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50. "RE: Seriously though, if Spielberg isn't the GOAT then who is?"
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>1) His films don't entertain like Spielberg's. Snobs will
>wince but it's true. And entertaining matters. Bare in mind
>Kubrick is my #1 but I can clearly see why no one else in my
>circle of friends has stolen my Kubrick DVD collection yet.

While I like some not all Kubrick, he's entertaining in a different sense. Some people find Persona pleasing for aesthetic or intellectual reasons. Take The Wire. It's unflinching, it's not dominantly titillative action and is entertaining.

>2) Output. While Kubrick's legendary perfectionism is
>well-appreciated, we could have done with more than one film a
>decade. I think he could have afforded to do that and still
>control every aspect just how he wanted.

I don't know what Kubrick's circumstances were and why he wasn't banging out movies left and right.

Small output can be due to not finding $ to make a movie. Critically acclaimed/big name/major directors have struggled and still will unfortunately.

I'd guess many like to get things right before making a movie, don't work if they're not inspired, or just plain work slow.

Admittedly some directors make it hard for themselves to get a movie made whether it's their personality, grudges, and lack of business sense. Some just plain look to alternative avenues of finance and production.

A director w/ more bouts of creative block isn't automatically a lesser director than one who has less bouts of such or none.

Yang, Erice, Davies, Kubrick, etc. aren't lesser directors b/c they haven't made many feature-lengths.

>Anyways back to Spielberg, I honestly want to know if he can
>be challenged for the crown. Can anyone convincingly claim
>that another director has surpassed Mr. Spielberg all-time?
>We're talking acclaim

Acclaim (in terms of # and degree) is largely dependent on whether or not the director's work is screened a lot and in many places which is mostly dependent on ownership, access to the film, $, distribution, and marketing. Not all critics and reviewers spend their time at film archives or festivals.

>cinematic accomplishments (artistic AND
>technical... think about the groundbreaking pyrotechnical work
>on Jaws, the CGI in E.T. and Jurassic Park, or even the
>researched authenticity of the Indiana Jones films)

Cinematic accomplishments, if the term is what I think you mean, should matter much more than acclaim and box-office. However, it shouldn't matter if it's groundbreaking or on the vanguard of emerging technologies.

>box-office (three time Highest-Grossing-Movie-Ever title
>holder: Jaws, E.T., that dinosaur flick)

I disagree w/ this the most. Box-office figures are dependent partly on distribution and marketing $. However, we shouldn't discount the moviegoers' role (a huge one) in this.

Most importantly, large box-office figures are skewed by more theatre screens today than the 80s, 70s, etc.

Don't overlook the size of film industries, too. Pictures backed by the major studios have a ridiculous advantage in getting seen. Hell, foreign countries don't give their own films a chance. American films rule the screens in South Korea today, for example.


To to go by your parameters is honestly hard for me b/c 2 of 'em don't matter to me.

On the other hand, to go by your criteria, off the top, I'd bring up Chaplin and Keaton especially b/c of the box-office/popular element. They were prolific, highly acclaimed, highly accomplished, and extremely popular.

It's important to note that you're excluding lots of masters of cinema b/c of your criteria.

  

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Seriously though, if Spielberg isn't the GOAT then who is? [View all] , Majhik101, Wed Feb-06-08 09:46 AM
 
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well... Hitchcock made a ridiculous number of classics
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Hitch is top 5... but I'm only in my 20s
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      ha, Hitchcock has some stinkers
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      Yeah Topaz was unbelievably bad. i thought i had the wrong flick
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           RE: Yeah Topaz was unbelievably bad. i thought i had the wrong flick
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                On the Waterfront IS a masterpiece.
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      so this post is about nostalgia and familiarity.
Feb 06th 2008
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      how bout...
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           RE: how bout...
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      oh... so this post is all about YOUR limited experience, then?
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           yeah, i laughed at this as well
Feb 06th 2008
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           kap, was there any need for that?
Feb 06th 2008
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           yes... yes, there was.
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                what are you, in your 90s?
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                     if you are talking about 'greatest of ALL TIME'
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                          you can still engage in a discussion
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                               see... the problem is: I'M not in my 20s.
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                                    if you feel that way, no
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                                    by the way
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                                         Spielberg did a lot of stuff before 1987
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                                         a little bit of both, i'll admit.
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                                         "this post aroused my curiosity" - AFKAP
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                                              yes... AND?
Feb 07th 2008
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                                    AFKAP ur not a master thespian when it comes to the cinema
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                                         master thespian when it comes to film...wow
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                                         when all else fails...
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                                         i didn't want to say anything, bro... he sonned himself.
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                                              so let me get this right...
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                                                   he's not a master thespian dude. don't sweat it
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                                                   i apologized because i sincerely felt sorry
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                                                        RE: no you didn't.
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                                                             and you know this HOW?
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                                                                  because you're transparent.
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                                                                  oh you're still here?
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                                                                  Where did you apologize again?
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                                                                       i inboxed him.
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                                         master thespian???
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                                              RE: master thespian???
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                                                   i thought we were talking about DIRECTING... not ACTING.
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                                                        lol it's amazing how bad u have it in for me
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                                                             exaggeration will get you everything...
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                                                                  homie, do whatever makes u feel big
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           *acknowledges you*
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I'd definitely take Spielberg over Kubrick.
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u think Spielberg's best>Kubrick's best?
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      There's simply more of Spielberg's best.
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           oh i agree. i just wondered if u saw it the same way i see it.
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                NOPE.
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                     i used to be like you, lol.
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                          You used to like better movies?
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                               Kubrick's timeline runs right into Spielberg's.
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                                    It was both snark and serious. If you're in your 20s...
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                                         ^^^^master thespian of cinema^^^^
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                                         u guys made too big a deal out of that comment
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                                              LOL
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                                              wow, i have a life but thanks for missing me
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                                              I think you're gettin shit twisted, friend.
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Christopher Nolan
Feb 06th 2008
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LOL. dude, are YOU christopher nolan?
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      hah
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      Naw. Colin Farrell this week. Spilt personality.
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Hitchcock. Dude shaped the game. Nuff said.
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Kurosawa
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NOT EVEN CLOSE
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Will Smith
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he's quite versatile
Feb 06th 2008
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Aw, hell naw
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there are such things as foreign directors
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Wrong on all fronts!
Feb 06th 2008
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the hate you have for Kubrick
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I disagree
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this is a pretty darned good analogy
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      yep... and dude is calling ME pretentious.
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           I'd say Kubrick has about 4 great films.
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^^ as always, the voice of reason ^^
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I'm saying. McDonalds serves more burgers than anyone in the...
Feb 07th 2008
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good response
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Tyler Perry!
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