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Boogie Stimuli
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""You can't be pro-Black and hate straight Black men" - firestorm ensues"


          

This is the original tweet:
https://twitter.com/TorraineWalker/status/1306201341837152256
(You can't be pro-Black and hate straight Black men.)

He subsequently tweeted this video about some of the responses to the video:
https://twitter.com/TorraineWalker/status/1306587069330993152
(It addresses the fact that Black people who work in academia and media saying they hate Black men and why that's disturbing.)


He then wrote the following on his site:

Divided Houses.
PUBLISHED SEPTEMBER 23, 2020 by TORRAINE WALKER

One tweet in support of Black men ignited a social media firestorm. Time to explore the conditions and mindsets that made anti-Black misandry acceptable.

Last Wednesday morning I made a statement on Twitter:
You can't be pro-Black and hate straight Black men

It was not said to ignore or attack any other part of the Black collective. It was a straightforward response to the hostility I see thrown at straight Black men on social media. I thought nothing more of it until my phone began to buzz later that afternoon. By the end of the day, the tweet had gone viral. A week later, and that ten-word tweet has been seen by nearly a million people, liberating some, enraging others, exposed the true feelings of many Black gatekeepers, and sparked a conversation about the status of Black men in social justice and political spaces.

That conversation is long overdue, because the attitudes towards Black men in those spaces is poisonous.

Spend any time on Black twitter-especially the section known as “woke” twitter-and you will see a pattern emerge. At least twice a week, someone will post something slanderous about straight Black men that will go viral within hours. It is not harmless banter between men and women, but false statements about our collective guilt and wishes for straight Black men to die, usually by police violence. When challenged, the people doing this default to talking points stitched together from bits and pieces of the work of bell hooks and Kimberlé Crenshaw and half-remembered gender studies lectures or some canned slander about straight Black men as a group being the weak or homophobic when the truth doesn’t match the rhetoric.

It’s easy to create a narrative on social media, all you need are the right buzzwords and you’re in business. The dominant narrative when it comes to straight Black men is that they’re all useless at best and privileged, potential predators at worst.

But the data doesn’t bear this out:

Black men and boys are at the bottom of every American socioeconomic metric. A Black man is twice as likely to be stopped by police than a black woman, and Black men have a 1 in 3 chance of being in prison at some point in their lives, compared to a 1 in 18 chance for Black women.

Black men make up 34% of America’s jail and prison inmates while Black women make up 29%.

The numbers from the National Institute of Health’s Intimate Partner Violence study paint a mutually unpleasant picture with 45% of Black women and 40% of Black men surveyed reporting sexual violence physical abuse or stalking by an intimate partner.

Between 2014 and 2019 1,608 Black men have been killed during encounters with police. In the same time period, 46 Black women have been killed.

None of this is meant to disregard the pain of those who suffered trauma by individual Black men, but these are the actions of individuals, not a collective. To claim otherwise plays into the hands of the white supremacists these “pro-Black” people claim to be fighting.

One of the most disturbing reactions to the tweet was seeing people who have jobs in news, academia and politics agreeing with people who said they hate Black men. What are they teaching the students they’ve been educating? How are news stories about issues affecting Black people being shaped? What does it say that these people feel secure enough to spout hateful, dangerous rhetoric with no fear of professional consequences?

When it comes to Black males, social media is proof of Malcolm X’s quote about how the media will have you hating the oppressed and loving the oppressor. The rapid-fire nature of information delivery in that space means that it doesn’t matter if something is true as long people want to believe it.

There are predatory and toxic men in the Black community. There are toxic women and LGBTQ individuals in the Black community. But the collective can’t be demonized for the actions of individuals. Predators need to be held accountable and it is tragic that damaged people are further victimized by opportunists ready to exploit their pain. But an even greater tragedy would be to allow the lies about straight Black men to go unchallenged and become the baseline for young Black men looking for information about themselves.

https://contextmediagroup.com/divided-houses/?utm_content=bufferbd12c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer


What are the OKP thoughts on this?



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"You can't be pro-Black and hate straight Black men" - firestorm ensues [View all] , Boogie Stimuli, Wed Sep-23-20 11:19 AM
 
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seems pretty cut and dry to me
Sep 23rd 2020
1
Yeah...
Sep 23rd 2020
8
Twitter is fucking disgusting
Sep 23rd 2020
11
Co-sign
Sep 23rd 2020
37
There's valid critiques to be made about black men.
Sep 23rd 2020
2
grand opening, grand closing.
Sep 23rd 2020
3
You could apply this in any direction...
Sep 23rd 2020
7
there's valid critiques about black women, too. And?
Sep 23rd 2020
12
      I think I answered the "and" in the reply.
Sep 23rd 2020
14
      RE: there's valid critiques about black women, too. And?
Sep 23rd 2020
38
RE: There's valid critiques to be made about black men.
Sep 23rd 2020
9
      ^^^^
Sep 23rd 2020
10
      Im not stating these things as an attack. Im a man too.
Sep 23rd 2020
15
           Damon Young author of "black ppl of white ppl" is a man too.
Sep 23rd 2020
18
                Yeah, fuck that article. The "white ppl of black ppl" rhetoric is lazy
Sep 23rd 2020
19
                RE: Yeah, fuck that article. The "white ppl of black ppl" rhetoric is la...
Sep 23rd 2020
40
                "That doesn't justify vilifying all Black men "
Sep 23rd 2020
25
      I understand the first instinct is to dispute what im saying.
Sep 23rd 2020
13
           RE: I understand the first instinct is to dispute what im saying.
Sep 23rd 2020
16
           Where are the attacks in my posts?
Sep 23rd 2020
21
           I'm not speaking about media, or rappers
Sep 23rd 2020
42
                The goal post is getting you to see things outside of your experience.
Sep 23rd 2020
46
                     Black people.
Sep 23rd 2020
47
                          I understand the myth of the black brute is an open wound for us.
Sep 24th 2020
50
           people who are of no consequence to anyone anywhere
Sep 23rd 2020
27
           I understand the first instinct is to demonize Black men
Sep 23rd 2020
17
                You're still stuck in a binary thought process.
Sep 23rd 2020
22
                     No, you're stuck on thinking your personal awakening is new to
Sep 23rd 2020
39
                          Nothing i said was vilifying.
Sep 24th 2020
51
                               You defined us according to degeneracy and deviants
Sep 24th 2020
53
                                    That didnt happen friend.
Sep 24th 2020
56
                                         So there's no reply #2 ?
Sep 24th 2020
60
                                              props.
Sep 24th 2020
75
                                              Because of power dynamics.
Sep 24th 2020
76
                                              Please elaborate
Sep 25th 2020
88
                                              LOL. I love it when you lie so obviously
Sep 24th 2020
83
Overall, OKP seems to hate black men, as well as traditional masculinity
Sep 23rd 2020
4
Basically
Sep 23rd 2020
5
Much like "traditional masculinity," the willie lynch letter isnt real.
Sep 23rd 2020
6
how do you define traditional masculinity?
Sep 23rd 2020
20
"Traditional masculinity" is contextual, so it really depends...
Sep 25th 2020
93
      so you agree that the definition of masculinity is flexible. yes i like ...
Sep 25th 2020
103
      what version of that does OKP hate?
Sep 25th 2020
162
it's very interesting that the "traditional masculinity" right winger
Sep 23rd 2020
23
nobody hates straight black men.
Sep 23rd 2020
24
"firestorm ensues" LOL. a bunch of bots on a tweet
Sep 23rd 2020
26
lol.
Sep 25th 2020
92
      the only people discussing this are the circle of youtube losers boogie
Sep 25th 2020
108
Niggas are one trash-can emoji away
Sep 23rd 2020
28
delete
Sep 24th 2020
58
the male ego is so fragile.
Sep 23rd 2020
29
Have that same energy for the "YOU HATE BLACK WOMEN" crowd
Sep 23rd 2020
30
there is no YOU HATE BLACK WOMEN crowd following you.
Sep 23rd 2020
33
As it should be, this is America.
Sep 24th 2020
49
In your opinion what Group of people responds Best to Criticism
Sep 24th 2020
54
the male ego has every right to be fragile, this case, the black male
Sep 24th 2020
59
      That's too much thought and historical context and nuance
Sep 24th 2020
61
      it's just the wrong problem. it's not your ego that's the problem
Sep 24th 2020
62
      Exactly.
Sep 24th 2020
63
      Excellent reply
Sep 25th 2020
139
even if he took the 'straight' out, he would get the same response.
Sep 23rd 2020
31
what replies. from what people. link one
Sep 23rd 2020
32
      review this thread:
Sep 23rd 2020
34
           no no no
Sep 23rd 2020
35
           Goalpost shifting 101
Sep 23rd 2020
41
                the goalpost never moved you fucking liar.
Sep 23rd 2020
43
                What replies, post one is what you asked
Sep 26th 2020
175
                     when did you post a link to anything?
Sep 27th 2020
181
                if nothing's going to change with context then go link one reply
Sep 23rd 2020
44
                Save the weirdo conspiracy theories
Sep 26th 2020
176
                     I said link one
Sep 27th 2020
182
                right there in the subject "link one"
Sep 23rd 2020
45
           if you want to listen to a podcast that gets mad about people
Sep 23rd 2020
36
Eurasians always want to castrate Black men
Sep 24th 2020
48
maybe you're projecting. noone was speaking about lgbt people.
Sep 24th 2020
52
      Straight Black men
Sep 24th 2020
55
           There was homosexuality in africa before european invasion
Sep 24th 2020
57
Y'all really don't see the Black Lives Matter parallel?
Sep 24th 2020
64
what's up dumb motherfucker
Sep 24th 2020
65
link me one response btw
Sep 24th 2020
66
here.
Sep 24th 2020
82
      cool. so let's talk about it.
Sep 25th 2020
86
           So in the post that you are clearly the most visibly mad, calling names
Sep 25th 2020
110
                when or where have I said it's a problem that someone's wrong?
Sep 25th 2020
111
                so buddy doesn't want to explain how he feels about the tweet, huh
Sep 25th 2020
119
The reason they have a bajillion non-black followers
Sep 24th 2020
68
this is what you want to believe, so bad
Sep 24th 2020
69
Misogynistic rap songs by black men are a goldmine.
Sep 24th 2020
71
      I know you think using the word "misogynist" sounds intelligent
Sep 24th 2020
72
           "women make the same songs"
Sep 24th 2020
73
           Bingo.
Sep 24th 2020
77
           This was a pretty bad take for someone worried about historical context
Sep 24th 2020
78
                Yes. The historical context of a 40 year old art form is to blame
Sep 24th 2020
80
                     awwwwwwww. u mad
Sep 24th 2020
84
                     Where did you get blame from?
Sep 25th 2020
89
                          Dude I don't even know why you're talking about rap.
Sep 25th 2020
91
Its very cringeworthy when people with large white followings do this
Sep 24th 2020
70
RE: Y'all really don't see the Black Lives Matter parallel?
Sep 24th 2020
74
I'm able to process these two truths at the same time
Sep 24th 2020
79
But you are the only one suggesting they are seemingly opposing ideas.
Sep 24th 2020
81
      it's pretty easy, there is no controversy.
Sep 24th 2020
85
      People use the original statement to deflect critcism. thats the issue.
Sep 25th 2020
90
           you missed the point of the jewish analogy.
Sep 25th 2020
99
           You don't see you swapped the original statement with the response?
Sep 25th 2020
114
                except it's not the original statement. it is a response statement
Sep 25th 2020
115
                They're fully aware of what they're doing
Sep 25th 2020
116
                What's ironic is they are ignoring the one black woman in this discussio...
Sep 25th 2020
117
                     who has said what women are thinking?
Sep 25th 2020
118
                this is so much funnier to read now that I know buddy had no idea
Sep 25th 2020
123
you know what I really like about this lie, since we're going to talk ab...
Sep 25th 2020
87
this is a false equivalence
Sep 25th 2020
94
      Hmm...
Sep 25th 2020
95
           my response would be:
Sep 25th 2020
96
           Ya'll's entire lives are based on make believe scenarios
Sep 25th 2020
97
           you either didnt read this post or you have a learning disability
Sep 25th 2020
98
                no....the post is actually about men.
Sep 25th 2020
100
                     wonderful.
Sep 25th 2020
101
                     just like all lives matter isn't about black people
Sep 25th 2020
120
           gender doesn't mean "female" though
Sep 25th 2020
129
           I typed a whole reply about how intersectional theory is flawed
Sep 25th 2020
132
           Yeah. I mean Crenshaw herself has admitted as much
Sep 25th 2020
134
                says the losers who don't actually want to talk about what black men
Sep 25th 2020
135
           maybe you missed my point
Sep 25th 2020
138
                No I understand your statement. it's just empirically incomplete
Sep 25th 2020
149
                I dont think anyone is saying universal male privilege is real.
Sep 25th 2020
152
                     Intersectional theory originally said precisely that
Sep 26th 2020
166
                          theories develop over time. I personally haven't come across those types
Sep 26th 2020
170
                               YOU are making that argument all up and down this thread, bruh, lol
Sep 26th 2020
178
                                    You misunderstood. It happens.
Sep 26th 2020
179
                                         Lol. Ok, player.
Sep 26th 2020
180
                Your point is misguided
Sep 25th 2020
151
                     I don't think CIPHA is black
Sep 25th 2020
153
                     went just a little too far into the performance for me
Sep 25th 2020
154
                     this is the twilight zone.
Sep 26th 2020
172
                          while also arguing that black men have been stereotyped by
Sep 26th 2020
173
                     you're an agent
Sep 25th 2020
156
                     Ok. What's my agenda and how is it harmful to black society?
Sep 25th 2020
160
                     Right
Sep 25th 2020
159
                     Given American conditioning, this is such a hard truth for many to diges...
Sep 26th 2020
165
                     ten years ago: anyone accusing bill cosby of rape is a liar
Sep 26th 2020
168
                     Jesus christ.
Sep 26th 2020
171
           That's contradictory, according to your previous statement.
Sep 25th 2020
136
                so your only argument is "it happens to men too"
Sep 25th 2020
140
                Not at all. Your argument is to bring up women when I didn't.
Sep 25th 2020
145
                     RE: Not at all. Your argument is to bring up women when I didn't.
Sep 25th 2020
157
                          RE: Not at all. Your argument is to bring up women when I didn't.
Sep 25th 2020
163
                I'd respond to this but buddy already laid the whole thing out LOL
Sep 25th 2020
141
           My response would be stop using your abuse to distract from others' pain
Sep 25th 2020
104
                But this post is about our abuse.
Sep 25th 2020
106
                yes. be more specific about the pain you're feeling and how much you're ...
Sep 25th 2020
113
                Right.
Sep 25th 2020
131
                the post is about a guy making a statement on twitter
Sep 25th 2020
133
                My question is simply about Black men talking about their experience
Sep 25th 2020
137
                     except you won't talk about your experience
Sep 25th 2020
142
                     the cognitive dissonance is wild
Sep 25th 2020
143
                          Yeah, it's your issue tho. Just say you refuse to answer the question.
Sep 25th 2020
146
                               no one has questioned Black men being part of the collective
Sep 25th 2020
155
                                    If you can be pro-Black and hate them, that seems to say they aren't
Sep 26th 2020
164
                                         thank you for posting this straight rip of a Ben Shapiro video
Sep 26th 2020
167
remember that time when Boogie Stimuli said "why bring it up now"
Sep 24th 2020
67
RE: remember that time when Boogie Stimuli said "why bring it up now"
Sep 25th 2020
102
For context: this quote is co-opting a phrase black women coined
Sep 25th 2020
105
weird how buddy has a problem with that when it's all lives matter
Sep 25th 2020
107
Nigga said fuck moving the goalpost, let's just play a different sport
Sep 25th 2020
109
it's funny how these losers have to lie so obviously
Sep 25th 2020
112
Lord
Sep 25th 2020
125
I am just going to take it as progress that you have digested my point
Sep 25th 2020
121
      so you admit that you didn't have the required information
Sep 25th 2020
122
      sure non-mad, not loser guy.
Sep 25th 2020
124
           everyone loses sometimes.
Sep 25th 2020
127
      Im sorry for overestimating yall and thinking yall were up on discourse
Sep 25th 2020
126
           accountability is important. now that you know better you can do better
Sep 25th 2020
128
Thank you very much to buddy gilaps for exposing this
Sep 25th 2020
130
What exactly are you saying I was ignorant about?
Sep 26th 2020
169
      the thing you admitted you were ignorant about.
Sep 26th 2020
174
Black women make up 29% of US inmates? Is that true?
Sep 25th 2020
144
Nah that's way off
Sep 25th 2020
148
hell no. maybe 29% of female inmates in the US?
Sep 25th 2020
150
This place is weird.
Sep 25th 2020
147
dont be passive aggressive. let's hear your input
Sep 25th 2020
158
      I watched the follow-up video. I get what dude means and said
Sep 25th 2020
161
Black men need space to heal.
Sep 26th 2020
177
the point of the statement was to create a fake controversy
Sep 27th 2020
183
nope. Cuz that presumes an inherent black male pathology, too
Sep 27th 2020
184
      What do you mean by pathology here?
Sep 27th 2020
185
      No, I used the word pathology very purposefully
Sep 27th 2020
187
           it's funny. the statement didn't mention anyone else
Sep 28th 2020
188
           Your willful misinterpretation hurts you, not me.
Sep 30th 2020
189
                Uh-huh.
Sep 30th 2020
190
      weird how there's no inherent black male pathology
Sep 27th 2020
186
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that all the current popular black....
Oct 04th 2020
191
It's not even just the black shows
Oct 05th 2020
192
why would you be attacked for keeping a specific list of
Oct 05th 2020
193
If it's not a coincidence, what is it?
Oct 05th 2020
194
Would love to discuss, but how do you think it's relevant to this post?
Oct 05th 2020
195

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