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4. "The real eye opener is looking at Euro players who don't declare."
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If you want to really see a drop, especially with Chad Ford, look at the foreign players who don't come out when their stock is high. Porzingis is an exception as most end up like Pavel Podkolzine ("My head says Bosh could be a real star in a year or two. But my heart says Podkolzine here.") or Maciej Lampe. Euros routinely get exposed if they don't strike when the iron is hot.

I did a quick version of what you're talking about back in the day and I found that high schoolers taken in the first round had less of a bust percentage than college kids. My guess is that it is the same with one and doners. There are always kids who wouldn't make it but the "They would have been better if they had stayed" is 100% opinion. It is in no way, shape, or form a given that kid would get better if he stayed in school and he also risks injury to play for free. And it's not like it necessarily helps them mature either. (And, not to pile on, in many cases, college doesn't prepare kids for their NBA position.)

The only thing that does help IMO is that sometimes the kids in general could benefit from having lower expectations. Andre Drummond's career is likely better off after he struggled a bit at UConn and fell from being a top 2 pick. I think Skal will benefit from it this year.

But the decision ultimately depends on the kid. Some guys could use another year to become the man or boost their confidence, some guys need to start learning the pro game and take a step up in talent level of competition. To me, grown men bashing a kid for making a decision he and his family thinks is best for them is one of the most frustrating things to watch.

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Is there a Chad Ford Big Board archive? [View all] , Frank Longo, Tue Apr-05-16 11:50 AM
 
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he makes me sick
Apr 05th 2016
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I'm planning a project.
Apr 05th 2016
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      sounds cool
Apr 05th 2016
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      That's definitely true for Euros- but what about US HSers who play abroa...
Apr 05th 2016
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      you brought me back with Podkolzin
Apr 05th 2016
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      Jon Abrams book collects research on HS to pro guys
Apr 05th 2016
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      self-selection is real, tho
Apr 05th 2016
12
      And it's an agent's stats, so multiple grains of salt needed
Apr 05th 2016
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      That book is up next on my reading list
Apr 05th 2016
13
      What's the title of that?
Apr 05th 2016
15
           Boys Among Men
Apr 05th 2016
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      I was pleasantly surprised by Marquette fans this year re: Ellenson
Apr 05th 2016
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           It's crazy how many sports fans still don't get this.
Apr 05th 2016
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Unrelated, how long does the NBA have draft rights to amateurs?
Apr 05th 2016
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I believe a player has to retire from professional basketball for one ye...
Apr 05th 2016
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      Ah shit, I forgot they draft foreign professionals
Apr 05th 2016
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           Yeah, but their draft rights are treated the same
Apr 05th 2016
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                Kobe in Charlotte was another right?
Apr 06th 2016
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You could try the Internet Archive?
Apr 05th 2016
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It's definitely on my to-do list.
Apr 05th 2016
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