Damn near all of their stars unloaded to other teams and they look ready to go. My dogg Landry God Shamet fitting in nicely over there.

even if they miss the playoffs they look like a good bet on a level up once Fagency hits.

And by the time he's done, he's likely to be closer to Top 7-8. Almost 900 wins, 58% winning percentage over a 20 year span, over 50% winning percentage in the playoffs, two conference titles and a ring.

That's an *incredible* resume in the modern era of the sport, both the success and the sustenance over two decades.

No matter what your list is based on-- whether it's based on playoff success or sustained success-- you've gotta have Doc in there.

low and I was thinking more like top 5.

It’s just a discussion.

I'm sure some folks on here would argue for Chuck Daly, for Rudy T, for KC Jones... shit, probably for Steve Kerr. He's already Top 5 in conference titles and Top 6 in titles out of *all-time coaches*. Some people won't want to give him the credit, but I'm sure some will.

Also worth noting that I said *all-time* for Top 10, so you obviously put Red Auerbach on there, and there may be a couple other guys worth noting-- again, probably with shorter tenures. If it was just the modern era, yeah, of course I'd have bumped that number higher.

I just think, whether you prefer guys with shorter careers but big playoff success, or whether you prefer guys with longer careers and more sustained success-- Doc belongs to the Top 10 regardless. And if you value the coaches who achieve both, then of course he's higher.

>I'm sure some folks on here would argue for Chuck Daly, for
>Rudy T, for KC Jones... shit, probably for Steve Kerr.

I feel like KC Jones doesn't get enough credit

>I feel like KC Jones doesn't get enough credit

I wonder why?


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outside of the celtics he had one season of note at any level and in any role (he coached washington to the finals they lost in 75). same thing with tom heinsohn, who had a very similar level of success with boston as jones but never coached anywhere else.

in both cases there was a sense that auerbach was running the show much as he did from upstairs in 68 and 69. again i don't fully understand how that discredits either guy, but i don't think either has been overlooked.

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that's kinda coming from nowhere but if you wanna look at it that way, pop and lb have both had successful teams with just one all-time great. rivers has gotten a lot out of teams that had no business approaching .500 (magic, clippers).

with jackson yeah he's always had great teams. great teams that won nothing before he arrived and became three-peaters afterward. these coaching arguments are really not your strong point.

It's hard to rate some current guys like Kerr, Pringles, Spo and Doc though Doc has a pretty big body of work now.

Red
Pop
Feel
LB
Riley
Hannum

That's six guys I would *definitely* have on the list. From there the aforementioned guys plus Daly, Jones, Holzman, Heinsohn, Sloan and Cunningham are kind of battling it out to me. It's kind of hard to differentiate them as making or missing the cut to me. With both Heinsohn and Jones there was always kind of the suspicion that they were an arm of Auerbach, which isn't necessarily a bad thing since they were successful and obviously anyone would have counted on his advice. Pringles not enough top-level success but then again that could have been said of Brown at one point and I'd still have had him top 10, and Sloan also never won a title. Kerr has only had one shot, I think I'll be more comfortable putting him here once he's had another job or a different group at GS. That same thing works against Billy C, but damn he did a helluva job and with some turnover there. There are probably some guys I am missing and I could hear arguments for like Lenny Wilkens and Nellie among others also. John Kundla is another one but that's before the time of anyone I know.

I wish they'd move the awards to after the postseason

I have a feeling Bud or Malone are going to get it and flame out in the offs

Shouts to Doc though

Wasn't too long ago, erry talking head had SAC leap frogging their way into playoff seeding

Amazing job by him and his staff.

Jesus H. Christ

McMillan keeping the Pacers afloat with no Oladipo is remarkable because early in the year they weren't doing much with him not on the floor. Really solid job by that whole staff. I wonder if some of his assistants will get a look for head gigs, would love to see Popeye Jones get a shot.

Two people are very clearly doing the best coaching
job in the league.

Everyone else LMAO No

I get it, you won't let the Kidd thing go but come on.

Bwhhahaa

They actually played Boston BETTER than the SIXERS DID

you're getting worse at this over the years

>you're getting worse at this over the years

FIVE.

By that logic the Sixers took Boston to 7 in 2012 and then Boston took Miami to 7, so they were all similar teams. They weren't, the Sixers were terrible and basically had lighting strike to get out of the fucking first round (best two opposing players injured).

No one, and I mean no one, is accepting such corny ass bullshit. Also funny how you continually duck the fact that teams get better after coaching changes. Yes, the Bucks are a MUCH better team this year, just like the Warriors have left dead-weight ass Mark Jackson behind to become a dynasty. Hold these nuts and hold those Ls, man, it's SO overdue.

Arguably last year he had even less to work with given all the new faces and injuries they had. This year I thought the Harris trade was kind of a sign that they didn't GAF about the playoffs and wanted to keep their pick. Part of it has been an unwillingness of teams chasing them to win (cough Lakers cough) but they have also been playing really sound basketball. Shout out to my man Montrezl, too, loved the dude at Louisville and he's really taken his game to another level this year.

Perhaps not fired but a mutual parting? He has been in LA for a while now and hasn’t been able to get the Clippers over the hump.

>Perhaps not fired but a mutual parting? He has been in LA for
>a while now and hasn’t been able to get the Clippers over
>the hump.


They just signed him to a contract extension his black ass getting fired

>>Perhaps not fired but a mutual parting? He has been in LA
>for
>>a while now and hasn’t been able to get the Clippers over
>>the hump.
>
>
>They just signed him to a contract extension his black ass
>getting fired


You left out the most important part of the extension; it was only for one year.

I have to think even Doc knew in that fourth quarter that he is pretty much a goner.

it'd be a bad look to fire the league's top black coach in this social climate, but he has more than earned it w/ his history of collapses and the joke shit they ran out this year.

this dude didnt make any adjustments for 3 straight games as his team just collapsed over and over. and then worst of all they quit. country club culture.

His team rebuilt after losing a trio of all stars by signing the reigning finals MVP and getting an MVP candidate in one night

Then he blows yet another 3-1 lead in the semis?

Nah. Very few coaches are staying after that.

y'all conditioning was shitty?? Poor chemistry?? Coach eatin all of that.

Or a better fit for this team.

Obviously I can't speak for Doc and what he wants, but I can't imagine he doesn't have his pick of available jobs next year if he does get canned.

IMO, he has one year left, as do Kawhi and PG, it's best to just ride out this group and let the chips fall where the fall.

If they can't pull it out next year- or show a significant improvement over this collapse- it's a wholesale rebuild either way. They're better off going in with continuity, unless there's something very serious beneath the surface

>Or a better fit for this team.
>
>Obviously I can't speak for Doc and what he wants, but I can't
>imagine he doesn't have his pick of available jobs next year
>if he does get canned.

He’s black he will probably go on the shelf with all the other black coaches


>IMO, he has one year left, as do Kawhi and PG, it's best to
>just ride out this group and let the chips fall where the
>fall.
>
>If they can't pull it out next year- or show a significant
>improvement over this collapse- it's a wholesale rebuild
>either way. They're better off going in with continuity,
>unless there's something very serious beneath the surface

I don’t know if it’s possible but they need to try to flip PG for CP3. Your 2 best players having the personality of a rock doesn’t work.

Kawhi is from the Tim Duncan school of leadership where you let other guys assume most of that role.

In Toronto last year he had vets like Lowry and Ibaka who had been there plus a lot of younger guys that stepped up.

The Clippers were a mixed bag from the beginning and people expected it to all work when the playoffs started.

It’s not all Doc’s fault but he had a role and I feel like there’s something he could’ve done to win 1 of those games he just got out coached.

What a stupid thing for you to say.

Please, point mto the un-calm portion of my post.

Then point me to the comment I supposedly made about a level playing field.

No projecting, no filling in blanks in things I didn't say with baseless extrapolation, no paraphrasing, none of that bullshit.

Point me to my those exact comments.

and not the rest of what I said indicates you were not calm lol

your header was thoughtless nonsense. it didn't stop there.

Your little post hoc rationalization doesn't change that.

You've been stuck in message board gimmick mode for so long you don't know how to have a sincere, sensible discussion. It's like you're using a stack of prewritten index cards instead of having an actual conversation.

just saying with the way they went ALL in on this season, the expectations, all the critics exalting them...only to not only miss on even making the conference finals...but, to do it in that manner. Losing 3 straight elimination games. Being this isn't even Doc's first time doing THAT, with a totally different roster...would it blow you away if you saw a breaking news flash that Ballmer let him go?

that sounds insane in today's NBA, but hes coached CP3, Blake, Kawhi, and PG all in their legit primes.

the way he has been treated in LA has been pretty good

also...that first time he blew 3-1 was really personally satisfying after his team mouthed off to the media. after the Pistons absolutely trounced them in game 5 i knew exactly where that was headed

Love Doc but overseeing such a historically embarrassing collapse means you get canned.

and they didn't even have the "elite" talent

NyQuil is contagious

Doc is catching a lot of heat here. I still defend him. I think he tried to do a lot of the right things this year but they didn't work out because of the personnel, mostly.

I know that sounds strange given the talent and depth they had, but let's look at some things.

First, this weird platoon point guard situation. You're not making offense/defense substitutions that frequently but their situation demands it constantly. You have two guys who each play only one end of the floor, essentially, and neither one is a traditional point guard. At some point Rivers began trying to make Beverly the extension of him on the floor, have him become more of a real point guard who ran the offense and contributed more himself. That didn't really work in my opinion, and it was a tough experiment given that Beverley is hardly a young player to be molded. They could have run Kawhi more as a point forward, I guess, but overall this team didn't have a clear leader offensively. That hurt them. PG also sucked in another big game, but why did they even get to a Game 7 here?

Second, let's look at their defense. On paper, it has two DPOY caliber guys, a perimeter stopper and several players who are at least adequate. Only Williams you'd say is a poor defender, Shamet a work in progress, etc. But that doesn't mean you have a good defense. I saw them during the year where their D was flat out terrible, unable to guard the three-point line and not much better inside. The first thing there is that they don't have an elite or even adequate rim protector. No matter how good your wings and ball-stoppers are, it's really hard to equal or compensate for a top guy in the paint. From there, they never really jelled defensively and that brings me to my third and final point.

Lastly, you had a team that was constantly putting guys on minute restrictions and otherwise load managing. The pause may have taken away from the impact of regular-season workloads and decisions for some teams, but in my view the Clippers' approach was so exaggerated or at least extensive that it still affected them. They never clicked on D consistently and moving up guys to playoff rotation minutes did not appear to take well at all. It was a lack of chemistry, in part, but also a lack of rhythm.

Obviously I understand most if not all of these shortcomings are Doc's responsibility to some degree, but we are talking about winning the title here, a very difficult task with a tight margin for error. It's hard to overcome fundamental flaws like these.

leaders, they always had others to play that role on past teams.

And then not having a traditional point guard hurt. Sure they had multiple guys who can dribble and pass but nobody who's primary concern was to get other guys shots. PG's struggles shouldn't have lasted more that 1 game.

These days a lot of teams seem to be going away from the traditional point guard role with mixed success. Obviously it works for GS because they have a unique player like Draymond. Even with the Lakers even though Bron is the default point guard its nice to have Rondo. You see Malone in Denver giving some other guys run because as good as Murray is he can be out of control sometimes and shoot you out of a game.

In the East semi-finals I loved watching Lowry and Smart grind it out.

Miami is interesting because of how they play. They have Dragic who is a vet and has been balling. I think Kendrick Nunn is trying to work his was back into the rotation. In Boston Kemba and Smart kind of share the role not unsimilar to the situation in Toronto.

Can’t say I watched every game

Thing that stuck out to me IRT Game 7

Murray was cooking in the first half

Why not give PG or Kawhi that assignment in the 2nd half?