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L_O_Quent
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"The Official OS X Lion post (no nopayne)"


  

          

just plopped it on and it's pretty good so far but I'm still trying to figure out where my hard drive space is in Finder. As mentioned by a lot of people LaunchPad is a piece of hot steaming useless shit and I'd suggest immediately changing the scrolling from the iOS version to what us grown folks have been using for years.

I'll have more thoughts later but wanted to see who took the plunge already and see if you all have any pointers.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
it's live?
Jul 17th 2011
1
for us *cough* developers
Jul 17th 2011
2
      damn fish eating sumumumbishe!
Jul 17th 2011
3
           so far I like it
Jul 17th 2011
4
                chrome all ready had full screen since Chromium.
Jul 17th 2011
5
                     weird I never noticed it
Jul 17th 2011
6
Looking forward to it.
Jul 17th 2011
7
sounds like their worse release yet.
Jul 17th 2011
8
this post is real now.
Jul 17th 2011
11
why is Launchpad so terrible?
Jul 17th 2011
9
a. there is no point with Spotlight
Jul 18th 2011
12
      Isn't Lion supposed to be multitouch-gesture heavy?
Jul 18th 2011
14
           So far I've seen mostly expose-ish trackpad things
Jul 18th 2011
15
i like the true scrolling...
Jul 17th 2011
10
I've been scrolling this way for at least
Jul 18th 2011
13
Most important: What doesn't work anymore?
Jul 18th 2011
16
Nothing has stopped working period
Jul 18th 2011
17
Pretty good list here
Jul 19th 2011
18
RAWR Lion confirmed for tomorrow.
Jul 19th 2011
19
Doing a clean install of Snow Leopard to 10.6.6 after I transfer
Jul 19th 2011
20
      Not true
Jul 19th 2011
21
           that seems like an awful lot of work.
Jul 19th 2011
22
           It's really not lol
Jul 19th 2011
23
           Eh, I'll just do it the most straightfoward way.
Jul 19th 2011
24
                I installed it in VM Ware off the disk image
Jul 19th 2011
25
Just installed it about half an hour ago.
Jul 20th 2011
26
not looking forward to it
Jul 20th 2011
27
i mean, its Gizmodo
Jul 20th 2011
28
Right lol
Jul 20th 2011
29
true, but i get the launchpad criticism
Jul 20th 2011
38
I'd wait for John Siracusa's Ars Technica review
Jul 20th 2011
30
wait these assholes are selling reviews now?
Jul 20th 2011
33
      Nah, this is what I'm talking about
Jul 20th 2011
34
           yep, gonna dig into this
Jul 20th 2011
36
           I didn't realize the Lion one was up
Jul 20th 2011
37
                ha, and i didn't even check your link. i assumed it was the lion one
Jul 20th 2011
39
                     Oh, well. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain then.
Jul 20th 2011
44
           yeah but look at this
Jul 20th 2011
41
                lol wow
Jul 20th 2011
43
                LMAO. really?
Jul 20th 2011
45
Engadget: "Lion feels like a transitional operating system"
Jul 20th 2011
57
Clean install from a disk took about me 40 extra minutes
Jul 20th 2011
31
that seems like an awful lot of work.
Jul 20th 2011
32
      This again from a Linux user.
Jul 20th 2011
35
           My upgrade process
Jul 20th 2011
40
                Yes magical until you want to do something like play an mp3
Jul 20th 2011
42
                     the process of playing an mp3 for the first time:
Jul 20th 2011
47
                     Ubuntu includes software by default to read mp3 files?
Jul 20th 2011
52
                          Is that what I said?
Jul 20th 2011
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                               lol except that you didn't mention that at all
Jul 20th 2011
54
                                    NERD OFF
Jul 21st 2011
80
                                         ^^Instigator
Jul 21st 2011
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                     also, how do I play mp3s in a new install of OS X?
Jul 20th 2011
49
                          preferences, un-check 'keep itunes folder organized'
Jul 20th 2011
50
                               that seems like an awful lot of work.
Jul 20th 2011
51
                                    click the file, hit space bar
Jul 21st 2011
70
                                    for a retard.
Jul 27th 2011
111
Just installed it. Had to change the scroll direction.
Jul 20th 2011
46
What you running it on?
Jul 20th 2011
48
      Last year's i3 iMac, 4GBs of ram,
Jul 20th 2011
55
      Adobe CS5 user?
Jul 20th 2011
60
           Nope
Jul 20th 2011
62
                Dammit...lol
Jul 20th 2011
64
      Actually, it might have just been spotlight cataloging
Jul 21st 2011
67
Direct your hate here: Apple selling Lion on USB drives with $40 mark up
Jul 20th 2011
56
$70 for a bootable USB...
Jul 20th 2011
58
aka "we're serious, use the fuckin app store"
Jul 21st 2011
68
Any issues with CS5 and Lion?
Jul 20th 2011
59
i got a late '07 white macbook, 4GB ram
Jul 20th 2011
61
RE: i got a late '07 white macbook, 4GB ram
Jul 20th 2011
65
I overwrote my old 10.5 partition on my Mac Pro w/ a fresh Lion install.
Jul 20th 2011
63
Can preview go fullscreen now?
Jul 21st 2011
66
Yep & Yep
Jul 21st 2011
76
      Nice
Jul 21st 2011
78
           You know, I don't mind them
Jul 21st 2011
82
                it's like they said in the ars review
Jul 21st 2011
89
Really liking it so far.
Jul 21st 2011
69
RE: Really liking it so far.
Jul 21st 2011
71
Can we talk about the new iTunes?!?!
Jul 21st 2011
72
      It's the fastest I've ever seen it, and it's handling my 250GB+ library
Jul 21st 2011
73
How's your *ahem* 'trial' versions coming along
Jul 21st 2011
74
      CS5 is working fine for me.
Jul 21st 2011
75
           Nice.
Jul 22nd 2011
91
So they got rid of the lozenge right
Jul 21st 2011
77
just drop it onto the Applications link in the sidebar
Jul 21st 2011
79
      I can't is my point
Jul 21st 2011
83
           yeah, i don't like that it's no longer there. I have to open a new
Jul 21st 2011
85
           that sucks
Jul 21st 2011
88
           I always just closed those windows anyway
Jul 23rd 2011
95
                So you always used two finder windows to install a program?
Jul 23rd 2011
98
                     yes. don't judge me.
Jul 29th 2011
117
Just finished downloading... I like so far
Jul 21st 2011
84
CS5 performance!?!??????? *waiting @ the app store
Jul 21st 2011
86
Does this help?
Jul 21st 2011
87
Thanks Turtle. :)
Jul 22nd 2011
90
it's not a crime to wait.
Jul 23rd 2011
94
      I'm waiting on 10.7.1,
Jul 23rd 2011
96
           good man, Mr. Black.
Jul 23rd 2011
97
                Excelsior B, excelsior.
Jul 23rd 2011
99
So they took away zooming while holding down control
Jul 22nd 2011
92
yeah thats dumb.. but its still there
Jul 22nd 2011
93
So what do you think? Magical isn't it?
Jul 24th 2011
100
Let me turn off Resume in Preview.
Jul 24th 2011
101
This may work
Jul 26th 2011
108
how's your liver?
Jul 26th 2011
110
Chrome seems a lot more crashy now.
Jul 25th 2011
102
I use Safari now.
Jul 25th 2011
103
      Yeah, these are pretty nice.
Jul 25th 2011
107
Does the late 2008 MacBook support multitouch gestures?
Jul 25th 2011
104
2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo 13" Late 2008.
Jul 25th 2011
105
Yep, that's the one I have.
Jul 25th 2011
106
yup... im on one now
Jul 26th 2011
109
So save as needs to be brought back, at least in Textedit.
Jul 27th 2011
112
None of the apps I use on a regular basis support that feature.
Jul 27th 2011
113
Been using it at work all week. Assessment:
Jul 28th 2011
114
You can bring back the scroll bars
Jul 29th 2011
118
      Good looking out.
Jul 29th 2011
121
this seems like an awful lot of work. (c) Nopayne
Jul 28th 2011
115
Yeah, that guy's an idiot.
Jul 28th 2011
116
Almost nice, but kinda fucking annoying
Jul 29th 2011
119
you have to cmd+w all windows first in preview before cmd+q
Jul 29th 2011
120
RE: you have to cmd+w all windows first in preview before cmd+q
Jul 29th 2011
123
the last few times I used vlc it was horrible.
Jul 29th 2011
124
      I only recommended VLC because rips of, um, certain kinds of videos
Jul 29th 2011
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      VLC is the truth!
Aug 03rd 2011
128
      MPlayer X is eons better
Aug 10th 2011
134
THIS
Jul 29th 2011
122
i've turned off al the new features as well...
Jul 29th 2011
125
Boot Camp requires Windows 7.
Aug 03rd 2011
127
the gray icons/folders in the finder SUCK!!!!!!!
Aug 04th 2011
129
Nother bug I noticed
Aug 07th 2011
130
I don't think that's mail
Aug 07th 2011
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      I see...
Aug 08th 2011
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Now that I've been using it the past two weeks
Aug 10th 2011
133
RDF. Still not installing it.
Aug 10th 2011
135
Except that I can use a 3 finger swipe to go back in the finder
Aug 10th 2011
137
pretty clever what they did with XCode 4
Aug 10th 2011
136
iLaugh.
Aug 11th 2011
138
Why do these apps insist on resuming when I told them
Aug 11th 2011
139
Yeah, I still really do not like Lion.
Sep 18th 2011
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RE: Yeah, I still really do not like Lion.
Sep 18th 2011
141
      lulz. Cheif, gotta cat the L train on this one..
Sep 19th 2011
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      Thank you!
Sep 19th 2011
144
      I think this'll do it.
Sep 19th 2011
145
      You know what, I think I maybe something is fucked up.
Sep 20th 2011
146
           Maybe your mac has cancer.
Sep 20th 2011
148
Still on SL. I get Lion in the January reup.
Sep 18th 2011
142
Here's how to bring back the color icons in the finder
Sep 20th 2011
147

jetblack
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1. "it's live?"
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2. "for us *cough* developers "
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The offspring :-D

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3. "damn fish eating sumumumbishe!"
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lol

So what's the verdict?

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4. "so far I like it"
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Sun Jul-17-11 03:22 PM by L_O_Quent

  

          

and I really like how EVERYTHING looks unified finally but I haven't had enough time to play with it yet. Like I said LauchPad is straight bullshit in it being their attempt to make people coming from iOS feel more comfortable plus why would you use it when you have spotlight?

Mail looks sick but I need to play around with it when I'm working to get a better idea about it while Address Book looks like some bullshit.

*edit* right after posting this I hit the full screen on Chrome and this is a BEAST! One of the most impressive features so far.

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5. "chrome all ready had full screen since Chromium."
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6. "weird I never noticed it"
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I like that they finally condensed iChat into one and notifications are a little slicker. Trying to play around with different programs to see what feels different

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7. "Looking forward to it."
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And looking forward to doing it with a clean install. One of the nicest feelings to start off completely clean.

  

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8. "sounds like their worse release yet."
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9. "why is Launchpad so terrible?"
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12. "a. there is no point with Spotlight"
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b. the iOS grid system doesn't make sense unless you had a touch screen device. Moving your mouse over finger sized apps is beyond inconvenient

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14. "Isn't Lion supposed to be multitouch-gesture heavy?"
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I guess Launchpad makes more sense with multitouch trackpad input instead of mouse/pen input

  

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15. "So far I've seen mostly expose-ish trackpad things"
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Lauchpad has nothing to do with gestures --- from what I've seen so far

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10. "i like the true scrolling... "
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....been using it in Snow Leopard for a few weeks now ...its the way scrolling should have been all along

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13. "I've been scrolling this way for at least"
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4 or 5 years there is no way in hell I can switch it up now plus the way it keeps moving is frustrating when it's not a touchscreen device.

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16. "Most important: What doesn't work anymore?"
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What apps suddenly have stopped working?

  

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17. "Nothing has stopped working period"
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I have old ass apps that work perfectly

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18. "Pretty good list here"
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http://roaringapps.com/

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19. "RAWR Lion confirmed for tomorrow."
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http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/11/07/19/apple_confirms_mac_os_x_10_7_lion_to_launch_on_wednesday.html

Apple announced during its quarterly earnings call that Mac OS X 10.7 Lion, its next-generation operating system, will launch on the Mac App Store on Wednesday.

The announcement from Apple Chief Operating Officer Peter Oppenheimer confirms an exclusive report from AppleInsider on Monday. Also rumored to launch is a refresh to the thin-and-light MacBook Air notebook, powered by Lion.

Update: Accordingly, Apple on Tuesday released Migration Assistant Update, allowing users to prepare their Mac for the update to Lion through the Mac App Store. It is a 312kb download available via Software Update or direct from Apple.

"This update addresses an issue with the Migration Assistant application in Mac OS X Snow Leopard that prevents transfer of your personal data, settings, and compatible applications from a Mac running Mac OS X Snow Leopard to a new Mac running Mac OS X Lion," the official description reads.

Apple has been holding off on the introduction of new Mac hardware until it finally releases Lion. Apple had not previously not offered a specific launch date for the operating system, only promising that it will become available on the Mac App Store for $29.99 at some point in July.

Signs of an impending launch continued appear as the week went on, with Lion said to have arrived at Apple retail stores on hard disks this week for installation on demo machines, and photos of promotional materials at third-party stores.

  

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20. "Doing a clean install of Snow Leopard to 10.6.6 after I transfer"
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some files over to a external. I really dislike that the Lion upgrade has to be done through the App Store, but whatever.

Hoping everything goes smoothly.

  

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21. "Not true"
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http://eggfreckles.net/tech/burning-a-lion-boot-disc/

In my last post I walked you through the process of installing Lion on a bootable external hard drive and using that hard drive to install subsequent Lion installations. I thought that in the absence of Apple installation media using a full Lion installation on and external drive would be the easiest way to perform a clean install. I was wrong. Apple's official Lion Installation Media was under my nose the entire time, and I am going to show you how to get it.

Purchase and download Lion from the Mac App Store on any Lion compatible Mac running Snow Leopard.

Right click on “Mac OS X Lion” installer and choose the option to “Show Package Contents.”

Inside the Contents folder that appears you will find a SharedSupport folder and inside the SharedSupport folder you will find the “InstallESD.dmg.” This is the Lion boot disc image we have all been waiting for.

Copy “InstallESD.dmg” to another folder like the Desktop.

Launch Disk Utility and click the burn button.

Select the copied “InstallESD.dmg” as the image to burn, insert a standard sized 4.7 GB DVD, and wait for your new Lion Boot Disc to come out toasty hot.

With this disc you can boot any Lion compatible Mac, and install 10.7 just like you installed previous version of Mac OS X. You can even use Disk Utility's Restore function to image your Lion boot disc image onto a external drive suitable for performing a clean install on a optical-drive-less MacBook Air, or Mac mini server. Clean installs with Lion are easy once you find where Apple has hidden the boot disk.

  

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22. "that seems like an awful lot of work."
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23. "It's really not lol"
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Steve O Tron v2
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24. "Eh, I'll just do it the most straightfoward way."
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I probably should have started transferring some of these video files earlier; looks like I'll need a couple more hours before getting started.

I hope it's released at midnight.

  

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25. "I installed it in VM Ware off the disk image"
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works pretty well.

  

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26. "Just installed it about half an hour ago."
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Things seem to be pretty good, but I have to make some adjustments to scrolling before things feel correct (e.g., two-finger swipes to go back and forth in my browser rather than into Dashboard, etc.)

  

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27. "not looking forward to it"
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i think i'm going to wait a bit before upgrading. something about it seems convoluted. maybe i just took this review from gizmodo too seriously:

http://gizmodo.com/5819418/mac-os-x-lion-this-is-not-the-future-we-were-hoping-for

It breaks my heart to say this, but Mac OSX Lion's interface feels like a failure. Its stated mission was to simplify the operating system, to unify it with the clean experience of iOS. That didn't happen.

If it weren't for the fast, rock-solid Unix, graphics and networking cores, Lion would be Apple's very own Vista.
The path to a simpler future
When Steve Jobs first introduced Lion, he set a bold goal: to take what has made the iPad and the iPhone so successful and bring it to the desktop. There's nothing wrong with that. The simplification of the computer experience—which actually gives more power to the users by allowing them to focus on their work instead of screwing around with their machine to make it do what they want—has been the Holy Grail of computers since the 80s.

It happened then, when we switched from the command line to the graphical desktop. (For the complete history of this evolution, read this). But in the last three decades computers have again become too complicated for a lot of people. The rest of us put up with it because we've gone through years of conditioning, but most people don't know any conventions and shortcuts accumulated over two decades—the layers upon layers of user interface, patched one on top of another.


That's why the iPad and the iPhone have been so amazing. They were clean slates that kicked all those conventions to the curb. The result is a simple, powerful environment. It's awesome. It is the future.

Lion is the wrong step into that future. By trying to please everyone, the OS X team has produced an incongruent user interface pastiche that won't satisfy the consumers seeking simplicity nor the professional users in search of OCD control. Apple hasn't really targeted a specific population. Or provided varying levels of user control--a super-simple modal interface for normal people and pro-level classic window interface for nerds. That's what Microsoft is trying to do with Windows 8. Ironically, if Apple had taken a page out of Microsoft's book in this case, it would have been a step in the right direction.

Lots of good intentions
The first time I started Lion I was expecting Launchpad to take over the screen, like the iPad. Apple touted it as the new way to launch your apps. The combined theory of Lion-iOS-iCloud is good, almost magic: Launchpad to access your apps, apps to access your documents which, eventually, would all be in the cloud and accessible from all your devices. Eliminating the physical desktop metaphor completely, the same way Gmail has eliminated the need to have mail folders. With current instant-search technology, there's no need for anal folder organization. Advanced users and other masochists would still have access to their Finders for the time being, of course, just like Microsoft is doing with Windows 8.

That could have made a lot of sense for everyone involved. But what Apple did doesn't compute: Launchpad is supposedly the way to access all your apps, but who wants to click once on the dock's Launchpad icon, launch that interface, and then select your app when you can just open the app from the Finder itself? It's an extra click (or two or three). It's added complexity; it's superfluous.

Mission Chaos
That's one part of Lion's multiple personality problem. Mission Control along with Full Screen apps is another. Mission Control is touted by Apple as the perfect merger of Exposé and Spaces. Beloved by advanced users, Exposé and Spaces are great productivity tools in Leopard. The first allows you to quickly select apps and windows. Spaces helps pro users organize work environments, by grouping different app windows all floating on different desktops.

The way they mixed it (check the video for a better understanding) may work for advanced users, but it is way too complicated for consumers. It feels like a broken bridge between the modal world and the windowed world.

By default, there's a Dashboard Space, where all widgets live, like in the current Mac OS X. Then there is a Desktop Space, where the windowed apps exist. Again, this is like in Leopard. In Lion there could be multiple desktops grouping different apps, all set by the user. And finally, there is Full Screen App Space, which results in multiple spaces too, one per app taking over the whole screen. iPhoto, Preview and many system apps can run full screen at this point.

This is not a bad idea per se. When you work only with Full Screen Apps it all makes perfect sense. It's very easy and smooth to move from one app to the other swiping your three or four fingers left or right. Your mind switches tasks as you move from app to app. I mostly work with Photoshop, my tabbed browser, iMovie/FCP and Mail. Add iPhoto for my personal 70,000-photo album and iTunes for about 12,000 songs. It'd be very convenient for me to switch through full screen versions of these apps. I like the simplicity and the clarity it brings.

But when you add Desktop Spaces and the Dashboard Space, it all becomes a mêlée of windows, desktops, squares, Dashboard widgets and icons. When you get into Mission Control by swiping three fingers up, you get a new clusterfuck that is added to the traditional windowed clusterfuck we have now. Click on one of the windows or spaces or whatever to go to it. Does it work? Yes. Is it more confusing for consumers than Exposé or Spaces? Yes. It's more complicated because it tries to mix control of all these different entities in one single place. The mix doesn't work.

Allegedly, as all third-party apps include the full screen mode that Apple is advocating, a Desktop Space would become a home for small single-window apps like iChat or Twitter (or at that time, it may be better to move all of those to the Dashboard Space and get it over with). Advanced users would be able to run all their apps in the Desktop Spaces if they wanted so. Normal users would be able to run all their apps in full screen mode, simplifying their lives. Like with Launchpad, full screen apps should be the default mode of apps, unless specified in the System Preferences.

For consumers, that would result in a pure, gloriously simple modal environment like the iPad. The pros would still have their clusterfuck.



The inconsistency problem
This mix and match of concepts brings a lot more problems. Take this example: when you are in a full screen app, there's no easy way to open a new app. You either have to swipe your way back to a Desktop space and launch your app from the Dock or the Finder or Launchpad. Or you swipe your three fingers up to access Mission Control and launch your app from the Dock or click on Launchpad in the Dock and find your app there. Or you can access the Command + Tab menu and access Launchpad from there. Or you can find your app in the Spotlight widget on the top menu of the full screen app.

These multiple points of access would make the head of any consumer explode, while advanced users would probably go for a quick third-party launcher like Alfred, something that would allow them to quickly open any app or document from anywhere.

That's not the only headache that this mix of multiple concepts introduce. There's the issue of inconsistency in gestures. Never mind the introduction of Natural Scrolling, which basically reverses the way you have scrolled all your life to match the way the iPad does it (your brain will adapt to it in a few minutes--but you can always turn it off). The problem is that gestures are not consistent between applications.

You swipe left and right with three fingers to move through spaces, but when you are in Launchpad, you do a similar thing by using two fingers only. One doesn't work. That's because Launchpad is an application, so it uses the two-finger page-swapping gesture. But it feels wrong because your brain is wired to the way you swap spaces. In Safari, the two-finger swapping makes you travel in your history. In Preview, it makes you go through pages. Which kind of makes sense, but it doesn't.

There's a problem there, which is likely going to affect other apps. It feels like the gesture language is non-consistent and it's certainly not as intuitive as the iPhone or the iPad, perhaps because the touch element doesn't exist. One tip: If you are going to get Lion, get a Magic Trackpad.

The ugly failure of the physical metaphor
Another iOS aspect that has worked its way into Mac OS X Lion is the graphical emulation of physical surfaces. Now there's gross faux wood panelling in Photo Booth. The Address Book is a real world hardbound address book. iCal is a bloody pseudo-calendar made of paper and leather.

The question is: Why is Apple reproducing things that are obsolete already? Do people still use calendars made of leather and paper? Do people use agendas? Seriously, does anyone under 18 even know what these are?

I understand that the iOS guidelines call for physical surfaces to invite touch, but that's because there's a screen to touch. And, let's face it, we are not in 2008 anymore. Everyone knows how to touch a screen. And I can't touch my iMac screen and make it do anything, anyway.

It may be the subject for another article, but this emulation of old stuff feels like a juvenile gimmick, much like the old gummy-drop Aqua interface feels old and dated now. In this regard, perhaps Apple software people should have taken a page from Jon Ive and his cronies: Simplify the interface, get rid of the things that don't add any information to the user, all the useless adornments. I'd have loved to see a user interface that echoed Apple's own hardware and use of typography.

The right stuff
It's not all bad. They got rid of the Aqua jelly scrollbars and--when they are not doing gimmicky real-world object emulation--the graphical aspects of the user interface are simpler and unified. More sober than ever before.

The use of animation is also gorgeous, and full of meaning. The sharing interface of AirDrop works great. It's simple, it makes sense, it works. There's nothing superflous there. In Mail, the animation used to show threads works well. It helps the user to understand what's going on ("oh, it's expanding!"). I would love to see more simplification of the graphics and more use of animation to convey information.

There are lots of other little things, like iChat and its unified contact list, a much needed fix that third party chats apps already had. The accounts and contact information is also unified in a iOS-like kind of way. Those things feel good. As do things like saving the status of application and the automatic versioning of documents, which saves your data automatically and allows you to go back in time to reverse edits on a document-per-document basis. These little things will be reason enough for many to upgrade to Lion.

I don't need Lion, and you probably don't need it either
But overall, it doesn't feel like a must-have upgrade to me.

I love Mac OS X. I've used it since the very first and painful developer preview, back in September 2000. I love iOS too, because its modal nature simplifies powerful computing, and, at the same time, empowers normal people. I hoped Mac OS X Lion was going to merge both perfectly. Sadly, from a user interface point of view, it has failed to achieve that. And by failing at this task, it has made a mess of what was previously totally acceptable.

  

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28. "i mean, its Gizmodo"
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everything they review is dramatic

  

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29. "Right lol"
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But boy are the comments fun on that one.

  

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38. "true, but i get the launchpad criticism"
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>everything they review is dramatic

i mean, i pretty much have launchpad in snow leopard with the applications folder in my dock, view as grid.

  

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30. "I'd wait for John Siracusa's Ars Technica review"
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It'll be something around 23 pages and have far less ZOMG.

  

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33. "wait these assholes are selling reviews now?"
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This is almost as bad as the shit Mossberg 'n Pogue pull.

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34. "Nah, this is what I'm talking about"
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http://arstechnica.com/apple/reviews/2011/07/mac-os-x-10-7.ars

  

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36. "yep, gonna dig into this "
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37. "I didn't realize the Lion one was up"
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so I edited as the Snow Leopard one was meant just as an example but yeah, it's areally in depth review and he tends to be surprisingly critical in places. It's always a good read.

  

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39. "ha, and i didn't even check your link. i assumed it was the lion one"
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44. "Oh, well. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain then."
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41. "yeah but look at this"
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http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2011/07/lion-review-e-book-now-available.ars

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43. "lol wow"
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hope they don't put up a pay wall. ugh.

  

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45. "LMAO. really?"
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57. "Engadget: "Lion feels like a transitional operating system""
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how scathing

basically, the next version is the one you really want, but you
might as well upgrade now because it's cheap and has a few neat
features like Resume, Auto Save, and Versions


"If Apple's end game is a complete shift away from the personal
computer, Lion feels like a transitional operating system -- one that
hasn't quite sealed the deal. After all, even though 250 features
sounds like an impressively round number, most of the offerings are
evolutionary, rather than revolutionary, in keeping with a precedent
Snow Leopard set. It's worth repeating, however, that Lion, too, costs just $29...

"Chances are, though, you'll find more than enough features amongst the
250-plus to justify that modest price tag."

http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/20/apple-os-x-lion-10-7-review/

  

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31. "Clean install from a disk took about me 40 extra minutes"
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Before that could happen though the installer had to "download additional files" bringing the total install time to about an hour.

  

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32. "that seems like an awful lot of work."
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35. "This again from a Linux user."
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40. "My upgrade process"
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1. A notification pops up saying a new release is available.
2. I click OK to upgrade.

Or let's say I want to do something crazy like install from disk:
1. I download and burn the image.
2. I install from disk.

Magical.

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42. "Yes magical until you want to do something like play an mp3"
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then you have to go looking for a turtorial.

  

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47. "the process of playing an mp3 for the first time:"
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1. Launch media player
2. Click play
3. Click "ok"
4. Listen to mp3

Boom.

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52. "Ubuntu includes software by default to read mp3 files?"
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Last time I used it I had to get Amarok from a depository, is that no longer the case? Also went I went to play a mp3 for the first time I was told that Ubuntu didn't have the necessary codecs is that no longer the case? And what if I want to play an mp3 in Mint or Fedora?

In a new install of OSX you can drag it into iTunes or open iTunes and it'll search your hard drive.

  

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53. "Is that what I said?"
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No it is not. It will install the mp3 codecs for you automatically (after getting your approval). It will do the same with ogg or flac or any other media type out there. How's that flac support in iTunes coming along?

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54. "lol except that you didn't mention that at all"
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instead opting to shorten the process down to "click ok" and instead of saying Ubuntu needed to install the codecs instead of just playing the file "out of the box", which seems like a lot of work compared to just playing a file in iTunes.

FLAC support is coming in the next point release though, should be awesome.

  

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80. "NERD OFF"
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81. "^^Instigator "
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49. "also, how do I play mp3s in a new install of OS X?"
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Is it possible to do it without having iTunes attempt to manhandle my music collection yet? Please list out the steps.

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50. "preferences, un-check 'keep itunes folder organized'"
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>Is it possible to do it without having iTunes attempt to
>manhandle my music collection yet? Please list out the
>steps.

  

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51. "that seems like an awful lot of work."
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70. "click the file, hit space bar"
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111. "for a retard."
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http://youtu.be/5o37GORoKUQ

#htpw

  

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46. "Just installed it. Had to change the scroll direction."
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It seems a little slow tho.

The new spell check/auto-correct is nice.

  

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48. "What you running it on?"
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Well they used to call me Maf

  

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55. "Last year's i3 iMac, 4GBs of ram,"
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and the graphics card that's a step up from the enrty level one.

  

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60. "Adobe CS5 user?"
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performance?

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62. "Nope"
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64. "Dammit...lol"
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67. "Actually, it might have just been spotlight cataloging "
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or whatever it said it was doing. It seems back to normal now.

  

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56. "Direct your hate here: Apple selling Lion on USB drives with $40 mark up"
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http://www.tuaw.com/2011/07/20/lion-will-ship-on-usb-drives-in-august/

In the hustle and the bustle today, we failed to note a minor detail in Apple's Lion press announcement, but MacRumors picked it up:

Users who do not have broadband access at home, work or school can download Lion at Apple retail stores and later this August, Lion will be made available on a USB thumb drive through the Apple Store® (www.apple.com) for $69 (US).

So much for the absence of physical media. The option to download at an Apple Store is nice (either bring your Mac, or bring a drive with enough free space to carry Lion home); the USB install media will be equally nice, and very welcome for those supporting multiple machines with touchy ISP connectivity. It's an extra $40, but them's the breaks.

  

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58. "$70 for a bootable USB..."
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whatever.

I'd buy it if I needed.

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68. "aka "we're serious, use the fuckin app store""
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59. "Any issues with CS5 and Lion?"
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61. "i got a late '07 white macbook, 4GB ram"
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2.3gz dualcore.

should i not upgrade?

people saying this is slowing them down is giving me pause.

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65. "RE: i got a late '07 white macbook, 4GB ram"
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I've got a 2007 2.2Ghz macbook. smooth sailing so far but I have 4gb ram. maybe people with issues still sitting on the 2gb ram.

You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

  

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63. "I overwrote my old 10.5 partition on my Mac Pro w/ a fresh Lion install."
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It was prety quick and works very wel. Had to change the scrolling as well.

64 BIT iTUNES!!!

I think I'm going to keep this desktop install fresh or at least fresher than the last, and install things as I go versus migrating everything over (I may migrate everything over on my laptop however)

  

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66. "Can preview go fullscreen now?"
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And is it 64 bit?

  

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76. "Yep & Yep"
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78. "Nice"
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The fullscreen apps and file handling stuff have me wanting to upgrade, but that new iCal and address book are ass cheeks.

  

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82. "You know, I don't mind them"
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I HATED the way the old Address Book looked. So even if it isn't function or intuitive design wise it's still better to me than before.

  

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89. "it's like they said in the ars review"
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it comes down to whether you think it's ugly or not. To me, all the leather looks kitschy and lame. What happened to clean, minimalist apple?

That's a pretty minor gripe though. All the file management stuff (versions, automatic saving) more than makes up for it. I accidentally deleted a keynote presentation i had been working on for a couple hours last week, so I'm definitely looking at taking the plunge. I'll probably do a fresh install, too.

  

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69. "Really liking it so far."
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Certain programs seem to be running more quickly, but I did have to download experimental builds of Bowtie and Geektool to get some things working properly again.

I'm a little hesitant to do some of the typical mods that I usually do to things like the menu bar, but I'm sure the locations of files are pretty much the same. I'll wait for some people to test the waters before I do it, though.

  

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71. "RE: Really liking it so far."
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EDIT: I went ahead and did some menu bar icon changes, and things seem to be exactly the same. The new 64-bit iTunes also seems to be very fast.

  

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72. "Can we talk about the new iTunes?!?!"
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Dear merciful heavens, I've never been happier with this program. After a decade of bullshit, it finally "just works!"

  

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73. "It's the fastest I've ever seen it, and it's handling my 250GB+ library"
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easily. They reverted the volume bar to something ugly again (I liked the previous version). I wonder if Apple is anal enough to put out another update soon just to fix that if they get enough complaints.

I don't really ever look at iTunes much since I use CoverSutra most of the time, but it just feels really smooth.

  

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74. "How's your *ahem* 'trial' versions coming along"
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In particular the Adobe ones.

  

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75. "CS5 is working fine for me."
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There was an update for me, but I think that may have been due to a clean install, although it could have also been for Lion compatibility reasons.

Wine and Winebottler seem to also be working well (maybe faster).

I think Bowtie and Geektool were the only programs that were not working correctly with Lion.

  

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91. "Nice."
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77. "So they got rid of the lozenge right"
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making it harder (unpossible?) to expand windows to drag a new app to the applications folder to install. So I thought oh, well I'll just try to drag it into launchpad and then maybe it'll install in the applications folder too. Nope!

And then you can't remove apps you drag into Launchpad except by going to ~/Library/Application Support/The File and deleting it

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79. "just drop it onto the Applications link in the sidebar"
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that's what I did.

  

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83. "I can't is my point"
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see: http://i54.tinypic.com/14secrb.png

The lozenge is gone so I can't expand the window to view the sidebar and thus the applications link and in the view menu "Show Sidebar" is greyed out! It's really annoying.

  

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85. "yeah, i don't like that it's no longer there. I have to open a new"
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finder window and eject the dmg from there. Annoyance indeed. I'm hopeful the option is there and we just haven't found it yet.


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88. "that sucks"
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you could put your applications folder in the dock, though

  

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95. "I always just closed those windows anyway"
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opened another and ejected.

*shrug*

  

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98. "So you always used two finder windows to install a program?"
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117. "yes. don't judge me."
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It was quicker for me to hit Command-N.

  

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84. "Just finished downloading... I like so far"
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The scrolling thing is screwing my brain a lil but I'm an iPhone user first MacBook second so Ill get used to it quickly.

Full screen apps dope. Shoulda been had but whatever

Lauchpad is cool and getting back to your desktop and switching apps is cool too.

Nothing major, for 30 bucks what you expect

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86. "CS5 performance!?!??????? *waiting @ the app store"
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ready to cop*...


RDF..TOO..STROOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG...

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87. "Does this help?"
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http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/905/cpsid_90508.html

  

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90. "Thanks Turtle. :)"
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94. "it's not a crime to wait."
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96. "I'm waiting on 10.7.1,"
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I have no compelling reason to jump in.

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97. "good man, Mr. Black."
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99. "Excelsior B, excelsior."
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92. "So they took away zooming while holding down control"
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Here's how to reinable it if you care.

Go to: System Preferences > Universal Access > Seeing

Make sure Zoom is "Off" > then select zoom "Options" > "Use scroll wheel with modifier keys to zoom" and the control symbol "^" should be there by default

  

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93. "yeah thats dumb.. but its still there"
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100. "So what do you think? Magical isn't it?"
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http://www.apple.com

Think Different.

Recycle your e-waste, please.

  

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101. "Let me turn off Resume in Preview."
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You fucking jackass.

  

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108. "This may work"
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http://www.tuaw.com/2011/07/26/dear-aunt-tuaw-help-me-fine-tune-session-window-restores/

Dear Aunt TUAW,

So far I love the Lion with one exception. Users should be able to toggle "resume" on and off per app. Love it when I'm reopening Pages but hate it when I'm reopening Safari.

I tried to send feedback directly to Apple by utilizing my Apple Customer Pulse invitation, except that since getting my invite to participate the service has been completely silent and the website shows a blank default page with no log-in. Curious.

Can you help, Auntie?

Your loving nephew,

Jeff



Dear Jeff,

Auntie will certainly try. The store-windows-on-suspend behavior is normally controlled in System Preferences > General Settings using the Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps preference.

This pref translates into a global preference called NSQuitAlwaysKeepsWindows. When enabled, Lion attempts to restore windows to their previous positions and their most recent contents. The preference is stored into .GlobalPreferences.plist. (Notice that first period? It makes it invisible.)

What's interesting is that Lion does respect this preference on a per-app basis even though there's no such functionality built into preferences or into apps. The NSQuitAlwaysKeepsWindows preference can be used in application user defaults files, which are found in your home Library/Preferences folder.

Auntie put together an application (the "Resuminator (http://ericasadun.com/ftp/Macintosh/Resuminator.zip)"; windows won't be back) to help you with this, which you can download here. When run, you can select an application and override resume for just that application.

Hugs,

Auntie T.

  

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110. "how's your liver?"
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102. "Chrome seems a lot more crashy now."
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Almost as chrashy as it was when it first came out for Mac.

This may force me back to Safari.

  

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103. "I use Safari now."
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Chrome doesn't support the multitouch gestures like Safari does.

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107. "Yeah, these are pretty nice."
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Diggin the new downloads thing, too.

  

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104. "Does the late 2008 MacBook support multitouch gestures?"
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Have seen anything about that when I searched for it on google.

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105. "2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo 13" Late 2008."
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Supports everything. However, the gestures to bring up the Launchpad and to show the desktop are awkward as hell though.

Well they used to call me Maf

  

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106. "Yep, that's the one I have."
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109. "yup... im on one now"
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112. "So save as needs to be brought back, at least in Textedit."
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I shouldn't have to go the extra step and duplicate a file before I can change the save format.

  

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113. "None of the apps I use on a regular basis support that feature."
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The only one that does is Keynote. I wish they could patch this feature into pre-existing applications.

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114. "Been using it at work all week. Assessment:"
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Lion on a 15" MacBook Pro, 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB of RAM, 750 GB Western Digital 7200 rpm internal storage upgrade, NVidia 9600 gfx card

- Modal computing & Gestures: I keep AE open in one space, Illustrator in another, Mail in another; etc. Three fingered swipe between spaces is fast, feels natural, and actually speeds my workflow a bit. Mission Control actually works better for my needs than the various Expose features. Overall, the part I'm happiest about with the OS.

-Launchpad: It's inoffensive. I keep my apps folder on my dock, which affects a similar speed of access. The gesture for launchpad is actually pretty handy, but it organizes your apps like a fucking asshole. Also, there are doubles of some of my apps now that only show up in Launchpad view.

-Finder: All My Files view is mildly helpful. I have absolutely no use for AirDrop at present. THEY TOOK AWAY DIRECT ACCESS TO THE LIBRARY DIRECTORY. As someone who has to move fonts, Motion templates, plug-ins,; etc, this is a pile of malarial horseshit. I shouldn't have to type '~/Library' just to get access to my software's innards. Also, my computer suddenly autocorrects the following: curses, Yiddish, slang, CURSES, and names. Fuck you, asshole computer. I know better than you.

'Natural' scrolling. People who piss about this are kind of retarded. You can turn it off. I haven't: I use iOS devices enough that it's not a big deal.

I miss the scroll bar, though, because it has disappeared from ALL MY FUCKING APPS except Maya. When you've got a million layers in a comp, it's a pain in the shaven manparts scrolling through that shit -- I want to be able to jump around. That option's been taken from me.
- Fullscreen apps: kind of bullshit. Fullscreen Mail, Safari, Chrome; etc is aesthetically aligned with jumping from screen to screen, but it's otherwise useless. It doesn't add or subtract from the user experience.

-Resume: Doesn't suck. Little irritating with Adobe projects.

- Boot time and shut down take a quarter of the time theory used to in 10.6.8. Apps quit faster. I'm crashing less than I used to, which is interesting. Maya's menus used to have a corruption where options int he Attributes would render in webdings -- that's unfucked itself now.

Mac native apps (mail, calendar, address book) are whatever. Mail is still slower than Thunderbird in my experience. The message threading works better in Sparrow (Which is a nice, lighter client that looks like the Twitter app). The Calendar app is (dare I see) even less useful. Address Book's got a smaller footprint.

Thus far, for my needs, I give the upgrade an 7.5 out of 10

  

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118. "You can bring back the scroll bars"
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In settings under General. There's an option for "Show scroll bars" and you can just click on always. They're more of the iOS style gray bars, but they're at least always there. You can also choose between making it jump to the next page or jump to the spot on the bar you clicked.

>I miss the scroll bar, though, because it has disappeared from
>ALL MY FUCKING APPS except Maya. When you've got a million
>layers in a comp, it's a pain in the shaven manparts scrolling
>through that shit -- I want to be able to jump around. That
>option's been taken from me.
>- Fullscreen apps: kind of bullshit. Fullscreen Mail, Safari,
>Chrome; etc is aesthetically aligned with jumping from screen
>to screen, but it's otherwise useless. It doesn't add or
>subtract from the user experience.

  

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121. "Good looking out."
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115. "this seems like an awful lot of work. (c) Nopayne"
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/how-to-install-snow-leopard-on-a-brand-new-lion-based-mac/10652?pg=4&tag=mantle_skin;content

  

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116. "Yeah, that guy's an idiot."
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If his computer exploded he woulda deserved it.

  

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119. "Almost nice, but kinda fucking annoying"
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Really only two annoyances:

Why the motherfuck does this resume "feature" just ignore what I tell it. I clicked off the "Restore windows when quitting and re-opening apps", yet Preview in particular insists on opening whatever pictures or PDFs I was looking at when I closed it half the time. It's seriously at random the way this happens as far as I can tell. Sometimes shit opens with the files I was last looking at and sometimes it doesn't.

I don't like how when you right click a program, it shows you a list of recent files opened with the program. This sucks since I use Quicktime to look at porn a lot, so any body that uses my comp can see all the weird shit I watch. Talk about a lack of privacy. Even worse is that these recent files also contain deleted files, which makes no fucking sense.

I checked out a way to delete them online, but it hasn't worked for me:

http://www.ainotenshi.org/876/clear-list-of-recent-items-in-os-x-lion-dock-expose/comment-page-1#comment-22526

Other than that, it's cool I guess. Besides the annoyances I can't think of anything particularly useful. The updated Safari and Mail programs are nice but ultimately a little underwhelming. I feel like I turned most everything that was new off, or ignored it entirely. Maybe that's a testament to how great 10.6 was (or maybe Nopayne is right and they just fucked up).

  

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120. "you have to cmd+w all windows first in preview before cmd+q"
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to make sure things don't resume in preview. ridiculous.

same goes for quicktime. i hope they fix this shit quick.

also, stop using quiucktime for shit.

vlc for .wmvs or .mp4s.

mplayer for .mkvs.

  

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123. "RE: you have to cmd+w all windows first in preview before cmd+q"
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Yeah, don't use quicktime. I actually like using the quicklook function better. much faster and more responsive. not to mention how convenient it is for pr0n clips...

You know, we could all be reading a book right now.

  

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124. "the last few times I used vlc it was horrible. "
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I'll have to go back and try again, but it ran like complete shit. I feel like it's the Mac version because the PC version worked great even on
my netbook.

  

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126. "I only recommended VLC because rips of, um, certain kinds of videos"
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tend to be encoded as .avi and .wmv still even though it's 2011.

I actually use MPlayer for almost everything (http://sites.google.com/site/hermihg/).

  

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128. "VLC is the truth!"
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Feels and looks better on lion and I use it for everything (including .mkvs)

I'm pretty happy with it so far but then again I stepped up my laptop game from the malcolm x book about a day before I got Lion.

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134. "MPlayer X is eons better"
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free in the app store

  

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122. "THIS"
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>This sucks since I use Quicktime to look at porn a lot, so any body that uses my comp can see all the weird shit I watch. Talk about a lack of privacy.

#DEAD

  

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125. "i've turned off al the new features as well..."
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...because they all suck ....the resume hasnt come back to since I changed it, but i think after a reboot it turns itself back on ...apple needs to address these issues

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127. "Boot Camp requires Windows 7."
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129. "the gray icons/folders in the finder SUCK!!!!!!!"
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....and expose "ALL WINDOWS" needs to come back ...now its either "all applications" or "mission control" which sucks

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130. "Nother bug I noticed"
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Every time I get a new message in mail, the little "1" number badge shows up. I click on mail, read the message, and it goes away.

Two or three minutes later I get a ding and another number badge for the SAME MESSAGE, showing up as unread again for no reason.

  

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131. "I don't think that's mail"
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I think that's your email. If it's Gmail and you have it synced with the Gmail option try switching to exchange instead. I had that problem on my iPad until I weighed it to exchange.

The offspring :-D

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132. "I see..."
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It looks like it added an extra gmail account so that I basically had my main gmail coming in via IMAP on one and POP on another.

Mail had to have added that in Lion because it wasn't there before and I wasn't getting duplicate messages until I upgraded.

  

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133. "Now that I've been using it the past two weeks"
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I have no complaints. Seriously. I use Lion in a practical setting, and there is nothing bad about it.

Mission Control > Exposé
Swiping through desktops is actually faster than fumbling through windows or cycling through apps
Launchpad is innocuous
Fullscreen apps (by Apple) are good and easy to use.
All the gestures make sense and work for me.

Of course, this is all on laptop, where screen real estate is at a premium.

When I plug in my 30" monitor at home, most of the new features go ignored.

But yeah: AE on one desktop, Maya running in another, Safari in another, Illustrator in another. Really painless. I approve.

  

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135. "RDF. Still not installing it."
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:)

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137. "Except that I can use a 3 finger swipe to go back in the finder"
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136. "pretty clever what they did with XCode 4"
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either pony up $99 yearly for the developer program, or upgrade to lion and get it for free from the app store. Pretty smart/evil way to get the casual developers and CS students on the newest version.

  

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138. "iLaugh."
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139. "Why do these apps insist on resuming when I told them"
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not to?!

I fucking HATE OS X Lion.

  

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140. "Yeah, I still really do not like Lion. "
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Spell checking automatically correcting shit is my latest pet peeve. It's like Apple just decided "hey, these are good new features and if you don't like em fuck off because there's no way to turn them off"

You can TRY to turn it off in Safari, but the check box is grayed out. I also tried to turn it off via Terminal, but that didn't work, either. Of course they don't give you any sort of universal "disable spelling auto correct" option because that would be too much like right.

  

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141. "RE: Yeah, I still really do not like Lion. "
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http://osxdaily.com/2011/07/28/turn-off-auto-correct-in-mac-os-x-lion/

  

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143. "lulz. Cheif, gotta cat the L train on this one.. "
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I can feel him on the resume feature but I just close shit out and I don't have an issue.


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144. "Thank you! "
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Every time I googled that shit I just got ways to turn it off with terminal (they didn't work).

Still can't figure out how to get Safari to not load up with whatever pages I had open tho.

  

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145. "I think this'll do it."
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http://www.downloadcrew.com/article/24127-lion_tweaks

or just this if you don't wanna download anything:

http://osxdaily.com/2011/08/01/turn-off-resume-per-app-in-mac-os-x-lion/

Turn Off Resume for Safari

defaults write com.apple.Safari NSQuitAlwaysKeepsWindows -bool false

  

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146. "You know what, I think I maybe something is fucked up."
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Like some shit broke when it was installing. The auto correct spelling keeps turning itself back on somehow. It seems like settings in general aren't saving.

I'm gonna repair some permissions and if that doesn't work try a clean install.

  

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148. "Maybe your mac has cancer."
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142. "Still on SL. I get Lion in the January reup."
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MBP.
RDF.

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147. "Here's how to bring back the color icons in the finder"
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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/apple/three-ways-to-fix-os-x-lions-finder-sidebar/11038


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