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10. "statistical proof of some fishy shit going on: "
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http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/150126_SN_chart03.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg

That picture shows the difference in the Pats' fumble rate BEFORE and AFTER the 2007 rule change that Brady lobbied for (which allowed home teams to supply their own balls).

that shit is crazy. and while correlation != causation, i am open to ANYONE who can provide a plausible explanation for such a glaring statistical 'anomaly' between the Pats and the rest of the league.

btw, it can't be coaching methods, because ex pats players who went to other teams immediately reverted to the mean as far as fumble rate. so either they were on some magic shit, or this cheating thing is real.

here's the whole article:

http://t.co/xOGrR27BjT


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Dropped Balls
The Patriots became nearly fumble-proof after a 2006 rule change backed by Tom Brady.
By Warren Sharp

http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/150126_SN_chart03.jpg.CROP.original-original.jpg


Tom Brady of the New England Patriots “The thing is, every quarterback likes a little bit different,” Tom Brady said at the time he was pushing for the rule change.

Photo by Al Bello/Getty Images

In light of the ongoing ball deflation scandal consuming the New England Patriots, football data analyst Warren Sharp revisited the Patriots’ extraordinary recent fumble statistics that he covered last week and found something even more surprising. A slightly different version of this post first appeared on Sharp’s own site. It is reprinted with his permission.

While speculation exists that “Deflategate” was a one-time occurrence, data I introduced last week indicated that the phenomena could have potentially been an ongoing, long-standing issue for the New England Patriots. That possibility now looks much clearer.

Initially, looking at weather data, I noticed the Patriots performed extremely well in the rain, much more so than they were projected to. I followed that up by looking at the fumble data, which showed, regardless of weather or site, that the Patriots’ prevention of fumbles was nearly impossible. Ironically, both studies saw the same exact starting point: Something started for the Patriots in 2007 that is still going on today.

I wanted to compare the New England Patriots’ fumble rate from 2000, when coach Bill Belichick first arrived in New England, with the rest of the NFL. One thing I found in my prior research was that dome teams fumble substantially less frequently, given that they play at least eight-plus games out of the elements each year. To keep every team on a more level playing field, I eliminated dome teams from the analysis, grabbed only regular season games, and defined plays as pass attempts added with rushes and times sacked. The below results also look only at total fumbles, not just lost fumbles. This brought us to the ability to capture plays per fumble.

To confirm something was dramatically different in New England, starting in 2007 and running through the present, I compared the 2000–06 time period (when the Patriots won all of their Super Bowls) with the 2007–2014 time period. The beauty of data is that results speak for themselves:
150126_SN_chart01

Courtesy of Warren Sharp

This chart is jaw-dropping, and the visual perfectly depicts what happened. From a more technical perspective, John Candido, a data scientist at ZestFinance who is a colleague of mine over at the NFLproject.com website and was also involved in the development of this research, comments:

Based on the assumption that plays per fumble follow a normal distribution, you’d expect to see, according to random fluctuation, the results that the Patriots have gotten since 2007 once in 5,842 instances.

Which in layman’s terms means that this result only being a coincidence is like winning a raffle where you have a 0.0001711874 probability to win. In other words, it’s very unlikely that results this abnormal are only due to the endogenous nature of the game.

While these data do not prove the Patriots deflated footballs starting in 2007, we know they were interested in gaining control of their own footballs in 2006. (This is something I found out after I performed the first two analyses, both of which independently found that something changed starting in 2007.)

In 2006, Tom Brady (and Peyton Manning) lobbied in favor of changing an NFL rule that mandated home teams provided game balls for both teams. Brady wanted the NFL to let every team provide its own footballs to use on offense, even when that team was playing on the road. After Brady and Manning’s efforts, the NFL agreed to change the rule. Prior to that change, there would be relatively little advantage to playing with deflated footballs because both teams would be using the same balls.



“The thing is, every quarterback likes it a little bit different,” Brady said at the time he was pushing for the change. “Some like them blown up a little bit more, some like them a little more thin, some like them a little more new, some like them really broken in.”

You can clearly see the demarcation line on the following two graphs. The data are the same, but details are added in the second graph to provide additional information and context:
150126_SN_chart02
150126_SN_chart03

Charts courtesy of Warren Sharp

Once again, a key takeaway is deadly obvious: Prior to 2007 the Patriots were right in line with the league averages across the other nondome teams. When you look team by team, they literally are in the middle of the pack for most seasons. But starting in 2007, all similarities totally vanish.

The statistical “jump” the Patriots make in the 2006 offseason, from one fumble every 39 plays to one fumble every 76 plays is nothing short of remarkable. Their trend line over this period is not even close to that of the rest of the NFL.

The 2013 season is an oddity in that the Patriots were actually slightly worse than the rest of the NFL. Looking at that season, it’s apparent the reason: Of the Patriots’ 23 fumbles that season, six occurred in a single Sunday night game against the Broncos. That game was played in 22-degree weather, with 22 mph winds, and a wind chill of 6 degrees (cold conditions of this nature causing more fumbles than usual). It was this Week 12 “arctic” game and a Week 17 game against the Bills—which saw four fumbles—that really put the Patriots fumble rates for 2013 out of sync. This is exactly why looking at small sample sets, such as single seasons, is not the preferred method for these types of analyses.

Why are fumbles so important? Because as Bill Belichick knows, perhaps as good as anyone, turnovers usually control game outcomes. Since 2000, teams who won the turnover battle won 79 percent of their games, regardless of any other statistic. It’s clear how vital turnovers should be in the minds of intelligent coaches. As far as turnovers are concerned, the No. 1 issue for a team with a quarterback as skilled and proficient as Tom Brady is not interceptions (because there won’t be many), it’s fumbles.

Many arguments have been raised to try to explain why the Patriots don’t fumble as often as other teams. Many of them are challenged by some of the data. If it were coaching, former players should be able to tell us that Bill Belichick suddenly and drastically changed the way he instructed players to carry the football in the 2006 offseason. But the data show that if a mysterious trade secret were delivered, the players forgot about it when they left New England, as their individual fumble rates became drastically worse when playing for other NFL teams.

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A few things: 1) It's an interesting chart, and I applaud the author for listening to criticism and dropping the "fumbles lost" table, which is a bad stat to use. More...

-Benton Love

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The bottom line is, something happened in New England. It happened just before the 2007 season, and it completely changed this team. Any NFL investigations into allegations that the Patriots played regularly with deflated footballs would be wise to reference my research herein and to begin starting in 2006. That was when Tom Brady was able to help persuade the NFL to change its rules to allow him (and other quarterbacks) to provide their own footballs for all road games. I will reiterate, this analysis cannot say it was, undoubtedly, illegal football deflation that caused the data abnormalities. But it does conclude that something absolutely changed, and it was not the result of simple random fluctuation.

Because I was asked so often for the data that I used in the first analysis, as a courtesy, I am going to link to an excel file with all the summary data used to create the graphics shown above.

Warren Sharp runs the football analytics site Sharp Football Analysis.




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Yo, can we get a Cheatriots part 2 post!? WTF [View all] , bentagain, Tue Jan-27-15 10:19 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
Gabriel Sherman's GQ Piece (link)
Jan 27th 2015
1
Roger Goodell's history of favoritism, ambition and mooning
Jan 27th 2015
2
If they are not punished, nobody outside of New England will buy it
Jan 27th 2015
3
Nobody's banking on a rogue ball boy theory.
Jan 27th 2015
4
      The globe reported that the league used guages to measure
Jan 27th 2015
6
           Hahaha was that Shaughnessy?!
Jan 27th 2015
7
                Ben Volen
Jan 27th 2015
8
                     Take your own advice.
Jan 27th 2015
9
                          Again, I'm waiting for a single
Jan 27th 2015
11
REMINDER: Tommy Tantrum led the movement for the rule change
Jan 27th 2015
5
There goes the, was Legarrette Blount on steroids too...meme
Jan 27th 2015
13
Except Blount's fumble ratio is almost exact
Jan 27th 2015
16
that analysis is crappy and full of bad holes
Jan 27th 2015
14
one example of the flaw:
Jan 27th 2015
15
i disagree with the article!
Jan 27th 2015
17
      umm...that's not what i wrote
Jan 27th 2015
20
           you are the one that must be making more sense
Jan 27th 2015
21
                i admitted no merit. i pointed out multiple flaws w/ the article
Jan 27th 2015
22
                     'it might be right'
Jan 27th 2015
24
                          the article made a claim that's been neither proven nor disproven
Jan 27th 2015
25
Yea I dont buy the fumble story. But I love how it added fuel to the fir...
Jan 27th 2015
33
aka The Law Firm and a fumble a year.
Jan 27th 2015
19
      The Law Firm.
Jan 27th 2015
26
THEY DESTROYED THE SPYGATE TAPES
Jan 27th 2015
12
basically...
Jan 27th 2015
18
LOL...
Jan 27th 2015
23
it kinda pisses me off every time I think about that
Feb 01st 2015
170
#NoFumblegate
Jan 27th 2015
27
if they deflated the balls against the jets that's a new low
Jan 27th 2015
28
The NFL cares more about what color cleats players wear
Jan 27th 2015
29
$500K fine for not participating in media day
Jan 27th 2015
31
Wait...so they didn't cheat? I just can't keep up with all of this.
Jan 27th 2015
30
I don't think whether or not they cheated is up for debate
Jan 27th 2015
32
did you read that article you linked?
Jan 27th 2015
34
      I like you.
Jan 27th 2015
36
      Ah. Got it. Case closed.
Jan 27th 2015
39
      but if the pats aren't an outlier, it's harder to claim a causal relatio...
Jan 28th 2015
43
           first off, fuck this "innocent until proven guilty" bullshit
Jan 28th 2015
49
                And fuck this, you disagree with me, so you're biased bullshit
Jan 28th 2015
51
                Pats fans mealy-mouthed their way thru Spygate, it's not happening again
Jan 28th 2015
62
                     MealyMouthedTornado
Jan 28th 2015
73
                FYI: The K balls for kicking are kept separate.
Jan 28th 2015
77
I'm just ready for the Patriots to blowout the Hawks right about now
Jan 27th 2015
35
can I get your sisters address? want to invite them to my party again.
Jan 27th 2015
37
      lol don't you live near Foxboro?
Jan 27th 2015
38
           not really. like an hour? more on gameday.
Jan 27th 2015
40
                On gameday Gillette moves further away from your cave?
Jan 28th 2015
46
                     distance isn't measured by time dingus
Jan 28th 2015
47
Petition to boot Pats from Super Bowl tops 57,000 signatures (swipe)
Jan 28th 2015
41
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Jan 28th 2015
42
what's it like to root for a franchise
Jan 28th 2015
44
      LOLOLOLOL
Jan 28th 2015
45
      you realize ohio state could make it to the super bowl
Jan 28th 2015
65
           LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL STOP DUDE! JUST STOP!
Jan 28th 2015
68
                you're overdoing it
Jan 28th 2015
70
                     Hahahahahahaha. Oh man.
Jan 28th 2015
71
                          seriously, it's getting really sad now
Jan 28th 2015
74
                               The deflecting is what's sad.
Jan 28th 2015
76
                                    try again with a few more caps
Jan 29th 2015
90
                                         LOLOLOLOL back for more eh?!?!
Jan 29th 2015
94
                                              you were just one more "lol" away from convincing me
Jan 30th 2015
105
                                                   You poor thing.
Jan 30th 2015
108
                                                        there you go
Jan 30th 2015
111
                                                             *pats head* It's OK buddy. You'll be around plenty of friends Sunday
Jan 30th 2015
112
      Who, the injury-faking Giants?
Jan 28th 2015
60
           no, i'm talking about the team that's been too scared
Jan 28th 2015
66
No Steelers votes?
Jan 28th 2015
78
Why are they even entertaining weather as the issue?
Jan 28th 2015
48
not necessarily
Jan 28th 2015
50
      So 12 of 12 colts balls
Jan 28th 2015
53
           your numbers are off
Jan 28th 2015
55
                This has been my biggest question
Jan 28th 2015
56
                yes, it has been known a while
Jan 28th 2015
58
                the important numbers were right
Jan 28th 2015
57
It doesn't take that long to deflate footballs (link)
Jan 28th 2015
52
you'd want to be quick about it too
Jan 28th 2015
54
this is a stunning development
Jan 28th 2015
67
      i always duck into bathrooms with a dozen footballs
Jan 28th 2015
72
           it'd be suspicious if he *didn't* take the footballs in with him
Jan 28th 2015
75
LeGarrette Blount Tampering!!! HAHAHA!!! I'm lovin' it, give me more
Jan 28th 2015
59
is that even a doubt?
Jan 28th 2015
64
      Those devious Patriots.
Jan 28th 2015
79
           Latavius >>> Everyone on NE
Jan 29th 2015
98
I'm just so blissful to see NE MAD-making back in full force
Jan 28th 2015
61
you shouldn't be.
Jan 28th 2015
63
Oh Raiders fans.
Jan 28th 2015
81
      I wonder how that happened
Jan 28th 2015
83
           Anything that happened before 2001 doesn't matter.
Jan 28th 2015
86
                anything that happened before you were born doesn't count
Jan 29th 2015
88
                     seriously though, how did you become a Raider fan
Jan 29th 2015
96
                          Seriously though how ARE YOU STILL a Raiders fan?
Jan 29th 2015
104
you should be mad that belichick's cheating addiction
Jan 28th 2015
69
      Oh Steelers fans.
Jan 28th 2015
82
           ahhh lol, this is coming from a Steeleroids fan?
Jan 28th 2015
84
           what's it like to root for a franchise that's won
Jan 29th 2015
89
                most of those titles are thanks to steroids
Jan 29th 2015
91
                     there's no pillow softer than a rolled up terrible towel
Jan 29th 2015
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                          they got drugs for that too
Jan 29th 2015
95
                               do they have drugs for chronic cheating?
Jan 30th 2015
106
                                    yes they do. Steroids
Jan 30th 2015
107
                                         is that the drug that wasn't banned by the league
Jan 30th 2015
110
Perfect detailed breakdown of the whole thing (link):
Jan 28th 2015
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unfunny garbage. jesus.
Jan 28th 2015
85
It's a non-issue
Jan 29th 2015
87
clearly it's a very common practice
Jan 29th 2015
92
same shit Pats fans tried to say about Spygate
Jan 29th 2015
97
Giants, Colts, 49ers, Steelers got passes
Jan 29th 2015
99
      salary cap = off-the-field shit. cameras, balls = on-field.
Jan 29th 2015
100
           extra stars = on the field shit
Jan 29th 2015
101
           On field: would you rather have Deion plus Rice or 2 less psi?
Jan 29th 2015
102
                how about we just not count the salary of guys who never played
Jan 29th 2015
103
so it's not really cheating, they are just lying then
Jan 30th 2015
122
Straight laughable levels of incompetency, irresponsible journalism...
Jan 30th 2015
109
The investigation is still ongoing
Jan 30th 2015
115
      Oh I didn't say incompetent reporting, I meant incompetency by the leagu...
Jan 30th 2015
117
           you didn't say anything, to be fair.
Jan 30th 2015
118
                You poor thing.
Jan 30th 2015
120
                     You do this every two days. You have nothing.
Jan 30th 2015
124
                          Poor thing.
Jan 30th 2015
125
                               That's not what irony means.
Jan 30th 2015
127
                                    Poor, desperate thing.
Jan 30th 2015
129
                                         Is this what you've been reduced to?
Jan 30th 2015
131
                                              Poor thing!
Jan 30th 2015
133
                                                   this is just sad. and gross kinda.
Jan 30th 2015
134
                                                        Awwwwwww :( you poor thing!!!
Jan 30th 2015
135
                                                             I'm fine. You're the one having a crisis of personality.
Jan 30th 2015
136
                                                                  Poor, pathetic little thing :(
Jan 30th 2015
137
This thread: 5 or so people repeatedly saying the same thing over and ov...
Jan 30th 2015
113
people don't listen. i gotta break it down easy for them.
Jan 30th 2015
116
      Do you think you're going to convince Brew of anything?
Jan 30th 2015
140
           Hahaha, of course not.
Jan 30th 2015
141
                When your team doesn't go over .500 for over a decade...
Jan 30th 2015
145
                     i can tell when you're really bothered by the truth.
Jan 31st 2015
154
Patriots scored illegal touchdown against Colts
Jan 30th 2015
114
*gasp* an illegal formation in the NFL?!? That NEVER happens!
Jan 30th 2015
119
So, this isn't an ongoing trend in the postseason?
Jan 30th 2015
121
      You poor thing.
Jan 30th 2015
123
           Please don't do that.
Jan 30th 2015
126
                Poor thing.
Jan 30th 2015
128
                     Patriots scored an illegal touchdown.
Jan 30th 2015
130
                          Poor, poor thing.
Jan 30th 2015
132
                               ^^^ I love this by the way.
Jan 31st 2015
147
                                    uhhhh
Jan 31st 2015
149
                                         Poor thing.
Jan 31st 2015
155
                                              you don't want to be known for this.
Jan 31st 2015
156
                                                   Poor little thing!!
Jan 31st 2015
159
Refs blew a call?
Jan 30th 2015
146
      you're better than this. you really are.
Jan 31st 2015
152
Oooh! NFL didn’t log the PSI of each Patriots football from the jump.
Jan 30th 2015
138
Investigation is still on-going. Balls were still deflated.
Jan 30th 2015
139
      lol man them boys make you mad
Jan 30th 2015
142
           no systematic rules violations do
Jan 31st 2015
150
as with any nfl scandal, the real takeaway is how dumb the nfl is
Jan 30th 2015
143
i agree, clearly the real story isn't
Jan 30th 2015
144
Poor thing.
Jan 31st 2015
148
      you're insufferable, fitzy.
Jan 31st 2015
153
           Poor, pitiful soul.
Jan 31st 2015
157
                this is...sad and weak shit man.
Jan 31st 2015
158
                     Awwww you poor thing!
Jan 31st 2015
160
                          lol, i love that this is the defense mechanism you've settled on
Feb 01st 2015
161
                               awwwwww, bless your heart, sugar!
Feb 01st 2015
162
                                    he does it to me in every post now
Feb 01st 2015
163
                                         it's so pathetic
Feb 01st 2015
164
                                              that's why it's only him left
Feb 01st 2015
165
                                                   Eldery Ball Man.
Feb 01st 2015
166
                                                   Bad news? They never measured the balls beforehand
Feb 01st 2015
167
                                                   This was a pretty pathetic/hilarious string of posts to read just now.
Feb 02nd 2015
171
then clearly it wasn't a sting operation
Jan 31st 2015
151
Goodell destroyed the logs right?
Feb 01st 2015
168
The media has been wrong throughout this "scandal"
Feb 01st 2015
169
      This.
Feb 02nd 2015
172
and quietly, the NFL has admitted that
Feb 04th 2015
173
Goodell should not have a job.
Feb 04th 2015
174
LOL @ the NFL right now. And ESPN, for that matter.
Feb 18th 2015
175
WTF?
Feb 19th 2015
176
"Systematic cheating and rule-breaking." © Cereffusion
Feb 19th 2015
177
If A-Hern gets convicted the Cheatriots should be forced to vacate.
Feb 19th 2015
178
it got real quiet in here after that last development, huh?
Feb 20th 2015
179
I am genuinely confused by all of this.
Feb 20th 2015
180
^^^^^
Feb 20th 2015
182
CULTURE OF DECEIT
Feb 20th 2015
185
      The Pats or the NFL?
Feb 20th 2015
186
           He was being snarky re: another poster's go-to phrase.
Feb 20th 2015
187
                I try to get joy in the places I can.
Feb 20th 2015
188
                     yeah, I've given up hope on this
Feb 20th 2015
189
They still cheated we're just letting y'all cook.
Feb 20th 2015
181
nah, you guys are slowly realizing you were wrong.
Feb 20th 2015
184
right, it's pretty clear why no one cares about these non-developments
Feb 20th 2015
190
let's be real here, deflategate has completely fallen apart
Feb 20th 2015
191
      let's be realer here, no it hasn't
Feb 20th 2015
193
      LOL
Feb 21st 2015
197
      Don't argue with these dudes
Feb 20th 2015
194
           oh I'm not actually engaging, just enjoying the silence and excuses
Feb 21st 2015
195
                Yep. Poor things.
Feb 21st 2015
196
Goodell destroyed the footballs
Feb 20th 2015
192
Best.
Feb 20th 2015
183

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