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‘The Idol’: How HBO’s Next ‘Euphoria’ Became Twisted ‘Torture Porn’

Thirteen sources tell Rolling Stone that The Idol — Sam Levinson’s new show with The Weeknd and Lily-Rose Depp — has gone wildly, disgustingly off the rails


MARCH 1, 2023

LILY-ROSE DEPP AS a glamorous, troubled pop star. The Weeknd as a slimy, modern cult leader. Supporting roles for Blackpink’s Jennie, Troye Sivan, and a handful of other buzzy stars. And in-demand director Sam Levinson at the helm. For months, the hype machine has been at full tilt for HBO’s upcoming series The Idol, which is being billed as a darker, crazier, and more risqué version of Levinson’s smash-hit Euphoria.

Levinson and Abel “The Weeknd” Tesfaye are the “sick and twisted minds” behind the “sleaziest love story in all of Hollywood” (HBO’s words) that follows pop superstar Jocelyn (Depp) as she navigates the seedy underbelly of the music industry and falls under the spell of Tedros (Tesfaye), a mysterious owner of a popular L.A. nightclub who secretly runs a cult reminiscent of NXIVM and Scientology.

Though the show was ordered to series in November 2021, it’s been months since HBO gave a concrete update about when The Idol will debut. One source with knowledge of the production schedule tells Rolling Stone the network initially hoped for The Idol to premiere last fall, taking over the Sunday time slot left open by House of the Dragon, which ended in October. Yet three teaser trailers have come and gone, and HBO can still only offer a vague “later this year.” (A rep for the network declined to comment on when the show will air.)

Now, production sources tell Rolling Stone that even they are in the dark on when the show will make it to air, and have little idea about what the final version will look like, claiming the production was plagued by delays, reshoots, and rewrites. “It was, let’s just say, a shitshow,” one says.

The first public inkling of trouble came last April, when director Amy Seimetz, of The Girlfriend Experience and She Dies Tomorrow, suddenly exited with roughly 80 percent of the six-episode series finished. HBO addressed the news by confirming The Idol was set to have a major creative overhaul and would be adjusting the cast and crew. There was little explanation for the shakeup, except for reports that Tesfaye, who is co-creator, felt the show was heading too much into a “female perspective.”

In interviews with 13 members of the show’s cast and crew, Rolling Stone has learned the drastic delay was caused by Levinson taking over as director and scrapping the nearly-finished $54-75 million project to rewrite and reshoot the entire thing.

With Seimetz out of the picture, HBO handed the reins to Levinson, only to have him weaken the show’s overarching message, many sources say, by dialing up the disturbing sexual content and nudity to match — and even surpass — that of his most successful show, Euphoria.

“What I signed up for was a dark satire of fame and the fame model in the 21st century,” one production member explains. “The things that we subject our talent and stars to, the forces that put people in the spotlight and how that can be manipulated in the post-Trump world.” However, they add, “It went from satire to the thing it was satirizing.”

Four sources say that Levinson ultimately scrapped Seimetz’s approach to the story, making it less about a troubled starlet falling victim to a predatory industry figure and fighting to reclaim her own agency, and more of a degrading love story with a hollow message that some crew members describe as being offensive.

“It was like any rape fantasy that any toxic man would have in the show — and then the woman comes back for more because it makes her music better,” one production member explains of Levinson’s version.

Levinson and Tesfaye did not respond to requests for comment, however after this story published, Tesfaye posted a clip from The Idol, writing, “Rolling Stone did we upset you?”

In a statement provided to Rolling Stone, Depp called Levinson “the best director” she’s ever worked with, saying she has never “felt more supported or respected in a creative space, my input and opinions more valued.”

HBO called The Idol one of the network’s “most exciting and provocative original programs,” in a statement to Rolling Stone, adding “the creative team has been committed to creating a safe, collaborative, and mutually respectful working environment, and last year, the team made creative changes they felt were in the best interest of both the production and the cast and crew.”

The Idol was dreamed up by Tesfaye, his producing partner Reza Fahim, and Levinson, going into development in June 2021 with HBO ordering it to series that November. All three are credited as writers, along with writer Joe Epstein and Succession’s Mary Laws. Seimetz, whose indie, psychological-thriller style seemed a good fit for the show’s dark and sinister themes, was announced that month as director.

But three crew members allege Seimetz seemed set up to fail from the start. When she arrived on set seven weeks before the show started filming, she was given half-finished scripts, a first-time showrunner in Epstein, a tight schedule, and near-impossible expectations from HBO, those sources say. “Amy was doing her best in an impossible situation, but she was going to lose this no matter what,” one production member says. “Honestly, I think HBO handed her a shit stack.” (Seimetz declined to comment.)

Two sources familiar with the show’s finances say HBO had wanted to keep costs low with a series budget around $54 million, or roughly $9 million an episode for the six-episode series. (That’s about half the budget of Euphoria’s upcoming third season, which is expected to cost at least $110 million. The teen drama’s second season, which had eight episodes, cost more than $97 million, and its first season’s budget was over $47 million, according to California film and TV tax credit records.) Despite the constrained allowance, the network allegedly expected Seimetz to deliver Euphoria-esque results, complete with music videos and using expensive mansions, nightclubs, and stadiums as sets.

The timeline was also tight, production sources claim. Filming began in late 2021 and went into hiatus the following April. (Euphoria Season Two reportedly took roughly seven months to film, and House of the Dragon production took 10 months.) Seimetz had a hard out because she was booked for an acting role on Netflix’s DC show Sweet Tooth. Another director was reportedly expected to step in to take over shooting the finale and Seimetz would handle post-production from her shoot in New Zealand. Tesfaye’s availability was also limited, since he was preparing to embark on a worldwide tour in early July.

Amy Seimetz directs Donald Glover on the set of ‘Atlanta’ in 2018. FX
In addition, Levinson was largely absent from The Idol’s set early on, his time instead devoted to wrapping up Euphoria’s second season, which was being filmed on the lot next door. (One of the first times two crew members recall seeing Levinson physically on the Idol set was a few weeks into production, which was also the day Depp was filming her first intimate scene with Tesfaye.)

Another stressor, sources say, was that while Seimetz was entrusted by HBO to supposedly put her stamp on the show, Levinson had an entirely different vision of what The Idol should be.

“I went into The Idol thinking that this might be an interesting collaboration, but I left it pretty convinced that (Levinson) is not quite collaborative,” one source says. “It’s really frustrating seeing Amy doing her damn best to turn around some kind of product that she can be somewhat proud of to HBO… and then (for HBO) to turn around and have Sam get essentially a blank check to turn it into ‘Euphoria Season Three with pop stars’ is extremely, extremely frustrating.”

Of those who worked on the production’s first iteration, many say they were fans of the original script, describing it as a layered narrative that was driving home a message about the trappings and exploitations of fame. One crew member describes having their choice of several other prominent opportunities and signing on for The Idol purely because they were impressed with the story. “It was gripping. I couldn’t put it down,” another says.

As promising as those initial scripts were, the scripts for the final episodes were still only half-finished and the finale completely unwritten. Seimetz was encouraged by HBO and producers to put her own spin on the show and write the last episode, a source explains. As a result, Seimetz was polishing up scripts and writing while directing. She also had her assistant, who had no previous credited writing experience, writing scenes, with HBO making the assistant a staff writer last January. (The assistant did not respond to a request for comment.)

Organization quickly evaporated, mainly due to changes in the script, sources say. One production member says the first version of the show went through more than 20 rewrites, saying scripts were being updated constantly: “We did it every fucking day. It was insane.”

“It did start drastically changing,” another production member confirms. “It was kind of a joke how many revisions there were — whether it was changing somebody’s name or whether it was something more intensive, like completely changing the scene and taking away a story.”

Sam Levinson with his father, director Barry Levinson. GETTY
Eventually, the crew say they stopped getting one-liners, an industry term for daily schedules of what was being shot. And the few one-liners that were given out quickly became useless due to changes, sources say. Decisions were being made on the fly, frustrating several crew members who say they felt they could never properly prepare for the next day of work. “I’d be driving home (at the end of the day) and they’d be like, ‘Oh, we’re adding a scene, but it hasn’t been written yet,’” one says.

Still, HBO executives and Tesfaye were supposedly pleased with Seimetz’s early cuts and the show’s direction, according to a personal familiar with the matter. However, when the show went on a break in April before the finale episode was to be filmed things drastically changed. Seimetz was out and Levinson was stepping in.

A report from April blamed the show’s overhaul on Tesfaye, who was reportedly unhappy that the story was focusing too much on Depp’s character, according to Deadline. A source with knowledge seconds that Tesfaye was the reason behind the shakeup, wanting to tone down the cult aspect of the storyline and pivot into something else entirely, dropping the “feminist lens” through which the show was being told as a result. “It was like the Weeknd wanted one show that was all about him — Sam was on board with that,” another source explains to Rolling Stone.

However, two crew members claim Tesfaye’s schedule made it difficult for him to be the show’s primary focus. One crew member explains, “It was really frustrating because they were working so hard to make it possible to shoot and be released with his concert or whatever his timeline was (and) it all got thrown out the window.”

In April, the show went into hiatus, and sources believed the break was to regroup and work out the finale. However, cast and crew members say they were blindsided when they learned from news articles that the show was being overhauled and Seimetz was leaving.

“I’m really heartbroken that Amy wasn’t there to see it through,” one cast member says. “She put her neck on the line for this project… She really tried to make it work and fit a square peg into a round hole, (only) for all of that work to be eradicated and overwritten by Sam Levinson.”

When production of The Idol resumed in May 2022, a majority of crew members from the first shoot did not return, according to five production sources. “I’m not sure I would have taken it if I had (been asked to return),” one production source says. “It was just really tough, very scarring.” The cast was also gutted, blindsiding some of the little-known actors who thought they had landed their big break and now were wiped from the show. However, talent with noteworthy names remained, including singer-songwriter Troye Sivan and Suzanna Son (Red Rocket).

Lily-Rose Depp and Abel “The Weeknd” Tesfaye in ‘The Idol.’ HBO
Levinson then upped the cast’s star power even more throughout filming, with the additions of Bodies Bodies Bodies breakout Rachel Sennott, Dan Levy, Hank Azaria, Moses Sumney, and megaproducer Mike Dean. Casting K-pop superstar Jennie of Blackpink was the biggest get for Levinson. Under the show’s hashtag and teaser trailers, her stans steamrolled comment sections to cheer on the singer in her first acting role. But crew members claim Jennie has barely any air time and an inconsequential story arc. “It was like three or four lines per episode for her,” a production source says. “They didn’t let her talk that much. Her job was to sit there (and) look pretty, basically.”

Crewmembers who stuck around for the revamped show say the working environment was no better than the first shoot, and no one from HBO was stepping in to make sure the production was kept on track, two sources claim. What was supposed to be a three-month shoot from May to July ended up stretching into September — despite the cast and crew celebrating at a wrap party in July. Come October, even more filming took place.

“I was so drained by the end of it,” one crew member says. “I was like, ‘I can’t have a job make me cry every day because I have two hours to sleep, and I’m being pulled 100 directions because nobody knows what they’re doing, or nobody knows what they want because we don’t know what we’re filming.”

Once again, sources point to constant changes to the script being the show’s most pressing issue. Levinson — who was coming off a hectic Euphoria production (which had its own issues throughout the season) — continued his frenzied pace over at The Idol. “There was always this sense of chaos because (we) never had a plan on what was going to happen today, or tomorrow, or the next scene,” one crew member explains.

There were also divisions among Levinson’s inner circle, the few crew members that remained from Seimetz’s shoot, and higher-ups at HBO, two sources say. One production member described feeling like a child of divorce, trying to tiptoe around the opposing parties.

Levinson allegedly stopped sending scripts to HBO and certain department heads, according to two people familiar with the matter. “I got the vibe that the mood on set was, ‘What’s HBO gonna do, pull the plug? Yeah, right. If they want a third season of Euphoria, they’ll give me what I want… We’re just gonna shoot what we want and if (HBO execs) have a problem with it, that’s their problem,’” they explain.

A major concern among the crew, according to four production sources, was Levinson chipping away at the show’s original messaging, creating a distorted and jarring story that lost its overall impact. (Although Tesfaye is credited as co-creator and a writer, three crew members with knowledge of the situation claim he barely touched a script during the reshoots.) “It was a show about a woman who was finding herself sexually, turned into a show about a man who gets to abuse this woman and she loves it.”

At various points, Levinson’s scripts contained disturbing sexual and physically violent scenes between Depp and Tesfaye’s characters, three sources familiar with the matter claim. In one draft episode, there allegedly was a scene where Tesfaye bashes in Depp’s face, and her character smiles and asks to be beaten more, giving Tesfaye an erection. (This scene was never shot, the source says.) Another proposed scenario was for Depp to carry an egg in her vagina and if she dropped or cracked the egg, Tesfaye’s character would refuse to “rape” her — which sent Depp’s character into a spiral, begging him to “rape” her because she believed he was the key to her success. (This scene also was not filmed because production couldn’t find a way to realistically shoot the scene without having Depp physically insert the egg, another source explains.)

“It was like, ‘What is this? What am I reading here?’” one of the sources says. “It was like sexual torture porn.”

Two crew members say it’s unclear what will actually wind up in the show, as scripts were being changed daily and scenes were constantly being shot and reshot. Many say they are unsure where the show is headed and what will be used in the final cut.

Although Seimetz’s version of The Idol was also going to contain sex scenes and nudity, production sources claim Levinson dramatically ramped up the explicit content — a move that is quickly becoming his calling card. During both seasons of Euphoria, Levinson faced criticism for employing often gratuitous nudity in a show about teenagers. Actresses on that series, including Sydney Sweeney and Minka Kelly, have lightly danced around the subject in interviews, but admitted they pushed back on some of Levinson’s requests for even more nude scenes. “There are moments where Cassie was supposed to be shirtless and I would tell Sam, ‘I don’t really think that’s necessary here.’ He was like, ‘OK, we don’t need it,’” Sweeney told The Independent.

“It’s almost such an extreme that it’s like, there is no message,” one Idol crew member says. “There is no point. They’re just trying to see how much of a reaction they can get.”

During Seimetz’s production, it was whispered around the set that the $54 million budget cap had ballooned to $75 million, according to production sources. Considering the elite craft services setup — with kombucha and cold brew on tap — the caliber of talent, and constant delays due to day-of changes, the amount doesn’t seem to be that much of a stretch. (It’s unclear what the budget was for The Idol’s second production.)

But to see an entire $54-75 million first production scrapped for the remaking of the same show, now with an untold budget and endless resources at hand, struck some production members as wasteful. One crew member, noting their decades-long experience in Hollywood, says while there is plenty of excess spending in the entertainment industry, throwing away Seimetz’s version of The Idol to redo the same show was probably “the most egregious I’ve ever witnessed in this business.”

The decision is especially surprising in light of HBO’s parent company, Warner Bros. Discovery, slashing hundreds of jobs last year with plans to cut $4 billion in costs across the board. (Last summer, HBO and HBO Max had a restructuring and 70 people were laid off. Most shocking was the decision to can the completed $78 million Batgirl DC film that was supposed to stream exclusively on HBO Max.)

There did seem to be some effort to conserve costs during the second Idol shoot, with Tesfaye opening his personal home — a sprawling, $70 million Bel-Air mansion — for the show to make use of. Sources speculate that it likely helped compensate for the cost of renting actress Alyson Hannigan’s former Encino pad, which had previously served as the headquarters of the cult Tesfaye’s character ran.

Tesfaye also took advantage of his After Hours Til Dawn Tour show in L.A. to film a scene at Sofi Stadium in September, using the thousands of fans in attendance as free extras. Depp appeared in character onstage in a gauzy white dress to deliver a monologue about a difficult past year. “Tonight is incredibly special because I have the opportunity to introduce you to the love of my life — the man who pulled me through the darkest hours and into the light,” Depp’s character said to the confused crowd before inviting “Tedros” (Tesfaye’s character) onstage.

However, production sources claim the second iteration faced the same issues that plagued Seimetz’s set due to ongoing script rewrites. “There was no leash on this second incarnation,” a production member says. “The people who are fronting the cash and HBO, they’re not putting (Levinson) on a leash, knowing that you already have a (multimillion-dollar) bill, supposedly, that you can’t do anything with.”

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The production has left many wary of working again with Levinson, who they say is developing a track record of creating chaotic sets. “I would never work for him ever again,” one production source says. “I don’t think I’ll watch Euphoria again after working for him and knowing how he treats his crew.”

“This was such a strong example of just how far (Levinson) can really push HBO and they will continue to cover (him) because he brings in money,” a second says. “He’s able to walk away unscathed and everybody still wants to work with him… People ignore the red flags and follow him regardless.”


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sounds lit
Mar 05th 2023
I didn't read the article but I think Weeknd calls out Rolling Stone
Mar 06th 2023
I'm washed, but I think this is doing too much
Mar 09th 2023
The Weeknd responds to RS article on 'The Idol" - RS swipe
May 16th 2023
Man they lied about this show this why you can’t trust reviewers
Jun 05th 2023
Didn’t they watch 2-3 episodes?
Jun 05th 2023
if it was gonna be that wild it would've been that wild from ep 1
Jun 11th 2023
You've seen one episode. They've seen 3-4
Jun 06th 2023
song/scene at the end of this ep was flames
Jun 12th 2023
This was not good
Jul 07th 2023
Welp. Cancelled.
Aug 28th 2023
Rolling Stone article on cancellation of "The Idol"
Aug 29th 2023

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