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39. "Well, in my opinion, that's a slippery slope..."
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Not that there couldn't be an instance where I would side with an artist for wanting a commissioned work removed. But in this particular instance, I disagree.

The artist, Albuquerque, told CBR, "My intention was never to hurt or upset anyone through my art. For that reason, I have recommended to DC that the variant cover be pulled." The full quote is here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-comics-cancels-batgirl-joker-variant-at-artists-request

If the only reason he requested it be pulled is because a group of people were hurt or upset at the solicited image...well, that's an incredibly slippery slope in my opinion. If that's the barometer for being able to pull a comic book cover – particularly in the present social media age, where opinions can receive an unprecedented amount of attention – I don't think that bodes well for the future.

There's absolutely no way to control or even measure what's hurtful or upsetting to (segments of) an audience in a medium where the art and dialogue run the gamut of the human experience (even in light of many being superhumans). Then there's the argument of how much audience hurt/upset is acceptable?

I do think (personal morals injected here) that DC does have a responsibility to be tasteful, particularly with respect to comic covers, as it's the first thing seen by a consumer. But, as I stated above, within the context in which the cover's presented, I think it's fine.

Again, I'm not advocating violence against women and, again, I think this is a healthy and needed conversation to be had within this industry.

While I respect DC for not wanting to encourage the proliferation of death threats or violence (however weak they might have been), I disagree with DC deciding to pull it based off of Albuquerque's reasoning.

And as I said, there may very well be an instance where I would side with an artist for wanting a commissioned work removed, but not in this instance.

  

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The Batgirl #41 (The Joker variant cover) Controversy [View all] , aScribe, Wed Mar-18-15 12:13 PM
 
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For the record, I'm fine with it...
Mar 18th 2015
1
Goddamn it I hate the internet.
Mar 18th 2015
2
I get it.
Mar 18th 2015
3
I both get it and feel like it was overblown at the same time.
Mar 18th 2015
5
Precisely. Let's say Spider-Man was sodomized by Venom.
Mar 18th 2015
7
question for you:
Mar 18th 2015
9
      No, you misread what I'm saying.
Mar 18th 2015
11
few things
Mar 18th 2015
8
a few more things.
Mar 18th 2015
12
Yeah, it does look like he's about to sexually assault her
Mar 18th 2015
13
      boom
Mar 18th 2015
14
           Without the History of the Killing Joke that cover isn't as bad
Mar 19th 2015
24
                ..but that cover IS referencing The Killing Joke.
Mar 20th 2015
42
                     Exactly
Mar 21st 2015
47
maybe I'm the wrong person to ask, but I think that's a dope cover.
Mar 18th 2015
4
props to the artist for the sensitivity to pull in once death threats ha...
Mar 18th 2015
6
remember how much folks hated the comics code authority?
Mar 18th 2015
10
yyyyyyyyyep
Mar 21st 2015
48
      I think outrage fatigue is going to set in soon
Mar 21st 2015
54
           No one in here is blindly outraged, though.
Mar 21st 2015
55
                Wasn't referring to PTP speciffically
Mar 21st 2015
56
this seems like the anti-gamergate
Mar 18th 2015
15
As per the writer of this version of Batgirl and the artist...
Mar 18th 2015
16
      thx
Mar 18th 2015
17
      tone of the book indeed
Mar 18th 2015
18
So people are mad at a Comic Supervillian doing some evil shit
Mar 19th 2015
19
No, people are mad at a super heroine being depicted as a victim.
Mar 19th 2015
26
      Once again, he's a SUPERVILLIAN, their whole modus operandi
Mar 19th 2015
30
           Heros don't cry and therefore neither should Heroines
Mar 19th 2015
33
                Batgirl isn't Batman's equal
Mar 21st 2015
49
                     Not only that, but to my understanding Batgirl is supposed to
Mar 21st 2015
52
This is so stupid
Mar 19th 2015
20
It's stupid when the creative team and the artist agree...?
Mar 19th 2015
21
^^^
Mar 19th 2015
28
Isn't that another character together? EDIT: You're right
Mar 19th 2015
23
Except they don't show Batman pissing his pants when he fights Bane...
Mar 19th 2015
31
      THANK YOU!
Mar 19th 2015
32
      ^^^
Mar 19th 2015
35
      Agree. You don't see this. (fan art of Superman + Doomsday)
Mar 19th 2015
37
      LMAO!!!!
Mar 20th 2015
44
      that would be a fantastic cover, though
Mar 21st 2015
51
      I dunno. Sexist just b/c she's crying?
Mar 19th 2015
38
           Sexist because it's a female character crying in fear re: a villain who....
Mar 20th 2015
41
Good cover for a Vertigo comic. Bad cover for a regular ass issue
Mar 19th 2015
22
Maybe I need to re-read Killing Joke, but I don't remember sexual
Mar 19th 2015
25
Well, I mean....
Mar 19th 2015
29
      it always seemed fairly apparent to me.
Mar 20th 2015
43
           Alan Moore says that she wasn't
Mar 21st 2015
50
I'm glad this convo is being had, but still disagree with nixing it...
Mar 19th 2015
27
The artist wanted it removed. What principle is being violated?
Mar 19th 2015
34
^^^
Mar 19th 2015
36
      Yeah...this happens all the time in comics and publishing...
Mar 20th 2015
40
           basically.
Mar 20th 2015
46
if you were actually reading the book, you'd get why the creators reject...
Mar 20th 2015
45
I don't see an issue with them changing the cover if t doesn't fit
Mar 21st 2015
53

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