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>What's with all of this, "if you like hyphy, then you've
>never been to Oakland and/or you don't undertsand black
>people" garbage that some of y'all are spitting in this
>thread?
I never said that... what i was saying in regards to this, is that at the age YOU are if you still calculate having dangerous fun and making a noise musically in the mainstream is greater than reducing the murder rate, teen pregnancy, drunk driving, drug abuse, unemployment, and a piss poor graduation rate in the city... You're a muthafucking fool!!!
>I lived in the East Bay for 5 years, from 97-02. My wife went
>to Mills, located right in East O. We didn't have a car for
>most of that time. So it was BART, AC Transit, bicycles, and
>sneakers. As my man Eyecue put it, "I walk through places that
>your punk ass is scared to ride through".
1. Mills is a private college in a gated surrounding surrounded by freeways with direct access out of the flatlands... dont mislead people into thinking its Castlemont High!!
2. I lived on 85th, 58th, Havenscourt... and got homeboys/family that I see regularly from the twomps, the bottoms, the pole, the 100's, Brookfield, Seminary, the Dragons, Goodfellas, High St., 35th, Seminary, etc... you walk through here popping that shit you'll get stuffed and mounted... real talk!
>I've seen plenty of sideshow activity first-hand. I've been in
>the midst of a 1,000 brothers on the block events. I've been
>to many weed spots. I've had to get out of places because of
>gunshots, the whole nine.
1. what whole nine??
2. Name some weed spots...
a. What LEGENDARY weed spot had the "fence" at the end of its name??
b. What legendary weed spot was across the street from Castlemont?
c. What cross street did the legendary weed spot on 84th ave cross?
3. You seen a sideshow first hand where? When?
>And the thing that gets me is that all of this hyphy stuff has
>been going on for the longest. Yet now is the time that y'all
>have picked to hate on it, like we're supposed to roll back
>the clock and denounce tha Luniz, denounce RBL Posse, denounce
>Dru Down, denounce 415, etc.
Like I said in another post... I'm sitting on the fence with the hyohy movement because I'm torn between town pride (which is innate behavior) which I know is foolish but whatever... and knowing whats right... and thats these kids in 2006 (you know the grown CRACK babies from the 80's) need something more positive to embrace than hyphy!!! Hyphy is cool/traditional and all, but the timing of its presense couldnt be more wrong... start with the murder rate for 06'...
>I resent the separation between the old and the new that some
>of y'all are trying to make just so that you can say that back
>when you were doing this dumb shit, it was cool, but now that
>younger kids are doing the same shit, it's not cool. I
>understand that people grow out of it as they mature, but it's
>pretty likeley that when y'all were 21 y'all weren't trying to
>hear any social critiques from old salty Club Nouveau r-n-b
>types the same way that y'all's words are falling on deaf ears
>now.
Name one kid that you know from Oakland... again, I'm here on these streets DAILY... I got god-children, neices and nephews, cousins, and a child of my own FROM OAKLAND that, again, I deal with daily!!! Just because I did something when I was younger dont mean I'ma condone the next generation to do the same... thats some dumb ass logic... again where the 'fuck you from???
>Seriously, why do y'all want to hate like this...because
>that's all that it is. And if there's one thing that Oakland
>rap has produced over the years more than anything else it is
>hate.
How am I hating?? Hating on what?? I'm giving you a dose of reality from the frontlines homeboy... "Oakland 101"... real game... and your missing it and letting it go over your head in the name of hiphop.... lol
>So what, kids are now popping pills and ghost-riding their
>whips. They were doing that 10 years ago too. They were doing
>that 15-20 years ago in Houston as well, which is where I went
>to high school. Maybe y'all have been against this kind of
>thing all along, which I doubt, but it looks like a punk move
>to me that the moment that some of these hyphy artists get a
>little national shine that y'all just then decide begin your
>campaign against them.
Muthafuckas was selling their children for CRACK 15-20 years ago too, does that make it allright in 2006?? You're campaigning for ignorance man... wtf is wrong with you?? I knew Mac Dre and been to the house where helaid his head at... I know Richie Rich's arrogant ass, have met and chopped game with 40 on more than one occassion... same can be said about Vidal from the Delinquents, BART from 3 Times, Yuk back when him and sister got that settlement, G-Nut from Spice One's camp, family friends with Short, etc... and one thing about all of them dudes I named is that they are GOOD people... I couldnt say a bad thing about any of them personally and they all stand legit in terms of who they are as individuals, especially Vidal and Short... so how in the fuck am I hating on the artist?? They didnt start the hyphy movement, if anything there nothing more than the messenger... and Rich, Short, Yuk, Big V, and Bart dont even do "hyphy" music...
>I mean, on E-40's Mail Man tape from 94, he's talking about
>"as long as I have my gat, I'm never broke". He even goes as
>far as describing himself raping a chick in that same song.
>And whether y'all complained and wanted people to bocott him
>for such a thing, 40's still here making quality music.
There you go again with another blanket ass statement... what you gonna throw in next "White Lines"?? "Mary Jane" by Rick James?? Your danicng around the true focus of this shit.... lol
>In other words, if y'all like it or not, this shit can't be
>stopped by whining about it and calling people who support it
>out on any sliver of weak, misinformed personal attack that
>y'all can come up with. Of course being a fan of hyphy implies
>measurung out the bad against the good of it. But y'all have
>chosen to strictly accentuate the bad, which leaves all of
>that good being completely ignored. And that is as wrong a way
>to deal with this shit as any overtly racist cop-like enforcer
>would ever choose to do.
I've been hyphy and know first hand that the "good" of it only last until the high wears off... I spun my shit at my share of sideshows back in 93' (90th and Bancroft... 35th and High St.... East Mont parking lot... etc...) aint shit you can tell me about this I dont know and haven't experienced first hand already... again all I'm saying is that the timing of this so-called movement is not right and that there are much more important things we should be focusing on right now... the kids in the "City of Dope" have looooong needed a positive... If you really give a fuck about the quality of life out here, you wouldnt be debating my stance on the matter... If you really walked along the blocks you claim and have a bleeding heart you'd know what the fuck I'm talking about... but no, your a white boy fan of Bay Area music from Austin,Texas whose wife is paying back student loans to a private college that sat on the outskirts of the hood from when you and here did a five year bid in the town... I've been here 34 years and have done everything from be born to a 16 year old student at Oakland Tech in 1972, stand in line at Bushrod Park rec center for free cheese, watch my pops fall victim to the epidemic of the 80's, graduate high school, attend Merritt / Laney/ and Alameda Junior colleges, overlook the Mexicali Rose from the 5th floor window at North County, to turning my life around and graduating college and working for a Fortune 500 in downtown Oakland today... but here you are still going back and forth on how i should respond to an artform/trend I indirectly helped create... lol
>Again, y'all are looking at these kids doing their thing and
>only looking at the bad of it. That is so messed up to me.
I've experienced both the good and bad first hand... trust me, the bad outweighs the good.
>Yet y'all are trying to explain that negative projection away
>by saying that y'all are only doing it in the kids' best
>interests. Again, y'all sound like dirty cops who beat kids
>for nothing, yet claim that they are doing it for the good of
>the community.
what are standing against whats right for?? Really, what do you have to gain by hyphy (and its uderlying message to promote the negatives of our society to an impressionable age group) continuing to blow up?? Its almost like you want these black kids from the ghetto to stay in the ghetto...
>I'm a grown man with a wife and a child. Don't think I don't
>understand where y'all's concerns are coming from. What I
>don't understand are your methods for expressing those
>concerns, which always coincidentally seem to simultaneously
>point your own selves out as somehow superior in intellect to
>those who y'all are dissing. It's so fucking self-seving of
>y'all, it's ridiculous.
You dont know what the hell your talking about... I caught cases and did time over me acting ignorant and being young and wild... What I tell kids is my testimony, thats me giving back... I've been where these kids are and am trying to prevent them for heading down the same road I traveled... how in the fuck is that self-serving or acting superior?? what I'm doing is keeping it real with these kids... when I break down my story, it has substance to them because I'm cut from the same cloth they are... me not reaching out to them in this manner is a hoe move... I'd be a bitch for continuing to let these kids be led like sheep into a world of ignorance... I mean its cool for them to have their little fun, burn up the block, party and all that... but take of your business first and foremost... be accountable of all of your actions... how am I wrong "kicking the truth to the young black youth" as Deck would say... lol
>Yeah, all of these thousands of fans of hyphy who are for the
>most part only having fun with it are all idiots while y'all
>are the Captain Save a Hoe's in waiting scheming to teach them
>all a better way. GTFOOHWTBS!
I never said that.... read again!
>Yeah, it would be great if the hyphy moevment had more of an
>intelligent side to it. Oh wait, they do. It just means that
>you listen to San Quinn, Frontline, Zion I, and Slumplordz
>instead of Turf Talk and Nump. There are many shades of hyphy,
>but again and again y'all are choosing to only look at the
>negatives.
Zion I, San Quinn, Heiro, Frontline, etc.. arent hyphy and would tell you that to your face if you asked them that... they understand the lifestyle, and like me, aren't really against the lifestyle per se... but know that this movement isnt the best thing going for the state of mind that the Bay Area youth are entangled in present day...
>And whether songs are promoting ecstacy use or not, there is
>no way that ecstacy could ever become the next crack. As I
>mentioned, it's not physically addictive. People certainly
>like the way it can make them feel. But there's no way it can
>be compared to crack when it comes to a fiend needing hundreds
>of dollars worth of it a day just to get a monkey off of their
>back.
What you're comparing the lesser of two evils now?? None of that shit is good to begin with... especially when (outside of alcohol, weed, and black-n-milds) its (ecstacy) the most popular drug of choice amongst 15-25 year olds out here in the Bay Area and growing at a steady rate... If your so carefree with the thought of 14 and 15 year old kids popping ecstacy, smoking purple, and being addicted to tobacco answer this... would you let your child pop "X"
and smoke cheap ass cigars before he/she is old enough to get a drivers liscense?? didnt thnk so!
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