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26. "I see you trying to compartamentalize the argument"
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>all that writing and you didn't even address what i wrote.
>there is A SOUND (Dre, Quick, DJ Pooh, Battlecat, even Muggs)
>that comes with gangsta rap, along with that content and
>image.

West coast funk is over.

West Coast G-Rap changed content the globe over, especially on the east coast.

West coast imagery change imagery the globe over. Cats that wasn't on the G-tip had to change up, see Big Daddy Kane.

>I don't know of many people who group Nas, Mobb, Wu,
>Big, ect with gangsta rap. when i think of g-rap i think of
>NWA, Ice T, Cube, Above the Law, early Snoop, Dogg Pound,
>Quick, MC Eight, Bone, ect. there is / was similarities in the
>way East and West coast emcees talked about there respective
>hoods/projects, but there was also huge differences and
>calling everything that had thug, gangsta, drugs and guns
>references is a disservice to how diverse rap music really
>is.

It's a false history that you're dealing with. Prior to NWA, those east coast dudes weren't on that shit, and would not have been on that shit.

You're not getting CREAM without Gangsta, Gangsta.

You're not getting any rap outside of NYC and LA w/o NWA.

Ain't nobody in ATL, Houston, New Orleans, Chicago, Memphis, et cetera getting signed without NWA and their brand of g-rap influencing the entire culture.

You can make little stylistic distinctions between EPMD using More Bounce and Battle Cat doing it, but when you take a view of the culture and understand the history of the culture - you can't not LOVE GANGSTA RAP.
>
>as to the second point you made, you named a bunch of rappers
>who all made music around the same time: Ice T, Schooly D,
>BDP, Rakim, NWA, PE 86-91. Dre himself speaks to how much Bomb
>Squad and PE influenced him. So please explain who rap was
>infinitely better, solely because of NWA, when they all
>created at the same moment in time.

Ice T is from LA, so I don't even know what you're trying to say here. And he's as gangsta as you get.

Too $hort was an influence and he's from the Bay, and he came ont to the national scene about the same time as NWA. As did 2 live. Neither were G's, but they also changed the course of hip hop culture. I digress.

If you look @ the albums and listen to the songs, BDP and Rakim had the imagery of hustlers, but weren't really on that gangsta shit. Same with Run DMC. Run DMC was looking like hoods as compared to the flamboyance and showmanship of Flash and Bam.

And to talka about BDP, after NWA, Krs-1 went in the opposite direction. But with gangstas out and about, he was able to both chronicle what happens when you follow that lifestyle as well as critique.

He went from my 9mm goes Bang to Love's Gonna Getcha.

None of that happens without NWA.

SOLEY BECAUSE OF NWA.

In terms of PE and the Bomb Squad, they had their moment in terms of content and production, but the culture shifted away from their militance and the production was essentially outlawed because of litigation.

Throught production, NWA/Dre brought back live instrumentation. They brought P-Funk back to prominence after chilling for a good 20 years.

The popular narrative is
>NWA changed shit, which they did, BUT when the post-golden era
>emcees are asked who are their primary influences, who always
>comes up? NWA? lol, how about Rakim and KRS One. revisionist,
>okay buddy.

Right, who's still saying that in 2011?

ASAP Rocky?
Maino?

foh.

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k. orr

  

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If you don't like Gangsta rap, you don't like hip hop? [View all] , Abstract_TheEclectic_Nubian, Fri Dec-09-11 11:53 PM
 
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RE: Also: if you like Morrissey, you're homosexual.
Dec 10th 2011
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Sure
Dec 10th 2011
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      RE: Sorry.
Dec 10th 2011
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           It's cool, I see were you were going with it
Dec 10th 2011
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I think what they were getting at is that
Dec 10th 2011
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lol @ "the best"
Dec 11th 2011
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      I MEAN HUGE LOL
Dec 11th 2011
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      It hasn't been?
Dec 11th 2011
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           lol thats all you can think of? LOL
Dec 11th 2011
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                Oh no of course not
Dec 11th 2011
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                     I am aware that there is some uneveness
Dec 12th 2011
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The OP in that thread has said he doesn't like hip hop
Dec 10th 2011
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he didnt say that
Dec 10th 2011
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He just said it wasn't his favorite genre
Dec 11th 2011
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Well, now that we know Hip Hop heads agree with him, now what?
Dec 11th 2011
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when did I say that?
Dec 11th 2011
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That notion is bullshit. Plain and simple.
Dec 11th 2011
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How can you not like Nas, Wu Tang, and Mobb Deep?
Dec 11th 2011
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thats the thing
Dec 11th 2011
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      I always like this revisionist history
Dec 11th 2011
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      !?!!
Dec 11th 2011
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           good grief you seem to not know how to read
Dec 11th 2011
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                You can't really be this dense
Dec 11th 2011
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                     ohh my head
Dec 11th 2011
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           lol @ Mobb Deep not being 'gangster rap'
Dec 11th 2011
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                nah, i love that shit fam
Dec 11th 2011
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                     all good & Streetz Iz A Mutha is indeed great
Dec 11th 2011
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      If the Mobb wasn't nihilist, idk what is
Dec 11th 2011
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      very true
Dec 11th 2011
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      Do you even know what I mean by gangsta?
Dec 11th 2011
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           i think you meant to reply to K_Orr
Dec 11th 2011
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           Yeah I meant that for K_Orr
Dec 11th 2011
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           so you don't like the nihilism and lack of silver lining of Mobb Deep
Dec 11th 2011
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                basically.
Dec 11th 2011
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                RE: so you don't like the nihilism and lack of silver lining of Mobb Dee...
Dec 11th 2011
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                     Wow
Dec 11th 2011
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                     I listen to quite a bit of stuff
Dec 12th 2011
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                     Respect.
Dec 11th 2011
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                          lulz at bad taste being "respectable."
Dec 12th 2011
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                               Thats subjective
Dec 12th 2011
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                                    no.
Dec 12th 2011
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                                         Foh
Dec 12th 2011
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If you don't like indie acid jazz step...
Dec 11th 2011
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I hate those distinctions. One can argue that there's
Dec 11th 2011
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Yeah, but who are we kidding?
Dec 11th 2011
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People are being silly in this thread...
Dec 11th 2011
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my man
Dec 11th 2011
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I swear some ppl think Street/hood automatically = Gangsta
Dec 12th 2011
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RE: People are being silly in this thread...
Dec 11th 2011
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If you don't like gangsta rap, you don't like Funk
Dec 11th 2011
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That's a stupid thing to say too though...
Dec 11th 2011
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Thats also not true at ALL
Dec 11th 2011
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Can you explain? Because that just sounds straight dumb.
Dec 11th 2011
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seriously?
Dec 12th 2011
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