i mean really bad.

like bad b-movie bad.

the shit is like a steven seagal movie starring al pacino.

some shit you'd see at like 2 in the afternoon on channel 9 on a saturday.

ugh.


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it is universally accepted as a bad movie, and it tanked in the theaters.

it is a cult classic,

to the point that they'll drop $2500 on this:

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>to the point that they'll drop $2500 on this:
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The original wasn't that good either.

I don't know, if I had known more about it beforehand, I would have just watched it for the intentional or unintentional camp value.

I took it seriously, which made it godawful.

But I mean, an Italian guy from New York playing a Puerto Rican drug lord in Florida...that's kinda funny.

and I still get looks of surprise when people find out I'm Cuban because I don't talk like that.

Ju don'talg like thah?

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i enjoy it every time i see it

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Wow, I just had this converstaion today. We were talking about classic films and a bunch of people said SCARFACE. I had to set them straight and tell them that when it came out it was panned by the critics and considered a flop. The acting is horrible and Pacino's accent is ridiculous!!!
One person had the nerve to say it was an epic story in the same mold as the GODFATHER . . . WTF?????









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it's schlocky, it's over the top, it's laughably unbelieveable, but it's fairly entertaining....I'm nowhere near as much of a Scarface fan as most of the rest of our generation, but the excellence of it's excesses make it at least understandable as a cult classic...and I say this with it being easily one of my least favorite Pacino flicks...

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fuck all that "b movie" shit. When it comes on, people watch...isn't that a classic? I mean who watches Gone With The Wind on a reg? Exactly.


For art quality and craft, sure it's no Godfather. But for the pure esthetic of drugs, violence and a bad guy we love to root for... A+

and just sit back and enjoy over the top 80s excess of guns, coke, violence, cash, and cheesy music..... good times.

but people who compare it to the godfather (and there are alot of them out there) are beyone retarded.

and 2nd half is not as good. I remember playing the 1st half tape way more than the 2nd.

>and just sit back and enjoy over the top 80s excess of guns,
>coke, violence, cash, and cheesy music..... good times.
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>but people who compare it to the godfather (and there are alot
>of them out there) are beyone retarded.
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>

(not me) find entertaining

like in a funny way, like he was at a house party, and everyone's drunk, and Al is like "Watch me do Travolta in that Kotter show!"

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The assiassination scene was dope "LiberTAAAAAAAAAAAAAD", and when they went to the hotel. That Columbian chick with the gun under the pillow was tough as hell. Your boy coming up behind him on the stairs and grabbing his hair was the shit.

i never get tired of hearing it!!!!!!!

i think south park used it in a montage once. that and the karate kid's "you're the best around".

>that and the
>karate kid's "you're the best around".

ever.


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I submit to you: The Rocky IV Training Montage

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ns6p_8wGPXY

1. Rocky ("Getting strong nowwwwww... won't be long nowwwwww")
2. Karate Kid ("You're the best...around")
3. Rocky II (Survivor - Eye of the Tiger)
4. Rocky IV ("There's no easy way out/There's no shortcut hooooome")
5. Over the Top ("Winner takes it all, loser takes a fall, fight to make it over the top")
6. Revenge of the Nerds (when they're cleaning up the Frat house)
7. Team America: World Police (this movie kinda sucked, but this part was funny)
8. Naked Gun ("Something tells me I'm in for something good")
9. Scarface ("Take it to the limit... LIMIIIIIIIT!")

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kid takes out half of Cobra Kai in one song! http://youtube.com/watch?v=n5TSCwMbsPY

It's an exercise in excess, excessive violence, big flashy cinematography, larger-than-life character acting.

I doubt that would have been as good a movie if they'd tried to make it conventionally great. Playing to the excessive style is what has made it last.

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Dudes WAS gettin clapped in the streets.

makes you think maybe Scarface didn't have ENOUGH violence.

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lmao @ how he says that on the dvd like he's talkin about "the fox and the hound" or some shit.


i'm just gon start slappin motherfuckers on sight.

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hah!

But it's great in it's horribleness. It's what Snakes on a Plane should've been. It's ridiculous, full of one-liners and bad accents.

It will say though, it's not as excessive as people here seem to think. I urge you all to go watch Cocaine Cowboys. Scarface seems over the top, but in a lot of ways, that's how Miami was in the 80s.

and if you ask me, that is still some kind of greatness.

and no matter what any of you say....... it is a mark of its generation. like it or not, its not going anywhere, and as we get further and further away from its original release more and more people will forget that it was a flop.

if you ask me, thats a great thing.

i mean, really, ask yourself how many so called great movies that you love also bombed at the box office and were critically trashed? does that mean any of those movies were actually that awful then and we've been brainwashed, or does it mean that it was a good movie that just didnt fare well?

basically, its all personal, and frankly, i am a little tired of the redundancy of the whole "well its great but its bad talk". if you think its great, just admit it, flaws and all. nothing's perfect.













but yeah, all the accents are awful and loggia gives one of the worst performances in cinema history. but maybe thats me.

shitty Cuban accent translation: lesbian.

About two months ago, I did a complete 180 on my stance of that movie, and Pacino's performance within even.

While it might be unfair to hold Hawkes's work to modern standards, because of pressures from censors and the limitation of movies back then, Paul Muni and company themselves come of as one-dimensional and over-the-top and prove generally grating to watch. Sure, the on-screen depiction of violence still sparks--and must have been revolutionary at the time--but the story is told in a rather flimsy and uncompelling if not laughable manner that is simply not worthwhile for the audience. Maybe it was a true originator once and everyone simply copied for decades following, thus limiting its initial power, but it really seems now more of a parody of gangsters and gangster films. (However, something like Public Enemy still holds up relatively well today, so I'm not gonna give Hawkes that much of a pass.)

On the other hand, while De Palma's version--his most satisfying film--may also be dated in some areas, by its early 80's soundtrack and montages, and though the grip on its ending is not so air tight, its ever-quotable dialogue, appropriately operatic lead performance, horrifying violence, consistent suspense, and well-researched story hardly waste a minute of film.

I know it's rather easy to blame Tony for his influence, especially with as uninspiring and myopic as those copy-cats have been, but I say without hesitation that 1983's Scarface is the infinitely more entertaining and better made film.

Now I just have to see Sternberg's Underworld somehow.

no run-dmc-o

however, its one of the best unintentional comedies in cinema.

the tragedy is that n*ggas actually value the so-called "lessons" from that movie. they actually "study" that movie and see it as an inspiration.

i will say this though, Oliver Stone wrote some great dialogue for the movie.

all these fuckin thugs thinkin the shit is like the holy grail.

i know way too many dumb muhfuckas like that.


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...that was the SHIT when we were in like 9th grade

i've ALWAYS thought that shit was bad.


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I mean, the movie is absolutely ridiculous. But it is ridiculous enough to become a cult classic and work itself into pop culture.

The problem is that so many think of it a seriously incredible movie and seem to take life lessons and base their decision making skills on it. They actually take the movie seriously, and don't actually view it as campy and over the top. "Scarface" is maybe as campy as "The Warriors."

I blame "Scarface" for morons like TI.

>I blame "Scarface" for morons like TI.

word.


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i really enjoyed it. i think a lot of the complaints about it being shallow/cheesy/overthetop are misdirected cause there's a strong sense of that superficiality being a major theme in the film. but watching it all the way through with Macbeth in mind, it made a lot of sense to me

but ok

I actually thought about this before. "Scarface" does follow the general story and character progression as "MacBeth."

"MacBeth" is the action movie of Shakespeare's work.

because he rises to power and then is killed in the end? i dont know man.

they both gain initial elevation through battlefield deeds
then they get overambitious and bump off their superiors
then get paranoid and fail to enjoy their status
off their best friends
think they're invincible
before finally getting served by some other dudes from the old gang

i wouldn't say it's a 'rewriting' of macbeth, but a 'reimagining'. lots of stuff was changed by i could see WHY it was changed. like perhaps the most famous quality of Lady Macbeth was her childlessness, and that infertility theme is picked up by Scarface's girlfriend quite noticably. it used Macbeth as a base to go on and make new points about modern psychology (afterall Macbeth is celebrated for it's psychological accuracy... like Lady MacB getting obsessive compulsive disorder and stuff). while the shakespeare play had a veil of superstition over the whole thing, Macbeth has got a veil of liek... cocaine-driven numbness/superficiality

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I didn't say it was good, but it is classic
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but also is the movie nerds favorite punching bag... "now"

With the way I hear people talking about that movie, I have no doubt it'll be more revered the further we're away from it.

Regarding Scarface I liked the movie. I never took anything from it, and can't sit through the whole thing again.. But I liked it when I watched it.

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if its on tv i end up watching it... but would never just throw it on, too long and waaay to overrated