as in the name being used for new producers like flying lotus, hudson mohawke, rustie, etc etc?

some articles worth looking through if not -
http://www.lo-la.co.uk/2008/05/18/wonky-bass-lazers/

http://www.lo-la.co.uk/2008/05/18/wonky-bass-lazers/

some of what ive heard isnt that diff from late 90s/early 00s instrumental hip hop but a lot of the other stuff guys like hudson and rustie are doing is a bit more interesting, not really 90s sounding at all, more drawing from crunk, and other electronic sounding beats but really warping it and making it sound like something fresh.

its corny to say its 'progressive' but its definitely good to hear some alternative twists on modern hip hop production. i dont really need to keep hearing variations on boom bap, which is where some of flying lo's beats bore me a bit - i find his more electronic beats more interesting and fresh, but this could end up being pretty cool, if these guys release more stuff and carry on in the way theyre doing so far.

i like the fact they all seem to know and respect each other and dont mind being seen as part of the same scene but they dont really sound like each other at all.

Wonky sounds like a description for wack country music or something, I would just classify Flying Lotus and kats like him as "instrumental hip-hop electronica" yeah I know it's kind of long but it describes better.

Bite sized Wonky candy, lol!

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wonky


http://recordsofhistory.wordpress.com/author/shaunbockert/
http://www.last.fm/user/whitenotion

lol

This Shit = Explicit Dilla Worship + IDM

It's appropriate that they've finally discovered an even worse name for the 'genre'.

and i dont think the genre hiphop should be included because there's no rapping...
just call it 'wonky' or whatever they wanna call it.

i call it wack.

so those old steinski tracks arent hip hop either cos theres no rapping on them?

those had rapping on them.

either way, the point is hip hop can be hip hop without rappers on the tracks. its kinda retarded to say instrumentals cant be hip hop.

>either way, the point is hip hop can be hip hop without
>rappers on the tracks. its kinda retarded to say instrumentals
>cant be hip hop.

that isnt what i was saying.
im saying this genre needs to have hiphop removed from it because it has little to nothing to do with hiphop.

dj shadow's wack-ass is more hiphop than these d00ds.

FWIW, id personally not include flylo as 'wonky', his music is kinda weird and wonky occasionally, but its more dreamlike. dream-hop maybe? :)

I'd think that would be more Koushik than FlyLo though.

since dream-hop rhymes with dream pop and that's the era of music koushik mines from

Flying lotus, Hudson Mohawke and Mike Slott are all really dope on the beats. There's an obvious hip-hop influence to their production, so dream-hop works for me.

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>Flying lotus, Hudson Mohawke and Mike Slott are all really
>dope on the beats. There's an obvious hip-hop influence to
>their production, so dream-hop works for me.

I haven't heard any Mike Slott stuff yet, but I think that Hudson Mo and Flylo have become monotonous as of late. Flylo's Los Angeles sounds like he made that album in his sleep and everything that I've heard from Hud Mo recently pales in comparison to everything I heard on the beat tape that was on the net last year.

But, I won't like, Flylo had me with 1983 and Reset. Ain't nothing messing with those.

>FWIW, id personally not include flylo as 'wonky', his music
>is kinda weird and wonky occasionally, but its more dreamlike.
>dream-hop maybe? :)


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

i like this so-called "wonky hip-hop" and dubstep but let's call these things what they are. IDM for a new generation.

cos thats what i see fly lo and wajeed and some of the other producers coming from... but better and more interesting. they still have the 90s hip hop sense of programming, theyre just doing something different with it, post-dilla.

blockhead and rjd2 made downtempo instrumental hip-hop or even trip-hop.


>cos thats what i see fly lo and wajeed and some of the other
>producers coming from...

i don't think flying lotus was overtly IDM until 'reset' and waajeed i'd never give that tag, even if he did put autechre in his 555 soul mix.


>but better and more interesting.

well, the old IDM artists from the '90s have been stale for most of this decade or have changed their sound with the times, if they still release anything at all. that doesn't change the fact that they released classics in their prime that have often aged very well (this is where i disagree with noz, who seems to slight the music he grew up on like he's ashamed of it rather than the crap he hypes up today).


>they
>still have the 90s hip hop sense of programming, theyre just
>doing something different with it, post-dilla.

yeah.

>(this is where i disagree with
>noz, who seems to slight the music he grew up on like he's
>ashamed of it rather than the crap he hypes up today).

We grew up together?

Hip hop is a lot more fun to write about than IDM. There are only so many ways to say 'Lush synth pads! Crunchy bass kicks! Skittery vocal samples!' Though I will say that much of the crap I hype up today is a branch from the same tree as the crap you hype up from yesterday. It all comes from 808s, electro, miami bass, etc.

i only take issue with the notion that you have an endless supply of metaphors and hyperbole for coke and gun rap but somehow nothing to say about "IDM." i think you just lack an audience that cares. you can write when you want to, i'll give you that.

that dont mean the music is wack.

Cause it aint....

That sound, sounds good.

I made a post about that Dorian kid....

That dude is a BEAST!

Heard this remix and was sold:
http://www.zshare.net/audio/15823118430b7153/

Shitty rip, but hot nonetheless...

Dimlite is nice.

Bullion, nice.

Overall...this lil sub genre is dope to me.

I call that shit "Dee hop"...lol

Jay Dee
Dee(troit) sound
etc...

This shit is for sure Dilla influenced IDM.

Good shit, though....

>Bullion, nice.

He's insane. I want a proper, full-length album.

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

the single i heard was good but a bit too too stainless. kinda clinical.

The first song *smh*:

http://www.myspace.com/bullionness

(I can't lie, I'm feeling all the joints on his page!!)

He had that free joint where all the sample material was from "Pet Sounds"......

Otherwise, the only thing I have is a couple of tracks that I cling to.

http://www.zshare.net/audio/15892723b1e04b01/

^This is probably my favorite Bullion track so far.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

...the pet sounds in the key of d?

lots of cats up on him in here, bruh...i think he has a record comin out

>...the pet sounds in the key of d?

Yes.

>lots of cats up on him in here, bruh...i think he has a record
>comin out

That's good to hear. I want at least an EP cuz like I said all I have is a bunch of random tracks. I wanna see how him hold down a proper release.
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

>Heard this remix and was sold:
>http://www.zshare.net/audio/15823118430b7153/
>
>Shitty rip, but hot nonetheless...

shitty rip and shitty remix IMO... i don't get it. it's like a crap hip-hop version of max tundra?

To each his own.

'wonky hip hop' is already big in the blogosphere lol.

also read it being called lazer bass.

itll be quoted in magazine articles soon.

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FOH w/ these stupid genre titles

and i like that sound.
when done right, it's the best "new music"

i prefer it when it takes dillas techno side over his soulful/boom bappy side though. i think theres a lot more potential for that sound.

V.

wonky is pretty bad as a genre name
but post-Dilla is even worse

.

why not "deez nutz"?

until i took a trip to london about a month ago.

up unil that point i've had some trouble trying to define it myself, i mostly just called it beats by lack of a better name...

anyway, i've been following that whole movement for a while now. it's basically a lot of 80's babies like myself who "grew up" on dilla and dig electronica as well. flylo is definitely the leader of the movement to me, but it's worldwide. even eastern european kids are doin' it big these days. also, big up to maze from bts and benji b for getting all these myspace producers some exposure. that's how it blew up.

the lesson for the most part has been sleeping, i think it's pretty typical for the lesson in 08 to just call it wack because they're not familiar with it and you used a funny name. sure, like in every genre there's some weak stuff. but yeah, be on the look out. at least these kids keep it interesting

...so do i.

the stuff thats soca beat ish and more tribal like that wearing my rolex funky house remix




i love hudson mo's more obtuse stuff with the 'jagged' synths

flylo can but too soft and muzaky/forgettable

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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

Wonky is when someone got a lazy eye or something.

wonky hip hop?

who's the marketing genius coming up with these names

cuz i tried to listen to some dub step and i did not hear that, at all

the instrumentals of his last album are pretty incredible IMO...

Sonically, some of this shit is amazing, but it leaves alot to be desired for me melodically..there's almost no melody in some of it

I'm reallly digging a few of hudsons tracks on "hudson heeters vol 1" though.

ill post some links in a bit.

http://strictlybeats.blogspot.com/2008/07/hudson-mohawke.html

Track 9 is the best to me that shit had me like whaaaat, 13 is sick, 14, 11, and 3 are pretty good too

That's always what I called it.

http://www.myspace.com/hudsonmo

http://www.myspace.com/flyinglotus

http://www.myspace.com/samiyambeats

dude... can you imagine saying in real life "oh im just listening to some dream hop" ... faggot written all over it


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>dude... can you imagine saying in real life "oh im just
>listening to some dream hop" ... faggot written all over it

i was thinkin that same shit

i've never used that phrase. i'll say shoegaze or just leave it at indie rock, post-rock, or post-punk.

i never called anything twee pop either except as an insult.

just as i can hear why kelving wouldn't like him (i'm glad he ditched flying lotus, too)

that's how i first heard of him, but i didn't listen to him until today. i thought his name was dumb and with all the wack acts warp was signing from 2004-2007 i thought he'd be yet another one. i think they're back on track though with him and flying lotus. battles, while good, is still a rock band and i'm not that pleased with warp chasing rock dollars.

...him or edIT, who i just got put onto

his older album 'crying over pros for no reason' just seemed derivative and bland but not outright bad. i haven't heard his newer album though. i guess the moral of the story is that there are a lot of avant-hop guys out there so don't get excited over every little thing as much of it is just ok.

i'm not totally won over by hudson mohawke either, but much of that 'heeters' mixtape is dope, and just about everything on his myspace page is cool, too. i'd listen to a proper album.

more glitchy stuff, but less...'emotional' this time

edit: ok, enough of that

you should check this architeq - birds of prey ep tho, i think you'd dig it...lots of different things goin on, first track has some dabrye-ish synth work going on and some dnb nods

>you should check this architeq - birds of prey ep tho, i think
>you'd dig it...lots of different things goin on, first track
>has some dabrye-ish synth work going on and some dnb nods

it's not bad at all. a little too ADD for my tastes these days but that's personal preference. i used to have a link in my sig to a guy in new zealand who did something similar to this but with more humor and lightness and without the dub influence.

what's funny is i was friends with the guy on myspace for a label while, and then i heard about his ep elsewhere, go to his myspace, like what i'm hearing, go to add him as friend, but we're are already

>what's funny is i was friends with the guy on myspace for a
>label while, and then i heard about his ep elsewhere, go to
>his myspace, like what i'm hearing, go to add him as friend,
>but we're are already

haha!

um the guy is called Orange Dust. back when i used to post on (some IDM message board) he was some 17 year old kid churning out these brilliant tracks on fruity loops, unsigned and with no desire whatsoever to be signed.
http://www.archive.org/details/EAR025
http://www.archive.org/details/EAR007
http://www.myspace.com/orangedust
http://www.last.fm/music/Orange+Dust/_/Glitchcraft?autostart

unfortunately, his early works, the ones i rave about to people, no longer have a web presence. if you happen to like the music above and want to know what i'm talking about, just let me know and i'll personally upload some favorite tracks.

>more glitchy stuff, but less...'emotional' this time

What's the name of the album?

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=1797699&mesg_id=1797699&page=#1799469


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i could never say that to anyone and expect to keep any sort of credibility with them, maybe it's my age

in the mix.....

you'd probably enjoy this
http://downloads.pitchforkmedia.com/GHISLAIN%20POIRIER%20NINJA%20TUNE%20PODCAST.mp3
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Ghislain Poirier - Bring The Fire Mix
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http://core.thomaslaupstad.com/mary-anne-hobbs-experimental-2008-04-23-with-rustie/

hudson mo on MAH on radio 1
http://core.thomaslaupstad.com/mary-anne-hobbs-experimental-2008-07-30-birdy-nam-nam-vs-hudson-mohawke/

flying lo on MAH
http://core.thomaslaupstad.com/mary-anne-hobbs-experimental-2007-10-31-with-flying-lotus/

that it's only exciting and relevant to some people if it's some newcomer

>that it's only exciting and relevant to some people if it's
>some newcomer


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

about it being IDM all over again... and it's your boy flying lotus who helped me realize why. it's IDM + bass music. (now, some IDM *was* influenced by bass music, but not to the same degree as these current cats.) so that also helps me see why these seemingly less talented newcomers are so popular with the (ex-)hip-hop crowd, there's a little more common ground thanks to the bass music. but some of these artists just aren't that good IMO. i mean, they can't compose a melody to save their lives. it seems like people are going along with these artists as much because of the bass influence as because it's a faddish or trendy thing to do (while it's uncool to go back... it's always uncool, look at rock and hip-hop, it's cool to be up on the new artists, but going digging is not widely embraced).

>it seems like people are going along with
>these artists as much because of the bass influence as because
>it's a faddish or trendy thing to do (while it's uncool to go
>back... it's always uncool, look at rock and hip-hop, it's
>cool to be up on the new artists, but going digging is not
>widely embraced).

Looking at the people who are up on these wonky cats, wouldn't this crowd be more apt TO dig and know some history......if for nothing else than to name drop and always have the trump card ("yeah, but what do you know about ____ from 98?")?

And on a side thought, when you and some others were poo-pooing Lone, one of ya'll said something to the effect of bigger or louder drums doesn't make an artist more interesting or "better".

Well, why not? Maybe not to you or others with your perspective, but maybe that DOES have more of an affect on how someone else might respond to these newer cats with the more pronounced bass and/or hip-hop influence. We're always arguing about so'n'so's drums being dope or wack, "soft" or beastly.

And something else I'ma throw out........I think folks are overstating the Dilla influence w/ some of these guys (in regards to the drums).
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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

>Looking at the people who are up on these wonky cats, wouldn't
>this crowd be more apt TO dig and know some history......if
>for nothing else than to name drop and always have the trump
>card ("yeah, but what do you know about ____ from 98?")?

largely, they don't care, they're surface music fans (hipsters) coming from the perspective of other genres like rock and rap. that's been my impression. and some of the DJs touting these wonky hip-hop artists, some of whom *are* talented, don't get me wrong (flying lotus, jneiro, hudson), do know better, because they played or even still play some of the forefathers (TO MY NUTS!!! (c) soulja boy) on their shows, like mary ann hobbs. maybe their excuse is that IDM is no longer as good as it was, which i agree with, and dubstep shouldn't be the sole instrumental electronic genre they play, which i emphatically agree with.


>And on a side thought, when you and some others were
>poo-pooing Lone, one of ya'll said something to the effect of
>bigger or louder drums doesn't make an artist more interesting
>or "better".
>
>Well, why not?

i didn't say that and i don't necessarily agree... you can't make generalizations like that. it all depends on the creativity and skill of the individual artist. but making something more hip-hop for me doesn't make it better. also see: nu-metal.

anyway, specific to lone vs. BoC, BoC usually has banging hip-hop style drums, so that's really a non-comparison. but looking at instrumental music (hip-hop, electronic, or hybrid) overrall, there really is something to be said for appreciating subtlety and nuance in music without some loud ass drums spoiling it. sometimes understated drums or even clicking percussion noises enhance the melodies. this is why i can never have a serious conversation about electronic music with someone like amplifya, for example, these nuances mean nothing to him, electronic music is either for partying or it's to back a singer like bjork or be some kind of production effect or influence on rap or rock.


>And something else I'ma throw out........I think folks are
>overstating the Dilla influence w/ some of these guys (in
>regards to the drums).

the influence is definitely there, but i agree with you.

>And something else I'ma throw out........I think folks are
>overstating the Dilla influence w/ some of these guys (in
>regards to the drums).

it may be a second-hand influence (meaning they got it from somebody else who was inspired by dilla) with SOME of them, but no matter how out-there some of these cats sound, when i go on their myspace page, He is in their top 8 as our parents might have a painting of Jesus or a cross when you walk in their house

i will say that whether directly influenced or otherwise, one common thing about the artists that people say these things about (everywhere besides detroit cats) is that the 'swing' or sloppyness is grossly exaggerated to the point of absurdity

at the end of the day, what people don't even realize is that it's not dilla that they have to thank for that style so much as it is rza circa 1995 (ob4cl)

even Primo was doing that earlier than RZA
but Primo didn't put emphasis on it as much as Pete, Dilla, and RZA did

at least that's what I was talking about lol
but I'm not of the ?uestlove opinion that 'RZA=accident, Dilla=on purpose so he's better'
I think that's a terrible argument and it doesn't hold up

What does everybody think about the new album? I've been listening to it on and off for a couple of months and I have to say that it's one of the prettiest albums I've heard in a minute (yes, pretty). It makes me want to lay out in a field of daisies and play she loves me, she loves me not.

What other current dream pop(hop) artists should I be checking for? I fuck with High Places, Beach House, Caribou, Four Tet etc. Anybody else I should be hearing?

>I've been
>listening to it on and off for a couple of months and I have
>to say that it's one of the prettiest albums I've heard in a
>minute (yes, pretty). It makes me want to lay out in a field
>of daisies and play she loves me, she loves me not.

For me, it's more like floating around in slow motion w/ lens flares and washed out colors all over the place, but a field of daisies works, too.


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I don't like the beat anymore because its just a loop. ALC didn't FLIP IT ENOUGH!

Flip it enough? Flip these. Flip off. Go flip some f*cking burgers. (c) Kno

his last album was dope, this one...not so much

ive not got time to type it but heres the clipping - http://www.sendspace.com/file/rdz02a

is that even if some of it is like IDM/glitch hop (prefuse etc) in the sense that its like fractured hip hop beats that are quite serious/stiff/austere etc (some of hud mo's tracks here - http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=144993), i dont see the same superiority complex of a lot of idm fans/artists - theyre not looking down at dance music. and you also get more colourful and bouncy stuff like rustie http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=44665), joker, etc, who are at the total opposite spectrum to fly lo or lukid or whoever. thats got to be a good thing that its such a broad term (even if you hate the word wonky).

name the idm artists who looked down on dance music.

more the fans.

i don't see how they're part of the so called movement, both time wise and musically speaking.

this ain't bad:
http://moovmnt.com/2008/11/12/00genesis-dream-catcher/

http://www.lo-la.co.uk/2008/06/22/new-mix-wonk-fonk/

Dilla beats intro
2tall - Killa - Unreleased
Dabrye - Truflle no Shuffle - Ghostly
Flying Lotus - wwwdot - July Heat
Heralds of Change - Sittin On the Side - All City
Piano Overlord - Track 3 - Money Studies
edIT - Laundry - Planet Mu
Dabrye ft Jay Dee and Phat Kat - Game Over (Flying Lotus remix) - Ghostly
FLYamSAM - The Offbeat - Ghostly Swim
Nosaj Thing - 1685 - unreleased
Bullion - Rude Effort - One-Handed Music
Harmonic 313 - Problem 7 - Warp
Bass Clef - Zero Eight Zero - Blank Tapes
Waajeed - Get Live - Fat City
Flying Lotus - Massage Situation - Warp
edIT - Certified Air Raid Material - Alpha Pup
Danny Breaks - Jellyfish - Alphabet Zoo
Heralds of Change - Work it - All City
Take aka Thomas 2000 - Lie-Twerx - Eat Concrete
J Dilla - Lightworks - Stones Throw
Ras G - Random Selection - P-Vine
Samiyam - Cheesecake Backslap - Hyperdub
Mike Slott - Knock Knock - All City
Take - Slouched Over (12″ edit) - Inner Current Recordings
Ooah - Hacksaw - Alpha Pup / GM unlimited
Hud Mo - Ooops! - Lucky Me x Wireblock
Megasoid - Soundbwoy Bass (inst) - unreleased
FOOL - Slaves (2tall remix) - Huw + Haw
Harmonic 313 - Call To Arms - Warp
Dabrye - Temper - Ghostly Swim
Joker - Gullybrook Lane - Soul Jazz
Zomby - Spliff Dub (Rustie remix) - Hyperdub
Quarta 330 - Sunset Dub - Hyperdub
Ikonika - Please - Hyperdub
Machinedrum - Don’t Ask Me (Sped up and Cut up mix) - Norm Rex
The Bug ft Spaceape - Fuckaz - Ninja Tune
Daedelus ft Paperboy and Taz - Touchstone - Ninja Tune
Heralds of Change ft Olivier Daysoul - Bopgunnn - All City
FOOL - Drama (Rustie remix) - Huw + Haw
Samiyam and Hudson Mohawke - Eff This - Red Bull
Flying Lotus - Camel - Warp
Hud Mo - Still On It - Lucky Me x Wireblock
Ghislain Poirier - La Ronde - Musique Large
Rustie - Clipper - Stuff
J Dilla - Trucks - Stones Throw
edIT ft Jay Dee and Phat Kat - The Game is Not Over - Alpha Pup / GM Unlimited
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last week i read that article and passed on downloading the mix. i wasn't feeling the bit rate and bulky file size for an unknown DJ, so i just searched for and found the last track in the mix. you listened to all of it, and it's good?

hate the name but tracing the origins. looks like it started from a p*********k writer doing a piece on dubstep and grime. i like the fact that the guy in that link tries to bring it back home to hip-hop.

did you hear the flylo montreal live set? pretty cool, though i can't imagine myself actually in the setting, or rather enjoying my surroundings other than the music. i'd be at the bar getting drunk probably. not sure why, but that kind of disturbs me.

ultimately my research as found that as i posted above i am not wonky. unfortunately though i still don't know what i am *shrug* time will tell.

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>hate the name but tracing the origins. looks like it started
>from a p*********k writer doing a piece on dubstep and grime.

that figures.


>did you hear the flylo montreal live set?

i thought about it. maybe friday if i don't forget.


>ultimately my research as found that as i posted above i am
>not wonky. unfortunately though i still don't know what i am
>*shrug* time will tell.

what if after all your searching you realize that i'm right, people aren't genres?

>what if after all your searching you realize that i'm right,
>people aren't genres?

tell that to the publicists.

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rustie's eps are wack (especially the cafe de phresh joint)

hud mo is dope, but i need to hear more from him. the polyfolk dance ep is up on boomkat, so i might cop.

his production with mike slott as "heralds of change" is sicker than his solo material.

oh, and zomby is pretty dope.

and even waajeed although he works mostly with singers and rappers

i need to hear mike slott

Meaning, he definitely has songs that you could easily slide into a setlist of wonky joy, but he's not quite as blatant with it on his projects. He has perfectly normal hip-hop and soul-ish type stuff.

He's also one of the best doing it today, but jokers seem hesitant to admit this.
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I think he had it up on his myspace or either I got it here. It's more JJ greatness, I'm not complaining, I just thought it was something I hadn't heard yet.

I saw that the EP is digital. Hmmm. I don't like mp3 albums much, but if it's something that's never gonna be released on cd or vinyl I might have to relent, but for now I'll hold off or wait till I stumble upon it.
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and im not entirely sure why not, cuz i understand why u brought him up.

i kind of agree with you and that's kind of a problem that i have with the 'label.' in essence its more leaned in favor of its electronic influences than its hip-hop ones in which case hip-hop loses because it can be ignored for not being hip-hop enough. if that run on sentence makes sense. meanwhile i think radio is on par with los angeles, just a tad more hip-hop.

*shrug* still trying to figure out where my new shit fits into it all. did you peep the last PEMF vid - probably as wonky as I'll get.
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He most def could slide in there with FlyLo and Lone as my current favorites to emerge from this scene.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18TFz5oMplQ

Wonky/dreamhop-ish^.

But then he has stuff that's perfectly normal hip-hop beats so I don't know.
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his shit last year was my favorite instrumental release of the year. YES over Los Angeles.
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intresting

pretty much just a beat tape but it flows perfectly for my ears, and each joint is like a blueprint.

that said LA was a very close second.
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...between the 'beat tapes' and the fleshed out, opusesque (new word!) instrumental stuff, because...well...arent there both kinds of albums in most genres? you have the records that are literally a collection of songs, and then you have the ones where you can tell the artist put thought into the tracklisting

however i see artists on boomkat naming their frickin album a 'beat tape', so, what can you do. in my day a 'beat tape' was somethin u gave to a rapper.

btw im 23.

>...between the 'beat tapes' and the fleshed out, opusesque
>(new word!) instrumental stuff, because...well...arent there
>both kinds of albums in most genres? you have the records that
>are literally a collection of songs, and then you have the
>ones where you can tell the artist put thought into the
>tracklisting

yeah but i think beat tapes are becoming their own thing (not genre god not genre), in their intent. a beat tape originally was what you used to shop beats that you were hoping to get someone to spit on. They were intentionally just long enough to get the mc hooked in but not long enough for them to steal your shit and do it without you (this before the tech revolution and the ease of just looping that bitch). i think dilla made them rose to fame as their own entities. no one wants to rap over any of those beats, just put them out there for anyone to grab. to the point i think some are even foregoing the whole shop it to mc's side. like that onra joint i don't think had any mc's in mind (though i could see some mc's rapping over it). the interesting thing is that its the format that has prevailed as the latest wave of instrumental hip-hop. geared towards mc's the beat tape beat is heavy hit from the get and one dope change maybe two, maybe none. its just hit it and quit, hip-hop style, which is a far cry from the cinematic stuff laied down in the early instrumental hip-hop stuff (i'm thinking shadow mo wax ish stuff here not early early stuff). this short and concise factor is nice, especially when you get something like onra's joint which just hits you and keeps hitting you all the way out. but by example, i personally think the vocal and longer joints on Los Angeles cause it to lag a bit. the album is most effective when he's just hitting and quitting. hmmmm... i may have just come up with a new term. hit it and quit it beats. :)

>btw im 23.

I was off by about four years. You got a lot of good years ahead of you.

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also pretty much any of the guys on hyperdub are killing it at the moment (though thats not so much wonky hip hop as just wonky in general)

...but that zig zag track is HEAT

the jagz the smack one.

...from last year is dope, real dope

i compiled them into an album form...i dont really like listening to just two tracks

i really dislike going through threads over 100 posts. it gets annoying following it all.

some thoughts i've had recently about this 'sub-genre':

* its paired with dub-step and grime for the most part, less than hip-hop. i've been listening to them all together and so the rest of these sort of parallel all those genres.
* anyone been to a live event, what does the scene look like?
* live sets are a mix of laptop dj'ing, sound fx and some live production elements.
* longevity?
* where can it go from this point to avoid redundancy?
* can we please change the name?
* how many opus' tracks? a lot of what i hear are short concise joints with a couple of changes, is that the formula. is it a short attention span genre.
* should there be vocals? or would a wave of vocalism be a jump shark moment?
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...that's just one of the descriptions

but i've seen it referred to as such in at least 4-5 different press sources. *shrug*
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>* its paired with dub-step and grime for the most part, less
>than hip-hop. i've been listening to them all together and so
>the rest of these sort of parallel all those genres.

i still hear grime in a hip-hop context. grime is almost always rapping and beats.


>* longevity?

you know the answer to this question.


>is it a short attention span genre.

you know it is.

>i still hear grime in a hip-hop context. grime is almost
>always rapping and beats.

i still don't know what grime is, but all the 'instrumental' mixes i'm listening to say dubstep grime and wonky. i guess the grime would be when there are mc's, but would that include us artists over uk beats? you linked a grime mix somewhere i never got to. gotta track that down.

>>* longevity?
>
>you know the answer to this question.
>

hmmmmmmm....

>>is it a short attention span genre.
>
>you know it is.

i think i tackled it in #143. but i think this goes back to my unanswered ? about vocalists. can it go beyond the hit it and quit it beat without jumping shark. I think that will also determine its longevity.

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>i still don't know what grime is, but all the 'instrumental'
>mixes i'm listening to say dubstep grime and wonky. i guess
>the grime would be when there are mc's

if you're listening to a mix that specifically says "dubstep grime and wonky" then of course you're going to get instrumental grime. that's like listening to an instrumental hip-hop mix and surmising that hip-hop doesn't have vocals. grime and hip-hop are mostly vocal genres. that said, dubstep can also have rapping. i tried to find the post where GumDrops broke it down for me.


>i think i tackled it in #143. but i think this goes back to
>my unanswered ? about vocalists. can it go beyond the hit it
>and quit it beat without jumping shark. I think that will
>also determine its longevity.

this goes way back to your autechre comment that you wish they'd take it to the next level by.... working with singers. :/ you know though if you still want to hear them with singers and rappers i have plenty of (official, not blended) remixes i could upload.

>>i still don't know what grime is, but all the
>'instrumental'
>>mixes i'm listening to say dubstep grime and wonky. i guess
>>the grime would be when there are mc's
>
>if you're listening to a mix that specifically says "dubstep
>grime and wonky" then of course you're going to get
>instrumental grime. that's like listening to an instrumental
>hip-hop mix and surmising that hip-hop doesn't have vocals.

I think my question here is not whether or not it has vocals, but what distinguishes it musically?

>>i think i tackled it in #143. but i think this goes back to
>>my unanswered ? about vocalists. can it go beyond the hit
>it
>>and quit it beat without jumping shark. I think that will
>>also determine its longevity.
>
>this goes way back to your autechre comment that you wish
>they'd take it to the next level by.... working with singers.
>:/ you know though if you still want to hear them with singers
>and rappers i have plenty of (official, not blended) remixes i
>could upload.

you know i use vocalist, but proper would be instrumentalist. the reason i use vocalist being it seems taboo to add non electronic instruments to electronic music, but vocalist not so much (though you seem to disagree).

the point being having gone as far left as possible, explore the right and then utilize that to come up with something new. if you stay on the left forever you're bound to get redundant for some. while we amongst others loved quarstice i also saw it get panned pretty hard (unjustly imho) by folk who are just tired of autechre doing the autechre thing.

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>I think my question here is not whether or not it has vocals,
>but what distinguishes it musically?

from hip-hop or from dubstep? i'm of the seemingly unpopular opinion that grime *is* hip-hop. the UK also has its own more traditional hip-hop that is more like our rap music, while grime is usually seen as a branch off of UK garage and two-step... which themselves often have rapping! and dubstep, to me, is like slow IDM and even slower jungle/d'n'b mixed with UK garage. i'm not an expert in these genres so maybe GumDrops or some other brit can step in and explain the differences (you can probably also google this).


>you know i use vocalist, but proper would be instrumentalist.

that's how i feel, too, that a vocalist in autechre's hands is just another instrument in the mix, which isn't exactly next level, just par for the course. the singing in their remixes is usually burial-esque (10 years before burial), but the rapping is more interesting because, as b-boys, they don't meddle with it too much, they just change the music to be more like what you'd expect from ae.


>the reason i use vocalist being it seems taboo to add non
>electronic instruments to electronic music, but vocalist not
>so much (though you seem to disagree).

it's not really taboo at all, it's actually more like a step back. you already listen to some electronic music that adds "non-electronic" instruments (bjork), and another one of my old favorite groups is plaid and they add guitars. there is plenty of electronic music like this out there if that's what you want. i could put you in the right direction as could inpulse and many others here.

p-funk reference in 5... 4... 3...

who says an idm band can't play rock?
http://www.zshare.net/audio/549850182d33ff70/


>while we amongst others loved quarstice i also saw
>it get panned pretty hard (unjustly imho) by folk who are just
>tired of autechre doing the autechre thing.

so why cater to people who don't get it? i'm assuming these critics aren't of the electronic music variety?

anyway, there is merit to what you say, but i can't imagine ae giving any more concessions to the "right" than they did last year and their continual remix work for others.

...hudson's ep, "polyfunk dance"...shit. it's wonky/lazer bass/whateverthefuck/ but then he has that one cut that sounds like jeezy or t.i. should be on it ("overnight")

i seriously cannot wait to hear what type of shit he comes with on a full length

shit blew all of the other beat shit i been listenin to from 2009 out the fuckin water.

there are gonna be so many dudes bitin his shit, doin bad imitations in that scene this year, mark my words.

they were cool but just didn't stand out to me, to make me think i gotta investigate too much more. but on your word i just might. he has an autechre vibe to him, but a little too laid back if that makes sense.
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in 98. kinda zzzz i thought. im not sure about half the stuff that gets called wonky but a few guys are doing it for me, mainly the ones that dont sound like prefuse and instrumental hip hop stuff from ten years back (strangely tho, prefuses new album sounds like fly lo and dilla - not a bad thing).

>in 98. kinda zzzz i thought. im not sure about half the stuff
>that gets called wonky but a few guys are doing it for me,
>mainly the ones that dont sound like prefuse and instrumental
>hip hop stuff from ten years back (strangely tho, prefuses new
>album sounds like fly lo and dilla - not a bad thing).

i heard some cuts that definitely were fly/dilla-ish...now that you mention it.

(note: decided not to spinoff. i wonder how many folk come in here and get pissed off because its all discussion and few links. fuck em!!)

Glitch-hop. ediT got mentioned above. I really dig the new Glitch Mob.

Listening to Ras G now. Not wonky. And I'm mad because he sampled some shit _______ but otherwise i dig this shit a lot. Wait that was kinid of wonky. *shrug*

What is exile's radio?

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check out the song honey dip...

>Listening to Ras G now. Not wonky. And I'm mad because he
>sampled some shit _______ but otherwise i dig this shit a lot.
> Wait that was kinid of wonky. *shrug*

...cuz he's on the west syyyyde. he's on some dirty breaks and samples shit. yeah, it's spacey, at times, but it's much more 90's inspired.

playing this track i just think, this sounds like an orbital track at half-length where the beat never drops.

With a little extra atmosphere thrown in there. This dude Eddie that I met and have worked with would just call what he does hip hop but I think some of the stuff on his album that I heard you all would classify as "wonky." I don't quite get it.

Here's his myspace though this has some joints on it right now that are less atmospheric.
http://www.myspace.com/eddieismusic

melody reminds me directly of something from the 80s - japan or someone. but i dunno what/who.

http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?id=160895

this shit is nice

happening in hip hop right now IMO

i was a bit late so i am revisiting a lot but if i start doing something i go all out.

Thats why i have collected a lot of tracks.

check out B. Bravo
http://www.myspace.com/bravobeats1

One of my dj friends is definitely some steps ahead of me.
Anyone interested in this type of music ( wonky is not the right term) should listen to his mixes.

www.paulpre.de

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wonky_Pop

WTF? are the people annointing these supposed movements just really bored?

they all make catchy songs with singing..that's about it

alphabeat, florence and the machine, vv brown, and mika aren't even electronic at all

i'm glad you posted that because it made search Dan Black and I think this video/song is pretty cool... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3imXNoszjg

>alphabeat, florence and the machine, vv brown, and mika aren't
>even electronic at all

i don't think it's necessarily supposed to be a sibling genre, just an overused british phrase that media lads weren't quite creative enough to find a synonym for before creating this stupid new "genre."

what i found more interesting is that the wiki articles for "Wonky (music)" and "Wonky techno" imply that they're two separate, even unrelated genres, and furthermore no one's proposed a merge of the articles. it never even crossed my mind that they would be considered unrelated genres or movements, since so much of what's called wonky hip-hop i'd really have to feel generous and quite libreal to consider hip-hop at all. it's not like hip-hop is the only genre with beats.

easter egg for the wonky nerds, check the creation date on the "Wonky techno" article. the year might surprise you.


>i'm glad you posted that because it made search Dan Black and
>I think this video/song is pretty cool...
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3imXNoszjg

i'll check it out.

get the fuck up
http://crosstalkchicago.com/newfeatures/audio/6DUB2%206blocc%20clips/A1_Simon%20Says_clip.mp3

just for anyone wondering. his hyperdub ep is TOO good.