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125. "another STRONG ARGUMENT(smuts mad) for Russ v. RG3"
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Every week this season, Neil Hornsby of ProFootballFocus.com has used PFF's play-by-play game analysis to provide an in-depth look at an important matchup or individual performance from one of the Sunday games. Last week we took a slightly different tack, examining defensive rookie of the year candidates. This week, Hornsby looks at the offensive candidates. His report (all statistics through 16 weeks):

As exciting and promising a start as Indianapolis quarterback Andrew Luck has made, this award comes down to a battle between two players who haven't just reinvigorated their teams but have done so in a way that is directly attributable to the consistent excellence of their play. Luck has won some close encounters, but some have been due to his poor play to get the Colts into that position. Luck has had some terrific fourth quarters, but his overall play has been a roller-coaster ride. To me, this award is so closely balanced between Washington quarterback Robert Griffin III and Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson. How can we split these two outstanding players? I'll attempt to by going over key factors that determine a player's and team's success.

Supporting Cast: On the offensive line, Washington has an edge. This has been an area of strength for the Redskins, with only Tyler Polumbus at right tackle providing a significant weakness for defenses to target. Left tackle Trent Williams' Pro Bowl place was well-deserved, and center Will Montgomery was unlucky to miss out.
In Russell Okung and Max Unger, the Seahawks have players performing equally well at identical positions (LT and C) but the rest of the line has been far more fluid. While the play of Alfred Morris and Marshawn Lynch means support at running back is somewhat of a wash, pass-catcher injuries to Fred Davis and Pierre Garcon left huge holes and RGIII had to compensate, finding unexpected help when needed from players like Aldrick Robinson and Logan Paulsen. The Seattle receivers have rounded into a sure-handed group; the drop rate of both Golden Tate and Sidney Rice puts them in the top 15 in the league. Edge: RGIII -- his rotating receiving options means he's had the biggest problems and puts him slightly ahead here.
Consistency: Throughout the year Griffin is the only quarterback ProFootballFocus has not graded negatively in a single game; he has been the model of stability from his very first game against the Saints. He's never thrown more than one interception in a game (and only five total) and even in his worst performance (at the Steelers) never looked completely out of whack. In contrast, Wilson started shakily but has improved almost week by week. Eight of his 10 interceptions came in the first half of the season, and his Week 16 performance was his best, clinically dissecting the 49ers defense, one of the NFL's top two. Edge: RGIII.

Offensive Tailoring: From the very first series of Week 1 against New Orleans it was obvious that the Redskins had reconstructed their entire offense to fit the skills of their new passer. Griffin managed initially easy throws interspersed with read-option runs, then deeper play-action passes as the defenses bit up on the short stuff. Credit to Griffin for making the whole thing work superbly.
But Wilson is displaying a much fuller repertoire. Wilson is throwing deep (20 yards plus) the fourth-most in the league, with Griffin the second-least, and Griffin has thrown twice as many screens as his counterpart. Wilson's passing "grid" is significantly more balanced, and he utilizes the deep ball and throws outside the numbers far more often. Edge: Wilson -- He is making every throw, even the difficult ones, with a high degree of efficiency.

Injury Concerns: We all know Griffin has missed playing time, so maybe this is a slam dunk, but that would miss the point of just how good Wilson is when it comes to scrambling without taking undue risks. There's no doubt both players are equally fearless, but when Wilson scrambles he rarely takes big hits; he's incredibly elusive and has already avoided eight tackles on 45 scrambles compared to Griffin's three on 41. As a result he's also fumbled five fewer times than RGIII. Edge: Wilson.

In summary: Very tough call. After Week 15, PFF had Griffin just ahead and in our Pro Bowl squad too. After last week, Wilson just squeaked ahead of his rival. When pushed, my choice would be Wilson because I believe he has been less a product of the system and hence more difficult to take away. Regardless, I don't think there is a wrong answer between the two.


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How can one justify giving Andrew Luck a ROY vote? [View all] , micMajestic, Sun Dec-23-12 10:58 PM
 
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Based on things you can't measure numerically like "clutch" and "white"
Dec 23rd 2012
1
lol
Dec 23rd 2012
2
^^^
Dec 23rd 2012
13
2-14 is a number.
Dec 25th 2012
85
he's been playing like an asshole since the Miami game
Dec 23rd 2012
3
There's no arguing that all three are having amazing seasons.
Dec 23rd 2012
5
Kirk Cousins getting a win kinda throws shade on RG3 tho..
Dec 23rd 2012
4
So if you feel that's a blemish then you vote for Wilson. Right?
Dec 23rd 2012
6
Right today, probably Wilson but the bottom line is all 3 are legit
Dec 24th 2012
54
keep pushing it.
Dec 23rd 2012
7
      Morris is 3rd in the league in rushing and also a rookie..
Dec 23rd 2012
10
           Morris w/ RG3 - 4.9 YPC. Morris w/ Cousins - 3.2 YPC. Just saying.
Dec 24th 2012
17
                but Morris is still a rookie and 3rd in the league in rushing..
Dec 24th 2012
53
                     dude just stop
Dec 24th 2012
61
                     This isn't even 1% true
Dec 24th 2012
70
                     smh
Dec 25th 2012
73
                     ONE GAME? he supposed to be the franchise player and we're ...
Dec 25th 2012
90
                          lol
Dec 26th 2012
110
several clutch wins. most passing yds ever for a rookie
Dec 23rd 2012
8
So you'd be comfortable taking a degree of difficulty argument over
Dec 23rd 2012
9
I think Wilson's numbers would be off the charts w/o this tho
Dec 24th 2012
20
sub 55% completions, 18 ints, 27th rated passer
Dec 23rd 2012
11
If you don't count RG3, Russell can have it.
Dec 23rd 2012
12
Playoffs
Dec 23rd 2012
15
lol
Dec 24th 2012
25
      Give RGIII that Seattle defense and we already have the division won
Dec 24th 2012
36
      Give Dangeruss that NFC Least division and we do too
Dec 24th 2012
41
      but the NFC East is better overall than the West
Dec 24th 2012
42
      NFC West is 3-1 vs the NFC Least this year
Dec 24th 2012
49
           that means nothing
Dec 24th 2012
69
                your opinion of that means nothing
Dec 25th 2012
77
                     team rankings
Dec 25th 2012
80
      Dangeruss! Awesome nickname jigga
Dec 24th 2012
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      I can't take credit for that. Can't recall where I first heard it either...
Dec 25th 2012
79
           THAT'S HIS TWITTER.
Dec 25th 2012
94
      ARI and STL are still in the NFCW right?
Dec 24th 2012
59
           77
Dec 25th 2012
78
                RG3 is the current OROY leader
Dec 25th 2012
81
      I'm glad somebody said it. Washington's D has
Dec 24th 2012
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      GET 'EM SMUTS!
Dec 24th 2012
37
      let me give you this again:
Dec 24th 2012
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           if only his best performances counted
Dec 25th 2012
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                HUH?
Dec 25th 2012
76
                     who goes by since wk x?
Dec 26th 2012
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                          lol. escalate? you gonna whip my ass? really GTFOH.
Dec 26th 2012
114
                               last chance
Dec 26th 2012
122
Whoopdeedoo.
Dec 24th 2012
16
cant wait to send the seagulls home cryin on a flight outta DC
Dec 24th 2012
38
      You wanna Snickers while you're waitin?
Jan 07th 2013
136
Cmon dude. Absolutely there is a strong argument for Russel Wilson.
Dec 24th 2012
18
God, you are an idiot
Dec 24th 2012
19
      no he's right, yall just got that propaganda the NFL fed you...
Dec 24th 2012
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           you're an even bigger idiot
Dec 24th 2012
43
                hey hey lol, fuck you buddy
Dec 24th 2012
45
                     I already entertained it with a rational discussion
Dec 24th 2012
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                          it's my belief that Irsay, as owner, is powerful enuf to impact all thos...
Dec 24th 2012
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                               the roster was inherently flawed
Dec 24th 2012
50
yea but hes a redskin
Dec 24th 2012
23
that's basically the only argument against RG3
Dec 24th 2012
27
This post is bleeding Burgundy and Yellow
Dec 24th 2012
30
this post bleeds Alex Smith or whatever you're on about.
Dec 24th 2012
32
      the vagina of one close to you (if not you) bleeds from Alex Smith
Dec 24th 2012
35
           you said "Yards=fantasy football points."
Dec 24th 2012
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                There's no need
Dec 24th 2012
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                     http://tinyurl.com/ckkzwr2
Dec 25th 2012
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                     you made an exceptionally stupid comment
Dec 25th 2012
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                          no you just got butthurt and tried to take it out of context
Dec 25th 2012
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RG3 is also tied with Alex Smith in passer rating
Dec 24th 2012
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      Alex Smith is basically a walking example
Dec 25th 2012
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           it's only meant to be a measure of passing efficiency
Dec 26th 2012
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his INT rate is average
Dec 24th 2012
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      GW drives is a mixed stat
Dec 24th 2012
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           Like this?
Dec 24th 2012
33
           none of that had anything to do with my point.
Dec 24th 2012
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           people asked how it was possible, i made a case
Dec 26th 2012
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                Here is why I don't like the "game winning drive" argument for any QB
Jan 02nd 2013
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wait, I'll make my argument soon *finishes putting on whiteface makeup*
Dec 23rd 2012
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i don't think either of them is a bad choice.
Dec 24th 2012
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I'd vote for RG3 though I said Luck would be better ultimately
Dec 24th 2012
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^^^^Coming in here trying to be all rational and shit.
Dec 24th 2012
26
aka, why Adrian Peterson won't win MVP either
Dec 24th 2012
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i dunno, he might, what interests me more than MVP is CPOY
Dec 24th 2012
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Having seen RG3 play well in the pocket all year why do you
Dec 24th 2012
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      mainly sticking to my guns, lol, but i mean ...
Dec 24th 2012
52
Russ vs Luck common opponents
Dec 24th 2012
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Luck has done a lot with that team....
Dec 24th 2012
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On The Flipside
Dec 24th 2012
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ppl will give him votes just to not look stupid over preseason
Dec 24th 2012
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RE: How can one justify giving Andrew Luck a ROY vote?
Dec 24th 2012
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Because ALL HE DO IS WIN
Dec 24th 2012
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a) No Marshawn Lynch b) Throws more than screens
Dec 24th 2012
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Neither of Them Have a Reggie Wayne though
Dec 24th 2012
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I dunno why this is so hard to understand...
Dec 24th 2012
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      yea you can look at his attempts and tell that he is throwing for wins
Dec 24th 2012
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      yeah Luck is just as much in the convo as any of the rest of them
Dec 24th 2012
67
people here are confusing achievements and being OROY
Dec 25th 2012
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wilson is finishing strong, that helps, but then again he is in seattle
Dec 25th 2012
87
RE: people here are confusing achievements and being OROY
Dec 25th 2012
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A playoff appearance by the actual #1 drafting team. 2-14.
Dec 25th 2012
86
1st #1 pick QB to lead his team to the playoffs...
Dec 25th 2012
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if it were the NBA, his usage rate would be sky high lol
Dec 25th 2012
91
right...
Dec 25th 2012
92
this terrible team argument.....
Dec 25th 2012
93
any way you cut it, he deserves a ton of credit IMO
Dec 25th 2012
95
the 2011 team lost about six starters from 2010
Dec 25th 2012
99
honorable mention for best comedy in this post
Dec 25th 2012
96
      You want it one way but it's the other way.
Dec 25th 2012
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           the team is good bc of RG3
Dec 25th 2012
98
                I see, so Morris is a non factor.. got it..
Dec 25th 2012
100
                     dumb and pointless.
Dec 25th 2012
101
Gotta admit, the pro-Luck arguments in here are awful
Dec 25th 2012
103
Let's suppose all three teams end up making the playoffs.
Dec 26th 2012
104
you should report this to your local sports talk station
Dec 26th 2012
105
Come On Man
Dec 26th 2012
111
You think I made this post to "complain to OKP"?
Dec 26th 2012
112
      I don't think you should bring up Reggie Wayne if you want
Dec 26th 2012
116
no one is really arguing for Luck winning the award though
Dec 26th 2012
108
Luck is going to win it and its unfortunate.
Dec 26th 2012
107
eh, there have been greater travesties
Dec 26th 2012
117
i think RGIII is the ROY, but give Morris some credit folks
Dec 26th 2012
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why should they give Morris some credit tho?
Dec 26th 2012
113
give RG3 some credit too for Morris.
Dec 26th 2012
119
RGIII is now a Pro Bowl QB...
Dec 26th 2012
120
Simple... Consensus #1 pick for 2 years running lives up to hype
Dec 26th 2012
121
if RG3 wins today, he's the ROY imo
Dec 30th 2012
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RE: How can one justify giving Andrew Luck a ROY vote?
Dec 30th 2012
123
lol @ Peter King
Jan 02nd 2013
132
      come on now, King ain't shit
Jan 02nd 2013
133
           I care about RG3 and wins
Jan 02nd 2013
134
                I'm glad your eyes are on the prize
Jan 02nd 2013
135
Honestly, as much as I ride for RGIII
Jan 02nd 2013
127
I think the choice between Griffin & Wilson is difficult
Jan 02nd 2013
129
Alfred Morris sucks btw....
Jan 02nd 2013
128
You're going to have to hold on to this agenda for multiple years
Jan 02nd 2013
130
1st off, it's not an agenda..
Jan 07th 2013
140
      According to RG3malia, Morris was only good b/c of RG3
Jan 07th 2013
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           I'm sayin... I don't understand how that's not a two way street
Jan 07th 2013
144
keep trying.
Jan 02nd 2013
131
Hey where was Alfred & Kirk last night?
Jan 07th 2013
139
      Alfred had a great game; Kirk was on the bench, healthy
Jan 07th 2013
141
      Morris avg 5ypc & made key contribution on BOTH those TD drives
Jan 07th 2013
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           Never said that.
Jan 07th 2013
145
                my only real point was that you can't ignore the contribution
Jan 07th 2013
147
Got my vote.
Jan 07th 2013
137
Won't get my ROY vote, will get my 'Franchise QB From Here Out' vote tho
Jan 07th 2013
138
I can get with this...Russell 3X #2
Jan 07th 2013
146

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