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53. "Dissecting the collapse, defending Doc"
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Doc is catching a lot of heat here. I still defend him. I think he tried to do a lot of the right things this year but they didn't work out because of the personnel, mostly.

I know that sounds strange given the talent and depth they had, but let's look at some things.

First, this weird platoon point guard situation. You're not making offense/defense substitutions that frequently but their situation demands it constantly. You have two guys who each play only one end of the floor, essentially, and neither one is a traditional point guard. At some point Rivers began trying to make Beverly the extension of him on the floor, have him become more of a real point guard who ran the offense and contributed more himself. That didn't really work in my opinion, and it was a tough experiment given that Beverley is hardly a young player to be molded. They could have run Kawhi more as a point forward, I guess, but overall this team didn't have a clear leader offensively. That hurt them. PG also sucked in another big game, but why did they even get to a Game 7 here?

Second, let's look at their defense. On paper, it has two DPOY caliber guys, a perimeter stopper and several players who are at least adequate. Only Williams you'd say is a poor defender, Shamet a work in progress, etc. But that doesn't mean you have a good defense. I saw them during the year where their D was flat out terrible, unable to guard the three-point line and not much better inside. The first thing there is that they don't have an elite or even adequate rim protector. No matter how good your wings and ball-stoppers are, it's really hard to equal or compensate for a top guy in the paint. From there, they never really jelled defensively and that brings me to my third and final point.

Lastly, you had a team that was constantly putting guys on minute restrictions and otherwise load managing. The pause may have taken away from the impact of regular-season workloads and decisions for some teams, but in my view the Clippers' approach was so exaggerated or at least extensive that it still affected them. They never clicked on D consistently and moving up guys to playoff rotation minutes did not appear to take well at all. It was a lack of chemistry, in part, but also a lack of rhythm.

Obviously I understand most if not all of these shortcomings are Doc's responsibility to some degree, but we are talking about winning the title here, a very difficult task with a tight margin for error. It's hard to overcome fundamental flaws like these.

And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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We talkin' about Doc Rivers coaching his ass off in LA? [View all] , Dr Claw, Mon Mar-18-19 09:44 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
he and Nate McMillan are definitely doing their thing
Mar 18th 2019
1
I think we need to talk about how he's a Top 10 coach in NBA history.
Mar 18th 2019
2
after Phil and Pop who’s ahead of him in the modern era?
Mar 18th 2019
3
      So there’s this guy... his name is Pat....
Mar 18th 2019
4
           lol
Mar 18th 2019
5
           I appear like a #BBN vigilante righting wrongs
Mar 18th 2019
6
           Ok Riley then who else? Because I was just thinking top 10 is kind of...
Mar 18th 2019
7
                LB Da Gawd. That’s all I got though.
Mar 18th 2019
8
                what puts LB above Doc?
Mar 18th 2019
13
                     All those wins... all those rebuilds.
Mar 18th 2019
16
                It gets hard when you consider big winners with shorter tenures.
Mar 18th 2019
12
                     I could definitely see some of those...
Mar 18th 2019
14
                     KC Jones *NEVER* comes up. It's all Daly, Riley, Feel.
Mar 18th 2019
17
                          he does come up and where did he have success other than boston?
Mar 18th 2019
22
                               Which team Feel ever coach without multiple all time greats?
Mar 18th 2019
24
                                    was that even part of the discussion?
Mar 18th 2019
26
                     I wouldn't have Rudy T. Jones is borderline top 10, let me think here .....
Mar 18th 2019
21
It's been incredible.
Mar 18th 2019
9
Nate or Doc = COTY
Mar 18th 2019
10
I would put Malone in there as well and i though he shoulda been canned ...
Mar 18th 2019
28
Doc got a bunch of dudes from the Y and got them BALLING.
Mar 18th 2019
11
NOPE!! BUDENHOLZER TURNED GIANNIS INTO A SUPERSTAR!!!
Mar 18th 2019
15
Another straw man torched, good work
Mar 18th 2019
18
I mean he is definitely in the mix but I think Doc and McMillan are 1-2
Mar 18th 2019
20
      No, its not close. This might be most lopsided race ever.
Mar 18th 2019
23
           Going from 7th to 1st in the conference, man.
Mar 18th 2019
25
                Bwahah. Bucks took Boston to 7 LAST YEAR. BETTER than the SIXERS
Mar 18th 2019
27
                     White dude takes best player to 60 wins. Shocking
Mar 18th 2019
29
                     Wow, what a reach, fucking laughable
Mar 18th 2019
30
                          Bwaha! Where's the lie!?!? Bucks took them to SEVEN. Sixers?
Mar 19th 2019
31
                               LOL
Mar 19th 2019
32
The job he did last year was amazing, COY worthy, this year, too
Mar 18th 2019
19
Man... look
Apr 25th 2019
33
A little too much ass if you ask me
Sep 16th 2020
34
Real question, is Doc in jeopardy of losing his job?
Sep 16th 2020
35
      yes...
Sep 16th 2020
36
      RE: yes...
Sep 16th 2020
37
      if he wasn't black i don't think it'd be a question
Sep 16th 2020
38
      I think it would. 7 seasons, with multple all stars, no WCF
Sep 16th 2020
42
           and the stuff coming out after the game is NOT helping...
Sep 16th 2020
43
                My question is... who on the market is better?
Sep 16th 2020
44
                     Calm down...
Sep 16th 2020
45
                     .....calm down? what about that wasn't calm?
Sep 16th 2020
46
                          Trying to pretend like the playing field is level when it’s not.
Sep 16th 2020
47
                               what did I say that wasn't calm?
Sep 16th 2020
48
                                    calm down = slow down, you putting so much into a figure of speech...
Sep 17th 2020
50
                                         Calm down =slow down" is even dumber then calm down
Sep 17th 2020
51
                                              okayplayer. n/m
Sep 17th 2020
52
                     I agree. Where is the obvious better fit for this team?
Sep 16th 2020
49
                     I'm honestly not in here advocating for his firing...
Sep 18th 2020
54
                          also...they flipped the team instead of the coach when things got stale
Sep 19th 2020
56
      He should be fired.
Sep 16th 2020
40
Did Doc always let his assistant run the defense?
Sep 16th 2020
39
this was pre-Kawhi and PG13. Clippers played way better last year
Sep 16th 2020
41
I feel like the main problem was neither Kawhi or PG are really vocal...
Sep 21st 2020
57
I can’t understand NOT playing PG or Kawhi on Murray
Sep 19th 2020
55

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