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Dr Claw
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30. "I'll say that you're both right"
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"T.R.O.Y." is held in high esteem, Pete made a purse out of a sow's ear (and even Tom Scott agrees), and for the most part, it was left alone. People sampled it, but they didn't really stray from the vibe of the song.

>I'm sorry...
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>Covers/beat jacks/ tributes
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>whatever you want to call them
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>have BEEN happening

^^^^ this is correct. Snoop has done it often. It wasn't always liked, but for the most part people didn't trip.

Black Star covered "Children's Story" and flipped it. People didn't trip.

Beanie Sigel and Memph Bleek took on EPMD's "So Whatcha Saying" respectably. Beanie also did his own take on "Beats To The Rhyme".

Cam'ron redid "Bout It Bout It". Jim Jones redid "Boyz In The Hood".

Now some extremists would have called them BITING, but each one of them put their own personal take on those songs.


>The only difference here is that its Lupe + Pete Rock
>literally crying on the web.

I don't think so here. I will acknowledge some might be like "oh, there go Lupe again..." but really, if it wasn't Lupe and someone put out THAT beat, I think Pete Rock would have still cried foul. Because even though you could easily call it a tribute, the beatmaker simply did not go far enough to make his track better than Pete's.

Pete even prefaced his comments with being a fan of Lupe. He just didn't like someone taking his idea and not doing anything dope with it. I guess you can liken that to people who don't like their work being sampled, but I think it's more like Miles Davis talking about people making wack covers of songs he wrote.

  

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does Pete's response prove there are no hip hop covers? [not accepted] [View all] , howardlloyd, Tue May-22-12 06:47 PM
 
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no especialy since T.R.O.Y has been done before
May 22nd 2012
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Mobb Deep covered Paid in Full.
May 22nd 2012
2
So did Snoop & to some degree Weezy/Fresh
May 22nd 2012
3
      to all previous posters
May 22nd 2012
4
           Mos Def - Children's Story?
May 25th 2012
36
           I don't remember Snoop catching any flack over La Di Da Di
May 25th 2012
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                he did, but only from east coast folks who hated the west
May 25th 2012
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                     RE: he did, but only from east coast folks who hated the west
May 25th 2012
42
In Tha Beginning...
May 22nd 2012
5
RE: In Tha Beginning...
May 22nd 2012
6
      we already had this discusion here
May 22nd 2012
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      RE: we already had this discusion here
May 22nd 2012
14
      For kids born in the 80's, the Def Squad joint got a lot of burn
May 22nd 2012
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      yea had a video and everything it got some play
May 22nd 2012
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      I remember
May 22nd 2012
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           RE: I remember
May 22nd 2012
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In theory I see no problem, but in reality it's almost always wack
May 22nd 2012
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RE: does Pete's response prove there are no hip hop covers? [not accepte...
May 22nd 2012
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What are some of them?
May 22nd 2012
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a hip hop artist chastising anyone for biteing/covering/sampling
May 22nd 2012
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i dont think u understand...
May 22nd 2012
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      we agree to disagree i guess
May 22nd 2012
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      nope, he's right and you're wrong, PERIOD
May 22nd 2012
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      *white flag* nm
May 22nd 2012
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      ^gets it^
May 22nd 2012
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      *sounds a gong*
May 22nd 2012
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      Covering a song was once a no-no
May 22nd 2012
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      "Everything you just said is bullsh!t"
May 22nd 2012
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           no.. you clearly don't know what the hell you're on about.
May 22nd 2012
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           Please back up your claims and I'll respond in kind n/m
May 23rd 2012
29
          
                NEW JACKS do hip hop coveers.old heads see that as bitin
May 23rd 2012
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                     which is why both of them are right.
May 23rd 2012
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                     and that's all that matters. it's rules to this shit.
May 23rd 2012
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                     Elmatic
May 25th 2012
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      RE: i dont think u understand...
May 22nd 2012
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      Ppl have been making that same dumb post u replied to for years here...
May 22nd 2012
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Assuming that the rappers being covered are getting PAID
May 22nd 2012
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No, because he consigned Elmatic
May 23rd 2012
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Pharoahe Monch's cover of P.E.'s Welcome To The Terrordome was cool. n/m
May 24th 2012
35
TROY is different from most hip hop songs...
May 25th 2012
38
lupe did "clear" it
May 25th 2012
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RE: does Pete's response prove there are no hip hop covers? [not accepte...
May 27th 2012
43
Buckshot says it can be done without biting, proves it too
May 27th 2012
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