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160. "The deaths were just different to me. Han's death had a huge "
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build-up. It was his SON killing him, it had been foreshadowed earlier when Snoke said he'd have to face his father, and you could see it coming when Han went out on that bridge. But when I first watched TFA I still thought there was a chance that Kylo would do the right thing. Plus we talking about HAN SOLO - the dude we grew up watching and wanting to be, not new characters who we just met.
However, Han's death didn't really do anything for the plot besides move Kylo Ren further to the dark side. He didn't sacrifice himself to save his friends. I do think that him dying was a final reconciliation with Leia though - before he left she told him to bring back their son, and he died for her trying to do just that.

The deaths in Rogue One were different though - they actually had a meaning of sacrifice. It seemed like each character died RIGHT after they did something needed to get the mission completed. Saw Gerrera died right after convincing Jyn to go forward on the mission with the rebels. Galen Erso died right after showing Cassian and the rest of the rebels who he really was, bringing them together for the cause. K-2SO died sacrificing himself to let Jyn and Cassian escape to get the plans. Bodhi Rook died RIGHT after getting the message out to the rebel fleet that they needed to get the shield down to transmit the plans. Chirrut and Baze died RIGHT after hitting the switch to boost the signal for the transmission of the plans. Then Jyn and Cassian died right after they successfully transmitted the plans.

So it's not that the Rogue One deaths meant "more" or "less" than Han's death, but they were handled in a different way, and RO did a GREAT job of making us feel for the deaths of characters we had just met while TFA didn't have to do this because Han was a character we grew up loving.

  

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Star Wars Anthology: Rogue One (Edwards, 2016) Reviews AND Spoilers [View all] , handle, Mon Dec-05-16 02:19 PM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
TV Spot #26 - Hints to possible cameos?
Dec 07th 2016
1
I think we'll see a brief Leia cameo, right at the end of the film.
Dec 07th 2016
2
Well, my prediction was pretty accurate...
Dec 17th 2016
114
Rebels is so damn dope..
Dec 07th 2016
3
TV Spot #27: K-2SO is gonna be the scene stealer.
Dec 07th 2016
4
The soundtrack track listing is out. Time to get nerdy.
Dec 08th 2016
5
Im excited to hear this
Dec 09th 2016
6
The first reactions to the premiere have been crazy
Dec 12th 2016
7
Has anyone seen the New Yorker review? lol
Dec 14th 2016
8
They're either parodying their own pretense or just trolling
Dec 14th 2016
9
"enticingly florid dialogue" in the trilogy prequels, huh
Dec 14th 2016
10
What in the blue fuck? Was this a satirical piece?
Dec 14th 2016
11
Richard Brody is one of my favorite film writers
Dec 14th 2016
12
it was an experiential thrill simply surviving most of 1-3's dialogue
Dec 14th 2016
13
Brody's taste in mainstream flicks has always been strange.
Dec 16th 2016
35
Front half is bad...Back half is spectacular
Dec 15th 2016
14
But "The Bad" seems to have answers
Dec 16th 2016
16
It's funny - when they announced that there wouldn't be a crawl
Dec 16th 2016
22
this WHOLE movie was BASED on the 2nd paragraph
Dec 16th 2016
77
yeah replacing a crawl with planet hops defeats the purpose.
Dec 16th 2016
86
Yeah, but it doesn't serve the movie is the problem, lol
Dec 16th 2016
25
Nah Tarkin had to have a lot of time
Dec 16th 2016
59
      You know why it wasn't in a crawl?
Dec 16th 2016
74
      i wonder when the cgi will be good enough
Dec 16th 2016
87
           Vader voice was the problem for me too
Dec 19th 2016
149
This right here:
Dec 22nd 2016
180
      Tarkin is SecState, Vader's VP/SecDef, if the Emperor had a cabinet as s...
Dec 27th 2016
194
Agree. Wouldn't have minded losing it and focusing on heist.
Dec 16th 2016
19
There's a fine line between rebellion and terrorism.
Dec 16th 2016
21
      At the same time...
Dec 16th 2016
32
Crystal / Lightsaber Explanation
Dec 16th 2016
50
Hmm interesting...
Dec 22nd 2016
178
I only have one question...is my nugga Snoke in the house?
Dec 15th 2016
15
SPOILER aka THEORY?
Dec 18th 2016
125
Soooo re: Vader.....
Dec 16th 2016
17
It's minutes before A New Hope.
Dec 16th 2016
20
RE: It's minutes before A New Hope.
Dec 16th 2016
54
Vader in the bacta tank says a LOT about his state of health.
Dec 16th 2016
52
      That scene got spoiled for me kind of
Dec 16th 2016
56
           interesting
Dec 16th 2016
79
The money shot
Dec 16th 2016
18
I can't believe how many fucking....
Dec 16th 2016
23
Oh, and Donnie Yen is the fucking man.
Dec 16th 2016
24
they tied everything together so well, without it fucking up the film
Dec 16th 2016
89
It's good, but it couldda been great. I give the edge to Awakens
Dec 16th 2016
26
I absolutely loved it
Dec 16th 2016
27
Episode 3.95: Katniss in Space
Dec 16th 2016
28
Can they fix the 2nd trilogy with a 1.3, 2.5, and 3.2???
Dec 16th 2016
29
the whole Clone Wars cartoon
Dec 21st 2016
164
      once i finish rebels, im doin clone wars
Dec 21st 2016
165
           Just started clone wars. Pretty good! n/m
Dec 21st 2016
173
Mostly good, but (unpopular opinion) the nostalgia stuff is awful.
Dec 16th 2016
30
This
Dec 16th 2016
31
Only two of the nostalgia moments were bad to me
Dec 16th 2016
33
Eh.
Dec 16th 2016
34
      Tarkin looked like a polar express character..
Dec 16th 2016
37
      Like I said, I enjoyed the movie too.
Dec 16th 2016
38
      But they HAD to be there cause Bail Organa LOL
Dec 16th 2016
63
           For casual fans, literally none of this matters, though.
Dec 16th 2016
65
                Lmao that's Leia's pops / one of the architects of the Rebellion
Dec 16th 2016
66
                The larger story. Not this story.
Dec 16th 2016
68
                Jimmy Smits/Bail Organa actually served a purpose in the story though
Dec 16th 2016
69
                1. Nobody's complaining. 2. His appearance doesn't matter.
Dec 16th 2016
72
                For me, his presence didn't take away from the film at all
Dec 17th 2016
105
                     Me neither.
Dec 17th 2016
110
                I think Reply 71 covered my feelings on this.
Dec 16th 2016
73
                     i think it's a finer line than that though
Dec 16th 2016
90
                          The issue is the main characters
Dec 16th 2016
94
                               i think part of the story is that the arc of the universe subsumes the c...
Dec 16th 2016
95
                                    We'll have to agree to disagree
Dec 16th 2016
96
                                         Saw's back story was more important to tell because it was another grey ...
Dec 17th 2016
104
                                              Grey area is not a theme. In general, I don't care about canon.
Dec 17th 2016
111
                I laughed at the music swell on Jimmy Smits
Dec 21st 2016
174
                     "Oh shit, son! It's Matt Santos!"
Dec 27th 2016
195
      You've got Mendelsohn/Mads and you rely on CGI Tarkin
Dec 16th 2016
39
      RE: Eh.
Dec 16th 2016
58
      Ahh. This works for me
Dec 19th 2016
147
Dude, it's a movie that directly relates/leads up to Ep. IV
Dec 16th 2016
41
He's not complaining about cameos
Dec 16th 2016
43
100% this.
Dec 16th 2016
45
Yup.
Dec 16th 2016
53
RE: He's not complaining about cameos
Dec 16th 2016
60
      The movie doesn't change without Smits' appearance.
Dec 16th 2016
71
           "Because her dad built it" was unnecessary to the heist, too.
Dec 16th 2016
97
                Thank you.
Dec 17th 2016
102
                I've never rooted so hard for two people NOT to kiss
Dec 17th 2016
109
I understand all of that.
Dec 16th 2016
44
SON A YODA MOVIE THANK YOU BABY JESUS?!?!
Dec 16th 2016
48
man you nailed it
Dec 16th 2016
46
Tarkin was completely unnecessary fan service and I loved it
Dec 16th 2016
47
I can dig that.
Dec 16th 2016
51
You realize those people HAD to be there
Dec 16th 2016
57
SMH...
Dec 16th 2016
75
      If the Tarkin CGI was better, or Peter Cushing wasn't, you know, dead...
Dec 16th 2016
78
           I didn;t think the CGI was a BAD
Dec 16th 2016
80
           I agree that it'd have been much better with a human actor.
Dec 16th 2016
83
           Post 43
Dec 16th 2016
84
                I'd never heard of a Saw Gerrera in my entire life before this film
Dec 17th 2016
106
I was with you up until the Vader part
Dec 19th 2016
146
      Yeah, and I've honestly come around on that scene.
Dec 19th 2016
151
I loved this film, but glad it's a 1-off. I prefer fairytale fantasy Sta...
Dec 16th 2016
36
So what were the reshoots?
Dec 16th 2016
40
There are a couple scenes from the trailers
Dec 16th 2016
81
Worth it just to see the redemption of Vader's badassedness.
Dec 16th 2016
42
who was the old man that went to the bacta tank to get Vader?
Dec 16th 2016
49
just a Vader servant I gathered.
Dec 16th 2016
61
Galen Erso must be inspirational as HECK.
Dec 16th 2016
55
I would've *loved* to get to know him more.
Dec 16th 2016
62
this is either the second or third best SW flick
Dec 16th 2016
64
Agree 100% nm
Jan 17th 2017
230
So, yeah, thoroughly enjoyed it.
Dec 16th 2016
67
I really don't see any of the cameos as fan service.
Dec 16th 2016
70
%100 base
Dec 16th 2016
76
Agree!
Dec 16th 2016
82
... but isn't this the definition of fan service?
Dec 16th 2016
85
When I said I think decisions were made I was thinking the opposite.
Dec 16th 2016
91
No it's not the definition!
Dec 17th 2016
99
      One last breakdown on this:
Dec 17th 2016
101
You nailed it
Dec 16th 2016
88
The deaths here had more heft than...
Dec 16th 2016
92
Nah, Han hit waaaay harder...
Dec 20th 2016
158
      Agreed...all of em combined in Rogue One don't match Solo's
Dec 20th 2016
159
          
Donnie Yen spin-off prequel directed by Gareth Evans please
Dec 16th 2016
93
motherfuckin Vader got that screen presence
Dec 17th 2016
98
I didn't have a problem with the pacing at all
Dec 17th 2016
100
Great review at AV Club, worth sharing:
Dec 17th 2016
103
Did anyone notice Chopper on Yavin hanger bay?
Dec 17th 2016
107
yes, that was dope
Dec 21st 2016
166
shit was good AF. shut the fuck up with the wack ass critiques
Dec 17th 2016
108
fartsies gonna fartsy. nm
Dec 17th 2016
116
basically. great flick. these dweebs bitch about everything tho.
Dec 18th 2016
128
lol.
Dec 28th 2016
208
^this
Dec 20th 2016
162
^^^
Dec 22nd 2016
179
I got the spectacle I was missing from The Force Awakens
Dec 17th 2016
112
same here
Dec 17th 2016
115
      first scene with Tarkin
Dec 17th 2016
117
      Yep to all things here.
Dec 18th 2016
129
      Those weren't AT-ATs in this movie.
Dec 19th 2016
140
           RE: Those weren't AT-ATs in this movie.
Dec 19th 2016
152
           RE: Those weren't AT-ATs in this movie.
Jan 05th 2017
229
Forest was amazing to me, and I wish Saw was used better.
Dec 17th 2016
113
I really liked his seasoning on that ham as well.
Dec 17th 2016
118
      Thank you. So far in my convos, u and I are the only ones.
Dec 18th 2016
121
      Yep. That scene when he asked Jyn if she was there to kill him...
Dec 18th 2016
122
Looks like Saw is showing up in Rebels when it restarts
Dec 18th 2016
119
Diego Luna doesn't work for me, ever. He's a distraction to me.
Dec 18th 2016
120
Might be better suited for comedy...killed it in Casa de mi Padre
Dec 19th 2016
154
Forest was over acting like he was in a totally different movie
Dec 18th 2016
123
He was supposed to be acting crazy
Dec 18th 2016
126
      Yeah man, I knew who his character was. And he was over acting.
Dec 18th 2016
130
           Yeah man...he wasnt.
Dec 18th 2016
131
                He was though.
Dec 19th 2016
134
                     Upcoming Rebels season will determine that
Dec 19th 2016
141
                     Forest said, 'fuck it...this gon be my Battlefield Earth prequel too'
Dec 19th 2016
155
                          Lol
Dec 20th 2016
161
                          LOFL
Dec 28th 2016
209
A thought. A theory. A grade.
Dec 18th 2016
124
I don't think so
Dec 18th 2016
127
      But...
Dec 18th 2016
132
      The puppet that tall is being used to interact with actors
Dec 19th 2016
135
      Fuck these names. PLAGEUS???
Dec 18th 2016
133
      I think it's even more simple than that. Snoke is Snoke.
Dec 19th 2016
139
      Wasn't Plagues a Muun?
Dec 19th 2016
142
      Before TFA I was hoping Snoke was Plagueis, but Snoke has a nose.
Dec 19th 2016
145
      It ain't Plageus. They already came out and said that
Dec 19th 2016
148
oddly, I think Tarkin is bothering people because they know it's CGI
Dec 19th 2016
136
yup.
Dec 19th 2016
137
He looked really good to me. On Youtube someone posted all
Dec 19th 2016
138
i caught the IMAX 3D, and also thought the tarkin CG looked fantastic.
Dec 19th 2016
150
      same
Dec 19th 2016
156
      in this line.
Dec 28th 2016
210
it didn't bother casual and new Star Wars goers at all...
Dec 19th 2016
143
I'd actually say the opposite.
Dec 19th 2016
144
I barely know who tarkin is much less who is in episode iii
Dec 19th 2016
157
      That's my point.
Dec 21st 2016
169
I didnt think twice about it until after the movie
Dec 21st 2016
163
Same here. I was hyped that he was in it.
Dec 21st 2016
167
the patient, dialed-down dialogue was also refreshing versus TFA
Dec 19th 2016
153
Whittakers reprising the role in the Rebel cartoons
Dec 21st 2016
168
Looks like we'll get to see why he went crazy.
Dec 21st 2016
170
ya'll ain't no real Star Wars fans ... LOL
Dec 21st 2016
171
I'm surprised people disliked the CGI
Dec 21st 2016
172
I gotta see it in IMAX or just Ultra AVX no 3D
Dec 22nd 2016
175
I saw it in IMAX 3D and then on a regular screen
Dec 22nd 2016
184
After rewatching, the only CGI moment I didn't like was Leia's smile.
Dec 22nd 2016
176
      Yeah i agree she shouldve looked scared or worried
Dec 22nd 2016
181
      lol
Dec 22nd 2016
183
I saw it. I really liked it. My complaints are minimal.
Dec 22nd 2016
177
My only problem with the movie are the motivations
Dec 22nd 2016
182
This is actually the crux of the "fan service" debate
Dec 22nd 2016
185
      RE: This is actually the crux of the "fan service" debate
Dec 22nd 2016
186
           Again, we'll agree to disagree. And I'll tap out of this post.
Dec 22nd 2016
187
I liked it :)
Dec 24th 2016
188
This joint was great!
Dec 25th 2016
189
Which death? K2SO?
Dec 26th 2016
191
      Yeah man
Dec 27th 2016
198
           Yeah plus his was very hard to watch it was sad
Dec 27th 2016
200
Loved it
Dec 26th 2016
190
I want to hear a good case for why Saw Gerrera is a thing
Dec 27th 2016
192
There really isn't a case for him.
Dec 27th 2016
196
Rebels: al Qaeda/ISIS. Empire: USA
Dec 27th 2016
193
Resistance: ?? / First Order: ??
Dec 27th 2016
197
Yea that all missed me too. "When trying to be deep goes nowhere"
Dec 27th 2016
199
NO. you are confusing tactics with goals
Dec 27th 2016
202
Saw it again - still good - but a few niggles...
Dec 27th 2016
201
RE: Saw it again - still good - but a few niggles...
Dec 27th 2016
203
Lightsaber wounds are bloodless because they instantly
Dec 28th 2016
204
Think it has to do with species, cuz there was blood in the cantina
Dec 28th 2016
205
Maybe?
Dec 28th 2016
206
      Yeah that stuff is pretty much par for the course in Star Wars.
Dec 28th 2016
207
i appreciate the story even more after the second viewing.
Dec 30th 2016
213
So Cass shot Jyns pops right?
Dec 30th 2016
211
?? I thought that was a strike from the airraid
Dec 30th 2016
212
      They all went down in an explosion
Dec 30th 2016
214
           Saw it again yesterday; he was def. taken out by the explosion...
Dec 31st 2016
216
                I know he went down from the air raid
Jan 01st 2017
219
                     explosion + steel platform = bad things.
Jan 03rd 2017
221
Oh and this bothered me
Dec 30th 2016
215
Data storage isn't standardized now!
Dec 31st 2016
217
      Storagetek's contract with the Empire had a
Dec 31st 2016
218
Cool movie, not as good as TFA though...
Jan 03rd 2017
220
i don't think its better than TFA either
Jan 03rd 2017
222
Saw looked great but he was completed wasted, story wise, imo
Jan 03rd 2017
223
      I agree with the Darth Maul comparison
Jan 04th 2017
224
           Flesh out his story in the tv show and books
Jan 04th 2017
225
                This is a good point...
Jan 04th 2017
226
                     Yeah having Forrest play him made us expect a lot
Jan 04th 2017
227
                          Yeah - DOPE. But check the other thread for my other thoughts
Jan 04th 2017
228
"I'm going in!"
Jan 24th 2017
231
br leaked.
Mar 18th 2017
232
was my dumbass talking shit about this movie?
Dec 11th 2019
233
This was and still is my favorite of the reboots
Dec 12th 2019
234

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