to go to the record store for it to be properly filed. It was these hits and B-sides that fascinated John Lennon (1940-1980), James Paul McCartney (1942-), George Harrison (1943-2001), and Richard Starkey (1940-) to want to create music. However, it wouldn't be until the summer of 1962 when these four men would finally become the band that simply wanted to play songs, drink beer, and meet up with "birds" (women).
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The first to meet were John Lennon and Paul McCartney, both of whom were in high school. They both had aspirations to play music, and both shared a love for the music of America, especially Elvis Presley, but the music of England was still skiffle and folk, so the groups they were in showed this. A mutual friend brought them together on July 6, 1957, and it was then that they discovered their common love of music, and Elvis. A friendship was born, and at the time it was nothing more than that.

Half a year later, Paul introduces George Harrison to John, and they become The Quarrymen, the first stage of what would eventually lead to bigger and better. George was only 14 years old, but his guitar work impressed Paul and they brought him in. They would eventually do shows, including a residency at a club owned by the mother of their future drummer, Pete Best.

Two years later, Stu Sutcliffe joins the group, who had already changed their name a number of times. An art student, the guy didn't know how to play the bass, and would often "play" with his back facing the audience. There are many photos of the five-member group, back when they wanted to show their coolness by playing in leather jackets. In time, Stu would leave the band, and he became a small but important footnote in the history of The Beatles. During the time Stu was in the band, Paul would actually play the basslines on his guitar, which eventually would lead to him switching over to bass.

By 1960, the Liverpool music scene was proof that the music of America had made its impact on these kids. It was enough for "The Silver Beetles" to be asked to perform in Hamburg, Germany to play the nightclub scene, most notably the Star Club. It was there that the group started to gain attention, not only for their music, but with the ladies as well. Long shows (4-6 hours a night) would not only lead them to drink a lot, but also start popping pills. Their sets consisted of hits of the day, favorites from their record collection, as well as routines they would develop during their Star Club stay. George Harrison was 17 years old, opening his eyes to a world that only his older bandmates were aware of. By the end of the year, after a long stay at one club, they were booted because club owners found out Harrison was too young.
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In 1961, a singer named Tony Sheridan asks the group to back him up for a few songs to be released as a single. This would result in "My Bonnie (Lies Over The Ocean)", credited to "Tony Sheridan & The Beat Brothers" and released in Germany in June 1961, and in England on January 5, 1962, where it was credited to "Tony Sheridan & The Beatles". The record went nowhere, but it became the first Beatles record, and at this point they were formally called "The Beatles". Those who did know of the band now had something to take home to listen to. It was released in the U.S. on Decca on April 23, 1962, and it too went nowhere. Original copies of these 45's are some of the highest priced records for Beatles collectors:
http://www.friktech.com/btls/tony/tony.htm

The group recorded a total of eight songs during the Tony Sheridan sessions, including "Ain't She Sweet", with vocals from John.

A few days before "My Bonnie" was to be released in England, the group found themselves in the Decca Records offices in London to audition for a contract. At this stage, Lennon and McCartney started to compose their own songs, this coming from their love of Buddy Holly and how he composed a lot of his own songs. On the spot, the head of Decca told them he wasn't interested, and they walked out without a contract.

The next day, the group makes Brian Epstein their manager. He loved the music, but felt that the group needed a new look. Gone were the leather jackets and in were the suits, as Epstein wanted something more "sophisticated". Some believe that Epstein wanted the group to look like the kind of men he would be interested in hanging out with, and thus created a group that in many ways "suited him". The suited look would eventually lead to the group getting formally signed to Parlophone Records. A classical producer named George Martin was asked to work with the group. Martin was not sure about this, wondering if the group could pull it off. Rock'n'roll was not his "forte", but Epstein was convinced. Martin liked everyone, except for one person: Pete Best. Martin told Epstein that Best should be replaced. Best was given the boot, and that was that. The group brought in a friend they had known from another Liverpool group, Rory Storme & The Hurricanes. He was "Richie" Starkey, but his stage presence had him with a nice 'do, a full beard, and a lot of shiny rings, so he was known as "Ringo Starr". Both groups played and partied many times, so there was already a friendship there. Depending on what version you read, the group either asked him to join at one point, but Ringo wanted to wait until his stint at a club was over.

In the summer of 1962, John, Paul, George, and Ringo would become the group we know as The Beatles. Before Ringo was a formal member, the group went into the studio to record a number of songs, including "Love Me Do". The drummer for these sessions were Andy White. When Ringo joined the band, Martin didn't like his drumming but kept the tapes rolling anyway. The "Ringo" version of "Love Me Do" was released in England as their first single in October 1962, but afterwards, it was the more polished "Andy White" version that was heard. "Love Me Do" went as high as #21 on the Melody Maker charts, not a major hit by any means, but it showed people were buying the record, most likely those in Liverpool.

At the end of 1963, The Beatles went into the studio to record two new songs for another single. This was in the era when singles were king, and albums were meant for "older" ("adult") buyers, so the idea was that "if two songs is what we need to have a hit, we have to do it the best way we know how". "Please Please Me" was a collaborative effort between John and Paul, and what they wanted to do was deliver a "rocker", something a bit more exciting than the folk-ish back vibe of "Love Me Do" and its B-side, "P.S. I Love You". They wanted something that represented their love of rock'n'roll. "Please Please Me" is a simple song about love for a girl, and the feelings one gets when love is in the air. It's nothing more than the traditional "boy meets girl", but what made the record work was the vocal harmonies in the line "Please please me/whoa yeah, like I please you" that was influenced by Roy Orbison and "Only The Lonely". In other words, John and Paul (with an emphasis on John) sing in their regular voices before going a register higher to match the falsetto that Orbison was known for. The Beatles were not only good listeners, but observes as well, for when they would watch Elvis, Orbison, and Little Richard, when the high notes were sung, the girls went crazy. Please please me, indeed.

The formula worked, for it would eventually top the British charts on March 2, 1963. People in London started to notice, and many scratched their heads about a group from Liverpool, because "no one there makes it". This wasn't skiffle beat, this was rock'n'roll, and the group found themselves now playing throughout England, and eventually London. T


On February 11, 1963, The Beatles and George Martin went into the studio to record an album that would become PLEASE PLEASE ME. As bootlegs indicate, the group were sharp and ready to record, with countless takes being made. By the time the night was over, the group still had one more song to do. John decided to do a song by one of his favorite groups, The Isley Brothers. He said since it was the last song for the sessions, he would do everything to make it the best performance. "Twist & Shout" was done in one take, and John pretty much ripped his vocals, and you can hear it. They wanted the song to have as much sexual energy as the original, and John did it the best way he knew how. The band were as tight as ever, and by the time the song reaches the end, with Ringo's final two hits of the snare, and Paul yelling out a "YAY!", one can imagine them smiling from each to ear.

PLEASE PLEASE ME was released on March 22, 1963, and early reviews were mixed, but most agreed that "something was in the works", something "magical" was about to happen. On May 1, 1963, the album makes it to #1, and stays there for 30 straight weeks.

Before these sessions, a small buzz begins in the U.S., initially among the record industry. Here was a group from England, a place that for most Americans was a part of ancient history, too far and too distant to mean anything, and they're playing not only rock'n'roll, but are doing covers of R&B songs, that were far from sounding like Pat Boone. It was cover versions that weren't watered down, and so Brian Epstein seeked to find U.S. representation. Capitol Records, who were still very much a pop label, immediately passed. So did many other labels, but the only label that wanted to touch them was a blues and R&B label from Chicago named Vee Jay. A black-owned label became the first company to present The Beatles to Americans, although considering the state of the industry back then, anything "black-owned" received little distribution compared to the big labels. While Vee Jay was well known for its artists, this was something new, and it was a white group from... Liverpool? Radio stations who were serviced records from Vee Jay didn't know what to do with it, it wasn't jazz, gospel, blues, or R&B. "Please Please Me" came out, and featured an error on initial pressings that would make the record one of the most valuable. It was credited to "The Beattles" with two T's. Expect to pay $2000+ for one in mint condition.

"From Me To You"/"Thank You Girl" was released in April (May in the US), and went as high as #112 on Billboard, and dropped off the charts after a presence of only three weeks. However, Vee Jay did temporarily own the rights to the music that was on PLEASE PLEASE ME, and released INTRODUCING THE BEATLES in July 1963.

Throughout England, the craze for The Beatles was growing, with shows happening frequently, and they were making more appearances on BBC radio (which was very important, as fans of John Peel's radio show will know). It was enough for the group to start an official fan club, and membership was fast.

In the middle of all of this happening, the group went into the studio to record another new song, this time showing their love of Little Richard. "She Loves You"/"I'll Get You" is released in England on August 23, 1963. Vee Jay, already seeing flops, passed on "She Loves You", and instead it is released by a small label in New York City, Swan Records. While the record didn't chart in the U.S., it did get a small amount of airplay. Over in England, the song stays at #1 for five weeks. In England, The Beatles find friendships in another group, The Rolling Stones. While The Beatles were about sharing their love of soul and R&B, the Rolling Stones had a love for the blues, which coincided with the blues movement happening in England at the time. This would lead to a rivalry in the press that never existed, but in time it would help them get a lot of media attention and of course record sales.

While Beatles music was heard everywhere, the group had also been clued in to the wonders of publishing, and began writing songs for other artists. In fact, "Misery" by Kenny Lynch would become the first Beatles cover version, when Lynch released it as a single on March 22, 1963 (Lynch would resurface in Beatles history when he became one of the people on the run on the cover of Paul's BAND ON THE RUN cover.) Soon, one could hear covers of "I Saw Her Standing There" and "Do You Want To Know A Secret", but also hear new Lennon/McCartney songs such as "I'll Be On My Way", "Tip Of My Tongue", and "I'll Keep You Satisfied". At the same time, The Beatles spent another day in July to record another album, WITH THE BEATLES. This buzz was too hard to ignore, and yet U.S. labels were still iffy. The album was not released in the U.S., but Capitol Of Canada did release it as BEATLEMANIA WITH THE BEATLES, and that is the name that was part of the pandemonium and the phenomenon: BEATLEMANIA. In England, WITH THE BEATLES would replace PLEASE PLEASE ME as the #1 album, where it would stay for 22 weeks.

By the fall of 1963, everyone was going Beatle-crazy, but it also sparked a sense of excitement and creativity in British artists that was far more than just scraping your hands on a washboard.

On October 19, 1963, the group went into the studio to record "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and "This Boy". The next day, they would gather to record their first Christmas record, made exclusively for fan club members in England.

With the group hitting the #1 spot on a consistent basis, Capitol Records in the U.S. finally woke up and decided to represent them. Parlophone in England were distributed by EMI, and Capitol was EMI-owned as well, so why the union in the U.S. didn't happen, no one knows. The Beatles had always wanted to take their music to the U.S., to be able to experience their favorite music first-hand, and in a few months they would be able to. In 2005, an album leaks on the internet. In late 1963, someone flew the 45 of "I Want To Hold Your Hnad" from London and started playing it on the radio in New York City. President John F. Kennedy was shot a month before, and civil rights were a hot topic, along with pending conflict in Vietnam. Musically, Elvis Presley had served time in the miltary, Buddy Holly had been dead for a few years, surf music from a group called the Beach Boys were getting people excited, doo-wop had died and was being taken over by labels such as Motown and Stax.

Secrectly, Capitol Records rushed released "I Want To Hold Your Hand" in the last weeks of 1963, b/w an older song, "I Saw Her Standing There". At this point, Capitol Records started the promotional machine rolling, and let everyone know that THE BEATLES ARE COMING! THE BEATLES ARE COMING!

If there was any sense of an invasion, no one in the United States knew what was coming. Pop music in December 1963 was a very different place, and so was culture. Segregation in the United States was not only present on a cultural basis, but in music as well, but that didn't stop fans from listening and buying the records. Eventually, Americans would discover four long haired girly men who not only played instruments, but wrote their own songs, and had an equal love for Elvis Presley and Little Richard. "The American Way" would be changed forever.


















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89. "Thanks john"
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Insightful and interesting as always.
This reminded me of something I was thinking about the other day: has there ever been a compilation of non-Beatles Lennon/McCartney songs ever released? I would be interested to hear it, cause I haven't heard most of their non-Beatles songs.

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148. "there's been quite a few"
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If you're talking about Beatles covers, there are countless compilation.

If you're talking about songs they did for other artists, there is a comp called THE SONGS THE BEATLES GAVE AWAY. It makes for interesting listening, because these songs were just as good, but perhaps they were given a tip on the wonders of publishing, or simple wanted to create for the sake of helping out friends and other artists.

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103. "Nice"
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Damn if you're not an encyclopedia.

  

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112. "wow.. thanks john"
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dropping knowledge as usual

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446. "nice read"
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@silentintellect

  

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97. "Oh yeah, and logically THE WHITE ALBUM *is* the best Beatles LP"
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it's simple,
The white album has enough great numbers to match any of their other albums song for song... but then the White Album has like another 10 great songs to spare

the conclusion is inescapable

  

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98. "well, no."
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if you want to play that way it's either the Red or Blue album.

but you'll say "that was a compilation it doesn't count", to which i say the White Album can't win just b/c it has more songs and thus more great songs.

the ratio of good/great songs to lessers is what's key. and by that score i think Abbey Road wins.

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114. "Abbey Road vs. Revolver vs. Sgt. Pepper"
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It pretty much just comes down to personal taste. Compelling arguments can be made for all three. It's one of those debates that reveals a lot about what a person appreciates in music, if not the person themself.

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116. "yes."
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fuck you.

  

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119. "RE: well, no."
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>if you want to play that way it's either the Red or Blue
>album.
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if they had recorded the Red or Blue album in their usual 8 month period, it would be their best

>but you'll say "that was a compilation it doesn't count", to
>which i say the White Album can't win just b/c it has more
>songs and thus more great songs.
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I don't see how your next point would counter my next one (that they're compilations)


>the ratio of good/great songs to lessers is what's key. and
>by that score i think Abbey Road wins.

but if you stuck 3 clunkers at the end of abbey road... it shouldn't make what's already there any worse. Conversely, if you took 3 songs of it, it WOULD make it worse (see: the American/British Revolvers) although it might even make the ratio better

and what if you only had 8 songs? isn't that a bit short?

ah... we've been through the whole "album" argument many times... but basically I think "most coherent album" is different from "best album"

and also, there's something about 30-40 minutes that is a suitable duration for listening to something (most symphonies are that length). BUT there's nowhere that says you need to listen to the whole white album in one go

  

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104. "i go with sgt pepper"
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but i know tons of folks who go with abbey road and a handful who go with either revolver, rubber soul, and the white album

i am not mad at any of them

all great albums

for me...i have the same complaints with the white album as i have with hiphop double albums

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395. "that's like saying"
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All Eyez on Me is Pac's best album

there's a lot of greatness on the White Album, but there's a lot of stuff that's tedious too

it's one of their best, but there's no way I can put it over Abbey Road, Sgt Pepper or Revolver

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400. "there is not "a lot" of stuff that is tedious"
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we're talking 2 or 3 weak tracks

and it wouldn't matter if there was 100 weak tracks, the fact that there's about two dozen great ones sets it above the other records (which usually had about one dozen)

  

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418. "I see what you're saying but..."
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I appreciate albums that have, let's say 12 songs and they're all bangers, as opposed to one with 21 songs and 14 are bangers. I'm too lazy to go sifting through songs, I'd rather just be able to listen to it straight.

So The White Album may have more bangers in total, but it's also twice as long as the others. It's like saying Speakerboxx/The Love Below is better than ATLiens.

But that's just my preference. Don't get me wrong, The White Album is one of my fave albums, period. But I wouldn't say it's their best.

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101. "An Experiment: The White Album Poll"
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Post your top 5 songs off of The White Album, just to see the wide range they cover here and to prove or disprove a point in a roundabout way.

Mine (in no real order, but okay, they sort of are in order)
1. Happiness is a Warm Gun
2. I Will
3. Julia
4. Deear Prudence
5. Mother Nature's Son/Blackbird (too similar, I cant decide)

And with that I gotta go take a nap, I'll check back in later.

- Dub

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107. "i'm not satisfied w/this list."
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Mother Nature's Son
Dear Prudence
I'm So Tired
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Sexy Sadie

fuck you.

  

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385. "Mr. So What, you nailed it!!! Great list"
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Mother Nature's Son is so slept on its felonious.
Dear Prudence has an incredibly sexy groove for such a sad-hearted song.
Sexy Sadie- I named my dog after this song. Anyway, notice how Radiohead's "Karma Police" completely rips off the intro to this song? I love Radiohead and all, but this vic is all too obvious.

Do you like Radiohead, and if so what are your 5 favorite songs?

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109. "RE: An Experiment: The White Album Poll"
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1. Rocky Raccoon
2. Martha My Dear
3. While my Guitar Gently Weeps
4. Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da
5. Julia

  

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110. "I'll take your top three and So What's bottom two"
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1. Happiness is a Warm Gun
2. I Will
3. Julia
4. While My Guitar Gently Weeps
5. Sexy Sadie

  

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118. "RE: An Experiment: The White Album Poll"
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(in order)
While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Dear Prudence
Happiness is a Warm Gun
Blackbird
Cry Baby Cry

the range of emotions covered on this album is truly spectacular.

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123. "wow"
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Happiness...
Rocky Raccoon
Cry, Baby, Cry
Dear Prudence
Everybody's got something to hide...


I want to make another 5...

  

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124. "this is like choosing between your children!"
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no, I don't have children... but I didn't write these songs either, so the analogy works

anyway

Sexy Sady
I'm So Tired
Blackbird
Julia
Roccy Racoon

and I'm not going to prioritize them... don't push it

  

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126. "RE: An Experiment: The White Album Poll"
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this was extremely difficult:
(in no part. order)

Happiness is a Warm Gun
Sexy Sadie
Why Don't We Do it in the Road
Julia
Rocky Racoon

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127. "i uhh...."
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blackbird
sexy sadie
julia
dear prudence
mother natures son/guitar gently/ warm gun/ so tired

lol

i dunno

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158. "lists are always hard, but *this*?"
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(in running track order)

1. while my guitar gently weeps
2. happiness is a warm gun
3. blackbird
4. sexy sadie
5. helter skelter

  

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225. "in order"
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While My Guitar Gently Weeps
Blackbird
Happiness is a Warm Gun
Julia
Sexy Sadie

man it's tough leaving Rocky Racoon, and Cry Baby Cry off that list. and I've really been feeling Long, Long, Long as of late... ok let me stop

  

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260. "heer"
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heer iz mian.

1. piggys
2. doa'nt pas me bye (doap strengs!!)
3. whye doa'nt wee do itt in thu rode (beetels wer sum o.g.s yo, thay doa'nt giv a fuk)
4. rockie rakkoon (beste songe abowt a rakkoon evur)
5. revulootshiun numbur nyne (MADNISS! nega thiis iz thu joynt)

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gitt oll ur rubbert murchindice att http://www.cafepress.com/RubbertsStoar !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trapped_In_The_Closet

stip on thhu nome uv luff!

donnt beliief j.z. thay hadd gunnz yo

  

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272. "RE: An Experiment: The White Album Poll"
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While my Guitar Gently Weeps
Why don't we do it in the road?
Julia
Blackbird
Glass Onion

@LDNHipHopmgp(we meetup, go to hip hop events)

  

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361. "RE: An Experiment: The White Album Poll"
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Julia
Dear Prudence
Mother Nature's Son
Rocky Raccoon
Everybody's Got Something To Hide...

-------
so I'm in a band now:
album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

avy by buckshot_defunct

  

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375. "John killed that album"
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I'm So Tired
Dear Prudence
Happiness Is A Warm Gun
Julia
Sexy Sadie

honorable mentions
Back In The USSR
Blackbird
Revolution
Glass Onion

  

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392. "Dear Prudence is my favorite Beatle song"
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what's crazy is that Paul was playing drums, it was during those two weeks when Ringo quit the group

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128. "who is listening to the beatles right now?"
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aside from me

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131. "everybody's got something to hide,"
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cept for me and my monkey,

apple LP, one of my most prized albums

  

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134. "Rubber Soul was on when I first saw this thread."
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136. "I'm giving Meet The Beatles another shot"
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207. "I'm bout to throw on the abbey road wax right now -walks away-"
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-comes back-

Holy hot damn. Holy hot damn.

Proper Education Always Corrects Errors

  

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129. "Let It Be (Naked)"
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I know that this album was released recently. It was based on the premise that the original versions of several songs on the album, like "Long and Winding Road" also had more stripped down versions, just the 4, without any additional orchestration.

Anyone heard it?

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i dont know what i expected but i was slightly dissappointed

mind you...

when it came out i was mid into my beatles discovery so...

i was really into sgt pepper at the time and hadnt even listened to rubber soul and revolver yet

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146. "RE: i bought it"
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Let it Be (the original) can be a little difficult to get into at first if you are used to the studio perfection of Sgt. Pepper or any of the other late period albums.

I had been killing the white album when I first heard it, so it was a let down for me, too. However, on repeated listens, the sheer beauty of the songs comes through. I apreciate that one of the beatles albums from that era has a stripped down feel to it. In fact, its grown into one of my favorites.

  

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i love music like that

raw

but yeah...

then i got rubber soul and let it be slipped down in the pile

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yeah, some beatles albums are so good they blot out the sun.

the first time I heard Abbey Road, I nearly collapsed in music coma by the end.

others, like, Let it Be, take more time.

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139. "Remembering George Harrison by Ravi Shankar (swipe)"
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Associated Press

ENCINITAS, Calif. -- I feel I have been cheated by George. Why did he have to go so soon at such a young age when I really wanted to go first?

In moments like this, it is so hard to express the feeling of emptiness and sadness within. Like a film flashing by, everything comes to my mind since I met him more than 30 years ago. His childlike quality, his shy but naughty little smile, his passion for all the music he loved and the serious quest for religion, particularly the old Vedic Hindu tradition, always amazed me as well as attracted me.

The down-to-earth quality in George was something I could relate to with such joy. He would crack up when I told him all my jokes; we had such fun! We always competed with each other in punning. When I told him that I was known as a "pundit" because of my punning, he said something hilarious, connecting the old Hindu scriptures of the four Vedas (Rigveda, Samveda, Atharvaveda and Yajurveda). He said: "Do you know the four Wether brothers? They are Ric, Sam, Arthur and George Wethers."

The only solid lessons on sitar he had from me were in the summer and autumn of 1966, which he couldn't pursue as much as we both wanted. He was very talented and would have become a great sitar player if only he could have given some time. His love, knowledge and understanding of Indian music developed immensely over the years. I gave him a copy of the book "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Swami Yogananda, and my brother, Rajendra, gave him a book by Swami Vivekananda. He had such thirst for the knowledge and wisdom of Indian traditions. In many ways he was more Indian than many Indians.

Though I had been performing all over the world since 1954, my association with George attracted a whole young generation to sitar and to me from the mid-1960s. Even though I didn't make any records jamming with him or any other pop or rock star, I was treated like a superstar, being the Beatle George's guru. Then came Monterey, Woodstock and finally the big Bangladesh concert, which he totally handled in producing. Because of George we had Bob Dylan, Eric Clapton, Leon Russell and other eminent musicians.

After a year or so, when he spent time with me in Varanasi at my house, he suggested we make a couple of records and perhaps tour the United States. We did the first recording in the A&M Studios for his Dark Horse label. It was then that he met dear Olivia (whom he married in 1978). In the summer of 1974 the second album was recorded ("Festival of India") at his own studio. I'll never forget those couple of months when we worked on this album. I did all the compositions on the M4 while traveling from London to his home in Henley. George created such an atmosphere with such love and regard. We would start rehearsals in a beautiful large hall with a view to his lovely garden. We would have Indian food and snack between rehearsals.

The recording was finished with simultaneous editing, which George was doing himself, always asking me to hear when he was satisfied. After this period of creative joy we went to tour the United States, giving more than 30 performances. George had a special 737 Boeing jetliner completely refurbished for us to travel in.

What touched me so much was his worry about my health and well being. He would tell me always not to travel and exert myself so much. Then from the role of disciple and friend he became more of a son to me, especially after my own son Shubho died in 1992. He would fly and be with me whenever I was in the hospital or not well with my heart problems. His love and concern touched me deeply.

I'll never forget how much love, care and time he gave to another project he did for me while staying in our house here in Encinitas. He went through all the details, right from choosing all the artwork, to writing the notes, to producing the four-CD boxed set "In Celebration," selections from my 40 years of sitar performances and compositions. The last wonderful musical experience I had with him was when we made the CD "Chants of India." We did some songs in Madras and the major part at his own studio in his mansion at Henley. His nearness and attention in producing the record always inspired me so. Even the complex compositions came out of me so spontaneously.

Another one of many funny incidents was when George, Olivia and their son, Dhani, came to India in 1995 and spent a few weeks. We went to Jaipur, Jodhpur and Udaipur. In Bombay, Delhi and Calcutta people recognized George and created a stampede, which George hated. But we had no such problem in Rajasthan and he enjoyed it so much. On our last stop, Udaipur, while we were walking in the busy main streets shopping ornaments of silver, colourful materials, dresses, turbans, having tea and snacks all of a sudden there was a big crowd which surrounded us. I was terrified thinking they had recognized George, but it was actually me they were after. Then the funniest thing happened. George, realizing the situation, immediately became my bodyguard. "Move, move. No, no. Don't bother Panditji." And cordoning me with both his hands, he brought me to our waiting car and saved me from those autograph hunters. The others were already seated, and when the car started, we burst out laughing.

My daughter Anoushka and my wife, Sukanya, also were so attached to him. He had a beautiful and loving wife in Olivia and a wonderful son in Dhani. He had a magnanimous heart and always cared so much. He was a fearless and beautiful soul always conscious of God. I loved him dearly. Though he is gone physically, he will always be alive and vibrant in my heart.

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143. "the craze: 1964"
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On January 20, 1964, Capitol Records released MEET THE BEATLES. While it was not the first proper Beatles album in the U.S., it was the first time most kids had seen or heard an album by them. At this point, it was known that the group would finally be coming to America, with a television appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show.

It's hard to even think about how much this moment changed the world, but The Beatles coming to America was as big of an event as the first rocket in space. In fact, the way it was experienced by people, The Beatles were from space. American entertainment was primarily "American", and anything outside of the U.S. was "exotic". Capitol Records' bread and butter for years was albums featuring music from the orient, Greece, and other out-of-the-way places, most people saw their world as "American", what was down their street. The Beatles were foreigners in every sense, and the music scene in the U.S. had never had a major foreign artist to embrace. Well okay, Capitol Records did have Kyu Sakamoto's "Sukiyaki" in 1963, but many considered it a novelty song. (A series of "foreign language" songs would oddly enough become a trend in the U.S. for many years. In fact, some say Desmond Dekker's "Poor Me Israelites" was a hit in the U.S. because most people liked the beat and didn't understand the lyrics).

At the same time, with Beatle overhype in the air, other record labels scrambled to find ways to cash in. Cover versions of Beatles songs in England were now hyped up in the U.S., and labels who passed on them before were now looking for ways to release the same material.

On the first week of February, in anticipation of the arrival of The Beatles, radio stations across the country started holding Beatles marathons, and would talk about how the group would be arriving in "five Beatle days". On February 7, 1964, the Pan Am door opened and The Beatles were greeted by a wall of screaming fans. The American media were then interviewed in the all-too-famous session where they were asked everything about their hair (most considered it too long) to what they plan to experience in America. Two days later, they were introduced to the rest of America by Ed Sullivan on his show.

For those who were alive on that day, many look at February 9, 1964 as the day which changed their lives. It has been reported many times that the crime rate in New York City on that day was almost non-existent, for anyone who had a television or access to one was watching the group. From the moment Ed Sullivan said "ladies and gentlemen, The Beatles", it was all over. Teenagers in that theater were screaming non-stop, and the adults were holding their ears, wondering when Topo Gigio was going to come on). When they would show each Beatle close-up on the screen, the crowd would react, with Paul getting the most screams. Many had dismissed them as nothing more than pop fodder, another trend, but what did impress older viewers were their "sophistication" (thanks to Brian Epstein's image emphasis) and the fact that they could actually play instruments, following a period of teen sensation music. Even jazz musicians started to notice, for while they were in separate worlds, jazz was becoming less "popular" by 1964 and rock'n'roll had already taken over. When The Beatles shook hands with Ed Sullivan and the group waved to the crowd, it was official: The Beatles had arrived.

Two days later, they would play their first American show in Washington DC. The routine would continue: stop in a new city, start a press conference, be asked the same questions over and over to where they would often deliver fake answers to save their sanity (the British sense of humor and sarcasm wasn't quite part of the norm in 1964), and play for a full 30 minutes. Hide out at their hotel, maybe find young girls hiding in their hotel rooms, and experience American culture through radio and television.

People in England were very pleased, while parts of the media in the U.S. were wondering if any of this was worth it, many saying that by the end of 1964, if not the summer of 1964, Beatlemania would become a thing of the past. Yet no one, not even U.S. record labels, was prepared for how well tuned the Beatles machine was. They had signed a deal with a few merchandising companies so that fans could have their own cups, lunch cans, and wigs. Thousands of bootleg products came out as well, but it is said that The Beatles made well over $10,000,000 in merchandise in 1964 alone (convert that to 2005 prices and that's a hell of a lot of wigs).

When the group went back to England, they would record more songs, taking advantage of the "serenity" of the recording studio. While they loved meeting fans and performing, the studio was their playground. On February 25, 1964, the group recorded "Can't Buy Me Love", which would be the first new song to be released. Upon word of its release, Capitol received 1.7 million advance copies, which was unheard of. Some viewed it as record company hype, but all of those records sold in a week, leading Capitol to keep on pressing future copies.

On April 4, 1964, "Can't Buy Me Love" was on the #1 spot on the Billboard Singles Charts. However, the rest of the top 5 looked like this:

2) The Beatles-Twist And Shout (Tollie)
3) The Beatles-She Loves You (Swan)
4) The Beatles-I Want To Hold Your Hand (Capitol)
5) The Beatles-Please Please Me (Vee Jay)

The group were represented on the charts by four different labels. Tollie was actually a Vee Jay subsidiary, as the label were now taking advantage of the 14 Beatles songs they still owned. It was through this release through Tollie that made "Twist & Shout" a hit, and making some think that it was a Beatles original, not a song that the Isley Brothers had been known for a few years earlier. On the Billboard album charts, MEET THE BEATLES was #1, and Vee Jay's former flop, INTRODUCING THE BEATLES, was at #2.

Then word came about that the group were doing a film. They spend March and April filming what would be A HARD DAY'S NIGHT, which offered a chance for the group to act and share their love of British cinema and comedy. People discovered the humor of Lennon, the cheekiness of Paul, the mild mannered-George, and a different side of Ringo that most were not aware of (during the scene where he walks on the riverside to take photographs, which was and still is a hobby of his).

Over in the U.S., Capitol released THE BEATLES SECOND ALBUM. Every two weeks there was new Beatles product in stores, and that was something other labels didn't ignore, for you'd eventually have Beatle parodies and knockoffs, with record covers showing nothing but wigs or long hair do's for men. If it looked Beatle-ish, it was bought. Atco Records was able to cash in when they obtained the rights to release some of the Tony Sheridan-era material, including "Ain't She Sweet" as a single. It has been long rumored that the Atco/Atlantic mixes were touched up, specfically in the drums. Well known jazz drummer Bernard Purdie had also done session work for other Atlantic artists, and it is said that he played over Pete Best's drum tracks. If you listen to the early mixes and the Atlantic mixes, there are obvious differences. Purdie over the years has insisted that he played on most of the Beatles work, and Ringo didn't do anything. Purdie has not offered any actual proof, other than that he did receive a check for his services.

The movie came out, and now the group were part of the big screen. It was received very well by the media.

Throughout the year, more tours, more time in the studio, more hype. The singles and albums were recorded for specific reasons in England, but Capitol in the U.S. felt a need to squeeze as much out of it for their own needs. Capitol released five Beatles albums, including a documentary album called THE BEATLES STORY. Vee Jay continued milking their Beatles work by releasing the same set of songs as a series of "oldies but goodies" 45's, 7" EP's, and even as THE BEATLES VS. THE FOUR SEASONS. They would continue to make appearances on The Ed Sullivan Show, release German versions of "I Want To Hold Your Hand" and "She Loves You", give a song to Peter & Gordon ("A WOrld Without Love") that would become a huge hit, write songs for other artists, and do these things as if they were effortless. The group would also greet artists from Motown, Stax, and Atlantic when they would have package tours in the UK. This lead to many friendships, and eventually soul/R&B versions of Beatles songs. While the media hyped the Beatles vs. Rolling Stones battle, if there was any true battle, especially on the charts, it was the Beatles vs. Motown. Many fans were buying both, good music was good music and it was consumed equally.

The success of singles, albums, and a movie, anticipated more of the same in 1965. The Beatles were winning awards in England, as they were now the pride and joy of the United Kingdom. When Ringo got sick in the summer of 1964, the group hired Jimmy Nichols as a temporary replacement, but fans didn't care. When they toured New Zealand and Australia, fans loved Nichols too. When Ringo's healthy improved, it was business as usual.

At the end of 1964, fans got yet another new dose of music, in the form of BEATLES FOR SALE in England, BEATLES '65 in the U.S. What fans and the media didn't expect was the changes already being made in their music. "I'm A Loser" was the first signs of John's dark side, while "Baby's In Black", "No Reply", and "I Don't Want To Spoil The Party" showed that there was much more to Lennon and McCartney's songbook than holding hands. Their love of Buddy Holly showed up in their cover of "Words Of Love", and Paul begins to fine tune his craft with "I'll Follow The Sun". When they wanted to rock, they did it by honoring Little Richard ("Hey Hey Hey Hey"), Chuck Berry ("Rock And Roll Music"), and Carl Perkins ("Honey Don't"). The group were never shy to perform the obscure, as they did with "Mr. Moonlight". One poll even called it the worst song The Beatles ever recorded, even though it very much fits in with John's sense of humor.

Humor was something the group would continue to look for in the following year, which would bring all of them to new heights.





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162. "america discovered the beatles as a complete package"
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(this is lifted from last September's Mojo 130, and Dave Marsh's article on the impact of the 1964 tour)

An important part of The Beatles' effect was wiping out the Brill Building writing concept. "Up to that point," says Al Kooper, a Brill hanger-on who went on to work with just about everyone who mattered, from Dylan and the Stones to Lynyrd Skynyrd, "you could write songs for everybody- rock'n'rollers, soul singers, pop singers. But The Beatles and Dylan wiped that out." For the next 20 years or more, in rock, only performers who wrote at least a high percentage- preferably all- of their own material would be taken seriously. This applied to less to soul and other black dance music, which is one reason for the apparent split today, but even there artists like Sly Stone, Stevie Wonder and Marvin Gaye forged a higher artistic profile by using the Beatles model of a self-contained writing and performing group with a strong say in record production, too.

No shame originally attached to performers who worked with professional studio musicians. The Beatles fostered the trend toward self-contained groups but The Yardbirds, the Stones, The Who and other bands cemented it, because their playing was so much more interesting than their vocalising. The Beatles sang better harmony than any other rock band in history, but the harmony itself wasn't anything new. It was that kind of harmony- coming from black groups like The Shirelles, The Miracles and The Marvelettes, and from white ones like The Beach Boys, 4 Seasons and, flat but true, Jan and Dean- that dominated the pre-Beatles '60s. Similarly, while George Martin's productions had extraordinary depth and clarity, American producers like Spector and Motown's Holland-Dozier-Holland also pushed the limits of conventional record making.

America discovered The Beatles as a complete package. This package contained an ace instrumental group with splendid lead and harmony singing, based on original songs or adaptations of obscure material or half-forgotten hits, crisp production, an attractive, ever so slightly outrageous look, neither too hip nor too slick, and the best sense of humour since Spike Jones.

  

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163. "LOL @ this post blowing up"
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to 142 posts before you could get the first installment of your original idea into the conversation.

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187. "I know, and I have three more years to go!!!"
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177. "a question ..."
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anyone know about how old they all were when they came to the US for the first time.

That is an incredible piece of history.

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178. "This think it's the the Beatles Anthology book i got"
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Lemme look

Ok I couldn't find it but Here -> (http://www.time.com/time/columnist/klein/article/0%2C9565%2C588789%2C00.html) it says they were 20-24 and on the back of my Meet The Beatles cover it says

John Lennon: 23
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166. "A Hard Days Night (album & movie)"
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This is the story of my introduction to the Beatles....

I was either 11 or 12 when the Hard Days Night movie was rereleased to the theatres (I think it was 1995?). My father dragged me along to it - I was pretty reluctant having already, even at that age, brought into the cynical wisdom that the Beatles were terribly overrated because so many old people liked them so much. Plus I'd had to sing Yellow Submarine over and over at primary school to the point where I couldn't stand it (I still don't like that song). But hell, dad was paying for the tickets, so what could I lose?

I think I managed to stolidly hold onto my cynicism for all of a few minutes. I remember grudgingly thinking while the boys were running around to the title track that it was a pretty decent tune, but not mindblowingly great or anything. Then there was lots of enjoyable shenanigans on the train and Should Have Known Better came on....and it was OVER. That song converted me in one fell swoop. I loved the movie from that point on, right through to realising that the title track was fan-fucking-tastic when they reprised it at the end.

Today, Should Have Known Better is still one of my favourite Beatles tracks, A Hard Days Night one of my favourite Beatles albums (although my collection is still woefully lacking...I plan on using this post to pick up tips on what to buy next), and the movie my favourite music film of all time (Sign O The Times runs it close...but can't quite overttake it).


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221. "I too saw it in theatres a couple years ago"
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It was weird because it was during the day so nobody else was in the theatre except for me and my friend Danny. It was like having our own private screening. who else gets an opportunity like that?

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167. "the calm: 1965"
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When The Beatles entered 1965, it was probably hard for them to sit down and look back at their accomplishments. Three years before, they were struggling to get paid at dingy clubs, were rejected by Decca, and had a guitar player who couldn't play in most of the clubs they were performing in.

A number of parody records were released, including "I Want A Beatle Haircut", and a little ditty for the groups's drummer called "Ringo, I Love You" by one Bonnie Jo Mason, who most people now known as Cher. British actor Peter Sellers also did a Shakespearian take on "A Hard Day's Night", and it too became a hit. There was also a share of anti-Beatles songs.

On the side, George Martin was also able to release a number of his own records, some featuring instrumental classical variations of the music of his clients.

John Lennon was quoted as saying "When we came over to America the first time, we were only coming over to buy LP's." No longer did they have to wait for steamships to make the montly delivery, they could pick up fresh copies of their favorite records, and perhaps be able to meet them on their home turf. However, life was not as simple for The Beatles in 1964. They wanted to visit Chicago and Detroit. Their record company representatives weren't exactly in favor of this, for they never ventured to the "colored side of town". In many press conferences, the group were asked about their favorite artists, and in one interview McCartney said Muddy Waters. The journalists asked "who?" and the response was "Muddy Waters? Don't you know your own artists?" Obviously, no. When the group would tour the South, people protested because "long hairs" didn't belong in their state, because long haired men were considered homosexual. The group's influence on the youth was too much for some, and yet it had only been a year, and it was afe to say that the Beatles would be over with in 1965, right? Not quite.

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If anything, the agenda would include more time in the studio, more tours around the world, and definitely plans to make a second film. This time, with much proven success that didn't exist two years previous, The Beatles were now given the luxury of filming their second movie in color. But I'm jumping ahead of myself.

One by one, every record The Beatles released would become a hit. Back then, the A- and B-sides charted, so not only did you have one side of the record in the Top 5, but you could have the other side of the record in another part of the chart (sometimes high, sometimes low). On Febuary 15, 1965, Capitol released "Eight Days A Week" as a single, and it marked something significant in a song: while many songs faded-out, this faded in. A month later, Capitol finally gained the rights to the PLEASE PLEASE ME material from Vee-Jay, and released the same set of songs to the public YET AGAIN. (Since Vee-Jay no longer had the rights, they continued to release soul, jazz, and gospel, although that eventually lead to them filing bankruptcy three years later.)

By then, the group were filming their second movie, and enjoying the luxuries of going to the Bahamas, Austria, and England.

Inbetween filming, they would go into the studio to record yet again, eventually leading to two songs that would become a single, "Ticket To Ride"/"Yes It Is". It was released in April, and was significant because of its length: a full three minutes and three seconds. The pop tradition was 2:50 or less, 2:55 and you were pushing it. While The Beatles were not the first to go past the three minute mark in a single, they did set an example by pushing the limits. The single also promoted the coming of a brand new film, "Eight Arms To Hold You".

By the summer, the title would change to the title of a song they were recording just as "Ticket To Ride" hit the streets. This would be "Help!", which many consider as one of the first times The Beatles did something a bit more personal than love lost and love found. Lennon was talking about his life, and how it had "changed in oh so many ways/my independence seems to vanish in the haze". Everyone in the group was enjoying their success and everything with it, but it seemed by this point, a band whose members were not quite in their mid-20's, they were seeking something more. When "Help!" was released as a single, its B-side was Paul's "I'm Down", a more spirited take of what John was singing about on the A. "I'm Down" was a gutsy soul song if anything, and yet fans weren't even aware of how personal these two sides were.

The movie itself was very different from the first, perhaps more 'out there', and some didn't get the point of a plot which involved searching for a big ring on Ringo's finger, and spies doing everything to get it. Nonetheless it worked, the film was a huge hit, the album went to #1.

The soundtrack album showed hints of what the group had on their minds. It seemed that after a few years of making raucous rock'n'roll, the group were looking to simply and experiment. "I've Just Seen A Face" was an acoustic song, as was "Yesterday". It wasn't really a Beatles song per se, but just Paul and a guitar backed by a string quartet. It wasn't considered to be anything but an album track, but in the U.S. it was released as a single on September 13, 1965 and went to #1. On tour, "Yesterday" would be the quiet moment of the show, followed by 20 more minutes of screaming. A few other countries released "Yesterday" as a single and was met with equal success (the UK didn't released it as a single until the mid-1970's).

With HELP! still on the charts and still playing in theaters, the group would return to the studio to do what had become a time-tested tradition: release an album at the end of the year to cash in on holiday sales. On the same day (December 3rd for the UK, December 6 in the US), the group released "We Can Work It Out"/"Day Tripper" as a single, and a brand new album, RUBBER SOUL. While John and Paul would often write songs on their own (i.e. whoever sang the lead was the one who wrote it), when they worked together it often created something unexpected. "We Can Work It Out" is a perfect example. Paul's lyrics touch upon a love that might soon be gone, and it is perfectly complimented by John's bridge: "life is very short and there's no time, for fussing and fighting my friend/I have always thought that it's a crime, so I will ask you once again".

RUBBER SOUL made an impact in many ways as well. While the practice was done many times in jazz, no one in pop music had ever released an album WITHOUT their name on the cover. In other words, there were a set of accepted rules and The Beatles wanted to challenge them all. The cover was also looked upon as unique, where some felt the angle made them look distorted. The look of the cover (and even the lettering was considered significant at the time) gave the songs an aura that set it apart from their previous work. George Harrison had heard the sound of the sitar earlier that year, when a special introduction was placed before "Help!" on the soundtrack album. He loved the sound so much that he seeked the music of a musician who had a lot of respect in England and throughout Europe, Ravi Shankar. But before they would ever meet, Harrison bought a sitar and learned on his own, which lead to him playing it in John's "Norwegian Wood (This Bird Has Flown)". The love of the sitar would eventually change George's life forever, as well as pop music, for the sitar would eventually be linked to the music of the late 60's. John, on the other hand, was writing a song about a woman he liked, wanting to sleep with her, finding her gone when he wakes up, and lighting "a fire/isn't it good/Norwegian wood". It would be awhile before fans realized this was a reference to smoking a joint, something that up to that point was considered "a jazz thing". The pop world was perfect, with most people not aware or even caring about an artist's personal life. The Beatles were becoming more open, and the music reflected this and the changes going on. RUBBER SOUL is considered their acoustic album, with folk influences that would make an impact on thousands of musicians from that point on.

A few years previous, Elvis Presley was in the Army, becoming a role model for those who viewed him as such. But he had never made any political statements. Jazz artists had often made statements, but allowed the music to speak. Anyone listening to John Coltrane knows he had a lot to say, especially on an album like MEDITATIONS. But in the pop and rock'n'roll world, you did your song and kept your mouth shut. At a time when all attention was on The Beatles and everything they did was analyzed and scrutinized, people wanted to know what they felt about the new war in Vietnam. McCartney simply said "I am against it". It wouldn't be the first time the world paid close attention to the words of The Beatles, as they would find out a year later, when a comment John Lennon made about their popularity would lead to the eventual end of their days on the road. If RUBBER SOUL showed a relaxed, calm side of The Beatles, the events of 1966 would put them in the eye of a hurricane they didn't want to be in.






































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174. "man...you are killing this thread"
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im loving it

when is the next one?

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180. "i have a question too"
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when how and to what extent did ringos participation in the band come in?

in the last segment it was like he didnt do anything

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188. "Ringo began playing with them in August 1962"
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From that point on, he played on most of everything the group did (by 1968, Ringo briefly left the band and Paul would play on bits and pieces of THE BEATLES (The White Album). Paul also played on "The Ballad Of John & Yoko") a year later).


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190. "Yeah that's Paul on Back In the USSR"
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I believe.

  

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397. "Paul didn't really respect Ringo after a while"
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it was widely known that Paul would overdub his parts after he left the studio

that's partly why Ringo quit the group for two weeks right in the middle of The White Album

but they just kept playing without him

Paul played the original drums or overdubbed at least half of the drums on The White Album

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213. "That is just the beginning"
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237. "nice summary"
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are you writing all of these john? Good work.

Another significant piece of information regarding this period is that in 1964, Bob Dylan introduced them to pot. They took to it immediately, and its influence over their songwriting began to show itself on Help. Certainly they were stoned for most of the filming of that movie, but since like you said ... such things were generally under the radar in the pop world (unlike Jazz) ... noone thought to ask.

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440. "thank u john/norwegian wood"
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for all the jewels.. it might be elementary to some but i really thought norwegian was about the fire or john admiring the girl's furniture.. lol i have a lot to learn

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168. "The Yellow Submarine - movie and music"
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I remeber being a kid, and for years not waivering from "the Yellow Submarine is the greatest movie of all time." It must have started when I was in elementary school, and for year after year I would wait for it to come on television ... cuz it was only once a year. I would keep my eye on the TV Guide, knowing that one day I would look to find that it was going to be on. I knew their music from early on, but it was the visuals that intrigued me.

Of course, once I discovered drugs, I had a whole new appreication for the movie. I would watch it daily for a while, studying the images ... the silly jokes (typical Beatles Humor, British stoned word play ...). If you haven't seen this movie ... I just don't know what to say about how much you are missing out on.

The songs were a kind of mixed bag. Hey Bulldog alone made the soundtrack worthwhile. I love that piano sound they had later on. Much of it was earlier material from Revolver and Sgt. Pepper, and the new songs ranged from a yawn (All together now) to new-level psychedelic classics (Baby You're a rich man, all too much, northern song)

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170. "The Beatles and Orientalism"
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The Beatles were perhaps the most famous promoters of Orientalism ... the exotification of "the East" by the Western imaginary. Even though I believe in the sincerity of George's spiritual journey (can't say I know the man really), the impact that India's influence had over this particular group -- and particularly the influence that their expression of it had over music and culture as a whole -- cannot be overstated.

Think of the string of events that Norweigan Wood has given birth to ...

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175. "is indian considered oriental?"
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i say no but..

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179. "In terms of the British Colonial Imaginary ..."
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India was the ultimate representation of "The Orient." It was one of their most exotic and treasured "possessions."

Not to mention of how all the hippies took it up. Exotification at its finest.

And if it wasn't Indians from India, it was Native American Indians they were being culture vultures of. LOL.

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181. "The Beatles - 1962 Live Recordings"
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hXXp://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3PX7VJCKJ2UKN3DK30MBH5KCTC

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183. "I have the Beatles Anthology book"
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it's a HUGE.ASS.BOOK. I mean HUGE.

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184. "The Beatles Live At Budokan Hall (1966)"
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Payback will be comin later in the post I am sure

  

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185. "Can somebody post "The Night Before?""
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from the "Help!" soundtrack.

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189. "Here ya go"
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hXXp://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=0HUQI4OCZO7MM1RR8R2JQ0CQTJ

The rest of the album will be coming shortly.

  

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247. "bless you, sire"
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:)

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186. "the storm: 1966"
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At the beginning of 1966, The Beatles could look back at the previous year with them giving each other a pat on the back. George Harrison's guitar work was an essential part of The Beatles' sound, and while his one or two contributions to their albums suited everyone, it was obvious he seeked something more. He eventually began to write more at home and while on the road, but for the most part, it was still John and Paul's party.

The early part of 1966 found everyone busy, with John and Paul still writing for others, and of course going back on the road many times.

But on March 4th, a British journalist asked John Lennon about his views on religion. Normally, religious/spiritual questions was something you generally didn't do, but John decided to answer in a serious manner:

"Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. I needn't argue with that; I'm right and I will be proved right. We're more popular than Jesus now; I don't know which will go first - rock 'n' roll or Christianity. Jesus was alright but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It's them twisting it that ruins it for me."


He was right, for it was obvious that Beatlemania had become much more than just being a fan of the music. Perhaps the media built up their hype beyond their original intention, which was to make music and make money in the process. The group had become role models for a generation, and even minor things in interviews would become cover stories for teen magazines. The quote in England did not make an impact, for it was simply looked upon as an opinion. It would be awhile before the quote surfaced in the United States.

May 1966 saw the release of "Paperback Writer" as a single, b/w "Rain". Considering the use of deep bass in hip-hop, listening to "Paperback Writer" might not even be considered worthy of a mention. However, after the song was mixed, they sent for an acetate/dub plate to be made. The cutting engineer (the person who makes sure that the grooves on a record are properly aligned) was very concerned about pressing this record, because no one had ever recorded a song with that much bass, or where an electric bass was pushed into the front. It was believed that if you played the record, the needle would constantly jump, making the record unplayable. It's B-side, "Rain", also featured Paul's bass playing pushed up front, and people at Parlophone in England were worried people would return a defective record. The bass work is one of the records many redeeming qualities (pay attention to the group singing "Frere Jacques" in "Paperback Writer")), and it would immediately go to #1.

"Rain" would reach #23, and while many enjoyed the moodiness of the song, something else also caught the ears of Beatles fans. It is said that Lennon was someone who enjoyed making home recordings, and would often bring home reference recordings of whatever the band recorded. As the legend goes, Lennon put the tape of "Rain" backwards, and when playing it, he heard his voice backwards. This common mistake made him decide to use it in the final mix. Initial reviews thought it was John delivering an Indian chant. This mistake with tapes would lead into a lot of tape manipulation for the remainder of The Beatles' career, using the engineering board and tape machine as being part of the band. While this type of tape manipulation was well known in the avant-garde, and to some degree in jazz (Roland Kirk played with "found sound" on some of his albums), it was not part of the norm to include this in pop music. That would soon change.

Around this time, The Beatles decided to do a series of photos with photographer Robert Whittaker, someone whom they had worked with many times before. The project was to be called "A Somnambulant Adventure", which was said to have been done to show that The Beatles were not holier than thou, that they were human like anyone else. In other words, they wanted to "pop their own bubble". The project was never finished, but one of the photos reached the offices of Capitol Records in the U.S. Capitol, not willing to wait for new Beatles product, decided to press up their own collection of Beatles songs. It was called YESTERDAY & TODAY, featuring a number of singles and a few songs that were only on the UK version of RUBBER SOUL. They released the album featuring a photo of The Beatles covered in meat and broken baby doll parts. It was released, and many people were disgusted, wondering what they were thinking of. Capitol immediately called back all copies, and a new cover was created. While a few were destroyed, Capitol generally slapped a new paper click on the old covers and put them back on the streets. The greatness of The Beatles was now in doubt, for they were doing things that was not considered acceptable. Grossing out their fans? Yuck, right? In England, the photo was used to promote "Paperback Writer" and nothing was said. It was considered "arty" and nothing more. The "Butcher Shot", as it is now known, eventually took a life of its own:
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In the spring, the group would enter the studio to record an album that would be very different from what they had done a year before. It was more experimental, with more bass from Paul, more twisted tales from John Lennon, and out-of-the-world sounds. On one hand you had a beautiful ballad such as "Here There & Everywhere", on the other you had "She Said, She Said", which was John Lennon's view of what happened when Peter Fonda gave them some acid (it is said that acid was introduced to The Beatles through Bob Dylan the year before). George Harrison offered two very different songs, the Indian "Love You To", and the rocker "I Want To Tell You". Paul was quick to share his love of acid in a song that most people thought was a love song between man and woman, "Got To Get You Into My Life". REVOLVER goes back and forth between the laid back and the surreal, and it would escalate with the album's closing song, "Tomorrow Never Knows". It is a song filled with nothing but tape manipulation, with laughter flipped backwards to sound like elephants, guitars going everywhere, and four bars of a drum phrase looped over and over throughout the song. The song was the first to be recorded for the album and was originally titled "The Void", with its lyrics based on the Tibetan book of the dead. But upon its release as "Tomorrow Never Knows", with its words "turn off your mind, relax and float downstream", it set off a movement which lead many people to do just that. It wasn't just the music that was creating a change, but the events of the world, socially and culturally, that would effect the changes all around. While the last lyric "or play the game, existence, to the end/of the beginning" may or may not have been a reference to a board game, many at the time viewed the music as an actual end, and the beginning of what was to come.
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On July 3rd, The Beatles would make it to the Phillipines for the first and last time. The next night, they would play to a crowd of 50,000 cheering fans. The group were treated as royalty. However, President Ferdinant Marcos and his wife Imelda had invited them for what they viewed as a "special dinner". However, the word didn't get to The Beatles, Brian Epstein, or anyone else. They broadcasted the dinner live throughout the country, only for people to discover The Beatles weren't showing up. The Marcos' viewed this as a snub, and the next morning, they were told by the police to immediately get out of their country, or face serious consequences. The royal treatment they had when they were coming into the country was no longer there, as crowds were yelling and throwing stuff as the group attempted to make it to the airport. Security was almost non-existent, and when they boarded the plane, someone came onto the plane and said "we want all of the money you earned, or you will not make it out of here alive". As Ringo Starr later said in the "Anthology" documentary, the Marcos dinner was actually a political rally of sourts, and they were glad that they didn't take part in it.
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At the end of July, "Datebook" magazine in the U.S. printed the infamous quote. A lot of people, especially in the Bible belt, didn't quite get the grasp of the full quote and centered their attention around one part: "We're more popular than Jesus Christ". This was against everything they believed in, so now those long haired girly boys from across the pond were a disgrace, and Lennon was now a disciple of Satan. The Beatles were evil, and radio stations in the South immediately banned all Beatles songs from the airwaves, at the same time calling for record burnin rallies. Many complied, bringing all of their Beatles records and memorability to burn.

Brian Epstein was forced to have a press conference to offer "damage control" on Lennon's religious remarks. A few days later, REVOLVER was released, with "Yellow Submarine"/"Eleanor Rigby" released as a single. The album and 45 was looked upon as a dark period for fans, as they weren't sure whether or not to approach it. The group had made that much of an impact where people were afraid of their influence. A few days later, The Beatles held a press conference, where John reacted to the reaction of his words:

"If I had said that television is more popular than Jesus, I might have got away with it. It's a fact, in reference to England, we meant more to kids than Jesus did, or religion at that time. I wasn't knocking it or putting it down. I was just saying it, as a fact and it's true, more for England than here. I'm not saying we're better or greater or comparing us with Jesus Christ as a person or God as a thing, or whatever it is, you know, I just said what I said and it was wrong, or was taken wrong, and now it's all this shit!"


At the same time, The Beatles were about to start what would be their last tour, but the group found it hard to tour for a few reasons:

1) The studio wizardry was becoming harder to reproduce by four people on stage
2) It was getting harder to enjoy playing music to a crowd who weren't really listening, and to play and not even hear themselves play.

Many fans, as film footage, shows, continued to show their support for their favorite band, but from the expressions on the faces of The Beatles, they had enough. On August 29th, The Beatles would play what would become their last concert at Candlestick Park in San Francisco. The group was brought in and out of the park with added security, as the group were faced with death threats from those who didn't like Lennon's Jesus views.

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Once the tour was over, it gave everyone in the group to take a break, as REVOLVER and "Yellow Submarine" began to climb the charts, records purchased by fans who weren't offended by Lennon. Lennon was asked to star in a film called "How I Won The War", so he met with Richard Lester, whom he worked with previously in the first two Beatles films. George Harrison went to India to meet with Ravi Shankar for the first time. Shankar has said when he first heard George playing the sitar in "Norwegian Wood", he thought it was horrible. The time spent in India allowed George to unwind and not be a Beatle, and it would also lead to major changes in his life that would become a spiritual awakening, something that affected him through his last days.

Paul McCartney found himself at a number of special parties and events throughout London, where he would become part of the hip crowd. It was during this time when he witnessed a guitarist from Seattle named Jimi Hendrix, who had spent some time in England to form a band called The Experience.

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In November, the group went into the studio to start on a project that was said to be an album with a theme, about their childhoods. The first song they recorded was Paul's "When I'm Sixty-Four".

In December, the group recorded two more songs for the project, the very happy "Penny Lane", and the gloomy-sounding "Strawberry Fields Forever". The gloomy-feeling came from John's slowed down vocals. When the band recorded the song, it was done with simple instrumentation, and the addition of a mellotron. George Martin was asked to create a string arrangement, so when it was done, he had done it at a different key. Then, as the story goes, Martin slowed down the Beatles recording a notch, and found that it was now in tune with Martin's string arrangement. It was a classical piece, although one part of the song has a slight Indian flair to it (the sound of the cello).

At this point, the group had said goodbye to touring, and wanted to concentrate making music in the studio. Abbey Road Studios had become their playground, and a way to escape from the chaos forced upon them in the outside world. The storm finally came to pass. As Paul later said in interviews, they wanted their records to now be the show, for the album to be the thing to go "on tour".

They would soon discover, as if my cosmic energy, the path this "tour" would take them, and their fans.






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191. "minor note-"
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i thought 'got to get you into my life' was about marijuana?

*shrug*

back to reading the post

  

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193. "I've heard it being a reference to both at different times"
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I think I'll edit if I can.

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219. "I think your right"
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While I don't tend to believe a word out of McCartney's mouth a lot of the time, he's claimed to have only dabbled with LSD four times.

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192. "btw,"
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i'm enjoying this series of yours immensely

  

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198. "WHOA ... Hold the Press!"
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>album's closing song, "Tomorrow Never Knows". It is a song
>filled with nothing but tape manipulation, with laughter
>flipped backwards to sound like elephants, guitars going
>everywhere, and four bars of a drum phrase looped over and
>over throughout the song.

Okay ... I'm with you. Yes, the song was a HUGE de

>The song was the first to be
>recorded for the album and was originally titled "The Void",
>with its lyrics based on the Tibetan book of the dead.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Is this referring to some kind of compilation? (Obviously never heard of it. Wildly intrigued!) OR a Beatles project (The Void)?

SOmeone please post up on this. Was Tomorrow Never Knows just a single song intended for this album, or was it the beginning to a kind of lost album (The Beatles' Dream Factory) ...

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203. ""The Void" was the working title to "Tomorrow Never Knows""
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The lyric "surrender to the void" is the only thing that existed from the original title.

I should have been more clear on that.


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238. "*breathing normal again*"
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okay ... whew.

I thougt it was a whole album with lyrics from the Book of the Dead. Something that they just didn't get around to finishing or something.

Now THAT would have been radical for the time.

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215. "George Martin is the 5th Beatle"
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194. "The Beatles 5th LP (Help!)"
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by British reckoning.

hXXp://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1C5F6BY30T0A00PLIC25014ZMO

  

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199. "here ..."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=88093&mesg_id=88093&page=#88554

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201. "Hmmm?"
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196. "The Beatles - Live At Candlestick Park (1965)"
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hXXp://s39.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3MHAQWDNJD23410FLEMYA2C7D8

Their last concert apparently.

  

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197. "thanks-"
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you're the mccartney to book's lennon

  

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200. "lol"
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I think that's DubSpt but thanks.

  

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222. "aw"
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Thanks.

Hey, I know, you can be George, the secret weapon!

- Dub

I give rappers the biz for being m-izza-a-archaic.

  

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204. "the ride: 1967"
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The year began with the Beatles returning into the studio to do the project they started on in November. No longer did they have to tour, and no longer did they have to make public appearances, at least by choice. They had always made appearances on television shows, but they were beginning to create short films as their way of promoting themselves. Creating "promotional film clips" was nothing new, as Nickelodeons were popular in the first half of the 20th century, and in the South, when artists were not able to travel in rural areas, there would be juke joints were special "video jukeboxes" were placed that featured "moving pictures" of everyone from Duke Ellington to Big Mama Thornton to Sister Rosetta Tharpe.

In the modern day of television, most people performed live on TV. Now it was possible to use the same television medium to show small film clips. When "Strawberry Fields Forever" and "Penny Lane" came out as a single in mid-February, 1967, it coincided with the release of two films, each one representing the song. It was the first time fans got to see something new on the Beatles: mustaches. Plus, the group weren't performing in these films: "Strawberry Fields Forever" considered of them running backwards, and at slow speed, through an open field, climbing trees, and pouring paint over a piano. "Penny Lane" had them walking around the Liverpool neighborhood where the actual Penny Lane is located. This was an approach no one had seen before, and in time this promotional means would take on its own life.

"Strawberry Fields Forever" was the A-side and considered the "hit", but radio stations in the U.S. felt it was too dark, and perhaps in reaction to Lennon's Jesus comments, some stations preferred to play the lighthearted B-side. Nonetheless, "Strawberry Fields Forever" went as high as #8, and "Penny Lane" went to #1. In England, the single charted as a double-A side and went to #1. It has been said that when radio stations played "Strawberry Fields Forever", DJ's would talk as the song was fading, and were shocked to find that the song "came back", or fade out only for it to fade-in with full volume again.

In early 1967, it was decided that perhaps they should scrap the idea of doing an album about their childhoods. Some of the songs they were doing at the time were based on that theme, but they wanted to try something different. For Paul, he had been heavily influenced the year before by PET SOUNDS by The Beach Boys. Upon hearing it, he said it was the most beautiful record he had ever heard, and much of his writing in early 1967 comes from PET SOUNDS' influence. Perhaps Brian Wilson's influence is not as surprising, considering Wilson was a huge Beatles fan as well, and was said to be very happy whem he found that The Beatles would become labelmates when Capitol signed them in the U.S. Both Brian and Paul, at separate times throughout the career, have often said there was hidden communication, and a healthy competition between the two. If Paul heard something in a Beach Boys song, he'd try to answer back. If Brian Wilson heard it, he would respond in kind.

Work on their new album would continue through mid-April. It was the longest time they had ever taken to record a full album, but there were no deadlines to meet. This album would be to their own satisfaction, without worrying about when and how to release it. Some people had been invited to sit in during the sessions of the album, and their comments was that "something is about to take place". The recording sessions continued, with final mixes being done and new songs recorded for other projects, including "Only A Northern Song" and "Magical Mystery Tour".

Even when the mixes were complete, the group also had the idea of playing with the actual record itself. Since the final mix of the album had been done with little to no silence inbetween tracks, according to the book "The Beatles Recording Sessions", how about adding something after the last piece of sound?

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June 1, 1967, Parlophone Records released SGT. PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND, with a U.S. release two days later. The album cover, shot on March 30th, not only featured The Beatles in costume, but in wax form, along with various other "special guests" ranging from W.C. Fields to Bob Dylan (it lead to many people staring at the cover, wondering who was who, and why they were on the cover). On the back cover were the lyrics for each of the songs, the first for a rock'n'roll album. It also had a gatefold, again regular practice for other genres but not in the pop world. But it was the music that turned heads. Arguably, the music may not have much in common with the season that would become "The Summer Of Love", for in the same period, you also had the debuts of Jimi Hendrix, Jefferson Airplane, The Doors, and Velvet Underground. But it became part of a movement, the celebration of a universal love, something more, mind expansion, and taking the phrase "to boldy go where no man has gone before" to an actual level. SGT. PEPPER became a part of the social and cultural changes that were taking shape, and became the soundtrack for many people who were seeking more than what was being given to them. If early Beatles albums were like elementary and intermediate school, then REVOLVER would be senior year, and SGT. PEPPER is graduation.

If The Beatles were considered to be from outer space, SGT. PEPPER was definitely "out of this world", from George's beautiful Indian influenced song "Within You, Without You", to the distant echoes at the end of "Lovely Rita", or the carnival sounds at the end of "Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite". It was a lot of sound crammed in 37 minutes of music, yet it was only done with 4-track tape machine, occasionally mixing and assembling full tracks on one channel to create more tracks. The limitations of technology at the time allowed them to explore the possibilities of what was there, and they did it.

It was a performance on wax, and as the record seems to end, a new song comes in: "A Day In The Life". For those who were in the studio at the time, no one knew what to expect when sessions for the orchestral build up were to happen, not even the orchestra. They wanted a very large sound, so George Martin hired 40 musicians to become his orchestra. The command was to play the scales, from the lowest note to the highest, within a certain period of time. The time involved the space of 24-bars in "A Day In The Life", the gap between John's part and Paul's portion of the song. The orcehstra had no idea of this concept, to create unstructured noise for the sake of it. But they did.

The orchestra build up was recorded four times, but instead of using one particular take, Paul suggested that all four takes would be used, to offer a much bigger sound, as if 160 musicians were in the studio. On the album, as the group anticipated the end of the album experience, they would be taken through a simple song about one's "day in the life", nothing but mere observations of the world around you. It was very simple in approach, but the suggestion from John that "I'd love to turn you on" (which some viewed as being drug-oriented) and the orchestra buildup not once, but twice, created a moment in music that had not been experience in music before. It has been said that there was a sense of togetherness, or a need to love one another for the sake of doing so. It seemed as if everyone was listening to the album at the same time, and the emotion created through the listening experience is interpreted through the last orchestral build up. It was overwhelming, and then... the last chord. And the final drone. (If you listen real good, someone in a chair moves before someone offers a quiet "ssshhh".)

Remember the silence after the last chord? In every country but the United States, SGT. PEPPER featured a tone that only dogs could hear, and two seconds of laughter that would play infinitely when the record reached the run-off groove. This technique of having sound at the end of the record, where the needle hits the matrix, was suggested by an engineer, who knew of engineers doing the same on jazz 78's. If for some reason you dozed off when the record was over, and you had a phonograph that didn't return your needle, you'd still have the record playing and the sound of people laughing. The high-pitched dog done was placed as they were mastering it to vinyl, and was the last piece of the puzzle. The only time most Americans had heard it was when the album was released on CD for the first time, which duplicates the sound of the laughter repeating over and over and over. Or, if you were a diehard Beatles fan, a record nerd, or both, you bought an imported copy. If you were warped, you reversed the "inner groove" and discovered that, maybe, someone was saying "we fuck like Superman". SGT. PEPPER was released with no singles, and officially the album became "a work of art", to be listened to as a whole and not just a collection of random singles. It was an "experience" that jazz fans had known for years, to hear "an album of work" as if it was a performance, and now it would be explored in rock'n'roll.
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A few weeks after its release Paul McCartney did a television interview where he talks about taking LSD. A few days later, evangelist Billy Graham suggests that Paul should be searching for much greater in life, but it will not be through LSD.

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Even during the mixing stages, the group continued to record. As the album was getting critical praise around the world and eventually heading to #1, they were in the studio to record a song for one of the first televised satelllte broadcasts. The show was "Our World", and the Beatles were asked to represent Great Britain. They agreed, and their segment consisted of the group recording "All You Need Is Love", showing George Martin behind the mixing board. In truth, the instrumental had been done earlier, and the only thing that was live during the broadcast was the vocals and the strings. The crowd gathered in the studio also created the party atmopshere heard at the end. Throughout the song, the strings can be heard playing a number of different melodies, including "Greensleeves", "La Marseillaise", and even "In The Mood", and of course John bringing back "She Loves You". According to "The Beatles Recording Sessions", George Martin included these compositions, thinking that the copyright had expired. "In The Mood", however, was not, and EMI had to pay a settlement for the unauthorized use of the song. In jazz, paying 'homage' was part of the norm, but if you were the high profile Beatles, it was a bit harder to get away with taking a melody or two.

A month after the release of SGT. PEPPER, "All You Need Is Love" was released as a single. If the album didn't represent the summer of love, "All You Need is Love" definitely did. No surprise, it too went to #1.

A few days after its release, The Beatles and Brain Epstein put up a full page newspaper ad, which said "the law against marijuana is immoral in principal and unworkable in practice". Fans light up.

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With time to play with, the group decide to expand their minds a bit more by flying to India to meet with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. With George's interest in India's religions and philosophies, it created a gateway to not only the spirituality of India, but also a respect for much of Asia's spiritual belief systems as well.

In their second day of mediation, they discover that Brian Epstein had died, due to an overdose of sleeping pills. Close friends of Epstein said it was an accident, while others claim that it was intention, but of course that can be said after the fact. It's hard to believe that someone who was with one of the most successful groups in the world, would want to end his life. At this point, there are a number of stories describing the life of Brain Epstein, and you can continue there.

This effectively ended their time in India, but they promised they would return. Judging from quotes that both John and Paul would make later, it seems there was already tension in the air. If you are to believe John, he said once Epstein had died, it was the end of the group. Perhaps sensing this, McCartney would start on a project that he hoped would help lift the spirits of the group. By doing this, Paul had become the unofficial "leader" of the group.

The group went into the studio to record a series of six songs, meant for this project. Then John, Paul, George, Ringo, selected friends and complete unknowns, were asked to ride a bus along the English countryside, and Paul said that a film crew should record anything and everything that happened. Inbetween, they would film segments for each of the new songs. The film and EP (it was compiled as a full album in the US) would be called MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR.

In November, they gathered to record "Hello, Goodbye", a simple nonsense song about saying hello, and goodbye, with the group singing "hey la, hey, aloha!" at the end. It was lighthearted, typical Paul, and it went to number one. The B-side was a song that was written for the sake of making no sense, and yet it would become a song that many fans and critics would try to analyze for years. The song was "I Am The Walrus" (which is personally one of my all time favorite Beatles songs), which sounded mystical and whimsical at the same time, even though no one knew what a "yellow master custard" was. For longtime Beatles fans who thought SGT. PEPPER was too confusing, it seemed as if the Beatles were getting weirder. Paul was the sensitive author of love songs, but John was the cooky one.

Eventually MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR would be released as an album in the U.S., but fans didn't get a chance to see the film. In England, the film was shown in black & white (it was filmed in color) on Christmas Day. The movie was considered a major flop, with critics saying that the group have lost their minds. One reviewer went to say that "The Beatles are definitely capable of failure, and this is proof". As a film, it would not be seen in the U.S. until the mid-1970's, when it became a part of "midnight showings" at theaters.

Looking back, a recent article in (I believe) Mojo magazine (or maybe Uncut, don't remember offhand) said that SGT. PEPPER and the American MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR album could easily be considered flipsides of the same album, because all of the songs they released in 1967 are part of a complete package. In order to fully enjoy one, you also have to enjoy the other. Even British fans seeked the MMT album in the U.S., since it featured the singles in LP form, and it was one of the few times when fans in England were looking for an American pressing of anything.
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If it is true that the group wanted to turn us on, they did so with a ride no one will ever forget. The ride eventually stalled in a magical mystery bus that went nowhere. Perhaps they were dying to take us somewhere with their music, and yet they felt the death of their manager would be the end of their career as a band.

For some fans, back then as now, maybe they should have. Yet without the events of the next two years, there would be less music to enjoy. An end was not quite in sight, for there was hope from all sides to keep the band's spirit together. They would find the answer in 1968.










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216. "THIS"
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>yet it was only done with 4-track tape machine, occasionally mixing >and assembling full tracks on one channel to create more tracks. >The limitations of technology at the time allowed them to explore >the possibilities of what was there, and they did it.

Is amazing. When you play old Beatles You must have a good system or half of it will be cut out.

  

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217. "If you're listening in stereo, otherwise..."
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...the mono mixes work just as great, at times better.

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347. "a question about George Martin"
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was he always the one responsible for the stereo mixes? Or did J&P have input?

The stereo mixes always seemed pretty revolutionary to me (for the time), with all the vocals panned to one side for example.

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353. "In the early days, they left mixing duties to George Martin..."
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...and Martin would work with the engineer, such as Norman Smith (who eventually found his way onto the early Pink Floyd albums).

The way they mixed stereo back then (vocals on one channel, the band on the other) was the way most pop and rock & roll were mixed at the time. Jazz, on the other hand, had had a hand in stereo mixing for awhile before the rock & roll world was able to catch up.

As stereo phonographs got cheaper, and more people listening to records in stereo than in mono, it eliminated the need to do two separate mixes. One instance in where Martin changed his production and mixing technique was when he heard a foreign version of SGT. PEPPER from Asia (I want to say Singapore). He received a copy of the album, but the EMI plant in Singapore pressed the record wrong. When he played "When I'm Sixty-Four", all he could hear was Paul's reverbed vocal. In other words, they isolated the side of the stereo track which had Paul's echoed voice, and not his main voice. He then realized that for the future, all vocals should be centered in the mix to prevent that from happening again.

The main task of mixing and editing was generally left to George Martin. Think of the GET BACK sessions, and how they had abandoned it. They initially gave the task to Glyn Johns, whose mixes were good but then the plans to release them were cancelled. That's why the task of mixing the album was given to Phil Spector.

They may have had a few suggestions, but they left those duties to Martin and the engineers.


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228. "I love that two-second scramble of laughter"
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>
>Remember the silence after the last chord? In every country
>but the United States, SGT. PEPPER featured a tone that only
>dogs could hear, and two seconds of laughter that would play
>infinitely when the record reached the run-off groove. This
>technique of having sound at the end of the record, where the
>needle hits the matrix, was suggested by an engineer, who knew
>of engineers doing the same on jazz 78's. If for some reason
>you dozed off when the record was over, and you had a
>phonograph that didn't return your needle, you'd still have
>the record playing and the sound of people laughing.

The first time I heard this it was on a player that returned the needle at the end of the record, so all we got was the silence after Day In The Life ends...and then WHAM, two seconds of sudden cut-up laughter before the needle lifted off the vinyl. Shocked the hell out of me. Even better, when my sister first heard it, she threw herself halfway across the room to get away from the freaky sound.


>The only time
>most Americans had heard it was when the album was released on
>CD for the first time, which duplicates the sound of the
>laughter repeating over and over and over.

For this reason I take issue with the CD version...I want just the sudden burst of sound, and then album over! A tiny quibble, but I still wish I could get a CD copy that does this.


Francis.

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274. "Magical Mystery Tour"
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I agree that the movie is barely watchable. It only begins to make "sense" if you're tripping on LSD too (they had at least two fluid liters of it on the bus with them while they made the movie). But even then ... not really.

I also had no idea that Northern Song was recorded at around the same time as Sgt. Pepper (that is what you said ... right?)

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279. "I love the movie, actually, but yes..."
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"Only A Northern Song" was recorded during the SGT. PEPPER sessions.

According to "The Beatles Recording Sessions", this was George's initial submission for the album. The song was recorded in Febrary 1967, but wasn't touched for another two months. By April, they went back to the song again although it seems by then there was no intention for it to go on SGT. PEPPER, especially since George was working on "Within You, Without You" earlier in the month. Perhaps George felt that it was superior over "Only A Northern Song", although they obviously wanted to use it, perhaps as a B-side, since they kept remixing and adding things to it.






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295. "interesting"
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was there some unwritten rule at the time that said that George could only have 1 song per album?

I mean ... all the songs he was writing then were monsters. When did he record The Inner Light?

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304. "The Inner Light was recorded in early 1968"
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It was done during the sessions for WONDERWALL MUSIC, and was recorded specifically for the A-side. But yes, there was a "rule" that he would get one or two songs an album.


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205. "I must admit, I don't care about the Beatles... at all."
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I'm scrolling through the debates..... eh...

I bought revolver and the white album some years ago and bet I haven't ever listened to either in their entirety in a single sitting.

As a music lover, I realize there is this important part of musical history that I know nothing about, but I just don't care. I've tried to care. I really have. But I feel there are so many much more interesting historical musical albums to dissect, learn about, learn about the players, etc... than anything by the Beatles.

I admit there is a race component to it. I personally happen to be much more fascinated about black soul music from the same period and feel there is so much unheard music from that period to discover that to dissect the Beatles is a waste of time and takes away valuable time from giving homage to great black musicians, bands, singers from the same era that will never get an ounce of the attention that the Beatles receive.

I'm much more interested in the social impact the Beatles had on Britain and the US than the music itself, but am content to just let the whole Beatles thing pass me by... kinda like Usher, 50 Cent, Dipset, or Joss Stone to me.... some people / groups I just decide not to explore...

I'm not hating or 'doggie-mad', but I think any discussion of the Beatles should include the counterpoint that for many people the Beatles are not relevant to their musical basis beyond the fact that they sold a shitload of records and their music spoke to a wide wange of people.

  

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208. "As a Hawaiian, I am equally fascinated by black soul music as well"
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My love of The Beatles' music doesn't come from "my white side dominating over my Hawaiian or Chinese part of me", I don't think like that. But their music moved me, and yes, the cultural aspect of their impact is very important to their history as well.

But if you don't like their music, that's completely fine. There's a lot of music I ignore too, but if I know just a little, I can admit to knowing that much.

I also think that once you find musical influences of various musicians, songwriters, and singers, you tend to find that many have a lot in common. It's too easy to say "The Beatles made it, but how come Eddie Bo didn't make it? Eddie Bo was on Capitol too", and in a better world, every piece of music you've listened to, I've listened to, every record ever bought would have had equal respect.

Was The Beatles success a "white thing"? Well, they were white, yes, but they also had everything going against them as well. That doesn't make them more valid, more of a rip-off, more of a sham. I also realize that many people feel the music pre-Beatles was far better, as they added a slightly more "corporate approach" to how music should be marketed. But like hip-hop, in many ways The Beatles were making it up as they went along, for some of their ideas and concepts had not existed. They borrowed from many sources, they acknowleged their influences, but were always thankful.



The music of The Beatles moved me, they made me not want to be like them, but to have the same creativity that they wanted not only in their music, but in themselves. John Coltrane seeked this as well, so did Miles Davis, so did Charles Mingus, so did Sun Ra. It's unfortunate that the stories and opinions aren't known until after their deaths, or that people do not think of their own views and philosophies as being of value. The myths and hype of various artists is interesting, but I also like to read about the real side, and sadly many of those views from people aren't known because they were never told. There was a great interview with Eddie Bo in "Wax Poetics", and he is worth countless books, yet he is not as huge as a Louid Armstrong or even Fats Domino. Yet Eddie Bo is an essential part of not only soul and funk in New Orleans, but his records inspired many in the world of hip-hop.


I would love to read an in-depth story of James Brown, and not have it capitalize on his troubles. At times it can be a good sidenote, but in the end, it's the feeling of the music that matters. Maybe in the end it's all useless facts, but I want to know.

Because I do know, I share, and perhaps those who read can go on their own paths in learning, and experiencing music with their own perspective, perhaps experience something new at the same time, towards hearing other music.





































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218. "Just"
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Since it was mentioned above, here is

Fats Domino
Blueberry Hill

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209. "Many people have felt like this"
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Particularly me. If you really love music, you owe it to yourself to put the White Album on and just rock out. I tried to get into them with Revolver too, and it didn't do it for me, I was like fuck these limey crackers, James Brown would murder their bitch asses. Then I heard SPLHCB around the Christmas that just passed... With my 24 year old ears I was able to fully appreciate the album as a complete rock solid serious artistic statement... Where would I start with why it's the goat. I mean just look at the MFn cover! There wasn't no photoshop back then... That was a serious undertaking, a life size 3D diorama of who would be at this imaginary concert... That's art, and world class legendary art at that. If you love music, you'll come around. I long to break my foot off in the ass of whitey as much as the next cat, but they transcend racial boundaries man. Real talk.

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223. "I honestly believe that anyone"
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Given the right time can become a Beatles fan. That doesn't mean they will like everything, but they will come around to something.

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234. "dissecting? wha? just enjoy the songs"
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you don't need to listen to the albums if you don't want to

just get a compilation and notice that their number of classic songs is in the dozens

if you can admit that, nothing else is required

  

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220. "the core/corp: 1968"
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First off, let me just say that with each post I've done so far, it's taken about 60-90 minutes to do. When I tried to put the entry for 1968, it didn't go through. I foolishly pressed refresh and it deleted my entire post. So rather than go through it all over again, I'll do a short version (or as short as possible)
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With a movie that was considered a failure, it made everyone in the band rethink their plans, and perhaps figure out a way to bring up their spirits. George Harrison was already in India, putting together the Indian music he would use for the film "Wonderwall". The band had approved an animated motion picture to be made, based on their music. It wasn't going to be anything like the cartoon series based on the group.

While in India, George asked the Indian musicians to record the backing track for a song he would use as a single. This would become "The Inner Light", with Ashish Khan (son of Ali Akbar Khan) on sarod. A month later, The Beatles as a whole would record "Lady Madonna", based on Humphrey Littleton's "Bad Penny Blues". The song had a jazz feel, but Paul wasn't sure how to fill the empty space. It was agreed that a horn section would work, so musicians who were in London at the time were asked to come to Abbey Road and record. No music was written, but after jamming for a few minutes, Paul was able to say "I like this, and I like that, let's use it". What was also notable in the song was Ringo's drumming, which had become heavier since "Strawberry Fields Forever". Now, Ringo was adding a slight groove to his drumming, which complimented the jazzy feel of "Lady Madonna" quite well.

Once finished, John and George (along with their wives, Cynthia and Patti) went to India to continue their meditation with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. Paul (and girlfriend Jane Asher) and Ringo (and wife Maureen) woudl soon follow, along with a number of special guests, including Beach Boy Mike Love (he too wanting time away from the chaos that was the SMILE album, and also exploring his spiritual side), actress Mia Farrow and her sister, Prudence. They enjoyed the time away, as well as the meditation and rest, but they would also become bored quickly. John, Paul, and George had brought their guitars and would soon find themselves writing, a few songs of which were influenced by the events there. Ringo didn't like the food, so he flew back home to eat some real food. When it was noticed that the Maharishi was doing more than just flirting with the ladies, the group decided that perhaps it was time to leave, against the Maharishi's wishes. But they left, with a bundle of songs in their books and a sense of reawakening. They wanted to work again.

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The Beatles announced they would be starting a company known as Apple Corps (a play on the words "apple core"). It would be a record label, a film distributor, a clothing store, and a boutique. While the idea was great, it was obvious that without proper guidance, The Beatles did not know how to handle the business side of things. A boutique store that was opened in London lead to a liquidation sale, where everything went for free. The group preferred to concentrate on what they enjoyed best, and this was make music.
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Within the months spent on the album sessions, the group recorded two songs specifically for release as a single. "Hey Jude" was Paul's ode to John's son, Julian, although after its release, some felt the line "remember to let her under your skin/then you begin, to make it better" was a reference to heroin. If "Hey Jude" was the spiritual, then John's "Revolution", a look at the world that was the summer of 1968, was an open wound. The two songs were perfect, making some to call it the most perfect Beatles single ever, giving fans a "1-2 punch". Upon its release in August, the song would evetually make it to #1 in the U.S., where it stayed for nine weeks ("Revolution" made it as high as #8).

Also during the sessions for the album, John Lennon & Japanese avant-garde artist Yoko Ono began to see each other on a regular basis. It wasn't made known to the public yet, but those who did were upset, especially since John was still married to Cynthia. John, with his love of tape recorders, decided to ask Yoko over to make a recording. It would be nothing but the two of them making silly noises, sometimes with each other. They consumated their relationship, and released the events as an album.

The group would continue to record songs for the album. In that time, Lennon and Cynthia's divorce becomes official, which allowed him to spend even more time with Yoko.

Ringo leaves the band, because he said that he felt he wasn't needed. In that time, Paul would play drums on a number of songs, including "Birthday" and "Why Don't We Do It In The Road".

The summer of 1968 had the entire group popping in and out of various studios inside of Abbey Road, sometimes doing songs together, sometimes doing their own songs, sometimes contributing vocals on one track, other time assembling tapes, or doing mixes. It seemed endless, but it was obvious the group was hard at work.
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In November, George Harrison would released WONDERWALL MUSIC, the soundtrack to the film "Wonderwall". Fans were confused, for its mixture of Indian classical music, rock, jazz, and dixieland, was not exactly what they had in mind. It did, however, go as high as #49 on the charts.

If word about the relationship between John and Yoko shocked people, they'd get an ear and major eyeful when tho released UNFINISHED MUSIC NO. 1 - TWO VIRGINS. The cover featured the two naked (front and back) on the day they recorded the album. Capitol Records in the U.S. refused to press it, comedian so Bill Cosby came to the rescue when he allowed it to be released through his new label, Tetragrammaton (it came out on Track in the UK). Its commercial potential made it chart as high as #124 on Billboard.

A few weeks later, Apple Records released THE BEATLES, all 30 songs worth. Some felt that for an album which suggested a group, it was an album made during a time when the group was falling apart, and an album that was full of songs recorded on their own, hints of what would come in two years. It was truly a random selection of songs, the only thing in common being most of it was composed in India (Ringo's "Don't Pass Me By" was a song he had sung in interviews as early as 1965). Yet its imperfections, and diversity of material, is what makes it appealing to most fans. It was not attempting to make a statement, although some journalists were quick to say that if there was a statement, it was one of utter failure. Then again, how many albums can you name that featured music as challenging as "Honey Pie", "Revolution #9", "Helter Skelter", "Long Long Long", and "Goodnight"?

In the same month, YELLOW SUBMARINE was released as a film. Fans weren't sure where The Beatles were, and maybe John, Paul, George, and Ringo didn't know either. It didn't stop THE BEATLES (commonly known as The White Album) from hitting #1 on the charts.
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The members spend December of 1968 trying to regroup and figure out what's next. Tension was in the air, and within the inner circle, it was obvious they all wanted to try new things. If anything, the Apple which was to be the fruit of their labor was now beginning to rot and stink up the place. Apple as a label was working fine, with people discovering the music of Mary Hopkin, Jackie Lomax, and an American artist named James Taylor.

What the group needed was to somehow return to their roots. And in the end, they would eventually find themselves.























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224. "I just want to say thank you for all of this John"
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All of these have been extremely insightful and interesting.

To me, I think the most interesting story behind the song has to be Sexy Sadie, simply because it is about John's disappointment in the Maharishi.

Also, did I miss something about Lennon being on heroin, cause somehow I have never heard this before.

I think that The Beatles is great not just as an album, but also for what it represents. They had to do a double album because they all had so many ideas that were just busting to get out. If they had never released something so sprawling that was so indulgent to all of them I do not think they would have ever decided they needed to go back to their roots and do the stripped down "Let It Be" album. And then, once again, I think that Let It Be is great for what it represents: as an album it is somewhat of a failure, but it did what it needed to do. It eased the tensions in the band just enough for them to get together and work for one final hurrah, and that was Abbey Road. I think that that is what makes Abbey Road so spectacular to me; it is the final album and they all sort of new it. You had that string of albums Rubber Soul to Revolver to Sgt. Peppers that in my opinion mark the height of pop music and then things all sort of fell apart, but in the end, they fell apart masterfully. The White Album is a ragged representation of this, and in a way The White Album is the sound of disappointment. If you think about it, the white cover is almost ironic because of how dark so many of the songs are. Just look at the two most cartoonish songs on the album "Bungalow Bill" and "Rocky Racoon." Ultimately those songs are about killing. The album deals with hurt, seperation, and disappointment, with moments of light thrown in every once in awhile. To me it makes those light songs even more sad, partly because they come from Paul. It is well known that Paul and John had a great rivalry, and I really think that Paul was envious of John's ability to emote. So everytime something bad was going on, Paul puts on a happy face, "Birthday," "Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da," "Martha My Dear." Yet out of this comes some of the purest music they have ever made. Having I Will and Julia right next to each other hits me every single time, its the softest knockout punch you ever feel. Then at the end of the album the last person you hear is Ringo telling you things like "now the sun turns out its light, good night, sleep tight." It is a very warm and welcoming end to what can be a very bleak album, and I find something so honest and real about that I can't help but love it. Okay, so I have rambled for a while, but I felt the need to.

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289. "Happiness Is A Warm Gun"
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>Also, did I miss something about Lennon being on heroin, cause
>somehow I have never heard this before.

listen to it again, and/or read the lyrics

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332. "are you referring to the "I need a fix" part?"
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Cause that could be any drug really, but I honestly had never heard of him being on heroin before.

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335. "His heroin use became more of John's story than a "Beatle" one"
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I don't have the info on me, but look at the photos around the White Album/GET BACK/LET IT BE period.

From what I read, it started when he started going to parties with Yoko. The scene she was in was full of unusual people, and both of them started taking a lot of things. Even "Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey" is said to be a reference to his heroin use.

For the most part, the media hyped up their use of marijuana and LSD. When "Cold Turkey" came out, it was after the release of ABBEY ROAD, and Lennon and Ono were pretty much their own people, it was obvious he was trying to move away from the Beatles image. Eric Clapton, who also played on "Cold Turkey", was battling heroin too, and it wouldn't stop until after the whole Derek & The Dominoes project (that too was also major project filled with drugs, with he and Duane Allman doing a lot and then some).

Paul was about weed, LSD, and cocaine. John went for the heroin, yet it was John and George who were busted for their drug use on separate occasions in 1968. In fact, John even put a photo of their arrest on the back of the LIFE WITH THE LIONS album:
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Apparently Lennon didn't like the control heroin had on him, and oddly enough him getting off of heroin wasn't publicized or discussed as much.






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341. "From what I know of heroin and coke, those drugs seem to match"
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Cause to me heroin has always been a drug of admitted selfdoubt because it is such a nullifying drug, whereas coke really will pick you up. not that it makes you happy but it will give you that pow, yaknow?

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344. "I'm glad that I never looked to drugs"
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I think those school films had a major effect on me, and I just didn't want to mess myself up. So technically, I don't know, but I know of people who went down that path and never quite returned.



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348. "it is something i've been around, but stayed away from myself"
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So I feel like I understand the drug users mind without ever having taken them. still, my views of heroin are all hearsay, but i think its relatively accurate.

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372. "I've read that the "monkey""
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was actually a reference to a cartoon that had appeared in a newspaper which depicted Yoko Ono as a monkey, following Lennon around...

  

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373. "I wouldn't be surprised, although I also heard on a radio show that..."
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...the lyric or title was influenced by Fats Domino.



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402. "im referring to The Warm Gun"
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bang bang, shoot shoot...

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404. "in all fairness"
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He got that from an NRA ad that contained the words "happiness is a warm gun"

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462. "yeah, but he still coulda co-opted it for his own meaning"
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especially when you combine the lines "when i hold you in my arms/ and i feel my finger on your trigger/ i know the world can do me no harm." with the fact that he was a heavy drug user at the time, i always took it to be about heroin.

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442. "i thought that was a sexual thing"
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not a drug thing.

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226. "the end: 1969"
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It wasn't until April that anyone heard any new Beatles music, a long time considering the schedule of releases between 1963-1966. The group began the year by going into a film studio to record and document the origins of what they had hoped to be a club tour for the group, to introduce themselves to the public again. Fans were eager for anything, but wanted to keep it very basic. Nothing weird, nothing added, just the group. The sessions would go on for hours each day, playing their favorite records, their old songs, and always practicing on new material. The Beatles also had a new presence with them, one which irritated the other members to a degree. Yoko Ono was now a part of John Lennon by all means, and she was not going anywhere. Even when she was sick, Lennon brought in a bed for her. For Paul and George, they felt at times that this was slowing down the creativity process, but not completely. At one point, George gets so fed up with the process of a song that he gets up and leaves the band. His temporary departure was not known until the film was released over a year later. Ringo, being the gentleman that he is, just kept behind the drums and waited for his cue.

The time in a film studio moved them to take their music outside, specifically on the top of the building where Apple Records called home. It was on January 30, 1969, where The Beatles played their infamous rooftop concert on a cold British winter morning, leaving fans on the street below wondering who was playing the music, or knowing that it was The Beatles, how could one get closer. The group were joined by someone who they jammed with in the film studio, Billy Preston, whom Harrison was interested in signing to Apple. They would play for less than an hour before the police came in and told the group to stop.
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Two months later, John & Yoko are married. A week later, Paul announces his marriage to American photographer Linda Eastman, whom he had been seeing off and on for two years. Many are surprised, especially since Paul had been associated with Jane Asher for years.


April saw the release of "Get Back"/"Don't Let Me Down", the first Beatles record to feature an outside musician in the main credit, that being Billy Preston. It it his keyboard solo you hear in "Get Back", and his playing in "Don't Let Me Down" add a nice touch to an emotional song. The two songs were a taste of what was to come, or what they hoped was to come. An album called GET BACK was to feature the best of the songs recorded in January. Rough mixes of an album were created and send out to radio stations, only for it to be called back when the group felt the songs weren't worthy for release. The planned club tour was eventually scrapped.

A few days after the release of "Get Back", John and Paul were in the studio to record "The Ballad Of John & Yoko". Ringo was working on the film "The Magic Christian", while George was on holiday somewhere. The new song, about John's time with Yoko up to that point, was a simple song with powerful playing from the two Beatles. A few days later, George and Ringo returned and they would record "Old Brown Shoe", the single's B-side. These sessions would also become the start of what would be their last album recorded as a band. George Martin, after not being too happy about the disaster he felt The White Album was, and the mess that was the Get Back sessions, was asked once again to produce. He agreed, but said that they'd have to do the album his way, or no way. The group agreed.
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Spring 1969 also saw the release of two more solo albums. From John & Yoko there was UNFINISHED MUSIC NO. 2 - LIFE WITH THE LIONS, and from George, ELECTRONIC MUSIC. John & Yoko's album was filled with feedback, screaming, singing in bed, the sound of a heartbeat, and someone flipping a radio dial for 12 minutes. It charted as high as #174, and John was definitely "the weird one". But then what to make of ELECTRONIC MUSIC, an album with nothing but noisy elecronic sounds? If WONDERWALL MUSIC confused Beatles fans, ELECTRONIC MUSIC was far worse. It stayed on the bottom of the Billboard Album Charts for a full two weeks, going as high as #191. The two albums were released on Zapple, a short-lived experimental side of Apple. An album of noises by Richard Brautigan was also meant for release, but it was scrapped from their catalog (it would be released a year later on Harvest).
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If The Get Back Sessions were an attempt to get back to the roots, then the album known as ABBEY ROAD would be mission accomplished. The sessions had a no-bullshit attitude, which helped things move smoothly.

During these sessions, Allen Klein is brought in to manage the group. John, George, and Ringo agree. Paul refuses, preferring for his in-laws to manage him. Despite tension in the air, recording session s continue. Before the end of the summer, everything for the album was completed. August 20th was the last day all four Beatles were present in the studio, during mixing sessions for "I Want You (She's So Heavy)".

The end of September saw the release of ABBEY ROAD. For some, it was a return to greatness, and perhaps a sign of more to come, but this was not to be. It was a rock'n'roll album like no other, showing the best The Beatles had to offer. It resulted in what Frank Sinatra called one of the best love songs ever written, George Harrison's "Something". The album also featured a memorable medley of songs on Side 2, which FM radio stations would play from start to finish. As the year came to a close, some critics called ABBEY ROAD the best Beatles album ever.
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At the end of the year, George Harrison found a love for producing and doing session work for others. Ringo too found himself being an in-demand session drummer, willing to play with anyone. Paul had a few tricks up his sleeve.

As for John, he closed the year by releasing two albums. WEDDING ALBUM was a box set commemorating his marriage to Yoko, featuring newspaper clippings and a cardboard piece of wedding cake. Side one featured John and Yoko saying each other's names for 22 minutes, side two was an interview of John and Yoko in bed in Amsterdam. These sessions in bed were pro-peace events, to talk against the war. While their events were a bit crazy, they did bring attention to the cause. A few weeks after their marriage, they gathered at another hotel, this time in Toronto, Canada, for another bed-in. They also invited a number of friends, including the Hare Krishna temple of Toronto, Tommy Smothers of the Smothers Brothers, and others who wanted to join him and Yoko, for a performance of what would become "Give Peace A Chance". It was released under the name The Plastic Ono Band.

A month after the ABBEY ROAD sessions, Lennon was in the studio to record a song about wanting to get off of heroin. Eric Clapton joined him on guitar, along with Ringo on drums, and Klaus Voorman (the Beatles' longtime German friend who did the artwork for REVOLVER) on bass. The result was "Cold Turkey", which was a full volume song not everyone expected, complete with Lennon screaming in extreme pain for the last 90 seconds of the song. The single marks a departure for Lennon, as it becomes the first song to not be "Lennon/McCartney" (even "Give Peace A Chance" was credited to McCartney, even though he had nothing to do with it).

At the end of the year, Lennon releases LIVE PEACE IN TORONTO, a recording of John, Yoko, and the Plastic Ono band at a rock'n'roll revival festival in Canada. The Plastic Ono Band for this performance was similar to the group that recorded "Cold Turkey", with Andy White replacing Ringo. The album consisted of one side of John, doing a few Beatles favorites and his own songs. During John's performance, Yoko is tied up in a big white bag. Side two has Yoko exiiting the bag and singing/screaming a great version of "Don't Worry Kyoko (Mummy's Only Looking For Her Hand In The Snow)". Eventually this leads to Yoko screaming for 12 minutes (in "John John Let's Hope For Peace") as Lennon and Clapton create feedback. It is a powerful moment that no one quite understood at the time, and it's hard to tell if the crowd is cheering, booing, or both.

The music and events all of them participated showed signs of wear and tear on the group, and yet no one was quite prepared for the announcement that was to be made in 1970. As a group, they proved they were still at the time of their game if they put their minds to it. But individually, they were distant. By the time Christmas 1969 came through, it was obvious there was no turning back. The off ramp was just ahead on what had become a long and winding road.





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229. "a lot of this is news to me"
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but especially this:

>Spring 1969 also saw the release of two more solo albums.
>From John & Yoko there was UNFINISHED MUSIC NO. 2 - LIFE WITH
>THE LIONS, and from George, ELECTRONIC MUSIC. John & Yoko's
>album was filled with feedback, screaming, singing in bed, the
>sound of a heartbeat, and someone flipping a radio dial for 12
>minutes. It charted as high as #174, and John was definitely
>"the weird one". But then what to make of ELECTRONIC MUSIC,
>an album with nothing but noisy elecronic sounds? If
>WONDERWALL MUSIC confused Beatles fans, ELECTRONIC MUSIC was
>far worse. It stayed on the bottom of the Billboard Album
>Charts for a full two weeks, going as high as #191. The two
>albums were released on Zapple, a short-lived experimental
>side of Apple. An album of noises by Richard Brautigan was
>also meant for release, but it was scrapped from their catalog
>(it would be released a year later on Harvest).

I had no idea that individual members had been releasing solo albums prior to their breakup (I also had no idea where Oasis had grabbed the title for Wonderwall from). I certainly had no idea that said solo albums appear to be the Beatles equivalent of Metal Machine Music...I knew John and Yoko liked their wierdo recordings, but George?

If John, or anyone else, has actually listened to these two albums (or Two Virgins or Wonderwall), is there much worthwhile on any of them? Or are they like Metal Machine Music - more fun to talk about than to actually listen to?

(BTW John, I should add to the thanks for your massive work in this post - it's been a fantastic read, especially as someone who knows a bit about the Beatles but not nearly as much as I'd like to)



Francis.

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232. "RE: a lot of this is news to me"
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>but especially this:
>I had no idea that individual members had been releasing solo
>albums prior to their breakup (I also had no idea where Oasis
>had grabbed the title for Wonderwall from). I certainly had
>no idea that said solo albums appear to be the Beatles
>equivalent of Metal Machine Music...I knew John and Yoko liked
>their wierdo recordings, but George

Yep. What makes ELECTRONIC SOUND more interesting is that it was Bernie Krause (of the group Beaver & Krause) who introduced Harrison to making electronic music. On the album, it is said that Krause did one of the tracks, while Harrison did the other. The album cover has Krause's name scratched out.

>If John, or anyone else, has actually listened to these two
>albums (or Two Virgins or Wonderwall), is there much
>worthwhile on any of them? Or are they like Metal Machine
>Music - more fun to talk about than to actually listen to?

WONDERWALL MUSIC has a lot of great songs in it, like any other album that is meant for a movie. There are a lot of twists and turns on it, but it's one of my favorite albums.

TWO VIRGINS is very much something to talk about. You know the chatter at the end of "Revolution #9" where you hear John Lennon moaning, leading to Yoko saying "you become naked?" Now stretch that out to 30 minutes and you have TWO VIRGINS.



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419. "I Want You (She's So Heavy)"
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I can listen to that song 20 times in a row.

That haunting guitar riff, Billy Preston's organ, Lennon's desperate vocals.

It's like a bad dream that you don't want to wake up from.

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448. "i thought ringo left already, did he come back?"
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i noticed that in "the core/corp" he left cause he felt that he was not needed but then he is here, in "the end" just playing and not saying a word

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450. "He came back during the White Album sessions"
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He talked about it in the ANTHOLOGY series, where he said when he returned, he was greeted with flowers around his drum set.

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227. "we're on our way home: 1970"
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1970 began with a bit of optimism from fans. Paul found himself producing music by Badfinger and Jackie Lomax. George also worked with Lomax, as well as Billy Preston, Doris Troy, and the Radha Krishna Temple of London. While Harrison enjoyed working with his favorite pop artists, he felt the Radha Krishna Temple project was much more serious, allowing him to share his spiritual and religious beliefs to the world. Or as he said about the project, "sound is God", and it was the sound of Krishna and his flute which inspired him to get involved with the project. Two songs featured his personal involvement, by creating Western arrangement to two Krishna chants.

At the end of January, Lennon released a single that fans finally could agree in liking, "Instant Karma! (We All Shine On)". It was an accessible song that helped it go as high as #3 on the Billboard Singles Charts.

Ringo devoted his energy to recording an album of old pop standards, featuring arrangments from Paul, George Martin, Klaus Voorman, and even Quincy Jones.

Paul spent the first part of the year recording an album in his home studio, playing everything, a true "solo" album. Upon its release, there were no singles, although some FM stations were giving "Maybe I'm Amazed" a push.

Just as he was about to release his solo album, Paul made a public announcement that he was leaving the group. Soonafter, the group announced that they were no more. A month later, the GET BACK sessions became known as LET IT BE, its black album cover to many signifying the end of an era. Apple Records would continue to run as a business entity, but there would be no more new Beatles records. The scrapped GET BACK sessions were given to producer Phil Spector, who remixed the entire record and at times adding lush orchestration to songs which didn't need it. While the album did go to number one, many fans considered it a waste, making fans seek bootlegs of the scrapped album. In the U.S., Apple released "The Long And Winding Road" as the last official Beatles single, and its lyrics seemed very appropriated.

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The remainder of the year kept everyone active. George and Ringo continued to balance session work with recording new albums (and George also handling production duties for others).

Ringo released his second album, a collection of country songs called BEAUCOUPS OF BLUES. If anything, Ringo would be a challenge to listen to.

By Thanksgiving, fans of George Harrison discovered that he had been saving a lot of his music for the right moment. ALL THINGS MUST PASS was called an instant masterpiece, a box set featuring 2LP's and a bonus EP called APPLE JAM, featuring nothing but jam sessions. It was a personal side Beatles fans had not explored with George before, but he did it in a set of songs that still hold up, 35 years after the fact. Harrison had given "My Sweet Lord" to Billy Preston, perhaps as a sly teaser for what was to come, and Preston had a brief hit with it too. When Harrison released it as a single on November 23, 1970, it was obviously a very spiritual record. Due to its release date, many radio stations to this day will still play it as a holiday reason. It was also the first time a song with the Hare Krishna mantra made it to the #1 spot.

John Lennon and Yoko Ono was going through primal therapy sessions with Arthur Janov. Lennon felt a need to let go of not only the disputes he and Pau had over the group, their music, and their business ventures, but also to let go of things in the past which he felt held him back:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/carousel/pob11.html

The therapy sessions lead to both John and Yoko recording their own solo albums. Each album cover had similar artwork, with John lying down on Yoko's lap for one cover, and Yoko lying down on John's lap for the other, each photographed at the same tree. It was a very serene photo, unlike the music and lyrics to be found on both albums. In John's case, he opened up about the loss of his mother (in "Mother") and looked for a chance to have faith in himself ("Hold On, John"). But it was "God" where he stated "God is a concept by which we measure our pain". It then leads to a list of things he doesn't believe in, mentioning everything from Buddha and I Ching, as well as Bob Dylan ("I don't believe in Zimmerman"), before ths shocking revelation that "I don't believe in Beatles":


"I just believe in me
Yoko and me
and that's reality

The dream is over
what can I say
The dream is over
Yesterday
I was the dreamweaver
But now i'm reborn
I was the walrus
But now i'm John
And so dear friends
You'll just have to carry on
The dream is over"














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296. "beautiful way to end it"
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you should produce a documentary about this. You have a sense of the emotion involved.

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297. "and another thing"
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ALL THINGS MUST PASS is one of the greatest albums of all time. I just re-discovered it after watching the Harrison tribute concert a few weeks ago. George's sense of melody and chord progressions is hauntingly beautiful. Each song carries a power with it ... some kind of magic.

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230. "The wrap-up"
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While he had a few albums of questionable value, Ringo Starr would finally have hits of his own, a streak which would continue for four years, the duration of his time with Apple. When Apple Records folded at the end of 1975, Ringo would find a home at Atlantic Records. Unfortunately, his singles and albums could not match the success of his work from 1971-1975. Throughout this era, he continued acting in films, and it would lead to a successful career. His last semi-hit single was "Wrack My Brain" from his album STOP AND SMELL THE ROSES. In the mid-80's, Starr was asked by Little Steven Van Zandt to play drums in his charity song "Sun City". For the sessions, he brought his song, Zak Starkey, to play with him. By the late 1980's, Ringo would find success by forming an All-Star Band, the roster of which now changes each time he goes on tour. For a generation, Ringo was also the conductor in the children's television show, "Thomas The Tank Engine". Starr continues to tour and do session work. He turns 65 this year on July 7th.
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George Harrison continued recording great singles and albums throughout the 70's, and doing production and session work for many artists. You can find him in Cheech & Chong's "Basketball Jones featuring Tyrone Shoelaces", Gary Wright's FOOTPRINT album, as well as finding himself on Ringo's and John's solo albums. After the end of Apple Records, George formed Dark Horse Records, where he released his own work as well as music from friends such as Splinter (a band featuring Bill Elliott, an artist that John Lennon worked with for a single) and Ravi Shankar.

In the second half of the 1970's, Harrison also found an interest in films, and started a film production company called Handmade Films. He would also pop up in a few movies as well, making cameos in "All You Need Is Cash" (a mockumentary about The Rutles) and "Monty Python's Life Of Brian". Harrison had been a longtime fan of the Monty Python comedy troupe, and both would collaborate many times over the years.

In the late 1980's, Harrison found himself becoming a part of the Traveling Wilburys, a group featuring Tom Petty, Jeff Lynne (Electric Light Orchestra), Bob Dylan, and Roy Orbison. When George was working on his CLOUD NINE album, Jeff Lynne was there to produce, and the idea behind this project was born. It helped everyone involved to carry their music into the 1990's, with renewed interested in everyone.

In 1994, he reunited with Paul and Ringo for the ANTHOLOGY project, re-recording tracks for two of John Lennon's demos, as well as to talk about his experiences as a Beatle.

Harrison would occasionally tour and record, but in 1998 he was diagnosed with throat cancer. A year later, he was attacked by an intruder in his home. He was able to make it to safety, but his health was slowly fading. He recorded a new version of "My Sweet Lord", which revealed George with a voice slighty weaker than the original. His last album was BRAINWASHED, which touched upon his cancer and the knife attack. Unfortunately he was not able to hear the completed version, for he died on December 1, 2001 at the California home of Ravi Shankar. A year later, friends and family would pay tribute in London with a special concert, which came out as a film and has since been released on DVD. It features many of the people who made an impact in his life: Ravi Shankar, Eric Clapton, Billy Preston, Jeff Lynne, as well as Paul and Ringo.
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Paul became the most successful of the four, with a series of hits that would continue well into the 1980's, and tours that were instant sellouts. His love of classical music, which he claims he learned during the time he spent with Jane Asher (apparently her parents had a lot of classical records, and he would listen to all of it), would come into play as he experimented in composing pieces in the 1990's. That didn't stop him from recording album and touring. He did everything with his wife Linda, and when she died in 1998 from breast cancer, he revealed that they probably spent a day or two away from each other. McCartney would eventually remarry, and he continues to record to this day. There are plans for a McCartney tour in 2005. He turns 63 on June 18th, although Beatles fans eagerly await for 2006, when Paul turns 64.
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John Lennon continued to balance his political edge with touching songs about love and life. In 1971, the drama between John and Paul heated up, when it was believed that the ram Paul was holding onto on his album RAM was a reference to John. John fired back with the IMAGINE album, featuring a postcard of John holding the ears of a pig. John went in deeper with his song "How Do You Sleep", where he proudly says "the only thing you had was 'Yesterday'/but since you're gone you're just 'Another Day'".

As a single, "Imagine" became an instant hit, even though some were offended by the line "Imagine there's no heaven/it's easy if you try". The song was rather a plea for everyone to drop the things that hold us back, and perhaps that peace is the answer.

The following year, he and Yoko recorded the album SOMETIME IN NEW YORK CITY, featuring a song called "Woman Is The Nigger Of The World", the title of which comes from a quote made by Yoko Ono. If "Imagine" made him approachable again, "Woman Is The Nigger Of The World" had the opposite effect, even though as he expected, no one was listening to what he as saying. He even had the nerve to release it as a single, in the hopes of becoming a hit:

"We insult her every day on TV
And wonder why she has no guts or confidence
When she's young we kill her will to be free
While telling her not to be so smart we put her down for being so dumb

Woman is the nigger of the world
Yes she is...if you don't believe me, take a look at the one you're with
Woman is the slave to the slaves
Yes she is...if you believe me, you better scream about it

We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance
We make her paint her face and dance"

1973 had him releasing MIND GAMES, showing a much tamer Lennon. A year later, he released WALLS AND BRIDGES, featuring the hit single "Whatever Gets You Through The Night", and the great "#9 Dream"

By 1975, the SHAVED FISH compilation was released. It also coincided with the birth of Sean Ono Lennon, which moved Lennon to take a break from making music to raise his boy.

In 1976, after years of being denied U.S. citizenship due to his political beliefs and drug arrests elsewhere, he became a U.S. citizen. John, Yoko, and Sean started their lives together, and John became what he wasn't able to do with Cynthia and son Julian: a family man. He would listen to the radio and enjoy some of the new sounds he was hearing. Knowing that Ringo wasn't doing too well on the charts, John sent him a postcard saying that maybe Ringo should try disco. John was said to be a fan of punk rock and new wave, and found the B-52's to be a personal favorite. He picked the right group, for the ladies in the B-52's later cited Yoko Ono as an influence.

As 1980 came to be, Lennon felt a need to get the music he was recording at home into a proper studio and on record. The tension he and McCartney had come to pass, for when McCartney released McCARTNEY II, he featured photos on the gatefold cover representing each of the Beatles.

By the end of the year, Lennon was kind in saying he liked some of the new music McCartney was coming out with, but was very much into spending more time with Yoko and Sean. "(Just Like) Starting Over" came out as the first single on Geffen Records, with DOUBLE FANTASY being a shared album between John and Yoko. The album received a decent response, but on December 8, 1980, returning home from the recording studio, Mark David Chapman shot him. He died hours later.

During Monday Night Football on ABC, anchor Howard Cosell interrupted the game and revealed the news. The game suddenly became unimportant, and so did everything else in the world. The man who did everything in his power to show the world the potential of peace was gunned down in anger. Worldwide tributes were held, and his words began to take on a deeper meaning. There was an angry side to Lennon, but there was also a peacful, calm side. Both sides were perhaps flipsides of the same coin, and he didn't mind revealing both. In "(Just Like) Starting Over", when he sings "let's take a trip and fly away/somewhere..." for the last time, one can't hear it without thinking of what happened on 12/8/80. That day also marked the end of the possibility of all four members reuniting.

Perhaps it is greedy on our parts to want something as silly as that. But the truth remains that The Beatles were able to make millions of people happy with their music. The magic is that it seemed almost effortless. They assisted in helping a young generation form and develop their own thoughts, and view the world differently than they did the day before. There's a lot of myth in that magic, but there's also a lot of magic in the reality as well. The music is the proof, and the words within still move people to this day, 35+ years after the fact.
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14 hours later, and I am done.







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231. "RE: The wrap-up"
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>14 hours later, and I am done.

And trust me, we have mad respect for you for it. These have all been really great.

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233. "*applauds*"
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Francis.

"But if I can be allowed a mediocre generalisation, don't pointless things have a place, too, in this far-from-perfect world? Remove everything pointless from an imperfect life and it'd lose even its imperfection."
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299. "*standing ovation*"
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for real ...

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240. "fantastic, johnbook"
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245. "RESPECT"
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you are truly the man

  

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263. "I predict"
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this will be published one day. maholo dogie.

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268. "thanks for all that john!"
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you're the man

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300. "Sometime in NYC"
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has some great songs on it.

What is the story of John jamming with Zappa again?

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309. "That was great"
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Thanks!

  

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374. "Damn, homie"
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This was quite the insightful/entertaining read. Many thanks for this. Took my whole day at work to get through all of it.




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449. "thank you john im beatled out, after reading all that"
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i learned a whole lot about them that i didn't know (which wasn't alot)

but thanks again

i copied and saved the whole thing for future reference

@silentintellect

  

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235. "props to the band that got me from just R&B and rap"
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Hey jude change my life.

http://twitter.com/Menphyel7


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236. "everything you'd like to know (link)-"
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man, i was hooked on this website..

www.beatles-discography.com

everything you'd like to know. it's all there.

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244. "Wow, it was scary to see all the picture sleeves in one place"
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I'll have to check this out. For worldly variations, click here:
http://members.aol.com/egweimi/btls2.htm

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365. "man, how i love the backround info on &quot;strawberry fields&quot;-"
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they really disected that track. and how interesting it is.

■ you're darn tootin'
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239. "Beatles influences"
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Speak on who has openly admitted the Beatles influenced them here.

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246. "let it be/ abbey road bootlegs: link"
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just thought i'd post these up. some demos and slightly different variations of songs from the era. i think some of the first ones may be from the rooftop concert but i'm not totally sure. its about 23 tracks all together in a zip file, so if its taking too long for everyone i can go and break them down into smaller files later. enjoy

hxxp://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=261BLMFXFURRM01VLO9RJN1PJW

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257. "oooh, thanks"
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I can't wait to listen to this.
People need to post up some bootlegs.
I have all of the Christmas records which are pretty interesting, so I will post those up.

- Dub

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283. "I got the rest of the Let It Be bootlegs too"
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and a bunch of others I'll get around to posting up.

  

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248. "Were the Beatles funky?"
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Yes, they were! LOL Let's discuss their funky moments...

taxman
Sgt. Peppers
Love me do (yes I think this song was kinda funky)
I am the Walrus

etc...

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254. "dig it"
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259. "definitely"
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Strawberry Fields Forever
Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
Lady Madonna
Old Brown Shoe
The End




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267. "I feel fine, also IMO very funky...those guitars, lawd"
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>Strawberry Fields Forever
>Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)
>Lady Madonna
>Old Brown Shoe
>The End
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>"I love how some hip-hop dudes think it's perfectly normal to
>rock huge diamonds and oversized pink clothing but "soft" if
>you eat a girl out." - discjockingmost
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284. "I can't believe The End"
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was Ringo's only drum solo.

  

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334. "The end of Strawberry Fields Forever"
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Which coincidentally is some funky drumming.

He also has a few mini solos (ok, they're just fills, and he just does basically the same thing) on Birtyday.

- Dub

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336. "the stereo mix of "Strawberry Fields Forever" stands out as..."
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...one of his best moments. The way the song was mixed, you can isolate one of the channels and just hear mostly drums.


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340. "isnt the stereo outro slightly longer then the mono outro?"
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That is what I seem to remember, but it was something I did in passing cause I dont have many various mixes. I really need to step my bootleg game up to be quite honest, its not anything I've ever really done and I feel like I am missing out on whole worlds to be revealed to me. If I was ever to win the lottery or something my money would be gone fast with that kind of thing.

- Dub

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343. "I know what you mean (on the $$$ thing)"
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I have to check again on which version is longer, I'm thining the mono one is, as it goes for a few seconds after the initial "cranberry sauce".




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359. "You Know My Name Look Up the Number"
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Baby You're A Rich Man
Come Together (sorta)

fuck you.

  

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389. "Glass Onion"
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n/m

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252. "The Beatles 1st. LP (Please Please Me)"
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by British reckoning.

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261. "thank u thank u thank u"
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thanks again.

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255. "The guitars in "I feel fine" FUCKING KILL ME"
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esp in the (i guess its the) breakdown, and at the beginning. OMG

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256. "The Beatles 2nd. LP (With The Beatles)"
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by British reckoning.

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258. "aw man this has "it wont be long" on it"
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I LOVE THIS SONG!!!!

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424. "Hey can anyone re-up this?"
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The link's dead ("invalid").

  

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425. "RE: The Beatles 2nd. LP (With The Beatles) Re-Up"
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by British reckoning.

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430. "Thanks so much"
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I haven't really really listened to the Beatles in almost fifteen years, except for the White Album and a various songs here and there. I really need to revisit the albums properly. Thanks.

  

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262. "your favorite underrated beatles songs"
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the ones that are gems but sometimes get overlooked by the big hits. my favorites:

for no one
the end
i've got a feeling
good morning, good morning
happiness is a warm gun
i'm so tired
yer blues

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275. "only one: In My Life"
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317. "and hey bullldog"
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519. "michelle."
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269. "A Day in the Life"
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Apparantly the BBC wanted to ban this song because of the "I'd love to turn you on," which they interperted as a message to get people to use drugs. In reality, they just wanted to turn people on to the truth. Furthermore, after 9/11 attacks, Clear Channel recommended that its affiliates refrain from playing this song to avoid hurting the senstivity of Americans.

This song is fascinating to me. The inspiration for the lyrics came to Lennon while reading the newspaper "The Daily Mail." I love the different segments of the song and their contrast to one another. I also just read that McCartney wanted a 90 piece orchestra for the "chaos section." Wow...

Anyway, this is one of my favorite Beatles song, and I wanted to make some comments on it.

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270. "i love this song...its my favorite too."
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280. "Random thought"
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I put this on a mix tape once where I had the tape end with A Day In the Life and right at the build right before the final chord i had it switch over to that one blaring guitar at the start Its All Too Much and it went into that song. I thought it was cool at least.

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290. "After 9/11, they wouldn't play Ob La Di Ob La Da on the radio"
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Now THAT was comedy.

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301. "isn't it more "went upstairs and had a smoke". also^ why Obldi Oblida?"
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I don't get either of these... what have they got to do with 9/11?

  

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333. "Cause the FCC is ridiculous"
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The problem with A Day in the Life was that it was really a song all about death, so they wanted it gone. As for ob-la-di ob-la-da, "Life goes on" ... apparently wide eyed optimism is something we shouldnt allow people, instead we should all be semi-depressed, but not so depressed that we want to listen to songs about death, like A Day in the Life.

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396. "Ob La Di Ob La Da is Yoruba for Life goes on"
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their roadie Mal Evans taught Paul that

and you know Paul, dude would make a song out of anything

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273. ""I Feel Fine" Live, ABC Blackpool August 1 1965"
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276. "is there anything to this norwegian wood story?"
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i read or heard somewhere that the song was about meeting a girl, going back to her place, getting drunk, finidng out she was a lesbian and being VERY dissappointed (thus sleeping in the tub), waking up the next morning and lighting her crib on fire (i lit the fire, isnt it good norwegian wood?)

i saw johnbook had mentioned that this song was about smoking a joint but...

anybody else hear this version?

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277. "that's true"
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Whether or not the song was based on a true story, it's not known, but that is what Lennon had said the song was about.

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298. "i probably heard the story from you....n/m"
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278. "***BEATLES reading: some suggestions***"
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It is safe to say there are over a thousand books on The Beatles alone. A few are very good, some very informative, and a few that aren't as good.

I wanted to make a few suggestions. Keep in mind this is FAR from definitive, but merely books that have stood the test of time:

* All Together Now-The First Complete Beatles Discography: 1962-1975 by by Harry Castleman & Walter J. Podrazik
This was my bible when I was in the 4th grade, and I still have the book, although without the front and back cover, and a few pages in the middle, and the book is now two halves. I am sure much of the information in this has been updated many times over, but it's merely an in-depth discography of their music, as released in the UK and US. When my friends were into Encyclopedia Brown, my time was spent in this book. Much of what I know began here. This is the cover, for those who wish to hunt it down:http://i22.ebayimg.com/01/i/03/ag/cd/95_1_b.JPG
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* The Beatles Forever by Nicholas Schaffner
My parents got me this book a year after "All Together Now", so this was around 1981 or so. This one looks into the origins of the group, looking into their childhoods and how music became a part of their lives. It goes up through 1977, around the time the Beatlemania musical play had started. Loads of photos. This and "All Together Now" were the start of me becoming a fan.
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* The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn
If all you want is knowledge about the music and what went on behind it, this book is definitely a MUST-HAVE. Lewisohn did intense research by looking at all of the original track session documents, and he had access to everything in the vaults. It analyzes every mix, remix, scrapped outtakes, jam session, and if it was recorded in anyway shape or form, it is documented here. You will hear their music differently after reading this. Around the time of the book's release, a series of Beatles bootlegs on CD hit the market, and it was rumored that Lewisohn leaked the music out. It is not the case, but for those who have seeked the bootlegs, consider this an oversized CD booklet.
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* Black Market Beatles by Jim Berkenstadt and Belmo
If you are someone who has all of their albums, but have been curious about what not has been formally released, you're in luck. The Beatles are one of the most bootlegged bands around, and a detailed history about the bootlegs, as well those who released the records (and why) are discussed here. These days, anyone can press up a few bootleg CD's and get them out to the public, but the bootleggers of the late 60's and 70's were part of an underground industry that pissed off the big boys. The book also touches on the 80's bootleg fallout, and the rise of the compact disc.
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I don't have these books yet in my collection, but Bruce Spizer has done a series of quality books that looks at the records, and the countless variations that went with it. There are thousands of Beatles record collectors around the world, and if listening to the music is not enough, or if you have an odd quirk like me and love to look at label scans and picture sleeves, these books are for you. You can go to Bruce Spizer's official website here:
http://www.beatle.net


Obviously, I have missed other important books, such as ANTHOLOGY, or the other books documenting their tours, the break-up, the backward messages, or the books which look into their work and lives as solo artists. Every Beatle fan will have a different suggested list, but the above are my favorites.


Feel free to suggest others.









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293. "Norwegian Wood by Haruki Murakami"
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Um, its not actually about The Beatles per se...but it is a damn good read. And several songs from the Rubber Soul album (including, obviously, the one the book takes its title from) feature prominently.


Francis.

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302. "above all I recommend "Revolution in the Head""
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i think the author's called Ian McDermid... I can't remember actually

but anyway it's by far the best Beatles book I think (if you can find the original edition, not the revised ones)

also George Martin - Summer of Love is good. it's about the making of sgt pepper

  

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339. "Ian MacDonald"
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I actually started reading this book a couple days ago. I got it as a birthday gift, but had originally asked for it after someone (most likely you) raved about it here in the Lesson. So far I'm impressed with the author's scholarship and analysis, although some of the technical music criticism is going over my head. What's wrong with the revised edition?

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551. "RE: Ian MacDonald"
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i think in the most recent revised edition (2002 probably) he starts to overanalyse things a bit (maybe too technical), sounds a bit pessimistic, and also judgemental about other music (dude killed himself couple years ago btw)

but overall i'm sure it's fine. migth just piss you off occasionally

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288. "***BEATLES on the big screen: the movies***"
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As a new fan, if you have some, most, or all of their music, perhaps you'd like to explore what they did on the big screen. Here are a few brief descriptions of each film, and how you can obtain them:


* A HARD DAY'S NIGHT (1964)
The first film, with one of the most memorable introductions to any music-related film: the footage of fans running after The Beatles. Shot in black & white, it was a chance to experience the Beatles in a very big way. British fans had loved the group for a year, so the film was something hoped for. For American fans, Beatlemania was only a few months old and now they wre able to consume something as big as this. Consider the film a hilarious day in the life of the fab four, with lip-synched performances along the way. The movie has been released a number of times on VHS, and had come out on DVD in the late 1990's. A new 2DVD version was released last year to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the film, and is widely available.



* HELP! (1965)
The Beatles had more money to play with, so they were able to do the film in color. Not only that, but they were able to do a bit of traveling as well. The movie involves a bit of espionage, as Ringo becomes the target due to the fact that he is wearing a ring everyone wants. The acting and storyline is a bit more loose than A HARD DAY'S NIGHT, but if you are someone who appreciates films of a slightly abstract nature, this is for you. Like AHDN, HELP! was also released on DVD in the late 1990's, but has been out of print for the last few years. 2005 is the 40th anniversary for the film, although no news has been announced for a new DVD.



* MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR (1967)
This was filmed specifically to be shown on British television, but poor reviews made the film go into hiding. At least until the mid-1970's, when the film was shown at midnight showings throughout the U.S. The movie had been available on VHS since the early 1980's, albeit in piss-poor quality (trust me, I bought one.) In the late 1980's, Apple approved of a version of the film for laser disc and VHS. A DVD version was released in the late 1990's, but has been out of print for years in most countries.

As for the storyline? The Beatles grab a bus and attempt to take a ride on the Magical Mystery Tour. Where do they end up? No one is sure, perhaps not the Beatles themselves. The imagery is as twisted as it is colorful. If anything, you get to see Ringo drunk, John shoveling spaghetti, George with a very big jacket, and Paul doing his military duty. Highlights include "I Am The Walrus" and the car race.



* YELLOW SUBMARINE (1968)
The Beatles in cartoon form. The Beatles find themselves in Pepperland, trying to save the world from Blue Meanies and Apple Bonkers. There is no need for hate, and they plead to people that all they need is LOVE. With special appearance from Jeremy Hilary Boob, Phd.

VHS copies have been around since the early 1990's on MGM/UA home video. The DVD version comes from the original negative, and features different versions of the soundtrack audio, including brand new updated mixes for all of the songs used in the film (as well as original mono). Loads of extras, easily available.



* LET IT BE (1970)
If you want to watch a band fall apart before your eyes, this is the film to see. In the past, the group had always displayed a happy, carefree image, although the music was often a better view of their reality. Unlike the other four films, this is a documentary of the group practicing songs for what they had hoped would be a small club tour. Old and new songs are recorded and practiced, but the tension in the air is very thick. The fact that cameras were around the group all the time made it hard for them to be as intimate as they would be in a recording studio, but they deal with it, despite the arguments that do go on. Inbetween, a lot of great music is put on tape. Most of the movie is filmed in Twickenham Film Studios, before they decide to head to the top of the Apple Records building and perform on the rooftop.

This was one of the first Beatles films to be released on VHS in the early 1980's, although so far that has been its only legitimate release. Bootleg versions do exist on VCD and DVD.

I know of a torrent where you can download it in DVD form. I have not seen it, nor do I know of its quality. If you want to take a shot, inbox me and I'll pass you the link.





























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292. "Let It Be is required watching if you value Rock"
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294. "to repeat myself"
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A Hard Days Night is my favourite music movie EVER. In fact, it shouldn't really be termed a 'music movie' - its a fine piece of cinema that easily stands up against the best the medium has to offer. Dick Lester did a stunning job as director, and the Beatles overcame the problem of not being trained actors by essentially portraying themselves, and playing to their comedic strengths.

Plus the performance scenes are GREAT.


Francis.

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305. "again ... Yellow Submarine"
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I remeber being a kid, and for years not waivering from "the Yellow Submarine is the greatest movie of all time." It must have started when I was in elementary school, and for year after year I would wait for it to come on television ... cuz it was only once a year. I would keep my eye on the TV Guide, knowing that one day I would look to find that it was going to be on. I knew their music from early on, but it was the visuals that intrigued me.

Of course, once I discovered drugs, I had a whole new appreication for the movie. I would watch it daily for a while, studying the images ... the jokes (typical Beatles Humor, British stoned word play ...). If you haven't seen this movie ... I just don't know what to say about how much you are missing out on.

The songs were a kind of mixed bag. Hey Bulldog alone made the soundtrack worthwhile. I love that piano sound they had later on. Much of it was earlier material from Revolver and Sgt. Pepper, and the new songs ranged from a yawn (All together now) to new-level psychedelic classics (Baby You're a rich man, all too much, northern song)

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443. "Yellow Submarine - greatest (animated) film ever"
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that was my introduction to the beatles and coloured the way i viewed them. it's trippy and fun and beautiful to look at, but when the real beatles appear on screen in at the end and sing all together now? that killed it! man i loved paul.

i remember my dad bought me a compilation album (rock and roll beatles vol 2?) for christmas when i was about 7 and i only played hey bulldog.. the rest (revolution, helter skelter) was like what the hell? this is not the beatles.. i had a lot to learn (still do when it comes to them)- i was in my late 20s when i realised that they had used about 3 different albums for the actual film

knowing that it is actors doing the voices and not the beatles themselves detracts a little, but the last time i watched it i was amazed at how much of the wordplay and references whizzed over my head. my appreciation of this film grows the more i watch it.

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311. "John was HI-LARIOUS in "hard days night""
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"I now declare this bridge...OPEN" LOL

They were the musical Marx Bros, for sure.


>As a new fan, if you have some, most, or all of their music,
>perhaps you'd like to explore what they did on the big screen.
> Here are a few brief descriptions of each film, and how you
>can obtain them:
>
>
>* A HARD DAY'S NIGHT (1964)
>The first film, with one of the most memorable introductions
>to any music-related film: the footage of fans running after
>The Beatles. Shot in black & white, it was a chance to
>experience the Beatles in a very big way. British fans had
>loved the group for a year, so the film was something hoped
>for. For American fans, Beatlemania was only a few months old
>and now they wre able to consume something as big as this.
>Consider the film a hilarious day in the life of the fab four,
>with lip-synched performances along the way. The movie has
>been released a number of times on VHS, and had come out on
>DVD in the late 1990's. A new 2DVD version was released last
>year to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the film, and is
>widely available.
>
>
>
>* HELP! (1965)
>The Beatles had more money to play with, so they were able to
>do the film in color. Not only that, but they were able to do
>a bit of traveling as well. The movie involves a bit of
>espionage, as Ringo becomes the target due to the fact that he
>is wearing a ring everyone wants. The acting and storyline is
>a bit more loose than A HARD DAY'S NIGHT, but if you are
>someone who appreciates films of a slightly abstract nature,
>this is for you. Like AHDN, HELP! was also released on DVD in
>the late 1990's, but has been out of print for the last few
>years. 2005 is the 40th anniversary for the film, although no
>news has been announced for a new DVD.
>
>
>
>* MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR (1967)
>This was filmed specifically to be shown on British
>television, but poor reviews made the film go into hiding. At
>least until the mid-1970's, when the film was shown at
>midnight showings throughout the U.S. The movie had been
>available on VHS since the early 1980's, albeit in piss-poor
>quality (trust me, I bought one.) In the late 1980's, Apple
>approved of a version of the film for laser disc and VHS. A
>DVD version was released in the late 1990's, but has been out
>of print for years in most countries.
>
>As for the storyline? The Beatles grab a bus and attempt to
>take a ride on the Magical Mystery Tour. Where do they end
>up? No one is sure, perhaps not the Beatles themselves. The
>imagery is as twisted as it is colorful. If anything, you get
>to see Ringo drunk, John shoveling spaghetti, George with a
>very big jacket, and Paul doing his military duty. Highlights
>include "I Am The Walrus" and the car race.
>
>
>
>* YELLOW SUBMARINE (1968)
>The Beatles in cartoon form. The Beatles find themselves in
>Pepperland, trying to save the world from Blue Meanies and
>Apple Bonkers. There is no need for hate, and they plead to
>people that all they need is LOVE. With special appearance
>from Jeremy Hilary Boob, Phd.
>
>VHS copies have been around since the early 1990's on MGM/UA
>home video. The DVD version comes from the original negative,
>and features different versions of the soundtrack audio,
>including brand new updated mixes for all of the songs used in
>the film (as well as original mono). Loads of extras, easily
>available.
>
>
>
>* LET IT BE (1970)
>If you want to watch a band fall apart before your eyes, this
>is the film to see. In the past, the group had always
>displayed a happy, carefree image, although the music was
>often a better view of their reality. Unlike the other four
>films, this is a documentary of the group practicing songs for
>what they had hoped would be a small club tour. Old and new
>songs are recorded and practiced, but the tension in the air
>is very thick. The fact that cameras were around the group
>all the time made it hard for them to be as intimate as they
>would be in a recording studio, but they deal with it, despite
>the arguments that do go on. Inbetween, a lot of great music
>is put on tape. Most of the movie is filmed in Twickenham
>Film Studios, before they decide to head to the top of the
>Apple Records building and perform on the rooftop.
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>in the early 1980's, although so far that has been its only
>legitimate release. Bootleg versions do exist on VCD and
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325. ""tell me, how did you find America?""
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"Turn left at Greenland"

John does great deadpan humour.


Francis.

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328. "remember the part"
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when the beatles were walking to the stage, and these vegas type dancers were onstage doing their thing to jazz music, and John starting mocking them by hopping around everywhere LMAO John was a FOOL


>"Turn left at Greenland"
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>"But if I can be allowed a mediocre generalisation, don't
>pointless things have a place, too, in this far-from-perfect
>world? Remove everything pointless from an imperfect life and
>it'd lose even its imperfection."
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342. "even better, when they're walking OFF stage"
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and John stops to chat up one of the feather girls.

Manager: Hey! What're you doing?
John: She wants to show me her stamp collection.

His delivery kills me every time...


Francis.

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364. "their manager was SO funny"
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"Stop being TALLER THAN ME!"

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369. "I'm right bout to rewatch this movie"
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Good stuff.

George making all of the faces while they are taking the pictures really fast? Classic.

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376. "I gotta get this on DVD"
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I taped it off cable about ten years ago, and I still watch it a lot, but their Liverpudlin accents were SO THICK sometimes its hard to understand them, so I need the DVD cuz its got subtitles LOL

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377. "after reading through this thread"
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I pulled it out yesterday morning. Its incredible how well it stands up for a movie that was essentially intended to make a quick buck off a supposed pop fad 40 years ago. Somehow they came out with a classic.

And the whole press scene is brilliant ("What do you call that haircut?" "Arthur." "What do you call that coller?" "Er...a coller").


Francis.

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378. ""Are you a mod or a rocker?""
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"Eh, I'm a mocker"


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379. ""do you have any hobbies?""
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*John takes reporters notebook, writes something in it, and hands it back to her*

Reporter: Oh....


Francis.

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382. "HAHAHAHAHHA"
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I love that part.

And that little exchange he has with the lady in the hallway right before they go upstairs.

"what have you heard?"
"it's all over the papers"

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398. "those two vignettes after Can't Buy Me Love"
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are excellent...both John and the lady in the hallway ("You look just like him!" "Really? You're the first person to tell me that, ever.") and George stumbling into the fashion designers ("I don't care" "Well that pose is out too, sonny-jim! The new thing is to care passionately, and be right-wing").


Francis.

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401. "I LOVE how George subtly told those fashion snobs off"
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that was great.

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394. "but did you peep when he sniffed the Coke bottle?"
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now that's some subtle humor for ya behind

and kind of ironic, in retrospect

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399. "oh shit!"
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I can't believe I never picked up on that! I always wondered what the hell he was doing with that bottle.

And yes, the irony is horrible...


Francis.

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431. "ok forgive me, I'm slow but I didn't get it"
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what did that mean?

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432. "sniffing a Coca-Cola = sniffing coke (sly reference to cocaine) n/m"
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436. "ooooh ok LOL n/m"
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>rock huge diamonds and oversized pink clothing but "soft" if
>you eat a girl out." - discjockingmost
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403. ""I Wanna Hold Your Hand", the Bob Zemekis comedy"
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AWESOME!!!! I.LOVE.THIS.MOVIE. If U dont have it, get it. I dont know if its on DVD yet.

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291. "Speaking of books, anyone notice the McCartney book written..."
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by Barry Miles "Many Years From Now" was edited with fewer pages? I reember buying this when it was alot thicker, and then seeing a thinner version in bookstores a few years later. Anyone know the deal with that?

You could sense Paul trying his best to patch things up in a way with John as he was giving his account of things. Good read.

  

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303. "confession time..."
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In a moment of honesty, I'd like to confess that despite my intense love of pop music, I only own two Beatles albums. And they were gifts. And they're not even the "pivotal" stuff... (well, Rubber Soul is but "Meet The Beatles" is not).

However, I don't feel *that* bad, as I know at least one other reputable okp by name who is in the same boat... but I don't snitch.

Maybe I'll remedy this today and go on a beatles shopping spree...


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308. "i find this pretentious"
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my rough estimate says 85% of the lesson doesnt give 2 shits about the beatles and only knows their biggest songs (I wanna hold your hand, she loves you yeah yeah yeah, yesterday, etc)

  

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313. "Now the 85 who don't have a clue have the option to learn n/m"
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350. "understood"
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but it's like this post only exists (on a hip-hop/soul/funk/jazz based message board) because the media hypes them up so much.

we may as well have a kenny rogers or elvis month

  

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352. "no."
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360. "of course YOU do."
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310. "I also recommend "The Beatles First US Visit" on DVD"
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I have it, and I watch it all the time, basically the camera followed them around everywhere from the time they stepped off the plane in New York until they went back home. VERY historical stuff.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00018D2X8/qid=1112549379/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/103-8637068-6599017?v=glance&s=dvd

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315. "***Fixing a hole: The Beatles BOOTLEGS***"
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You have their standard albums, maybe even some of their singles. You have some of their movies. Yet you keep hearing about all of these unreleased songs, alternate takes, and tracks. Where do you go? To the underground.

The Beatles are one of the most bootlegged artists in rock'n'roll history, up there with the Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, and Bruce Springsteen.

But perhaps I should begin by also stating what is a "bootleg", since the modern definition in music is a bit different from what it used to be. A "bootleg" is a record (or CD) that was not officially released by the group or record company, featuring music that was not meant for release. A bootleg was usually a live recording, sometimes sounding very good, but a lot of times not so good, thus the origin of the term "bootleg quality". There was a time when fans could bring in their cassette decks or reel-to-reel tape machines and record a concert, and nothing was thought of it. The 1970's changed that, bringing new regulations that exist today, which now includes cameras. Sometimes, the sound engineer of a particular show would bring his own recording equipment and simply press record. Now he had a recording most people didn't have. In time, these live tape collectors would eventually gain what was once considered the "holy grail": studio outtakes. These were tapes that were generally kept "in the vaults", away from the public and not meant for anyone to hear but the artist, producer, engineer, and their inner circle.

One of the first major Beatles bootleg projects was a series of albums known as SWEET APPLE TRACKS. These consisted of recordings done during the filming of what was to become LET IT BE. The recordings were not sourced from The Beatles' own masters, but from the tape reels recorded by the film crew. Filming was done as long as the group were in the studio, and hours and hours and hours of songs and chatter were recorded. Since these recordings were not in their hands, it was easier to gain access to and release. There had been a small handful of llve Beatles recordings on vinyl, but good luck in listening to any of it. SWEET APPLE TRACKS was the first time studio-quality recordings of unreleased Beatles songs were heard, and that paved the way for not only Beatles bootlegs, but anyone.

Who made these bootleggers? Young entrepreneurs with some collage money, and knowledge of knowing how to press them at a record manufacturing plant "after hours". For the most part, a bootleg album was pressed at the same places that were making records you could find at Woolworth. Slipping the workers a bit of cash to help them out made it possible, and all one had to do was find a copying store to make some quick covers, slap it on a generic white record cover, and an industry was born. In the early days of "Rolling Stone", one could also find ads for these illegally made albums. As the magazine started to gain attention, so did awareness of these records. With The Beatles long gone, and fans waiting for anything, SWEET APPLE TRACKS became a phenomenon, and fans had to have more. Labels such as Trademark Of Quality, Ze Anonym Plattenspieeler (ZAP), The Amazing Kornyphone Label, and Wizardo became as familar as Capitol, Parlophone, Apple, and Odeon.

By the late 1970's, even as bootleggers were being arrested, the bootleggers were one step ahead of the game, and were already making full color covers. Many times, the bootlegs were far better than anything Capitol or Parlophone were releasing. The output of material bootleggers were coming up with lead to the official release of RARITIES, although it consisted of alternate mixes of songs that were publicly available, but hard to find for the non-collector.

The FBI pretty much slowed down most bootleg production in the U.S., but it didn't stop the records from coming in from Canada, Europe, or Japan. As the compact disc became the format of choice in the 1980's, vinyl bootlegs for mainstream artists would slow down immensely, but not to a halt. In the mid-80's, when compact discs were being promoted as the last format you'll ever need to buy (and looking back, they may have been right), it was considered a format that no one could tinker with. There were only a small handful of CD manufacturing plants in the U.S. and Europe, and the technology was something they felt the public could not have access to. The industry had the CD on lockdown.

That is, until the first bootleg CD's were made. The artists who were honored with the first illegal CD's? The Beatles and Bob Dylan.

In the early 1980's, fans were now gaining access to alternate takes and unreleased material. Abbey Road had offered public Beatles tours so fans could see where the group recorded most of their material, and part of the presentation would include an audio portion with unreleased songs. Bootleggers would sneak in their cassette decks and press record. The bootleggers then started taking risks, and somehow they gained access to the actual tapes. They were released on vinyl. In time, a bootlegger gained access to a CD pressing plant, and released the first two Beatles bootleg CD's, ULTRA RARE TRAX VOL. 1 & 2. It shocked not only other bootleggers and fans, but Parlophone, Capitol, Apple, and The Beatles, because the sound quality was amazing. Was it an inside job? If not, how did they gain access to this material?

What is the appeal of hearing a recording of the group flubbing up in the studio, or forgetting their lyrics? It's a change for fans to hear the development of a song. As for the unreleased stuff, it gives bootleggers a chance to give a middle finger to the industry and say "we can do it better than you". These bootleg CD's came out on the Swingin' Pig label, and it was never the same again. They had been available in legitimate stores before they were forced to take them off of shelves. That didn't stop mom & pop stores from selling them behind the counter, just as they did in the days of vinyl bootlegs, or to go to a head shop and say "I want two Zig Zags and, ohyeah, a copy of that LISTEN TO THIS, EDDIE bootleg by Led Zeppelin."

In Italy, there were loopholes in the copyright laws which made it possible for these recordings to be sold in legit stores. Most of the bootleg CD's started coming out of Italy, and every other group that had a presence in bootleg vinyl form were now on compact disc. When they changed the laws in Italy, bootlegging moved over to Asia. In truth, no one except insiders knew where the CD's were being made, but they were being made, and being sold, and reaching the United States. In time, there were bootleg CD box sets, with deluxe booklets, unseen photographs, and music which seemed to come from nowhere.

Over time, artists like Frank Zappa would take his bootlegged legacy and release the bootlegs as his, flaws included.
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So you're asking yourself "where can I buy these bootlegs?" If you're a music nut, you'll find a way to obtain them. Diehards will collect anything and everything, although expect to pay $25+ for a single bootleg CD. One thing to consider is that if you take care of them, they occasionally have good reselling value.

One of the first bootleg "bibles" was Hot Wacks. They released a quarterly magazine and a yearly book, featuring a very in-depth discography of most of the bootlegs that were available, which included ratings on graphics, sound quality, and source of the recording (audience, soundboard, or studio outtakes). The Hot Wacks people have since released a number of books on groups who have been heavily bootlegged, and now have a healthy web presence. You can find them at http://www.hotwacks.com .

If you're someone who wants the music, but don't want to give money to an unknown bootlegger, then there's CD trading. There are many places and pages to find someone who is willing to trade, but if you simply want to see the wealth of bootleg CD's that are available, or want to know how to start, here are two websites of interest:

http://www.jpgr.co.uk/i_vinyl.html
http://www.bootlegzone.com/

The first link is from a collector who has put up his list of all the bootlegs he has.

The second link is a great side featuring people who have these CD's for trading purposes. Bootlegzone also has a section called THE ULTIMATE BEATLEG GUIDE:
http://www.bootlegzone.com/beatleg/ubl-base.php

It is very in-depth and at times overwhelming, especially for a newbie. Popular titles are often repackaged by bootleggers under another title, and the sound quality can differ from CD to CD. The website offers reviews of each title, so you can pick and choose.

If you do trade with someone, DO NOT offer cash. That's a big no no. NEVER NEVER NEVER say "I don't have music, but I'm willing to offer a few dollars for your troubles." There are collectors out there who will actually charge for you to hear these, but if there's a free way to do the same (or at least the cost of blank CD's plus postage {B+P}, do it.

Speaking of free, you also have file transfers. Like anything, you can find unreleased Beatles material at the normal spots. Keep in mind that not everyone will encode an MP3 the same, so if sound quality is an issue, be forewarned. If you know how to use BitTorrent, then you probably know of various search methods to find what you want. You will most likely find many Beatles bootlegs there.
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If you wish to read up on Beatles bootlegs, I would recommend:

BEATLES NOT FOR SALE
and
BLACK MARKET BEATLES



Officially, The Beatles released only 11 proper albums in seven years, not counting singles, compilations, or U.S. and foreign variations. Bootleggers have released far more, and yet there are still Beatles songs yet unheard.






















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319. "Ultra Rare Tracks Vol. 2"
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I think this is what you were talking about.

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322. "I bought URT 1, 2, and 5 when they were released, and I also have..."
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...one of the BACKTRACKS CD's (Volume 2). I had about 12 other but sold them, before there were CD burners. Fortunately I am able to get them again through trades if needed.


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320. "the record companies should be considered bootleggers too"
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there are so many damn compilations which just seem to repackage the hits with a different name

hendrix is even worse than the beatles with this

and tupac i guess

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321. "with The Beatles, many of the comps are of their own doing"
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After the death of Hendrix, everyone is to blame. But The Who win the award for releasing the same set of greatest hits 25+ different times.

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316. "the beatles invented hip-hop music."
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put that in your pipe and smoke it.


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a: what do you want to be when you grow up?
b: happy.

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318. "hip hop songs with beatles samples"
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touching beatles songs is usually sacreligous, but some samples sound halfway decent. what other songs include beatles samples besides these:

the roots- thought @ work (original version, sampled hey bulldog)
beastie boys- sounds of science (the end)
kweli- lonely people (elanor rigby)

and didn't rjd2 sample some on deadringer too? elanor rigby? haven't listened to the disc in a while

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323. "Sounds Of Science is more then "The End""
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You also have "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" and its reprise which makes up the beat. "Johnny Ryall" samples Paul McCartney's "Momma Miss America".

In the early 1990's, there was a soul singer who released a single with the "Sgt. Pepper's (Reprise)" beat, I see his face but don't remember his name. Beats International sampled the last note in "A Day In The Life", along with Puff Tube and John Oswald's plunderphonics project.

3rd Bass sampled "I Am The Walrus" in "3 Strikes 5000".


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345. "shit i didn't even notice that in johnny ryall"
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tricky. i love momma miss america.

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324. "Corn of the Apple (1969)"
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hXXp://s50.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2TKVA8MME0MUZ35P3O5B5Y478S

  

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326. "***got to get them into your life: Where To Begin (for newbies)***"
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Getting into The Beatles is as simple as finding one song to like, and hopefully wanting to hear more. You're familiar with some of their songs, know of their famous albums, but even if you stay away from the bootlegs, the official releases may be a bit confusing.

If you're a vinyl junkie, you may think "oh, it'll be easy to pick up a good compilation" but it depends what is good to you, AND also what you're looking for. CD's are a bit easier, as many of the compilations of the 70's have not been officially released in the digital format.

Let's get this out of the way. For starters, a primer on where to start, you can pick up one of the following:

1962-1966
1967-1970
1

1962-1966 covers the early period, while 1967-1970 covers the later years. Both albums were released in 1973 and are readily available in all formats. The two albums concentrate on the hits, a few B-sides, and album tracks.

1 is a recent compilation that looks solely at all of their #1 singles. The Beatles treated their singles and albums differently, wanting to give fans the hits with singles, and wanting to explore with their albums. In recent years, this has become the compilation of choice, but both are perfect places to begin.
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Now, if you want to look for Beatles compilations on vinyl, you have your option of the above three, plus:

ROCK & ROLL MUSIC (U.S. comp, either as the original 2LP set, or two separate LP's)
LOVE SONGS (double LP of their more "romantic" material)
RARITIES (edits and mixes of songs that are different to the common versions)
REEL MUSIC (a collection of songs from their five films)
20 GREATEST HITS (in the U.S., The Beatles went #1 20 different times. Other countries around the world released different variations of the album with the same cover. Australia had 22 GREAT HITS).

Let's not forget the 3 volume ANTHOLOGY series, six CD's of various outtakes, alternate takes, mixes, and whatnot, 6 CD's worth of the familiar... but not quite.







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351. "Thanks"
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______________________________

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384. "EWF version?"
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some insights for an assignment i'm doing.
i need to compare EWF version with the beatles. anything that i'm missing.

What are the alterations made in the category of rhythm, accents, vocal delivery, and groove that transform this rock song into funk?

EWF uses horns, and vocal accents, very melodic with emphasis to the groove.

  

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406. "The original had a horn section as well"
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I can sit down and analyze both but, I think Earth Wind & Fire simply wanted to add their spin to it. The Beatles were never a funk or soul band, but there's a groove in the EWF version that makes it work.


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386. "don't forget "Hey Jude""
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a collection of singles and b-sides released in the US in 1970. i see it on vinyl in used stores but i don't know if it was ever on CD or cassette. if you buy both of the Past Masters sets then 'Hey Jude' isn't necessary.

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405. "there are cassette copies"
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I totally forgot about that one. It has never been officially released on CD, but there are bootleg versions of that available.


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408. "I've got it"
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Though I was never sure if it was titled Hey Jude or "The Beatles Again"

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409. "both titles apply"
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In fact, there are different pressings of the record with either or.


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411. "It was called The Beatles Again in Europe I think"
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And Hey Jude in America I think.

  

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413. "Mine says "Hey Jude" on the side of the cover"
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And "The Beatles Again" on the actual record, hence my confusion.

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414. "Some links of interest"
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http://www.rarebeatles.com/photopg4/judecvr.htm (with early versions of the cover)
http://www.aboutthebeatles.com/discography_lp_heyjude.html (the album wasn't released in the UK until 1979)



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415. "Ooooh"
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According to that second link I've got an original pressing. Excellent.

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327. "***A Day In The Life: their original idea for "the last note"*** (link)"
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hxxp://s33.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2PO5DL9VJ0JSA2NLCIS1JWJKC6


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337. "***even better than THE BEATLES RECORDING SESSIONS (book)?***"
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I just got this e-mail a few minutes ago, a quote taken from the new issue of the Beatles fan magazine, "Beatology":

==BEGIN SWIPE==
CATCHING UP WITH MARK LEWISOHN

by Brad Howard
Publisher/Editor
The World Beatles Forum
© 2005 Brad Howard

(as published simultaneously in Beatlology and The World Beatles Forum)



BH: Here is a question from Markus in UK. Although you have listened to all of the Beatles' original session tapes, John C. Winn, the author of two books, Way Beyond Compare: The Beatles' Recorded Legacy, 1957-1965 and That Magic Feeling: The Beatles' Recorded Legacy, 1966-1970, has questioned some of your findings concerning takes and variations of some of The Beatles recordings. Can you comment on these criticisms?

ML: Without getting into specifics here I'd like to say that it's been well established for many years that there are errors in the Recording Sessions book. None of them intentional of course but simply errors of fact or interpretation. I'm not surprised: it had a very rigid design already in place before they found a writer and I wanted much more time to do the job properly than I was given. It was done in a terrible rush to meet an unnecessary deadline, and corners were cut. I'm proud of it of course, but it could have been done so much better and more precisely. What's so pleasing is that the book helped pave the way for the numerous more studied, very well-informed analyses of Beatles recordings that have followed in the last 15 years, such as those Markus mentions, John C Winn's books, both of which I think are superb. There are several Beatles reference authors who deserve full respect.
===END SWIPE===

I decided to check it out, and here is a link to John C. Winn's books:
http://members.aol.com/multiplusbooks/

If you scroll to the bottom of the page, there is also a book called "Eight Arms To Hold You", which covers their solo work. Got to add this to the heaping pile of books I want to read.




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421. "RE: ***even better than THE BEATLES RECORDING SESSIONS (book)?***"
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this this recording sessions book "revolution in the head"... which is out of print now i think, but was used in my undergrad "music of the beatles class" (yes, best class offering ever). i'd be dissapointed if that text had errors, it was a facinating read

  

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338. "***"Sgt. Pepper"? co-written with... Mal Evans? (article swipe)***"
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1533142,00.html

==BEGIN SWIPE==
March 20, 2005

McCartney wrote Sgt Pepper ‘with a little help from his roadie friend’

A ROAD manager for the Beatles who was shot dead by police in Los Angeles left behind diaries in which he claimed to have co-written some of the group’s songs, writes Maurice Chittenden.

Mal Evans, who died 29 years ago after allegedly brandishing a rifle during a domestic row, said he helped Sir Paul McCartney write the title track to Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band.

Evans also claimed he helped to compose Fixing a Hole — or Where the Rain Comes In, as he called it — as McCartney sat at a piano in the Beatle’s home. He hoped to get royalties but instead had to make do with £38-a-week pay.

Extracts from the diaries, which span the life of the group’s fame, are published for the first time today in The Sunday Times Magazine.

Evans was a phone engineer in Liverpool in the early 1960s when he first saw the Beatles perform at the Cavern Club. His 6ft 3in frame and gentle manner helped him secure a part-time job as a bouncer and when he became friends with the group their manager, Brian Epstein, offered him a job. He went on to play the Hammond organ on You Won’t See Me on the Rubber Soul album in 1965, bass harmonium on Being for the Benefit of Mr Kite! on the Sgt Pepper album and a piano on A Day In the Life on the same album.

A diary entry in February 1967 says: “Sergeant Pepper sounds good. Paul tells me that I will get royalties on the song — great news, now perhaps a new home.”

Neither McCartney nor the band’s Apple label would comment. However, Keith Badman, author of The Beatles Off the Record, said he had obtained a tape of Evans talking months before his death in which he repeated the claims. “Mal said he was asked if he minded if they did not put his name on the song because Lennon-McCartney was a really hot item,” said Badman.
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349. "This just reminded me of something"
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Did anything ever become of those alleged lost tapes that were found in Australia or something like that? They were found either last year or the year before, but I remember being extremely excited, but they haven't surfaced yet.

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354. "they were fake (article swipe)"
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==BEGINS SWIPE==
Beatles Trove Found to Be a Fraud
(8/18/04)

It sounded too good to be true. Turns out it probably was. A long-sought trove of rare Beatles material that reportedly was found last month by a lucky British tourist remains lost, a leading Beatles expert says.

Last month, The Times newspaper reported that a suitcase bought by Fraser Claughton, 41, at an Australian flea market for about $35 was packed with Beatles memorabilia, including photos, concert programs and unreleased recordings.

But Pete Nash, a memorabilia expert from the British Beatles Fan Club who examined the contents of the suitcase on behalf of a British television channel, said he saw photocopied ticket stubs, laser-scanned pictures from the 1990s - and no rare reel-to-reel recordings.

"It's farcical, really," Nash told The Associated Press.

The Times reported that among the contents of the suitcase was a reel-to-reel tape that included John Lennon and Paul McCartney experimenting with alternative versions of previously unrecorded tracks.

The newspaper quoted an expert with Christie's auction house as saying the find "sounds very exciting indeed," but a spokeswoman stressed to the AP that the auction house had not been contacted about evaluating the find and none of its experts had seen it.

The Times had said some experts believed the collection was the lost "Mal Evans archive," originally belonging to the Beatles' roadie and sound recordist.

Evans was killed by police in Los Angeles in 1976 after brandishing a fake gun. His belongings were lost during the police investigation and have never been recovered.

Nash said many of the items in the suitcase appeared to be copies, including laser-scanned photos dating from the mid-1990s and ticket stubs for The Beatles' appearance on "The Ed Sullivan Show" and the premiere of "A Hard Day's Night" that were reproductions of images from "Lennon Legend," a book published last year.

"There was nothing to tie it to Mal Evans whatsoever," Nash said.

He said he asked to see the reel-to-reel tapes but was told "they were locked away in a bank vault."

"They said the tapes were still housed in their metal canisters," Nash said. "Audio tape is magnetic. One thing you do not do is store it in metal canisters."

Nash said he was played some tracks on CD that were "very common (bootleg) tracks that most Beatles collectors would own."

Geoff Baker, spokesman for The Beatles' label, Apple Corps, also said he believed the find was a fake.

(The Associated Press)
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380. "only beatles lps i got are sgt peppers and ones"
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but thanks to this post i now have a FEW to check out

ill be back after ive listened

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388. "Keep us updated don"
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This has been "new old music" month for you, hasnt it, haha.

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416. "i played hey jude for 30 min straight yesterday man"
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im hooked

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422. "have you bought anything yet?"
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Cause I have no problem inboxing you stuff, you know how I do.

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410. "Lots of other great music to explore"
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I got into their music when I was 9 years old. I had heard of them on the radio through my parents, always liked their songs but wasn't serious about wanting to know more until then. The first album I got was 1962-1966. My dad went to a friend's house (weed transaction) and I was always the one who tagged along, and spent my time looking in people's record collections while they smoked in the other room. I asked if I could borrow it, and he allowed me too. I never returned it. That was 25 years ago.


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417. "i stumbled across the white lp used in like 98"
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that shit was 10 and i didnt buy it
i was ignorant to the beatles
i think i bought a smashing pumpkins lp instead

i still feel dumb

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412. "***The story of The Beatles on Vee-Jay Records (URL link)***"
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http://www.dermon.com/Beatles/Veejay.htm


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420. "so...when is Let It Be coming out on DVD?"
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I've been fiending to see that movie for a long time.

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...end of this year. However, I'm getting it through other means. I'll inbox you.

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amazing post, btw

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I might be interested.

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427. "***LINK**Booker T & The MGs - MacLemore Avenue**LINK***"
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Finally.
This is Booker T & The MGs take on Abbey Road.
Enjoy.
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434. "oooo this should be good"
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thanks

peace
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468. "I finally listened to this last night"
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And their version of Something is amazing.

  

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501. "RE-UP***LINK**Booker T & The MGs - MacLemore Avenue**LINK***"
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hxxp://s45.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=32I58BX4L9KNM17ZYIP2118RS4

courtesy of DubSpt

  

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428. "The Beatles 3rd LP (A Hard Day's Night)"
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by British reckoning.

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429. "The Beatles 4th LP (Beatles For Sale)"
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by British reckoning.

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433. "***DEEP DIGGING: Collectiing Beatles Records Part 1-Acetates***"
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The Beatles are one of the more collectible artists in music history. While the origin of record collecting as a hobby is still up for debate, it's probably safe to say that it probably started as soon as records were manufactured for distribution at stores.

The modern era of record collecting began when Columbia (now Sony) pressed up the first "long playing" record, from 78rpm to 33 1/3 rpm. LP's for short, they were originally 10 inches in size, not unlike the standard size for 78's. To include more music, the LP grew to 12 inches, and it's been the standard ever since. Columbia Records was also the first label to create "cover art". Before, records were stored in an actual "album", records enclosed in envelopes in a hardcover case, not unlike photo albums (thus the name "album", as in "a collection of records").

The rise of the LP came after World War II, which coincided with the move from big band to bebop, as well as the rise if blues and country, the mixture of which would eventually lead to rock & roll. (The 45, created by RCA, came later).
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Anyway, nuff of the useless facts. There are so many different ways to go for Beatles collectors, and for the amateur or novice, it may seem overwhelming. So let's start at this site I just discovered a few minutes ago:

http://beatlesource.com

This is a page featuring articles and lots of graphics to Beatles and Beatles-related acetates. Acetates are records that are exclusively made for the group, the producer, and select people. Generally, a handful of records are made, sometimes under 10, perhaps only 5 or less.

Acetates, also known as dub plates, exist for a few reasons. When The Beatles finished a recording session, they often requested acetates be made so they could take it home and listen to. These would be "rough mixes". The next day, they would go into the studio and offer suggestions to George Martin or an engineer, perhaps to bring up the bass, lower the vocal, or whatever. Acetates could also be made for "finished mixes". According to "The Beatles Recording Sessions", the group would go through many "finished mixes" before settling on a "final mix". These "rough" and "finished" mixes were never meant to be heard by anyone else, and often times the only place these mixes can be found are on the acetates. If an album mix was "finished", an acetate could be made as well.

A "test pressing" is generally a record consisting of a "final mix", what the artist or producer hears before it is approved. The test pressing is done so it can be determined if there are any errors. While acetates are generally metal-based, "test pressings" are equal to the quality of what will be the final record. In The Beatles' case, sometimes a test pressing is ordered, but a decision may be made to cancel the project. Sometimes a "test pressing" will be made, and someone will say "I don't like this mix, let's go back". Then that test pressing with the original mix becomes something of interest. Test pressings are more widely available, as they are often sent to the media or to publishers, or record company people. Yet since most people tossed their records around like Frisbees, the better the condition of the record today, the more valuable it would be.







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435. "The Beatles - Live At Shea Stadium (1965)"
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My favorite of the live ones. Listen to when John tries to remember which of the American albums the song they're doing is off of.

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437. "i can't play these, these are rar files"
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do you have mp3s of this?

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438. "look for 7-Zip file manager"
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The MP3's are in there, you just have to undo the rar file.


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444. "ringo starr"
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he was the best drummer in liverpool when he joined the beatles and after reading john's last entry i know now that he was v sucessful after the beatles split up.. people say he was the heart of the beatles and the mediator.. After seeing the anthology (i thought he was the funniest and most honest on there- well george was pretty candid) i looked online and saw lots of quotes about him not being technical at all but having really good feel.. i've also read that he was quite influential in rock drumming.. but i've also heard countless ringo jokes. What do y'all think about him?

the person who made this site obviously has a thing for him: http://web2.airmail.net/gshultz/drumpage.html

@LDNHipHopmgp(we meetup, go to hip hop events)

  

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445. "Paul McCartney, 1942-1966"
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Of the 400+ posts so far, I'm surprised that there has yet to be any mention of the tragic death of Paul McCartney midway through the Beatles career. His fatal car crash was, of course, hushed up so that the Beatles could continue as a group, with a lookalike imposter installed for publicity purposes. But the remaining three Beatles, being the good folk that they are, took it upon themselves to hide clues all over subsequent albums so that true fans could discover the truth.

Seriously, this is probably my favourite music conspiracy theory ever (sort of the reverse of the 'Pac is alive!' cultists). Amoung the best clues (theres hundreds of them) conclusively proving Paul's death, are:

1. In 1966 The Beatles held a competition to find a 'Paul McCartney lookalike'. Innocent publicity stunt? Or crafty mechanism for replacing their dead bandmate? The winner, one William Campbell, has supposedly been impersonating Paul ever since.

2. The infamous 'Butcher Cover' for the Yesterday and Today album. Those aren't random bits of meat draped around the band - its Paul's remains! (Because of course, when a close friend dies, the first thing you want to do is take photographs of yourself playing with his insides). Also, there is a decapitated dolls head resting in 'Paul's lap - coincidence? Not to mention that Paul's actual teeth, knocked out in the accident, are resting on 'Paul's arm!

3. Strawberry Fields Forever - John clearly says "I buried Paul" on the second fadeout. Revisionist claims that he was in fact saying "Cranberry Sauce" are clearly attempts to stop the coverup from being blown wide open.

4. The Sgt Peppers cover contains millions of clues - 'Paul' is the only one holding a black instrument, has a hand over his head (which is some sort of symbol of death), and has his back turned to the camera on the back cover. If you stare really hard at the yellow flowers at the bottom of the cover, they spell out 'PAUL?' (is it a grave?). And, my absolute favourite clue (and pretty conclusive proof of the truth of the conspiracy) - if you place a mirror across the middle of the words 'Lonely Hearts' on the drum at the centre of the cover, it turns into the message '1ONE1X HE(arrow)DIE'. The first part of the message shows that there are three Beatles still alive (the '1's), but one is no more (hes an 'X'). In the second part, the arrow between the words 'HE DIE' is pointing straight up at 'Paul'.

5. Revolution 9 - spin the part of the song that goes 'number nine, number nine' backwards and you hear "turn me on, dead man". Quite why the Beatles' want Paul to turn them on is unclear, but whatever.

6. The Abbey Road cover: notice the numberplate on the white car - 'LMW 28IF'. The second part refers to the fact that Paul would be 28 if he was still alive, while the first bit possibly stands for 'Linda McCartney Weeps'. The Beatle's are dressed to represent Paul's funeral - 'Paul' is a barefoot corpse, John is God (huh?), Ringo is an undertaker, and George is a gravedigger.


Francis.

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447. "lol, i've always liked this one"
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>6. The Abbey Road cover: notice the numberplate on the white
>car - 'LMW 28IF'. The second part refers to the fact that
>Paul would be 28 if he was still alive, while the first bit
>possibly stands for 'Linda McCartney Weeps'. The Beatle's are
>dressed to represent Paul's funeral - 'Paul' is a barefoot
>corpse, John is God (huh?), Ringo is an undertaker, and George
>is a gravedigger.

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453. "I was still adding to my article that I'm writing, but you beat me to it"
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457. "shit, if it isn't too much trouble to finish it"
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please do post it. I'm sure it'll contain a hell of a lot more info than mine did.


Francis.

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458. "nah, you applied the basics"
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What is interesting is that, a friend of mine sent me a book a few months ago called "The Walrus Was Paul", and it mentioned a few alleged clues (I guess in a way they're all "alleged") that I wasn't aware of. I knew of the question mark (?) in flowers on SGT. PEPPER, but then someone actually folded the top half of the SGT. PEPPER bass drum, placed a mirror below it and it became something else. I thought "oh wait, now that's stupid".

It's interesting either way.

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460. "Again, thats my FAVOURITE clue"
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>but then someone actually
>folded the top half of the SGT. PEPPER bass drum, placed a
>mirror below it and it became something else. I thought "oh
>wait, now that's stupid".
>

Its insane that someone even thought to do that. But even more insane that they found a message when they did.


Francis.

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459. "Also"
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The skull on the back of the Abbey Road cover.

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463. "RE: Paul McCartney, 1942-1966"
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I find this conspiracy theory very amusing, though basically void of any shred of plausibility. One website that goes off the deep end trying to convince you of it is this one:
http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/index.html
Of particular interest is his "forensic evidence", where he tries to prove that the "fake Paul" has a different shaped head than the "original Paul" by superimposing photographs before and after. It would actually be quite funny except for the fact that he seems dead serious about it.

This legend also inspired one of my favorite moments in SNL history, between Paul McCartney and Chris Farley:

Chris Farley: O-kay.. remember.. you remember when you were with The Beatles, and you were supposed to be dead, and, uh, there was all these clues, that, like, uh, you played some song backwards, and it'd say, like, "Paul Is Dead", and, uh, everyone thought that you were dead? That was, um, a hoax, right?

Paul McCartney: Yeah. I wasn't really dead.

(I swiped this from here: http://snltranscripts.jt.org/92/92mfarley.phtml)

There also used to be a hilarious site called "The Walrus Was John" where this guy tried to convince people that it was John, not Paul, who was supposed to be dead according to the clues. Unfortunately, his URL is now defunct and I can't find his site anywhere...

peace,
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451. "RE: Beatles Drums"
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Benard “Pretty” Purdie has indeed always remained adament that he added drum sessions in the USA after the initial tracks were recorded in London, not just for the Beatles but many other artists. He is quite simply one of the most recorded drummer ever.

Ringo was never a fantasic drummer, but he was LOUD, which was much needed when the Beatles were playing to thousands of screaming fans on shitty PA systems.. he could hit dem skins hard!

for evidence of the Benard Purdie Beatles sessions and a very interesting conversation with Egon (Stones Throw) and David from the Red Bull Music Academy in Rome during October last year, check here:

http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/DAILY_DIARY.18.0.html?act_aced=112&act_dpid=65

the files play in realplayer...
peace.

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452. "I talked about this in my initial posts"
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It is safe to say that when the Tony Sheridan material was made available to Atlantic Records, they wanted to touch up on it. The early mix of "Ain't She Sweet" is very different from that which is on the Atco version, there are flares which aren't present on the original. Purdie has talked about doing more than what he has talked about, but there are extensive track notes for every session in books.

What isn't discussed, however, is what Americans labels did to tweak the songs. Capitol Records were known to tweak their singles to give it awful reverb, the best way I could compare it was that they had that Elvis reverb. Then Atco added Purdie's drums over Pete Best's drum tracks.

Let's keep that in mind again, Purdie played over Best's drums, not Ringo's. While Andy White did fill in on drums in a version of "Love Me Do", the only time Ringo was ever replaced was when Paul filled in, and Paul's style is very recognizable. Listen to him in "Birthday", "The Ballad Of John And Yoko" or "Why Don't We Do It In The Road", or even "Momma Miss America" on the McCARTNEY album.

I'm a huge fan of Purdie's as well, but I do find it amazing that with thousands of Beatles books and websites out there, no one (not even Purdie) has offered the original receipts of his session work to touch up the Sheridan-era tapes. Ringo has denied the allegations, and rightfully so since he wasn't even in the band at the time.

I also think it all takes away from Ringo Starr as a drummer. True, he wasn't Elvin Jones or Art Blakey, but if anything he was very consistent throughout the existence of The Beatles, as well as his solo work. Even Max Weinberg, longtime drummer for Bruce Springsteen, called Ringo one of the best drummers ever in rock'n'roll. Kind of like Charlie Watts of The Rolling Stones. The man was never flashy, always had a stone face, but the guy can play.



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454. "RE: I talked about this in my initial posts"
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Benard Purdie is quite a talker and is hardly shy to big himself up... in the Red Bull Academy interview he says:

“…what people don’t understand is that fixing records was a way of life in the 60’s… 98% of the self contained groups were not on their own albums… the Beatles music was just another job for me. ‘Cause half of the songs I played, I played on 21 tracks for The Beatles had no drums (when he got the tapes to work with!) they kicked him (Ringo) out in the beginning, the whole point is, whether you want to realise it or not… he’s (Ringo) is not on anything, the man made his money by live…”

“Ringo took someone else’s place in that band because it was all about control, that’s all it was, control. He looked the part that he (Brian Epstein) wanted; he was the one that he chose. But the making of those records, the fixing of those records, 98% of them, they were recorded early and then brought to the United States to be done and fixed. That’s why Mercury Records and Capitol Records, they both have Beatles albums. I did mine in the Capitol studio in New York City, I had no idea who the Beatles were or anything…I was doing a job.

”There are 4 drummers on the Beatles (recorded) music… Ringo is not one of them”

Then he goes on to say 60-70% of Steely Dan’s drum recordings were done by him also…

so… Purdie may well be bending the truth... quite a bold claim nevertheless.



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455. "See, right there he's full of shit"
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He can say all he wants about Brian Epstein because he's dead.

He still has yet to explain why he feels the need to benefit from this "secret" information, other than repeating the same things over and over. Brian Epstein may have had a say in how the group looked to the world, but it was George Martin who had a final say in what they sounded like, and he's very much alive.

The interview with Purdie was funny the first time I read it. I can't believe that there are people who still believe that he did anything more than those Sheridan-era tracks.

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456. "***PHIL SPECTOR and his relationship with The Beatles***"
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Phil Spector is known for creating the "Wall of Sound", or what he called his production techniques. A wall of echo and reverb made ladies swoon and guys want to produce just like him to create an aura that no one could quite duplicate. That Wall of Sound could be heard in everything from "He's A Rebel", "You've Lost That Loving Feeling", and "Be My Baby".

For Beatles fans, Phil Spector's involvement is a touchy situation. After the failure of coming up with anything worthy from 1969's GET BACK sessions, they left the tapes to sit. The group wanted to record one last hurrah, so they went in to do ABBEY ROAD. And that was that. Realizing they still had session tapes to work with, it was agreed that perhaps Phil Spector could play with the tapes and come up with something. Technically, he "remixed" everything, adding orchestras, editing a one minute song into a two minute mini-masterpiece, and turned GET BACK into LET IT BE. There were early versions of a GET BACK album, given to a few radio stations and media, but The Beatles didn't like it and asked for all copies to be returned. Any copies that did exist were quickly bootlegged, so GET BACK as an album was reviewed in "Rolling Stone" and for months people bought an unofficial version. They knew the music in its original form. For many fans, LET IT BE was ruined, and to this day it still causes much debate. The recent LET IT BE...NAKED is based on what a proper GET BACK album could've sounded like, without the added effects from Spector.
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That was not, however, the first time Spector had been in contact with the band. According to the book "He's A Rebel" by Mark Ribowsky, Spector had met them and the Rolling Stones when he and The Ronnettes had traveled to England. Back then, The Ronnettes were the hot group from the U.S., and all of the Rolling Stones wanted to try their hand at "bagging" a Ronnette. But the group did not like how the Rolling Stones smelled (although in Bill Wyman's STONE ALONE book, none of them had any trouble "bagging" anyone else between 1963-1966, including Bill Wyman, who had his share of groupies and superstars on a daily basis). However, The Beatles were nice. The Beatles wanted to meet The Ronnettes, so they did, but Phil Spector, already known for being his own unique personality, had to be there because he didnt't want Veronica "Ronnie" Bennett out of his sight. But they met, and the two groups had a good relationship. The Beatles looked at the Ronnettes as the stars, but Phil felt he was an essential part of their formula. While Ronnie was offlimits, the other two was not. George and Paul, the bachelors of the group, enjoyed spending time with Ronnie's sister, Estelle Bennette, with George being known to have done a bit more than just chat over tea.

When The Beatles were to come over to the United States for the first time, they were not sure what to expect, so they asked Phil Spector, who was in England, to come with them. According to Spector, Paul was the one who wanted to know what to expect from America. The plane was filled with 149 people (Spector's number) who were all part of the Beatles entourage.

Before the group left the plane, they were afraid that people in America were going to kill them, since the death of President John F. Kennedy was still fresh news. Spector assured them that everything was going to be okay. The plane landed, and in minutes the Beatles walked out into a new world. Spector, whom not many people were aware of (since producers were still unknown, unheard, and unseen), was right behind them.
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Spector did not have a musical relationship with The Beatles until 1970, but the GET BACK/LET IT BE album was not the last time they would collaborate.

John Lennon was the first to work with him, having Spector produce "Instant Karma! (We All Shine On)" on January 26, 1970, and having it released on Apple ten days later. John had hoped that his previous single, "Cold Turkey", was going to be a hit. Wanting something that would impress fans and not alienate them, he asked then manager Allen Klein for help. Klein suggested Spector. "Instant Karma!" became John's first legitimate hit.

George Harrison would be next, as Spector sat in with him for the ALL THINGS MUST PASS sessions from late May to late August, 1970.

Lennon went right after him again for Lennon's first proper album, JOHN LENNON/PLASTIC ONO BAND.

It would go back and forth between John and George projects (check out the the DVD for GIMME SOME TRUTH: THE MAKING OF JOHN LENNON'S IMAGINE and you'll be able to see part of the process Lennon and Yoko Ono had with Spector in producing the album. In fact, Ono made major contributions that are often overshadowed by her alleged "weirdness"). While Ringo didn't work with Spector musically, they were good friends and were often seen drinking together at social events. Plus, Ringo was always close to John and George, and he often found himself playing drums on some of their solo work (Ringo played at George's Bangla Desh benefit concerts, the tapes of which were mixed by Harrison and Spector).

Paul, on the other hand, wanted his own sound and wanted nothing to do with Spector on a musical level. Just as Paul disagreed about how Apple was being run and who was going to manage the group, Paul was very adament about who he wanted to work with. For the most part, Paul produced Paul, at least until late 1972. McCartney was asked to do a song for the new James Bond film, and Paul wanted to go all out. He knew the one man who could do the job: George Martin. However, McCartney was pretty much his own man throughout his solo career, although he and Martin would reunite eventually.


But back to Phil Spector. Because of his relationship with The Beatles, Spector was able to reissue his classic Christmas album on Apple. Not only that, but Ronnie Spector also released a 45 in 1971, "Try Some Buy Some"/"Tandoori Chicken", both co-produced by Spector and George Harrison ("Try Some Buy Some" was written by Harrison, "Tandoori Chicken" a Harrison/Spector composition).

By this point, Spector became Apple's A&R and was essentially running Apple Records when it was obvious the Beatles could not. While John and George were clearly demanding Spector to give them a boost in the hits department (the horn section in George's "What Is Life" is a nice tough), both of them were doing independent production and session work for Apple and non-Apple artists alike. At the same time, Spector wanted to leave and do his own work. Combined with the much discussed stories of the relationship between he and Ronnie Spector, it was the perfect time for them to depart. The last time Spector worked with any of them was on part of the project John worked on in 1973, which would eventually become his ROCK & ROLL album.








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461. "The Beatles vs. The Isleys"
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No offense but in terms of influence and catalog, I would argue that the Isleys are the greatest band of all time. Discuss.....

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465. "Perhaps another post, another time"
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This thread is about The Beatles. Because we can go on and talk about Beatles vs. The Rolling Stones, The Beach Boys, The Four Seasons, Don Ho, Sweet, The Hudson Brothers, Another Bad Creation, Spice Girls, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and it will lead to debates that will never end.

I'm a fan of the Isley Brothers as well, and there aren't many groups who can claim to have recorded and released new music for six straight decades.

I don't want to debate over who had the most influence. Good music is good music, be it "All You Need Is Love" or "For The Love In You".





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464. "The Temple of Beatlism"
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I started this site some years back with a friend of mine, following a sleep-deprived conversation amid a marathon session of listening to Beatles music. I used to operate the site myself, but have since passed the torch to someone with a better eye for design. The premise was to create a satirical philosophy and religion that used the popular mythology of the Beatles as its defining principle. This took shape in the form of the notion of "Inner Beatles", where each member of the band personifies some aspect of our own mental or spiritual being. Its all quite absurd and more-or-less facetious. But, you can check it out here:
http://www.beatlism.tk/
The response I've gotten from visitors to the site has ranged from "God, you're strange!" to "Finally, a kindred spirit!". Only about half those who commented seemed to understand that the "Temple of Beatlism" was in fact intended as a farce. While you can certainly argue that the site may be a waste of my time and effort, it IS undeniably unique...

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466. "RE: The Temple of Beatlism"
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lovin' the logo, on some straight up cult business... and a great read, good work.

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467. "great site, song-by-song info"
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http://www.beatles-discography.com/ot/song-by-song.html

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486. "your avatar is AWESOME!"
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love that

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469. "As much as I love Graham Central Station...."
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they shoulda left "Dear Prudence" alone.....

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470. "I'm a huge GCS fan, but I've never heard their version"
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I see why too (after doing a search), it was previously unreleased until 2001. Does it say during what sessions they did the song?

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476. "I can't find the CD Case..."
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but it's sounds like Priscilla, so I'm guessing it was around the time they was recording the Mirror LP

didn't know you was big on GCS..

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471. "***REVOLVED: the mash up***"
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I'm putting together more articles for this thread, but until then, here is something that I was passed via e-mail. Might be old, but after the Dangermouse project, everyone wants to get in on the "let's sample The Beatles" bandwagon. Anyway, someone decided to create some mash-ups for the REVOLVER album. It's called REVOLVED:

http://www.hearingdouble.co.uk/ccc/

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477. "Wow"
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This is surprisingly dope. I didn't expect very much from it, but it is crazy nice. Thank you very much for this.

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478. "RE: ***REVOLVED: the mash up***"
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fantasic... one of the best remix projects I've heard.. 'got to get you in the mood' is ill. thanx for the link.

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479. "Damn, this is good"
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472. "johnbook, how about bootlegs?-"
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what's out there?

i remember i had a burned cd with the making of "strawberry fields
forever"--a disc full of takes from the recording of that specific
song. i lost that disc some time ago. but what more is out there?

what can i look for? and more important, what do you suggest i look
for? i'm too familiar with the beatles' released work--i'm curious
too know more about their recording proces et al. i studied the
website www.beatles-discography.com but i reckon it's more fun to
listen to these sessions myself and do my own analysis.

any suggestions?

and btw, you did a hell of a job with that beatles history lesson.

*applauds*

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473. "There's a hell of a lot to look out for"
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I briefly touched on it in reply #315, but the Beatles bootlegged legacy is even deeper than their official catalog.

The way they recorded in the early days, you are able to find bootlegs featuring the process of many of their songs, from early takes, false starts, etc. The CD's are sorted out in various incarnations, and it can get pretty confusing.

A few titles of interest:
HARD DAYS AND NIGHTS
UNSURPASSED MASTERS (a series of CD's)
ULTRA RARE TRAX (another series of CD's)
LOST IN PEPPERLAND
WHITE ALBUM SESSIONS
THE GET BACK ALBUM SESSIONS

One site I would highly recommend is Bootleg Zone:
http://www.bootlegzone.com

You're able to see covers, scans, and comments about all of the bootlegs that are available. There's also a series of "alternate" discs, such as THE ALTERNATE RUBBER SOUL, THE ALTERNATE REVOLVER, THE ALTERNATE SGT. PEPPER, etc, and it's a compilation of outtakes, alternate takes, false starts, from various sources. If you come familiar with one of their albums, listening to an "alternate" version can be interesting.








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474. "FUCK THE BEATLES"
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OVERATED.

for the cats claiming the street/ i leave your teeth embeded in concrete

  

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475. "That's alright"
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If you're not a fan, you're not a fan. Not a big deal.

Who ARE some of your favorite artists?

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511. "RE: That's alright"
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>If you're not a fan, you're not a fan. Not a big deal.
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>Who ARE some of your favorite artists?
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>you eat a girl out." - discjockingmost
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Not the beatles....

nah really tho i like some of their catalogue but consider them overated as far as influence, i love me some Hendrix and Marley, but overall i'm a diehard hiphop fan.

  

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512. "RE: That's alright"
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>nah really tho i like some of their catalogue but consider
>them overated as far as influence, i love me some Hendrix and
>Marley, but overall i'm a diehard hiphop fan.

Overrated, perhaps, but their influence does and still exists.

I'm a huge Hendrix fan as well. Marley I do like, but reggae is so huge that there are more than enough artists and groups to enjoy. My love for the music of The Beatles also coincided with me hearing "Rapper's Delight" for the first time, so I've been a fan of The Beatles AND hip-hop for 26 years. I'm not about to stop.



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480. "thanks n/m"
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481. "The Beatles - Decca Tapes"
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hXXp://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1Y4949T5X84GX3EK1ABE93LOLN

  

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482. "The Beatles - Dehra Dun"
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hXXp://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1HY5QEWN7DEIS2I77OWEFLEORH

  

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483. "im officially turned out on the beatles.... damnit"
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whats happening to me lol

magical mystery tour? DAMN



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484. "Another thing to consider about MMT"
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In England, it was released as a double 7" EP. The songs on side 1 of the album (or everything up to and including "I Am The Walrus") was the EP, as they were used in the film. Side 2 ("Hello Goodbye" through "All You Need Is Love") was simply the singles they had released in 1967. That was Capitol's doing, since the 7" EP as a format failed in the U.S. Nonetheless, as an album it did quite well and it was one of the few American versions that was imported to England.

Some say that MMT is the perfect B-side to SGT. PEPPER, as both albums compliment each other and represent the best of what the group released in that very important year.

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485. "RE: The Beatles: essential lessons in rock'n'roll"
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Yo I love the Beatles. I don't love them because its "cool" to like old shit(no diss), but I love them because its good music. My pops put me up to it when I was a kid and since then I was a kid. I especially like their early days before all drugs...like HELP! But thats me.

  

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487. "Plunderphonics"
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you don't need to know my sig, because you know my steez. I have left okayplayer and

and and and

you don't need to know.

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488. "***PAUL McCARTNEY: The Solo Years (Part I)***"
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Sir Paul McCartney had been giving away his songs at the height of Beatlemania, so it shouldn't come as a surprise that he was the first one to dabble in doing music away from the group. His first effort, however, was not in rock'n'roll, but in creating the score for the film THE FAMILY WAY. Before he was to produce SGT. PEPPER, George Martin and his Orchestra performed McCartney's score in late 1966. Because McCartney's name was proudly announced on the cover, many assumed it was a rock & roll album but that was not the case.

According to interviews, McCartney's appreciation of classical music came through the lady he was dating, Jane Asher. Both of them would sit for tea at her parents house, and her parents had a healthy classical record collection. He'd ask to take a listen. In a way, McCartney would become somewhat of an apprentice for George Martin, in doing scores and in production, as he would pretty much produce the material of his own solo work.

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In the early days of Apple, McCartney continued to write for others. Beatles bootlegs show the early process of songs through demos, such as his version of "Goodbye" (given to Mary Hopkin) and "Come And Get It" (given to Badfinger).

During the sessions for the White Album, he was also asked to compose a song for a British television show called "Thingumybob", which the Black Dyke Mills Band recorded and McCartney released on Apple as a 45 (with "Yellow Submarine" as its B-side).

He would continue to collaborate with producer Peter Asher, brother of his girlfriend Jane and the "Peter" in Peter & Gordon, the duo whom McCartney wrote a number of songs for, including "A World Without Love" (Asher would become the A&R of Apple Records in its initial years, but when Paul got involved with a New York music photographer named Linda Eastman, Asher felt it would be wise to move on. Asher would eventually become one of the hottest produces of the 1970's, becoming well known for his work with Linda Rondstadt among others).

THE BEATLES (White Album) was the first time most people got to hear Paul on the drums, which he would later do with John when they recorded "The Ballad Of John & Yoko". It showed that he could do a lot more, but no one was really sure until the spring of 1970.

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With solo albums from John and George that were experimental in nature and Ringo Starr doing an album of standards that fortunately wasn't a sign of the music he would do in the first part of the 1970's, McCartney had other plans of his own. ABBEY ROAD was the group's last hurrah, but fans did not know that yet, especially since they were anticipating LET IT BE. When McCartney announced he was leaving The Beatles, it was the end of an era. But the announcement was well timed, for an album followed a few weeks later. Simply called McCARTNEY, the entire album was performed by him in his home studio on his farm in Scotland. The album was a mixed bag of styles, from ballads to rockers and the occasional "what did I just listen to?" While John had always been looked at as "the weird one", it has been said that Paul was dabbling in the avant garde before John made the big jump. There's a song on the album called "Glasses", a brief piece which consists of nothing but the sound of someone rubbing crystal glasses. You also had a drum solo of sorts called "Kreen-Akrore", complete with grunting. But he also had "Every Day" and "Maybe I'm Amazed". While no singles were released from the album, many stations in England the U.S. singled out "Maybe I'm Amazed", and it helped bring McCARTNEY to the #1 spot on the Billboard Charts, where it stayed for three weeks. It would be another seven years before "Maybe I'm Amazed" was properly released as a single, this time in a live version.

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The next album would follow almost a year later, RAM, the first credited to "Paul & Linda McCartney". While critics enjoyed the creativity of hearing an album recorded by one person, a lot of people panned RAM for its cheesiness. On one hand you had "Heart Of The Country", but you also had "3 Legs". On another hand you had "Too Many People", but you also had "Monkberry Moon Delight". Paul would probably say "it's not cheesy, it's more cheeky" and it was what Paul promised and delivered, a perfect balance of quality songs and the toss-off tracks that has oddly enough become one of Paul's trademarks. The album sold well due to the single "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey".

On a side note, it was believed that the ram Paul was holding on the front cover was meant to be a reference to John Lennon. They were both having a battle of words in the press, and Paul decided to take it to the music:
http://www.cottageviews.com/album%20covers/Paul%20McCartney%20-%20Ram.jpg

John went one step further by recording "How Do You Sleep", bashing Paul left and right. Original copies of IMAGINE also came with a nice postcard of Lennon holding the ears of a pig.

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Not willing to rest, Paul decided that maybe it was time to get into a group function again. Thus the creation of Wings, which would feature former Moody Blues guitarist Denny Laine as a member. The first album under the Wings name was WILD LIFE, and again he surprised fans and critics with a record that was different than his first two. No singles were released for this, although many did play his cover of "Love Is Strange".

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Fans had to wait two years for the next album. RED ROSE SPEEDWAY was released a few weeks after Apple came out with 1962-1966 and 1967-1970, the two Beatles compilation LP's which brought renewed interest for the group. RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, however, was preceded by a television special that would help make 1973 Paul's year. The show was simply called JAMES PAUL McCARTNEY, and not only did it feature songs from RED ROSE SPEEDWAY, but also hints of other songs he would release later that year, including the theme to "Live And Let Die" (released as a single on June 1, 1973). There were also some moments in the television show that were very "camp", and most considered the show a disappointment. It was Paul's idea of a variety show, although it was very much a promotional tool. RED ROSE SPEEDWAY featured a lot of great songs, including "When The Night", "One More Kiss", "Big Barn Red", and the hit single "My Love".

This was the first to be credited to "Paul McCartney & Wings". Fans and critics loved it, many saying it was a long awaited return to the rock Paul has always been known for, viewing the first three albums as nothing more than "experimental home recordings".

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If fans wanted more, they didn't have to wait long. As he was writing high on the charts, the other ex-Beatles were also doing well with their new albums. Paul decided he wanted to try something different, so he asked the EMI offices about other EMI-affiliated recording studios that may be available. A number of locals were considered, and Paul had known of the Indian division of EMI through George's work there on the WONDERWALL MUSIC soundtrack. It was decided, however, that Nigeria would be the country of choice. Paul made sure everyone in the group, including drummer Danny Seiwell, would make it. However, Seiwell at the last minute decided he no longer wanted to be in the group. Upon looking at the recording studio in Lagos, Paul realized that it was very primitive but suitable for recording. Paul got his people to fix up a few things, and recording began. Paul decided that he would play the drums, so it is he that you hear throughout the album. At one point during the sessions, Fela Kuti arrived and wanted to hear what was going on. Paul had already been a fan of Kuti's, quoted as saying "we saw him one night at his own club and I was crying". Nonetheless, Kuti was concerned about this British white man on African soil, and was afraid that Paul was trying to steal African music, or to steal his musicians. Paul had to assure Kuti that that was not the case, and that none of the music sounded like his, or anything that was distinctly African.

Inbetween sessions, Paul and Linda were walking around town one evening when some locals went out of their way to mug them, stealing the cash they had on them as well as demo tapes. He was afraid, and he put those feelings into song, which would become the title track.

From the recording sessions, Paul decided to release "Helen Wheels" as a single. It managed to generate a lot of interest, but the song was not intended to be a part of the album. However, Capitol Records in the U.S. insisted that it be placed on the album. On December 5, 1973, BAND ON THE RUN was released. It was a sleeper album for Paul, but by 1974, with the release of "Jet" and "Band On The Run" as singles, it would finally hit the top of the Billboard Album Chart for one week in April 1974, just as "Band On The Run" as a single was put into stores. BAND ON THE RUN would become the best selling solo album of his career, and is generally considered the one album ever McCartney fan should have. It was a solid album from start to finish.

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By 1974, Paul had found some others to become a part of Wings, and it was time to record a new album. However, just as Paul was the first to leave The Beatles, Paul also became the first Beatle to leave the comforts of Apple Records. Perhaps Paul knew of a crashing plane ready to happen, and he jumped when the moment was right. In 1974, the only music being released on their own label was their own and Yoko Ono.

The first few months of 1975 was spent recording the next album, which would result in the first single, "Listen To What The Man Said", an obvious musical ode to the sound of New Orleans. A few weeks later, the song would go #1, just as VENUS AND MARS entered stores. The album too would go #1, followed by two more singles, "Venus And Mars/Rock Show" and "Letting Go". But what fans in the U.S. wanted was for Paul to tour, as he had limited Wings shows to Europe. They would get their wish the following year.

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1976 came and it was announced that Wings would tour the U.S. They went into the studio to record what would become WINGS AT THE SPEED OF SOUND. The first single, "Silly Love Songs", was a massive 5 minutes and 55 seconds, not exactly the norm for most music on the radio, but this was Paul McCartney. The song, despite its length, immediately went to #1. "Let 'Em In" was the second single, and it too went to #1. Perhaps the beef John and Paul had was a thing of the past. At this point, John Lennon was to go into retirement to spend time raising his new son, Sean Ono Lennon. Eventually, years after he was denied even getting a green card, Lennon officially became a U.S. citizen. In "Let 'Em In", one of the people Paul says is okay to come in is "Brother John".

Eventually, Paul and Wings hit the road and every concert was a success. At the same time, Capitol Records decided to cash in and release a compilation album called ROCK & ROLL MUSIC, featuring brand new mixes of their songs by George Martin, which The Beatles did not approve of. It didn't matter, for it became a hit, and spawned a wave of Beatlemania all over again, leading many to hope for a possible reunion and concert tour.

Even with Paul still on tour, bootleggers would find a way to record his concerts and release them "behind the counter" to fans who were hungry. The bootlegs sold well enough to get a lot of news, with some pressings coming in 3LP box sets, each piece of vinyl coming in red, white, and blue not only to represent Paul's tour of America, but to coincide with the bicentennial celebrations at the time. It forced Paul and Capitol to figure out how to top the bootleggers. They decided to release a triple LP, essentially the entire live show on wax, and call it WINGS OVER AMERICA. Released at the end of 1976 (in time for Xmas), it came out during a time when live albums were king. WINGS OVER AMERICA became as important as KISS ALIVE and FRAMPTON COMES ALIVE, and while it was a 3 record set, fans went out to buy it. At a time when radio stations would play the entire album, or album cuts, one song that got considerable attention was "Maybe I'm Amazed". The song may have already been seven years old, but for a young generation it was new. It was released as a single on February 7, 1977 and went as high as #10.

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By 1978, Paul wanted to move on from Capitol Records. His last album for the label, for the time being, was LONDON TOWN. It was very laid back compared to WINGS AT THE SPEED OF SOUND and WINGS OVER AMERICA, but it was very much of its time, without having to deal with disco. "With A Little Luck", another long Paul song at 5:45, managed to get a lot of airplay desipte its length and it too went to #1. LONDON TOWN came out with two more singles, but Paul didn't have to worry, for his three years on Capitol are considered to be some of his best, musically and statistically.

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In the spring of 1979, fans discovered that Paul was now on Columbia Records. His first effort was the catchy single "Goodnight Tonight", which some viewed as a disco song. It was a hit, but at a time when disco was going down big time, people were ready to make Paul the new Ringo.

But Paul had other plans in mind already, resulting in the album BACK TO THE EGG. Released as a Wings album, Paul created a television special in support of the album, essentially a few interviews and visual representations of some of the songs. "Getting Closer" and the funky "Arrow Through Me" were released as singles, but they did not do as well. While not a flop by any means, it wasn't exactly selling on the level of BAND ON THE RUN. Definitely a hidden cannon in Paul's discography.

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In early 1980, Paul decided to record another solo album, and solo meaning "all by himself", just as he did 10 years earlier. The first preview of it was yet another kooky Paul track, "Coming Up". It did get a bit of airplay, but what a lot of people did like was the live version by Wings that was the B-side, as some felt the electronic sounds of the A-side was too weird for its time (that "new wave" sound wouldn't catch on until a year later). In May 1980, McCARTNEY II was released, and sold primarily because of the live "Coming Up". The album contained a bonus one sided 7" single of the live "Coming Up". The inside gatefold featured Paul at home, along with three photos of Paul, which were his interpretations of John, George, and Ringo.

At the same time, it had been known that while on a Wings tour in Japan, Paul was busted for possession of marijuana. He would have faced seven years prison time, but Japanese officials felt Paul was ignorant of Japan's drug laws, and they let him go, asking him to leave immediately. There was definitely a buzz in the air for Paul, but the drug bust also put an end to Wings as a group. McCARTNEY II, while a complete solo effort, was the end of an era for Paul.

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Later that year, it was announced that John Lennon was out of retirement and recording a new album, for a new label called Geffen Records, created by former Asylum Records owner David Geffen. The album would be a split effort with wife Yoko Ono, called DOUBLE FANTASY. With John and Paul on the charts with new material, again there was hope for a possible reunion between the two. But all of those dreams ended on December 8, 1980, when Lennon was shot outside of his Dakota apartment building, and died later that night.

It was a time when Beatles fans had to face the reality, move on, and maybe grow up, for holding on to childhood dreams was no longer an option. At that point, there was no point in looking back for possibilities of anything.

Fortunately for Paul, there was no shortage of music.

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*waiting for part 2*

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514. "coming soon"
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515. "oh, i GOTTA ad one song not mentioned"
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MULL OF KINTYRE

i swear, when pipes step in, it's my favorite mccartney's moment (i guess).
wasn't there some beef between paul and them pipers? he hasn't paid them well enough or something.

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517. "I'm doing a post on his singles"
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Paul did a lot of music that weren't done for the albums, so that is to come.


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489. "Just got back from Barnes & Noble"
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bought a hard days night on DVD. It's a two disc set. I've seen this movie before, but I can't wait to see it again! Esp. with all the bonus features! I'm so excited!!!!

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491. "The Beatles 5th LP (Help!)"
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By British Reckoning.

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492. "Favorite cover of a Beatles song"
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I'm partial to Rufus Wainwright's 'Across the Universe'
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493. "I like Wilson Pickett's "Hey Jude""
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Stevie Wonder's "We Can Work It Out" is great.




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494. "I dont know why"
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But Stevie's "We Can Work It Out" never really did it for me. Has anybody ever made an album of just "Yesterday" covers? That might could be interesting. But how would they pick which ones? Expansive!

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497. "nick cave - let it be (LINK)"
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http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2HL9PLM0GJPRA27T6A2VT4G551

nick does a lovely version of this, imo



  

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495. "BEATLES ALBUM COVERS - your favourite? comments?"
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most... if not all of them feature the fab four on the front (well, the white album doesn't, but I think all the others...)

i suppose I like the Abbey Road one... after planning to go to mount Evererest to shoot it (that was what the album was going to be called), they only got as far as the street outside the studio, lol.

and i'm sure something deep can be said about the fact that you assume they're walking forwards when in fact they're walking backwords

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496. "actually with ABBEY ROAD..."
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They walked both directions, in fact there are photos from that morning showing them crossing a number of times. There's also a photo of them on the sidewalk, either about to cross or just crossing, with an old lady standing there talking with the group.

http://www.phantasm777.com/beatles/beatles69e.gif

Do a Google image search for "Abbey Road", and it's cool to see all of the thousands of people who have done the same.





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499. "Why is Paul barefoot in that picture?"
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i've always wondered that.

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500. "Look at the sandals he's rocking"
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It's a hot day, things get funky, bam! slip 'em right off.

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502. "yep"
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Forget it becoming one of the clues in the PAUL IS DEAD mysteries. I believe that it was one of the last shots of that session, and Paul simply wanted to take them off because it was getting hot (the photos were taken around 10am).

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498. "500 posts! although this place is dead as dostoyevsky"
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Why do you choose to mimic these wack MCs?
Why do you choose to listen to R&B?

"There are obviously many things which we do not understand, and may never be able to." Leela

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503. "Paul is Dead!"
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http://www.rareexception.com/Garden/Beatles/Paul.php

http://members.tripod.com/~taz4158/mac.html

http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A277328

Enjoy!

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504. "The Beatles 6th LP (Rubber Soul)"
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by British reckoning.

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505. "The Beatles 7th LP (Revolver)"
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by British reckoning.

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506. "***THE BEATLES DisCovered (new book on Beatles cover versions)***"
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This is a brand new book, and I plan to get this eventually. It comes with a CD featuring loads of Beatles covers. Check it:

http://www.beatlology.com/belmo_book.html



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507. "RE: ***THE BEATLES DisCovered (new book on Beatles cover versions)***"
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hey, diana mendoza says "something" is the best beatles song of all time. what do u all have to say to that?

sweetness, where u park that petiteness?

  

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508. "RE: ***THE BEATLES DisCovered (new book on Beatles cover versions)***"
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I know you're all wondering who Diana is. Look no further. It's me!!!

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509. "I have no problem with that"
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There is a handful of songs where I feel like anybody could argue them being "the greatest beatles song" and I would have no problem with the argument and could completely understand where they are coming from. Items from this list include: "she loves you"/"I wanna hold your hand"/"all my loving", "yesterday"/"for no one", "something"/"here comes the sun", and "i will"/"julia".

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510. "Definitely one of the best"
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516. "you the man, John (and I didn't even mean Lennon)"
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loved reading your stuff
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518. "i hope this post gets archived."
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By British Reckoning.

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522. "***PAUL McCARTNEY: The Solo Years (Part II)***"
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After the death of John Lennon on December 8, 1980, most of the world wondered what would happen next. For Paul McCartney, it was time to continue making music and live life. He did just that by releasing TUG OF WAR in April 1982. It was this album that featured not one, but two collaborations with Stevie Wonder: "Ebony & Ivory" and the slightly more sexy "What's That You're Doing". The album also featured "Take It Away" (the video of which featured drummers Steve Gadd and Ringo Starr) and "Tug Of War", as well as a touching tribute to John Lennon, "Here Today". Due to the existence of MTV, TUG OF WAR became a big hit all around.

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It didn't take Paul too long to follow it up with the appropriately titled PIPES OF PEACE. This was promoted with a first single that was another duet, "Say Say Say" featuring Michael Jackson. It wasn't the first time the two made music today, as Paul had helped MJ in the first single off of THRILLER, "The Girl Is Mine". "Say Say Say" went to #1. It was when followed up by a mellow choice for a single, "So Bad".

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As 1984 came along, the media looked to Duran Duran. It was the 20th anniversary of The Beatles arriving in America, and many wondered if Duran Duran, who already had a string of hits behind them, would be as huge as The Beatles. John, Nick, and the three Taylors wondered about it themselves. Paul, on the other hand, was itching to get back on the big screen, which left the media wondering if it would be able to match the power of A HARD DAY'S NIGHT. It didn't.

GIVE MY REGARDS TO BROAD STREET as a film has its moments, but it became as moving as a Master P flick. The movie involves a master tape, and somehow it gets stolen. The fun never really begins. Perhaps that master tape should have remained stolen, for the soundtrack album was so-so either, but fans were able to hear a few new remakes of old Beatles classics. It didn't stop it from going to #1 in England, helped by a great single, "No More Lonely Nights", a ballad featuring a guitar solo from Pink Floyd's David Gilmour. To a lot of people's surprise, Paul also did a dance mix of the song, which put it in the clubs. But since the movie did poorly at the box office (some theaters stopping its run mid-week), there would be no more singles from it.

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It would be almost two years before Paul decided to release another album, but in August 1986 he popped up with PRESS TO PLAY. At this point, most of the record industry began to rely heavily on MTV for airplay and exposure. Paul being Paul did get that with he first single, "Press", but at this time he was also competing with Bon Jovi, Twisted Sister, and The Cure. Fortunately there had been a new cable network running for two years, called Video Hits One (VH-1) so eventually Paul moved over there. PRESS TO PLAY also released "Stranglehold" and "Only Love Remains" as singles.

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ALL THE BEST would be released the following year, the first greatest hits package for Paul since 1978's WINGS GREATEST.

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In 1988, it was announced that the U.S.S.R. would be releasing its first legitimate Beatles records. This was big news, as Beatles music had always sold very well on the black market. In honor of this occasion, Paul decided to record an album exclusively for the Russians. Called CHOBA B CCCP (or "BACK IN THE USSR"), it was an album most fans had wanted Paul to do for years, as he returned to the rock & roll music he grew up listening to. With no US or UK release in site, fans had to find any way to buy it. Back then, it meant having to pay $125+ for a copy. Bootleggers knowing the demand, they pressed up their own vinyl copies, and it started to sell as if it was an official release. A lot of people who knew Paul could rock loved this album, stating that his regular albums up to that point have become duds of a soy-milk variety.

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Just as CHOBA B CCCP was doing well at stores, Paul was in the studio yet again to come up with FLOWERS IN THE DIRT. It was promoted with the song and video "My Brave Face", which also brought Paul back to MTV, despite the different musical climate that was June of 1989.

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At this point I stopped buying Paul's albums only because most of them started becoming CD-only releases, although with the interest in this thread, I'd like to go back and get them (especially now that I know that vinyl copies of them do exist).

Here is the remainder of Paul's album discography up to today. Paul has announced a tour this fall, which will coincide with a brand new album, showing that Paul still has a lot to offer.



* TRIPPING THE LIGHT FANTASTIC (3LP live album)
* TRIPPING THE LIGHT FANTASTIC HIGHLIGHTS (best of from the 3LP)
* UNPLUGGED: THE OFFICIAL BOOTLEG (from his MTV Unplugged session)
* PAUL McCARTNEY'S LIVERPOOL ORATORIO (Paul's first official full blown classical composition, dedicated to his home city)
* SELECTIONS FROM PAUL McCARTNEY'S LIVERPOOL ORATORIO (highlights)
* OFF THE GROUND
* PAUL IS LIVE (a live album, the title of which was a play on the Paul is Dead rumors, with a cover featuring Paul and his dog crossing the famous Abbey Road)
* FLAMING PIE
* RUN DEVIL RUN
* WINGSPAN
* DRIVING RAIN
* BACK IN THE U.S.
* BACK IN THE WORLD

I'll get into his side projects, as well as his singles and B-sides, in the next post.



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523. "The Beatles 9th LP (Magical Mystery Tour)"
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By British Reckoning.

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524. "***PAUL McCARTNEY: The Side Projects (Part III)***"
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Paul McCartney loves to rock and sing the touching ballad. But he also enjoys trying to do something different.

The first album with his name was the 1967 soundtrack album THE FAMILY WAY, with the music performed by George Martin and his orchestra.

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In terms of albums, the world was treated to an unusual album in 1977 by someone named Percy Thrillington. The album, called THRILLINGTON, was an all-instrumental, classical/jazz arrangement of Paul's 1971 album RAM. It did coincide with the buzz of Paul's recent U.S. tour, but outside of that, it was a major flop. The cover made people scratch their heads, wondering if Percy Thrillington was really Paul McCartney. That rumor had been around for years. While Paul did come up with the idea, he put the project in the hands of arranger Richard Hewson. Nonetheless, for those who did know about it, it became an odd footnote in Paul's discography, even if Paul didn't play a note on it.

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http://www.mcbeatle.de/macca/a/thrillington_gds.html

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It would be two decades until Paul decided to fool around, in album form at least. In February 1994, Paul collaborated with producer Flood in a project they called The Fireman. The first album was called STRAWBERRIES, OCEANS, SHIPS, FORESTS, and it gave Paul a chance to get into electronica. While most may feel that in itself is strange, Paul had been an early fan of the Moog in the 1960's, and McCARTNEY II also had its share of electronic music too.

Four years later, McCartney and Flood came back with RUSHES (as in "The Fireman rushes in", a lyric pulled from "Penny Lane"). It wasn't intended to hit the charts or be a success, but at the age of 58, it was still about having fun.

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In 1991, Paul decided to share his longtime love of classical music with something called the LIVERPOOL ORATORIO. While classical afficionados called it amateurish, most people felt it was a beautiful piece in honor of the town that became all the rage in the 1960's.

He followed it up with another classical album in September 1997, STEPPING STONE, and then WORKING CLASSICAL in October 1999. Unlike his previous two classical projects, WORKING CLASSICAL featured old Paul and Beatles songs done with classical arrangements. It went to #1, where it stayed for 9 weeks.

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For the ultimate in WTF, Paul released an album called LIVERPOOL SOUND COLLAGE, with no artist credit anywhere. It was a sound collage with no proper music or songs, but just studio chatter from various sources, including Beatles recording sessions. Since John Lennon had his experimental phase, and George had come out with ELECTRONIC MUSIC in 1969, this would be Paul's equivalent to that. Unfortunately, sound collage can't compete with Britney Spears' alluring, ever-changing cleavage, so this was not a hit. Nonetheless, Macca fans scratched their heads, while bedroom producers and sound collage enthusiasts enjoyed it.


(COMING UP NEXT: Paul's legacy on 45rpm)








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526. "***PAUL McCARTNEY Part IV: The Singles/B-sides***"
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Paul McCartney comes from a dying era, that where music fans appreciated a single and knew that it often had nothing to do with the album. Paul recorded frequently, and when he felt like it, he dropped a new song. Not only that, but he also released his share of great B-sides as well, many of which didn't make it onto albums (although in the digital age, some have come out as bonus tracks on CD, and if you look good, you can find bootleg B-side compilations). While Paul's solo albums are a legacy into itself, as you will see, he was the king of the hits as well, especially in the 70's:

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"Another Day"/"Oh Woman, Oh Way"
Released in early 1971, this was Paul's first proper solo single, something AM radio had wanted when his first solo album, McCARTNEY, was released without a single. This was considered a double-A side, meaning both songs charted as one. "Another Day" was a nice pop song, whole "Oh Woman, Oh Why" was the rocker. It went as high as #5 in the U.S.

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"Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey//Too Many People"
Both were from the RAM album. It was two, two, two songs in one, two songs that had nothing to do with each other but it became an instant hit, going up to #1.

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1972 gave us three unique 45's from Paul:
"Give Ireland Back To The Irish"
"Mary Had A Little Lamb"/"Little Woman Love"
"Hi, Hi, Hi"/"C Moon:

"Give Ireland Back To The Irish" was Paul's political stance on the state of what was going on in Ireland. Not exactly "Sunday Bloody Sunday" but it worked. Since a lot of Americans had no idea what the conflict was about, it only did fairly well, going as high as #21. (In terms of releasing political singles, John Lennon came out with "Power To The People" the year before, and George Harrison also had "Bangla Desh", which eventually lead to a benefit concert).

"Mary Had A Little Lamb", even today, seems odd, but if anyone could turn a hit song from anything, it was Paul. "Little Woman Love" was a bit more of a rocker, but this did worse than "Give Ireland Back To The Irish", going as high as #28.

"Hi, Hi, Hi" was Paul talking about carrying bootlegs in his hand and smoking that sweet banana. If his first two singles in 1972 were somewhat low-key, this was a return to the rock & roll. "C Moon", which is said to be a term not unlike "L7" (as in square, or being a nerd), was Paul doing the reggae thing. In England, reggae was well known but to American ears, no one knew what he was doing. It wouldn't be the last time Paul touched on his love of the music from Jamaica.

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"My Love"/"The Mess"
This was the first and only single from the RED ROSE SPEEDWAY album, Paul getting very mellow and "whoa-whoa-whoa/OH!"-ish. The slow vibe helped carry it to #1. If the song made fans get sleepy, the B-side helped wake them up. "The Mess" was the first live recording from Paul McCartney & Wings. Paul had been doing small club and university dates (which seems funny now) and this was considered the best, an energetic rocker which made Americans want to hear him on stage. They'd have to wait for awhile.

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"Live And Let Die"/"I Lie Around"
Even as "My Love" was on top, Paul released the theme to the next James Bond movie, which would also be a return to working with producer (Sir) George Martin. Easily one of the best Bond themes ever made, it was a song that carried him through a number of musical and tempo changes, including a reggae-flavored bridge that would represent the tropical side of the Bond film.

"I Lie Around" was the complete opposite, a laid back song about relaxing, with guitarist Denny Laine taking the primary vocal duties. Paul had a knack for putting as much power in his A-side hits, and then releasing some interesting music on the B-sides. This tradition would continue throughout his career.

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"Helen Wheels/Country Dreamer"
"Jet/Mamunia"
"Jet/Let Me Roll It"
"Band On The Run/Nineteen Hundred And Eighty Five" (US)
"Band On The Run/Zoo Gang" (UK)

"Helen Wheels" were recorded during the BAND ON THE RUN sessions in 1973 and was not considered as an album track. However, as momentum was picking up, Capitol in the U.S. asked if it could be slapped on, and it was. If you were to turn on the radio in 1974, it was said that it was Paul McCartney all day, everyday, especially when "Jet" (released twice) and "Band On The Run" came out as singles, each of them doing extremely well. In the UK, Paul offered "Zoo Gang" as the B-side to "Band On The Run" in the UK.

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With "Band On The Run" doing well on the charts, Paul released two singles in October 1974, which would mark the end of an era for him.

"Junior's Farm"/"Sally G"
"Junior's Farm" was a rocker, although to be honest I'm still trying to figure out what the song means. It didn't matter, for it went up to #3. Paul was the man of irresistible hooks, and often times songs that really made no sense. Genius.

The B-side was a country song called "Sally G", which managed to get a bit of airplay on country radio. Country music was becoming more than just "a country thing", with a number of artists crossing over into pop, so this was fitting. "Sally G" was easier to understand, a song about a woman who broke his heart. It managed to chart on its own, going as high as #17. It would mark his last record with Apple Records.


"Walking In The Park With Eloise"/Bridge Over The River Suite" is a 45 on EMI Records, released under the name The Country Hams. This was a dixieland-ish type of record, both instrumentals. It was very low-key, so low-key that no one knew of its existence until after the fact.

(You can hear these songs by clicking here:
http://www.kennethdegraff.com/multimed.html )

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With Apple out of his way, Paul returned in great form:

"Listen To What The Man Said"/"Love In Song"
"Letting Go"/"You Gave Me The Answer"
"Venus And Mars/Rock Show"//"Magneto And Titanium Man"

These were the singles in support of the VENUS & MARS album, with "Listen To What The Man Said" going as high as #1. Fans eagerly awaited for a tour, and they would get their wish the following year.

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"Silly Love Songs/Cook Of The House"
"Let 'Em In/Beware My Love"

These two were released in support of 1976's WINGS AT THE SPEED OF SOUND, going to #1 and #3 respectively. Both tested the endurance levels of radio listeners, as "Silly Love Songs" was a massive 5:55, and "Let 'Em In" became an irresistible sleeper hit with its slow creeping qualities. At this point, Paul and Wings went on tour across the U.S. and brought that money back to his farm.

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"Maybe I'm Amazed"/"Soily"
This is from WINGS OVER AMERICA, the hit that never was became a hit in a live version. It went as high as #10.

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"Seaside Woman"/"B-Side To Seaside"
These songs were recorded in 1973 or so, but not released until 1977, on Epic Records, credited to "Suzy & The Red Stripes". An obvious tribute to reggae once again, with Linda McCartney taking up the lead (although you tend to hear Paul and Linda singing more than anything. If you want to hear Linda, you can hear her in "Cook Of The House"). Reggae music was hot in 1977, but this single was not. It is a catchy single, though.

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"Mull Of Kintyre"/"Girlschool"
Here's an interesting single. "Mull Of Kintyre" was a nice song done in 3/4 time, and it became a huge hit around the world. In the U.S., no one quite got into it. They preferred the B-side, which was Paul's rockin' tribute to the world of porn. The name of the song would influence a bunch of British girls to form their own band with that name.

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"With A Little Luck"//"Backwards Traveller/Cuff Link"
"I've Had Enough"/"Deliver Your Children"
"London Town"/"I'm Carrying"

A new Wings album was in stores, LONDON TOWN, and these three were in support of it. "With A Little Luck" went to #1, while the other singles did so-so. It would become his last records with Capitol for awhile, with a move to Columbia Records.

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"Goodnight Tonight"/"Daytime Nightime Suffering"
This was released in the spring of 1979, a somewhat dance song which also was released as a disco song. It got a lot of radio airplay, and if you were lucky, you may have had a chance to see the promotional film clip of it on public access or Casey Kasem's television show, "America's Top 10". Videos were not commonplace in the U.S. just yet (although Warner Bros. Records were making them and having them shown at record stores, and public access cable), so being able to "see" a song was a new phenomenon. It went as high as #5.

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"Getting CLoser"/"Spin It On"
"Arrow Through Me"/"Old Siam, Sir"

BACK TO THE EGG was his first album for Columbia, and these were the two singles. Amazingly, the singles went as high as 20 and 29, respectively, even thought they were some of his best songs. "Arrow Through Me" could easily be covered today by soul artists, as it has a groove that was quite funky.

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Paul then released a Christmas single as a way to say thank you to the fans who made the 1970's his decade:

"Wonderful Christmastime"/"Rudolph The Red Nosed Reggae"
Like most Christmas singles, this one did not chart. It too had a music video, and both song and video still get airplay during the holiday season. "Rudolph The Red Nosed Reggae" is just what you think it is, and it became one of the last times Paul dabbled with reggae music.

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"Coming Up"//"Coming Up (Live At Glasgow)"/"Lunch Box/Odd Sox"
"Waterfalls"/"Check My Machine"
"Temporary Secretary/Secret Friend"

Paul welcomed the 1980's by recording an album all on his own. The result was McCARTNEY II. Oddly enough, the solo version of "Coming Up" was not what radio DJ's wanted to hear, so they flipped the record over and played the live, rock version by Paul McCartney & Wings. It was that version that helped the record go to #1. The solo version of "Coming Up", however, did come with a music video where Paul was the entire band, from the horn section, to the Ringo-esque drummer, to Buddy Holly, and the keyboardist that looked like that guy from Sparks, years before Andre 3000 decided to do the same with "Hey Ya".

"Waterfalls", the first line of which somehow resurfaced as the chorus in a song by TLC, was a beautiful ballad that did not do well at all.

I didn't even know that "Temporary Secretary" was released as a single until just now, but it is one of my favorite songs off of McCARTNEY too, where McCartney does his best to sound like Kraftwerk.

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"Ebony And Ivory"/"Rainclouds"
"Take It Away"/"I'll Give You A Ring"
"Tug Of War"/"Get It"

These three were the singles off of TUG OF WAR, with "Rainclouds" and "I'll Give You A Ring" being the non-LP tracks. "Tug Of War" came out as a single, and somehow the only place which released them with picture sleeves was Hawai'i (which is how I bought mine). I would later discover that the picture sleeves were not official, that someone (in Hawai'i?) decided to print up picture sleeves and release them at Hawaiian record stores. I, thus, have a collectors item.

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"Say Say Say"/"Ode To A Koala Bear"
"So Bad"/"Pipes Of Peace"

These were the singles Paul released in 1983 to promote PIPES OF PEACE, with "Ode To A Koala Bear" being the non-LP song. I actually thought "So Bad" was a great song, with Ringo Starr resurfacing in the video.

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"No More Lonely Nights"/"No More Lonely Nights (Playout Version)"
The only single to be released from the GIVE MY REGARDS TO BROAD STREET, the A-side featured a great guitar solo by Pink Floyd's David Gilmour, while the B-side was a dance version of the song.

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"We All Stand Together"
This was a song created for the British cartoon series "Rupert And The Frog", and thus was only released in the UK.

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"Spies Like Us"/"My Carnival"
This was released for the Chevy Chase and Dan Aykroyd film of the same name, a nice rock & roll song which helped bring the song up to #7. In the video, Chevy and Dan find themselves in the studio with Paul, only to find themselves crossing Abbey Road in the video's conclusion. "My Carnival", on the other hand, had been a song recorded in New Orleans 1973 and had been bootlegged heavily over the years. The 12" single featured a remix of "Spies Like Us" by the Art Of Noise, as well as a twisted remix if "My Carnival". Who said Paul was getting old?

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As you can see, there's a lot more where that came from. If you want to know more about his hits, all of his non-LP work, and where to hear them, click here:

http://gernhardt.com/macca/extra.html


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527. "April's over already"
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528. "No"
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The mods had felt that with all of the anchors that was building up in The Lesson, the post would hold itself on its own.


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529. "Eleanor Rigby."
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"Eleanor Rigby" is one of the bleakest songs I've heard from the Beatles. The backing string arrangement is incredibly moving and also integral to the mood of the song. The theme of the song is obviously loneliness. The lives of the two characters epitomize isolation from the rest of the world and the word lonely appears over and over and over.

I think this song is facisnating. The character Eleanor Rigby is hard to figure out. Is she crazy ("lives in a dream")? Is she a widower? No, "she was buried a long with her name, nobody came" - if she was a widow, she would have been buried with her husband's last name. She doesn't have children or friends either, why? Does she work at the church ("picks up the rice"; "died in the church")?

I think that she worked at the church and was never married, but was desperate to be. She lives in the dream of getting married. She sits waiting at her window for someone to show up. She gets all dolled up, but no one notices her. Just like Father McKenzie who works diligently, but saves no one and no one hears his sermons. It's depressing and frustrating, why couldn't they have at least befriended each other?


Lyrics:
Ah, Look at all the lonely people.
Eleanor Rigby picks up the rice in the church
Where a wedding has been.
Lives in a dream
Waits at the window, wearing the face that she keeps in a jar by the door.
Who is it for?
All the lonely people, where do they all come from?
All the lonely people, where do they all belong?

Father McKenzie, writing the words of a sermon
that no one will hear No one comes near.
Look at him working, donnning his stocks in the night when
there's nobody there. What does he care?
All the lonely people, where do they all come from?
All the lonely people, where do they all belong?

Ah, Look at all the lonely people.
Eleanor Rigby died in the church
and was buried a long with her name
Nobody came.
Father McKenzie wiping the dirt from his hands
as he walks from the grave. No one was saved.
All the lonely people, where do they all come from?
(Ah - Look at all the lonely people)
All the lonely people, where do they all belong?
(Ah - Look at all the lonely people)


  

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530. "Thus the reason for her being lonely"
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If it's by choice, why? If she seeked the church, could have she be helped? It is one of those Paul songs that is just pure genius from him. The character comes and goes, the lyrics and the music set the tone for the woman in question, and it makes us look at the world wondering how many other Eleanor Rigby's are out there in the world, living a non-existence. Kind of like Enid in "Ghost World", but at least she escaped.



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532. "RE: Thus the reason for her being lonely"
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>If it's by choice, why? If she seeked the church, could have
>she be helped?

The image that Paul creates for that particular church is pretty rough. It seems apathetic and spiritually depleted. No one goes to listen to the preacher who saves no one. I wonder if he's is pointing fingers at organized religion, i'll try to find out.

>It is one of those Paul songs that is just
>pure genius from him.

It's brilliant. "Eleanor Rigby" is beautifully heartwrenching.

>The character comes and goes, the
>lyrics and the music set the tone for the woman in question,
>and it makes us look at the world wondering how many other
>Eleanor Rigby's are out there in the world, living a
>non-existence.

word. it opens up that perspective wide.

these lyrics always puzzled me "all the lonely people, where do they all belong?"





  

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531. "Beautiful post..."
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This post has gotten me going on a Beatles run for the past couple of weeks -- for such an amazing band - really the blueprint - it's amazing how much they blow you away each time you come back to them.

I'm looking forward to next month's discussion - if it happens.

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533. "The Beatles 1st Album (Please Please Me)"
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534. "i have saved the Beatles!!!"
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nothin like a lil' race baiting to get re-anchored!

lol.


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i was concerned
thank you for helping restore order

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538. "The Beatles 3rd Album (A Hard Day's Night)"
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541. "could Ringo have been anyone?"
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542. "meaning, could The Beatles have had anyone to fill his spot?"
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They did have Pete Best, and in the club days he was considered "the cute one", not Paul. But Pete Best was not as good of a drummer as Ringo, although producer George Martin wasn't even sure of Ringo either. But he fit the dynamic much better than Pete Best did, although we'll never know if the group would have survived had he remained with the group.

At least in the end years, when Ringo did leave the group for awhile, Paul was confident enough to fill his role in the studio.

Yet look at Charlie Watts of the Rolling Stones. Not exactly the most charismatic looking drummers, but the man can play. Put him in a jazz setting with his own group, and it's all over.

Each of The Beatles carried themselves with a sense of humor, and since Ringo Starr was "Ringo Starr" and not just "Richie Starkey", that made him appealing, along with the rings he was known to wear. People made fun of his nose, but they loved him equally (in fact, Ringo probably has more Beatles tribute records than any of the other Beatles combined).


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543. "CAVEMAN soundtrack by Lalo Schifrin to be released June 7th"
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CAVEMAN is the move that, of course, stars Ringo Starr and his future wife, Barbara Bach. De La Soul interpolated the infamous drum scene in their song "En Focus".

http://screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm?ID=4281


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544. "***PAUL McCARTNEY to tour later this year***"
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Most of you who go outside of OKP will probably have heard of this. I've never seen a McCartney show, but at $250 a pop (when I'm generally used to paying between $5-$15 for shows), I don't know.

On one hand, it is Paul McCartney, and he's not getting younger. But $250? I could buy some food clothes, and of course gas for the car. I think the lowest prices on seats is $75, which is still pricey. I guess I should use my press credentials.

Anyone plan on going to see Sir Paul?


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546. "$75 is cheapest?!?!?"
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god dammit.

i don't think he's coming to new orleans while i'm here during school anyways. and he's coming to dc while i am down here. i would like to see him, it would prob. be an amazing show, but unless i get a lil help from the rents i ain't payin that much.

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554. "I saw Sir Paul in 2002"
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at the MCI Center. Awesome show. I had nosebleeds, but I didnt' care. It was dope from start to finish.

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545. "question about abbey road/ let it be timing"
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i was watching ep. 8 of the anthology last night and was a little confused about everything. tell me if this timeline is correct:

-record let it be
-perform rooftop concert
-record abbey road
-release abbey road
-release let it be

now, i don't know why (well, unless its the truth) but i sort of remember seeing in some dates somewhere that they beatles effectively "broke up" a few days after the rooftop concert, and let it be was their final album. am i just wrong? if i am, i don't even know why i thought this way in the first place...

someone straighten it out

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547. "I Me Mine was the last Beatles song recorded, but"
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before that it was all of the Abbey Road songs. So Abbey Road was the last album they recorded

people had heard a lot of the songs from Let It Be before it came out,since they had been mostly recorded a good while ago

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548. "RE: I Me Mine was the last Beatles song recorded, but"
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I bought Paul tickets for $60 on Ticketmaster.

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549. "That is the order in how they did it"
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I think a lot of people will view LET IT BE as their last album, which it was, but not realizing it was recorded in January 1969, over a year before its proper release. The album and movie coincided with Paul's announcement he was leaving, and thus becoming the end of the group, so it was assumed "here's the rooftop concert, and now they're saying goodbye".

The whole GET BACK/LET IT BE is a messy legacy, which is why it had taken them a long time to figure out what to do with it. When they went in to do ABBEY ROAD, it was agreed upon that that would be the end.

"I Me Mine", as others have said, was the last Beatles song recorded, sans John (who was on vacation in Denmark, according to "The Beatles Recording Sessions"). They went into the studio on January 3, 1970 to do a version of "I Me Mine", since early prints of the film (before it was released) featured George playing the song, so they felt it would be best to include it on the soundtrack.

On January 4th, the three decided to add some overdubs to the existing version of "Let It Be".
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So, confusion comes from the fact that many don't know which was recorded first, and why one came before the other. The GET BACK sessions were meant to be the group's idea to "get back" to basics and start playing a few nightclubs, and all of the filming was to be part of a TV special. They decided to scrap the idea for the time being, although "Get Back" and "Don't Let Me Down" did come out as a single a few months later.








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550. "lmao-"
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nice sig, johnbook.

  

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552. "***THE BEATLES ON APPLE RECORDS (book I got in the mail today)***"
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I bought this through the website at http://www.beatle.net for half the price, what they called a "damaged" cover (it has a few blemishes), but I wanted to check it out.

http://www.beatle.net/beatlesonapple1.htm

It came in today, and it's a beautiful looking hardcover book. When I read the description, it said that it was over 300 pages, yet it only touched on Beatles records on Apple. Simple math will tell you that that didn't amount to a lot of records anyway. But the book has stories behind each record and song, along with loads of ads, promotional material, and label scans not only for US and UK variations, but a few pressings from around the world. It also has label scans of records that influenced the group to do their own versions, either officially or on BBC radio sessions.





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553. "Some interesting info about the U.S. pressing of THE BEATLES (White Albu..."
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I'm going here and there throughout the book, and this is what it says about the U.S. pressing:

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"Although George harrison was in Los Angeles during the banding session for the album, he did play an important role in the sound of the American release. During a break from his production of Jackie Lomax's LP, Harrison dropped by the Capitol tower to listen to the acetate pressings of the album. George did not like what he heard and insisted that he be allowed to work with Capitol's engineers to remaster the album.

According to Mal Evans, who was with George in Los Angeles, the Capitol engineers had "done all sorts of technical things to it that altered half the effects!' As as often the practice at the time, the engineers had run teh sound signal through a limiter and compressed the volume range of the recording by cutting back the high volume peaks and bringing up the low passages. This would have been particularly noticable on songs such as "Helter Skelter", which is a loud raucous rocker that has a fade-out fade-in ending, and Harrison's "Long Long Long", which has quiet passages throughout and loud distortion at the end. Evans observed that if George had not "returned it the way it should be the American LP records might have been a bit of a mess!" Capitol used Harrison's remastered version of The White Album to make the metal parts for the discs."
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So for any of you who have ever wondered why UK and Japanese pressings are highly sought after, that's why (that, and the fact that both countries also released mono versions, while Capitol were slowly phasing out mono pressings altogether).

For those who don't know (or if you didn't read the other posts in this thread), when Capitol Records in the U.S. received music from The Beatles, they would tweak the sound to suit their tastes. This is more true with the 45's. Find a Beatles 45 on Capitol (all variations up to and including the purple labels), and for many of the records between 1964-1965, Capitol would add their special echo to it, so it would have that reverb sound that was popular in the 1950's. British studios were quite advanced, and with George Martin producing, he still added his classical music sensibilities to how music should sound. The U.S. pressings were all crap, and not only did the records have echo and reverb, but they were also muddy compared to the British 45's.

That is the one great thing about vinyl, at least from a technical standpoint. The same set of masters would be sent to various countries, yet due to the technology and upkeep of the pressing plants around the world, you could have a whole set of unknown variations.












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555. "***THE END OF BEATLES MONTH ON OKP***"
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The Beatles. They were a group who came out at a time when most bands were not expected to last more than two to three years. Pop music at its best was about instant gratification. As predicted by John Lennon, the group lasted for a mere seven years.

The Beatles. They were very close to being looked upon as royalty in England. Not bad for a bunch of guys who wore leather jackets and toilet seats while mastering the art of pills and women during their club days in Germany. They worked hard and did what they had to in order to make it happen. Long days, longer nights, constant touring paid off. Decca rejected them, but Parlophone Records got them. They worked with a producer who knew everything about "serious" music, but wasn't sure what he could do with rock & roll. George Martin's role within the music and recording of The Beatles is essential.

The Beatles. Four boys from Liverpool growing up in World War II, and in the ashes of what was left. It was a dead end city, they all could've had dead end jobs. But it was music coming in from America via ship which inspired them to want to play music. Elvis was the cool, Buddy Holly was the nerdiness, Little Richard and Chuck Berry were the heart and soul. Different music, yet the same to these Liverpudlians who wanted to do their versions of the music from America.

The Beatles. They were viewed as not foreigners, but aliens, coming from another planet. It is safe to say that it was a true British Invasion, but for a lot of people, it was an invasion of what they felt America was about. While they became appealing to those who accepted them, they would also change the way music was presented and created. Along the way, certain social events would happen and The Beatles would be a part of that soundtrack.

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Love them or hate them, The Beatles and their music have made an impact that is still being talked about, debated, ridiculed, mocked, loved, praised, and whatever other words you can add to this, it applies. I was born on the year they split up, and yet they are probably my all time favorite group. The hype, the hysteria, the controversies, but most of all the music is what made them great. Their songs are irresistible, whether it was the innocence of wanting to hold someone else's hand, to having a personal talk with a loved one ("Julia").

Words have no ethnicity. A line like "life is very short, but there's no time for fussing and fighting, my friend/I have always thought that it's a crime, so I will ask you once again" can be understood by everyone.

In truth, this thread is not only about the celebration of the music of The Beatles, but a celebration of music itself. Music tell stories. There are stories to be told about the songs. Stories to be told about those who composed, produced, and released it. There are people behind the stories, and those people are as interesting as anyone else who has created music, whether it's Maurine White stepping out from the Ramsey Lewis Trio to form The Salty Peppers, only to form Earth Wind & Fire. As interesting as Ravi Shankar touring with his older brother age the age of 10 throughout Europe as a dancer, to notice the admiration he received, only to realize that he would like that as well. As interesting as Toshiko Akiyoshi embracing a music from the United States (jazz) as her own, but having to perform in a stereotypical manner, eventually paving her own path and being one of the few female musicians to be compared to Duke Ellington. As interesting as Joseph Sadler's curiosity about wiring, and wanting to manipulate sound from records to create new sounds.


The Beatles story is their own. Had they been around 10 years before, they probably would have been tossed off as a freaky novelty. During their existence, many wondered when their novelty would wear off. Not only were they giving back the rock & roll they grew up listening to, but they were incorporating sounds from what seemed like "other worlds", musical hybrids that we take for granted in this modern world of mash-ups.

They were not perfect. They were not saints. But they were The Beatles. That's enough for me.







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556. "***P.S. one of the WORST Beatles books ever released is***"
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This one:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=378&item=4545883178

I bought this when it first came out, and I thought well, maybe this guy is an insider. It's some guy who talks about his childhood and high school days, and how the Beatles were a "small" part of his life. He talks about the first time he got laid, and the role of The Beatles in his life is as much a ketchup bottle is. In other words, it's there.

If you can find it at a library, borrow it. But this one is pretty bad.




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