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"Has there been a "GAME CHANGING LP" in the Last 5-10 years of Hip Hop?"


  

          

Question: Has there been a "GAME CHANGING LP" in the Last 5-10 years of Hip Hop? And this is not about your personal favorite or some legendary Underground LP or something of that nature. I'm talking about, do you feel like something as potent as The Chronic or 36 Chambers has dropped & shifted Hip Hop & the culture to a certain degree. I'm talking in terms of a Realistic pick/choice. I'm not really talking record sales but cultural impact.

  

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What does "game changing" mean...
Aug 16th 2011
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RE: What does "game changing" mean...
Aug 16th 2011
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Oh shit ... my bad man.
Aug 16th 2011
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      RE: Oh shit ... my bad man.
Aug 16th 2011
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So Far Gone
Aug 16th 2011
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      yep
Aug 16th 2011
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      RE: So Far Gone
Aug 16th 2011
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Nope. You didn't get the memo? Hip Hop has sucked since 96-98.
Aug 16th 2011
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RE: Nope. You didn't get the memo? Hip Hop has sucked since 96-98.
Aug 16th 2011
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      Haha - you haven't been around long enough to know...
Aug 16th 2011
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           Yep, I just realized he's new
Aug 16th 2011
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                Yea someone above mentioned So Far Gone too...
Aug 16th 2011
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                I'm REAAAALLY hearing it though, musically and rap wise
Aug 16th 2011
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                     40's production style
Aug 17th 2011
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                     RE: 40's production style
Aug 21st 2011
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                     Def can agree with that.
Aug 17th 2011
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                     But don't you think emo-ness has been in rap before him?
Aug 17th 2011
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                          I guess I don't count 808's as a Rap album as much, but yeah he
Aug 17th 2011
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                               Agreed on the out-emo-ing & being bigger than some of his predecessors
Aug 17th 2011
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                RE: Yep, I just realized he's new
Aug 16th 2011
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                I think 808s and Heartbreak more so than So Far Gone
Aug 17th 2011
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                So far gone was much bigger, and single handedly made him a star
Aug 17th 2011
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                     Well said.
Aug 17th 2011
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                I agree
Aug 17th 2011
49
TM101 and So Far Gone.....
Aug 16th 2011
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The Listening/Connected
Aug 16th 2011
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RE: The Listening/Connected
Aug 16th 2011
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-__________________-
Aug 17th 2011
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yep!
Aug 17th 2011
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Damn, I want another Listening...
Aug 17th 2011
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you mean up north UGK/DF and niggaz down south been singing
Aug 17th 2011
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agreed but for different reasons
Aug 17th 2011
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      RE: agreed but for different reasons
Aug 17th 2011
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Blueprint, TM101
Aug 16th 2011
11
808s and Heartbreaks and TM 101
Aug 16th 2011
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agree on 808s
Aug 16th 2011
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808s and heartbreaks changed nothing
Aug 16th 2011
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no 808 NO so far gone.;....you remember at first
Aug 17th 2011
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      see post #38
Aug 17th 2011
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808's didnt change anything
Aug 17th 2011
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808s and Heartbreaks is the best example
Aug 17th 2011
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Haha, no it's not.
Aug 17th 2011
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      back in 08? this started the over-doing autotune craze
Aug 17th 2011
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           It didn't "start" it, tho
Aug 17th 2011
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           RE: It didn't "start" it, tho
Aug 17th 2011
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           But "Autotune" was used almost only for club tracks until then
Aug 17th 2011
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           well i guess he perfected it from a rapper standpoint
Aug 17th 2011
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                How is a mostly hated album considered "perfected"?
Aug 17th 2011
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                     looking back, do people still hate it?
Aug 17th 2011
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                          Yea, it sold.
Aug 17th 2011
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           Nope, autotune was already outta control by that time. n/m
Aug 17th 2011
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           no it didnt
Aug 17th 2011
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yea, i felt 808s was the precursor to So Far Gone... HATED it tho
Aug 17th 2011
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      RE: yea, i felt 808s was the precursor to So Far Gone... HATED it tho
Aug 19th 2011
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           Right, but like CinisterCee said in post #160...
Aug 19th 2011
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This Danny Brown XXX jawn is changing shit for me
Aug 16th 2011
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The Last Game-Changing Album Wasn't A Rap Album To Me
Aug 16th 2011
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RE: The Last Game-Changing Album Wasn't A Rap Album To Me
Aug 17th 2011
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kinda, its been11 years since supreme clientele
Aug 16th 2011
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yup... i'm inclined to agree w/ this..
Aug 17th 2011
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The game aint't been the same since Graduation & TM101
Aug 16th 2011
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RE: The game aint't been the same since Graduation & TM101
Aug 16th 2011
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Blueprint, Late Reg
Aug 17th 2011
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wtt will change the game
Aug 17th 2011
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LOL
Aug 17th 2011
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Not any funnier than the dumb fucks saying mdtf or 808's
Aug 17th 2011
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Oh god thank you.
Aug 17th 2011
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      Not saying it changed it for the better but Drake definitely
Aug 17th 2011
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           Yea I dunno.
Aug 17th 2011
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           What do you mean not giving enough credit, he didn't come from
Aug 17th 2011
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           influencing drake isnt changing the game though
Aug 17th 2011
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watch. in 6 months time.
Aug 17th 2011
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      Well, whatever...we'll reconvene in 6 months to figure that out...
Aug 17th 2011
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           i don't feel the way u do or see the lp in that light like you
Aug 17th 2011
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                You didn't really hear my question though.
Aug 17th 2011
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                i don't feel the way u do or see the lp in that light like you
Aug 17th 2011
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                     What cohesive sound does this album have?
Aug 17th 2011
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                     i never took same soundin' beats as meanin' cohesive
Aug 17th 2011
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                          I see it all.
Aug 17th 2011
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                               i don't feel the way u do or see the lp in that light like you
Aug 17th 2011
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                                    Haha - as usual, the condescension isn't necessary.
Aug 17th 2011
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                                         don't see where i condescended, but okay
Aug 17th 2011
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                     all thats already been done
Aug 17th 2011
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                          yeah, by jay-z and it'll continue to get done, and niggas will
Aug 17th 2011
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                RE: i don't feel the way u do or see the lp in that light like you
Aug 18th 2011
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RE: wtt will change the game
Aug 17th 2011
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      curiosity killed the cat
Aug 17th 2011
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College Dropout, Food & Liquor, TM101
Aug 17th 2011
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I like this
Aug 17th 2011
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^killed it on the analysis tip - even gave examples!
Aug 17th 2011
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lol @ 'trap-demonic'
Aug 17th 2011
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Late Registration
Aug 17th 2011
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So wait The Blueprint didn't start that now?
Aug 17th 2011
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      RE: So wait The Blueprint didn't start that now?
Aug 17th 2011
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i think MBDTF has a real shot to be a game changer...
Aug 17th 2011
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College Drop out or Graduation
Aug 17th 2011
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I'd say Graduation since so much now sounds Euro influenced
Aug 17th 2011
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Kanye is owning this thread...kind of amazing when you think about it
Aug 17th 2011
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RE: Kanye is owning this thread...kind of amazing when you think about i...
Aug 17th 2011
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basically. kanye leading the pack.
Aug 17th 2011
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      ^Agreed, and in my eyes not surprised.
Aug 17th 2011
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50's summer 2002 mixtapes had a bigger longer lasting impact
Aug 17th 2011
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^another killer example
Aug 17th 2011
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good one
Aug 17th 2011
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It's also unfortunate that people are still trying to make songs over
Aug 17th 2011
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RE: good one
Aug 21st 2011
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This reply is the only answer worth arguing
Aug 17th 2011
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Surprised no one said Speakerboxxx/The Love Below, yet
Aug 17th 2011
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Post 33
Aug 17th 2011
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only thing that changed was their pattern of fun listening albums
Aug 17th 2011
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You know as great as Andre 3000 is I don't really see him as influential...
Aug 17th 2011
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You don't see his influence in Kanye, Common, Pharrell, Big KRIT
Aug 17th 2011
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      Not so much. But it may be that I think so highly of Andre
Aug 18th 2011
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TLB -> Pharell's Frontin -> 808 -> Kid Cudi/Drizzy
Aug 17th 2011
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      Yeah, and throw that Gnarls (Cee-Lo) like you said...
Aug 17th 2011
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      ^Howard zinn'd this post
Aug 18th 2011
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808's had jack squat to do with Drake being successful
Aug 17th 2011
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So those ppl don't listen to Kanye now? News to me
Aug 17th 2011
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So just because it's discussed proves it had a huge impact?
Aug 17th 2011
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Well I gave more points above but I think in today's ADD culture
Aug 17th 2011
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      Word. Impact can be positive or negative, I neglected that fact.
Aug 17th 2011
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Just pointing this out, alot of Wayne's fanbase DONT like Kanye believe
Aug 17th 2011
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I don't believe that for a second, mainstream fans will like both
Aug 17th 2011
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      and of the two.....Drake has inherited both fanbases
Aug 17th 2011
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           Sorry dude but all pretty much have an overlapping fanbase
Aug 17th 2011
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                You not hearing what im saying....there are close minded people
Aug 17th 2011
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                     not so much anymore
Aug 17th 2011
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                     if Ye offends a listeners 'hood' sensibilities,Drake surely does as well
Aug 18th 2011
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being horrendous isnt exactly an impact
Aug 17th 2011
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      Right.
Aug 18th 2011
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Drake made so far gone cause of 808 it was a tribute
Aug 18th 2011
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      ^does not mean 808s changed the game
Aug 18th 2011
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Kinda weird that yall dont see Food & Liquor as being significant.
Aug 17th 2011
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kinda thought College Dropout actually started all of that..
Aug 17th 2011
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of ourse there was a "sound" to F&L....urban, soulful music
Aug 17th 2011
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actually, now that I think of it... it is closer to Lupe than it is Kany...
Aug 17th 2011
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"Graduation" sent (most) hardcore shit to the bench
Aug 17th 2011
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That 50 vs. Kanye album thing...
Aug 17th 2011
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RE: That 50 vs. Kanye album thing...
Aug 17th 2011
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i'm wondering how much of it was the 50 thing and how much
Aug 17th 2011
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      Word. All well said.
Aug 18th 2011
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      Great post
Aug 19th 2011
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      great post... I've felt exactly the same about Kanye
Aug 19th 2011
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RE: "Graduation" sent (most) hardcore shit to the bench
Aug 17th 2011
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t-pain's "rappa turnt singa."
Aug 17th 2011
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RE: Has there been a "GAME CHANGING LP" in the Last 5-10 years...
Aug 17th 2011
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RE: Has there been a "GAME CHANGING LP" in the Last 5-10 years...
Aug 17th 2011
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Teflon Don
Aug 17th 2011
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No.
Aug 18th 2011
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Burial's first LP, arguably spawned a whole genre.
Aug 17th 2011
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There's a strong theme in this post - Kanye
Aug 17th 2011
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RE: There's a strong theme in this post - Kanye
Aug 18th 2011
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you can't just list his album titles +expect people to ''see'' the point
Aug 19th 2011
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      Well (and this is from my perspective)
Aug 19th 2011
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Donuts
Aug 18th 2011
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Cmon.
Aug 18th 2011
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There'd be no flying lotus...
Aug 18th 2011
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.....................
Aug 18th 2011
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if if there were no flying lotus hip hip would be....
Aug 18th 2011
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      That's exactly what my extended ellipsis above was saying.
Aug 18th 2011
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cmon man....that album basically inspired a generation
Aug 18th 2011
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      I dunno...I was considering "changing the game"...
Aug 18th 2011
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Hugely influential for the Brainfeeder scene
Aug 18th 2011
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In a way...
Aug 19th 2011
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easy...donuts
Aug 18th 2011
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No.
Aug 18th 2011
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No and I don't agree with any of the ones mentioned n/m
Aug 18th 2011
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it's cute that ya'll think Listening and Donuts are influential.
Aug 18th 2011
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yeah i love donuts and really like listening (prefer minstrel show)
Aug 18th 2011
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RE: it's cute that ya'll think Listening and Donuts are influential.
Aug 19th 2011
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You guys can't agree on 808s vs So Far Gone because
Aug 18th 2011
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Odd future?
Aug 19th 2011
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Naw.
Aug 19th 2011
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      RE: Naw.
Aug 20th 2011
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1. "What does "game changing" mean..."
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if you're not talking about sales OR cultural impact? Cultural impact would be the very definition of "game changing" IMO.

Anyway, for 10 years, yes, The Blueprint was very game-changing.

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3. "RE: What does "game changing" mean..."
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"Cultural Impact" is what I was talking about. That's why I said like the Chronic or 36 Chambers

  

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6. "Oh shit ... my bad man."
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I read the last line in your post to say "I'm not really talking about record sales OR cultural impact" rather than "BUT cultural impact".

Sorry about that.

So yea. My answer is The Blueprint.

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22. "RE: Oh shit ... my bad man."
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lol..its all good my G

  

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5. "So Far Gone"
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pushed the free album/"mixtape" credibility through the roof...artistically people are jocking that whole style..pretty much a game changer...

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16. "yep"
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23. "RE: So Far Gone"
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good perspective...I didnt look at it that way but So Far Gone has artist putting more concentration in mixtapes and starting a following...no doubt...i feel your angle

  

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2. "Nope. You didn't get the memo? Hip Hop has sucked since 96-98."
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4. "RE: Nope. You didn't get the memo? Hip Hop has sucked since 96-98."
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So, your saying 1998 was the last great year of Hip Hop? That could be true as as whole but that doesnt mean a game changing LP hasn't dropped since then. Maybe like The Blueprint or even one of Kanye Albums...maybe

  

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7. "Haha - you haven't been around long enough to know..."
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he's just making fun of a group of Lessonheads that won't give any artists or music past that 96-98 time period any credit no matter what.

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9. "Yep, I just realized he's new"
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I mean...a lot of times, impact can't be seen til later. I'll EASILY say "So far gone" but many folks here won't wanna agree/believe it

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12. "Yea someone above mentioned So Far Gone too..."
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but I have a hard time giving that kind of credit to any mixtape, but can't front on how impactful that particular one has been.

Plus, I have trouble giving Drake any sort of credit ever for anything haha.

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20. "I'm REAAAALLY hearing it though, musically and rap wise"
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Even if you don't credit him for the #hashtag style, his whole emo-ness rubbed off on a lotta folks...and his production style DEF influenced a lot of people to make 1-2 "Drake sounding songs" lately, that whole empty type of ambiance and no melody style.

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28. "40's production style"
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I do agree with you on the impact though. I also think Rick Ross last
joint has had alotta impact especially with BMF.

  

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173. "RE: 40's production style"
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that is true...Rick Ross Teflon Don might not be a game changer but the LP as some influence on LP's released after it...

  

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37. "Def can agree with that."
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#hashtag rap being one of the most atrocious things ever to enter the world of hiphop, but you're right that Drake brought it to the forefront.

I'd almost rather have autotune back.

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54. "But don't you think emo-ness has been in rap before him?"
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I mean depending on what defines emo you can hear in ppl like Cunninlynguists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRinFMih7iw and Little Brother http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXv2exiuGjM , I know Drake's said he's influenced by Phonte and wouldn't be surprised if he listened to Cunninlynguists as well. On a mainstream level Kanye's 808s era and Kid Cudi definitely brought a lot.

  

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84. "I guess I don't count 808's as a Rap album as much, but yeah he"
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was influenced by Cudi, Ye, and Phonte. He became muuuuch bigger than Cudi and Te, and out Emo'd Yeo n that tip LOL

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111. "Agreed on the out-emo-ing & being bigger than some of his predecessors "
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808s isn't a rap album but at the same time it is since it had everyone in hip hop talking about it.

  

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24. "RE: Yep, I just realized he's new"
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yeah I'm new back on his my dude...was on here like 8 years ago for a short period...there are some good music heads and in my mid 30's, I need to be in good convo in regard to a culture i love...but I'm open to new artist even though I grew up in 80's and 90's..I'm not stuck in my ways...

  

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47. "I think 808s and Heartbreak more so than So Far Gone"
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if we're gonna get technical since it came first.

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85. "So far gone was much bigger, and single handedly made him a star"
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808's was an album that people listened to ONLY because it was Kanye's...and even a lot of his fans didn't take it serious. It did have an influence on SFG for sure, but it was more like the pitch that Drake knocked out the park, or the alleyoop...without Drake making his album, the game wouldn't have been on that same sound...but without 808's, Drake might not have been on that sound either.

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88. "Well said."
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49. "I agree "
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No other rapper has came thru and single handedly softened the fuck out of the game like he did

  

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8. "TM101 and So Far Gone....."
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Both albums have been mimicked by other artists. A lot of the beats coming out of the south after TM101 have a similar sound and pretty much every rapper jacked Drake's hashtag rap shit after So Far Gone.
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10. "The Listening/Connected"
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It wasnt cool to sing on hooks before The Listening unless you were on some Boyz II Men/LL Cool J "Hey Lover" or Total/LL Cool J "Loungin" shit. and even Hey Lover was a Michael Jackson sample and Loungin was Bernard Wright. Juicy by Biggie was Mtume, so singing on rap hooks in the 90's was mostly already familiar melodies and Nate Dogg with Death Row but he was an anomaly. Bone Thugs may as well have been singers who rapped, but The Listening was Hip-Hop shit with sung hooks that werent just about women. Plus it practically invented the concept of buzz being built from the internet's word of mouth


Connected changed the game to where collaborative efforts no longer had to be done together in the studio

  

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25. "RE: The Listening/Connected"
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Though I love both of those LP's and 9th is someone I personally know very well....they didnt have cultural impacts and I'm born and raised here in North Carolina...Ja Rule (and DMX before him actually)actually made it cool to sing on hooks but he was clowned by 50 Cent who took over rap in 03 and then he turned around and did the same thing..after that Kanye, Drake, Wayne..and so on...Hell, most people here in North Carolina unless your were a Hip Hop Head didnt and dont know who Little Brother, Foreign Exchange and even 9th Wonder are. More people know 9th now and especially back home. Cultural impact is something totally different fam...just my humble opinion though

  

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35. "yep!"
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underground hip hop changed for the better once those albums cameo out. plus they spawned a whole heap of dope mc's.

  

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36. "Damn, I want another Listening..."
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:-/

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65. "you mean up north UGK/DF and niggaz down south been singing"
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on hooks for years before the listening.

they def took that southern part of them an interject it with east coast type beats alot of personality tho.

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98. "agreed but for different reasons"
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the listening was one of the first "internet" albums. nigga's in a room recording with (probably pirated) software. first they laughed at fruity loops now everyone has sold their mpcs (for better or for worse that's up to the individual to decide). especially when at the time it was all about how people like dilla (RIP) dj shadow had the craziest beatmaking process, so this guy sitting in NC using his mouse just wasnt acceptable. funny how things changed.

I for one didnt know making an album outside of a studio was possible back then. if the internet was a town, consider the listening the album that put that town on the map for hip hop. (watch that get taken out of context) I think most of the people that cant respect that simply were too close to it happening. its like if you were in the entourage while fantastic vol 1 was recorded and now youre in the d like "them niggas aint nobody"

they clearly did something impactful as LB but most wont acknowledge it *shrug* doesnt change things





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120. "RE: agreed but for different reasons"
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Great points. I do feel The Listening made a nice mark on quote on quote "underground" hip hop (if there is such a thing) but they still stayed under the radar a lot..even right here in NC where I am..

  

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11. "Blueprint, TM101"
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13. "808s and Heartbreaks and TM 101"
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15. "agree on 808s"
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18. "808s and heartbreaks changed nothing"
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66. "no 808 NO so far gone.;....you remember at first"
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So far gone was DRake just fooling around supposly and him doing an 808 style "mixtape"

he was saying how his "album" wasn't going to sound like that but he just wanted to get this off his chest or whatever and it'll be more of his shit like "Friends with money"

then when So far gone blew the fuck up he was liek "well we going to continue with that sound" lol

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125. "see post #38"
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30. "808's didnt change anything"
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ppl didnt like it enough to "mimic" it

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34. "808s and Heartbreaks is the best example"
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go back and listen to that, cmon. that shit is basically exactly what we're hearing on the radio now.

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38. "Haha, no it's not."
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>go back and listen to that, cmon. that shit is basically
>exactly what we're hearing on the radio now.

It was what we were hearing ad nauseum as the time (autotune) and Kanye rode the wave.

808s pissed a bunch of people off but changed nothing.

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40. "back in 08? this started the over-doing autotune craze"
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it introduced Cudi to a lot of people and allowed "emotional" rap to go mainstream. It was hated on at the time (certified platinum btw) because it was a sound no one was used to. If Wayne put out that Nightmares track tomorrow with a new verse and a Ross feature shit would be a hit. Same goes for a lot of the other songs on 808s

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41. "It didn't "start" it, tho"
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Yea, it made the problem even worse than it already was, but by the time 808s dropped in December 2008, autotune was all over the radio already.

I remember when it dropped I was like "aw fuck, even Kanye's hopping on the trend?" cause he wasn't known for jumping on bandwagons. Disappointing.

Regardless, 808s didn't change anything. Just made a growing problem worse.

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42. "RE: It didn't "start" it, tho"
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808's changed EVERYTHING..

without 808's Drake & 40 don't have a blueprint..

Therefore there is no So Far Gone and that ALSO changed the game..

It also created a lane for cudi to smash through.... and once that happened the new crop of singy rap rappers could thrive.. cudi, wiz, b.o.b etc....

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59. "But "Autotune" was used almost only for club tracks until then"
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Kanye changed it to an emotion-less voice to do really emo songs

  

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89. "well i guess he perfected it from a rapper standpoint"
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and like double-o said above, it was what Drake and 40 built from, for some reason So Far Gone was more accepted so that also helped change the game.

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93. "How is a mostly hated album considered "perfected"?"
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If anything, I'd say Drake's So Far Gone changed the game (even though it was influenced by 808s) because EVERYONE started doing that BS afterward. But SFG was a year later than 808s.

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109. "looking back, do people still hate it?"
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I've been a supporter since it came out and I was pretty sure ppl "hated" it because it sounded nothing like Kanye's previous work. Even when we all knew it was gonna sound different from the one VMA performance, people were still expecting a Graduation-type record.

In all fairness, the album still went platinum and Heartless ended up being one of the best selling records ever @ 5.5 million copies. And would people really wanna hear black guys talk-rap with auto-tune if it wasn't for this?

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121. "Yea, it sold."
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But I feel like most people that loved it were not your typical "hiphop fans", which is whatever, I don't care who he wants to sell to. But if we're talking strictly hiphop, I'm keeping my discussions about the thoughts of most hiphop fans.

And in my experience, most hiphop fans who had loved Kanye before, hated this album.

But you're right, it certainly sold.

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71. "Nope, autotune was already outta control by that time. n/m"
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126. "no it didnt"
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it was already being overdone and kanye hopped on the trend.

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43. "yea, i felt 808s was the precursor to So Far Gone... HATED it tho"
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obviously, no one mimicked it note for note, but the soundscape was def. an influence to later hip hop projects

  

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166. "RE: yea, i felt 808s was the precursor to So Far Gone... HATED it tho"
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40 even admitted that when he was in the studio for the first time with Ye.. that he chastised chastised him for biting 808's production..

to me 808's took the heat.. then Man On The Moon and SFG built off that and made something people could "get"

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169. "Right, but like CinisterCee said in post #160..."
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just because an album was an influence to an album that changed the game doesn't necessarily mean that the influential album was the "game changer".

SFG had a much bigger impact overall.

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14. "This Danny Brown XXX jawn is changing shit for me"
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17. "The Last Game-Changing Album Wasn't A Rap Album To Me"
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It's been a few game-changing artists & albums that came out the past ten years such as Flo-Rida, Slum Village, Sharon Jones, Coldplay, Dave Guetta, but in the past five years it's only been two that I can notice and neither of them have been hip-hop albums.

One is Flying Lotus "1983" and the other is Toro Y Moi "Causers Of This", those two artists kind of ushered in a new style that many artists are trying to be off-shoots of somewhere in their music.


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118. "RE: The Last Game-Changing Album Wasn't A Rap Album To Me"
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Slum Village changed the game in the last 10 years? Dilla maybe changed it with his production that started with tribe right into the early 2000's but Changed the Game in terms of Slum Village..what LP? There best LP (though classic material)didnt change the game to me but thats just my opinion..

  

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19. "kinda, its been11 years since supreme clientele"
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which is the single biggest game changer of the decade by a landslide

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44. "yup... i'm inclined to agree w/ this.. "
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21. "The game aint't been the same since Graduation & TM101"
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There's others that could be on this list too...through the OP kinda sounds like this was a thread to hate on this recent decade.

Also gotta throw in the Best Of Both Worlds...cause all these collab albums weren't dropping before it. Damn, I wish they hadn't made that LP with only the Trackmasters...

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26. "RE: The game aint't been the same since Graduation & TM101"
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Yeah...I say early decade Blueprint 3 and then Graduation and TM101 followed by So Far Gone...that would be my guess.

  

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27. "Blueprint, Late Reg"
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29. "wtt will change the game"
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48. "Not any funnier than the dumb fucks saying mdtf or 808's"
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51. "Oh god thank you."
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I thought I was alone in that crusade. 808s changed the game hahahahaha.

I mean, I stopped responding cause the cases were so ridiculous.

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55. "Not saying it changed it for the better but Drake definitely"
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wouldn't be here or as big without 808s. I don't know how you can't see it's influence

  

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67. "Yea I dunno."
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Maybe it's cause I listened to 808s once and trashed it, I don't recognize it as such. But I've heard enough of it 2nd hand (in other people's cribs and whips and shit) to feel like I know it well enough to feel like this isn't true. And maybe I'm just in denial cause I hate it.

I mean ... 808s was all autotune. And while Drake started off using it, he didn't really encompass the overall depressing sound of 808s. His sound is more the sing-songy happy go lucky half rap shit that HE has made popular. I think saying that 808s paved a way for Drake isn't giving Drake enough credit (even though I hate his music, too, I give credit where it's due as people have been biting his shit for a solid 2 years).

So yea I dunno. Agree to disagree I guess.

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72. "What do you mean not giving enough credit, he didn't come from "
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a black hole. Everyone has artists that influence them or they try to learn from. I mean by saying that without Rakim you wouldn't have Nas doesn't take anything away from him, just means one learned from another. Drake is obviously influenced by Kanye, that's not to say he didn't put his own twist and such on it but it's there.

  

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127. "influencing drake isnt changing the game though"
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63. "watch. in 6 months time. "
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68. "Well, whatever...we'll reconvene in 6 months to figure that out..."
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but serious question, not trying to snark here: what exactly will this album change the game to? It's two superstar rappers rapping mediocre to poor lyrics over mediocre to poor experimental sounding beats.

What direction will this take hiphop in?

And regarding the above, this is all said by a person who was actually pleasantly surprised by this album. I had zero expectations for it, expecting the entire album to be full of Louis V bullshit and terrible "epic" beats. Instead, I was treated to an album with a wide variety of content spinkled amongst the bragging, with at least some attempts at experimenting with the beats.

That doesn't mean it was perfect, but I was certainly impressed.

But again, I don't see how this album "changes" anything. It doesn't have any cohesive sound at all, the sequencing is awful, and the attempts at new "flows" especially by JayZ are awful and laughable.

So really ... what does this do to the game? What's this mean the next step for the rest of hiphop?

I just can't see it.

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69. "i don't feel the way u do or see the lp in that light like you"
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everything jay does, rappers copy
he did this
rappers will soon follow

he's an innovator
people will bite that otis and run with it
they will emulate those beats on the lp

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80. "You didn't really hear my question though."
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What's the exact SOUND that this album will open up for the rest of hiphop to emulate? Otis isn't exactly a fresh new concept. It's a sample of a soul singer's vocals looped over and over and over and over and over again, which has been done a trillion times. That ain't nothing "new", therefore it ain't nothing that would be considered "copied". If anything, Otis IS the copy of past beats done exactly that way (many of them done by Kanye himself).

And while I agree that Jay has set some trends throughout his career, he's too old now and hasn't done anything fresh in a minute. What trends exactly did BP3 set? None. This album won't either, especially since it doesn't even have a cohesive SOUND which can be emulated.

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81. "i don't feel the way u do or see the lp in that light like you"
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sounds cohesive enough to me.
don't know what you're listenin' to
you'll hear more beats like otis
subtle looped shit
without conventional "Drums" that'll rock
you'll hear experimental beats and niggas
tryin' to talk that rich nigga international shit
just watch

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83. "What cohesive sound does this album have? "
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Honest question.

None of these beats sound similar at all, or cohesive, to me. But I'd love it explained to me if I'm missing something.

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92. "i never took same soundin' beats as meanin' cohesive"
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cohesive means it follows a theme
the music doesn't have to all sound alike
that would be boring
if you had an lp of the same sounding beats
that's the mistake these underground backpackers
make
but i digress
the lp follows a theme
the theme is ƒrom inauspicious beginnings
to unfathomable nows
to excelling and not bein' apologetic for it
for not being entirely different, and not
lettin' tragedy or shortcomings stop one from reaching
and striving and maintaining
do you listen to the lyrics?
do you hear the pain they went through?
the self doubts?
the hurdles?

i don't know why you don't see it
the emperors have on clothes

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94. "I see it all."
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I already said, I was impressed by the content on the album.

But that said, it's nothing groundbreaking. People have been using music as a form of introspection since 1000BC bro. This isn't ground breaking, game changing shit.

So the only thing left to change the game would be the music. I didn't say the beats had to be the exact same, I just meant that to form a cohesive sound they should follow some sort of common soundscape, and they don't, at all. That's what made your boy Jay's album Blueprint as amazing as it was: the soundscape was cohesive throughout. The beats weren't the same, but the flow and sequencing and SOUND of them followed a similar wavelength.

Doesn't make them bad beats, just makes it an album that doesn't have one cohesive sound that makes it whole.

Therefore, it would be hard for it to "change the game" unless you're referring to just one song that will change the game.

Or, you could be saying that this could begin a trend of powerhouse artists coming together to create music, but that's also not at all ground-breaking.

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101. "i don't feel the way u do or see the lp in that light like you"
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it's a very cohesive theme in the music
don't know what it is you're lookin' for
all the beats flow into the next ones perfectly
subject matter flows, performances flow

they're rappin' about grown black man wealthy shit
a voice for the people
more rappers will be tryin' even harder
to emulate this than before
because they show that it works
these are superstars collaboratin' for a whole lp
that's not done alot in rap music
again, if you don't see it, you just don't
it's for everybody, but everybody ain't for it
*shrugs*

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122. "Haha - as usual, the condescension isn't necessary."
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We can just agree to disagree, can't we?

We'll reconvene in 6 months bruh.

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123. "don't see where i condescended, but okay"
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6 months it is

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128. "all thats already been done"
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135. "yeah, by jay-z and it'll continue to get done, and niggas will"
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continue to copy and redo what he's done
it still changes the game
cuz people latch on to what he's doin'
and try to emulate it

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148. "RE: i don't feel the way u do or see the lp in that light like you"
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"everything jay does, rappers copy"....I agree with that statement 100% ....people dont like to admit that but its true...no doubt

  

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108. "RE: wtt will change the game"
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Why do you feel WTT will change the game? I'm just curious.

  

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114. "curiosity killed the cat"
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31. "College Dropout, Food & Liquor, TM101"
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College Dropout - gave hip-hop a interesting new lane for more creative styles and more expressive artists

Food & Liquor - though it can be seen under College Dropouts "umbrella", it did create this whole new movement & open the door to all these new hipster, backpack, emo rappers you see today...like it gave rappers who wasnt super thugs the spark to rap

TM101 - do we really have to discuss this? EVERYTHING you hear now from soulja boy, waka, rick ross, to every other rapper who "adlibs" and has that trap-demonic sound is all a product of what Jeezy popularized

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57. "I like this"
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>TM101 - do we really have to discuss this? EVERYTHING you hear
>now from soulja boy, waka, rick ross, to every other rapper
>who "adlibs" and has that trap-demonic sound is all a product
>of what Jeezy popularized

  

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73. "^killed it on the analysis tip - even gave examples!"
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>TM101 - do we really have to discuss this? EVERYTHING you hear
>now from soulja boy, waka, rick ross, to every other rapper
>who "adlibs" and has that trap-demonic sound is all a product
>of what Jeezy popularized


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87. "lol @ 'trap-demonic'"
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I've never heard it described like that, but that's exactly what it is

possibly the most influential record this side of the Blueprint

  

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33. "Late Registration "
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Everything hip hop and everthing else went into an electric, pop beat sound after that album.

Doom-Madvilliany.....Niggas bit the theme and production.


Dipset-Diplomatic Immunity ..Everybody wanted that just blaze/kanye sound after that album

Donuts- Dilla ...


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56. "So wait The Blueprint didn't start that now?"
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>Dipset-Diplomatic Immunity ..Everybody wanted that just
>blaze/kanye sound after that album

  

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107. "RE: So wait The Blueprint didn't start that now?"
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Yep, Blueprint did have a huge impact on the last decade. That cant be denied. Even though Ghostface Supreme C. might be a better LP, Blueprint /Kanye shifted the music in my eyes

  

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45. "i think MBDTF has a real shot to be a game changer... "
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it's obviously too early to say tho..

  

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46. "College Drop out or Graduation"
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You could pick either album as the moment that "gangster rap" died, College Drop out because it was Kanye's first LP or Graduation because that's when Kanye and 50 Cent went head up and Kanye won (or was that Late Registration). The point is, Kanye has represented the biggest shift in Hip-hop which paved the way for the Drakes, Lil' Wayne, Kudi, Wale, BOB, Kalifa and other rappers who you were pretty sure you could beat up in a fight.

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52. "I'd say Graduation since so much now sounds Euro influenced"
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and it's mostly due to that album. I mean Justin Timberlake had a euro sound on his album the year before but that was pop/rn'b, Kanye brought it full-force to pop/hip-hop. College Dropout change things sure, but I think that was more how rappers presented themself than the music its self. Not too many songs on the radio tried to be as personal as "All Falls Down" or "Jesus Walks", and the whole soul beat era/movement/fad (Whatever you wanna call it) kinda died off not long after that.

  

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50. "Kanye is owning this thread...kind of amazing when you think about it"
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The best cases could be made for College Dropout and 808s.

***Remember, you might not LIKE the change in the game...that doesn't mean it didn't change.

Its pretty clear 808s paved the way for Drake, Cudi, etc. And I don't even think that's a good thing...but it happened.

How many people have adopted the College Dropout formula though? Hell I'd argue this album is still having an impact (see KRIT)


I also think you could make a case for the Blueprint, which Ye had a hand in obviously.


And, like it or not, MBDTF is probably going to be a changer. You can already hear the impact on albums like CLs new one this year...and I have no doubt it helped open the door for The Roots to make their next album with an orchestra.


I get that a lot of ya'll hate Ye...sometimes I hate dude...but to deny his impact on the game just comes off like pure 100% grade A DENIAL.


And I LOVE Little Brother and all things related...but they aren't game changers. Sorry.

And Danny Brown?? lol lol

  

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53. "RE: Kanye is owning this thread...kind of amazing when you think about i..."
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>I get that a lot of ya'll hate Ye...sometimes I hate
>dude...but to deny his impact on the game just comes off like
>pure 100% grade A DENIAL.

Basically. When people act like "Graduation" and (especially) 808s had NO influence, I can only imagine it's because they disliked the album and are trying to ignore all the stuff that has come out afterward that was clearly influenced by it. Somebody said that 808s couldn't have any influence of its own because it was nothing but another "overuse of autotune" album... c'mon man, use your ears.

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78. "basically. kanye leading the pack."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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132. "^Agreed, and in my eyes not surprised."
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58. "50's summer 2002 mixtapes had a bigger longer lasting impact "
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on the game than most if not all of these albums being named. Kind of unfortunate, but true.
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74. "^another killer example"
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I wonder how much SQAD influenced 50

  

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91. "good one"
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and its only unfortunate because so many rappers burned themselves out on their mixtape runs, trying to emulate 50's formula


  

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96. "It's also unfortunate that people are still trying to make songs over"
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>and its only unfortunate because so many rappers burned
>themselves out on their mixtape runs, trying to emulate 50's
>formula
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>
>

beats from commercially available songs.

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174. "RE: good one"
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Yep, MC's now are putting their best work on mixtapes and albums suck..

  

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It gets my vote.

  

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60. "Surprised no one said Speakerboxxx/The Love Below, yet"
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...or maybe not, lol.

I do agree that the Kanye/Drake LPs are probably the most recent, like it or not (i don't).

Although I think Stankonia was a bigger game changer, SB/TLB seemed to divide more people into lovers/haters yet moved so many units.

  

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61. "Post 33"
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62. "only thing that changed was their pattern of fun listening albums"
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64. "You know as great as Andre 3000 is I don't really see him as influential..."
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Meaning I don't see a lot of rappers who clearly had an Andre 3000 influence. I don't think its a knock of him, I think it just because dude is such a one of a kind, I don't think cats would even try to get away with copying his steez.

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100. "You don't see his influence in Kanye, Common, Pharrell, Big KRIT"
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Not a rapper but Janelle Monae as well.

  

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140. "Not so much. But it may be that I think so highly of Andre"
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to think these dudes aren't even approaching him. Maybe Cee-lo & Jane Monae, because they are the only folks besides 3000 who are just "out there".

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75. "TLB -> Pharell's Frontin -> 808 -> Kid Cudi/Drizzy"
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I don't know if Cee Lo Green by himself would have that impact.

  

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79. "Yeah, and throw that Gnarls (Cee-Lo) like you said..."
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139. "^Howard zinn'd this post "
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its like people are conveniently forgetting TLB/Pharrel and giving the credit to Kanye ... wtf happened to this place

  

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70. "808's had jack squat to do with Drake being successful"
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Half of Drake's fanbase didnt care about "808's and heartbreak"...his fans comprise of Texas, Lil Wayne, Nicki Minaj & that Trey Songz demographic

yall giving 808's way too much credit like it was an "important" album

course Kanye fans like him...but 808's wasnt game changing nor did it create a "new sound"

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76. "So those ppl don't listen to Kanye now? News to me"
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>Half of Drake's fanbase didnt care about "808's and
>heartbreak"...his fans comprise of Texas, Lil Wayne, Nicki
>Minaj & that Trey Songz demographic

>yall giving 808's way too much credit like it was an
>"important" album

It was a pivotal album in terms of one of the most commercial rappers at the time fully embracing it. I think the fact that the album was so discussed then (And still is, check any review for Kanye's last 2 albums) proves it had a huge impact.

>course Kanye fans like him...but 808's wasnt game changing nor
>did it create a "new sound"

I'm pretty sure most ppl on here are saying that despite them not liking the album or the trend it created it's influence is there. Not "Kanye is so amazing and talented that every release he does changes the game."

  

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82. "So just because it's discussed proves it had a huge impact?"
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>I think the fact that
>the album was so discussed then (And still is, check any
>review for Kanye's last 2 albums) proves it had a huge
>impact.

That's weak logic. Most of what I've seen of 808s discussion has been hatred for it. That wouldn't = impact on the game automatically.

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97. "Well I gave more points above but I think in today's ADD culture"
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talking about an album more than a month does prove some kind of impact, so discussions this much later proves something imo

  

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99. "Word. Impact can be positive or negative, I neglected that fact."
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86. "Just pointing this out, alot of Wayne's fanbase DONT like Kanye believe"
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it or not. Wayne has a very "hood" fan-base. i know a lot of ppl who dont fuck with Kanye cause they think he's "too" soft...now granted, Drake's fan-base is shared by most of those rappers I mentioned, so he's like the median...but 808's still isnt a game changer like yall making it out to be....College Dropout was a "game changer"

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102. "I don't believe that for a second, mainstream fans will like both"
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and Lil Wayne may have a "hood" fanbase but that ain't most of his fanbase anymore, hasn't been since the Carter 3. Sorry if you wanna think there's a big difference between the 2 but I'm sure you'll find more ppl that like Kanye and not Weezy than the opposite.

  

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103. "and of the two.....Drake has inherited both fanbases "
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112. "Sorry dude but all pretty much have an overlapping fanbase"
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You do realize ppl listen to more than one artist right? One person can listen to Yeezy, Drizzy & Weezy, in fact they've worked together on many songs. Ppl who listen to the radio will most likely listen to all three.

  

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116. "You not hearing what im saying....there are close minded people"
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who don't like Kanye due to his style. so dont think he's the main "sound" everyone is going for...and yes, those "hood" people still are taken into account of fans of the music and the appeal.... and vice versa for Wayne.

and "the hood" is still a VERY big part of hip-hop...not saying its the only outlet...you just acting as if Kanye is influential everywhere...which he isnt

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130. "not so much anymore"
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>and "the hood" is still a VERY big part of hip-hop...


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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

  

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155. "if Ye offends a listeners 'hood' sensibilities,Drake surely does as well"
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and he's basically a part of Wayne's music nowadays anyway.

https://soundcloud.com/matt-koelling-666011203

www.somethinginthewudder.com

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https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

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129. "being horrendous isnt exactly an impact"
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and is usually the reason its discussed.

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150. "Right."
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141. "Drake made so far gone cause of 808 it was a tribute"
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he was jsut making a mixtape after that album...it wasn't until it sold that he stuck with that sound.....

if no 808 and no so far gone he would still be making Friends with money type songs.

http://twitter.com/Menphyel7


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160. "^does not mean 808s changed the game"
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a lot of things can inspire a game changing LP... doesn't mean the inspiration changed the game.

  

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77. "Kinda weird that yall dont see Food & Liquor as being significant."
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look at the whole hipster movement now...I would attribute most of that to Lupe....Kick,Push was kinda a big deal to hip-hop...yea you got the Pharrell's but he isnt really seen as stand alone artist....but after F&L dropped you had this whole surge of "new rappers". It even had Hov & other artists doing more "conceptual" & cinematic type records...the Wale's, Cudi's, Drake's, and even Wayne's poser "new style" or whatever he has going on, are all products of what F&L opened the door-way to on a mainstream scale

and I say this because he was one of THE first "nerdy" looking, left-field rappers to do it on a mainstream level and be accepted....and ppl liked that...and thats kinda what all you see now...5 years later

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104. "kinda thought College Dropout actually started all of that.. "
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that was kanye's image on that album (that's if we're not allowed to name Pharrell).. there wasn't even a *sound* to that album, it was kind of all over the place.. and Lupe didn't even continue that legacy

  

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105. "of ourse there was a "sound" to F&L....urban, soulful music"
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Ye started it but Lupe brought his vision to it and made it more creative...

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117. "actually, now that I think of it... it is closer to Lupe than it is Kany..."
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especially the "Kanye" of now

  

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90. ""Graduation" sent (most) hardcore shit to the bench"
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and I truly believe without that album at least half of the artists that debuted after it would sound different in one way or another..."cant tell me nothing" had a beat that nobody else in kanyes lane at the time wouldve used (his shit was mainly expensive boom bap up until this point) plus nobody was thinking about stadium beats like that. the whole "kind of eccentric black kid from the streets though" look/style didnt start with graduation (pharrell, lupe...shit, native tongues) but it catapulted for the latest generation because of graduation.

actually, it affected wayne and jay too. imo kanye was simply the most popular backpacker/"conscious" rapper before that album, til he did cant tell me nothin which set him apart more from kweli/mos/com etc and made the hood like him for REAL, not just because he had the popular single at the time. plus defeating the big bad wolf (50) was the craziest chess move probably EVER and im surprised 50 went through with that. at the time that shit was like, the equivalent to drake outselling the throne. not impossible but no one expected it to really happen.



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95. "That 50 vs. Kanye album thing..."
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was both the best and the worst thing that could've happened to Kanye, IMO. The worst because Graduation was his most cohesive album, but since then he's been on another level of pretentiousness and arrogance, and it shows in his music. And to me, MBDTF will never live up to what his first 3 albums did.

The best because it shot him to another level of superstardom, like you said, so for him PERSONALLY, it couldn't have worked out better.

But I think his music has suffered for it, though he's still had some amazing moments, I don't think anything he's done since has lived up to what his first 3 albums were.

And clearly, 50's career effectively ended after that battle. So it was only theworst thing that could've happened to him, haha.

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110. "RE: That 50 vs. Kanye album thing..."
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#BREW....I agree with you 100% on your assessments...my thoughts exactly

  

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136. "i'm wondering how much of it was the 50 thing and how much"
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was the shit happening in his personal life.. i def. see the same shift in kanye and he def. became a different artist altogether (not that i dislike either)... but this current ye seems more like a dude who's just straight up soulless.. and i don't mean that speaking for his music, but more for his on-record/public-eye persona.. part of me imagines that started w/ the death of his mother.. you've got the grieving/super daring stages on 808s (again, i have to mention how much i hate that album).. but then after that, starting w/ that track for dj khaled feat. t-pain (i think it was called 'go hard') and the lollipop remix, you started to see him distance himself from the 'everyman' he kind of related to in his first 3 albums.. it was like he was saying "fuck it, i'm a rock star, i lost the one restraint that i had in my life and i'm gonna do some shit rockstars do".. mbdtf was the aftermath, but he kept the feeling of "completely empty, soulless, lonely rock star at the top of the mountain, filling all of that emptiness w/ hedonistic/materialistic shit that his fame and fortune affords him"... honestly, i think he's a more *compelling* figure and artist because of it.. i know ppl are gonna disagree w/ me on that, but i don't see it as liking the change more or less.. it's more about him as an on-record character having more layers (and more dramatic layers) than before.. pair that persona up w/ the actual musical backdrops and that's why he's one of the best reviewed artists of his time.. he's MUCH less likable these days, but i'm def. digging that..

i say "character" and "persona", cuz i think that stuff is all pretty much an act, "based on a true story".. and i don't mind that.. this is entertainment

  

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138. "Word. All well said."
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>was the shit happening in his personal life.. i def. see the
>same shift in kanye and he def. became a different artist
>altogether (not that i dislike either)... but this current ye
>seems more like a dude who's just straight up soulless.. and i
>don't mean that speaking for his music, but more for his
>on-record/public-eye persona..

See I think it shows in his music, too, and that's the point I was making, but you bring up a good point overall. From his first three albums, there were songs (most of his songs, really), that actually made me FEEL something. I'd get (and still do, going back to some of these tracks) chills listening to those albums. Songs like Family Business, For Mama (my god), I Wonder, Touch the Sky even, etc...all made me feel something and take me back to the place I was when I first heard it. Nothing from the work he's done since has given me that feeling.

So I think his music has become soulless along with him. That's not to say that there haven't been good to great moments in his music, I like a lot of it, it just doesn't have that same FEELING that his first three albums had consistently. And it's too bad, IMO.

I realize a lot of people won't agree with that, but that's just how I see it.

>part of me imagines that
>started w/ the death of his mother.. you've got the
>grieving/super daring stages on 808s (again, i have to mention
>how much i hate that album).. but then after that, starting w/
>that track for dj khaled feat. t-pain (i think it was called
>'go hard') and the lollipop remix, you started to see him
>distance himself from the 'everyman' he kind of related to in
>his first 3 albums..

Definitely. I agree about it maybe having a lot to do with his mother, that's true. And that's the problem I guess I have with his recent music, is that he gave up on the "everyman" stuff. Obviously, he's NOT an everyman anymore, but you don't have to be to make music for them. If he balanced out his "epic" shit with more of his early "everyman" shit, it might move me more. But at the same time he's free to do what he wants, of course, it just isn't for me.

it was like he was saying "fuck it, i'm a
>rock star, i lost the one restraint that i had in my life and
>i'm gonna do some shit rockstars do".. mbdtf was the
>aftermath, but he kept the feeling of "completely empty,
>soulless, lonely rock star at the top of the mountain, filling
>all of that emptiness w/ hedonistic/materialistic shit that
>his fame and fortune affords him"... honestly, i think he's a
>more *compelling* figure and artist because of it.. i know ppl
>are gonna disagree w/ me on that, but i don't see it as liking
>the change more or less..

I don't see how anyone could disagree with that. As a persona/figure, he's certainly more compelling. It's almost more mysterious because he's no longer an everyman. No one can relate to him, but people still try to, which sells records and garners him tons of attention, which is what I was referencing in the "best" portion of my initial e-mail.

So yea I think his mother dying, his engagement breaking off, and the 50 Cent thing (proving that he was on top of the game) all played parts in why he's so arrogant and cocky these days, for sure.

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165. "Great post"
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168. "great post... I've felt exactly the same about Kanye"
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which is why I've had little problem with his post-Graduation music, his "persona" has changed in the last few years.

  

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106. "RE: "Graduation" sent (most) hardcore shit to the bench"
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I actually said this on Twitter a few days ago. I thought Graduation was the most important and best album of the last 5 years. People dont like Kanye but the music cant be denied...Graduation was no joke..

  

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115. "t-pain's "rappa turnt singa.""
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or however that shit is spelled.

  

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119. "RE: Has there been a &quot;GAME CHANGING LP&quot; in the Last 5-10 years..."
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The College Dropout, easy. It effectively stunted the mainstream expansion of gangsta, braggadocio rap. Not to mention it opened the door for rapper/producers and backpack rappers. Made way for dudes like Lupe Fiasco and Drake and Kan opened up the Chicago rap scene for the generation. Gave shine to guys like Twista and even scrubs like Yung Berg made it out.

  

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124. "RE: Has there been a &quot;GAME CHANGING LP&quot; in the Last 5-10 years..."
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I would say Kanye got 2 LP's that did it. CD & Graduation...he is important to the past decade of Hip Hop...like him or not

  

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131. "Teflon Don"
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156. "No."
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https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

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133. "Burial's first LP, arguably spawned a whole genre."
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134. "There's a strong theme in this post - Kanye"
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Those who can't acknowledge that Kanye has made at least some impact on Hip Hop are fooling themselves and I think just want to argue for the sake that they don't want to believe Kanye has had such a strong influence. Just look at his catalog:

The College Dropout
Late Registration
Graduation
808s & Heartbreak
My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy

Both critically and sales wise, as an artist this is extremely successful with the majority arguing that 808s would be the weak link.

PS. According to Metacritic, his lowest scoring album is 808s with a score of 75. Even his worst album still ranks pretty well.

http://www.metacritic.com/person/kanye-west

Now this is just critically not sales and I know metacritic is definitely not the most accredited measure, nor has it really been around for long - i'm just using it for examples sake.

Compare this to Nas. Stillmatic scored a 69.

http://www.metacritic.com/person/nas

  

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137. "RE: There's a strong theme in this post - Kanye"
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I agree. Kanye is pretty much the biggest Hip Hop artist of the last 10 years outside of maybe Jay-Z...from albums to production to influence...its true

  

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162. "you can't just list his album titles +expect people to ''see'' the point"
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163. "Well (and this is from my perspective)"
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The College Dropout - Kanye pops up on the scene. Debuts with Through The Wire to become something of a born again rap star, a tale almost of the underdog who had been working in the scene for a few years and now it was his time to shine. Follows this up with Slow Jamz which well a nice rap song with a bit of an RnB slow jam to it, obviously and All Falls Down, a rap song with a nice sing-a-long female chorus for mainstream measure while backing it up with a cautionary tale of running after that certain lifestyle that is fuelled by status. Jesus Walks had that political edge to get people talking, the New Workout Plan was just another fun Hip Hop song. Not to mention Two Words which while not being a single, gained him credibility in the hard to win over underground Hip Hop community.

Late Registration - This album is one of Kanye's I want to call my favourites just because it is so diverse in topic matter as well as showing range in Kanye's character. Ranging from a thankful ode to his Mum Hey Mama to controversial political beliefs - Crack Music, Diamonds; this is the Kanye I like to see, and I feel it is his most intellectual and smart work to date (again, my opinion) and one where he was really pushing the envelope on not just subject matter but production value as well - remember all the fuss about the strings and how orchestral the album was described to be. This albums singles included; Touch The Sky, Gold Digger, Diamonds from Sierra Leone and Heard 'Em Say. Except for Diamonds here in Australia, those other three tracks were wildly popular and without going into too much detail (because I'm sure most people here would know what those singles were about) ranging from introspection, critiquing, analysing cultural beliefs and society to borderline misogynistic and bragging raps to keep us all happy, it was everything a true Hip Hop album was meant to be and then went beyond that. Don't forget, this album had We Major on it. Late Registration, again to me and I more than understand people will disagree, is one of the most important Hip Hop albums in the last decade if not ever and would have been the closest thing to a game changer.

Graduation - Now here's an album that I'm not all too comfortable with and I feel will age a lot quicker (along with 808s) then the rest of his catalog. Late Registration was almost Kanye's curse because it opened up these ideas to him artistically that you wouldn't normally associate with the Hip Hop sound or the culture. Instead of his soul loops, he was now sampling Daft Punk and venturing into electronic and other areas of music which he had not seen once before. He was thinking of ways to show he could reinvent the wheel while still being able to use it so to speak (or really just staying Hip Hop while doing something differet). He gets Spike Jonze to direct Flashing Lights, Takashi Murakami to do the album art. This was also the precursor to the, it's very hard to put into words, the "fashonista" Kanye. His singles are loud, glossy pop songs; Stronger, Flashing Lights, Good Life. Homecoming was almost a glimpse of return to Late Registration form but to me it just felt contrived, like he was too far gone (although I'll admit this did get a lot of the Hip Hop community into Coldplay, Chris Martin went on to help out Jay-Z in a few tracks, and I think Coldplay might have had a mixtape-related release? Can't exactly remember). Anyway, Kanye is at popstar status at this point, starts becoming involved with fashion (albeit very electro influenced), trying to explore his artistic avenue within the music world, not just Hip Hop. Remember when Kanye came out with those damn shades in the stronger video, and he starts wearing all these crazy colours and huge kicks - how much did that influence the dress sense of Hip Hop? Everybody was dressing in that style.

808s & Heartbreak - While it is sad to say that with the death of his mum, that called off engagement (was this when the Lady Gaga tour got cancelled too?) and I'm sure all the other things associated with this in relation to his life caused a sort of comedown and humbling experience for Kanye. The hangover from Graduation was here, and it hit hard - remember that picture of Kanye with the big glasses and that grey suit? Kanye was vulnerable, he needed 808s to bare his soul that he was hurt. It was pretty hard to defend him man, I admit I kinda turned my back on him but still hung in there. I remember hearing Love Lockdown for the first time and trying so hard to like it. And autotune, remember the outcry over him using autotune? Whether it killed it, revived it; whatever it got people talking about AUTOTUNE. He managed to get some singles from this one though, Welcome to Heartbreak, Heartless, Paranoid and Amazing. He also continued, I wouldn't say display his artistic side but maybe to show and foster it - he gets KAWS to do his album art, and I must say while I'm not a fan of all of those songs the videos for them are more than great in my books.

Side note - does anybody still wish Kanye was still running his blog? While it was a bit hard to read sometimes it was definitely visually appealing and bold. Fashion, design, architecture, girls haha it was great. I loved reading it and would go on there from time to time for inspiration and it sucked that when he started to promo My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy that it went down.

My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy - Which pretty much brings us up to speed with now (I'm not including Watch the Throne as its too early, and its more of a joint thing with Jay-Z). Good Fridays utilises the free internet model to build hype, Kanye is laying low after years of scrutiny (which he deserved) for Taylor, people still riding him about Bush, probably still people riding him about the Justice video reaction and a few other award show mess ups. He starts to mature up and focus, this is even reflected in his fashion sense through his "Rosewood" movement (acting like gentleman, wearing suits, "it isn't just a look it's an attitude). But the rumours of the production and people involved get people excited that Kanye will be returning "to rap", returning to form - making a comeback. And that's what he did, he brought out Power, Monster, Runaway and All of The Lights. These singles, while not really anything deep politically or in the message or content, were just really good produced, emotionally driven pop songs which is why they were so successful. And it was Kanye, it was just him being him doing what he does best.

Long story short, his albums, singles, Kanye himself has been a game changer. Without him you would not have Lupe Fiasco, Drake, Kid Cudi ... it might be a reach but even I feel artists like the Cool Kids could almost be drawn from Graduation-era Kanye (and all the legion of kids who then became knock offs of Cool Kids, Kid Cudi etc). Probably a lot more to be proven that he influenced, but there also could not be. Would No I.D. really be as popular now if Kanye didn't call him his mentor? (Granted though, No I.D. still gets heaps of work from Kanye, Jay and camp). Just think, if Kanye were to die tomorrow - huge knock on wood - don't just think how the Hip Hop community would react but even mainstream media. Because his influence has been pretty overarching, for better or for worse. Short of me quoting actual album sales which I really couldn't be bothered to find, and as if you wouldn't know without seeing those numbers anyway. From The College Dropout he made being a rapper different, not just all bragging and jewellery but not just all serious and artistic - he found a lane and has been carving it ever since.

  

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142. "Donuts"
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Brought instrumental hip-hop to a new level/accessibility/acceptability.

  

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143. "Cmon."
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Just...no.

As great as it is to those of us who heard it, it changed nothing in the overall greater landscape of hip-hop. I think you know that.

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144. "There'd be no flying lotus..."
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146. "....................."
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152. "if if there were no flying lotus hip hip would be...."
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...the exact same.

  

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153. "That's exactly what my extended ellipsis above was saying."
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149. "cmon man....that album basically inspired a generation"
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everybody and their mama started doing beattapes after donuts dropped

and do i have to mention all the albums (even from mainstream artists) that used donuts instrumentals?

  

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151. "I dunno...I was considering "changing the game"..."
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to be more on a total mainstream level. Those beat tapes that were coming out after Donuts were mostly under the radar, no matter how good a lot of them were.

And most (if not all) of the mainstream artists that were using Dilla's beats had already been getting Dilla beats before Donuts, so what's the surprise there?

Iunno man. Again, I love Donuts. I mean, I fucking LOVE that album. But I just didn't consider it a major full blown game changer, not even close.

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154. "Hugely influential for the Brainfeeder scene"
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Don't really think it had much of an influence on "regular" hip hop but you def can argue Donuts kinda helped birth a genre.

  

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164. "In a way..."
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Donuts was important to the Hip Hop scene but it's influence was even more important to electronic and other artists. While I wouldn't want to be quoted on this, but even chillwave and other artists in that sort of mix between electronic/folk/rock scene more often than not pop out of nowhere and say "J Dilla's Donuts album was a big influence". And yes as the aforementioned influence it had on Flying Lotus and the Brainfeeder collective and their contribution to electronic music, which would then in turn also sort of contribute to the earlier stages of dubstep/bass music is pretty important. And by earlier stages I mean it becoming as popular as it has now, not to the actual dubstep/bass/UK funky scene which had it's own highway it was travelling on.

  

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145. "easy...donuts"
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157. "No."
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https://soundcloud.com/matt-koelling-666011203

www.somethinginthewudder.com

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https://www.facebook.com/matt.koelling.96

https://www.instagram.com/something_in_the_wudder/

https://www.linkedin.com/in/matt-koelling-438a80

  

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147. "No and I don't agree with any of the ones mentioned n/m"
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<<<<<is what the five fingers said to the face

  

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158. "it's cute that ya'll think Listening and Donuts are influential."
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161. "yeah i love donuts and really like listening (prefer minstrel show)"
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but these arent "game changers" in at any level

  

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171. "RE: it's cute that ya'll think Listening and Donuts are influential."
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Yeah I mean really....those albums arent game changers...they are just really good to great albums...I'm a fan but they didnt change the scope of hip hop..lol..people really didnt read the orginal post I did or are just saying their favorite LP's ...this is non bias...more than likely...its Kanye ..like him or not for one of his LP's

  

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159. "You guys can't agree on 808s vs So Far Gone because"
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it's like when they say "Raising Hell" is a game changing LP because "Walk This Way" was on it, fusing rock and rap ... LIKE NEVER BEFORE.

When you can be like, well what about "Rock Box"? "King Of Rock"? "Here We Go (Live At The Funhouse)" with two copies of Billy Squier? And wait a damn second I remember Cold Crush Brothers rhyming over rock. etc etc

No. Other things open the door, but a GAME CHANGING album is usually the one that makes it STICK for the mainstream.

  

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167. "Odd future?"
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I don't think I saw anyone mention their collective yet but I suppose specifically, Goblin from Tyler, the Creator. Even still, they're exposure as a collective of artists is important. What are people's opinions? I honestly haven't listened to a lot of OF because it's not my thing, but I can definitely see the coverage and influence that they're bringing to the culture (and even in saying that, Goblin sales aren't too bad?). Getting Mos and Kanye cosigns isn't a bad thing, nor is getting in video with Pusha T all that bad either (although I suppose this can all be so far attributed to Tyler haha).

  

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170. "Naw."
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First of all, it's far too soon after its release to consider Goblin a game changer.

And I don't see anyone following suit to this point, anyway. They've made a lot of noise since being introduced but I don't see them paving any lanes.

Could be wrong, of course.

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172. "RE: Naw."
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Did somebody actually say Goblins in a post with serious
LP's listed? If so, come on okayplayer.

  

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