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genius.switch
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34. "1983 version >>>>>>> 1932 version"
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Tue Oct-23-07 09:08 PM by genius.switch

  

          

About two months ago, I did a complete 180 on my stance of that movie, and Pacino's performance within even.

While it might be unfair to hold Hawkes's work to modern standards, because of pressures from censors and the limitation of movies back then, Paul Muni and company themselves come of as one-dimensional and over-the-top and prove generally grating to watch. Sure, the on-screen depiction of violence still sparks--and must have been revolutionary at the time--but the story is told in a rather flimsy and uncompelling if not laughable manner that is simply not worthwhile for the audience. Maybe it was a true originator once and everyone simply copied for decades following, thus limiting its initial power, but it really seems now more of a parody of gangsters and gangster films. (However, something like Public Enemy still holds up relatively well today, so I'm not gonna give Hawkes that much of a pass.)

On the other hand, while De Palma's version--his most satisfying film--may also be dated in some areas, by its early 80's soundtrack and montages, and though the grip on its ending is not so air tight, its ever-quotable dialogue, appropriately operatic lead performance, horrifying violence, consistent suspense, and well-researched story hardly waste a minute of film.

I know it's rather easy to blame Tony for his influence, especially with as uninspiring and myopic as those copy-cats have been, but I say without hesitation that 1983's Scarface is the infinitely more entertaining and better made film.

Now I just have to see Sternberg's Underworld somehow.

  

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am i the only one that thinks 'scarface' is a bad movie? [View all] , al_sharp, Tue Oct-23-07 01:37 PM
 
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everyone knows that it is a HORRIBLE movie
Oct 23rd 2007
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that's the thing though... everyone doesn't
Oct 23rd 2007
14
      tell the truth, u've seen at least one of those jackets at a Raider game
Oct 23rd 2007
26
           lol
Oct 23rd 2007
27
yeah it's bad
Oct 23rd 2007
2
He was Cuban actually
Oct 23rd 2007
3
Wudda'ju talggin'bout main?
Oct 23rd 2007
16
i'm more disturbed by the sight of Robert Loggia in brownface.
Oct 23rd 2007
19
      Exactly!
Oct 23rd 2007
21
the movies a cult classic
Oct 23rd 2007
4
i liked it
Oct 23rd 2007
5
It's SO over-the-top and a lot of folks think it's a so realistic...
Oct 23rd 2007
6
RE: am i the only one that thinks 'scarface' is a bad movie?
Oct 23rd 2007
7
it's not that bad....
Oct 23rd 2007
8
^^^This is it
Oct 23rd 2007
11
i like a some B movies though. but it *is* over-rated.
Oct 23rd 2007
9
So what that make you? Good?
Oct 23rd 2007
10
So say goodnight to the bad guy!
Oct 23rd 2007
35
      Here pelican pelican pelican...
Oct 23rd 2007
36
           that pelican shit always cracks me up
Oct 24th 2007
47
           fly pelican fly
Oct 24th 2007
53
it's a great movie if you don't take it seriously
Oct 23rd 2007
12
pretty much
Oct 23rd 2007
29
i kept falling asleep on it
Oct 23rd 2007
13
yeah, it's a bad movie, but it's a trashy bad movie that many
Oct 23rd 2007
15
Bad performance..looks like Pacino mocking Vinnie Barbarino
Oct 23rd 2007
17
lol
Oct 24th 2007
39
I thought a couple scenes were classic, IMO
Oct 23rd 2007
18
but 'Push It To The Limit' is a great song!!!
Oct 23rd 2007
20
limiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
Oct 23rd 2007
22
      LMAO
Oct 23rd 2007
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           that's the best movie montage song ever.
Oct 24th 2007
40
                i dunno. "You're The Best" from Karate Kid might win by a hair.
Oct 24th 2007
43
                     wrongo on both counts
Oct 24th 2007
45
                     my list...
Oct 25th 2007
65
                     that's the one i was talkin about.
Oct 25th 2007
60
                     you KNOW i agree
Oct 25th 2007
68
For what it is, it's great. But not great by conventional standards.
Oct 23rd 2007
23
SAY GOO-NIGH TO MY LILLL FRIEN... CHOOT THAT PIECE OF CHIT*
Oct 23rd 2007
24
Miami WAS popping off like that in the 80's tho.
Oct 23rd 2007
25
Cocaine Cowboys
Oct 24th 2007
56
      *adds to Netflix que*
Oct 24th 2007
57
"people like scarface because...it's heartfelt." (c) Snoop.
Oct 23rd 2007
30
hahaha...word.
Oct 24th 2007
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RE: "people like scarface because...it's heartfelt." (c) Snoop.
Oct 24th 2007
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Scarface is a bad movie, everyone who knows movies knows that
Oct 23rd 2007
31
its the reason for the phrase "awesomely bad"
Oct 23rd 2007
32
Less-beeyang (c) Manolo after being slapped by broad @ the pool
Oct 23rd 2007
33
bad, bad, really really bad (c) MJ
Oct 23rd 2007
37
that's what pisses me off the most...
Oct 24th 2007
42
One of the better movies made in the 80s imho
Oct 23rd 2007
38
did u think it was bad as a kid tho???
Oct 24th 2007
46
i did tho...and everyone i hung out with LOVED it...
Oct 25th 2007
61
So bad it's good in that over the top 80s sort of way
Oct 24th 2007
48
ha...
Oct 25th 2007
62
fantastic re-imagining of Shakespeare's Macbeth
Oct 24th 2007
49
i have never heard this reasoning b4
Oct 24th 2007
50
it does follow MacBeth, I'll give it that
Oct 24th 2007
51
wait....... what?
Oct 24th 2007
54
      well it's more than just that
Oct 24th 2007
55
           hmmm.
Oct 25th 2007
63
But its an 80's classic......
Oct 24th 2007
52
its Valley Of The Dolls of crime flicks
Oct 24th 2007
58
Prepare to have this discussion on Belly in 15 years..
Oct 25th 2007
59
ha...word.
Oct 25th 2007
64
I still hate Belly
Oct 25th 2007
66
can never sit through the dvd
Oct 25th 2007
67

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