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"***Breaking News*** The government misled us about the Afghan War"
Mon Dec-09-19 06:41 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

          

“Every data point was altered to present the best picture possible,” Bob Crowley, an Army colonel who served as a senior counterinsurgency adviser to U.S. military commanders in 2013 and 2014, told government interviewers. “Surveys, for instance, were totally unreliable but reinforced that everything we were doing was right and we became a self-licking ice cream cone.”

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https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/investigations/afghanistan-papers/afghanistan-war-confidential-documents/

With most speaking on the assumption that their remarks would not become public, U.S. officials acknowledged that their warfighting strategies were fatally flawed and that Washington wasted enormous sums of money trying to remake Afghanistan into a modern nation.

The interviews also highlight the U.S. government’s botched attempts to curtail runaway corruption, build a competent Afghan army and police force, and put a dent in Afghanistan’s thriving opium trade.

The U.S. government has not carried out a comprehensive accounting of how much it has spent on the war in Afghanistan, but the costs are staggering.

Since 2001, the Defense Department, State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development have spent or appropriated between $934 billion and $978 billion, according to an inflation-adjusted estimate calculated by Neta Crawford, a political science professor and co-director of the Costs of War Project at Brown University.

Those figures do not include money spent by other agencies such as the CIA and the Department of Veterans Affairs, which is responsible for medical care for wounded veterans.

“What did we get for this $1 trillion effort? Was it worth $1 trillion?” Jeffrey Eggers, a retired Navy SEAL and White House staffer for Bush and Obama, told government interviewers. He added, “After the killing of Osama bin Laden, I said that Osama was probably laughing in his watery grave considering how much we have spent on Afghanistan.”

The documents also contradict a long chorus of public statements from U.S. presidents, military commanders and diplomats who assured Americans year after year that they were making progress in Afghanistan and the war was worth fighting.



Several of those interviewed described explicit and sustained efforts by the U.S. government to deliberately mislead the public. They said it was common at military headquarters in Kabul — and at the White House — to distort statistics to make it appear the United States was winning the war when that was not the case.

“Every data point was altered to present the best picture possible,” Bob Crowley, an Army colonel who served as a senior counterinsurgency adviser to U.S. military commanders in 2013 and 2014, told government interviewers. “Surveys, for instance, were totally unreliable but reinforced that everything we were doing was right and we became a self-licking ice cream cone.”

John Sopko, the head of the federal agency that conducted the interviews, acknowledged to The Post that the documents show “the American people have constantly been lied to.”

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***Breaking News*** Water is more than just moist, it’s wet too.
Dec 09th 2019
1
technically, it isn't.
Aug 16th 2021
14
Military folks really know their way around colorful aphorisms
Dec 10th 2019
2
Lmao
Dec 10th 2019
3
One great perk of working at a Federal agency is these nuggets...
Dec 10th 2019
5
Trillions of stolen money going through Afghanistan
Dec 10th 2019
4
gottta mix in dat Obummer shade on impeachment day
Dec 10th 2019
6
Pelosi had the audacity to say she "knew" the intel on Iraq was a lie
Dec 10th 2019
7
Yeah man. It amazes me that so many people on this Earth can be
Dec 10th 2019
8
Tulsi speaking that real (video)
Dec 10th 2019
9
Good message, wrong messenger.
Aug 17th 2021
83
basically... n/m
Aug 15th 2021
10
lol @ "breaking"
Aug 15th 2021
11
if theres one thing that galvanizes the entire beltway media spectrum
Aug 15th 2021
12
"occupation" of another country always seems like a lose-lose situation....
Aug 16th 2021
16
GOP is going to have a field day with this
Aug 16th 2021
27
They would never lie about that it was for our freedoms
Aug 15th 2021
13
WHAT!! no! impossible! unfathomable!!
Aug 16th 2021
15
Afghanistan hates us for our freedom
Aug 16th 2021
17
no the Taliban who are religious zealots in Afghanistan hate our freedom...
Aug 16th 2021
18
      even that is too much nuance for the average American
Aug 16th 2021
22
      The Taliban are the governing org in Afghanistan.
Aug 17th 2021
84
Somebody should remind this guy who he works for
Aug 16th 2021
19
What a coLossaL L...just in time for 911 too...think about what that is
Aug 16th 2021
20
I buried a close friend in 2016 because of their lies.
Aug 16th 2021
21
Condolences, Bro.
Aug 16th 2021
28
its crazy seeing people break into the airport and hop into the wheels.....
Aug 16th 2021
23
Here come the Iranian Militias to stir up shit
Aug 16th 2021
24
The .gov is still currently misleading
Aug 16th 2021
25
If you are around in 15 years
Aug 16th 2021
26
If not now, when?
Aug 16th 2021
29
Whenever a military presence leaves, it signifies the end. So....
Aug 16th 2021
30
Add on to this essential reading list:
Aug 16th 2021
31
leave it better than you found it?
Aug 16th 2021
32
but the whole point is...
Aug 16th 2021
33
this ain't kindergarten...
Aug 16th 2021
35
      its kindergarten to cherry pick a few words to make your point
Aug 17th 2021
85
Biden just happened to be in seat when this took place but it was alread...
Aug 16th 2021
34
      let's face it, people just want the USA to do another Hiroshima in these
Aug 16th 2021
36
           this is wildly inaccurate and ignorant talk...
Aug 16th 2021
37
                how so?
Aug 16th 2021
38
                     the US will NEVER do "another Hiroshima" for multiple reasons
Aug 16th 2021
39
                          "internationally with the UN etc. the USA can't really do that anymore"
Aug 16th 2021
40
                               The US won’t do that but it isn’t because of the UN
Aug 16th 2021
42
                               The UN is a factor but it is just a factor that's why I added the etc in...
Aug 16th 2021
45
                                    the un is a largely toothless/token strawman.
Aug 16th 2021
47
                                         Believing the UN is a deterrent against a nuclear strike is like
Aug 16th 2021
48
                                         When Presidents like Biden and Obama are in office, it is a deterent
Aug 16th 2021
52
                                         What I was alluding to in REPLY #36 is that the EXISTENCE of the...
Aug 16th 2021
49
                                              how are we going to "nuke" the taliban without nuking the afghan people....
Aug 16th 2021
54
                                              Japan
Aug 16th 2021
55
                                                   You are proving truths point
Aug 16th 2021
61
                                                        Reeq reply #56: "the people who ran the country before the war just.."
Aug 16th 2021
62
                                              the best nuclear deterrence is believing you will get nuked in return.
Aug 16th 2021
58
                                                   "a factor" and "best deterrence" are different
Aug 16th 2021
60
                               hence my initial reply, what you typed was a waste of keystrokes
Aug 16th 2021
43
                                    I don't think so - nope
Aug 16th 2021
44
man i miss homeland.
Aug 16th 2021
41
95% of the American people will agree with everything biden just said
Aug 16th 2021
46
its tough from all angles but we were there for a reason...
Aug 16th 2021
50
a base of operations in a sovereign nation that doesnt want us there?
Aug 16th 2021
56
that's exactly why I brought up Japan in #55 - the taliban represents
Aug 16th 2021
57
good brother im not catching your drift.
Aug 16th 2021
64
      reply #56 "the people who ran the country"
Aug 16th 2021
69
Is this true? I honestly have no idea...
Aug 17th 2021
71
btw we avoided a terrorist attack from pearl harbor to 9/11
Aug 16th 2021
66
      the world is a lot different and a lot smaller than it was 80 years ago.
Aug 17th 2021
73
these 3 biden tweets
Aug 16th 2021
51
Yeah I agree
Aug 16th 2021
59
Yep, I agree with you and all of this
Aug 16th 2021
53
marsha blackburn is on twitter talking about defending
Aug 16th 2021
63
If she wants to defend women’s rights she should start in Tennessee
Aug 16th 2021
65
      its kinda terrifying to see how they can do an instant 180 on a dime
Aug 16th 2021
67
this terminology is comical...
Aug 17th 2021
74
We could have occupied Afghanistan for 100 years....
Aug 17th 2021
70
basically...
Aug 17th 2021
75
Yup. I had to explain to my students who the Taliban are.
Aug 17th 2021
72
these poll numbers look rough man
Aug 24th 2021
103
pretty classy statement from gw bush striking the right tone.
Aug 16th 2021
68
should have invested that money in Haiti nm
Aug 17th 2021
76
pipe dream
Aug 17th 2021
77
Clarissa Ward of CNN is a GANGSTA
Aug 17th 2021
78
or next person to get her head chopped off?
Aug 17th 2021
79
Fam she’s been doing this work
Aug 17th 2021
80
Nah. That would backfire horribly for them. They're not dumb.
Aug 17th 2021
81
Yeah. And they seem to care about PR now
Aug 17th 2021
86
      Yeah they want the US/NATO gone. Beheading someone does the opposite.
Aug 19th 2021
94
theyre not isis (or even al qaeda).
Aug 17th 2021
82
don’t forget about the person holding the camera
Aug 18th 2021
88
      yep...
Aug 18th 2021
90
      Yeah they all get my respect.
Aug 19th 2021
95
           Going to war.. armed with a camera.
Aug 23rd 2021
98
                She went to Syria when ISIS was popping off.....like, what?!?!
Aug 23rd 2021
102
majority of voters support bidens decision by a 14 pt margin.
Aug 18th 2021
87
“Support for the decision” is very different
Aug 18th 2021
89
      The fall of a country/government is always chaotic but especially so
Aug 19th 2021
92
      You make it sound like the Taliban would have waited patiently
Aug 19th 2021
93
kinda felt/knew something like this was going on re: media coverage
Aug 19th 2021
91
The media has waited 7 months for something to pop
Aug 23rd 2021
99
what I don't understand its not like US troops sneaked in the middle of....
Aug 22nd 2021
96
RE: what I don't understand its not like US troops sneaked in the middle...
Aug 22nd 2021
97
did they expect a parade?
Aug 23rd 2021
101
They knew it was coming
Aug 23rd 2021
100
the media was saying 50k evacuated by the deadline was impossible.
Aug 25th 2021
104
Biden haters want a massacre so bad
Aug 25th 2021
105
The GQP and conservatives want some Americans to die
Aug 25th 2021
108
      yep.. already seeing people say we should keep troops there
Aug 25th 2021
109
           While the GQP waits for one American to die in Afghanistan, 228 died
Aug 25th 2021
110
This could be one of his greatest achievements...
Aug 25th 2021
106
      this is what i've been thinking this whole time, or along these lines.
Aug 25th 2021
107
           RE: this is what i've been thinking this whole time, or along these line...
Aug 25th 2021
111
                i hope you're wrong.
Aug 26th 2021
113
say word, son.
Aug 26th 2021
112
American Military members killed in explosion. Media will eat this up no...
Aug 26th 2021
114
Media and everyone talking seems to be SUPER HAWKISH
Aug 26th 2021
115
Media LOVES violent breaking news.. WAR is even better!!!
Aug 26th 2021
120
^^^okp politico's favorite word "hawkish" lol
Aug 27th 2021
122
Yep, the media and GQP finally got what they were hoping for
Aug 26th 2021
116
^^^^ This RIGHT HERE
Aug 27th 2021
121
They want more war
Aug 26th 2021
117
      The media gave no shits about Afghanistan for 6 years
Aug 26th 2021
118
           Biden haters care so the media is feeding them this shit
Aug 26th 2021
119
I hate news reporters in these type of situations they're so eager to be...
Aug 27th 2021
123
Last night targeted air strikes
Aug 28th 2021
124
the 2 previous administrations have been trying to get out of Afghanista...
Aug 28th 2021
125
      I think you missed his point...
Aug 28th 2021
126
           Remember:If a DEM is not PERFECT they are criminally and cynically guilt...
Aug 29th 2021
127
                nah.. they deserve blame just like any other administration
Aug 30th 2021
128
                For real
Aug 30th 2021
129
                     It's an airlift after 20 years of occupation of a countty
Aug 30th 2021
130
                          RE: It's an airlift after 20 years of occupation of a countty
Aug 30th 2021
131
                          i definitely agree on one thing you said:
Aug 30th 2021
132
                Cmon man- take a step back
Sep 02nd 2021
134
                     Your short take (I'll be reductive)
Sep 03rd 2021
135
Just watched the sister of a dead marine say Biden kneels for the flag.
Sep 01st 2021
133
The mainstream media is awful
Sep 03rd 2021
136

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