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David Amidon
18 Nov
I'm handling a first ever Best Mixtapes of 2013 list for PopMatters and I can't figure out if y'all consider ESGN a tape or not.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
Hey. The definition of a tape is pretty fuzzy. Midwestboxframe wasn't really a tape if u think about it. It was free, but was all original.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
Same with BFK and most of our projects really. ESGN isn't necessarily an album either as its not really Freddie's official debut.

David Amidon
18 Nov
Exactly where I'm at with this feature. Essentially, I feel like artists consider mixtapes a little "less" than albums.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
We think of it as our "thug life" which was really a 2pac album but also wasn't a compilation.

David Amidon
18 Nov
But if you all are cool with it being called a mixtape, it's on the list.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
I mean to be honest, Freddie and drake were the first two artists to drop free albums. So far gone and miseducation/Midwest.

David Amidon
18 Nov
And at the end of the day, Thug Life was fucking great.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
So u can definitely call it a mixtape if its gonna give it some shine.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
100% agree. Has some of the greatest PAC songs in my favorite era of PAC.

David Amidon
18 Nov
Man, I am with you on that. I consider 2008/2009 the real budding of this whole scene. Gibbs, Drake, Cole, KRIT, all on the forefront.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
Freddie And drake did it, then u had the 2nd wave with krit, cole, TDE etc

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
Cocaine Piñata is gonna be Freddie's real debut album, which is crazy cuz no one would have ever expected that

David Amidon
18 Nov
I just wanted to check with you because the lines are so blurred these days. Free LPs, Free EPs, Free Albums. I don't want to offend.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
But Ice Cubes debut was produced by Bomb Squad from the east coast, so sometimes magic happens that way unexpectedly

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
No offense at all man. We were kind of annoyed people were trying to make it into Freddie's "debut"

David Amidon
18 Nov
I mean to me, Midwestgangsta....was THAT ALBUM in 2009. But it had the Skee tags. Plus the NO DJ cut. Y'all make it hard sometimes, lol.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
Lol. Well a lot of that material was owned by Interscope and they were just going to sit on it forever.

David Amidon
18 Nov
Especially with the fact he had been on tape sites and such from 2006 onward. It's hard to tell how to put things in categories.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
And if that had happened Freddie wouldn't be rich today, so we had to drop it free and go with it

David Amidon
18 Nov
Maybe some #whiteboyshit.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
It's the Wild West really, and categories just make things easier for people to comprehend. But u can call all of this whatever u want haha.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
The Madlib shit is definitely not a mixtape tho. U don't work on a mixtape for 4 years lol


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