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15. "I thought it was cool. Spoilers."
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Wed Jan-14-09 03:29 AM by ZooTown74

  

          

First off, let's get this out the way: this is not a "hip hop" film. It's not about the history of hip hop, or "being true to hip hop," or nailing the cadence of Big's flow, or a searing indictment of Puff's materialism in the late 90's. That's not what the movie is meant to be.

Nor is there any new pertinent information about Big's murder, or who did it.

I mentioned this in The Lesson, and I'm going to mention it here: there will be some on this site, and some in the "hip hop community," who will be upset with this film, simply because it's not raw, uncut documentary footage of Big, Puff, Kim, and company from way back then. That's too bad.

I thought it was good. Tended to go from episode to episode in Big's life, but that's okay. I thought Jamal "Gravy" Woolard was damn good as Big. And yeah, "but he didn't get Biggie's cadence down" or his voice wasn't as deep as Big's when he rapped, but that was beside the point. Because the essence of the Big that's here is the charismatic Big, the one who charms everyone around him, from Jan to Voletta to Kim to Faith. The best parts of the film are when we see Big's charisma, whether he's acting cool and calm when Jan tells him she's pregnant, whether he's talking shit to Kim and later encouraging her to rap, or whether he's spittin' game at Faith... I mean, you just GOT it, and I think that was the point...

As to the question of why there was no focus on Charli Baltimore, or why we didn't see The Lox (or Ma$e DAMMIT!), the focus of the story here is Big and, specifically, the women that Big deals with the most... the ones who appeared to have the most influence and effect on him... during a Q & A afterward, director George Tillman and co-writer Reggie Rock Bythewood talked about whether or not to include Charli Baltimore, and whether including her was really important, and they decided not to include her, because you got the point with Big's other random indiscretions (including one that will most likely get loud applause and cheers from the sistas in the audience)... the point of the film wasn't necessarily to include each and every person in Big's life, or include each and every song that Big performed...

Now, the main problem I had with the movie was that the script is very on-the-nose. Reggie Rock Bythewood talked about having misgivings about doing the rewrites on the script when it was offered, because he felt that Big was "an unlikeable guy." So he found a through line and decided to tell the story of Big becoming a man. Which led to obvious moments where he would say something to the effect of, "hey, I'm just trying to be a man," or "yo, I'm a man now." Er. Also, during the Q & A, Derek Luke said he spent some time hanging with Puff, and said that Puff is still distraught over losing Big, and that Puff also felt that had the media not continuously thrown gas on the East Coast-West Coast flames back then, that both Big and Pac would still be with us. I mention that because I personally would have liked to have seen the film go at the media a little more for its role in the beef and the ensuing deaths.

And of course, since Puff was involved with the project, and Voletta Wallace is one of the film's producers, you'd think that they wouldn't be portrayed in any kind of negative light... and you'd be correct. It appears that the only people in the world of this movie who had flaws were Big and Kim. Faith was almost saintly and righteous in her quest to make Big a faithful man. And as mentioned, Kim was young, dumb, and in love with a man who told her that "I got you," and when he broke that promise she acted out, including one cringe-inducing scene where she's onstage performing her verse of Get Money and glaring angrily at an offstage Big every so often.

Moving on, let's talk about the other performances. I thought that, given the limitations of the script, both Angela Bassett and Antonique Smith were okay as Voletta Wallace and Faith, respectively. Antonique is such a dead ringer for Faith that I kept forgetting that she was an actress playing Faith. I thought that Derek Luke, even though he has no facial resemblance to Puff, did a fantastic job co-opting Puff's demeanor, his attitude, and, most hilariously, his dance moves. I have to say that as much as I usually dig him, Anthony Mackie was not convincing as Tupac -- or, at least he wasn't convincing to my lady friends whom I saw the film with, as evidenced by the audible sighs and visible eye rolling that was going on.

I also really liked Naturi Naughton's performance as Lil Kim. She nailed Kim's rap cadence (even though I just mocked everyone's complaints about Gravy's accuracy), got nekkid a couple three times... *thumbs up* (sorry ladies, but I gotta look out for my PTP fellas here), and did a nice job -- again, given the limitations of the script -- showing a young girl who fell in love with a charismatic cat and suffered the consequences. I thought she did her thing.

It looked like the film was shot with HD cameras, but I'm not sure, as a lot of the film had that grainy look to it. Wasn't too excited about it, to be honest.

So. Should you see this on the screen, or should you download/cop the bootleg? I will say that if you're looking for a gritty rap tale of how one fat dude became one of the best rappers ever (in many people's opinion), then I'd say stay at home. But if you're looking for a somewhat entertaining flick about the rise and fall of one of rap's most charismatic figures, then run out and see it (which you should probably do anyway... I mean, for all the talk of Tyler Perry-this and Wayans Brothers-that, there shole are a lot of bootleggin' and downloadin'-assed motherfuckers -- mainly in GD -- who STILL won't put their money where their mouths are when it comes to work by other black filmmakers)...
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NO NO NO NOTORIOUS brief review (spoiler) [View all] , PIMPINCHICAGO, Tue Jan-13-09 04:50 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
i don't usually say this but i'll catch it on bootleg
Jan 13th 2009
1
that is a good way of putting it.
Jan 13th 2009
2
Documentaries are boring and make no doe, at all.
Jan 22nd 2009
76
      look under here
Jan 22nd 2009
      ok...
Jan 22nd 2009
79
           Stop catching feelings, dunny.
Feb 09th 2009
85
                I always agree to disagree lol...
Feb 09th 2009
86
RE: i don't usually say this but i'll catch it on bootleg
Jan 18th 2009
50
RE: i don't usually say this but i'll catch it on bootleg
Jan 18th 2009
53
RE: NO NO NO NOTORIOUS brief review (spoiler)
Jan 13th 2009
3
When is it coming on HBO???
Jan 13th 2009
4
      seis meses....
Jan 13th 2009
6
      That's when I'll catch it
Jan 13th 2009
7
      L for you
Jan 16th 2009
29
      Just caught it on either Showtime or Cinemax the other night
Dec 10th 2009
89
oh and...
Jan 13th 2009
5
Spoil this please
Jan 14th 2009
20
      Scene SPOILER
Jan 14th 2009
21
LOL. Just seen it. It was excellent.
Jan 13th 2009
8
lol...agree to disagree
Jan 13th 2009
9
People already decided they are going to hate it.
Jan 13th 2009
10
lol @ GRODT being excellent
Jan 13th 2009
11
^Exhibit A
Jan 13th 2009
12
      im gonna cosign
Jan 13th 2009
13
           EXACT-AMUNDO
Jan 14th 2009
14
                what's funny about GRODT is that any non-rap fan who's seen it loved it
Jan 16th 2009
32
LMAO, how is any film where somebody plays themselves, excellent??
Jan 16th 2009
31
      Woody Allen plays himself in most of his movies, moving on......
Jan 16th 2009
33
           Lol, does Woody Allen play himself in a movie about his own life?
Jan 17th 2009
40
                LOL. No, you just got ethered. STFU.
Jan 17th 2009
41
                in about twenty variations with different names, yes
Jan 20th 2009
70
i agree. the film was a very decent/good movie.
Jan 14th 2009
16
naughton nakey? I'm sold
Jan 14th 2009
17
RE: I thought it was cool. Spoilers.
Jan 14th 2009
18
No problem, didn't take it personal at all nm
Jan 14th 2009
19
Nice review Zoo
Jan 14th 2009
22
      Thanks, and in a way, I kinda agree with him
Jan 14th 2009
23
           Back in the day a little beef here & there was cool to me.
Jan 14th 2009
24
53% on Rotten Tomatoes = BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jan 15th 2009
25
Metacritic average of 61, with only 6 reviews in as of 1/14 (link)
Jan 15th 2009
26
My guess is that the reviews will get better and better....
Jan 15th 2009
27
roger ebert liked it...
Jan 15th 2009
28
agreed. it's a good movie that folk who aren't into rap could get.
Jan 16th 2009
30
Saw it today, much better than I expected ...
Jan 16th 2009
34
Clips that will now be revisited after watching the film ...
Jan 16th 2009
35
he help you with yo' skiiiiiiiills
Jan 21st 2009
71
      yeah that was funny. i miss joe claire
Jan 25th 2009
80
i'm really proud of gravy
Jan 17th 2009
36
Lil' Kim ain't a whore?
Jan 17th 2009
37
i don't know to be honest
Jan 17th 2009
38
      By all accounts, that was the nature of their relationship
Jan 18th 2009
42
RE: don't like how cease was a 12 year old boy
Jan 18th 2009
45
Eberts 3.5 star rating is enough to open the door
Jan 17th 2009
39
A LOT better than expected
Jan 18th 2009
43
A LOT better than expected...co-sign...
Jan 18th 2009
44
      I Enjoyed It
Jan 18th 2009
46
joint was pretty good, imo...
Jan 18th 2009
47
RE: joint was pretty good, imo...
Jan 26th 2009
82
the movie was good yo.
Jan 18th 2009
48
RE: the movie was good yo.
Jan 18th 2009
49
      i didn't know that! wonderful. did you see his daughter's vlog??
Jan 18th 2009
51
           that was nice...n/m
Jan 19th 2009
63
RE: NO NO NO NOTORIOUS brief review (spoiler)
Jan 18th 2009
52
I totally enjoyed this movie
Jan 18th 2009
54
CRAIG MACK!!!!
Jan 18th 2009
55
i guess i was the only 1 bothered that young chris was left handed,
Jan 18th 2009
56
NOPE, you're not alone ... I was
Jan 19th 2009
60
yessir
Jan 21st 2009
72
In interviews Jamal has alluded to the idea that Big used both hands
Jan 21st 2009
74
What I didn't get....(spoiler)
Jan 18th 2009
57
Was he trying to appease them?
Jan 18th 2009
58
well, they went from booing him to dancing and cheering
Jan 19th 2009
62
      Oh, right. I dunno, maybe that could be read as him feeding
Jan 19th 2009
65
RE: What I didn't get....(spoiler)
Jan 18th 2009
59
that's Sacramento for ya.
Dec 11th 2009
91
I thought it was pretty bad...
Jan 19th 2009
61
RE: I thought it was pretty bad...
Jan 19th 2009
66
      Definitley see your point...
Jan 19th 2009
68
Go see this Movie
Jan 19th 2009
64
I enjoy it. Well shot and edited.
Jan 19th 2009
67
I'll add more, but for now I'll just say this......
Jan 19th 2009
69
barack obama connection
Jan 21st 2009
73
Enjoyable...and mostly good casting.
Jan 22nd 2009
75
it was
Jan 22nd 2009
77
      I suppose I shoulda known that.
Jan 22nd 2009
78
RE: I liked it, but I would not go to see it again.
Jan 26th 2009
81
RE: Solid well acted film
Feb 04th 2009
83
Naturi Naughton (n/m)
Feb 09th 2009
84
Wackest movie ever.
Feb 10th 2009
87
way better than i expected. but my expectations was MAD low. puff
May 25th 2009
88
I feel guilty because I assumed it was gonna be garbage but
Dec 11th 2009
90

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