how are these holding up for you? do you still play them?
the arcade fire - neon bible
modest mouse - we were dead before the ship even sank
each of these were called at the beginning of 2007 (or even december 2006?) as "album of the year" for 2007 with 'neon bible' even being labeled by you as the best (rock?) album since 'ok computer.' i guess 'in rainbows' has since usurped that title, and i know you all are still listening to that.

how about
tv on the radio - return to cookie mountain
still phenomenal to you in light of their most recent album, the list-topping yet grammy-snubbed 'dear science'?

how much do you trust the lesson with current rock music? i ask because so many have called the new animal collective album the album of the year already, and it'll be interesting to see what people say 2 years later like with the arcade fire and modest mouse.

ddddddddon't do it bbbbbbbaby.

i've found myself better of trusting my own hears which have told me ain't much new onder the sun. there's a lot of good novelty stuff (battles) and then some stuff that i generally dig (blood brothers) but for the most part rock is a bag full of the bringing rock back cliche. it would be nice to find a new group to generally dig though.

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oh and animal collective. their the best now didn't you know.

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i'm kind of amazed by the lessonhead-endorsed indie rock groups you check out (menomena, of montreal, blood brothers, etc.). like, really? usually if you end up actually liking them then it makes me a little more interested, but if only the average lesson rock club members big it up then it just makes me not interested. unfortunately, there's almost no distinction in taste in current rock between here and richdork, who i haven't trusted for a rock recommendation since maybe 2002.



>there's a lot of good
>novelty stuff (battles)

"muscular tortoise"... they are good though.


>it would be nice to find a
>new group to generally dig though.

me, too. i think i have the reputation here of just hating everything new in rock, but i'm happy when i find a new artist to like. i'd rather be proved wrong than right when it comes to music, it just hasn't happened in current indie(-approved) rock in a long time.

>i'm kind of amazed by the lessonhead-endorsed indie rock
>groups you check out (menomena, of montreal, blood brothers,
>etc.). like, really?

I never said anything about of montreal. was pretty critical of menomena's sequencing which i still think is better my way, blood brothers i picked up after a second opinion.
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>I never said anything about of montreal. was pretty critical
>of menomena's sequencing which i still think is better my way,
>blood brothers i picked up after a second opinion.

sorry for the mixup. i heard a little of montreal, which intruiged me to hear more, none of menomena (i think i have 'friend or foe' downloaded though), and i can't stand the blood brothers.

>if you got rid of all of the hip-hop and soul in the lesson,
>you'd have p*******k.

i love how mainstream and hard rock don't exist according to the lesson, but at least 3 people acknowledge that there was metal up until a few years ago, it was all just really obscure after metallica and slayer.

i really doubt they've been listening to either the modest mouse or arcade fire albums since proclaiming their greatness

The Moon & Antarctica & Good News: yes. I never really liked their last.

I still listen to Funeral a lot. I don't listen to Neon Bible all that often, but certain tracks still get play.

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But I have some personal picks from this decade I would put over either album.

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no service even tho i'm standin near a couple towers
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Of the three albums you brought up, I don't really listen to any of them very much these days (and for that matter I haven't listened to In Rainbows in a while either). But I was never really that big on Arcade Fire or Modest Mouse when those albums came out, and I liked Cookie Mountain more than that, but I think it's the weakest of the three full TVOTR albums.

It's not really spoken of much, but the shelf life of most rock acts coming out these days is just a bit longer than most rappers now.

>It's not really spoken of much, but the shelf life of most
>rock acts coming out these days is just a bit longer than most
>rappers now.

which is to say that it's very little beyond the "leak" and often D.O.A. on the official release day? i just want people here to take some responsibility for the albums they pump up, especially if they have any interest in recommending them to newcomers. they can't all be album of the year, especially in december of the year before or in january. ditto for album of the decade before the decade's even up. in fairness, i think a lot of people are still listening to 'in rainbows' and 'cookie mountain' but definitely overshot their praise for the arcade fire and modest mouse albums from 2007 unless people here want to speak up and disagree.

The expertise in this board still lies mostly there. There's only so many people in real life whose taste in music I really trust, and I don't see why it wouldn't be the same here. You're much more likely to get really in depth discussion about hip hop or RnB topics than anything else. Most rock posts here tend to devolve into a couple people who really know their shit and then a bunch of people just going off Pitchfork/what's hot at the moment/whatever (plus a few race baiters on top of that). But most jazz posts here tend to be the same way (a couple of people who really know their shit and then a bunch of people bigging up Miles, who we all know is great, but doesn't need to be bigged up anymore). And I'm sure if you went to a rock board asking about hip hop, you'd probably get a couple people bigging up The Roots, a bunch of people who hate all rap, and like 2 dudes who actually knew shit.

There's definitely a small core of posters here who know their rock shit well (Hellberg for example, plus most of you in this post), and I'll definitely read and consider your opinions even if I don't totally agree, but for the most part the rock tastes in here are sort of an echo chamber for what's popular in the (indie rock) media.

>in fairness, i think a
>lot of people are still listening to 'in rainbows' and 'cookie
>mountain' but definitely overshot their praise for the arcade
>fire and modest mouse albums from 2007 unless people here want
>to speak up and disagree.
Oh those are hardly bad albums, in fact I think they are both solidly good. But based on the hype when they came out, you'd think they were the best thing since The Beatles. To be fair I like some of the "Lesson approved" stuff as well (I'm a shameless of Montreal fan), but I sorta hate Arcade Fire and was never huge on Modest Mouse.

>You're much more likely to get really in depth discussion
>about hip hop or RnB topics than anything else.

that is true, but there are somewhat regular, great, in-depth discussions here concerning all kinds of other music from jazz to prog rock to old-time folk and gospel recordings, just not current rock music. your message is something that people always say to me when i bring this topic up, but my response always is, does contemporary rock music really not merit any scrutiny and detailed conversation? if so, why? if it's so surface, why are the lyrics typically still about subjects that are rich and serious? are people listening?


>And I'm
>sure if you went to a rock board asking about hip hop, you'd
>probably get a couple people bigging up The Roots, a bunch of
>people who hate all rap, and like 2 dudes who actually knew
>shit.

oh, i'm sure. the only rock boards i check (every few months) have incredibly idiosyncratic taste in hip-hop. the hood forum (now defunct) was all into the anticon artists, and digital noise's taste in hip-hop is more or less the same as richdork's. the reason i've been reading OKP for 8 years is that i find the taste and knowledge here incredibly diverse (compared with other forums and, let's face it, real life), it's just the conversations *about* current rock have been materially lacking for years and IMO tend to be just a leak check-in and absurd proclamations of album of the year/decade.


>I'll definitely read and consider your opinions
>even if I don't totally agree

despite any suggestion to the contrary, i always do, too.

There really isn't a purely mainstream or alternative scene anymore (metal still exists in pretty much it's own world though). Radiohead has plenty of indie cred yet is huge, but not really big enough where the average soccer mom really listens to them. Fall Out Boy is huge but have no indie cred, but has the average indie rock fan really listened to them more than once on the radio before dismissing them? With the fall of a lot of traditional music sources everything is sorta nebulous.

I feel you there hasn't been much good current rock discussion lately here. It's sort of a weird dynamic here especially, you have cats who really know their shit, and then a lot who are more surface knowledge. Sometimes you just get tired of talking about how great Radiohead is. I've had some great discussions about some more esoteric rock discussions here, but who really wants to talk about The Jellyfish and The Posies here outside of me and Hellberg? It seems as though a lot of people have that surface knowledge, which isn't inherently wrong in itself, but don't really feel like digging any more past that. I mean, you look at the hip hop discussions here and you see cats looking and listening to the samples, listening to the rappers that came before, but if you don't feel like listening to any of the bands that came before and influenced Coldplay, how are we gonna have a real discussion?

>There really isn't a purely mainstream or alternative scene
>anymore (metal still exists in pretty much it's own world
>though). Radiohead has plenty of indie cred yet is huge, but
>not really big enough where the average soccer mom really
>listens to them. Fall Out Boy is huge but have no indie cred,
>but has the average indie rock fan really listened to them
>more than once on the radio before dismissing them? With the
>fall of a lot of traditional music sources everything is sorta
>nebulous.

i think you pretty much nailed the problem down here.


>Sometimes you just get tired of
>talking about how great Radiohead is.

yes!!!


>you look at the hip hop
>discussions here and you see cats looking and listening to the
>samples, listening to the rappers that came before, but if you
>don't feel like listening to any of the bands that came before
>and influenced Coldplay, how are we gonna have a real
>discussion?

that's pretty much it. i think a lot of people here do look back to the notable bands though, but there's only so much you can say about the big name ones without being boring with an unoriginal opinion.

Or Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun
or The National - Alligator

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i never considered GYBE! a rock band. post-rock, sure, but it's kind of hard for me to even bring them up in a comparison with the arcade fire,* radiohead, modest mouse, and TVOTR.

plus, ever since richdork shit on them with their king-unmaking review of their final album, people seem to have stopped talking about how amazing GYBE! were. their disappearance didn't help matters much either, of course.

my personal favorite has always been 'f#a#infinity.'

*i was so pissed when i gave in and checked out 'funeral' a few months after its release because someone told me it was a lot like GYBE!. my reaction at the time was arcade fire are "just a rock band." that definitely spoiled my first impression of them, but a few weeks or months later i came around to appreciating that as a pretty good album with 2-3 great songs on it.


>Or Porcupine Tree - Lightbulb Sun

some of my coworkers like them (him? isn't it mostly one guy?) so because of them i've never checked out any of their music. narrowminded of me but not permanent. the coworkers in question have totally different taste in rock and music in general (they ONLY like rock, be it classic rock, prog rock, current and '90s radio rock, or metal) than i so i rule out pretty much anything unfamiliar that they talk about as not for me.


>or The National - Alligator

people rave about this band here and elsewhere (again i find the lesson rock cognoscenti mirroring or even aping richdork), and while i admit i haven't listened to an album, i did see and hear them do some songs live last year and i wasn't at all impressed. it's not really my kind of music though and i couldn't focus on the lyrics in the setting.

I just recently got into Porcupine Tree actually. Haven't checked out all their albums yet but I was very impressed with what I heard. They're probably the only band that I would compare with Radiohead as far as overall sound goes (at least their stuff from around the turn of the century).

My personal favorite of the 2000's would have to be Kid A though. I just wanted to bring some other bands into the discussion.

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>I just recently got into Porcupine Tree actually. Haven't
>checked out all their albums yet but I was very impressed with
>what I heard. They're probably the only band that I would
>compare with Radiohead as far as overall sound goes (at least
>their stuff from around the turn of the century).

when i *do* start listening to Porcupine Tree, that album will be my starting point. thanks.


>My personal favorite of the 2000's would have to be Kid A
>though. I just wanted to bring some other bands into the
>discussion.

according to the list i made recently (http://www.last.fm/user/howisya/journal/2009/01/10/2e07hu_my_25_favorite_albums), that's mine, too, if we're talking strictly rock music (and pretending 'kid a' is a rock album...). following that album are hood 'cold house,' the deftones 'the white pony,' a perfect circle 'mer de noms,' and the dandy warhols '13 tales from urban bohemia,' all from the beginning of the decade.

>some of my coworkers like them (him? isn't it mostly one guy?)


Yes.


>so because of them i've never checked out any of their music.
>narrowminded of me but not permanent. the coworkers in
>question have totally different taste in rock and music in
>general (they ONLY like rock, be it classic rock, prog rock,
>current and '90s radio rock, or metal) than i so i rule out
>pretty much anything unfamiliar that they talk about as not
>for me.



'Stupid Dream' is a good album. It's all I have heard by them, but I thought it was very nice.



>
>
>>or The National - Alligator
>
>people rave about this band here and elsewhere (again i find
>the lesson rock cognoscenti mirroring or even aping richdork),
>and while i admit i haven't listened to an album, i did see
>and hear them do some songs live last year and i wasn't at all
>impressed. it's not really my kind of music though and i
>couldn't focus on the lyrics in the setting.



I heard 'The Boxer' based off the hype. Very overrated, I remember liking ONE song.

so more than a decade old. I might be wrong there are too many PT releases but in any case Deadwing or In absentia could take it's place

Im a huge Radiohead fan (i'd be willing to put my fanhood up against anyone on the boards) but i don't think in rainbows is the best rock album

played Hail to the Thief much more then Rainbows (Kid A for that matter also)

>played Hail to the Thief much more then Rainbows

me, too. i have to make myself play 'in rainbows.' i forget i even have it in the car (i only keep the cardboard sleeve and disc in there, but still...).

right now (boring radiohead comment coming in 5, 4, 3...), OKC >> kid a > the bends > HTTT > amn = IR > PH.

I put Hail to the Thief on just a few days ago for the first time in ages and was reminded of what a blips-and-bleeps pseudo-deep mess some of it is, like a worse version of Insomniac but then with some dreary meandering piano songs thrown in.

'Punch-up at a Wedding' sounds like a solid b-side from the late nineties but the fact that it has an actual groove and some linear/decipherable lyrics make it one of the stronger cuts on the album by default.

In Rainbows might be Radiohead's best album......it's at least their best since OK.

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it's a retread of 'OKC' and 'the bends' w/ indietronica (think the postal service) overtones. i mean, the songs and performances are great, it just lacks umph. i'm not saying it's better, but even 'the eraser' was more daring. radiohead shouldn't have fallen back on nigel godrich like a crutch; i would've liked to have heard the demos with mark "spike" stent even though his resume and overall production are pretty clean and safe, too.

oh, and 'IR' is even *more* boring and safe live. jeeeezus. i never thought i'd be "not into" a radiohead performance, but last year changed that for me.

All I Need is a Top 5 Radiohead song, personally it's probably my favorite but that's just me.

Videotape is a beautiful coda.

House of Cards is a pretty little ditty.

A couple of the harder songs (this band has always struggled trying to 'rock') still actually sound like fully realized songs rather than noise and wailing/whining.

This album on some level might have been 'playing it safe' but really it just plays to the strengths they've covered over the course of their career, which is crafting gorgeous acoustic or piano-based songs with electronic flourishes.

They'd been smelling their own farts for a lot of this decade drifting down the 'important record'/electronica rabbit hole while getting fellated by every critic and yet creating few songs that hold up individually.

>it's a retread of 'OKC' and 'the bends' w/ indietronica
>(think the postal service) overtones. i mean, the songs and
>performances are great, it just lacks umph. i'm not saying
>it's better, but even 'the eraser' was more daring. radiohead
>shouldn't have fallen back on nigel godrich like a crutch; i
>would've liked to have heard the demos with mark "spike" stent
>even though his resume and overall production are pretty clean
>and safe, too.
>
>oh, and 'IR' is even *more* boring and safe live. jeeeezus. i
>never thought i'd be "not into" a radiohead performance, but
>last year changed that for me.

Radiohead has always been fairly ho-hum live to me (of course Spin laughably named them the best live act of the decade a couple years back), the best thing I can say about them is that they have a great light show and they're able to completely replicate their studio tracks (to the point where they're borderline sounding like there's a DAT in the back) live when they're not meandering into spacey 'jams'.

I thought this tour was better than Hail to the Thief, simply because I liked the material better and they seemed more into playing to the crowd......but neither would crack my Top 50 shows I've seen in my lifetime.

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if i wanted just listenable then i'd probably buy pop albums and call it a day, but i like to hear new approaches to old forms.


>All I Need is a Top 5 Radiohead song, personally it's
>probably my favorite but that's just me.

it's a wonderful song. it wouldn't make *my* top 5, but i never quibble with people's radiohead top song choices.


>Videotape is a beautiful coda.

*nod*


>House of Cards is a pretty little ditty.

*nod*


>this band has always struggled
>trying to 'rock'

i guess. some of the b-sides are great rock songs, and 'pablo honey' is great for what it is, but fans just dismiss it as grunge lite (?!) or because they prefer the subsequent albums so much more. actually, 'OKC' is a great rock album.


>This album on some level might have been 'playing it safe'

i think they tried too hard to appease fans like yourself (no offense) who were somewhat or even a lot put off by their so-called "experimentation" on their last 3 albums.


>but
>really it just plays to the strengths they've covered over the
>course of their career, which is crafting gorgeous acoustic or
>piano-based songs with electronic flourishes.

on paper, that appears true, but in execution, it just comes off a little sterile to me this time.


>yet creating few
>songs that hold up individually.

i disagree strongly, but see above re: my not being one to challenge people's opinions on a song level.

if the end result isn't that good to me.

>if i wanted just listenable then i'd probably buy pop albums
>and call it a day, but i like to hear new approaches to old
>forms.
>
>
>>All I Need is a Top 5 Radiohead song, personally it's
>>probably my favorite but that's just me.
>
>it's a wonderful song. it wouldn't make *my* top 5, but i
>never quibble with people's radiohead top song choices.
>
>
>>Videotape is a beautiful coda.
>
>*nod*
>
>
>>House of Cards is a pretty little ditty.
>
>*nod*
>
>
>>this band has always struggled
>>trying to 'rock'
>
>i guess. some of the b-sides are great rock songs, and 'pablo
>honey' is great for what it is, but fans just dismiss it as
>grunge lite (?!) or because they prefer the subsequent albums
>so much more. actually, 'OKC' is a great rock album.
>
OKC is the closest they came to a great 'rock' album, I'd agree.....and parts where they worked in some of the Pablo Honey power chord/grunge structure into their expanding song pallettes (like in Paranoid Android for example) is the reason for that.

After that album though, they pretty much lost the will or ability to rock altogether and most attempts at it since feel forced or unfinished to me.
>
>>This album on some level might have been 'playing it safe'
>
>i think they tried too hard to appease fans like yourself (no
>offense) who were somewhat or even a lot put off by their
>so-called "experimentation" on their last 3 albums.
>
>
>>but
>>really it just plays to the strengths they've covered over
>the
>>course of their career, which is crafting gorgeous acoustic
>or
>>piano-based songs with electronic flourishes.
>
>on paper, that appears true, but in execution, it just comes
>off a little sterile to me this time.
>
>
>>yet creating few
>>songs that hold up individually.
>
>i disagree strongly, but see above re: my not being one to
>challenge people's opinions on a song level.

Yeah, I feel like we've discussed this before......we simply might just be looking for different things from this band.

I don't look to them to hear 'rock' songs or for them to 'challenge' me as a listener with some of their more obtuse stuff, I'd rather they do what they do best to my ears which is "High & Dry" type of stuff with the occasional cool left turn that works.

I like Radiohead, I will always check for them which is saying something. But they're not the end-all be-all that a lot of their most ravenous fans make them out to be for my tastes.

They wouldn't crack my all-time Top 10 or maybe even Top 20. That may sound strange because they usually seem to invoke either idol worship or pure disdain but that's the way I feel. peace.

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It was a few songs to long especially since some of the songs stick out as being inferior to the others, and it fucked with the sequence of the album so it doesn't 'flow' which Radiohead have been great with since The Bends. Cut 4-5 songs, change the order=album that would lie in the better half of their catalog.





>I put Hail to the Thief on just a few days ago for the first
>time in ages and was reminded of what a blips-and-bleeps
>pseudo-deep mess some of it is, like a worse version of
>Insomniac but then with some dreary meandering piano songs
>thrown in.
>
>'Punch-up at a Wedding' sounds like a solid b-side from the
>late nineties but the fact that it has an actual groove and
>some linear/decipherable lyrics make it one of the stronger
>cuts on the album by default.
>
>In Rainbows might be Radiohead's best album......it's at least
>their best since OK.

>It was a few songs to long especially since some of the songs
>stick out as being inferior to the others, and it fucked with
>the sequence of the album so it doesn't 'flow' which Radiohead
>have been great with since The Bends. Cut 4-5 songs, change
>the order=album that would lie in the better half of their
>catalog.
>
>
>
>
>
>>I put Hail to the Thief on just a few days ago for the first
>>time in ages and was reminded of what a blips-and-bleeps
>>pseudo-deep mess some of it is, like a worse version of
>>Insomniac but then with some dreary meandering piano songs
>>thrown in.
>>
>>'Punch-up at a Wedding' sounds like a solid b-side from the
>>late nineties but the fact that it has an actual groove and
>>some linear/decipherable lyrics make it one of the stronger
>>cuts on the album by default.
>>
>>In Rainbows might be Radiohead's best album......it's at
>least
>>their best since OK.
>

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I thought the first three tracks were a great opener

2+2
Sit Down, Stand
Sail to the Moon
Backdrifts.

I think 2+2 is the kicker, great album opener. But those 4 imho set a nice little pace, same electronic shit but you have your guitar number, your piano ballad.

Go to Sleep
Where I end and You Begin
We Suck Young Blood
Gloaming

This section is where it gets shaky. Gloaming seems to sum up where they were trying to go with the album, and I like it. I also think Go to Sleep is a strong track, but in general this part of the album seem out of place. We Suck Young Blood screems B-side.

There There
I Will
Punchup

See above, I agree with your Punchup assessment.

The rest? Strong finish. Myxamatosis, scatterbrain, etc I think are some of my fav Radiohead tracks, Wolf at the door is a good closer.

>I thought the first three tracks were a great opener
>
>2+2
>Sit Down, Stand
>Sail to the Moon
>Backdrifts.
>
>I think 2+2 is the kicker, great album opener. But those 4
>imho set a nice little pace, same electronic shit but you have
>your guitar number, your piano ballad.
>
I feel you to some degree on this, I really liked Sit Down, Stand Up (something about that 'waaaaaaaalk, into the jaws of hell' appealed to me) and Sail to the Moon is a welcome reprise from the 'raindrop' finish that almost starts to become the ear equivelant of going cross-eyed after a bit.

>Go to Sleep
>Where I end and You Begin
>We Suck Young Blood
>Gloaming
>
>This section is where it gets shaky. Gloaming seems to sum up
>where they were trying to go with the album, and I like it. I
>also think Go to Sleep is a strong track, but in general this
>part of the album seem out of place. We Suck Young Blood
>screems B-side.
>
We Suck Young Blood is a kinda cool/memorable title.......'but that about it'(c)Hov.

>There There
>I Will
>Punchup
>
>See above, I agree with your Punchup assessment.
>
>The rest? Strong finish. Myxamatosis, scatterbrain, etc I
>think are some of my fav Radiohead tracks, Wolf at the door is
>a good closer.

To be honest, even though I just listened to this album (or at least a good chunk of it) last Thursday and have owned/brought-it-out occasionally since its release......I'm hard pressed to really remember passages of most individual songs in my head, which is never a good sign.

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It's a Modest Mouse album, which generally means there's some spectacular cuts along with some grating ones.....usually it's a 60/40 or 50/50 mix of the two.

On We Were Dead at least four songs off top were great:
Dashboard
Fire It Up
Parting of the Sensory
Spitting Venom

a few others I'm forgetting were decent-to-good, some others were terrible.

Par for course with that band.

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Float On
Ocean Breathes Salty
Blame It On The Tetons
The Good Times Are Killing Me

Personally I'd put any of those songs listed against most bands' best from the same time period, it's those other songs where they attempt to really 'rock' by pounding out repetitive shouted hooks in sped-up tempos for 4 straight minutes while Isaac has that Bobcat Goldthwait voice going that tend to work on my nerves unless I'm in the perfect mood for it.

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Who thought that We Were Dead was album of the year?

Now Funeral and The Moon and Antarctica are both albums of the decade hands down in my opinion, but I still feel the same way about We Were Dead and Neon Bible as when they came out. That they are solid albums.

While I might like Dear Science, Return to Cookie Mountain is still incredible to me.

especially Neon Bible. Then again those bands previous records were stupendous albums

>Who thought that We Were Dead was album of the year?
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I specifically remember reading numerous posts saying this back when I first started posting here.

but some pretty forgettable ones too. For me, Arcade Fire has yet to put out a front-to-back classic.

I've never heard a Modest Mouse or Franz Ferdinand album, actually I confuse the two, i've only seen a few videos from each. But I share your feelings about Funeral and Neon Bible (although i'd give Neon Bible more than just "solid") so i'll check Moon and Antarctica.

that does not include the Black Keys is a mutt point. Since mid/late 2006, very few rock albums have been better than Chulahoma, Magic Potion and Attack & Release, granted those albums are rooted in the blues and minor tints of psychedelia so they may not fit your criteria, but point is those albums are better than the any you named outside of In Rainbows.

EDIT: i have not got into TV On The Radio ive heard pieces of all their last 3 albums but yet to fully give them their due. To be honest im not very impressed with what i've heard so far. The Arcade Fire i have to revist that. Modest Mouse was just good music, nothin seminal

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>that does not include the Black Keys is a mutt point.

bow wow wow!!

not every rock discussion has to weave them in somehow. they are good. for my tastes, they are more of a cool live act to see at a festival (as was the case for me last year at lollapalooza), but i can't knock anyone for being an outright fan of theirs. the kind of music they do they do very well.


>so they may not fit your criteria, but point is those albums
>are better than the any you named outside of In Rainbows.

i only listed the albums from the last 2 1/2 years that the lesson overall have picked as the rock albums of the year and decade. my topic is asking if people still listen to them on any kind of regular basis and if they still back up their original claims of greatness.


>EDIT:

how you gonna say "EDIT" and the message isn't even edited? lol

cause i can do whatever the fuck i want when it comes to typing messages, even if i times it has typos or doesnt make comlete sense. i dont have that type of time where i wanna revise and edit every message before i post it. so thats why i said edit chump, instead of say sidenote. and like i said my typo of moot point, is that you're saying the lesson has said such and such about these albums and the lesson is definately starting to catch up on the keys and their albums are that good so deserve to be part of the conversation, regardless if you think of them doin some niche shit, when just about every fuckin artist that you listed has their niche form of rock music, whether they be radiohead, TVOTR, arcade fire, the strokes, kings of leon, broken social scene, incubus, the chili peppers, whoever has or may enter this conversation.

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which may put them at odds with other message boards.

1st Strokes record

I think folks like the 2nd and 3rd KOL more than the 1st.

>which may put them at odds with other message boards.
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>1st Strokes record
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1st Strokes record was solidly catchy pop-rock if overhyped, the second was basically a facsimile of the first but without the songwriting that made the first good.

I kinda stopped paying attention after that.

>I think folks like the 2nd and 3rd KOL more than the 1st.
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Aha is still their best to me, although I haven't really given this last one much of a listen.

Because of the Times was dissapointing to me.

None of these albums really hold a candle to the best the genre has offered over the course of rock history, the best of this bunch are simply solidly entertaining records. As long as you don't feel the need to cannonize them or give way to hyperbole simply to have a great/important rock album for this current generation.....you'll be fine.

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i like that the lesson likes KOL, the strokes, the black keys, and my morning jacket, because at least these are rock bands that actually rock. it throws a wrench in my and others' simplification of the tastes here (see: Orfeo_Negro's recent comment in another thread for just one example).

just got into KOL and they are good, very good. the Strokes first album is the shit, one of the best rock albums of the past 10 years, everything else they released is forgotten because they have the mobb deep sydrome, make the same album 4 times in a row, just progressively worse.

>because they have the mobb deep sydrome, make the same album 4
>times in a row, just progressively worse.

although I prefer Room On Fire now.

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That album ppl wanted to like and hype up so much at the time but really it'll never be as great as the first. I mean I know very few ppl that listen to it let alone ppl who admit they still like it anywhere close to the degree it was being hailed as. The 1st AF album to be will always be a classic the 2nd will always be an ok album. Some decent tracks but nowhere as enjoyable and defiantly not the same replay value.

I still listen to TVOTR's albums from time to time and Radiohead seems to be getting more and more play by me as time goes on.