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"let's specifically talk favorite 2013 mixtapes"


  

          

below is my personal swipe of a "top 10", but as I mention in the open there were so many mixtapes this year of apparent quality based on features or production credits that it was impossible to get to all of them. Folks are still mad I never gave Kevin Gates or Migos a real shot, especially considering the former gets not just one but two or three separate references in this write-up. Also to re-iterate, Chance and K.R.I.T. are off this list because they made the 10 Best Albums list we ran, so I felt it'd be more useful to shine a light on two other, slightly lesser mixtapes just to get more names in the coverage. anyway, let's talk tapes!



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http://www.popmatters.com/feature/177728-the-best-mixtapes-of-2013/P0/

(if you'd rather read through the link, there are stream embeds and photos all such fun-time internet stuff. and if you skim just to reply, that's cool too! looking for recommendations on missed/overlooked stuff more than readers)




The Best Mixtapes of 2013
By David Amidon 30 December 2013


For the longest time, hip-hop mixtapes were exactly as the name implied: tapes, mixed and stitched by neighborhood-renowned DJs, blending various instrumentals and a capellas and fresh-out-the-booth street singles into transformative works. For the working class rap lover who didn’t have the coin for a retail release, these grey-area tapes from DJs like Tony Touch, Kid Capri, and Kay Slay became a definitive form of taste-making within the genre. But everything changed in 2009. When Freddie Gibbs, Drake, and J. Cole first became household names in rap nerd circles it was off the strength of free projects that eschewed DJs and flavor of the week beats married to “freestyles” (see: Da Drought 3, We Got It for Cheap, Vol. 2) for, well…

In the four years since mixtapes became anything but a mix on tape, rap listeners have grown accustomed to the idea that not only should they feel like a brand new album from the rhymes to the beats, but, lacking the typical constraints of a retail product, they should probably be better than the product you pay for. Mixtapes have turned albums into a product that’s purchased almost as a thank you for prior free releases in many cases, particularly in the case of such prolific artists as Curren$y and Gucci Mane, whose free output dwarfs their retail output at a ratio of nearly four to one. As odd as it feels to call these things mixtapes, that’s what we’ve settled on. In speaking with Gibbs’ manager, DJ Lambo in preparation for this feature, I asked him whether we’d decided if Gibbs’ ESGN was an album - like many modern mixtapes, it exists in a limbo with free versions floating through the ether and a for-pay version on iTunes. His response: “Midwestboxframe wasn’t really a tape if think about it. It was free, but it was all original. We were kind of annoyed people were trying to make it into his ‘debut’. It’s the wild west really, and categories just make it easier for people to comprehend. But you can call ESGN whatever you want .”

So how did I define a mixtape for this feature? Essentially, if it was still hosted on Livemixtapes or Datpiff as of this writing, I included it. I left Big K.R.I.T.‘s King Remembered in Time and Chance the Rapper’s Acid Rap out as we’d already declared them two of 2013’s Best Hip-Hop. I didn’t include Run the Jewels’ atom bomb primarily for the same reason, although fear of El-P target-locking deadly lasers on me from outer space for calling it a mixtape also weighed on my mind. And then I threw ESGN in just because I was told I could by the man’s right hand. Also, I’d like to think of this list not as a best-of, but simply a note from me to you about the mixtapes that caught my ears all year, the releases that stood out from a mountain of Atlanta trap, Chicago drill, New York coke music, and Richmond slappers. As I put the finishing touches on this list, there are 420 mixtapes in my iTunes and I promise you I didn’t find time to get to all of them. Hell, Q-Tip and Busta Rhymes just dropped a new one—and the fans are disappointed it’s a mixtape in the classic sense of the word. Oh, how times have changed.



10. Gucci Mane - Trap God 2
(1017 Brick Squad)

“Fish scale all over my muthafuckin’ ‘partment / Damn, I got dope all on my garment.” It took 40 projects to get there, but Gucci Mane may have finally found the couplet that summarizes his entire career. For all his bullish intimidation tactics on record and in the interview room, at heart Gucci’s just a comedian, and opening this album with a line like that let me know I was probably in for the Gucci Mane release I’m always patiently waiting for. Later, after I got to hear, “I got that Mexican weed, them bricks / You know, that trash shit / And all you gotta do is drive this shit to Athens,” on a song that also shouts out Black Panthers (“And for them Panthers raise your arm up then you make a ball fist”) all wrapped in a ball of paranoia Georgiaphilia and jokes like, “I’m a tough guy like Conan,” I knew I’d found it, certainly.

Trap God 2, however, presents a dilemma more and more common to the mixtape scene. Frankly, quite a smart one as well. While in mixtape format Trap God 2 is certainly good at what it does, you’ll be doing yourself a disservice if you don’t take advantage of a new trend: buying the iTunes version. If the mixtape market wasn’t confusing enough before, it certainly is now. But this review concerns that version, because the tape is just too solid to dedicate more than this sentence to the common knowledge that absolutely zero DJs screaming threats and making fake rewind noises is preferable to a pair of them doing so.

Even then, not necessarily a let down. If you’ve spent any cursory time through the maze of Wooh da Kid, KayO Redd, Cartel MGM, and Frenchie mixtapes, you’re going to hear a lot of the 808 Mafia’s (Lex Luger, Southside, TM88, Tarentino, Purps, London, and others) experiments coming to fruition on Trap God 2. “Bullet Wound” is the sort of experiment in making bass so titanic that it renders many lower-end audio systems—and the cars that house them—absolutely pitiful. Then he teams up with DJ Squeeky on “Bob Marley” for a fairly plain song about weed and money that just so happens to sound like “Hail Mary” meets “Come with Me”, because why not. This is an album where he’s raising the price of a blunt from $100 to $200, or smoking 75 of them in one minute; the way that he comes about making his threats by way of humor and assertion is as goofy and creative as it’s ever been.




9. Deniro Farrar - The Patriarch

More stoner nerd gangster shit, same as it’s ever been. Deniro Farrar has a voice maybe half an octave higher than Tyler, the Creator and raps about as monotonously. Like a lot of internet icons of the cloud rap movement, he’s a delightfully honest rapper, and the weary certainty with which he delivers his struggles couches that honesty in all kinds of solemnity. Because this is the accepted, boilerplate model of most current aspiring rappers with Bandcamp accounts, and because Farrar is so eager to fit into it, what he talks about and how he talks about it is really of the utmost importance to his enjoyability. The whole of The Patriarch is consistently head-bobbing, with a track like “Fears” achieving Vicious Lies & Dangerous Rumors’ grand vision of a perfect synthpop/rap hybrid, while “Feel the Rain” brings a depression to gangster-sounding music you just don’t hear often enough.

With The Patriarch, Deniro Farrar is just good enough most of the time as a rapper, but it’s his subject matter that made this release feel like a peer to the other releases on this list. It’s very enjoyable musically, with beats from cloud rap superstars Clams Casino, Friendzone, KIRA, and more, and Deniro’s grumbly sorrow over the fates of his close friends and family as working class poor in North Carolina feels oddly refreshing in a rap climate currently dominated by opulence, party tunes, and not so humble brags. Were it not for a shaky start to the tape, The Patriarch might’ve been in the discussion for rap album of the year. As it stands, along with The Patriarch II, it marks Farrar as one of 2013’s newer names we should be watching very closely over the next couple years.




8. Stalley - Honest Cowboy
(Maybach Music Group)

As an artist, Stalley remains about as ephemeral as ever with his third high-quality mixtape, Honest Cowboy. Much like former stablemate Curren$y, his is a formula that asks very little of its listeners. Marijuana, car trunk bass, vague Muslim motivational speak, and generic rapper confidence. But with each tape he finds a new twist on the formula, and each twist tends to diminish his worth to the public ever so slightly. As his music’s drifted farther and farther from Masillion, Ohio, so too has Stalley’s career appeared more and more anchorless.

Fortunately for him, he still has that metered, breathless desperation to his voice, a sort of Freeway for the common man. And when that gets paired with spacey, Aquemini-like production from DJ Quik and Block Beattaz, it becomes very hard for anyone to make a sonically disengaging record. Honest Cowboy may limp to its ending with a few of Block Beattaz’ patented genre experiments (deadmau5-sampling “Raise Your Weapon” and drum-heavy, Soundtrakk-produced “Long Way Down” feel airlifted in from other projects) that fail to pan out the way they so often did in the confines of the G-Side machine, but at just 42 minutes, these moments breeze by, with memories of the epic lowride “Swangin’” with Scarface, aerospace-ode with DJ Quik “Spaceships & Woodgrain”, and west coast boom bap throwback “NineteenEighty7” with ScHoolboy Q and Terrace Martin still rattling around your mental trunk. “Hidden” track “A-Wax” flips the boom bap to the other coast, a surprise move from Block Beattaz that makes one wonder how Stalley would sound paired with Alchemist.

Honest Cowboy isn’t one of 2013’s more notable mixtapes because it pushes anything forward. It just sounds great, and in the face of such a schizophrenic year for hip-hop releases sometimes that’s all it takes, even if the star on the cover appears more malleable and personality-less than ever. The music on Honest Cowboy requires confidence and execution more than a beloved captain, and Stalley has always been nothing if not one of indie rap’s most steady beat stewards since arriving on the DD172 scene in 2010.




7. Da Mafia 6ix - 6ix Commandments
(Scale-A-Ton)

It’s important to note that in the grand scheme of things, positioning 6ix Commandments as an appetizer is the best option. Between its numerous allusions to the late ‘90s glory days of Three 6 Mafia production (four of the ten songs here, as is Three 6 Mafia tradition, blatantly appropriate famous underground hits, with the rest unafraid to drop random snippets as well) and DJ Paul’s lingering late-career obsessions with going as heavy as possible at the expense of subtle horror, this reincarnation isn’t turning heads because they’ve released a mixtape as good as albums When the Smoke Clears, Chapter 1: The End or Underground Vol. 1. What’s attention grabbing about this mixtape is how comfortable a lot of former boardroom enemies sound having set aside their differences and committed to showing their many modern imitators how much those new stars owe these underground legends.

Crunchy Black’s been so quiet over the past decade, it’s easy to forget he laid the template for Waka Flocka Flame in 1995, while DJ Paul’s solo career so obscured by Juicy J’s co-opting of the 2 Chainz formula, it’s easy to forget that without him the entire Raider Klan ceases to exist. When you hear Koopsta Knicca lay into one of his many barely-on-time, charisma-laden raps about misogyny and drug use, let alone the sing-songy cadence of Lord Infamous, it’s hard not to run out in the streets in search of everyone wearing an A$AP Mob t-shirt and wave a CD-R of this tape in their face wildly, screaming something about how all the blueprints for that act are right here. By inviting acolytes like Memphis native J-Green and Spaceghostpurrp along (as well as frequent co-producer TWhy of California) DJ Paul makes the smart move of exposing his openly nostalgic production to new school influences, but it’s no mistake that this take ends up so self-referential and focused on wound healing.

6ix Commandments is a history lesson for folks who missed the train, or only know of Three 6 Mafia through random Juicy J ad-libs and “Stay Fly” or “Poppin’ My Collar”. For everyone else, it’s a sign that all is well in the Hypnotize Camp Posse. That alone makes this one of 2013’s very greatest mixtapes.




6. Pusha T - Wrath of Caine
(G.O.O.D. Music)

The most striking thing about Wrath of Caine is probably how proudly it wears the influences of Max B and Future on its sleeve. “Trust You” says it’s performed by Kevin Gates, but try to tell any blind listener that’s not Future. The same goes for “Blocka”, an album highlight produced by Young Chop that has St. Thomas dancehall deejay Popcaan getting chopped and screwed into a very Future/Young Scooter type of melodic haze. On paper, it looks like Pusha’s just trying to fit in with the people he paved the way for. Even accepting that premise, Wrath of Caine proves over and over that Pusha T is back to having more fun with basic gangster bragging than everybody else doing what Wrath of Caine does. Like the mixtape Pusha of old, he tends to be an exceptional bully whenever he decides to play along with his peers.

It’s sometime during Pusha T’s last verse on “Millions”, the second track of his second solo mixtape, that you’ll probably make an important decision. Important in relation to this ZIP file, anyway. Are you the sort that demands an artist grow with the times, or more so within themselves? Because if you’re the former, then Wrath of Caine is an easy sell. Unlike the somewhat tepid Fear of God tape released two years ago when Pusha T first signed with Kanye West‘s G.O.O.D. Music, this right here is some free music that proves there’s life for Terrence Thornton outside the confines of his Virginia duo, Clipse, and the prideful guidance of Pharrell Williams. The verse that he delivers there is so full of that vintage Pusha Ton fire that you’ll be immediately swept up in the idea of 37 minutes of new Pusha T music.




5. Action Bronson & Party Supplies - Blue Chips 2
(Vice)

To these ears, the original Blue Chips existed as little more than novelty, a tape taking from Statik Selektah’s 24 Hour EP series (wherein an artist and producer lock themselves in a studio for an entire day and walk out with a completed project), but sagged under the weight of the rushed nature of attempting to create a full project under such circumstances. But whether Party Supplies have gotten more confident as producers or Action Bronson as unflappable in the studio as he’s always sounded on record, Blue Chips 2 only added to the internet legend that has become Bronson’s last two years. Rapping over everything from Phil Collins to radio jingles to Tracy Chapman, Bronson’s task here appeared to be finding humor in whatever layer of his subconscious that he could. Rapping for comedy has always been, for whatever reason, a bit of a fleeting affair most rappers hold close to their chest for fear of running out of jokes too soon in their career. Bronson is not that guy; his one-liners rapid fire across soundwaves like an Anthony Jeselnik special without the mean spirit, a series of non sequiturs intended purely to bring joy to your heart through aloof misogyny and wrestler-as-food metaphors. In a year brimming with quality gangster rap, perhaps more than there has been since the G-Unit heyday, it’s refreshing to have a guy like Bronson out there, constantly throwing rap back to the late ‘90s with his delivery, while embracing the culture of the internet more brazenly than anyone else rapping in 2013. Blue Chips 2 would have been the tape you brought out to barbecues and swimming pools had it released earlier in the year; keep it in mind when the warmth comes back around.




4. Freddie Gibbs - ESGN
(ESGN)

When I originally reviewed this release, I opened with a sentence I can’t help but paraphrase here: Freddie Gibbs’ career has turned problematic as he’s realized how good he is at his job. During his brief signing to Young Jeezy’s Corporate Thugz Entertainment, what would have seemed to be exactly the boost his career needed became instead an effort in turning Gibbs into an Atlanta rapper. The results were consistently quality, but rarely transcendent in the way Gibbs’ earlier independent work had been. ESGN existed primarily to declare his independence, then, shifting his focus to a mostly Los Angeles-based production roster and inviting all his old friends from Gary, Indiana and pre-Midwestboxframecadillacmuzik mixtapes to remind the world of the vitality of a gangster rap posse showcase.

It worked. Whether it was “9mm” acting as an ode to the chillingly melodic death chants of Bone Thugs-n-Harmony, “Have U Seen Her?” emulating the sing-songy stress rap of Kevin Gates, “Eastside Moonwalker” giving listeners a glimpse at what lowriders might look like on Mars ,or “Freddie Soprano” making the great point that we could all be doing a little more to keep the dream of ‘90s boom bap alive, ESGN didn’t always make the argument that Gibbs was freed from the shackles placed upon him under the Atlantic Records umbrella. But much like The Miseducation of Freddie Gibbs and Midwestgangsta…, Gibbs sounded undeniably invigorated for making music again, which almost by default places ESGN in the Must Hear bin.




3. Curren$y - New Jet City
(Jet Life Recordings)

Like most Curren$y projects these days, New Jet City did not initially feel like it would connect on all its jabs and hooks. Released in early February, Curren$y sounded more polished than ever, and his subtle transition into more of a mob boss character à la Nino Brown seemed like a strange play for a rapper at the forefront of the mixtape scene’s jazz rap revival. But one can only resist the charms of Juvenile on “Bitch Get Up” for so long, or the way Lex Luger finds a fur coat groove in XXXL white-tee menace on “Coolie in the Cut”. New Jet City slowly revealed itself to be the first Curren$y project that wasn’t just stocked with quality beats and rhymes from front to end, but a genuine singles factory were Curren$y positioned in that way. “Choosin’” and “These Bitches” in particular could have played nice with anything else on gangsta rap radio over the summer.





2. Curren$y & Young Roddy - Bales
(Jet Life Recordings)


But it wasn’t until Curren$y’s collaborative tape with protégé Young Roddy near the end of the summer that it was confirmed that the kid had dominated the mixtape scene for another year. Bales was a brief, 33-minute smoke session that brought back the Jet Life jazz sound and proved Young Roddy had grown into a more than formidable complement to Curren$y, providing a proper energetic counterpoint to Curren$y’s drawl. In many ways, these two projects were two of the least surprising of the year, but Curren$y’s is a formula that’s long since proven surprises may be a bit overrated. Whether at the peak of summer fun or the valley of winter doldrums, Curren$y’s projects have once again proven to trade in a consistency that few rappers can equal, past or present.




1. Troy Ave - New York City
(BSB Records)

Troy Ave is a guy who wears his influences on his sleeves, jeans, and fitted caps, so unabashedly proud of them he sounds exuberant to be so approximate to them even as he attempts to project menace with his lyricism and inflection. New York City can’t help but encapsulate that feeling as a result, the bittersweet torrid love affair with the hood that birthed New York classics like Get Rich or Die Tryin’ and H.N.I.C. in the early 2000s. Troy Ave co-opts the snarl of Pusha T, but he’s a cub among lions in that arena. His sing-songy, who-gives-a-damn flow brings to mind vintage 50 Cent, a love-him-or-hate-him persona who still values rapping as an art form. At times, he comes off like a Skyzoo that skipped the bus to school every morning to chase women and money, all nasally threats redirected from personal fortune and positivity to cocaine bricks and belt buckles.

“I Know Why You Mad” is so, so, so the heyday of New York mixtape singles it’s hard not to believe in flux capacitors. Seriously, all that G-Unit swagger married to Dipset-level ad-libbing coming from one dude? New York City‘s a place where Prodigy feels comfortable calling someone a “warm heart” as an insult, but Ave can refer to his falling in love with a stripper as an “epic fail” and neither feels out of place. “Regretful” is 30 percent down the road to a gangsta rap “Runaway”, at least until an ab-libbed vocal outré that quickly devolves into playground clowning. It’s a cold place, but there’s a showmanship to the coldness that makes it feel like home, leaves the listener confused as to how this style so gloriously flamed out in response to game changers like King, Graduation, and Tha Carter III. By the time “Hot Out” comes around with it’s Wildstyle beat and Troy Ave rapping like Monsta Island Czars gemstone Gigan, all bets are off. New York City becomes less a hollow imitation, and more one of the mainstream’s very coolest attempts to make older styles of hip-hop seem as relevant as it’s been in a long time.

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"This is the streets, and I am the trap." © Jay Bilas
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I'm not a big mixtape guy but
Dec 30th 2013
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probably the wrong site to ask this on but....anyone heard Fab new
Dec 30th 2013
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it's funny u ask about that Fab. I just got done listening to it
Dec 30th 2013
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      thanks
Dec 30th 2013
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Chris Dave's was pretty excellent!
Dec 30th 2013
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A few additions in no particular order
Dec 30th 2013
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RE: A few additions in no particular order
Dec 30th 2013
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      RE: A few additions in no particular order
Dec 30th 2013
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           sub-sub-reply!
Dec 31st 2013
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           RE: sub-sub-sub-reply!
Dec 31st 2013
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           will do...I'll report back
Dec 31st 2013
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my method vis a vis mixtapes
Dec 30th 2013
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dark lo life of a crook vol 2
Dec 31st 2013
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ESGN was an album
Dec 31st 2013
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thanks
Dec 31st 2013
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      i guess a mixtape doesn't necesarily mean 'collection of loosies'
Dec 31st 2013
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      I guess Pinata is the "real" album...
Jan 01st 2014
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I honestly thought half of these were "albums"
Dec 31st 2013
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my criteria was basically, if you can get it on livemixtapes
Dec 31st 2013
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Here's my list.
Dec 31st 2013
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Krit King remembered in time
Dec 31st 2013
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I like the new Quan tape more
Jan 02nd 2014
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a list
Dec 31st 2013
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Forgot about Future
Dec 31st 2013
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Just off the top of my head...
Dec 31st 2013
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RE: Just off the top of my head...
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      RE: Just off the top of my head...
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1. "I'm not a big mixtape guy but"
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these three stayed in rotation

Big KRIT - King Remembered In Time
Flatbush ZOMBiES - BetterOffDEAD
Stalley - Honest Cowboy

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mixtape?
shit been getting a lot of buzz like it's a classic or something

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3. "it's funny u ask about that Fab. I just got done listening to it"
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it's a dope project. def worth listening to at least one time the whole way thru. then u can make your opinion on what songs you want to go back & listen to again. here goes the link to stream it:

http://www.livemixtapes.com/mixtapes/25360/fabolous-the-soul-tape-3.html

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1. Tree: Sunday School 2
2. Vince Staples: Stolen Youth
3. Lloyd Banks: Failure's No Option
4. Killa Kyleon: Lean on Me
5. Retch and King Thelonous: Polo Sporting Goods
6. Willie The Kid: Aquamarine
7. Mr Muthafuckin Exquire: Kismet
8. Flatbush Zombies: BetterOffDead
9. Kevin Gates: Luca Brasa Story
10. Fabolous: Soul Tape 3
11. Maxo Kream: Quicc Strikes

  

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>1. Tree: Sunday School 2

While I really enjoyed this, dude ran out of steam.

>2. Vince Staples: Stolen Youth

I slept on this.

>4. Killa Kyleon: Lean on Me

Strong, slept on entry.

>5. Retch and King Thelonous: Polo Sporting Goods

Retchy bitin' Roc Marci too much.

>6. Willie The Kid: Aquamarine

Shit this AND Somewhere were personal classics.

>7. Mr Muthafuckin Exquire: Kismet

A great project, and the remix one was good too.


>8. Flatbush Zombies: BetterOffDead

Their best work yet.

>10. Fabolous: Soul Tape 3

Finally rocked it last night, surprisingly very good.

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>>1. Tree: Sunday School 2
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>While I really enjoyed this, dude ran out of steam.

It could've def been 3-4 songs shorter but his sound is so engaging to me.

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>>2. Vince Staples: Stolen Youth
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>I slept on this

The Mac Miller name scared people off I think. Shame.

>>4. Killa Kyleon: Lean on Me
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>Strong, slept on entry.

Kyleon just needs to release more projects.


>>5. Retch and King Thelonous: Polo Sporting Goods
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>Retchy bitin' Roc Marci too much.

Twas more Mobb Deep-influenced to my ears. Not sure about Retch as a lyricist but the beats were fucking great on this.


>>6. Willie The Kid: Aquamarine
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>Shit this AND Somewhere were personal classics.

Im looking forward to WTK projects more than Ghostface at this point.

>>10. Fabolous: Soul Tape 3
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>Finally rocked it last night, surprisingly very good.

Give the Lloyd Banks tape a listen too.

  

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>>>1. Tree: Sunday School 2
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>>While I really enjoyed this, dude ran out of steam.
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>It could've def been 3-4 songs shorter but his sound is so
>engaging to me.


I'm with Mash. It was going to hit #10 on this list for the longest time (assuming I continued leaving KRIT and Chance off of it) but at the last minute I decided that if the Patriarch was available on livemixtapes, I was going to ignore all the signs that pointed towards it being an album and slot it in at #9. But I would have felt weird about it because I had oodles more fun with Trap God 2...there is definitely something to Tree's sound, but I don't think he's nailed it yet.


>>>2. Vince Staples: Stolen Youth
>>
>>I slept on this
>
>The Mac Miller name scared people off I think. Shame.


It was ok, from what I remember back when it dropped.


>>>4. Killa Kyleon: Lean on Me
>>
>>Strong, slept on entry.
>
>Kyleon just needs to release more projects.


He's actually released quite a few IMO, but I think I also conflate him with L.E.$. Dude is definitely one of the most consistent presences on my "oh man why'd I skip over that?" list every year.


>>>5. Retch and King Thelonous: Polo Sporting Goods
>>
>>Retchy bitin' Roc Marci too much.
>
>Twas more Mobb Deep-influenced to my ears. Not sure about
>Retch as a lyricist but the beats were fucking great on this.


Didn't have time to hear it before the list was submitted.



>>>6. Willie The Kid: Aquamarine
>>
>>Shit this AND Somewhere were personal classics.
>
>Im looking forward to WTK projects more than Ghostface at this
>point.


Willie seems fine to me but I don't get the extreme hype he's seeming to get the past 6 months.



>>>10. Fabolous: Soul Tape 3
>>
>>Finally rocked it last night, surprisingly very good.
>
>Give the Lloyd Banks tape a listen too.
>

Dropped after list was submitted, not even sure I've listened to the first Soul Tape though. I feel like when I want to hear this style of rap mixtape, I'll go for Jadakiss or Styles P. Or, assuming New York City is a sign of what's to come (I need to check that White Christmas 2!) Troy Ave might take that belt swift.


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17. "RE: sub-sub-sub-reply!"
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>
>>>>4. Killa Kyleon: Lean on Me
>>>
>>>Strong, slept on entry.
>>
>>Kyleon just needs to release more projects.

I kinda want him to release projects at a Curren$y pace. Theres something about his "one release a year" schedule that doesn't make a big impression


>
>He's actually released quite a few IMO, but I think I also
>conflate him with L.E.$. Dude is definitely one of the most
>consistent presences on my "oh man why'd I skip over that?"
>list every year.

LE$ let me down with Gran Turismo though.

  

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>Give the Lloyd Banks tape a listen too.
>

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7. "my method vis a vis mixtapes"
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I don't listen to any mixtape by an artist I've never heard of, but if the tape gets good buzz I might check their NEXT tape and peep the back catalogs then. Good system, or am I likely missing out on some great artists. That being said it looks like its time to check out Willie the kid.

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11. "dark lo life of a crook vol 2"
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local philly drug rapper
http://youtu.be/HyNnns1w5ew
couple aight songs on the tape but a lot of the beats are banging

def going check out that killa kyeleon tape. he had a verse on maybe my favorite wiz khalifa song

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12. "ESGN was an album"
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it wasn't free
it leaked

  

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14. "thanks"
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but


David Amidon
18 Nov
I'm handling a first ever Best Mixtapes of 2013 list for PopMatters and I can't figure out if y'all consider ESGN a tape or not.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
Hey. The definition of a tape is pretty fuzzy. Midwestboxframe wasn't really a tape if u think about it. It was free, but was all original.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
Same with BFK and most of our projects really. ESGN isn't necessarily an album either as its not really Freddie's official debut.

David Amidon
18 Nov
Exactly where I'm at with this feature. Essentially, I feel like artists consider mixtapes a little "less" than albums.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
We think of it as our "thug life" which was really a 2pac album but also wasn't a compilation.

David Amidon
18 Nov
But if you all are cool with it being called a mixtape, it's on the list.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
I mean to be honest, Freddie and drake were the first two artists to drop free albums. So far gone and miseducation/Midwest.

David Amidon
18 Nov
And at the end of the day, Thug Life was fucking great.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
So u can definitely call it a mixtape if its gonna give it some shine.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
100% agree. Has some of the greatest PAC songs in my favorite era of PAC.

David Amidon
18 Nov
Man, I am with you on that. I consider 2008/2009 the real budding of this whole scene. Gibbs, Drake, Cole, KRIT, all on the forefront.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
Freddie And drake did it, then u had the 2nd wave with krit, cole, TDE etc

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
Cocaine Piñata is gonna be Freddie's real debut album, which is crazy cuz no one would have ever expected that

David Amidon
18 Nov
I just wanted to check with you because the lines are so blurred these days. Free LPs, Free EPs, Free Albums. I don't want to offend.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
But Ice Cubes debut was produced by Bomb Squad from the east coast, so sometimes magic happens that way unexpectedly

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
No offense at all man. We were kind of annoyed people were trying to make it into Freddie's "debut"

David Amidon
18 Nov
I mean to me, Midwestgangsta....was THAT ALBUM in 2009. But it had the Skee tags. Plus the NO DJ cut. Y'all make it hard sometimes, lol.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
Lol. Well a lot of that material was owned by Interscope and they were just going to sit on it forever.

David Amidon
18 Nov
Especially with the fact he had been on tape sites and such from 2006 onward. It's hard to tell how to put things in categories.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
And if that had happened Freddie wouldn't be rich today, so we had to drop it free and go with it

David Amidon
18 Nov
Maybe some #whiteboyshit.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
It's the Wild West really, and categories just make things easier for people to comprehend. But u can call all of this whatever u want haha.

LAMBOLAMBO
18 Nov
The Madlib shit is definitely not a mixtape tho. U don't work on a mixtape for 4 years lol


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16. "i guess a mixtape doesn't necesarily mean 'collection of loosies'"
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or 'me rappin over other peoples beats' to me anymore

  

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24. "I guess Pinata is the "real" album..."
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because it'll be getting a full physical release. I have a feeling they lost the "Cocaine" part of the title so Best Buy/Wal-Mart/Target will carry it.

  

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13. "I honestly thought half of these were "albums""
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At least just about all of these that I've heard: Troy Ave., Stalley, Freddie Gibbs, Cuuren$y, etc. I guess I thought Blue Chips 2 was a mix tape, but I'm not sure what differentiates it from any of the others. Is it because they're free? In that case, is Run the Jewels a mixtape? Is it availability on Datpiff? It's all beyond murky now.

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15. "my criteria was basically, if you can get it on livemixtapes"
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then the artist is giving you pretty direct incentive to call it a mixtape, even if it's essentially n album. I addressed that a little in my open.


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http://www.thecouchsessions.com/2013/12/music-best-of-2013-the-mixtape-edition/

To cut to the chase I put Tree at #1...I just think it was masterfully put together


10) Zebra Katz – DRKLNG. Zebra Katz easily had the best song of 2012 but it was such a left field hit with a singular sound you would figure he would have faded away in 2013. Katz wisely stayed away fro the dirty house sound that gave him his first hit and ramped up on experimenting and vibe. Just like the title alludes to, it’s a dark trip, but a worthwhile one.

9) Young Thug – 1017 Thug. Easily the worst name in the world where I thought it was a parody. As you can guess, the album is filled with the shoot em up, bang bang that all the kids love nowadays. However, I can’t stress just how weird this thing is. He’s cut from the same cloth as the legion of singer/rapper’s that popped out of the woodwork since Drake became famous and autotune became popular. But he’s got songs named after Pokemon, his rapping style is more like a ten year old yelping, and he warbles over tracks like a pre-pubescent Old Dirty Bastard. On paper it should be horrible but it’s an addicting listen.

8) Action Bronson & Party Supplies – Blue Chips 2. The original Blue Chips was Action Bronson’s breakthrough mixtape, and the sequel is pretty lazy in comparison. The samples sound like they were taken wholesale from a ‘This Is 80’s Pop” compilation, Bronson, normally a gifted storyteller, can’t even keep on subject even through a bar. But it’s the funniest thing I have heart this year, from the Phil Collins sample tribute that is “Contemporary Man” to lines like “I trained a dolphin to let the slammer off like Dolph Lundgren”. The fun they had making this record is infectious and makes me smile every time I put it on..

7) Kelela – Cut For Me. While Aaliyah was never the strongest singer her vocal style and innovative dance focused production (thanks to Timbaland) has influenced generations of pop r&b scarlet’s since her death. While have been plenty of singers who made careers biting the R&B side of her career but not many were able to pull off the dance side. Kelela’s traffics in that lane and spins it to weird places where tracks “Do It Again” sounds like the aliens have landed.

6) The Underachievers – Indigoism. 90’s revivalism is popular across the board from geriatric alternative rock reunions to the snooze fest that is Joey Bada$$’s current career. It’s apparent the Underachivers are big fans of the era also but they aren’t beholden to it. They twist the sounds into something their own…an unusual mix of hippie mysticism meets NYC boom bap. Plus it helps that its very apparent they love rapping rapping with the way they cram as much words as they can within their bars.

5) Da Mafia 6ix – 6ix Commandments. At one time Three 6 Mafia rivaled the Wu-Tang’s numbers as far as members and affiliates were concerned until the mid aughts. A reunion album like this shouldn’t work considering it’s been over a decade since some of them worked together but DJ Paul wisely kept the sound to the sinister devil rap that made them famous in the 90’s. While some members of the old guard are content just to release old shit, Da Mafia 6ix showed they are still masters at the angry tap sound they created.

4) Arca – &&&&&. He helped out Kanye on Yeezus, he produced 2013 breakout star FKA Twig’s EP, and he even staged a piece of performance art with NYC’s Museum of Modern Art. The piece he performed there was his mixtape &&&&&, which is a place where Snoop Dogg samples crash against beats so loud, urgent and smart they feel sentient.

3) Chance The Rapper – Acid Rap. Chance became best friends with James Blake, played a guitar solo on Donald Glover’s Childish Gambino album and sold out pretty much every show he played in 2013. There’s a reason why people like this guy and Acid Rap showcases why: underneath his unusual off beat sing/song flow, soulful beat selection, and tales of Chicago street woes is a 20 year old just trying to sort shit out and get by just like the rest of us.

2) Run The Jewels – Run The Jewels. El-P and Killer Mike turned built on their 2012 collaborations into a full fledged rap group in 2013. Killer Mike’s vocals hit you like Muhammed Ali punches with effortlessly smooth violence and El-P’s aggressive production comes in and cleans up the mess afterwards along with his snark-filled commentary. It’s hip-hop that knocks.

1) Tree – Sunday School II: When Church Lets Out. Tree calls his music, “Soul Trap” but really it’s cutting it short trying to give it a label. Tree’s got a raspy voice that sounds like someone’s old southern Uncle and he uses it to great effect; it lends his stories a gravitas even when he’s joking around. You can here the desperation to tell his story in his voice; Tree raps not because he wants to but because he has to.

  

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19. "Krit King remembered in time "
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MIgos -YRN
Peewee longway-running da lobby
Chance the rapper-Acid Rap
Vince staples and mac miller-Stolen youth
Run the jewels
Future-FreeBirdGang
Propain-riding slab
Rich homie quan-STill going in reloaded



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27. "I like the new Quan tape more"
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Dude still sounds like Future but his songs are undeniable.

  

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Gucci Mane - Trap God 2 (everything really but that stands out)
Future - FBG The Movie
Travis Scott - Owl Pharaoh
Chance The Rapper - Acid Rap
Action Bronson - Blue Chips 2
Pusha T - Wrath Of Caine
Flatbush Zombies - BetterOffDEAD
Lil Reese - Supa Savage
Kevin Gates - Luca Brasi Story
Migos - Young Rich Niggas
Ty Dolla Sign - Beach House 2
Action Bronson & Harry Fraud - Saab Stories
Young Thug - 1017 Thug
Currensy - New Jet City
Rockie Fresh - Electric Highway
Young Scooter - Street Lottery

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Always liked his 'poppier' hits but that tape went hard.

  

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Gucci Mane - WW3: Lean
Gucci Mane - Trap House 3
Young Thug - 1017 Thug
Roc Marciano - The Pimpire Strikes Back
Migos - Y.R.N.
Charles Hamilton - Catholic Illuminati: Infinite Psalms
LIONMMVIII - By The Gods
Travis Scott - Owl Pharoah
Milo - Cavalcade
Chance The Rapper - Acid Rap
Future - FBG: The Movie
Future - Black Woodstock
Future - No Sleep
B. Hartless - Oh, Well...
Rome Fortune - Beautiful Pimp
Hellfyre Club - Dorner vs. Tookie
Vic Mensa - INNANETAPE

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>Gucci Mane - WW3: Lean
>Gucci Mane - Trap House 3
>Young Thug - 1017 Thug

Totally refuse to listen to any of the above, sorry.

>Roc Marciano - The Pimpire Strikes Back

Wasn't that good.

>Migos - Y.R.N.

Never will listen.

>Charles Hamilton - Catholic Illuminati: Infinite Psalms

Great return to form to me.

>LIONMMVIII - By The Gods

Not hip

>Travis Scott - Owl Pharoah

I like the idea of the kid more than the music...great live, tho

>Milo - Cavalcade

Not hip

>Chance The Rapper - Acid Rap

One of the year's best.

>Future - FBG: The Movie
>Future - Black Woodstock
>Future - No Sleep

Won't do it.

>B. Hartless - Oh, Well...

Not hip

>Rome Fortune - Beautiful Pimp

This dude is DOPE

>Hellfyre Club - Dorner vs. Tookie

I still ain't cracked it open

>Vic Mensa - INNANETAPE

Might be better than Acid Rap

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>>Gucci Mane - WW3: Lean
>>Gucci Mane - Trap House 3
>>Young Thug - 1017 Thug
>
>Totally refuse to listen to any of the above, sorry.

Fair enough. I feel like Gucci's output the last 2 1/2 years has been among his best work and guys like Young Thug & Rich Homie Quan are lighting a creative fire under his ass and giving him the confidence to experiment more.

>>Roc Marciano - The Pimpire Strikes Back
>
>Wasn't that good.

I like it. Not as much as Marcberg or Reloaded, but for a mixtape I think it's above average. Marci Beaucoup is what I'm struggling with, can't get into it at all.

>>Migos - Y.R.N.
>
>Never will listen.

I actually study these guys. There's practically no content, it's nonsensical and free-associative but the flows are pretty ridiculous (in a good way).

>>Charles Hamilton - Catholic Illuminati: Infinite Psalms
>
>Great return to form to me.

Agreed. Too bad he's been blacklisted by pretty much everyone. You should check out STH 0: Rezzurection if you liked this, I think it's on DatPiff oddly enough.

>>LIONMMVIII - By The Gods
>
>Not hip

A more lyrical/thoughtful A$AP Mob? Two emcees, one from New Jersey and one from Milwaukee. Very well put together. You may enjoy this.

>>Travis Scott - Owl Pharoah
>
>I like the idea of the kid more than the music...great live,
>tho

Read a review that called it a "bonus DVD" for Yeezus and I think that's fairly accurate. Love the beats, can do without his raps. Some of the songs have that industrial vibe to them that I think is pretty cool. More interested in where he goes as a producer as opposed to his solo career, but this is a pretty cohesive record for what it's worth.

>>Milo - Cavalcade
>
>Not hip

I think you would really enjoy this.

>>Chance The Rapper - Acid Rap
>
>One of the year's best.

For sure. Tons of replay value for me.

>>Future - FBG: The Movie
>>Future - Black Woodstock
>>Future - No Sleep
>
>Won't do it.

LOL.

>>B. Hartless - Oh, Well...
>
>Not hip

Look out for this kid. Feels heavily influenced by the early 90's grunge rock movement. Equal parts Slim Shady LP & Nirvana's Nevermind. Interesting project. Charles (Hamilton) pops up as the only guest feature, but his verse is obviously freestyled and is kind of a throwaway.

>>Rome Fortune - Beautiful Pimp
>
>This dude is DOPE

I recently got put on, but this tape has been in heavy rotation over the past few weeks.

>>Hellfyre Club - Dorner vs. Tookie
>
>I still ain't cracked it open

It's hit-or-miss, honestly. Too many songs. But the ones I love (about 8 or so) I really, really love.

>>Vic Mensa - INNANETAPE
>
>Might be better than Acid Rap

Still need some more time with it. I think Acid Rap may have higher highs but this could very well be a better complete listen. Also has the only Ab-Soul verse I liked in 2013 on it, which is kind of sad because I thought Soulo had a great year in 2012 and has yet to follow up with anything I've really felt.

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