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>>>I guess what I'm saying is that you have to define "HipHop"
>>>and I'm betting that you can't.
>>
>>Easy
>>
>>- content
>>- context
>>- intent
>>- audience sanction
>
>That's not a "definition", that's four bullet points.
>
>Look at a dictionary if you need illumination on what a
>definition looks like.
>
>After you do that, come back and try to provide a definition
>of "hip-hop".
Lol you killing me.
The 4 bullets as you call them.
- content - literally what is this thing being made that is being called hip hop. Be it music, be it dance, be it visual art, there is *something* that you're actually talking about. So cats doing algebra equations or cutting the springs on an old caddy is not hip hop. It's at least gotta to be in the content.
- context - what context is it being done in? If a gymnast does a flair, it's not hip hop. If someone doing capoeira does a freeze, it's not hip hop. But if you see the same moves done @ a b-boy battle - it becomes hip hop.
- intent - Does the person doing whatever, intend it to be hip hop? When you hear Talking Blues, it might be rhyming, it might not be sung, but potna did not intend it to be rap. When you hear Ursula Rucker or Black Ice, they rhyming, spitting, staying on beat - but they don't intend their poetry to be rap.
- audience sanction - Even if you got the 3 things above, if the audience doesn't think that it is hip hop, it's not hip hop.
If your definition of hip hop can't separate the close calls, then it's a weak definition. Mine works for damn near every case.
>i see your posts all day long and you always seem really
>smug. you avoid the hard questions and put up nonsensical
>shit like the above, then act like you actually said
>something.
Not my fault you can't follow me.
But since you're steady reading my posts I know I'm doing something right.
I inspire snipers like you. Skeerock, Mathmagic, Archaic, Spirit list goes on and on.
Ain't no one here that can get mf'ers to come out the woodwork to talk about this culture like I can. Believe that.
>You're up there calling Force MD's an "anomaly". Anything
>that is outside of your line of argument is an "anomaly"
>because your argument is weak.
The Force MD's were not a major force in hip hop.
You want to argue history?
Name the hip hop mf'ers they inspired?
Show me the influence on the culture?
Show me the sheer #'s of cats who started singing hip hop, and the audience calling it hip hop, because of the Force MD's?
You can't do it. And you know i'm right.
You talk about "audience
>sanction" but everyone in this post is part of the hip-hop
>audience, yet b/c they disagree with you, suddenly they're
>not a part of that audience. How ridiculously ignorant.
>Dude is rhyming through the whole song, on the fours. It
>sounds melodic, but so dones Bone, Freestyle Fellowship, and
>Snoop.
That nigga is singing. Maybe you need to listen to that shit again.
>How are you going to determine in any objective way
>how that song "isn't hip-hop", especially with that flimsy
>attempt at a definition above.
Please. As with most snipers, you can shoot at the definition, but you can't offer a better more complete one.
>hip-hop goes beyond percussive delivery devoid of melody.
>that's the pnly difference b/t rapping and singing,
>percussive delivery vs. melody. cats like bone and snoop
>have already shattered that barrier. hell, cold crush
>brothers, as already mentioned, shattered that barrier
>before it even got put up.
You're putting in Bone and Snoop in with She lives in my lap?
Dude, do I need to even go on?
>the fact is, you have a gut feeling about what you're
>talking about, but no objective criteria. and history isn't
>on your side. at all. you're grasping for straws.
Force MD's vs the thousands of rappers that have come out since?
The fact that Snoop, Nelly, Domino, Slim Kid Tre, and Bone have either been 1) dissed for singing, 2) marginalize for it?
>music is subjective. this song sounds like a watered down
>sing-songy flow. maybe it's because dude's voice sounds too
>percussive or something, he's hitting the fours too evenly
>for me to consider it regular singing. and his voice is
>crazy flat. someone else on here mentioned mary j. blige.
>she is clearly putting melody and inflection into her thing.
>it's soothing to the ear. if anything, dude failed at
>singing if that's what he was trying. it's not much of a rap
>flow either. even domino sounded better than this
>singing-wise. or nate dogg for that matter. but who gives a
>damn? that's just my opinion.
Apparently you do,that's why you up in here.
>back to this hip-hop thing...the definition of hip-hop keeps
>moving. it started with rhyming over breaks. doesn't stop
>there. evolved to live studio musicians replaying breaks.
>doesn't stop there. evolved to samplers. doesn't stop there.
When cats are playing instruments and singing, that shit ain't hip hop. That's R&B.
>if andre decided to call this hip-hop, how would you stop
>him? and why would you care?in your other posts, you talk
>about "the block" and all this other nonsense, like you;re
>the official voice for hip-hop or people in the hood or
>anything other than just your own little opinion.
Quest is that you?
Come to the hood and just observe.
guess
>what?
rappers have been singing. they'll keep singing. and
>you typing complaints about it on the Internet makes not a
>difference in the world.
>
>Hell, you like Devin! Talk about singing ass rappers! Get
>outa here...
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