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38. "I didn't love it through and through, but I'll chime in"
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I absolutely love some stuff about it, sure. Though, I respect it a great deal obviously enough to say what I said about it previously.

>I managed to make it to the
>end... only by watching numerous parts of the movie in fast
>forward (until the dialogue started up again). Maybe this was
>a disservice to the enjoyment of the movie as it was intended,
>but it was honestly the ONLY way I could have finished it.

Tarr has expressed that he wants time to be a character in his movies. He didn't disagree with the sentiment that this movie felt dreamy. I think watching it on fast-forward lessens and negates the effects of what Tarr was trying to achieve.

>But aside from that, it was hours of nothing happening.

Some plot macro-events: Janos' worldview being destroyed, Auntie Tunde making moves, the riots. Stuff happened. The lack of dialogue and long takes of people eating or walking can mislead one into thinking nothing happened.

>- Was the mob targeting the rich, the bourgeois, those with
>political connections, or what? I don't get why they attacked
>the hospital, or killed Janos's uncle.

They rioted out of desperation as a result of being unemployed and their dire situation. As to their targets, the only thing we know for sure was the hospital assult. What was the explosion in town? I don't know. They attacked who they attacked because of the prince's rhetoric or other related-literature/thought that must've been circulating.

>- What was with the brightly-lit, nude, old guy that dispels
>the mob? Why did he have such an impact on them?

It broke their riot mentality. It made them realize what they were doing. I'm sure they all thought, "What? Jump the old man? Fuck that. Fuck this." They must've been thinking: how is this shit we're doing helping us? These people didn't do anything to us. Also, while it's on the other end of the spectrum, it's like being stopped in your tracks by a kid when you're acting a fool or something. That's what I got out of it. Even more basic than that, though, the image of the old man was a visceral thing. Kind of like the whale or the sun.

>- Why did the man accost Janos when he was passing through the
>square next to the whale while on his errands? Was he an
>obvious outsider to the mob?

I don't remember what the man said to him.

>- Similarly, why was his name on the list at the end? Wasn't
>the army's (?) list supposed to be for people who were in the
>mob, and not ordinary citizens?

Don't know. Aunt Tunde and the police captain were shady to me. I think they were taking preemptive measures for any possible resistance. Janos and Gyuri weren't necessarily eager to help Tunde in the beginning. Or, there's something obvious that I'm missing.

>- Why did it end with Janos institutionalized? I was on the
>verge of falling asleep at that point so I may have missed
>something important in understanding the ending.

This isn't the kind of movie to watch before bed! Seriously, though, Janos was innocent, naive, or whatever in the beginning. Happy-go-lucky. The hospital assault, eavesdropping on the prince, the explosion, Uncle Lajos' murder, and going on the run (helicopter) messed him up bad. Not to mention we don't know if the guys who caught him did anything to him.

  

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WERCKMEISTER HARMONIES [View all] , Deebot, Thu Oct-04-07 12:33 AM
 
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Prolly the greatest movie (fictional narrative) of this decade so far
Oct 04th 2007
1
I was hoping you had seen it
Oct 04th 2007
2
      Damn you. LOL.
Oct 04th 2007
3
           RE: Damn you. LOL.
Oct 04th 2007
4
                Or we can say Werckmeister isn't slow, it's just that most
Oct 05th 2007
8
                     RE
Oct 05th 2007
9
                     this is the truth too
Oct 05th 2007
10
                          Running time, too
Oct 05th 2007
11
                               speaking of running time
Oct 05th 2007
12
                                    Intermissions
Oct 05th 2007
14
no, I will not let this post fall yet
Oct 05th 2007
5
i put it in my queu.
Oct 05th 2007
6
      not good enough
Oct 05th 2007
7
           i put it at 5
Oct 05th 2007
13
Anyway I can find this film online?
Oct 05th 2007
15
I just saw the DVD through netflix
Oct 05th 2007
16
      I need to get a Netflix account badly. n/m
Oct 06th 2007
19
I foolishly missed this
Oct 06th 2007
17
queue it up!
Oct 06th 2007
18
All this time I thought you hated it so much that you
Oct 06th 2007
20
      that silence was the sound of my shame
Oct 07th 2007
21
Well, you got one more person to watch it...
Feb 05th 2008
22
Thanks man
Feb 06th 2008
23
RE: Well, you got one more person to watch it...
Feb 06th 2008
24
      is Damnation good?
Feb 06th 2008
25
      RE: is Damnation good?
Feb 06th 2008
27
           It didn't affect me much
Feb 22nd 2008
28
      RE: Well, you got one more person to watch it...
Feb 06th 2008
26
Satantango R1 DVD tentative release date - 7/22 n/m
Jun 21st 2008
29
excellent...I guess it'll span two discs?
Jun 22nd 2008
30
just got disc 1 in the mail
Aug 22nd 2008
31
      I rewatched it last week
Aug 22nd 2008
33
I put it in my New Classics list...
Aug 22nd 2008
32
I didn't really like it. [SPOILERS contained within]
Aug 25th 2008
34
No one's gonna help me out? Even from those who LOVED this movie?
Aug 26th 2008
35
why I'm not helping
Aug 26th 2008
36
      I guess I'm just surprised
Aug 26th 2008
37
           one of the biggest reasons I was so enthralled
Aug 26th 2008
39
      cool, thanks
Aug 28th 2008
40
In retrospect: Yes, you should see this movie. BUT, be prepared.
Aug 28th 2008
41
Sponge or colonel, do you think I'll be able to watch the first 2 discs
Feb 03rd 2010
42
It'll still have impact viewed in that manner
Feb 03rd 2010
45
      great, thanks
Feb 03rd 2010
46
      trying to "get into" the film, but it's tough
Feb 08th 2010
49
At some point this is going to have to be peeped
Feb 03rd 2010
43
At the very least, you'll say to yourself at the end:
Feb 03rd 2010
44
#1 in the queue, my dude!
Feb 03rd 2010
47
great. Really great.
Feb 04th 2010
48

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