Printer-friendly copy Email this topic to a friend
Lobby General Discussion topic #13354138

Subject: "Black people did it...so....Blacks or Bernie Bros: your choice" Previous topic | Next topic
c71
Member since Jan 15th 2008
12284 posts
Wed Mar-04-20 09:26 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
52. "Black people did it...so....Blacks or Bernie Bros: your choice"
In response to In response to 0


  

          

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-fear-woke-planet-20200304-sonk6jet6jh5xle7wediqsgjiu-story.html


OPINION
Fear of a black electorate: Bernie’s anti-establishment message crashes into the Democrats’ conservative base — African Americans

By ROBERT A. GEORGE

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |

MAR 04, 2020 | 1:35 PM

Not feeling the Bern.


In four days, Joe Biden proved a whole hell of a lot can change.
Saturday, Joe Biden blew Bernie Sanders out of the water in South Carolina, with a huge African American turnout.

Sunday, Sanders held a rally at the Los Angeles Convention Center with an advertised appearance by hip-hop legends Public Enemy.
Monday, the band fired long-time member Flavor Flav, who objected to co-founder Chuck D’s seemingly unilateral endorsement of Sanders’ presidential campaign.

Super Tuesday, Joe fought the power of Bernie’s star appeal and cool-kid cred the old-fashioned way: He stomped through the South, leaning heavily on the same black voters that fueled his South Carolina blowout, rolling up at least nine victories nationwide.

Now, it’s easy to just attribute Biden’s strength with African Americans to his being Barack Obama’s vice president. Biden’s certainly made that connection a significant part of his campaign message. But to accept that sole explanation ignores decades of contested Democratic presidential primaries and how African Americans have voted in them.

Since at least 1976, essentially the birth of the modern primary process, black voters tend to align closer to establishment candidates rather than insurgents. The rare exception is if a black insurgent is deemed viable.

Shiny new objects like Gary Hart (1984), Bill Bradley (2000) and Howard Dean (2004) never broke through because while college-educated upscale white Democrats were intrigued, blacks stayed with establishment candidates (Walter Mondale, Al Gore and John Kerry respectively). Black voters even stuck with incumbent Jimmy Carter in 1980, despite a strong primary challenge by Ted Kennedy, whose family was beloved by many African Americans.

The exceptions? In 1988, Jesse Jackson (who ran in 1984 but couldn’t completely break Mondale’s black firewall) was now seen as legitimate by African-American leadership and rank-and-file, who stayed with him until he finally conceded the nomination to Michael Dukakis. In 2008, blacks initially were with Hillary Clinton, until Obama’s upset win in Iowa signaled they should take him seriously.
In four years, Sanders proved a whole heck of lot doesn’t change.


The black community’s history with establishment candidates appears to have escaped him.

In 2016, Hillary easily beat Bernie (sorry, bros, there was no rigging) largely via African-American voters who were the least susceptible to feeling the Bern.

In 2020, Sanders declares that he’s leading a “multi-racial coalition,” and launching a “revolution” that will bring down the establishment.

Vows to blow up the establishment (or, well, “fight the power”) are exactly the wrong thing to say trying to appeal to a base that is temperamentally and, in some respects, ideologically conservative. As much as black people have been victimized by capitalism at its worst, this community doesn’t have the luxury to place trust in a risky untried faith called democratic socialism.

To some, Sanders’ revolutionary call of one side is to be viewed as skeptically as the “what the hell have you got to lose?” aside of the other. Especially when that man the base is singularly focused on removing from office seems too eager to want Sanders to get the nomination. Can’t truss it, as PE might say.




Finally, there is a whiff in the Sanders revolution of disdain for African Americans and their role within the party.





Catch up on the day’s top five stories every weekday afternoon.


On Monday, one of Sanders’s most visible supporters, documentarian Michael Moore, dismissed Biden’s South Carolina win because the Palmetto State was “not representative of the United States.” Moore added: “South Carolina will have absolutely no impact on the Nov. 3 election.” This line of thought — dismissing the importance of primary wins in states not likely to go Democratic in November — regularly pops up with Bernie supporters and doesn’t arise by accident: Four years ago, Sanders himself explicitly made the claim, leading several party chairmen of southern states to ask him to cool it.

Understandably. African Americans are providing those primary wins, and whether a Democrat wins a state in November or not, black turnout is important for down-ballot races and even makes Democrats competitive in states like North Carolina and Virginia. In 2020, Sanders has tried to avoid such language. Too many of his supporters still don’t get it. And while Sanders may have some younger African Americans in his coalition, the group as a whole has little reason to trust his agenda — or his message.


“People, people we are the same. No we’re not the same/ ’Cause we don’t know the game.”


Oh, yes, indeed, they do know the game.

But until Sanders figures why the Democratic Party’s most loyal constituency doesn’t believe the hype he’s selling, he’s going to face more tough Tuesdays.


rgeorge@nydailynews.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote


We Are All On The Same Team [View all] , Reeq, Thu Oct-31-19 09:21 AM
 
Subject Author Message Date ID
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/82TafYL
Oct 31st 2019
1
Nah. We all suffer the same but we’re not on the same team
Oct 31st 2019
2
I think it's the opposite, we suffer to different degrees but we are all...
Oct 31st 2019
4
      I’ll think on that.
Oct 31st 2019
5
      yep
Nov 07th 2019
36
Nah. I have zero trust of liberals, progressives & democrats
Oct 31st 2019
3
RE: We Are All On The Same Team
Oct 31st 2019
6
Are you talking about the diaspora or okp?
Oct 31st 2019
7
What team is that?
Oct 31st 2019
8
I, too, am curious about that
Oct 31st 2019
10
only one question
Oct 31st 2019
9
https://youtu.be/wXGgWf2lacM
Oct 31st 2019
11
beat me to it
Oct 31st 2019
12
was trying to say a similar thing in the AOC post
Oct 31st 2019
13
I'm reiterating this point IRL in convos now
Nov 01st 2019
14
I was wondering about this too. re: Mayor Pete
Nov 01st 2019
21
      Oh yeah this was the building where I work
Nov 01st 2019
22
Yep
Nov 01st 2019
15
Not when you're still caping for HRC
Nov 01st 2019
16
It looks we're largely on #teambrothayouwrong
Nov 01st 2019
17
lol (literally) @ that link. But you wrong for posting that bro
Nov 01st 2019
18
I mean that's this post/place in a nutshell
Nov 01st 2019
20
lmao basically.
Nov 06th 2019
26
We're supposed to be but we're not.
Nov 01st 2019
19
no we are not
Nov 01st 2019
23
well..
Nov 01st 2019
24
i love this quote by taylor swift.
Nov 06th 2019
25
Taylor Swift. ? LOL
Nov 06th 2019
27
most powerful artist on the planet.
Nov 06th 2019
28
      Interesting but
Nov 06th 2019
29
           thats a state trump won by 26 points.
Nov 06th 2019
30
                Trump won Kenucky and Alabama by big margins
Nov 06th 2019
32
                     that was the least popular governor in america and a pedophile.
Nov 06th 2019
33
^^^ hangs out at the mall with joe manchin
Nov 06th 2019
31
Nah. He just saw this video and figured it's all good now:
Nov 06th 2019
35
Adds a really funny layer when he made this post recently...
Apr 28th 2020
73
Lmao
Nov 06th 2019
34
jesus horatio christ
Nov 07th 2019
37
we will get there eventually. i still have faith.
Mar 04th 2020
38
....
Mar 04th 2020
39
At least the Trumpies let me know where they stand
Mar 04th 2020
40
they're going to tell you to wait
Mar 04th 2020
41
nothing wrong with venting lil homie. good luck this semester.
Mar 04th 2020
42
word up.
Mar 04th 2020
43
MalarkeyCare 2020
Mar 04th 2020
44
yeah, idk why they don't want to team up with you
Mar 04th 2020
50
      lmao
Mar 04th 2020
55
Bernie supporters take a beat, go to the beach, get u a massage
Mar 04th 2020
45
lol and some of these dudes seem shockingly unaware
Mar 04th 2020
46
well put. even the deepest broadest coalition on the left needs a vacay.
Mar 04th 2020
47
This couldn't be more true.
Mar 04th 2020
51
i'd be full of rage
Mar 04th 2020
57
      Hahaha fair.
Mar 04th 2020
59
      RE: i'd be full of rage
Apr 30th 2020
139
Team Bern wanted to be able to tell centrists to fall the fuck in line
Mar 04th 2020
56
Man there was Bernie dude on the radio this morning saying he is voting
Mar 04th 2020
48
some bernibros will grow up to be liberterians
Mar 04th 2020
58
reminded me of We're All In The Same Gang
Mar 04th 2020
49
my baby ain't never hurt nobody
Mar 04th 2020
54
how do latinos fit into your blacks or bernie bro worldview?
Mar 04th 2020
60
      I know what Black people do
Mar 04th 2020
61
      who has ever claimed that all of even most of sanders supporters
Mar 05th 2020
62
           huh
Apr 28th 2020
82
Young people (Bernie's group) DIDN'T DO IT. So.....
Mar 04th 2020
53
Nope... we just have the same final boss fight..
Mar 05th 2020
63
id like to invite all of the bernie brethren over for sunday dinner.
Mar 10th 2020
64
zoom, Skype, FaceTime or IG live, lol
Apr 08th 2020
66
just a reminder that our differences are relatively minuscule.
Apr 08th 2020
65
NY removes Bernie from the ballot
Apr 28th 2020
67
I don’t understand
Apr 28th 2020
68
The presidential primary is canceled
Apr 28th 2020
71
      question: what does Bernie need delegates from NY for?
Apr 28th 2020
74
      Delegates are still currency in politics
Apr 28th 2020
75
      nah its foolish to claim to drop out but still secretly get more votes.
Apr 28th 2020
79
           It’s not back door or blindsiding
Apr 28th 2020
100
                name another candidate in recent history that has done this.
Apr 28th 2020
109
                     name the last time a primary was cancelled because everyone else..
Apr 29th 2020
121
                          You have to file with the FEC to terminate a campaign
Apr 29th 2020
128
                               Exactly.
Apr 29th 2020
132
      I’m hoping Bern can accumulate as many delegates as he can
Apr 28th 2020
77
      Yeah. This is a terrible idea
Apr 28th 2020
76
i see why bernie lost. his folks are still so clueless.
Apr 28th 2020
69
I can't call it. Are they really this dumb or just like being fake mad?
Apr 28th 2020
90
      and none of them can come up with a good explanation
Apr 28th 2020
99
      Why not just let it play out?
Apr 28th 2020
101
Seriously, their "team" is fucking disgusting and corrupt...
Apr 28th 2020
70
it was all gladhanding, pats on the back, and atta boys
Apr 28th 2020
72
They applauded Bernie for staying in for Wisconsin to help down votes
Apr 28th 2020
104
      heres where you fucked up tho.
Apr 28th 2020
110
so you're furious about things that you imagine will happen
Apr 28th 2020
81
huh? It makes as much sense for Pete's team to be mad at this
Apr 28th 2020
91
      you know why petes team isnt mad at this?
Apr 28th 2020
98
Didn't Sanders endorse Biden?
Apr 28th 2020
80
seriously how do you endorse someone then still run against them
Apr 28th 2020
83
...as did every other candidate...and they’re still on the ballot
Apr 28th 2020
87
      bernie is the only one still actively campaigning for delegates tho.
Apr 28th 2020
93
is Beto still on the ballot?
Apr 28th 2020
85
No and yes...not sure what the sellout line is about
Apr 28th 2020
86
great explanation.. prepare for more troll replies..
Apr 28th 2020
92
show me which one of those candidates is still telling their supporters
Apr 28th 2020
94
I want to cast my symbolic vote for Klobuchar!!! COVID be damned!
Apr 28th 2020
89
obviously there is more to the story...as usual
Apr 28th 2020
88
      fam here is why bernie is mad he couldnt pull off this slick shit.
Apr 28th 2020
95
           wait. You think it’s easier to get delegates by dropping out?
Apr 28th 2020
102
                huh?
Apr 28th 2020
105
let these bootlickers and idol worshipers live
Apr 28th 2020
78
true.
Apr 28th 2020
84
      They will be raging on for the next decade or more. Let them stew
Apr 28th 2020
96
           eternal grievance (plus stupidity).
Apr 28th 2020
97
                Bernie is conceding he can’t win
Apr 28th 2020
103
                if he cant win then he should drop out (like everybody else).
Apr 28th 2020
107
                Lol at Jeff weaver stopped Bernie from going after the Black vote
Apr 28th 2020
106
                lol i think rjcc or somebody posted his twitter account on here
Apr 28th 2020
108
                oh he's still tweeting away
Apr 28th 2020
112
                     Smh
Apr 28th 2020
114
                     LOL
Apr 29th 2020
115
                us: yo, there are people on Bernie's campaign who suuuuuuck
Apr 28th 2020
111
                     lol
Apr 28th 2020
113
                     exactly
Apr 29th 2020
116
Andrew Yang sues New York Board of Elections over canceled primary
Apr 29th 2020
117
both Bernie and Yang want to continue their national footprint
Apr 29th 2020
118
How are delegates allocated in an election with no votes?
Apr 29th 2020
119
If the DNC is smart they will step in and tell NY to smarten up
Apr 29th 2020
122
No one has given any reason why taking them off is a good idea
Apr 29th 2020
120
It also provides ammo to postpone the General Election...
Apr 29th 2020
123
^^^ folks are really letting their Bernie hate blind them
Apr 29th 2020
125
i agree with this
Apr 29th 2020
130
AOC had a good take, send all voters mail-in ballots
Apr 29th 2020
124
      thats what most dems are saying. not just aoc.
May 01st 2020
147
wtf @ some of these replies
Apr 29th 2020
126
      RE: the election will continue with new rules
Apr 29th 2020
127
      the DNC will AGREE to postpone the general election...
Apr 29th 2020
129
      But they aren’t canceling local elections
Apr 29th 2020
131
           uh because the local elections have more than 1 person running?
Apr 30th 2020
135
                Name the last time a primary was cancelled...
Apr 30th 2020
144
                     uh 4 states in the 2012 democratic primary.
May 01st 2020
145
                          After Obama’s first term? Bwahaha.. that’s your example?
May 01st 2020
146
yang wouldnt even be anywhere near the 15% of votes in the state
Apr 30th 2020
138
Biden campaign reaches deal to allow Bernie Sanders to retain hundreds o...
Apr 30th 2020
133
numbnuts you really are a bonafide idiot.
Apr 30th 2020
134
      Should have never come to this to begin with
Apr 30th 2020
136
      which ended up working out even better for bernie and the crybabies.
Apr 30th 2020
137
           I’m glad he got delegates and Biden is being smart about this
Apr 30th 2020
142
      lmao I was just thinking the same. He really is the worst of them
Apr 30th 2020
140
      hopeless (c) dionne farris
Apr 30th 2020
141
      lolllllll
Apr 30th 2020
143
Judge reinstated NY Dem primary
May 05th 2020
148
Alright.. we're back on the same team again
May 05th 2020
149
In an unprecedented move, New York canceled its Democratic
May 06th 2020
150
People in here who defended NY really showed their asses
May 06th 2020
151
an unprecedented virus has killed 25,028 NY'ers
May 06th 2020
153
      You should have no problem postponing the November election..
May 06th 2020
154
      who will win Bernie or Biden if Bernie wins NY?
May 06th 2020
156
      Huh? You realize local elections are still being held...
May 06th 2020
157
      and can be held on a later date
May 06th 2020
158
           You really want to withhold elections for a year?
May 06th 2020
160
      I believe there's about 40% of primaries that haven't happened yet
May 07th 2020
161
i'll leave my inbox open for apologies
May 06th 2020
152
they appealed...smh
May 06th 2020
159
no we're not
May 06th 2020
155
nigga fuck you the rest of us saved the country for your dusty ass.
Nov 04th 2020
162
      haha
Nov 04th 2020
163
      Lmao
Nov 04th 2020
164
      Pow pow
Nov 04th 2020
165

Lobby General Discussion topic #13354138 Previous topic | Next topic
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.25
Copyright © DCScripts.com