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2638297, I see you trying to compartamentalize the argument
Posted by k_orr, Sun Dec-11-11 03:05 PM
>all that writing and you didn't even address what i wrote.
>there is A SOUND (Dre, Quick, DJ Pooh, Battlecat, even Muggs)
>that comes with gangsta rap, along with that content and
>image.

West coast funk is over.

West Coast G-Rap changed content the globe over, especially on the east coast.

West coast imagery change imagery the globe over. Cats that wasn't on the G-tip had to change up, see Big Daddy Kane.

>I don't know of many people who group Nas, Mobb, Wu,
>Big, ect with gangsta rap. when i think of g-rap i think of
>NWA, Ice T, Cube, Above the Law, early Snoop, Dogg Pound,
>Quick, MC Eight, Bone, ect. there is / was similarities in the
>way East and West coast emcees talked about there respective
>hoods/projects, but there was also huge differences and
>calling everything that had thug, gangsta, drugs and guns
>references is a disservice to how diverse rap music really
>is.

It's a false history that you're dealing with. Prior to NWA, those east coast dudes weren't on that shit, and would not have been on that shit.

You're not getting CREAM without Gangsta, Gangsta.

You're not getting any rap outside of NYC and LA w/o NWA.

Ain't nobody in ATL, Houston, New Orleans, Chicago, Memphis, et cetera getting signed without NWA and their brand of g-rap influencing the entire culture.

You can make little stylistic distinctions between EPMD using More Bounce and Battle Cat doing it, but when you take a view of the culture and understand the history of the culture - you can't not LOVE GANGSTA RAP.
>
>as to the second point you made, you named a bunch of rappers
>who all made music around the same time: Ice T, Schooly D,
>BDP, Rakim, NWA, PE 86-91. Dre himself speaks to how much Bomb
>Squad and PE influenced him. So please explain who rap was
>infinitely better, solely because of NWA, when they all
>created at the same moment in time.

Ice T is from LA, so I don't even know what you're trying to say here. And he's as gangsta as you get.

Too $hort was an influence and he's from the Bay, and he came ont to the national scene about the same time as NWA. As did 2 live. Neither were G's, but they also changed the course of hip hop culture. I digress.

If you look @ the albums and listen to the songs, BDP and Rakim had the imagery of hustlers, but weren't really on that gangsta shit. Same with Run DMC. Run DMC was looking like hoods as compared to the flamboyance and showmanship of Flash and Bam.

And to talka about BDP, after NWA, Krs-1 went in the opposite direction. But with gangstas out and about, he was able to both chronicle what happens when you follow that lifestyle as well as critique.

He went from my 9mm goes Bang to Love's Gonna Getcha.

None of that happens without NWA.

SOLEY BECAUSE OF NWA.

In terms of PE and the Bomb Squad, they had their moment in terms of content and production, but the culture shifted away from their militance and the production was essentially outlawed because of litigation.

Throught production, NWA/Dre brought back live instrumentation. They brought P-Funk back to prominence after chilling for a good 20 years.

The popular narrative is
>NWA changed shit, which they did, BUT when the post-golden era
>emcees are asked who are their primary influences, who always
>comes up? NWA? lol, how about Rakim and KRS One. revisionist,
>okay buddy.

Right, who's still saying that in 2011?

ASAP Rocky?
Maino?

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