i cant be the only one that find this shit
funny as fuck...

basically these Bay cats done came up with a
"cousin of crunk" tag to promote said 'movement'.

but what kills me is to what extent the prominent
artists, (mainly e40) of the movement will go to get
the 'movement' moving, and inspire another batch
of coons & coonery. the disease that keeps on giving.

like seriously, WALKING by the side of your whip while
its in motion while niggas hang by the door??!!! is that
really whats hot in the Bay streets? lol.

or the call & respond "thizzzz" catchphrase they throw
in every other bar. this would be their version of lil
jon's 'yeaaahh okay' i suppose.

not to mention the dread niggas wildin out bobbin they
heads im sure theres more characteristics i left out.

it would be one thing if hyphy was a natural progression
of crunk, but to me it seems e40 & nem actually
concocted a plan to
put the Bay on the map. but the 'movement' itself seems mad
contriveded, gimicky & calculated imo.

at least with crunk music, them cats were original and
actually created a genre, and a REAL movement (although wack in itself.)
these hyphy niggas are just hoppin the bandwagon. no?

prove to me how this shit is relevant.



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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

but that whole Thizz face thing makes it reeeal hard to take the whole thing seriously

but then again, thats probably the point.

Kenny Fresh
www.Bling47.com

(by the way, my screenname's lame.)

be nationally succesful that way. The sound and lingo are specific to the bay tho. You find it corny, then don't join in the fun.

this shit is genuine like leather (c) Rakim



Thizzin and Hyphy has been around for years, i knew about it about 4 years ago and I was hella late on it.


Nothin Ignant about it, alot of the dudes that are doing it are bettering themselves and their communities, San Quinn, Mistah F.A.B. and E-40 have substansial shit to say alongside with that club shit JUST LIKE ANY MAINSTREAM RAPPER OUT THERE


it gets me sick that dudes hate on gettin hyphy but will get outttaaa controoooooll or crunk at the drop of an ass. fuck yall

fools been riding with their doors open in oakland for years. stupid ass kids, I've seen kids fall out their leased escalades and shit for doing that shit. stupid as fuck. it's basically acting "dumb" as you can because "dumb" is now the new "cool" in the bay. Wow. I love the bay, but this hyphy shit is just dumb as fuck. it's just a continuation of this anti-intellectual movement in hip hop. god forbid you read a book or get some intelligence or respect other people, women and shit. That wouldn't be "gangsta"!! LOL!

with ALL music.

stupid ass dudes in NY take all that selling crack and robbin shit seriously too.

IMO robbin someone and sellin drugs is just as stupid as ghostriding, etc.


these artists arent stupid, if you listened to they ALBUMS youd see how theyre just as intelligent, shallow, deep and arrogant as any other group of rappers.

the singles is just what im sprinklin, on my albums to keep the registers ringin
- Jigga

all jokes aside, hyphy's legit. people who tried to put me on to the bay tried to tell me about keak and ish

SHIT WAS BANGIN!!!!!!! Everyone had fun.. Fizz facin and all. And I was sure reppin the WESTCOAST SEVERLY.

waaah waaaah waaahh

.



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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

I wouldn't even worry about it. Once R Kelly puts out a Hyphy track to get all the fags dancing too it, then everyone else will slowly forget about it.

>I wouldn't even worry about it. Once R Kelly puts out a Hyphy
>track to get all the fags dancing too it, then everyone else
>will slowly forget about it.

can you imagine Kells doing a thizz face?? (insert "piss face" joke here)


Kenny Fresh
www.Bling47.com

(by the way, my screenname's lame.)

in light of the shitting midget in trapped in the closet

that they ain't hardly play any music. Just about all those artists they highlighted are trash on the mic, so much for hip-hop. Shit just looked like a bunch of ignorant Cali niggas dancing around like dickheads.

------- ------- ------- ------ ------- ------- -------
Top 5 of '05 (alphabetical order)

50 Cent - The Massacre
Cage - Hell's Winter
Murs & Slug - Felt 2
Slum Village - Slum Village
Sway - This Is My Promo Vol. 1 & 2

...

.



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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

which was intentionally aimed as a hyphy track...and a good one at that.

and yet it gets very little play out here...

And I don't see how anyone could classify The Bay remix as better than any of these on the hyphy tip:

Keak - T-Shirt, Blue Jeans, and Nike's
Keak - Superhyphy
Mistah FAB - Super Sick Wid It
Messy Marv - Get On My Hype remix
Turf Talk - It's Ah Slumpah

And that's just naming a few. The Bay remix is cool, but it's more like hyphy watered down with tight-ass juice.

>that they ain't hardly play any music. Just about all those
>artists they highlighted are trash on the mic, so much for
>hip-hop. Shit just looked like a bunch of ignorant Cali niggas
>dancing around like dickheads.

Zion I
San Quinn
Too Short
are not trash homie.
F.A.B. & Turf Talk are beasts on the mic.
40 & Keak are both cats that if u dont live out here,are lil hard to digest.
So that leaves Keyshia Coles & JT the Bigga Figga,is that who you're talkin about?

.

Short is washed up and San Quinn ain't shit. Besides, even if they were all fantastic lyricists, it wouldn't matter because they hardly played any music. The most they played was a four second clip, which wouldn't do the nicest emcee justice. All they seemed to focus on was muhfuckas in the street wylin' out and ghost-ridin' their cars, silly ass bullshit. Basically, it wasn't a good look for the Bay.

------- ------- ------- ------ ------- ------- -------
Top 5 of '05 (alphabetical order)

50 Cent - The Massacre
Cage - Hell's Winter
Murs & Slug - Felt 2
Slum Village - Slum Village
Sway - This Is My Promo Vol. 1 & 2

theyre dope ashell

http://www.myspace.com/binlahab

Mzungu Aende Ulaya — Mwafrika Apate Uhuru

<---bitch get your mind right

www.myspace.com/itsjay

"Here comes a sea followed by an ocean."

Dude,if you dont like Zion I thats cool,no need to label them corny.
I could go thee fuck off on the music you got on your soundclick page but I aint gonna air u out like that.
I'll keep it simple:
Zion I's music >>>> Allegroes music

>Short is washed up
Come on now dawg,$hort is STILL selling records & selling out shows after 20+ years in the game.
And he has NO (popular) hits.
Homie he's been making bangers since before YOU were born.

>and San Quinn ain't shit.
I beg to differ mayne,he'll rap circles around your boy Slug.

~
>>and San Quinn ain't shit.
>I beg to differ mayne,he'll rap circles around your boy Slug.
>


LMFAO!! You can't be serious? You really think so? Lets set this battle up!!!

He covers all topical bases, thus there's no reason to even try to hold a so-called emo MC over his head like that...especially a wack-voiced one like Slug.

>He covers all topical bases, thus there's no reason to even
>try to hold a so-called emo MC over his head like
>that...especially a wack-voiced one like Slug.
>
>

if you got no vocabulary, then quinn is perfect for you. slug would destroy quinn. come on homie, lets be real for a minute.

Quinn has no vocabulary???

And Slug would destroy him???

What the fuck planet do you live on???

You've never been as wrong as you are right now.

>Quinn has no vocabulary???
>
>And Slug would destroy him???
>
>What the fuck planet do you live on???
>
>You've never been as wrong as you are right now.
>

you're an idiot, and you're proving it right now, go back to bed, in texas! LOL!!!

anyone who likes San Quinn more than Slug is an "idiot"???

Yeah, you're really proving your intelligence with an outlook like that. What a role model you are...

>anyone who likes San Quinn more than Slug is an "idiot"???


san quinn is straight garbage, straight ghetto idiocy. come on homie. any dude that raps from the ghetto and raps about stupid shit is instantly dope in your book. i see the tupac syndrome is still alive and well in austin.

>Yeah, you're really proving your intelligence with an outlook
>like that. What a role model you are...
>

a better role model than your heroes homie. Ya why don't you shut the fuck up and come in one of my gf's classes, give a talk about your dumb "Hyphy" music. I dare you. You don't do shit, nor care about any inner city community. I've done more for underpriveleged kids than you ever have in your life. Get the fuck out of here and keep writing your garbage articles. Ya pimpology is great for kids! Wow, I can't believe you really believe this garbage you shitting out your mouth.

raps about so much more than just his background selling drugs.

His stuff is more conscious than that of most so-called conscious artists.

Obviously you ain't listened, but that sure doesn't stop you from incorrectly labeling his persona.

Again, what kind of example of intelligence is that??? Haughtily speaking down upon something you haven't even properly researched???

And you don't know shit about me. So stick to the topic instead of lunging into blind personal attacks.

>raps about so much more than just his background selling
>drugs.

really? intelligently? or just on some surface level gangsta style?
>
>His stuff is more conscious than that of most so-called
>conscious artists.
>
nah, I've heard his shit, there ain't too much conscious about it.

>Obviously you ain't listened, but that sure doesn't stop you
>from incorrectly labeling his persona.

I have listened so you're wrong again.
>
>Again, what kind of example of intelligence is that???
>Haughtily speaking down upon something you haven't even
>properly researched???

ok professor, I've listened to his shit and it still sucks. get over it.
>
>And you don't know shit about me. So stick to the topic
>instead of lunging into blind personal attacks.
>

you mean like you do? goddamn, you're the biggest hypocrite on here. you define the hiphop industry slut. keep kissing the asses of the mainstream. it suits you well. I've read your articles, they suck.
>
>

once you've reached the thousandth time that you've called me an "idiot" on this board, I will *poof*...disappear into thin air.

>once you've reached the thousandth time that you've called me
>an "idiot" on this board, I will *poof*...disappear into thin
>air.
>
if it could only be so easy. but keep replying to me. you will never win this hyphy argument. the movement sucks. it ain't gonna get that national, even with li'l john backing it. nobody outside the bay even understands keak. good luck though, and I hope you fit in with the mainstream! White people love it when us colored folk act stupid and coonery.

whitey see negroes wildin and whisper, "look
at them coons."

and btw, aint Archaic caucasian anyway? if so what grounds
does he have to champion the impact & relevance of so
called hyphy movement. as if to say he has a decidedly equal
footing on whats right or wrong on the culture of said movement.

i see my people acting out and i call bullshit,wigga sees it
and glorifies it as an opportunity for poor black folks to
aim higher??!!!!the fuck??!!!!
this attitude reeks of staunch wiggarism to me


>> White
>people love it when us colored folk act stupid and coonery.



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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

>whitey see negroes wildin and whisper, "look
>at them coons."
>
>and btw, aint Archaic caucasian anyway? if so what grounds
>does he have to champion the impact & relevance of so
>called hyphy movement. as if to say he has a decidedly equal
>footing on whats right or wrong on the culture of said
>movement.
>
>i see my people acting out and i call bullshit,wigga sees it
>and glorifies it as an opportunity for poor black folks to
>aim higher??!!!!the fuck??!!!!
>this attitude reeks of staunch wiggarism to me

for real. he doesn't get it. typical shit from outsiders trying to tell you what is "real" and what isn't.
>
>
>>> White
>>people love it when us colored folk act stupid and coonery.
>
>
>
>-------------------
>Oluwaseun
>
>"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're
>like 'Welcome you got mail"

and to this particular culture you and explizit, regardless of your skin colors, are the outsiders here.

And none of this shit that y'all are capping on, including taking drugs, wrecklesly driving, and/or going stoopid doo-doo dumb, is exclusive to hyphy.

People of all colors have been doing all of that shit forever. I myself had done all 3 of those things in high school by '88 in Houston.

But whatever...

Just because E-40 has a song that says "ghost-ride the whip" and MTV was idiotic enough to give a detailed instructional description of what that means does not automatically mean that everyone doing hyphy is a coon and anyone non-black who likes it is a racist.

Y'all are constructing your own little worlds of hate with this shit, dependant on your lack of knowledge on ALL of what hyphy entails. Like I've said in this post already, y'all are cherrypicking the negative surface shit and ignoring the deeper positive stuff just to make yourselves seem above it all.

Noone's going to stop engaging in sideshows because y'all are mad at them.

Noone's going to stop taking ecstacy and jumping up and down because you are calling them ignorant.

Droop.E, Traxamillion, E-A-Ski, and Rick Rock are not going to stop making keyboard beats.

E-40, Keak, Turf Talk, and Mistah FAB aren't going to stop coming up with new lingo and rhyme styles.

But y'all are so high off of your own self-importance that y'all swear that there is merit in hating on hyphy? Y'all only sound like jealous, over-the-hill grumps who would rather talk out of your asses than ever sit back and learn something from an ongoing occurence...that really has nothiung to do with you.

You don't like the E-40 video...change the channel and shut up already.

Because what you are doing instead is basically shitting on things you know nothing about...which, even if you get 10,000 other Lesson-heads to co-sign you, STILL only makes you look like hatin'-ass assholes.

>and to this particular culture you and explizit, regardless
>of your skin colors, are the outsiders here.
>

as a white guy you cannot be expected to see how fucked up this encouragement of destructive behavior is to people of color in urban communities. So shut the fuck up and go back to your comfortable white community in austin. I see why you moved to texas, easier for a white guy to write about hip hop and be accepted. You will never know what it is like for a white person to look down on you because of your race, because they associate certain negative stereotypes because of your race. And now we got kids emulating this "hyphy" movement doing destructive shit, dealing with eachother in destructive ways and you cannot see that. All you see is some supposed positive movement of independent money making that doesn't even brush the social impact of this shit. You need to stop right here Mr Gabriel. This shit does not concern you. You are the typical white guy outsider trying so hard to be down that you attach yourself to the most inane, ignorant stereotypical aspect of a culture and promote it as being positive. In this you completely miss the NEGATIVE social impact of the music and the messages in the music. You really think that video "Super Hyphy" is a positive image for kids? You're out of your fucking white-wannabe down mind. Get the fuck out of hip hop, seriously, you have no business here. You're a CULTURE VULTURE!!! Go bump your paul walls, and you keak the sneaks. Here, check out ekogirl.com. She's another white person who tries to be so down with hip hop she misses the social importance of the culture.

coulnd not have said it better.
an overzealous Archaic revels in the urgency of the Bay getting
back on the map, he compltely misses the social
implications of the hyphy movement. or maybe he doesnt
realize it at all. afterall he is white and an outsider. you
ride & die for the Bay but you observe from Austin, TX. LOL


>
>as a white guy you cannot be expected to see how fucked up
>this encouragement of destructive behavior is to people of
>color in urban communities. So shut the fuck up and go back to
>your comfortable white community in austin. I see why you
>moved to texas, easier for a white guy to write about hip hop
>and be accepted. You will never know what it is like for a
>white person to look down on you because of your race, because
>they associate certain negative stereotypes because of your
>race. And now we got kids emulating this "hyphy" movement
>doing destructive shit, dealing with eachother in destructive
>ways and you cannot see that. All you see is some supposed
>positive movement of independent money making that doesn't
>even brush the social impact of this shit. You need to stop
>right here Mr Gabriel. This shit does not concern you. You are
>the typical white guy outsider trying so hard to be down that
>you attach yourself to the most inane, ignorant stereotypical
>aspect of a culture and promote it as being positive. In this
>you completely miss the NEGATIVE social impact of the music
>and the messages in the music. You really think that video
>"Super Hyphy" is a positive image for kids? You're out of your
>fucking white-wannabe down mind. Get the fuck out of hip hop,
>seriously, you have no business here. You're a CULTURE
>VULTURE!!! Go bump your paul walls, and you keak the sneaks.
>Here, check out ekogirl.com. She's another white person who
>tries to be so down with hip hop she misses the social
>importance of the culture.



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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

my perception of hip-hop is balanced. If the music is good, I'll support the intelligent stuff before the ignorant stuff in a heartbeat. What's not my business is to decide what I think is real hip-hop versus unfit hip-hop. I report what is happening, not what I want to happen. I can't deny that hyphy is catchy and that kids are eating it up with a spoon. I'm not trying to teach kids bad shit...instead they are teaching me in many ways. I really don't see why you insist that there is merit in hating on shit that is already out there rather than trying to accentuate the positive out of it. Do you really think that you can wish Keak da Sneak away? Anyway, you still have me pegged all wrong. For one, I'll reveal that I do not live in a white part of Austin. And guess what? I fit in.

>my perception of hip-hop is balanced. If the music is good,
>I'll support the intelligent stuff before the ignorant stuff
>in a heartbeat. What's not my business is to decide what I
>think is real hip-hop versus unfit hip-hop. I report what is
>happening, not what I want to happen. I can't deny that hyphy
>is catchy and that kids are eating it up with a spoon. I'm not
>trying to teach kids bad shit...instead they are teaching me
>in many ways. I really don't see why you insist that there is
>merit in hating on shit that is already out there rather than
>trying to accentuate the positive out of it. Do you really
>think that you can wish Keak da Sneak away? Anyway, you still
>have me pegged all wrong. For one, I'll reveal that I do not
>live in a white part of Austin. And guess what? I fit in.
>
you still don't get it do you? you still gotta be critical of whack shit going on, specifically whack shit that effects communities of color, poor people, disenfranchised. You have no real personal understanding of this and it shows. It goes beyond even a matter of real vs commercial hip hop. It's about race, it's about history, it's about advancement in a society that doesn't really want to accept us, only in a certain way, and that certain way is in a foolish, clownish way-i.e. hyphy. A smart black man is much more uncomfortable to a white general audience than one that is "wyling out." Trust me homie, no kids are gonna teach you this. I never said shit about wishing keak da sneak away, thanks for putting words in my mouth. Don't matter what part of austin you live in, don't matter if you lived in the ghetttoes of oakland, you still don't get it. This shit is deeper than kids partying. There's a social importance, A SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY that you are completely missing. Sorry, even in your down ass whiteness you cannot seem to grasp this.

I dont own ONE San Quinn album.. but I know for a fact that he gives back to his community... In fact, not only does he do the intro for "Street Soldiers" (bay niggas know what I'm talking about!), but he and his Done Deal Family are CONSTANTLY raising awareness (AIDS, Drug Abuse, Education, etc...) in the Fillmore District and beyond...

again, I dont own one of his albums, but I know that they do more to help the kids in the fillmore than destroy them...

>I dont own ONE San Quinn album.. but I know for a fact that
>he gives back to his community... In fact, not only does he do
>the intro for "Street Soldiers" (bay niggas know what I'm
>talking about!), but he and his Done Deal Family are
>CONSTANTLY raising awareness (AIDS, Drug Abuse, Education,
>etc...) in the Fillmore District and beyond...
>
>again, I dont own one of his albums, but I know that they do
>more to help the kids in the fillmore than destroy them...

thanks for the info, but his music is still garbage and I know plenty of people that give to the community and make intelligent music.

>>I dont own ONE San Quinn album.. but I know for a fact that
>>he gives back to his community... In fact, not only does he
>do
>>the intro for "Street Soldiers" (bay niggas know what I'm
>>talking about!), but he and his Done Deal Family are
>>CONSTANTLY raising awareness (AIDS, Drug Abuse, Education,
>>etc...) in the Fillmore District and beyond...
>>
>>again, I dont own one of his albums, but I know that they do
>>more to help the kids in the fillmore than destroy them...
>
>thanks for the info, but his music is still garbage and I know
>plenty of people that give to the community and make
>intelligent music.


I wasnt asking who you knew, I was just putting it out there that Quinn does work for the community... however, like you I think his music is borderline trash... but that doesnt make him a bad brotha, in fact he's one of the good ones...

I like only some Atmosphere, and I loved San Quinn's new single. That's his only song I heard though.

I can totally understand someone who isn't an idiot saying they like Quinn more than Slug though.

Thats your opinion...you like emo-rap or whatever it is that dont have any kind of slap to it.Thats cool but out here we fucks with with Quinn,Slug just dont bump in the car or the club and if I wanna hear a white man complain I'll watch Bill O'Reilly.

>LMFAO!! You can't be serious? You really think so? Lets set
>this battle up!!!
How the Fuck are we gonna do that?
You internet cats got vivid imaginations mayne...

>Thats your opinion...you like emo-rap or whatever it is that
>dont have any kind of slap to it.Thats cool but out here we
>fucks with with Quinn,Slug just dont bump in the car or the
>club and if I wanna hear a white man complain I'll watch Bill
>O'Reilly.
>
>>LMFAO!! You can't be serious? You really think so? Lets set
>>this battle up!!!
>How the Fuck are we gonna do that?
>You internet cats got vivid imaginations mayne...

you taking my words too literal, I know they're ain't gonna be no battle you gump. But if there ever was you know slug got lyrics and quinn don't. it's pretty simple, and I do get annoyed by slug, but he still better than whack ass quinn. comparing slug to bill o'reilly? you sound like a ghetto ass wannabe thug idiot. I know anything that ain't "gangsta" or coon shit is "emo rap" right? damn you're an idiot. keep thinking inside the box, it's all black and white in your little brain.

Dood-
C'mon now man,state your point and stay on the subject.
I aint didnt threaten anyone or call them out of their name.
YOU on the other hand are tossing around insults for no reason other than to get your personal views across.

>you taking my words too literal, I know they're ain't gonna be
>no battle you gump.
Calling me a "Gump" should I take that Literal? or is that just how u talk to cats?

>But if there ever was you know slug got
>lyrics and quinn don't.
See that right there is a matter of interpolation,
I know quinn has lyrics,but you have some pre concieved notion that I'm endorsing "coon shit" or gangsta shit.
Thats not the case,I came in this thread to say that ZION I,Quinn & $hort are not garbage,furthermore if u listened to Quinns material you'd see a method to his madness,plenty of explainations about who he is and why he speaks on the topics in his songs.Quinn stays trying to squash violence in his community.
Plus he does have battle raps for that ass.


>it's pretty simple, and I do get
>annoyed by slug, but he still better than whack ass quinn.
>comparing slug to bill o'reilly? you sound like a ghetto ass
>wannabe thug idiot.
No thuggin over here mayne.


I know anything that ain't "gangsta" or
>coon shit is "emo rap" right?
>damn you're an idiot. keep
>thinking inside the box, it's all black and white in your
>little brain.

Homie you should check the resume...
I'm not an e-thug or someone who posts on this board alot,although I know some cats that post on here I aint no OKP,
I represent & work with 3 of the most positive acts here (Crown City,Pep Love & Zion I) in the bay and I work for ABB and believe me aint none of them "hyphy" and they dont "go dumb".
But what we know is that with all the attention that the media is giving to this so-called movement that some of the other acts out here will get noticed as well and hopefully will be able to show the another side to the bay.

We did a huge show last september bringing together so-called hyphy cats with more traditional hip-hop and blew the spot up.

Zion I
Crown City
Opio & Pep Love

with
The Team & B-Legit
Mr. FAB
Turf Talk

Cats said it couldnt be done,they said that there would be violence & fights.
They said that the "traditional" hip-hop audience wouldnt support cuz artists that get radio play were on the bill.
They said the "hyphy" crowd wouldnt come out cuz it was @ the Fillmore and not in a club atmosphere.
That show sold thee fuck out without one incident.
We out here trying to unify the scene and move as one,if it takes Hyphy to do it then whatever,
I know
Quinn fucks with Boots,
40 fucks with Murs,Motion Man & Lyrics Born
Shadow is fuckin with Keak & Turf Talk
Zion I fucks with The Team
Casual got $hort & Richie Rich on his project
so aint nobody tryin to divide the scene...

Im not one for buffoonery but I know that attention for the bay is long overdue,I personally dont like any of the sht that goes on OUTSIDE of the music but I cant dis it cuz it really dont affect me,If it turns your stomach turn the station.
I'm in Oakland and I know how to get away from that shit if I want to.

>Dood-
>C'mon now man,state your point and stay on the subject.
>I aint didnt threaten anyone or call them out of their name.
>YOU on the other hand are tossing around insults for no reason
>other than to get your personal views across.
>
>>you taking my words too literal, I know they're ain't gonna
>be
>>no battle you gump.
>Calling me a "Gump" should I take that Literal? or is that
>just how u talk to cats?
>
>>But if there ever was you know slug got
>>lyrics and quinn don't.
>See that right there is a matter of interpolation,
>I know quinn has lyrics,but you have some pre concieved notion
>that I'm endorsing "coon shit" or gangsta shit.
>Thats not the case,I came in this thread to say that ZION
>I,Quinn & $hort are not garbage,furthermore if u listened to
>Quinns material you'd see a method to his madness,plenty of
>explainations about who he is and why he speaks on the topics
>in his songs.Quinn stays trying to squash violence in his
>community.
>Plus he does have battle raps for that ass.
>
>
>>it's pretty simple, and I do get
>>annoyed by slug, but he still better than whack ass quinn.
>>comparing slug to bill o'reilly? you sound like a ghetto ass
>>wannabe thug idiot.
>No thuggin over here mayne.
>
>
>I know anything that ain't "gangsta" or
>>coon shit is "emo rap" right?
>>damn you're an idiot. keep
>>thinking inside the box, it's all black and white in your
>>little brain.
>
>Homie you should check the resume...
>I'm not an e-thug or someone who posts on this board
>alot,although I know some cats that post on here I aint no
>OKP,
>I represent & work with 3 of the most positive acts here
>(Crown City,Pep Love & Zion I) in the bay and I work for ABB
>and believe me aint none of them "hyphy" and they dont "go
>dumb".
>But what we know is that with all the attention that the media
>is giving to this so-called movement that some of the other
>acts out here will get noticed as well and hopefully will be
>able to show the another side to the bay.
>
>We did a huge show last september bringing together so-called
>hyphy cats with more traditional hip-hop and blew the spot
>up.
>
>Zion I
>Crown City
>Opio & Pep Love
>
>with
>The Team & B-Legit
>Mr. FAB
>Turf Talk
>
>Cats said it couldnt be done,they said that there would be
>violence & fights.
>They said that the "traditional" hip-hop audience wouldnt
>support cuz artists that get radio play were on the bill.
>They said the "hyphy" crowd wouldnt come out cuz it was @ the
>Fillmore and not in a club atmosphere.
>That show sold thee fuck out without one incident.
>We out here trying to unify the scene and move as one,if it
>takes Hyphy to do it then whatever,
>I know
>Quinn fucks with Boots,
>40 fucks with Murs,Motion Man & Lyrics Born
>Shadow is fuckin with Keak & Turf Talk
>Zion I fucks with The Team
>Casual got $hort & Richie Rich on his project
>so aint nobody tryin to divide the scene...
>
>Im not one for buffoonery but I know that attention for the
>bay is long overdue,I personally dont like any of the sht that
>goes on OUTSIDE of the music but I cant dis it cuz it really
>dont affect me,If it turns your stomach turn the station.
>I'm in Oakland and I know how to get away from that shit if I
>want to.
>
>
>
>
Thanks homie. Just, this shit is hella destructive to me, my girl is a teacher in vallejo and she sees kids imitating this what e-40 and keak are saying in their songs. she sees kids getting hurt, getting into fights, because you ain't real, or tough, or gangsta unless you act like an idiot. I ain't squarely blaming this on the music, I'm not that stupid. I know there's a million other larger issues factoring in here, but it doesn't make sense to promote this shit that is promoting negative behavior for kids. You think riding outside your car and going to sideshows where kids get sideswiped are positive for the community? Instead why don't you try promoting mentoring programs, positive constructive behavior, giving tools to kids that will help them suceed in life, cause the city ain't doing it, that's for damn sure. I used to live in the o, over on 13th and park blvd. I seen fools fall out their car and almost get ran over, my friend got held up at gunpoint by some little kids. This shit is just everday there. Ain't no fucking sense in promoting this "movement." Instead, to me and a lot of other people I know, this hyphy shit brings up other deeper issues in the community that never get brought up, not in no keak da sneak song, especially in one where he's fucking smacking mindless girls wearing bikinis. You guys crack me up in your support of this "dumb" movement. Come on, be real. Wait till you see your kid getting fucked up because he riding outside his car then you might think twice about encouraging this shit. Ain't nothing wrong with intelligence. Ain't nothing wrong with reading a fucking book, but that shit ain't in anymore. I respect your efforts in the community and uniting, peacefully, different segments of the community, but that doesn't mean we can't change, tweak, or criticise certain aspects.

>Thanks homie. Just, this shit is hella destructive to me, my
>girl is a teacher in vallejo and she sees kids imitating this
>what e-40 and keak are saying in their songs. she sees kids
>getting hurt, getting into fights, because you ain't real, or
>tough, or gangsta unless you act like an idiot. I ain't
>squarely blaming this on the music, I'm not that stupid. I
>know there's a million other larger issues factoring in here,
>but it doesn't make sense to promote this shit that is
>promoting negative behavior for kids. You think riding outside
>your car and going to sideshows where kids get sideswiped are
>positive for the community? Instead why don't you try
>promoting mentoring programs, positive constructive behavior,
>giving tools to kids that will help them suceed in life, cause
>the city ain't doing it, that's for damn sure. I used to live
>in the o, over on 13th and park blvd. I seen fools fall out
>their car and almost get ran over, my friend got held up at
>gunpoint by some little kids. This shit is just everday there.
>Ain't no fucking sense in promoting this "movement." Instead,
>to me and a lot of other people I know, this hyphy shit brings
>up other deeper issues in the community that never get brought
>up, not in no keak da sneak song, especially in one where he's
>fucking smacking mindless girls wearing bikinis. You guys
>crack me up in your support of this "dumb" movement. Come on,
>be real. Wait till you see your kid getting fucked up because
>he riding outside his car then you might think twice about
>encouraging this shit. Ain't nothing wrong with intelligence.
>Ain't nothing wrong with reading a fucking book, but that shit
>ain't in anymore. I respect your efforts in the community and
>uniting, peacefully, different segments of the community, but
>that doesn't mean we can't change, tweak, or criticise certain
>aspects.

Now-
u are totally right about promoting intelligence.
none of these cats are actually "dumb" but reinforcing stereotypes gets us nowhere as a people on a whole.
I just ask folks to listen to the music then decide.
40 aint ghostridin' a damn thang but he's been appointed leader of this so-called movement so there it is...
Most of these cats (and 99% of all "street" rappers) dont actually live what they are rappin about they just report what they see and put it to a beat.
Since u live out here u know as well as I do that shit is fucked up way beyond comprehension out here and the music is one of the only things out here the cats can feel good about,BUT that dosent mean I fully endorse it,I'm open to talk about what we can do to change things and it better, from the inside out perhaps.

>Now-
>u are totally right about promoting intelligence.
>none of these cats are actually "dumb" but reinforcing
>stereotypes gets us nowhere as a people on a whole.
>I just ask folks to listen to the music then decide.
>40 aint ghostridin' a damn thang but he's been appointed
>leader of this so-called movement so there it is...
>Most of these cats (and 99% of all "street" rappers) dont
>actually live what they are rappin about they just report what
>they see and put it to a beat.
>Since u live out here u know as well as I do that shit is
>fucked up way beyond comprehension out here and the music is
>one of the only things out here the cats can feel good
>about,BUT that dosent mean I fully endorse it,I'm open to talk
>about what we can do to change things and it better, from the
>inside out perhaps.

respect due, sorry if I was tossing insults around but I just get pissed off as hell when fools promote negative stereotypical behavior of people of color. We ain't gonna get ahead or improve our collective voice, bleak situation in life unless we start promoting positive images of ourselves. Nothing wrong with partying, but there is something wrong if you can't party without killing someone because your ego got hurt. Fools need to check themselves. Oakland and the bay has some beauty but also got it's fucked up bleak situations and a lot of people don't want oakland to get better. Jerry brown wants to drive the black people out, gentrify the situation. But I don't hear any hyphy rappers rapping about that. Imagine if some hyphy video got played on mtv talking about jerry brown, about trying to improve drop out rates of high school kids. about some real shit instead of just "wyling out"? But people don't wanna deal with the real shit. They just wanna get high, drink, thizz and ghostride. I just wish there more people getting their shine that help to improve the community at large and promote positive images of people of color in the bay. it aint all drug dealers and gangstas, but that shit is a problem and needs to get addressed.
>

That's the stupidest thing said in this entire thread.

If you really think that, you obviously aren't listening.

'The fuck you looking at hip-hop objectively on MTV??? BTW The Assacre was trash.

My only real gripe with Hyphy is the use of the "movement" Label that shit a new wave of hip-hop or something else...

Other than that GO BAY! <---Yes' that's corny but I couldn't think of shit else to say.

things fall apart indeed :(



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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

...anytime you start callin' some shit a MOVEMENT, you deserve clowned.

Dudes was a ghost ridin' a plymouth cruiser on 20's, lol.
I was like, "are they for real?"
I don't mind the hyphy music and all that other shit. Every area has their own little things that other people can't understand, but that ghost ridin shit is just so unnecessary. One of them dudes gonna end up paralyzed, I swear to god.

there's a lot of great things about oakland and it's people, and a somewhat growing art community, but for the most part, it's schools are fucked up underfunded, crack is still everywhere, kids are going nowhere but dropping out of high school and you got this dumb ass "hyphy" shit that's telling kids to "go dumb" and further encouraging them to ride with their doors open or ghost ride. but ya big up the movement, just so we can get the bay some "shine." ya right. Heaven forbid you encourage a positive message in the music.

kids in Oakland are turning all of that negativity thrown at them by bad education, racist cops, and a CIA-supported crack epidemic into a creative, fun, entrepreneurial movement...and what are you doing in response???

STRAIGHT HATIN" ON THEM...just so you can cosmetically paint yourself as somehow smarter than them.

Have you ever restored an old car?

Have you ever air-brushed a t-shirt?

Have you ever coined any fresh slang that has caught on beyond your immediate circle of friends?

Have you ever made a keyboard beat dope enough to move large crowds into a frenzy?

Have you ever even been able to put a smile on the face of someone who the estblishment says has no hope?

This hyphy shit is designed to be fun apart from all of that other circumstantial bullshit.

It's like you want to blame the crap that society hatefully thrusts upon these kids on the kids themselves by holding them up to a standard that simply doesn't apply to their predicament.

They are doing the best they can with the tools at their disposal.

They have crafted a unique culture that is not only putting legit money in their pockets but also giving them a glimmer of how independently-owned business practice can be so rewarding.

There's so much good to this hyphy shit, yet you and your pathetic cohorts only want to accentuate the negatives, many of which aren't even specific to Oakland.

Seriously, some of y'all need to check yourselves.

>kids in Oakland are turning all of that negativity thrown at
>them by bad education, racist cops, and a CIA-supported crack
>epidemic into a creative, fun, entrepreneurial movement...and
>what are you doing in response???
>
>STRAIGHT HATIN" ON THEM...just so you can cosmetically paint
>yourself as somehow smarter than them.
>
>Have you ever restored an old car?

yes
>
>Have you ever air-brushed a t-shirt?

yes
>
>Have you ever coined any fresh slang that has caught on beyond
>your immediate circle of friends?

yes
>
>Have you ever made a keyboard beat dope enough to move large
>crowds into a frenzy?

yes
>
>Have you ever even been able to put a smile on the face of
>someone who the estblishment says has no hope?

yes
>
>This hyphy shit is designed to be fun apart from all of that
>other circumstantial bullshit.
>
>It's like you want to blame the crap that society hatefully
>thrusts upon these kids on the kids themselves by holding them
>up to a standard that simply doesn't apply to their
>predicament.
>

huh? so you accepting stupidity? my gf is a teacher in vallejo and let me tell you something you fucking texas-living idiot, that shit is destructive as fuck and it teaches kids to objectify women to some ill degree. you're a fucking idiot. you live in texas you don't know shit about the bay. who cares if you lived there years ago. if you really cared about these kids then you would encourage positivity, not kids hanging outside their fucking cars! are you a fucking idiot? so you want kids to get killed and their legs fucked up? ya that super hyphy video is great for little kids, showing women in bikinis,ya that's a great image for little kids.

>They are doing the best they can with the tools at their
>disposal.

some are doing better and don't get any shine. This is just another case of the only shit that gets attention is the most ignorant loud, outrageous shit. people love it when black people act like fools(i.e. "go dumb") Sorry homie, sideshows are fucking dumb and horrible for kids. No duh the government, city doesn't give a fuck about these kids. Doesn't mean you gotta go and act dumb as a response. A much more positive response, something constructive for these kids would be a much better thing for them.
>
>They have crafted a unique culture that is not only putting
>legit money in their pockets but also giving them a glimmer of
>how independently-owned business practice can be so rewarding.
>

ya cause E-40's really giving back to the kids?!!! LOL!!! those fools only care about hoes and money. keak don't do shit in the community, you're a fool, again, you live in texas, come out to the bay and you'll see.
>
>There's so much good to this hyphy shit, yet you and your
>pathetic cohorts only want to accentuate the negatives, many
>of which aren't even specific to Oakland.

so what's the positives? so you saying all these kids are gonna be rappers? make money in the rap game? ya about as much chance of them making it in the nba.
you don't know shit about oakland homie. encouraging kids to go "dumb" and hang outside their cars so they can fall out and mangle their legs or have sideshows where little kids get fucked up from an outof control car are not "cool." I know, I'm overreacting right? I seen sideshows homie. I seen kids hang outside their cars and fall the fuck out and almost get run over. the shit is stupid and has a negative ending, just like most of these kids futures.
>
>Seriously, some of y'all need to check yourselves.

nah homie, you do, take a step back from the hype and look at the bigger picture homie. life ain't all "party n bullshit."
>
>
>
>

while you're the lone genius.

Just keep thinking that as you watch from the sidelines as the world passes you by...

>while you're the lone genius.

I never said I'm the lone genius. But thanks for making yourself look like the victim. I know if you have any ounce of intelligence, or just maybe, maybe, reject ignorance and stupidity, you're labeled an elitist. If you really knew what I been through you would shut the fuck up and do your thizz face.


>Just keep thinking that as you watch from the sidelines as the
>world passes you by...
>
>

ya sure, but said you're realer than me right? you're a fucking crumb homie. keep writing for your texas paper and kissing artists asses in your interviews. Can't believe you call yourself a jounrnalist. Have some fucking balls once in a while and be critical of ignorance. It ain't bad. But then again, you'd rather fit in with the mainstream and go along with whatever ignorant dumb, creatively-devoid music trend that comes along right? Ya paul wall is dope homie! Keep it real! Real fake!

That way you can crack skulls instead of just getting all bent out of shape on the internet.

>That way you can crack skulls instead of just getting all
>bent out of shape on the internet.

that way you can make sure people of color never advance themselves, since you support coon music.

I already crack skulls, of numskulls like yourself. You're the one getting your panties all in a bunch homie. This shit is no skin off my back. You obviously hate that I make you look like a fool on here, replying to me a thousand times.

~Peace~

"In this thread, you made shit up."

Crunk was never a movement..northerners..*smh*

southerners....*smh*


>Crunk was never a movement..northerners..*smh*


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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

its just bay area cats makin a certain type of music isnt it?

and i havent heard a specific decision about what exactly it is

its all a gimmick for mass consumption. they figure
by taggin it a 'movement', its more likely to gain
attention, as opposed to just merely calling it the
'hyphy sound.'

and this being a visual world, what
better way to spread the 'movement' than by showing
negroes cooning & acting outta character.

outrageousness sells. minstrelsy is big in 2006 as evidenced
by the crunk 'movement', so why not hop on the band wagon?



>its just bay area cats makin a certain type of music isnt
>it?
>
>and i havent heard a specific decision about what exactly it
>is


-------------------
Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

>its all a gimmick for mass consumption. they figure
>by taggin it a 'movement', its more likely to gain
>attention, as opposed to just merely calling it the
>'hyphy sound.'
>
>and this being a visual world, what
>better way to spread the 'movement' than by showing
>negroes cooning & acting outta character.
>
>outrageousness sells. minstrelsy is big in 2006 as evidenced
>by the crunk 'movement', so why not hop on the band wagon?
>
>
>
>>its just bay area cats makin a certain type of music isnt
>>it?
>>
>>and i havent heard a specific decision about what exactly it
>>is
>
>
he'll reply to me a thousand times before he replies to the original poster. you couldn't be more on point. ignorance and coonery is in now. and it's cool to like it. the anti-intellectual thug image is still alive and well in '06!

just...*sigh*

this post is square like the second power...

quit ghost riding the dick!
--

.



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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

Get the fuck out of here with all that fuckin faggot ass hate! Hyphy been out for so long, way before bitch ass Crunk was around. Why u think Lil John is Co-Signin cuz he know how we do in da BAY! Everything u guys talk about we done talked about in like 1990! Quit fucking biting us you fuckin haters, we did everything first! Bitch ass Frachise Boys and D4L both Jacked thizzle dance moves! Not to mention every bitch ass south rapper i know jacks bay slang! Jeezy on that bobby brown huh! LOL. Not to mention who u think had Grills first! Mac Dre had his white gold and Diamond grill way before Gipps bitch ass! We started the Indepenent game.
So what if we be ghost ridin the whip? We be Scrappin in da scrapper u beezies! Goin hella dumb! We tired of all yall other gay shit! From now on strictly BAY SHIT! Mistah FAB will take on any of yall other area freestylers. 2 of the best rappers of all time came out the bay! Mac Dre and Pac! Master P started in the bay, even Games bitch ass sarted in the bay. We put people on to everything and we just tryna get a piece of the cut now! Time for us to get our shine back!

"Exploited by many, understood by few" - J-Live

so now it was around WAYYY before crunk huh?

'waaa waaa waaa...we get no credit'

same tired ass shitty retort for EVERYTHING. that's why ya'll don't get on, cuz you claim every damn thing and no one likes whiners

ya'll should learn from atlanta, keep the complaining to a minimum (or cleverly disguise it in songs) and handle your business

>so now it was around WAYYY before crunk huh?
>
>'waaa waaa waaa...we get no credit'
>
>same tired ass shitty retort for EVERYTHING. that's why ya'll
>don't get on, cuz you claim every damn thing and no one likes
>whiners
>
>ya'll should learn from atlanta, keep the complaining to a
>minimum (or cleverly disguise it in songs) and handle your
>business


for the record... hyphy was around before crunk as it dates back to the late 80's... back then it wasnt the "endearing" term it is now though... back then if you were hyphy, you were out of control and niggas wouldnt always fuck with you...

oh kinda like its cool to be 'gangsta' now???

believable scenario...

>oh kinda like its cool to be 'gangsta' now???
>
>believable scenario...


Exactly... heres a good example of the transformation of "Hyphy":

1992:

scenario:

A car three deep just left the liquor store and is about to hit the freeway on its way to the club...

Passenger: "that nigga John Doe wants you to stop by his crib and pick him up on the way"

Driver: "FUCK NO!!! that hyphy ass nigga aint riding with me to the club, last time he rode out with us, we all got 30 days cause he stuck a 40 up the ass of a police horse"


2006:

scenario:

Sunday morning a man, obviously hung over from the night before, gets a phone call from a friend who didnt make it to the function...

Caller: Cuzzo, what happened at that shit last??

Drunken Man: That shit was off the chain.. everybody was getting stupid, dumb, retarted and riding the yellow bus... that shit was hyphy ass fuck cuzzo... you missed out!


Alot of the younger generation tfrom the Bay that you encounter on the net fail to illustrate how cats from my generation (70's babies, 30 somethings now) laugh at that shit... the Bay we remember and love musically in terms of hiphop was that old Mob Shit!! Personally, I'm not against the new era having fun... but at the expense of further promoting ignorance to a generation of crack babies living in a poor ass city like mine is damn near inexcusable... Its only March and already the murder rate for 2006 is above 50... thats crazy for a city with only 350k people... protestors formed a rally just last night with cries for a State of Emergency due to the violence and murders in the city... add to that the fact that the public school system is in such dissarray financially that its now state run (since 2001/20002)... the drop out rate is at an all time high... speaking of high, the kids new drug of choice (well second to purple of course) is ecstacy... again when I say kids I'm saying 15-16 year old kids are turning up at alarming rates a fried out off "X"...

But who's "quarterbacking the movement"?? A 40 year old nigga from the suburbs who travels with security and has NEVER been to a sideshow, which is like the mecca of hyphy-ness!!! But you didnt hear that from me, you heard that from LIFT!!!

-100

.

yea fuck slick rick and cats out east that were doing that shit waaay before YALL.

mufuckas are stupid trying to claim some shit...
you ain't original...none of these fools are including you and me...just shut the fuck up and enjoy life.

and Gipp is 'bitchass'?
you got problems homie.

>yea fuck slick rick and cats out east that were doing that
>shit waaay before YALL.
>
>mufuckas are stupid trying to claim some shit...
>you ain't original...none of these fools are including you and
>me...just shut the fuck up and enjoy life.
>
>and Gipp is 'bitchass'?
>you got problems homie.


I'm from Oakland and I'll be first to tell you that grills became popular fist in the SOUTH!!! back in the late 70's/early 80's... if you black, talk to your relatives (the older ones) down south about grills... or better yet, you can peep the poster of ex-NBA player Darrell Griffith where he posed with his two piece grill... I had that poster on my wall back in 83'....


In regards to Slick Rick and cats out east doiong that shit before us, they'd had have to been doing it prior to 88'... cause thats when I first started occassionallly started seeing dudes out here pop up with gold teeth... it became normal and a trend in 92'... back then (1992) you were considered square if you got the pull out grill and didnt come permanent... to this day there's a good number of niggas in their mid-thirties walking around the city with chunky ass 14k gold looking grills (all 32 teeth!) with their street name engraved on them bitches!!! HAHA... thank God, he didnt make me a follower!

are the same folks who would be the frontline soldiers in the so-called revolution that so-called conscious artist alwyas allude to yet never do anything about.

If you would take the time to get to know the people involved in such a scene instead of just cherry-picking the negative surface stuff in order to boost your own self-important ego, then you would see that there's a stupid-fun side to hyphy and a very serious side to hyphy.

My favorite part of that MTV My Block episode was when San Quinn said "but the stuff I'm saying ain't funny".

>are the same folks who would be the frontline soldiers in the
>so-called revolution that so-called conscious artist alwyas
>allude to yet never do anything about.
>
>If you would take the time to get to know the people involved
>in such a scene instead of just cherry-picking the negative
>surface stuff in order to boost your own self-important ego,
>then you would see that there's a stupid-fun side to hyphy and
>a very serious side to hyphy.
>
>My favorite part of that MTV My Block episode was when San
>Quinn said "but the stuff I'm saying ain't funny".
>
>


EXACTLY!!!

>are the same folks who would be the frontline soldiers in the
>so-called revolution that so-called conscious artist alwyas
>allude to yet never do anything about.
>
>If you would take the time to get to know the people involved
>in such a scene instead of just cherry-picking the negative
>surface stuff in order to boost your own self-important ego,
>then you would see that there's a stupid-fun side to hyphy and
>a very serious side to hyphy.
>
>My favorite part of that MTV My Block episode was when San
>Quinn said "but the stuff I'm saying ain't funny".
>
>
you're an idiot. reaching for truths that ain't there.

I wouldn't mind if the music was dope..but its just not. And the fools in the club starting shit with people to this dumbass whackness need to quit.

Thats what I don't understand...Half the shit I've heard is all about some slang over monotone beats. How you gonna start a riot over some "Tell me when to go" type shit. Fuck all that nonsense talk. Ya'll dudes sound like you're from a cartoon and shit. Fuck a scraper, I'm drivin' a car, bitch.

>Thats what I don't understand...Half the shit I've heard is
>all about some slang over monotone beats. How you gonna start
>a riot over some "Tell me when to go" type shit. Fuck all that
>nonsense talk. Ya'll dudes sound like you're from a cartoon
>and shit. Fuck a scraper, I'm drivin' a car, bitch.


^^^ Classic example of "hating what you dont understand"...

Quick Lesson:

1. California's car culture >>>>> any other state in the country...
2. Oakland's ecomony and educational systems = trash...
3. Average sixteen year old from Brooklyn, NY with $3k in his pocket will purchase: clothes, jewelry, music, headphones, cellphone, clothes, and more jewelry...
4. Average sixteen year old from Oakland, CA with $3k in his pocket will purchase the following:

a.) A bucket (late model american car... muscle or sedan)... $500 - $800.
b.) Dopefiend mechanic... $50 for three days work...
c.) A Mess-i-can specializing in paint n body... $500 - 1k
d.) Tires... if muscle car ---> 4 tires for $400... If Sedan ---> 4 tires for $200
e.) Knock... (stereo, woofers, by-nines, amp)... $800 - $1200
f.) Pack of white tees 5 for $20...
g.) Three pack of air freshners for the whip... $2...
h.) (If he comes from a decent family environment) Insurance and Registration... $100
i) whatevers left gets spent on Purple and Music...


Summary... this is the evolution of the scaper, started by young kids with little to no money but were able to set a goal and see it through to completion... there's no hating that... most of us older Bay cats (30+), we wouldnt be caught dead in a scraper... but for the young dudes still iving at home or are struggling through college or just coming into adult hood... I cant knock their hustle...

>3. Average sixteen year old from Brooklyn, NY with $3k in his
>pocket will purchase: clothes, jewelry, music, headphones,
>cellphone, clothes, and more jewelry...
>4. Average sixteen year old from Oakland, CA with $3k in his
>pocket will purchase the following:

you can survive in NY w/out a car...from what i hear Cali ain't like that.

and LOL @ monotone beats.

Getting yourself started with a whip goes a lot farther than a bunch of clothes and shines that might play out in a few months (and I'm a jacket and sneaker pimp saying all this).

Of course ain't neither worth more than, say, moving out....but that's a discussion we can take to GD.

but yall are fuckin' proud of EVERYTHING.

good for you...that's special...i'm sure all you mentioned is strictly a Bay thing and no one else has any idea what you're talking about...or if they do it's cuz they bitin' right?

man...i ain't hating on the movement or the music or nothing...i'm just saying yall are a little overzealous in your pride and feeling you own everything and started everything...and I thought NY was bad...quit being so fucking proud of yourselves and do some cool shit that might make someone else proud.

>but yall are fuckin' proud of EVERYTHING.
>
>good for you...that's special...i'm sure all you mentioned is
>strictly a Bay thing and no one else has any idea what you're
>talking about...or if they do it's cuz they bitin' right?
>
>man...i ain't hating on the movement or the music or
>nothing...i'm just saying yall are a little overzealous in
>your pride and feeling you own everything and started
>everything...and I thought NY was bad...quit being so fucking
>proud of yourselves and do some cool shit that might make
>someone else proud.


Ask yourself this:

Why does the thought of a group of people you know NOTHING about, being proud of something you have NO understanding of, get you so ANGRY!!!

could it be YOU who is gay, SPREAD???

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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

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>Oluwaseun
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>"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're
>like 'Welcome you got mail"


Pay attention genius:

Bucket = liability insurance = $40/ month!!
Bucket = low registration = 60 bucks!!

next!

Fact remains you watched it... then scurried to your computer and created a thread about it... thus adding momentum to the "so-called" movement your calling into question... Now I'm from Oakland, born and raised, and I'll be first to admit that this shit is borderline trash and that there is DEFNITELY greater things we should be focusing on within the comunity other than trying to get back on the hiphop map (which in itself is corny to begin with but I'll save that for another day)... BUT... calling this whole (new age) hyphy shit a gimmick or a bite off crunk is 100% FALSE!!! For better or worse, we've been stage three wild out here for damn near three decades... I suggest you do a little more research on what it is your attacking and stop with the assumptions and generalizations... If you require more schooling on the subject, my office hours are open til Five Pacific!!

Nice Casual quote you got in your sig by the way... smh!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_oqjmyWoZmk&search=white%20people%20ghostriding

I'd hate hyphy shit too if that happened to me.

Dude had to have died.

wonder what happened to that cat?



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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

I can't begin to tell you how sad this shit makes me

...I love the song.


http://www.myspace.com/crutmusic
http://www.musicforamerica.org/node/100564
http://jbookmusic.blogspot.com
http://www.cafepress.com/mufalaka
http://www.cduniverse.com/default.asp?style=music&frm=lk_johnbook

THE AMPLIFIERZ: yes indeed

for real?

that's kinda slick. lol.

>it would be one thing if hyphy was a natural progression
>of crunk, but to me it seems e40 & nem actually
>concocted a plan to
>put the Bay on the map. but the 'movement' itself seems mad
>contriveded, gimicky & calculated imo.
>
>at least with crunk music, them cats were original and
>actually created a genre, and a REAL movement (although wack
>in itself.)
>these hyphy niggas are just hoppin the bandwagon. no?
>
>prove to me how this shit is relevant.

here's Mac Dre - california livin' from 93 and Black Dynasty - Deep East Oakland from 95 featuring cars swangin donuts (real low res vids but worth it):

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Iaz68Z6oLMM&search=mac%20dre%20california%20livin

http://youtube.com/watch?v=e5TAzfSdCaw&search=deep%20east%20oakland

I believe sideshows have been around since at least the early 80s, this is not a recent gimmick fad invented by e-40.

and the whole hyphy sound seems to me to be a natural evolution from Khayree, Ant Banks, Studio Tone's, etc. early 90s sound, not stolen from Atlanta. If anything I think crunk took its sound from a mix of the bay electro funk & the memphis sinister "tear the club up" style.

>and the whole hyphy sound seems to me to be a natural
>evolution from Khayree, Ant Banks, Studio Tone's, etc. early
>90s sound, not stolen from Atlanta. If anything I think crunk
>took its sound from a mix of the bay electro funk & the
>memphis sinister "tear the club up" style.

This excellent point bears repeating.

its ridiculous, yes indeed...

it may just wind up puttin a fire under the west's ass tho... you know, since they beggin for attention and shit... its time to put up or shut up...

whether you like it, agree, or whatever... the south has established themselves... once upon a time the west had an identity but that has obviously changed...

do i want to see them succeed, yes... do i believe this will be their niche, nah... but hell, its a start...

Nah, bruh, I'll pass....

If you mean we here in L.A. should use the momentum to bring attention to what we're doing down here, I'll go with that.

If you're saying we should all make hyphy music, you can hang that notion up now. Though there's quite a few clown youngstas that will take anything stupid that the streets are doing and try it, hoping for hoes and clout.

Oakland can definitely keep ghostridin'. It's bad enough heads down here do all them donuts on the Shaw.

im not encouraging the whole west coast to start 'actin a ass', but to use the temporary spotlight to actually show and proove...

cause truth be told, if hyphy is all they have to offer right now, i sense doom for the west coast movement... for another decade or so...

i can count the number of E-40 songs i like without needing to use my toes...but THIS SONG IS A GOTDAMN BANGER.

and after watching the video, i must be missing what ever supplemental videos y'all have seen to clown hyphy so hard.

i didn't see anything that looked like i haven't seen it in another video before. what am i missing?

>i can count the number of E-40 songs i like without needing
>to use my toes...but THIS SONG IS A GOTDAMN BANGER.
>
>and after watching the video, i must be missing what ever
>supplemental videos y'all have seen to clown hyphy so hard.
>
>i didn't see anything that looked like i haven't seen it in
>another video before. what am i missing?

you'll see why people clown on this shit so hard.

Lighten up already. The shit ain't that serious.

You see, this is where you are blinded by your whiteness! the black community don't need this same retread mysoginistic bullshit in 06 homie. The shit is different when it's people of color replicating this bs. Trust me homie, it is. That's some typical white boy talk-lighten up brah. ya it's just coons being coons. you see lighthearted partying when you see black people treating women like hoes and riding outside their cars, we see it differently. We see the black community promoting ignorance, mysogony, and reckless behavior that the black community does not need any more of. Thanks for trying homie. Can't believe you said van halens hot for teacher!! That proves you don't get it homie. as people of color we have a little more social responsibility than white people when we are out in the public. It's fucked up, but it's just that way. I know you think all people should be able to act stupid and hurt eachother and fucking treat women like shit, but sorry, a lot of us don't wanna replicate hot for teacher and think it's going backwards. We still aren't equal even though texas thinks so.

so show us your followers.

The Superhyphy viseo is almost an exact replica of the Hot for Teacher video. Just because your reaching-ass want to apply differing standards between black and white videos just so that you can once again come down on the black folks you're constantly trying to pull rank on does not mean shit to anyone but you.

That's what you need to get.

>so show us your followers.
>
>The Superhyphy viseo is almost an exact replica of the Hot for
>Teacher video. Just because your reaching-ass want to apply
>differing standards between black and white videos just so
>that you can once again come down on the black folks you're
>constantly trying to pull rank on does not mean shit to anyone
>but you.
>
>That's what you need to get.
>

Pulling rank? wtf are you talking about? I'm a person of color who hates being stereotyped for what I look like. You will never know what it is like to be a person of color in this country and what social responsibility comes with that homie. Get the fuck of your white high horse. Coming down on black folks? Wtf are you talking about? You're the one buying into the hype, buying into the bafoonery that white people love to put on black folks and other people of color and that these hyphy artists are reguritating. This shit isn't new. It would be much more threatening to white people if this music contained political messages, racial pride, uplifting people of color, inner city improvement, but it doesn't and you don't get that.

Now listen idiot, there's a reason why different standards should be applied to black and white videos. There is a disparity between black and white wealth and education, etc, in this country, I know you hate to acknowledge that. A white person can get away with being stupid and dumb and not be stereotyped because of that behavior. However when people of color act that way the shit has farther reaching damaging elements in the community. Stupid behavior like this shouldn't be celebrated anyways but you obviously disagree on that basic idea. I can't believe you're still arguing this. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. Just because you buy hyphy cds doesn't mean you know shit about racism in this country. Go download the newest keak da sneak and ignore the negativity it helps encourage in the bay. You're a fucking tool. You love bafoonery, and you are scared of intelligent people of color. That is obvious.

>so show us your followers.
>
>The Superhyphy viseo is almost an exact replica of the Hot for
>Teacher video. Just because your reaching-ass want to apply
>differing standards between black and white videos just so
>that you can once again come down on the black folks you're
>constantly trying to pull rank on does not mean shit to anyone
>but you.
>
>That's what you need to get.
>

but I have mentored a lot of young kids. Stop trying to twist criticism of horrible destructive behavior into "coming down on black folks." You're like fucking the ghetto police and shit, I know can't criticise anything from the ghetto, that would be hating. Thanks for telling me what's up in the hood mr gabriel. Your 5 years in oakland means nothing to any person of color whose lived their whole life in this racist country. Not to mention that's a fucking insult to any one who has. Wow, you're so hard, walking through dangerous neighborhoods! wow, you're so down! Try living your life in dangerous neighborhoods, with racism over your head all the time! You made a choice to live there homie. You're white! You've had the ability to live anywhere you want to! Check yourself!

No one is clownin' hyphy because a video... Actually, outside of the net, there arent many who are clowning it to begin with... there's a lot of people who are caught on the fence with it (myself included) for the following reasons:

1. Town pride is a muthafucka and most of us that are really from Oakland, have been on some hyphy shit at one time or another in our lives... we know that shit isnt right, but it is a part of our history in behavior... we, the older cats like me, who used to ride down Foothill all day/everyday back when the Sideshow was real (1985 - 1996) love seeing us get that push again...

HOWEVER, on the flip side, the black community (in Oakland) is in danger right now... the murder rate is past 50 for the year already (per 350k population), the high schiool drop out rate and teen pregnancy is at an all-time high, the public school systems budget is being ran by the state due to the embezzeling of funds by top ranking officals within the district, AIDS is on the rise within the community, drug use amongst the underaged is bananas, etc... etc.. etc... and all of this negative bullshit is getting a MAJOR motivational push by this generations misunderstanding of the word HYPHY...

2. The movement is getting misrespented by a 40 year old cat that is more DETATCHED from the streets than his p/r folks would want you to realize... On top of that he's from Vallejo, a city that is laughed at and considered a joke in terms of style and flavor, by niggas from Oakland... We always considered them dudes GAME GOOFY... and whats a better example than a 40 year old man who lives in one the most prestigious and rich areas of the Bay Area, self-proclaiming himself as the "quarterback" of a movement that motivates and condones children from impoverished backrounds to further celebrate ignorance, drug use, and violence???

I like E-40, have met and kicked it with the dude on a few occassions, but he lost points with this one in my book...

So on tha note, in terms of me being on the fence, my feet and face are facing the side thats pro-community, while "Town Love" can kiss my ass...

Good post

it's just some hip-hop shit that has to do with dancing and whatnot.

But when E-40 and the Mossie says "Go Ignant" it means that kids should abandon their education and check themselves into jail.

OK, I see now.

>it's just some hip-hop shit that has to do with dancing and
>whatnot.
>
>But when E-40 and the Mossie says "Go Ignant" it means that
>kids should abandon their education and check themselves into
>jail.
>
>OK, I see now.
>
>
>

Thats generic ass hell.... Mantronix wasnt celebrating nor provoking ignorance... I'm from the turfs of Oakland man... you cant sugarcoat the fact that black people are LOSING out here at alarming rates!!! Walk the streets of the town with me, then tell me how hyphy has helped anyone... talk to the familys who lost loved one's due to hyphy behavior...talk to the 17 year old kid addicted to "thizz" (ecstacy).... shit, talk to the brothers sitting up in the pen right now because of hyphy shit they did 15 years ago... talk to the brothas and sistahs in rehab or struggling with drug addiction due to getting ignorant and hyphy during the formative years of their life... this shit is poison and nothing more than this melleniums version of CRACK, gift wrapped in paper labeled as "fun"... As a black man, I'm more in tune with my people in my city getting educated and having moral responsibility than I am getting on the hiphop mainstream map... 'fuck you from??

>Thats generic ass hell.... Mantronix wasnt celebrating nor
>provoking ignorance... I'm from the turfs of Oakland man...
>you cant sugarcoat the fact that black people are LOSING out
>here at alarming rates!!! Walk the streets of the town with
>me, then tell me how hyphy has helped anyone... talk to the
>familys who lost loved one's due to hyphy behavior...talk to
>the 17 year old kid addicted to "thizz" (ecstacy).... shit,
>talk to the brothers sitting up in the pen right now because
>of hyphy shit they did 15 years ago... talk to the brothas and
>sistahs in rehab or struggling with drug addiction due to
>getting ignorant and hyphy during the formative years of their
>life... this shit is poison and nothing more than this
>melleniums version of CRACK, gift wrapped in paper labeled as
>"fun"... As a black man, I'm more in tune with my people in
>my city getting educated and having moral responsibility than
>I am getting on the hiphop mainstream map... 'fuck you
>from??

When hyphy says "go dumb," it's talking about dancing wildly. The sideshow stuff comes into play as well. But it's not saying be an idiot your whole life.

And ecstacy is not physically addictive. It might be mentally addictive like marijuana is, but that's on the user.

>When hyphy says "go dumb," it's talking about dancing wildly.
>The sideshow stuff comes into play as well. But it's not
>saying be an idiot your whole life.

My man... I''ve been here on the frontlines with this since the grass roots of this shit 15 years ago... when they say "go dumb" its not all about "dancing wildly"... lol... let a muthafucka yell "go dumb" in the manner you discribe in the middle of a 1000 uneducated, intoxicated, drop outs who get a kick off of who can go the most ignorant and see what happens.... your crazy if you think they're all gonna start shaking their dreds or some shit... bottles are getting busted over niggas heads, women are getting snatched up, pistols are getting drawn, and some nigga is crying for help cause they stomping his brother across the street...

Your vision of hyphy is obviously coming from a video or documentary... its safe to assume you really dont know what your talking about, until you see it live at any of these locations:

Havenscourt and MacArthur
82nd and MacArthur
35th and High St.
High St. and Fairfax
23rd Ave.
98th Ave.
106th and MacArthur
Foothill Square
90th and MacArthur
90th and Bancroft
18th and Myrtle
The Lower Bottoms
Dog Town
@ 17th
Jimmy's
The Murder Dubs
Seminary Ave
East 14th
Foothill Blvd.
North Pole (59th and Shattuck Ave.)
Sobrante Park
Brookfield
Geoffrey's
Denny's in Emeryville

So you being the journalist and all, go and head over to any of these spots after dark and conduct some journalistic research... IF and when you return, let us know what you think of hyphy then lol...



>And ecstacy is not physically addictive. It might be mentally
>addictive like marijuana is, but that's on the user.


Its not on the user if Thizz = ecstacy and thizz is the most popular phrase out here next to "hyphy"... young kids are impressionable, and when the majority come from broken un-structured homes they find guidance in radio, TV, and niggas on the block...

What's with all of this, "if you like hyphy, then you've never been to Oakland and/or you don't undertsand black people" garbage that some of y'all are spitting in this thread?

I lived in the East Bay for 5 years, from 97-02. My wife went to Mills, located right in East O. We didn't have a car for most of that time. So it was BART, AC Transit, bicycles, and sneakers. As my man Eyecue put it, "I walk through places that your punk ass is scared to ride through".

I've seen plenty of sideshow activity first-hand. I've been in the midst of a 1,000 brothers on the block events. I've been to many weed spots. I've had to get out of places because of gunshots, the whole nine.

And the thing that gets me is that all of this hyphy stuff has been going on for the longest. Yet now is the time that y'all have picked to hate on it, like we're supposed to roll back the clock and denounce tha Luniz, denounce RBL Posse, denounce Dru Down, denounce 415, etc.

I resent the separation between the old and the new that some of y'all are trying to make just so that you can say that back when you were doing this dumb shit, it was cool, but now that younger kids are doing the same shit, it's not cool. I understand that people grow out of it as they mature, but it's pretty likeley that when y'all were 21 y'all weren't trying to hear any social critiques from old salty Club Nouveau r-n-b types the same way that y'all's words are falling on deaf ears now.

Seriously, why do y'all want to hate like this...because that's all that it is. And if there's one thing that Oakland rap has produced over the years more than anything else it is hate.

So what, kids are now popping pills and ghost-riding their whips. They were doing that 10 years ago too. They were doing that 15-20 years ago in Houston as well, which is where I went to high school. Maybe y'all have been against this kind of thing all along, which I doubt, but it looks like a punk move to me that the moment that some of these hyphy artists get a little national shine that y'all just then decide begin your campaign against them.

I mean, on E-40's Mail Man tape from 94, he's talking about "as long as I have my gat, I'm never broke". He even goes as far as describing himself raping a chick in that same song. And whether y'all complained and wanted people to bocott him for such a thing, 40's still here making quality music.

In other words, if y'all like it or not, this shit can't be stopped by whining about it and calling people who support it out on any sliver of weak, misinformed personal attack that y'all can come up with. Of course being a fan of hyphy implies measurung out the bad against the good of it. But y'all have chosen to strictly accentuate the bad, which leaves all of that good being completely ignored. And that is as wrong a way to deal with this shit as any overtly racist cop-like enforcer would ever choose to do.

Again, y'all are looking at these kids doing their thing and only looking at the bad of it. That is so messed up to me.

Yet y'all are trying to explain that negative projection away by saying that y'all are only doing it in the kids' best interests. Again, y'all sound like dirty cops who beat kids for nothing, yet claim that they are doing it for the good of the community.

I'm a grown man with a wife and a child. Don't think I don't understand where y'all's concerns are coming from. What I don't understand are your methods for expressing those concerns, which always coincidentally seem to simultaneously point your own selves out as somehow superior in intellect to those who y'all are dissing. It's so fucking self-seving of y'all, it's ridiculous.

Yeah, all of these thousands of fans of hyphy who are for the most part only having fun with it are all idiots while y'all are the Captain Save a Hoe's in waiting scheming to teach them all a better way. GTFOOHWTBS!

Yeah, it would be great if the hyphy moevment had more of an intelligent side to it. Oh wait, they do. It just means that you listen to San Quinn, Frontline, Zion I, and Slumplordz instead of Turf Talk and Nump. There are many shades of hyphy, but again and again y'all are choosing to only look at the negatives.

And whether songs are promoting ecstacy use or not, there is no way that ecstacy could ever become the next crack. As I mentioned, it's not physically addictive. People certainly like the way it can make them feel. But there's no way it can be compared to crack when it comes to a fiend needing hundreds of dollars worth of it a day just to get a monkey off of their back.

>What's with all of this, "if you like hyphy, then you've
>never been to Oakland and/or you don't undertsand black
>people" garbage that some of y'all are spitting in this
>thread?

I never said that... what i was saying in regards to this, is that at the age YOU are if you still calculate having dangerous fun and making a noise musically in the mainstream is greater than reducing the murder rate, teen pregnancy, drunk driving, drug abuse, unemployment, and a piss poor graduation rate in the city... You're a muthafucking fool!!!

>I lived in the East Bay for 5 years, from 97-02. My wife went
>to Mills, located right in East O. We didn't have a car for
>most of that time. So it was BART, AC Transit, bicycles, and
>sneakers. As my man Eyecue put it, "I walk through places that
>your punk ass is scared to ride through".

1. Mills is a private college in a gated surrounding surrounded by freeways with direct access out of the flatlands... dont mislead people into thinking its Castlemont High!!

2. I lived on 85th, 58th, Havenscourt... and got homeboys/family that I see regularly from the twomps, the bottoms, the pole, the 100's, Brookfield, Seminary, the Dragons, Goodfellas, High St., 35th, Seminary, etc... you walk through here popping that shit you'll get stuffed and mounted... real talk!


>I've seen plenty of sideshow activity first-hand. I've been in
>the midst of a 1,000 brothers on the block events. I've been
>to many weed spots. I've had to get out of places because of
>gunshots, the whole nine.

1. what whole nine??
2. Name some weed spots...
a. What LEGENDARY weed spot had the "fence" at the end of its name??
b. What legendary weed spot was across the street from Castlemont?
c. What cross street did the legendary weed spot on 84th ave cross?
3. You seen a sideshow first hand where? When?

>And the thing that gets me is that all of this hyphy stuff has
>been going on for the longest. Yet now is the time that y'all
>have picked to hate on it, like we're supposed to roll back
>the clock and denounce tha Luniz, denounce RBL Posse, denounce
>Dru Down, denounce 415, etc.

Like I said in another post... I'm sitting on the fence with the hyohy movement because I'm torn between town pride (which is innate behavior) which I know is foolish but whatever... and knowing whats right... and thats these kids in 2006 (you know the grown CRACK babies from the 80's) need something more positive to embrace than hyphy!!! Hyphy is cool/traditional and all, but the timing of its presense couldnt be more wrong... start with the murder rate for 06'...

>I resent the separation between the old and the new that some
>of y'all are trying to make just so that you can say that back
>when you were doing this dumb shit, it was cool, but now that
>younger kids are doing the same shit, it's not cool. I
>understand that people grow out of it as they mature, but it's
>pretty likeley that when y'all were 21 y'all weren't trying to
>hear any social critiques from old salty Club Nouveau r-n-b
>types the same way that y'all's words are falling on deaf ears
>now.

Name one kid that you know from Oakland... again, I'm here on these streets DAILY... I got god-children, neices and nephews, cousins, and a child of my own FROM OAKLAND that, again, I deal with daily!!! Just because I did something when I was younger dont mean I'ma condone the next generation to do the same... thats some dumb ass logic... again where the 'fuck you from???

>Seriously, why do y'all want to hate like this...because
>that's all that it is. And if there's one thing that Oakland
>rap has produced over the years more than anything else it is
>hate.

How am I hating?? Hating on what?? I'm giving you a dose of reality from the frontlines homeboy... "Oakland 101"... real game... and your missing it and letting it go over your head in the name of hiphop.... lol

>So what, kids are now popping pills and ghost-riding their
>whips. They were doing that 10 years ago too. They were doing
>that 15-20 years ago in Houston as well, which is where I went
>to high school. Maybe y'all have been against this kind of
>thing all along, which I doubt, but it looks like a punk move
>to me that the moment that some of these hyphy artists get a
>little national shine that y'all just then decide begin your
>campaign against them.

Muthafuckas was selling their children for CRACK 15-20 years ago too, does that make it allright in 2006?? You're campaigning for ignorance man... wtf is wrong with you?? I knew Mac Dre and been to the house where helaid his head at... I know Richie Rich's arrogant ass, have met and chopped game with 40 on more than one occassion... same can be said about Vidal from the Delinquents, BART from 3 Times, Yuk back when him and sister got that settlement, G-Nut from Spice One's camp, family friends with Short, etc... and one thing about all of them dudes I named is that they are GOOD people... I couldnt say a bad thing about any of them personally and they all stand legit in terms of who they are as individuals, especially Vidal and Short... so how in the fuck am I hating on the artist?? They didnt start the hyphy movement, if anything there nothing more than the messenger... and Rich, Short, Yuk, Big V, and Bart dont even do "hyphy" music...

>I mean, on E-40's Mail Man tape from 94, he's talking about
>"as long as I have my gat, I'm never broke". He even goes as
>far as describing himself raping a chick in that same song.
>And whether y'all complained and wanted people to bocott him
>for such a thing, 40's still here making quality music.

There you go again with another blanket ass statement... what you gonna throw in next "White Lines"?? "Mary Jane" by Rick James?? Your danicng around the true focus of this shit.... lol

>In other words, if y'all like it or not, this shit can't be
>stopped by whining about it and calling people who support it
>out on any sliver of weak, misinformed personal attack that
>y'all can come up with. Of course being a fan of hyphy implies
>measurung out the bad against the good of it. But y'all have
>chosen to strictly accentuate the bad, which leaves all of
>that good being completely ignored. And that is as wrong a way
>to deal with this shit as any overtly racist cop-like enforcer
>would ever choose to do.

I've been hyphy and know first hand that the "good" of it only last until the high wears off... I spun my shit at my share of sideshows back in 93' (90th and Bancroft... 35th and High St.... East Mont parking lot... etc...) aint shit you can tell me about this I dont know and haven't experienced first hand already... again all I'm saying is that the timing of this so-called movement is not right and that there are much more important things we should be focusing on right now... the kids in the "City of Dope" have looooong needed a positive... If you really give a fuck about the quality of life out here, you wouldnt be debating my stance on the matter... If you really walked along the blocks you claim and have a bleeding heart you'd know what the fuck I'm talking about... but no, your a white boy fan of Bay Area music from Austin,Texas whose wife is paying back student loans to a private college that sat on the outskirts of the hood from when you and here did a five year bid in the town... I've been here 34 years and have done everything from be born to a 16 year old student at Oakland Tech in 1972, stand in line at Bushrod Park rec center for free cheese, watch my pops fall victim to the epidemic of the 80's, graduate high school, attend Merritt / Laney/ and Alameda Junior colleges, overlook the Mexicali Rose from the 5th floor window at North County, to turning my life around and graduating college and working for a Fortune 500 in downtown Oakland today... but here you are still going back and forth on how i should respond to an artform/trend I indirectly helped create... lol

>Again, y'all are looking at these kids doing their thing and
>only looking at the bad of it. That is so messed up to me.

I've experienced both the good and bad first hand... trust me, the bad outweighs the good.

>Yet y'all are trying to explain that negative projection away
>by saying that y'all are only doing it in the kids' best
>interests. Again, y'all sound like dirty cops who beat kids
>for nothing, yet claim that they are doing it for the good of
>the community.

what are standing against whats right for?? Really, what do you have to gain by hyphy (and its uderlying message to promote the negatives of our society to an impressionable age group) continuing to blow up?? Its almost like you want these black kids from the ghetto to stay in the ghetto...

>I'm a grown man with a wife and a child. Don't think I don't
>understand where y'all's concerns are coming from. What I
>don't understand are your methods for expressing those
>concerns, which always coincidentally seem to simultaneously
>point your own selves out as somehow superior in intellect to
>those who y'all are dissing. It's so fucking self-seving of
>y'all, it's ridiculous.

You dont know what the hell your talking about... I caught cases and did time over me acting ignorant and being young and wild... What I tell kids is my testimony, thats me giving back... I've been where these kids are and am trying to prevent them for heading down the same road I traveled... how in the fuck is that self-serving or acting superior?? what I'm doing is keeping it real with these kids... when I break down my story, it has substance to them because I'm cut from the same cloth they are... me not reaching out to them in this manner is a hoe move... I'd be a bitch for continuing to let these kids be led like sheep into a world of ignorance... I mean its cool for them to have their little fun, burn up the block, party and all that... but take of your business first and foremost... be accountable of all of your actions... how am I wrong "kicking the truth to the young black youth" as Deck would say... lol

>Yeah, all of these thousands of fans of hyphy who are for the
>most part only having fun with it are all idiots while y'all
>are the Captain Save a Hoe's in waiting scheming to teach them
>all a better way. GTFOOHWTBS!

I never said that.... read again!

>Yeah, it would be great if the hyphy moevment had more of an
>intelligent side to it. Oh wait, they do. It just means that
>you listen to San Quinn, Frontline, Zion I, and Slumplordz
>instead of Turf Talk and Nump. There are many shades of hyphy,
>but again and again y'all are choosing to only look at the
>negatives.

Zion I, San Quinn, Heiro, Frontline, etc.. arent hyphy and would tell you that to your face if you asked them that... they understand the lifestyle, and like me, aren't really against the lifestyle per se... but know that this movement isnt the best thing going for the state of mind that the Bay Area youth are entangled in present day...

>And whether songs are promoting ecstacy use or not, there is
>no way that ecstacy could ever become the next crack. As I
>mentioned, it's not physically addictive. People certainly
>like the way it can make them feel. But there's no way it can
>be compared to crack when it comes to a fiend needing hundreds
>of dollars worth of it a day just to get a monkey off of their
>back.

What you're comparing the lesser of two evils now?? None of that shit is good to begin with... especially when (outside of alcohol, weed, and black-n-milds) its (ecstacy) the most popular drug of choice amongst 15-25 year olds out here in the Bay Area and growing at a steady rate... If your so carefree with the thought of 14 and 15 year old kids popping ecstacy, smoking purple, and being addicted to tobacco answer this... would you let your child pop "X"
and smoke cheap ass cigars before he/she is old enough to get a drivers liscense?? didnt thnk so!

>I never said that... what i was saying in regards to this, is
>that at the age YOU are if you still calculate having
>dangerous fun and making a noise musically in the mainstream
>is greater than reducing the murder rate, teen pregnancy,
>drunk driving, drug abuse, unemployment, and a piss poor
>graduation rate in the city... You're a muthafucking fool!!!

You show me some sort of scientifically-proven correlation between the censorship of music and a drop in crime, and then we can talk. I would think that if you further repressed the youth's freedom of speech like you seem to be implying, that crime would increase.

Point being, you can't hate a problem away. You've got to provide better alternatives. That's where change comes from.

you hit the proverbial nail in the head with these:

>HOWEVER, on the flip side, the black community (in Oakland) is
>in danger right now... the murder rate is past 50 for the year
>already (per 350k population), the high schiool drop out rate
>and teen pregnancy is at an all-time high, the public school
>systems budget is being ran by the state due to the
>embezzeling of funds by top ranking officals within the
>district, AIDS is on the rise within the community, drug use
>amongst the underaged is bananas, etc... etc.. etc... and all
>of this negative bullshit is getting a MAJOR motivational push
>by this generations misunderstanding of the word HYPHY...

negroes cooning is not exclusive to the Bay at all and it wasnt
my intent to say or imply as much. its been a mainstay in our culture for quite some time now, unfortunately. however my intent was to expose the sheer extent to which cats will go to mobilize a
movement that blatantly labels us as subhuman(same goes for krunk)
especially in a historically grounded place as the Bay Area. home
to black revolutionaries & some complex minds of our time.
cliche as it sounds, but this movement really is setting us back in time.


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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

Because you seem to be getting them confused...as if every black person in America is inherently part of the same cohesive culture???

Maybe that's your wished-upon ideal. But that sure isn't reality.

However you slice & dice it, it sets black folks
back and hip-hop as a culture simutaneously.
Stereotypes run rampant though. Black ppl in America
aren't all of the same cohesive culture, but when
folks start cooning, do you think uppper crust whiteys,
or any whitey for that matter are capable of separating
coons from non-coons? Of course not.



>Because you seem to be getting them confused...as if every
>black person in America is inherently part of the same
>cohesive culture???
>
>Maybe that's your wished-upon ideal. But that sure isn't
>reality.
>


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Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

was more along the lines of: what right do you think you have to pull rank on a culture that you are obviously not a part of?

Where you sit, you're not even able to accurately decipher what hyphy is trying to tell you. And your black skin doesn't seem to be helping you in that regard.

I understand that when you see black people on tv doing embarrassing things that you know that others may apply those embarrassing things to you soloely based on skin color. But that's simply some dumb shit that you need to ignore rather than trying to monolithically dictate to every black person in America what their culture should truly be instead.

Fact is, there are far too many sub-cultures in America, many that transcend racial lines, for you to be thinking everyone is part of the same group.

It's like you've inherited the thought process of racist America as your own personal given. And I think that's some bull...coming from a KKK member AND/OR coming from you.

> what right do you think you have
>to pull rank on a culture that you are obviously not a part
>of?

Plenty. As a black man i can call bullshit where i see fit,
specially when it involves the demoralizing & blatant minstrelsy
afflicting black folx.
Sure i wasnt part of the creative process, but as a paying
consumer & connoseur of the artform, I also have the rights to yank
the plug here as well.


>Where you sit, you're not even able to accurately decipher
>what hyphy is trying to tell you. And your black skin doesn't
>seem to be helping you in that regard.

OK, what is hyphy tryna say then? skool me, Archaic!
As evidenced by this thread it was quite clear the overwhelming
social implications that hyphy apparently has on the area i wasnt
even aware of. On the surface its just music to you, but its really
life or death to many others.


>Fact is, there are far too many sub-cultures in America, many
>that transcend racial lines, for you to be thinking everyone
>is part of the same group.

Again, your outsider perception rears its ugly head.
I guess being that your white, you've never been subjected
to being judged or stereotyped solely based on your skin color.
Like i said earlier, whitey seen one person acting a coon, then
ALL blacks must be coons. Am i generalizing? Possibly. But theres
been one too many instances where said stereotyping have
perpetuated itself.


>It's like you've inherited the thought process of racist
>America as your own personal given. And I think that's some
>bull...coming from a KKK member AND/OR coming from you.

What can i say? iI was raised in AmeriKKKa. lol



-------------------
Oluwaseun

"When I walk into the bank its like loggin' on AOL... they're like 'Welcome you got mail"

"we ain't listenin' " is lavarocks!

People still talkin' about this hyphy shit? Fuck a keek da sneak

big up to all the bay folks AND FOLKS FROM ALL OVER SHOWING THE YAY ARTISTS love.

with all this "movement" talk wasnt hip-hop a south bronx movement?
san francisco is the 2nd most densly populated city in the US next to NYC. you've probably been to "san francisco" but have you been to "the yay?"

i thought game recognized game?
treal recognized trill?
cuz when i see cats doin their thing i give em love yaddda?

yes we got pride in everything. sorry if our big rappers including their "street hustle" into their music. maybe they should front and do what sells so we can gain acceptance from other communities.

like e-40 said. like the sf chronicle will say. everything we're doing niggas be catching on 4-5 years later. hate all you want but please remember the BAY when the music industry hustle catches up with us.

its about independent hustle vs. big business record companies. take a look at YOUR community. our "hyphy" niggas aint no different from those poor brothas in your community trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents. we just got our independent game tight. you watch the mtv2 sucka free countdown with e-40 on it? juve, ghostface, and jim jones ALL gave their respect cuz like the kids say...trill recognize trill. all the ARTISTS know you don't diss the bay cuz everybody be making MONEY off of us and cant name the places. ask jihad.

you see how the bay likes to spread information? jams. internet. myspace. youtube. etc. etc. etc. are these legit forms of spreading information and music today? ask yourself that in 4-5 years.

take this to GD? take this to activist? take this to sports? nah, its all bay. i dont condone jumping on cars, poppin thizzles, smoking weed all day, or wreckless driving. game recognize game.

disco died thanks to hiphop. i must be smokin the same shit qtip was when he compared jazz and hiphop...cuz what im seeing looks like a new cultural movement.

4-5 years ahead of the rest of the country. BIATCH!


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I Gotta Testify, My School Needs Some New Supplies!!
- A Community Fair

Presented by AYPAL in unity with Youth Together

Saturday, March 11, 2006
Time: 11:00AM-3:00PM
Location: Fruitvale Transit Village (34th and International Blvd.)

For More Info: Muey C Saephan (510) 869-6033

Please come and join AYPAL to support our More Funding for School campaign. This Community Fair is to help inform youth about the Williams Settlement and get parents, students, community groups, teachers, and "any individual" to fill out a complaint forms; so we can tell'em how our school is affected. Williams Settlement provides up to $1 billion for the lowest-performing schools base on Academic Performance Index (API) deciles 1-3, which 62 Oakland public Schools are eligible to get these funds. (More details about Williams at the end of the email)

Get Hyphee!!

Youth Together will release Williams Poster: "Students and Parents: Know Your Rights"

AYPAL youth will host numbers of educational booths with games to help everyone understand the Williams Settlement and current situations that our schools are facing.

Free Food and Educational Booths

***Live Performances, and Music by:***

* Kiwi and DJ Phatrick
* Brown Buffalo Project
* Chino Flaco and Young Tey
* Airstep Breakin’ Crew
…and more!

Tell’em What You Want What You Really Want:

AYPAL's Campaign Demands:
- Fully Funded Schools
- Equitable Resources across School Sites
- Full compliance with the William’s Case Settlement


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Background on Williams VS. California

Williams vs.. California was a class--action lawsuit on behalf of thousands of public school children denied basic educational necessities.

Filed on May 17, 2000, on behalf of Eliezer Williams, a middle school student in San Francisco, and thousands of public school children.

Challenged the State's failure to provide all California students with basic educational necessities.

Claimed that the state is Violating the California Constitution by failing to ensure the plaintiffs are receiving basic educational necessities enjoyed by most children across the State.

The lawsuit focused on: Inadequate learning facilities, lack of textbooks and instructional materials, lack of access to qualified the teachers.
After over four years of litigation, the State (under the leadership of Governor Schwarzenegger) agreed to the settle the lawsuit on August 13, 2004

Last year, the California Legislature and the Governor passed laws to implement the settlement.

State agencies have also issued new regulations to comply with the term of settlement.


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Williams Settlement provides up to $1 billion

- $800 million for emergency facilities repairs for the years 2004-2008: API Deciles 1-3

- $138.7 million for textbooks for the lowest performing schools: API Deciles 1-2

- $50 million to implement the settlement in 2004-05, including $25 million for a first time, statewide facilities inventory of the lowest performing schools

- Continue the High Priority Schools Grant Program maintaining $200 million a year

- Make it easier for credentialed teachers from other states to gain a California credential


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What can I file a Williams complaint about?

Complaints can address instructional materials, teachers, and school facilities. Some examples:

- You are missing textbooks to use in class or at home, or your textbooks or materials are unusable due to damage.

- You are in grades 9-12 and your science lab does not have working equipment.

- You have a long-term substitute teacher from the start of the year.

- Your teacher is not trained in his or her subject or is not trained to teach English Language Learners, even though ELL students make up 20% or more of the students in your classroom.

- Your school facilities are hazardous, have rats or roaches, or need emergency repair.

if you know kiwi, or any of his music you would know that fool is mad political, funny you don't see keak or e-40 at any of these local political events. I guess they're working too hard getting they're money on(c) ray luv. I love the bay, but let me see these hyphy artists at these political events. I know they all donate money and have programs for the bay, but let me see them actually speak some where promoting some real change in the bay.

and i cant knock using the term to promote something positive.

go start yo own shit.

go!

shit, find 1 thread I started, period.

bitch

than any other form of "gangsta rap" made since the late 80s. Drug use, violence, carefree/less partying & fucking have been lyrical staples for close to 20 years now, and hyphie has significantly FEWER references to drug dealing than say, Young Jeezy, Diplomats, Clipse, etc. etc. etc.

None of the hyphie cd's & mixes I've heard are fucking w/ Pooh Man - Life of a Criminal in terms of sheer fuck the world nihilism, and that came out in 1990.

I don't have any pretensions to insider-status, my only exposure to the Bay has been through its music, so I'll take the Oakland old-timer's word that sideshows today are significantly worse than they were in their youth. But I don't think the new music is to blame.

In any case the OP's main beef wasn't w/ hyphie's damaging impact on the Oakland community, but simply that the it looks stupid & embarassing to black folk worldwide if it's shown on MTV. I personally think it looks refreshingly inhibition-free. Too much poser / I'll only dance if I'm grinding some hoe attitude in hip hop clubs (at least where I'm at).

The same people who think hyphy is bad for people must really just hate rap music. If you don't like it aesthetically, that's fine: go find some shit that appeals to you, but all these arguments like its damaging the community: GTFOH. Seriously.

the bay is in. but this music sure is encouraging the perpetuation of it, and promoting horrible stereotypes. don't just go off "tell me when to go" video.

This "situation" you speak of has been a reality for, what, 20+ years in Oakland? And the gangsta rap of yore that ran the streets until recently was at LEAST as harmful than this current hyphy business, if not gratuitously more so.

So if ur one of the types that just isn't down for music that perpetuates a violent culture or whatever (i.e. most rap, and specifically gangsta rap), then I can at least understand your viewpoint even tho I don't agree with it. But to isolate hyphy as the chief offender is just ludicrous. I can also understand people just not feeling the sound, which is cool too, but to say that hyphy is some new danger or threat to communities is just stupid. I mean, really. It really makes you sound ignorant.

>This "situation" you speak of has been a reality for, what,
>20+ years in Oakland? And the gangsta rap of yore that ran the
>streets until recently was at LEAST as harmful than this
>current hyphy business, if not gratuitously more so.
>
>So if ur one of the types that just isn't down for music that
>perpetuates a violent culture or whatever (i.e. most rap, and
>specifically gangsta rap), then I can at least understand your
>viewpoint even tho I don't agree with it. But to isolate hyphy
>as the chief offender is just ludicrous. I can also understand
>people just not feeling the sound, which is cool too, but to
>say that hyphy is some new danger or threat to communities is
>just stupid. I mean, really. It really makes you sound
>ignorant.

who cares how long it's been going on? so because it's been going on forever we should just forgive the music for encouraging kids to ride out their fucking cars, with their doors open? kids be getting hurt, killed from that shit and you think its ok because the shits been going on for a while? it doesn't get it off the hook homie. Look all you guys are bigging up this hyphy movement, acting like its gonna revolutionize the industry and shit. Nah, and what makes it worse is where it's coming from, the east bay primarily, mostly, black, poor, drug infested, poor schools, etc, and you got fools promoting reckless behavior. I ain't isolating hyphy as the chief offender, but you guys and the rest of the industry is sure as hell isolating it as the only good thing to come out the bay. Fuck that! there's more than hyphy culture in the bay and not everyone in the bay buys into it. Look homie, it's allright to criticise negative shit. If you down for self-improvement and the uplifting of the east bay peoples then you would be able to look at this hyphy music and not buy into the hype.

I'm just sayin you must not like a lot of the music that has come out of the bay area. Getting down on hyphy while revering Too $hort or whoever else is stupid.

If you just don't like "street" music, or however you want to call it, I get you. But if ur trynna identify hyphy specifically outside of gangsta rap or street music or whatever as being harmful, I'm telling you you are deluding yourself to justify your personal tastes.

My point is I don't think music creates any of these situations, the situations create the music. I'm not mad at gangsta rap, hyphy music, or any of it.


It's cool if you are mad, it's just super hypocritical to pick and choose hyphy from the bunch.

>I'm just sayin you must not like a lot of the music that has
>come out of the bay area. Getting down on hyphy while revering
>Too $hort or whoever else is stupid.
>
>If you just don't like "street" music, or however you want to
>call it, I get you. But if ur trynna identify hyphy
>specifically outside of gangsta rap or street music or
>whatever as being harmful, I'm telling you you are deluding
>yourself to justify your personal tastes.
>
>My point is I don't think music creates any of these
>situations, the situations create the music. I'm not mad at
>gangsta rap, hyphy music, or any of it.
>
>
>It's cool if you are mad, it's just super hypocritical to pick
>and choose hyphy from the bunch.

ok homie, now what are we talking about here? I never revered too short. his shit was dope but I also recognized the mysogony in his rhymes and was never down with that shit. But I don't see how ignoring the negative shit in hyphy music/culture is helping anything. All that gangsta rap shit is mad corny and mad destructive for the bay community, if you don't realize that you're delusional. You live in the bay right? you see the fucked up situations that exist there right? I never said the music created it, I seen fools ghostriding in oakland long before this hyphy music existed. There's tons of other larger factors in why the east bay is fucked up, but promoting music that encourages and glorifies this reckless behavior ain't the thing to do. If you don't recognize that, that's your deal. I'd just rather see people in the bay promoting some positive images of people trying to improve themselves, improve their education, etc. It ain't bad to promote intelligence. I know partying sells but come on.

that promote those values, not hate on existing ones cuz they doin their thing.

The irony of this whole shit is I'm not even into hyphy like that. I see it as one facet of the bay movement. That's what's powerful, the bay rap scene in its entirety.

But I gotta reiterate that I DON'T blame music for shit that happens in my land. We create the music, it doesn't create us. It may not be the solution to our problems, but I don't think it's the problem-causer.

>that promote those values, not hate on existing ones cuz they
>doin their thing.
>
>The irony of this whole shit is I'm not even into hyphy like
>that. I see it as one facet of the bay movement. That's what's
>powerful, the bay rap scene in its entirety.
>
>But I gotta reiterate that I DON'T blame music for shit that
>happens in my land. We create the music, it doesn't create us.
>It may not be the solution to our problems, but I don't think
>it's the problem-causer.


hyphy isnt the problem-causer but its prolonging the shit in a blatent out in the open manner... I've been hyphy and done all kinds of wild shit in my day, and no music wasnt the cause per se... but just think back to when Short first blew up, if you go back that far, and imagine how the portrayal of that image sub-consciously affected the mindstate of our youth... I'm not blaming Short, cause he's just a messanger... but by delivering the message of what was percieved the in thing to do on the streets, gave a lot of impressionable kids the wrong interpretation of adulthood... sub-consciously... we're living in the days where the black male role model is hard to find and/or either absent in a lot of cases... add that to an impressionable group of kids who come from fractured homes and the problem continues... today are murder rate is over 50 for the year and we havent even hit the summer yet!... all I'm saying is that now aint the time to promote "going dumb"... at this pace the Oakland murder rate will be near 300 come Christmas!!! At what price are we sacrificing moras for mainstream fame?? 40's getting richer, but young Malik is the one thats suffering... sure, this shit has been going on out here for years... but when will enough be enough?? I love the town down to its stank ass drawls, but at this rate in twenty years Oakland will be white and mexican...

from what we were listening to in the early 90s (or 80s if you're a bit older than me)? What stereotypes are being pushed today that weren't being pushed on the first too short tapes?

>from what we were listening to in the early 90s (or 80s if
>you're a bit older than me)? What stereotypes are being pushed
>today that weren't being pushed on the first too short tapes?

and why do we have to rehash this shit that too short been banging from back in the day? People in the east bay are fed up with violence, with kids dropping out of school, and dying before 21 or going to jail for selling drugs, or getting addicted to drugs. Why can't we encourage some positive music that addresses these problems in the community instead of giving a name to and validating these deep rooted problems? It's like fools are saying, ya oakland/east bay is fucked up but we love to be fucked up and we ain't gonna change! like that's really some rebellious shit! come on now. listen, you think some white racist is really threatened with seeing black people act like fools? Nah, promoting positive images for these kids and a support network with tools in advancing with what little help from the government they get is much more threating to the general public. But no one wants to say that.

if you're categorically against ALL forms of "gangsta" rap I can respect that (although I disagree). But there's other people in this thread complaining about hyphie who clearly listened to its exact equivalent (actually a bit worse in terms of lyrics if you ask me) in their youth, grew up as fully functioning members of society, yet now think kids today are being irredeemably ruined by the latest dance craze.

and really, were things any better when Tower of Power ruled the charts?

sorry my girl is a teacher in vallejo and she sees the influence this music has on kids. You might not see that but it does exist. Kids are highly influential, especially when they come from broken homes and weak parental figures. you guys don't see this if you don't have any contact with the youth in these parts. who cares about when tower of power was big?!!!! That shit doesnt mean anything today. Ain't you tired of reguritating negative stereotypes of black people? seriously this culture aint uplifting no one. it's just replicating that whole gfunk/ too short era. but I guess you guys ain't tired of the coon images.

It's just folks letting off steam.

You are seemingly missing so much of the irony of hyphy...the reversed meanings, the inside joke of it all, the fun of it all.

It's like you are playing Chicken Little running around talking about the sky is falling as if someone dies at every sideshow or that overdoses occur every time that some drops a pill.

Maybe you should look within yourself as to why when you see black kids dancing wildly in the streets that it looks like cooning to you.

That's not what I see at all, and as you say it's not even my very own culture at work (I disagree with that of course because culture does not run strictly along racial lines). I see people having a good time, doing the things that they themselves have come up with for fun.

These crowds of fans have already grown locks, have already souped up their buckets, have already engaged in drug use, so obviously that's what they are factually into. But you want to come along and fictitiously pretend that they are instead into political rallies and higher education not only as something that you do during the week but something that you rap about at parties on Saturday nights. That just doesn't make any sense. Expect political activists to be activists. Expect teachers to inspire students. Expect parents to be role models. But rappers? From decades of precedents, you should expect them to be drug dealing gangstas. Why? Because that's who is up in the clubs at night where hip-hop lives. That's who's posted up on the block at all hours of the day and night to tell you what's poppin' on the streets.

I mean, it ain't your fault that you wish for some sort of revolution to change this stuff up into more positive areas. But no revolution will ever come from simply hating on what's already out there. If you want conscious rap to take hold, it has to be made to be seen as more appealing than the gangsta rap. And the last time I checked, proposing Slug as a more appealing artist than San Quinn on the streets of the Bay is simply not going to cut it no matter how many people you label as idiots.

>It's just folks letting off steam.
>
>You are seemingly missing so much of the irony of hyphy...the
>reversed meanings, the inside joke of it all, the fun of it
>all.
>
>It's like you are playing Chicken Little running around
>talking about the sky is falling as if someone dies at every
>sideshow or that overdoses occur every time that some drops a
>pill.
>
>Maybe you should look within yourself as to why when you see
>black kids dancing wildly in the streets that it looks like
>cooning to you.

wow, you just won't ever get it homie, your whiteness will always prevent you from seeing the replication of stereotypes and that's sad. You a white boy in hip hop and can't even see the blatant racism. You think those kids are proud of being black? They acting like white people think and believe they "should" act. like bafoons, like fools, like reckless kids that have no respect for themselves or for eachother. You're fucking white! Shut the fuck up! You don't know what coon images are. Go do your homework then come back to the hip hop world. This shit ain't helping an already fucked up situation in the bay. Seriously you don't get it.
>
>That's not what I see at all, and as you say it's not even my
>very own culture at work (I disagree with that of course
>because culture does not run strictly along racial lines). I
>see people having a good time, doing the things that they
>themselves have come up with for fun.
>

A good time? When's the last time you were in oakland? come back and you'll see all kinds of kids acting "hyphy" and having a "good time" dropping out of school, getting pulled under cars, selling crack, and beating each other up over glorified images of gangsterism, "wyling out," acting like white people want them to act like.

>These crowds of fans have already grown locks, have already
>souped up their buckets, have already engaged in drug use, so
>obviously that's what they are factually into. But you want to
>come along and fictitiously pretend that they are instead into
>political rallies and higher education not only as something
>that you do during the week but something that you rap about
>at parties on Saturday nights. That just doesn't make any
>sense. Expect political activists to be activists. Expect
>teachers to inspire students. Expect parents to be role
>models. But rappers? From decades of precedents, you should
>expect them to be drug dealing gangstas. Why? Because that's
>who is up in the clubs at night where hip-hop lives. That's
>who's posted up on the block at all hours of the day and night
>to tell you what's poppin' on the streets.

HUh? you make no sense kid. rappers always been street poets, telling you not only whats really going on, not only talking about partying, but also telling you how shit could be. You're ignorant, and have no sense of hip hop history or its social relevance. Try harder. I know rappers that are teachers, that are activists, that can do it all, and rap about feelgood party rhymes as well as political shit. There's no rules of hip hop that say if you a rapper you shouldnt rhyme about politics or try to promote positive images. But you however think instead they should be given carte blanche on promoting stupid foolish, ignorant, reckless behavior and thought. Thanks.
>
>I mean, it ain't your fault that you wish for some sort of
>revolution to change this stuff up into more positive areas.
>But no revolution will ever come from simply hating on what's
>already out there. If you want conscious rap to take hold, it
>has to be made to be seen as more appealing than the gangsta
>rap. And the last time I checked, proposing Slug as a more
>appealing artist than San Quinn on the streets of the Bay is
>simply not going to cut it no matter how many people you label
>as idiots.
>
I'm not "simply hating on what's already out there." You however are too scared to criticise negativity in music. You like the rest of the country, has accepted negativity, mysogony, stupidity, mediocrity as the new norm in hip hop, in life. I never said I was proposing Slug as a more appealing artist than quinn to people in the bay. That's my opinion homie. I ain't leading classes on why slug is a better rapper than quinn. That's some stupid words you putting in my mouth to try to make me look foolish and make yourself look like some hip hop professor. I never labeled you an idiot. You've made yourself one over and over, and over, and over in this post. When the dude from oakland even totally broke you down, you still try to come back on some I know oakland, I'll ignore the fucked up situation that it's in and the negative influence that this music has. Good for you. Slapping hoes in bikinis is a great image for kids. You should play that for yours, since you said this is the kids, teaching you what's up.

But do you really think people's actions are in direct response to the music? You don't think it could be the other way around?

Because if the music is in response to the people's actions in the bay, why are you attacking the music?

If you truely believe that the music causes shit, then I commend you in your stance. You should be mad. I would be too. I'm just not convinced that's the way shit works.

>But do you really think people's actions are in direct
>response to the music? You don't think it could be the other
>way around?
>
>Because if the music is in response to the people's actions in
>the bay, why are you attacking the music?
>
>If you truely believe that the music causes shit, then I
>commend you in your stance. You should be mad. I would be too.
>I'm just not convinced that's the way shit works.

But what I said is it encourages it. Please read my posts. My girl teaches in public school in vallejo, and you wouldn't believe how influential this shit is for kids that come from broken homes and shit that haven't already learned this behavior yet and some have from their older siblings but it still is influential in their thinking. Trust me. It doesn't cause shit to happen neccesarily, never created the problems to begin with in the 1st place but it sure doesn't help the situation out. So when I see people promoting the "hyphy" movement and bigging it up and trying to glorify the shit, sensationalizing the lyrics, it makes me cringe cause I know it ain't helping little kids in oakland that think in order to fit in and stay "ghetto" they gotta act dumb and engage in reckless behavior without thinking about their future. The situation was already fucked up to begin with, no people wanna glorify it in their music? I just don't get why.

Because I like songs I hear?

That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

As I've said before, I prefer to hear rappers spiiting positive stuff. If another rapper came along with the same voice and same style as Keak and did Superhyphy the exact same way Keak did except with an activist message, I'd bump that and pump it up as big as anything. But that's not what happened. Keak made the song. And while I don't agree with everything he says, I still like the song a lot.

But what you're saying is that by liking it I'm in a racist way perpetuating stereotypes of black people as baffoons???

That is so extremely insane of you to make a jump in logic like that...especially when you are hypocritically stereotyping me as some sort of wannabe-down whigger infiltrating rap so that I can covertly destroy black communities. This is like your fantasy confrontation come to life. You versus the boogieman you are for the most part making up in your head.

The problems in Oakland weren't caused by rap and they won't be solved by rap.

Give me the Coup over Turf Talk any day of the week, by a longshot even.

Am I now perpetuating stereotypes of blacks as ineffective revolutuionaries???

Well you certainly are.

Take your own advice and do something positive like creating better alternatives to hyphy, rather than trying to cap on anyone who likes it.

>Because I like songs I hear?
>
>That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
>
>As I've said before, I prefer to hear rappers spiiting
>positive stuff. If another rapper came along with the same
>voice and same style as Keak and did Superhyphy the exact same
>way Keak did except with an activist message, I'd bump that
>and pump it up as big as anything. But that's not what
>happened. Keak made the song. And while I don't agree with
>everything he says, I still like the song a lot.
>
>But what you're saying is that by liking it I'm in a racist
>way perpetuating stereotypes of black people as baffoons???

yes that's exactly it. you finally get it!
>
>That is so extremely insane of you to make a jump in logic
>like that...especially when you are hypocritically
>stereotyping me as some sort of wannabe-down whigger
>infiltrating rap so that I can covertly destroy black
>communities. This is like your fantasy confrontation come to
>life. You versus the boogieman you are for the most part
>making up in your head.

I never said you "can covertly destroy black communities." Why the fuck you keep putting words in my mouth? Just to confirm your baseless insecurities in your involvement in hip hop? But what I said is that you are contributing to the destructiveness of the black community in the bay by promoting this shit and not being critical at all of it. Now shut the fuck up and be real, and stop putting words in my mouth, just like every fucking white dude, to manipulate the truth so you sound right. Because the white man is never wrong, I know. you're a fucking herb.
>
>The problems in Oakland weren't caused by rap and they won't
>be solved by rap.

never said they were.
>
>Give me the Coup over Turf Talk any day of the week, by a
>longshot even.
>
>Am I now perpetuating stereotypes of blacks as ineffective
>revolutuionaries???
>
>Well you certainly are.

I am? How? What the fuck you talking about? Shut the fuck up little pissy whiny white boy and stay the fuck outta cali with your no-talent wannabe journalist kiss-the-mainstream writing ass.
>
>Take your own advice and do something positive like creating
>better alternatives to hyphy, rather than trying to cap on
>anyone who likes it.
>

wow, you are insane homie, You're copping mad pleas for your whiteness and your love of some stupid talentless music that promotes mysogony and destructive habits. I do create positive music and always promote positive images in hip hop. Unlike your fucking trifling ass, my dad died 2 yrs ago from cancer, my brother died 3 years ago from a heart attack. I grew up in a primarily white suburb constantly getting harrassed for not looking white almost every fucking day, getting my ass beat sometimes, beating the fuck out of other people other times. I almost killed myself due to racist thoughts and stereotypes put on me by others. My parents were on welfare and they slaved away all day to put food on the table for me and 4 other siblings. I appreciate life, appreciate positivity and recognize how fragile life is. My story ain't too much different from a lot of people I know. This story you will never know or understand, so shut the fuck up, check your whiteness and realize that when people of color are degrading their own women, talking about slanging this or that and bragging about how much of a man they are because they got a gat, and how bad they are because they can ride outside their car, or with their car doors so they testing death, laughing in it's face, realize how fucked up and sad that is and that it ain't a positive message.

Or just laugh it off with your silly white boy, nothing's ever that bad safe,comfortable thinking brain. There's a whole world of sadness that you will never know or understand. It might be harmless party music to you, but to other people of color it's some fucked up reguritated racist bullshit that's permeated communities of color since the beginning of this country. Now please, think about this shit, before you say some more dumb shit about how down you are, or how divisive I am supposedly being, or how it's just silly harmless party music and it has no negative social impact or influence at all and go to sleep in your comfortable safe white world.

not sure if this was mentioned above, too lazy to look through it but anyway...

didn't hyphy come first? i think lil jon even said in an interview that he was borrowing from the bay area sound. i think it only blew up after crunk did, seeing how they sound kinda similar.

the bay is like another planet, they dont really pay that much attention to other regions, i think....

Mac Dre

Yeah, maybe you've heard the Thizzle Dance or Get Stupid at the club or whatever...

MAYBE.

But most of y'all probably couldn't identify more than 2 of his songs if they passed between your ears. You look like an idiot if you haven't done your homework. This is the man who started the whole thing. Maybe Keak can take credit for Hyphy, or Rick Rock, or whoever... But Dre is the dude who switched shit up. No question in my mind. Those of you who are talking down on this new wave of music coming out the bay (I'm never going to call it a movement) invariably don't know the context of what your listening to. Go get 2 or 3 of the last Mac Dre albums that came out before he died.. AND SOAK GAME! You can't understand hyphy unless you understand how Dre went from The Mac Named Dre to the Rapper Gone Bad to Thizzelle Washington to Ronald Dregan. He put together all the main elements of the whole style... He showed Keak n'nem that it was ok to act the damn fool. I'm not talking about the violence or the sideshows... That's been out here forever... But i'm talking about wearing huge over-sized glasses... The dances, the lingo, the lifestyle. Hyphy is a culture. Dre started it. Know about it!

Feel free to tell me i'm wrong, but come correct.
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