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"has the lesson discussed wonky hip hop yet?"


  

          

as in the name being used for new producers like flying lotus, hudson mohawke, rustie, etc etc?

some articles worth looking through if not -
http://www.lo-la.co.uk/2008/05/18/wonky-bass-lazers/

http://www.lo-la.co.uk/2008/05/18/wonky-bass-lazers/

some of what ive heard isnt that diff from late 90s/early 00s instrumental hip hop but a lot of the other stuff guys like hudson and rustie are doing is a bit more interesting, not really 90s sounding at all, more drawing from crunk, and other electronic sounding beats but really warping it and making it sound like something fresh.

its corny to say its 'progressive' but its definitely good to hear some alternative twists on modern hip hop production. i dont really need to keep hearing variations on boom bap, which is where some of flying lo's beats bore me a bit - i find his more electronic beats more interesting and fresh, but this could end up being pretty cool, if these guys release more stuff and carry on in the way theyre doing so far.

i like the fact they all seem to know and respect each other and dont mind being seen as part of the same scene but they dont really sound like each other at all.

  

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WONKY, Who In The Hell Came Up With That Name?
Jul 23rd 2008
1
It sounds like a word from Alice in Wonderland
Aug 17th 2008
74
Sounds More Like The Name Of A New Willie Wonka Candy
Aug 17th 2008
76
wonky is british slang for "a bit off."
Nov 16th 2008
105
      cheers.
Aug 15th 2009
164
When I read this I thought of Willy Wonka rapping
Jul 23rd 2008
2
RE: has the lesson discussed wonky hip hop yet?
Jul 23rd 2008
3
yep
Jul 23rd 2008
4
lol
Jul 23rd 2008
5
      which are u talking about? the lesson 1 & 2?
Jul 23rd 2008
6
           bad example
Jul 23rd 2008
8
                RE: bad example
Jul 23rd 2008
10
                     flying lotus has nothing to do with hip hop?
Jul 23rd 2008
12
                          I hate sub genres, but dream hop just sounds nice.
Jul 23rd 2008
13
                          that would be more appropriate
Jul 23rd 2008
14
                          dream hop = cool, wonky hip-hop = wack....lol
Jul 23rd 2008
16
                          RE: dream hop = cool, wonky hip-hop = wack....lol
Sep 16th 2008
86
                               *shots fired @ Steve Beckett*
Sep 16th 2008
87
                          Dream-hop works for me
Jul 24th 2008
37
again i find myself in the awkward position of agreeing with you
Jul 23rd 2008
7
would you say prefuse, blockhead, rjd2 etc were IDM?
Jul 23rd 2008
9
      prefuse, yes
Jul 23rd 2008
11
           RE: prefuse, yes
Jul 23rd 2008
18
                this we can agree on.
Jul 23rd 2008
19
no question Dilla is the father of that shit...but
Jul 23rd 2008
15
check for "Dorian Concept" or "Dimlite"....
Jul 23rd 2008
17
Dope track........and I thought I was the only one up on Bullion
Jul 24th 2008
39
how much of his stuff is out there?
Jul 24th 2008
42
There's a beautiful track up on his myspace
Jul 24th 2008
43
you mean the guy that did...
Jul 25th 2008
49
      Yep, that's him
Jul 25th 2008
54
RE: check for "Dorian Concept" or "Dimlite"....
Aug 16th 2008
71
      that shit is dope....
Aug 17th 2008
83
lmfao at this post coining a new subgenre term
Jul 23rd 2008
20
its not my creation
Jul 23rd 2008
24
      naw, dream-hop
Jul 24th 2008
32
           dont hate on my creation
Jul 24th 2008
33
I will beat down the first motherfucker to call heads wonky n/m
Jul 23rd 2008
21
i'm a trifle deaf in this ear...
Jul 23rd 2008
22
i call it post-dilla
Jul 23rd 2008
23
i agree
Jul 23rd 2008
25
jyup
Aug 17th 2008
75
LOL @ 'post Dilla'
Aug 16th 2009
165
Great...another Sub-genre.
Jul 23rd 2008
26
we learnt it from dance music lol
Jul 23rd 2008
27
wack ass name....but that sound is the future.
Jul 23rd 2008
28
or at least the present for 2 years
Jul 23rd 2008
29
      indeed...the present....future.
Jul 24th 2008
30
I call it "beats beats"
Jul 24th 2008
31
after "dilla dilla beats beats" from the beat tapes?
Jul 24th 2008
35
it's funny i had never heard the term wonky before
Jul 24th 2008
34
^^i like her.
Jul 26th 2008
57
      so do i...
Jul 28th 2008
64
wonky? i heard that used to describe the harder uk produced 'funky house...
Jul 24th 2008
36
I love it, but not that silly name
Jul 24th 2008
38
I been calling it Space-Hop
Jul 24th 2008
40
Some of this shit just sounds like Dub Step though...
Jul 24th 2008
41
what sounds like dub step
Jul 25th 2008
48
dabrye is one of the kings of this IMO
Jul 24th 2008
44
^^true....i'd say Jneiro Jarel too
Jul 24th 2008
45
This thread needs more links
Jul 25th 2008
46
have you got a link to hudson heeters?
Jul 25th 2008
47
      RE: have you got a link to hudson heeters?
Jul 25th 2008
51
           i think i heard this before and wasn't impressed...
Jul 25th 2008
52
                did you peep the whole thing?
Jul 25th 2008
53
                     this shit kinda reminds me of whatever 'glitch-hop' is
Jul 26th 2008
61
                          see, it's IDM all over again! tell 'em!
Jul 28th 2008
62
                          RE: this shit kinda reminds me of whatever 'glitch-hop' is
Sep 16th 2008
88
where does afta-1 fit in?
Jul 25th 2008
50
kinggs.muxtape.com
Jul 25th 2008
55
I got no idea what the fuck yall are talking about. Links?
Jul 25th 2008
56
..
Jul 26th 2008
60
after reading this thread... DREAM HOP = GAYEST SHIT EVER
Jul 26th 2008
58
LMFAO!
Jul 26th 2008
59
i felt the same thing about dream POP.
Jul 28th 2008
63
i can hear why warp signed hudson mohawke
Aug 08th 2008
65
they signed hudson? cool.
Aug 08th 2008
66
yeah, months ago
Aug 08th 2008
67
i'm not sold on him yet...
Aug 08th 2008
69
      i'm not a big fan of edIT either
Aug 08th 2008
70
           im listening to his newer album right now
Aug 16th 2008
72
                RE: im listening to his newer album right now
Aug 17th 2008
78
                do u remember the name? i'd love to check it out
Aug 17th 2008
80
                     RE: do u remember the name? i'd love to check it out
Aug 17th 2008
81
                RE: im listening to his newer album right now
Sep 16th 2008
89
RE: has the lesson discussed wonky hip hop yet?
Aug 08th 2008
68
i prefer blip hop
Aug 17th 2008
73
repackage it as new and get the kids talking again
Aug 17th 2008
77
      wonky sounds like a happy hardcore dj's name
Aug 17th 2008
82
           Wonky Al Is In The Mix In The Mix In The Mix In The Mix .....
Aug 18th 2008
84
How many dillas clones need to be on 1 project?
Aug 17th 2008
79
for the few who actually like the "raise it up" beat
Sep 03rd 2008
85
another good one
Oct 28th 2008
100
rustie on radio one (links)
Sep 16th 2008
90
i kinda resent
Sep 29th 2008
91
You don't see any difference between these new vs. old(er)?
Sep 29th 2008
92
      i revise my earlier comment
Sep 29th 2008
93
           I'm not so sure about this.....
Sep 29th 2008
94
                RE: I'm not so sure about this.....
Sep 29th 2008
95
                i scoff @ this:
Sep 29th 2008
99
                     you could take it back to Pete Rock if you wanted to get technical
Aug 16th 2009
166
                          what are we talkin about again?
Aug 16th 2009
167
                               ting about the offbeat/drunken drum programming in Hip Hop music
Aug 16th 2009
168
Not wonky, but he was mentioned in this thread. Koushik.
Sep 29th 2008
96
That should arrive in my mail box sometimes this week
Sep 29th 2008
97
      i'd like his music more if he didnt sing.
Sep 29th 2008
98
hip-hop connection did something on this...
Nov 16th 2008
101
what i like about wonky
Nov 16th 2008
102
RE: what i like about wonky
Nov 16th 2008
103
      maybe not artists
Nov 16th 2008
107
           right, the ignorant ones
Nov 16th 2008
109
Yo...this Hudson Mohawke cat is dope.
Nov 16th 2008
104
Where do Four Tet and Bonobo fit in this equation?
Nov 16th 2008
106
it's a new thing, they've been at it for years
Nov 16th 2008
108
down in maryland
Nov 21st 2008
110
another mix
Dec 09th 2008
111
RE: another mix
Dec 09th 2008
112
      not yet.... i'm doing a lot of research on this whole thing though
Dec 09th 2008
113
      RE: not yet.... i'm doing a lot of research on this whole thing though
Dec 09th 2008
114
           *shakes fist*
Dec 09th 2008
115
      I'm feeling it... a lot actually n/m
Dec 15th 2008
116
           that tracklisting looks delicious
Jan 30th 2009
117
honestly, fly lo and mike slott are the only cats that matter imo
Jan 30th 2009
118
what about jneiro jarel?
Jan 30th 2009
119
I feel like he can (and does) do wonky, but he's not wonky
Jan 30th 2009
121
      have u heard his latest stuff? (album + free beat tape)
Jan 30th 2009
129
           Nope, saving for the weekend!
Jan 30th 2009
132
           Ahh man I've had that beat tape for a long time now
Jan 30th 2009
138
Does Exile's Radio make him wonky?
Jan 30th 2009
120
i dont think so.
Jan 30th 2009
127
      too few lazers?
Jan 30th 2009
130
I look forward to hearing some more from Mike Slott
Jan 30th 2009
122
Also Onra (although personally he's in the same boat as Jnero)
Jan 30th 2009
126
      I think Onra's in the Exile class
Jan 30th 2009
134
           1.0.8?
Jan 30th 2009
135
                yup.
Jan 30th 2009
136
                     ha, i try not to make a distinction...
Jan 30th 2009
137
                          RE: ha, i try not to make a distinction...
Feb 01st 2009
143
joker is great too
Jan 30th 2009
123
i dont like his ep's either...
Jan 30th 2009
124
      the first ep is still the best
Feb 01st 2009
139
btw the all city 7x7 beat series feat. hud mo, mike slott, snowman jack....
Jan 30th 2009
125
i kind of want to spin this off...
Jan 30th 2009
128
nobody really calls it 'wonky'...
Jan 30th 2009
131
maybe not the artists
Jan 30th 2009
133
RE: i kind of want to spin this off...
Feb 01st 2009
141
      RE: i kind of want to spin this off...
Feb 01st 2009
144
           RE: i kind of want to spin this off...
Feb 01st 2009
145
                RE: i kind of want to spin this off...
Feb 01st 2009
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                     RE: i kind of want to spin this off...
Feb 01st 2009
148
btw....
Feb 01st 2009
140
i'm guessing it's different than the all city joints
Feb 01st 2009
142
      a lot of those all city tracks sounded like they cd have been made
Feb 25th 2009
152
           think so? (re: prefuse's new ish)
Feb 25th 2009
157
non-wonky instrumental hip-hop?
Feb 01st 2009
147
afta-1 i would say is right in between
Feb 25th 2009
154
i think ras g automatically gets lumped in there...
Feb 25th 2009
156
Mike Slott "My Lightbridge"
Feb 05th 2009
149
I feel like a lot of this stuff is just Dilla inspired
Feb 05th 2009
150
new joker... which i love
Feb 25th 2009
151
joker could be producin for some southern acts now
Feb 25th 2009
155
this movement is probably the most interesting thing
Feb 25th 2009
153
can we archive this and start an '09 post?
Feb 25th 2009
158
wonky pop
Mar 18th 2009
159
that list of artists doesn't even sound alike
Mar 19th 2009
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      RE: that list of artists doesn't even sound alike
Mar 19th 2009
161
simon says
Jun 05th 2009
162
zomby is the king of this right now.
Jun 07th 2009
163

Dj Joey Joe
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1. "WONKY, Who In The Hell Came Up With That Name?"
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Wonky sounds like a description for wack country music or something, I would just classify Flying Lotus and kats like him as "instrumental hip-hop electronica" yeah I know it's kind of long but it describes better.

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74. "It sounds like a word from Alice in Wonderland"
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---------------------------------------
So it goes.

  

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76. "Sounds More Like The Name Of A New Willie Wonka Candy"
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Bite sized Wonky candy, lol!

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105. "wonky is british slang for "a bit off.""
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wonky


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164. "cheers."
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2. "When I read this I thought of Willy Wonka rapping"
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lol

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3. "RE: has the lesson discussed wonky hip hop yet?"
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This Shit = Explicit Dilla Worship + IDM

It's appropriate that they've finally discovered an even worse name for the 'genre'.

  

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4. "yep"
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and i dont think the genre hiphop should be included because there's no rapping...
just call it 'wonky' or whatever they wanna call it.

i call it wack.

  

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5. "lol"
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so those old steinski tracks arent hip hop either cos theres no rapping on them?

  

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6. "which are u talking about? the lesson 1 & 2?"
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those had rapping on them.

  

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8. "bad example"
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either way, the point is hip hop can be hip hop without rappers on the tracks. its kinda retarded to say instrumentals cant be hip hop.

  

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10. "RE: bad example"
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>either way, the point is hip hop can be hip hop without
>rappers on the tracks. its kinda retarded to say instrumentals
>cant be hip hop.

that isnt what i was saying.
im saying this genre needs to have hiphop removed from it because it has little to nothing to do with hiphop.

dj shadow's wack-ass is more hiphop than these d00ds.

  

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12. "flying lotus has nothing to do with hip hop?"
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FWIW, id personally not include flylo as 'wonky', his music is kinda weird and wonky occasionally, but its more dreamlike. dream-hop maybe?

  

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13. "I hate sub genres, but dream hop just sounds nice."
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I'd think that would be more Koushik than FlyLo though.

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14. "that would be more appropriate"
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since dream-hop rhymes with dream pop and that's the era of music koushik mines from

  

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16. "dream hop = cool, wonky hip-hop = wack....lol"
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Flying lotus, Hudson Mohawke and Mike Slott are all really dope on the beats. There's an obvious hip-hop influence to their production, so dream-hop works for me.

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86. "RE: dream hop = cool, wonky hip-hop = wack....lol"
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>Flying lotus, Hudson Mohawke and Mike Slott are all really
>dope on the beats. There's an obvious hip-hop influence to
>their production, so dream-hop works for me.

I haven't heard any Mike Slott stuff yet, but I think that Hudson Mo and Flylo have become monotonous as of late. Flylo's Los Angeles sounds like he made that album in his sleep and everything that I've heard from Hud Mo recently pales in comparison to everything I heard on the beat tape that was on the net last year.

But, I won't like, Flylo had me with 1983 and Reset. Ain't nothing messing with those.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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87. "*shots fired @ Steve Beckett*"
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37. "Dream-hop works for me"
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>FWIW, id personally not include flylo as 'wonky', his music
>is kinda weird and wonky occasionally, but its more dreamlike.
>dream-hop maybe?


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7. "again i find myself in the awkward position of agreeing with you"
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i like this so-called "wonky hip-hop" and dubstep but let's call these things what they are. IDM for a new generation.

  

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9. "would you say prefuse, blockhead, rjd2 etc were IDM?"
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cos thats what i see fly lo and wajeed and some of the other producers coming from... but better and more interesting. they still have the 90s hip hop sense of programming, theyre just doing something different with it, post-dilla.

  

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11. "prefuse, yes"
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blockhead and rjd2 made downtempo instrumental hip-hop or even trip-hop.


>cos thats what i see fly lo and wajeed and some of the other
>producers coming from...

i don't think flying lotus was overtly IDM until 'reset' and waajeed i'd never give that tag, even if he did put autechre in his 555 soul mix.


>but better and more interesting.

well, the old IDM artists from the '90s have been stale for most of this decade or have changed their sound with the times, if they still release anything at all. that doesn't change the fact that they released classics in their prime that have often aged very well (this is where i disagree with noz, who seems to slight the music he grew up on like he's ashamed of it rather than the crap he hypes up today).


>they
>still have the 90s hip hop sense of programming, theyre just
>doing something different with it, post-dilla.

yeah.

  

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18. "RE: prefuse, yes"
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>(this is where i disagree with
>noz, who seems to slight the music he grew up on like he's
>ashamed of it rather than the crap he hypes up today).

We grew up together?

Hip hop is a lot more fun to write about than IDM. There are only so many ways to say 'Lush synth pads! Crunchy bass kicks! Skittery vocal samples!' Though I will say that much of the crap I hype up today is a branch from the same tree as the crap you hype up from yesterday. It all comes from 808s, electro, miami bass, etc.

  

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19. "this we can agree on."
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i only take issue with the notion that you have an endless supply of metaphors and hyperbole for coke and gun rap but somehow nothing to say about "IDM." i think you just lack an audience that cares. you can write when you want to, i'll give you that.

  

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15. "no question Dilla is the father of that shit...but"
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that dont mean the music is wack.

Cause it aint....

That sound, sounds good.

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17. "check for "Dorian Concept" or "Dimlite"...."
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I made a post about that Dorian kid....

That dude is a BEAST!

Heard this remix and was sold:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/15823118430b7153/

Shitty rip, but hot nonetheless...

Dimlite is nice.

Bullion, nice.

Overall...this lil sub genre is dope to me.

I call that shit "Dee hop"...lol

Jay Dee
Dee(troit) sound
etc...

This shit is for sure Dilla influenced IDM.

Good shit, though....

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39. "Dope track........and I thought I was the only one up on Bullion"
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>Bullion, nice.

He's insane. I want a proper, full-length album.

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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

  

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42. "how much of his stuff is out there?"
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the single i heard was good but a bit too too stainless. kinda clinical.

  

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43. "There's a beautiful track up on his myspace"
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The first song *smh*:

http://www.myspace.com/bullionness

(I can't lie, I'm feeling all the joints on his page!!)

He had that free joint where all the sample material was from "Pet Sounds"......

Otherwise, the only thing I have is a couple of tracks that I cling to.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/15892723b1e04b01/

^This is probably my favorite Bullion track so far.


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49. "you mean the guy that did..."
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...the pet sounds in the key of d?

lots of cats up on him in here, bruh...i think he has a record comin out

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54. "Yep, that's him"
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>...the pet sounds in the key of d?

Yes.

>lots of cats up on him in here, bruh...i think he has a record
>comin out

That's good to hear. I want at least an EP cuz like I said all I have is a bunch of random tracks. I wanna see how him hold down a proper release.
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71. "RE: check for "Dorian Concept" or "Dimlite"...."
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>Heard this remix and was sold:
>http://www.zshare.net/audio/15823118430b7153/
>
>Shitty rip, but hot nonetheless...

shitty rip and shitty remix IMO... i don't get it. it's like a crap hip-hop version of max tundra?

  

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83. "that shit is dope...."
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To each his own.

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20. "lmfao at this post coining a new subgenre term"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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24. "its not my creation"
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'wonky hip hop' is already big in the blogosphere lol.

also read it being called lazer bass.

  

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32. "naw, dream-hop"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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33. "dont hate on my creation"
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itll be quoted in magazine articles soon.

  

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21. "I will beat down the first motherfucker to call heads wonky n/m"
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22. "i'm a trifle deaf in this ear..."
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...speak a little louder next time

FOH w/ these stupid genre titles

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23. "i call it post-dilla"
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and i like that sound.
when done right, it's the best "new music"

  

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25. "i agree"
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i prefer it when it takes dillas techno side over his soulful/boom bappy side though. i think theres a lot more potential for that sound.

  

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75. "jyup"
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V.

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165. "LOL @ 'post Dilla'"
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wonky is pretty bad as a genre name
but post-Dilla is even worse

  

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26. "Great...another Sub-genre."
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27. "we learnt it from dance music lol"
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28. "wack ass name....but that sound is the future."
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29. "or at least the present for 2 years"
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30. "indeed...the present....future."
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31. "I call it "beats beats""
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35. "after "dilla dilla beats beats" from the beat tapes?"
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why not "deez nutz"?

  

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34. "it's funny i had never heard the term wonky before"
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until i took a trip to london about a month ago.

up unil that point i've had some trouble trying to define it myself, i mostly just called it beats by lack of a better name...

anyway, i've been following that whole movement for a while now. it's basically a lot of 80's babies like myself who "grew up" on dilla and dig electronica as well. flylo is definitely the leader of the movement to me, but it's worldwide. even eastern european kids are doin' it big these days. also, big up to maze from bts and benji b for getting all these myspace producers some exposure. that's how it blew up.

the lesson for the most part has been sleeping, i think it's pretty typical for the lesson in 08 to just call it wack because they're not familiar with it and you used a funny name. sure, like in every genre there's some weak stuff. but yeah, be on the look out. at least these kids keep it interesting

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57. "^^i like her."
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64. "so do i..."
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...so do i.

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36. "wonky? i heard that used to describe the harder uk produced 'funky house..."
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the stuff thats soca beat ish and more tribal like that wearing my rolex funky house remix




i love hudson mo's more obtuse stuff with the 'jagged' synths

flylo can but too soft and muzaky/forgettable

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38. "I love it, but not that silly name"
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Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

  

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40. "I been calling it Space-Hop"
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Wonky is when someone got a lazy eye or something.

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41. "Some of this shit just sounds like Dub Step though..."
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wonky hip hop?

who's the marketing genius coming up with these names

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48. "what sounds like dub step"
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cuz i tried to listen to some dub step and i did not hear that, at all

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44. "dabrye is one of the kings of this IMO"
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the instrumentals of his last album are pretty incredible IMO...

  

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45. "^^true....i'd say Jneiro Jarel too"
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46. "This thread needs more links"
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Sonically, some of this shit is amazing, but it leaves alot to be desired for me melodically..there's almost no melody in some of it

I'm reallly digging a few of hudsons tracks on "hudson heeters vol 1" though.

  

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47. "have you got a link to hudson heeters?"
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ill post some links in a bit.

  

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51. "RE: have you got a link to hudson heeters?"
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http://strictlybeats.blogspot.com/2008/07/hudson-mohawke.html

  

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52. "i think i heard this before and wasn't impressed..."
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53. "did you peep the whole thing?"
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Track 9 is the best to me that shit had me like whaaaat, 13 is sick, 14, 11, and 3 are pretty good too

  

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61. "this shit kinda reminds me of whatever 'glitch-hop' is"
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62. "see, it's IDM all over again! tell 'em!"
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88. "RE: this shit kinda reminds me of whatever 'glitch-hop' is"
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That's always what I called it.

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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50. "where does afta-1 fit in?"
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55. "kinggs.muxtape.com"
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56. "I got no idea what the fuck yall are talking about. Links?"
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60. ".."
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http://www.myspace.com/hudsonmo

http://www.myspace.com/flyinglotus

http://www.myspace.com/samiyambeats

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58. "after reading this thread... DREAM HOP = GAYEST SHIT EVER"
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dude... can you imagine saying in real life "oh im just listening to some dream hop" ... faggot written all over it


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59. "LMFAO!"
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>dude... can you imagine saying in real life "oh im just
>listening to some dream hop" ... faggot written all over it

i was thinkin that same shit

  

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howisya
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63. "i felt the same thing about dream POP."
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i've never used that phrase. i'll say shoegaze or just leave it at indie rock, post-rock, or post-punk.

i never called anything twee pop either except as an insult.

  

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65. "i can hear why warp signed hudson mohawke"
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just as i can hear why kelving wouldn't like him (i'm glad he ditched flying lotus, too)

  

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66. "they signed hudson? cool."
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67. "yeah, months ago"
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that's how i first heard of him, but i didn't listen to him until today. i thought his name was dumb and with all the wack acts warp was signing from 2004-2007 i thought he'd be yet another one. i think they're back on track though with him and flying lotus. battles, while good, is still a rock band and i'm not that pleased with warp chasing rock dollars.

  

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69. "i'm not sold on him yet..."
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...him or edIT, who i just got put onto

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70. "i'm not a big fan of edIT either"
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his older album 'crying over pros for no reason' just seemed derivative and bland but not outright bad. i haven't heard his newer album though. i guess the moral of the story is that there are a lot of avant-hop guys out there so don't get excited over every little thing as much of it is just ok.

i'm not totally won over by hudson mohawke either, but much of that 'heeters' mixtape is dope, and just about everything on his myspace page is cool, too. i'd listen to a proper album.

  

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72. "im listening to his newer album right now"
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more glitchy stuff, but less...'emotional' this time

edit: ok, enough of that

you should check this architeq - birds of prey ep tho, i think you'd dig it...lots of different things goin on, first track has some dabrye-ish synth work going on and some dnb nods

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78. "RE: im listening to his newer album right now"
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>you should check this architeq - birds of prey ep tho, i think
>you'd dig it...lots of different things goin on, first track
>has some dabrye-ish synth work going on and some dnb nods

it's not bad at all. a little too ADD for my tastes these days but that's personal preference. i used to have a link in my sig to a guy in new zealand who did something similar to this but with more humor and lightness and without the dub influence.

  

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80. "do u remember the name? i'd love to check it out"
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what's funny is i was friends with the guy on myspace for a label while, and then i heard about his ep elsewhere, go to his myspace, like what i'm hearing, go to add him as friend, but we're are already

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81. "RE: do u remember the name? i'd love to check it out"
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>what's funny is i was friends with the guy on myspace for a
>label while, and then i heard about his ep elsewhere, go to
>his myspace, like what i'm hearing, go to add him as friend,
>but we're are already

haha!

um the guy is called Orange Dust. back when i used to post on (some IDM message board) he was some 17 year old kid churning out these brilliant tracks on fruity loops, unsigned and with no desire whatsoever to be signed.
http://www.archive.org/details/EAR025
http://www.archive.org/details/EAR007
http://www.myspace.com/orangedust
http://www.last.fm/music/Orange+Dust/_/Glitchcraft?autostart

unfortunately, his early works, the ones i rave about to people, no longer have a web presence. if you happen to like the music above and want to know what i'm talking about, just let me know and i'll personally upload some favorite tracks.

  

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89. "RE: im listening to his newer album right now"
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>more glitchy stuff, but less...'emotional' this time

What's the name of the album?

Come to grips with the fact that most OKP's are of the Nut Hugger lineage, so, if you' re not part of the little cliques that exist 'round here, your posts will probably tank like Souljaboy's album sales.

  

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68. "RE: has the lesson discussed wonky hip hop yet?"
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=1797699&mesg_id=1797699&page=#1799469


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73. "i prefer blip hop"
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.....
NEW PRINCE MIX : SHUT UP, ALREADY, JAM !!

http://allyal3.podOmatic.com

Check Mixcloud Also >> http://www.mixcloud.com/AllyAl3000/

  

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77. "repackage it as new and get the kids talking again"
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82. "wonky sounds like a happy hardcore dj's name"
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"yeah wonky smashed it last night, innit!"

i could never say that to anyone and expect to keep any sort of credibility with them, maybe it's my age

.....
NEW PRINCE MIX : SHUT UP, ALREADY, JAM !!

http://allyal3.podOmatic.com

Check Mixcloud Also >> http://www.mixcloud.com/AllyAl3000/

  

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84. "Wonky Al Is In The Mix In The Mix In The Mix In The Mix ....."
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in the mix.....

https://tinyurl.com/y4ba6hog

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& your fool ass is cruising around in a time machine
trying to collect props for a couple of sociopathic degenerates" - s.blak

  

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79. "How many dillas clones need to be on 1 project?"
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http://soundcloud.com/phyziks

"Furthermore, the only high that I am feeling right now is my natural magnificence."-BarTek while face down in an 8-ball.

  

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howisya
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85. "for the few who actually like the "raise it up" beat"
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you'd probably enjoy this
http://downloads.pitchforkmedia.com/GHISLAIN%20POIRIER%20NINJA%20TUNE%20PODCAST.mp3
make sure to use up their bandwidth by spreading this link around

  

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100. "another good one"
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Ghislain Poirier - Bring The Fire Mix
http://www.zshare.net/audio/8477880858fc0c/

  

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90. "rustie on radio one (links)"
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http://core.thomaslaupstad.com/mary-anne-hobbs-experimental-2008-04-23-with-rustie/

hudson mo on MAH on radio 1
http://core.thomaslaupstad.com/mary-anne-hobbs-experimental-2008-07-30-birdy-nam-nam-vs-hudson-mohawke/

flying lo on MAH
http://core.thomaslaupstad.com/mary-anne-hobbs-experimental-2007-10-31-with-flying-lotus/

  

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91. "i kinda resent"
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that it's only exciting and relevant to some people if it's some newcomer

  

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92. "You don't see any difference between these new vs. old(er)?"
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>that it's only exciting and relevant to some people if it's
>some newcomer


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

  

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93. "i revise my earlier comment"
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about it being IDM all over again... and it's your boy flying lotus who helped me realize why. it's IDM + bass music. (now, some IDM *was* influenced by bass music, but not to the same degree as these current cats.) so that also helps me see why these seemingly less talented newcomers are so popular with the (ex-)hip-hop crowd, there's a little more common ground thanks to the bass music. but some of these artists just aren't that good IMO. i mean, they can't compose a melody to save their lives. it seems like people are going along with these artists as much because of the bass influence as because it's a faddish or trendy thing to do (while it's uncool to go back... it's always uncool, look at rock and hip-hop, it's cool to be up on the new artists, but going digging is not widely embraced).

  

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94. "I'm not so sure about this....."
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>it seems like people are going along with
>these artists as much because of the bass influence as because
>it's a faddish or trendy thing to do (while it's uncool to go
>back... it's always uncool, look at rock and hip-hop, it's
>cool to be up on the new artists, but going digging is not
>widely embraced).

Looking at the people who are up on these wonky cats, wouldn't this crowd be more apt TO dig and know some history......if for nothing else than to name drop and always have the trump card ("yeah, but what do you know about ____ from 98?")?

And on a side thought, when you and some others were poo-pooing Lone, one of ya'll said something to the effect of bigger or louder drums doesn't make an artist more interesting or "better".

Well, why not? Maybe not to you or others with your perspective, but maybe that DOES have more of an affect on how someone else might respond to these newer cats with the more pronounced bass and/or hip-hop influence. We're always arguing about so'n'so's drums being dope or wack, "soft" or beastly.

And something else I'ma throw out........I think folks are overstating the Dilla influence w/ some of these guys (in regards to the drums).
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

  

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95. "RE: I'm not so sure about this....."
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>Looking at the people who are up on these wonky cats, wouldn't
>this crowd be more apt TO dig and know some history......if
>for nothing else than to name drop and always have the trump
>card ("yeah, but what do you know about ____ from 98?")?

largely, they don't care, they're surface music fans (hipsters) coming from the perspective of other genres like rock and rap. that's been my impression. and some of the DJs touting these wonky hip-hop artists, some of whom *are* talented, don't get me wrong (flying lotus, jneiro, hudson), do know better, because they played or even still play some of the forefathers (TO MY NUTS!!! (c) soulja boy) on their shows, like mary ann hobbs. maybe their excuse is that IDM is no longer as good as it was, which i agree with, and dubstep shouldn't be the sole instrumental electronic genre they play, which i emphatically agree with.


>And on a side thought, when you and some others were
>poo-pooing Lone, one of ya'll said something to the effect of
>bigger or louder drums doesn't make an artist more interesting
>or "better".
>
>Well, why not?

i didn't say that and i don't necessarily agree... you can't make generalizations like that. it all depends on the creativity and skill of the individual artist. but making something more hip-hop for me doesn't make it better. also see: nu-metal.

anyway, specific to lone vs. BoC, BoC usually has banging hip-hop style drums, so that's really a non-comparison. but looking at instrumental music (hip-hop, electronic, or hybrid) overrall, there really is something to be said for appreciating subtlety and nuance in music without some loud ass drums spoiling it. sometimes understated drums or even clicking percussion noises enhance the melodies. this is why i can never have a serious conversation about electronic music with someone like amplifya, for example, these nuances mean nothing to him, electronic music is either for partying or it's to back a singer like bjork or be some kind of production effect or influence on rap or rock.


>And something else I'ma throw out........I think folks are
>overstating the Dilla influence w/ some of these guys (in
>regards to the drums).

the influence is definitely there, but i agree with you.

  

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99. "i scoff @ this:"
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>And something else I'ma throw out........I think folks are
>overstating the Dilla influence w/ some of these guys (in
>regards to the drums).

it may be a second-hand influence (meaning they got it from somebody else who was inspired by dilla) with SOME of them, but no matter how out-there some of these cats sound, when i go on their myspace page, He is in their top 8 as our parents might have a painting of Jesus or a cross when you walk in their house

i will say that whether directly influenced or otherwise, one common thing about the artists that people say these things about (everywhere besides detroit cats) is that the 'swing' or sloppyness is grossly exaggerated to the point of absurdity

at the end of the day, what people don't even realize is that it's not dilla that they have to thank for that style so much as it is rza circa 1995 (ob4cl)

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166. "you could take it back to Pete Rock if you wanted to get technical"
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even Primo was doing that earlier than RZA
but Primo didn't put emphasis on it as much as Pete, Dilla, and RZA did

  

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167. "what are we talkin about again?"
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168. "ting about the offbeat/drunken drum programming in Hip Hop music"
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at least that's what I was talking about lol
but I'm not of the ?uestlove opinion that 'RZA=accident, Dilla=on purpose so he's better'
I think that's a terrible argument and it doesn't hold up

  

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96. "Not wonky, but he was mentioned in this thread. Koushik."
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What does everybody think about the new album? I've been listening to it on and off for a couple of months and I have to say that it's one of the prettiest albums I've heard in a minute (yes, pretty). It makes me want to lay out in a field of daisies and play she loves me, she loves me not.

What other current dream pop(hop) artists should I be checking for? I fuck with High Places, Beach House, Caribou, Four Tet etc. Anybody else I should be hearing?

http://www.last.fm/user/_CondoM_/

  

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97. "That should arrive in my mail box sometimes this week"
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>I've been
>listening to it on and off for a couple of months and I have
>to say that it's one of the prettiest albums I've heard in a
>minute (yes, pretty). It makes me want to lay out in a field
>of daisies and play she loves me, she loves me not.

For me, it's more like floating around in slow motion w/ lens flares and washed out colors all over the place, but a field of daisies works, too.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

  

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98. "i'd like his music more if he didnt sing."
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his last album was dope, this one...not so much

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101. "hip-hop connection did something on this..."
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ive not got time to type it but heres the clipping - http://www.sendspace.com/file/rdz02a

  

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102. "what i like about wonky"
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is that even if some of it is like IDM/glitch hop (prefuse etc) in the sense that its like fractured hip hop beats that are quite serious/stiff/austere etc (some of hud mo's tracks here - http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=144993), i dont see the same superiority complex of a lot of idm fans/artists - theyre not looking down at dance music. and you also get more colourful and bouncy stuff like rustie http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=44665), joker, etc, who are at the total opposite spectrum to fly lo or lukid or whoever. thats got to be a good thing that its such a broad term (even if you hate the word wonky).


  

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103. "RE: what i like about wonky"
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name the idm artists who looked down on dance music.

  

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107. "maybe not artists"
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more the fans.

  

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109. "right, the ignorant ones"
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104. "Yo...this Hudson Mohawke cat is dope."
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_________________________________________________________
<--- Peace.

The greatest thing about opinions is that you can say "I disagree."

My instrumental projects:
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106. "Where do Four Tet and Bonobo fit in this equation?"
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108. "it's a new thing, they've been at it for years"
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i don't see how they're part of the so called movement, both time wise and musically speaking.

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110. "down in maryland"
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this ain't bad:
http://moovmnt.com/2008/11/12/00genesis-dream-catcher/

  

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111. "another mix"
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http://www.lo-la.co.uk/2008/06/22/new-mix-wonk-fonk/

Dilla beats intro
2tall - Killa - Unreleased
Dabrye - Truflle no Shuffle - Ghostly
Flying Lotus - wwwdot - July Heat
Heralds of Change - Sittin On the Side - All City
Piano Overlord - Track 3 - Money Studies
edIT - Laundry - Planet Mu
Dabrye ft Jay Dee and Phat Kat - Game Over (Flying Lotus remix) - Ghostly
FLYamSAM - The Offbeat - Ghostly Swim
Nosaj Thing - 1685 - unreleased
Bullion - Rude Effort - One-Handed Music
Harmonic 313 - Problem 7 - Warp
Bass Clef - Zero Eight Zero - Blank Tapes
Waajeed - Get Live - Fat City
Flying Lotus - Massage Situation - Warp
edIT - Certified Air Raid Material - Alpha Pup
Danny Breaks - Jellyfish - Alphabet Zoo
Heralds of Change - Work it - All City
Take aka Thomas 2000 - Lie-Twerx - Eat Concrete
J Dilla - Lightworks - Stones Throw
Ras G - Random Selection - P-Vine
Samiyam - Cheesecake Backslap - Hyperdub
Mike Slott - Knock Knock - All City
Take - Slouched Over (12″ edit) - Inner Current Recordings
Ooah - Hacksaw - Alpha Pup / GM unlimited
Hud Mo - Ooops! - Lucky Me x Wireblock
Megasoid - Soundbwoy Bass (inst) - unreleased
FOOL - Slaves (2tall remix) - Huw + Haw
Harmonic 313 - Call To Arms - Warp
Dabrye - Temper - Ghostly Swim
Joker - Gullybrook Lane - Soul Jazz
Zomby - Spliff Dub (Rustie remix) - Hyperdub
Quarta 330 - Sunset Dub - Hyperdub
Ikonika - Please - Hyperdub
Machinedrum - Don’t Ask Me (Sped up and Cut up mix) - Norm Rex
The Bug ft Spaceape - Fuckaz - Ninja Tune
Daedelus ft Paperboy and Taz - Touchstone - Ninja Tune
Heralds of Change ft Olivier Daysoul - Bopgunnn - All City
FOOL - Drama (Rustie remix) - Huw + Haw
Samiyam and Hudson Mohawke - Eff This - Red Bull
Flying Lotus - Camel - Warp
Hud Mo - Still On It - Lucky Me x Wireblock
Ghislain Poirier - La Ronde - Musique Large
Rustie - Clipper - Stuff
J Dilla - Trucks - Stones Throw
edIT ft Jay Dee and Phat Kat - The Game is Not Over - Alpha Pup / GM Unlimited
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112. "RE: another mix"
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last week i read that article and passed on downloading the mix. i wasn't feeling the bit rate and bulky file size for an unknown DJ, so i just searched for and found the last track in the mix. you listened to all of it, and it's good?

  

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113. "not yet.... i'm doing a lot of research on this whole thing though"
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hate the name but tracing the origins. looks like it started from a p*********k writer doing a piece on dubstep and grime. i like the fact that the guy in that link tries to bring it back home to hip-hop.

did you hear the flylo montreal live set? pretty cool, though i can't imagine myself actually in the setting, or rather enjoying my surroundings other than the music. i'd be at the bar getting drunk probably. not sure why, but that kind of disturbs me.

ultimately my research as found that as i posted above i am not wonky. unfortunately though i still don't know what i am *shrug* time will tell.

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114. "RE: not yet.... i'm doing a lot of research on this whole thing though"
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>hate the name but tracing the origins. looks like it started
>from a p*********k writer doing a piece on dubstep and grime.

that figures.


>did you hear the flylo montreal live set?

i thought about it. maybe friday if i don't forget.


>ultimately my research as found that as i posted above i am
>not wonky. unfortunately though i still don't know what i am
>*shrug* time will tell.

what if after all your searching you realize that i'm right, people aren't genres?

  

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115. "*shakes fist*"
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>what if after all your searching you realize that i'm right,
>people aren't genres?

tell that to the publicists.

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116. "I'm feeling it... a lot actually n/m"
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117. "that tracklisting looks delicious"
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118. "honestly, fly lo and mike slott are the only cats that matter imo"
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rustie's eps are wack (especially the cafe de phresh joint)

hud mo is dope, but i need to hear more from him. the polyfolk dance ep is up on boomkat, so i might cop.

his production with mike slott as "heralds of change" is sicker than his solo material.

oh, and zomby is pretty dope.

  

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119. "what about jneiro jarel?"
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and even waajeed although he works mostly with singers and rappers

i need to hear mike slott

  

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121. "I feel like he can (and does) do wonky, but he's not wonky"
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Meaning, he definitely has songs that you could easily slide into a setlist of wonky joy, but he's not quite as blatant with it on his projects. He has perfectly normal hip-hop and soul-ish type stuff.

He's also one of the best doing it today, but jokers seem hesitant to admit this.
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129. "have u heard his latest stuff? (album + free beat tape)"
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132. "Nope, saving for the weekend!"
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138. "Ahh man I've had that beat tape for a long time now"
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I think he had it up on his myspace or either I got it here. It's more JJ greatness, I'm not complaining, I just thought it was something I hadn't heard yet.

I saw that the EP is digital. Hmmm. I don't like mp3 albums much, but if it's something that's never gonna be released on cd or vinyl I might have to relent, but for now I'll hold off or wait till I stumble upon it.
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120. "Does Exile's Radio make him wonky?"
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127. "i dont think so."
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and im not entirely sure why not, cuz i understand why u brought him up.

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130. "too few lazers?"
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i kind of agree with you and that's kind of a problem that i have with the 'label.' in essence its more leaned in favor of its electronic influences than its hip-hop ones in which case hip-hop loses because it can be ignored for not being hip-hop enough. if that run on sentence makes sense. meanwhile i think radio is on par with los angeles, just a tad more hip-hop.

*shrug* still trying to figure out where my new shit fits into it all. did you peep the last PEMF vid - probably as wonky as I'll get.
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122. "I look forward to hearing some more from Mike Slott"
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He most def could slide in there with FlyLo and Lone as my current favorites to emerge from this scene.
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126. "Also Onra (although personally he's in the same boat as Jnero)"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18TFz5oMplQ

Wonky/dreamhop-ish^.

But then he has stuff that's perfectly normal hip-hop beats so I don't know.
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134. "I think Onra's in the Exile class"
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his shit last year was my favorite instrumental release of the year. YES over Los Angeles.
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135. "1.0.8?"
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intresting

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136. "yup."
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pretty much just a beat tape but it flows perfectly for my ears, and each joint is like a blueprint.

that said LA was a very close second.
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137. "ha, i try not to make a distinction..."
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...between the 'beat tapes' and the fleshed out, opusesque (new word!) instrumental stuff, because...well...arent there both kinds of albums in most genres? you have the records that are literally a collection of songs, and then you have the ones where you can tell the artist put thought into the tracklisting

however i see artists on boomkat naming their frickin album a 'beat tape', so, what can you do. in my day a 'beat tape' was somethin u gave to a rapper.

btw im 23.

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143. "RE: ha, i try not to make a distinction..."
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>...between the 'beat tapes' and the fleshed out, opusesque
>(new word!) instrumental stuff, because...well...arent there
>both kinds of albums in most genres? you have the records that
>are literally a collection of songs, and then you have the
>ones where you can tell the artist put thought into the
>tracklisting

yeah but i think beat tapes are becoming their own thing (not genre god not genre), in their intent. a beat tape originally was what you used to shop beats that you were hoping to get someone to spit on. They were intentionally just long enough to get the mc hooked in but not long enough for them to steal your shit and do it without you (this before the tech revolution and the ease of just looping that bitch). i think dilla made them rose to fame as their own entities. no one wants to rap over any of those beats, just put them out there for anyone to grab. to the point i think some are even foregoing the whole shop it to mc's side. like that onra joint i don't think had any mc's in mind (though i could see some mc's rapping over it). the interesting thing is that its the format that has prevailed as the latest wave of instrumental hip-hop. geared towards mc's the beat tape beat is heavy hit from the get and one dope change maybe two, maybe none. its just hit it and quit, hip-hop style, which is a far cry from the cinematic stuff laied down in the early instrumental hip-hop stuff (i'm thinking shadow mo wax ish stuff here not early early stuff). this short and concise factor is nice, especially when you get something like onra's joint which just hits you and keeps hitting you all the way out. but by example, i personally think the vocal and longer joints on Los Angeles cause it to lag a bit. the album is most effective when he's just hitting and quitting. hmmmm... i may have just come up with a new term. hit it and quit it beats.

>btw im 23.

I was off by about four years. You got a lot of good years ahead of you.

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123. "joker is great too"
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also pretty much any of the guys on hyperdub are killing it at the moment (though thats not so much wonky hip hop as just wonky in general)

  

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124. "i dont like his ep's either..."
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...but that zig zag track is HEAT

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139. "the first ep is still the best"
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the jagz the smack one.

  

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125. "btw the all city 7x7 beat series feat. hud mo, mike slott, snowman jack...."
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...from last year is dope, real dope

i compiled them into an album form...i dont really like listening to just two tracks

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128. "i kind of want to spin this off..."
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i really dislike going through threads over 100 posts. it gets annoying following it all.

some thoughts i've had recently about this 'sub-genre':

* its paired with dub-step and grime for the most part, less than hip-hop. i've been listening to them all together and so the rest of these sort of parallel all those genres.
* anyone been to a live event, what does the scene look like?
* live sets are a mix of laptop dj'ing, sound fx and some live production elements.
* longevity?
* where can it go from this point to avoid redundancy?
* can we please change the name?
* how many opus' tracks? a lot of what i hear are short concise joints with a couple of changes, is that the formula. is it a short attention span genre.
* should there be vocals? or would a wave of vocalism be a jump shark moment?
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131. "nobody really calls it 'wonky'..."
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...that's just one of the descriptions

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133. "maybe not the artists"
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but i've seen it referred to as such in at least 4-5 different press sources. *shrug*
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141. "RE: i kind of want to spin this off..."
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>* its paired with dub-step and grime for the most part, less
>than hip-hop. i've been listening to them all together and so
>the rest of these sort of parallel all those genres.

i still hear grime in a hip-hop context. grime is almost always rapping and beats.


>* longevity?

you know the answer to this question.


>is it a short attention span genre.

you know it is.

  

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144. "RE: i kind of want to spin this off..."
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>i still hear grime in a hip-hop context. grime is almost
>always rapping and beats.

i still don't know what grime is, but all the 'instrumental' mixes i'm listening to say dubstep grime and wonky. i guess the grime would be when there are mc's, but would that include us artists over uk beats? you linked a grime mix somewhere i never got to. gotta track that down.

>>* longevity?
>
>you know the answer to this question.
>

hmmmmmmm....

>>is it a short attention span genre.
>
>you know it is.

i think i tackled it in #143. but i think this goes back to my unanswered ? about vocalists. can it go beyond the hit it and quit it beat without jumping shark. I think that will also determine its longevity.

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145. "RE: i kind of want to spin this off..."
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>i still don't know what grime is, but all the 'instrumental'
>mixes i'm listening to say dubstep grime and wonky. i guess
>the grime would be when there are mc's

if you're listening to a mix that specifically says "dubstep grime and wonky" then of course you're going to get instrumental grime. that's like listening to an instrumental hip-hop mix and surmising that hip-hop doesn't have vocals. grime and hip-hop are mostly vocal genres. that said, dubstep can also have rapping. i tried to find the post where GumDrops broke it down for me.


>i think i tackled it in #143. but i think this goes back to
>my unanswered ? about vocalists. can it go beyond the hit it
>and quit it beat without jumping shark. I think that will
>also determine its longevity.

this goes way back to your autechre comment that you wish they'd take it to the next level by.... working with singers. :/ you know though if you still want to hear them with singers and rappers i have plenty of (official, not blended) remixes i could upload.

  

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146. "RE: i kind of want to spin this off..."
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>>i still don't know what grime is, but all the
>'instrumental'
>>mixes i'm listening to say dubstep grime and wonky. i guess
>>the grime would be when there are mc's
>
>if you're listening to a mix that specifically says "dubstep
>grime and wonky" then of course you're going to get
>instrumental grime. that's like listening to an instrumental
>hip-hop mix and surmising that hip-hop doesn't have vocals.

I think my question here is not whether or not it has vocals, but what distinguishes it musically?

>>i think i tackled it in #143. but i think this goes back to
>>my unanswered ? about vocalists. can it go beyond the hit
>it
>>and quit it beat without jumping shark. I think that will
>>also determine its longevity.
>
>this goes way back to your autechre comment that you wish
>they'd take it to the next level by.... working with singers.
>:/ you know though if you still want to hear them with singers
>and rappers i have plenty of (official, not blended) remixes i
>could upload.

you know i use vocalist, but proper would be instrumentalist. the reason i use vocalist being it seems taboo to add non electronic instruments to electronic music, but vocalist not so much (though you seem to disagree).

the point being having gone as far left as possible, explore the right and then utilize that to come up with something new. if you stay on the left forever you're bound to get redundant for some. while we amongst others loved quarstice i also saw it get panned pretty hard (unjustly imho) by folk who are just tired of autechre doing the autechre thing.

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148. "RE: i kind of want to spin this off..."
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>I think my question here is not whether or not it has vocals,
>but what distinguishes it musically?

from hip-hop or from dubstep? i'm of the seemingly unpopular opinion that grime *is* hip-hop. the UK also has its own more traditional hip-hop that is more like our rap music, while grime is usually seen as a branch off of UK garage and two-step... which themselves often have rapping! and dubstep, to me, is like slow IDM and even slower jungle/d'n'b mixed with UK garage. i'm not an expert in these genres so maybe GumDrops or some other brit can step in and explain the differences (you can probably also google this).


>you know i use vocalist, but proper would be instrumentalist.

that's how i feel, too, that a vocalist in autechre's hands is just another instrument in the mix, which isn't exactly next level, just par for the course. the singing in their remixes is usually burial-esque (10 years before burial), but the rapping is more interesting because, as b-boys, they don't meddle with it too much, they just change the music to be more like what you'd expect from ae.


>the reason i use vocalist being it seems taboo to add non
>electronic instruments to electronic music, but vocalist not
>so much (though you seem to disagree).

it's not really taboo at all, it's actually more like a step back. you already listen to some electronic music that adds "non-electronic" instruments (bjork), and another one of my old favorite groups is plaid and they add guitars. there is plenty of electronic music like this out there if that's what you want. i could put you in the right direction as could inpulse and many others here.

p-funk reference in 5... 4... 3...

who says an idm band can't play rock?
http://www.zshare.net/audio/549850182d33ff70/


>while we amongst others loved quarstice i also saw
>it get panned pretty hard (unjustly imho) by folk who are just
>tired of autechre doing the autechre thing.

so why cater to people who don't get it? i'm assuming these critics aren't of the electronic music variety?

anyway, there is merit to what you say, but i can't imagine ae giving any more concessions to the "right" than they did last year and their continual remix work for others.

  

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140. "btw...."
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...hudson's ep, "polyfunk dance"...shit. it's wonky/lazer bass/whateverthefuck/ but then he has that one cut that sounds like jeezy or t.i. should be on it ("overnight")

i seriously cannot wait to hear what type of shit he comes with on a full length

shit blew all of the other beat shit i been listenin to from 2009 out the fuckin water.

there are gonna be so many dudes bitin his shit, doin bad imitations in that scene this year, mark my words.

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142. "i'm guessing it's different than the all city joints"
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they were cool but just didn't stand out to me, to make me think i gotta investigate too much more. but on your word i just might. he has an autechre vibe to him, but a little too laid back if that makes sense.
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152. "a lot of those all city tracks sounded like they cd have been made"
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in 98. kinda zzzz i thought. im not sure about half the stuff that gets called wonky but a few guys are doing it for me, mainly the ones that dont sound like prefuse and instrumental hip hop stuff from ten years back (strangely tho, prefuses new album sounds like fly lo and dilla - not a bad thing).

  

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157. "think so? (re: prefuse's new ish)"
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>in 98. kinda zzzz i thought. im not sure about half the stuff
>that gets called wonky but a few guys are doing it for me,
>mainly the ones that dont sound like prefuse and instrumental
>hip hop stuff from ten years back (strangely tho, prefuses new
>album sounds like fly lo and dilla - not a bad thing).

i heard some cuts that definitely were fly/dilla-ish...now that you mention it.

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147. "non-wonky instrumental hip-hop?"
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(note: decided not to spinoff. i wonder how many folk come in here and get pissed off because its all discussion and few links. fuck em!!)

Glitch-hop. ediT got mentioned above. I really dig the new Glitch Mob.

Listening to Ras G now. Not wonky. And I'm mad because he sampled some shit _______ but otherwise i dig this shit a lot. Wait that was kinid of wonky. *shrug*

What is exile's radio?

yadda yadda yadda


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154. "afta-1 i would say is right in between"
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check out the song honey dip...

To people like US, a record is a piece of history. A moment in time.
Most people don't get it.

  

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156. "i think ras g automatically gets lumped in there..."
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>Listening to Ras G now. Not wonky. And I'm mad because he
>sampled some shit _______ but otherwise i dig this shit a lot.
> Wait that was kinid of wonky. *shrug*

...cuz he's on the west syyyyde. he's on some dirty breaks and samples shit. yeah, it's spacey, at times, but it's much more 90's inspired.

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149. "Mike Slott "My Lightbridge""
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playing this track i just think, this sounds like an orbital track at half-length where the beat never drops.

  

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150. "I feel like a lot of this stuff is just Dilla inspired"
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With a little extra atmosphere thrown in there. This dude Eddie that I met and have worked with would just call what he does hip hop but I think some of the stuff on his album that I heard you all would classify as "wonky." I don't quite get it.

Here's his myspace though this has some joints on it right now that are less atmospheric.
http://www.myspace.com/eddieismusic

  

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151. "new joker... which i love"
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melody reminds me directly of something from the 80s - japan or someone. but i dunno what/who.

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=160895

  

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155. "joker could be producin for some southern acts now"
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this shit is nice

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153. "this movement is probably the most interesting thing"
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happening in hip hop right now IMO

i was a bit late so i am revisiting a lot but if i start doing something i go all out.

Thats why i have collected a lot of tracks.

check out B. Bravo
http://www.myspace.com/bravobeats1

One of my dj friends is definitely some steps ahead of me.
Anyone interested in this type of music ( wonky is not the right term) should listen to his mixes.

www.paulpre.de

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159. "wonky pop"
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonky_Pop

WTF? are the people annointing these supposed movements just really bored?

  

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160. "that list of artists doesn't even sound alike"
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they all make catchy songs with singing..that's about it

alphabeat, florence and the machine, vv brown, and mika aren't even electronic at all

i'm glad you posted that because it made search Dan Black and I think this video/song is pretty cool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3imXNoszjg

  

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161. "RE: that list of artists doesn't even sound alike"
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>alphabeat, florence and the machine, vv brown, and mika aren't
>even electronic at all

i don't think it's necessarily supposed to be a sibling genre, just an overused british phrase that media lads weren't quite creative enough to find a synonym for before creating this stupid new "genre."

what i found more interesting is that the wiki articles for "Wonky (music)" and "Wonky techno" imply that they're two separate, even unrelated genres, and furthermore no one's proposed a merge of the articles. it never even crossed my mind that they would be considered unrelated genres or movements, since so much of what's called wonky hip-hop i'd really have to feel generous and quite libreal to consider hip-hop at all. it's not like hip-hop is the only genre with beats.

easter egg for the wonky nerds, check the creation date on the "Wonky techno" article. the year might surprise you.


>i'm glad you posted that because it made search Dan Black and
>I think this video/song is pretty cool...
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3imXNoszjg

i'll check it out.

  

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162. "simon says"
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get the fuck up
http://crosstalkchicago.com/newfeatures/audio/6DUB2%206blocc%20clips/A1_Simon%20Says_clip.mp3

  

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163. "zomby is the king of this right now. "
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just for anyone wondering. his hyperdub ep is TOO good.

  

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