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Saudi claims that Khashoggi died in a ‘brawl’ draw immediate skepticism
By Shane Harris
October 19 at 10:47 PM

Claims by the government of Saudi Arabia that Washington Post contributing columnist Jamal Khashoggi died in a physical altercation inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul drew immediate skepticism and contradicted earlier dueling accounts from Saudi and Turkish officials.

The Saudi findings, which all but absolved the heir to the throne, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, increased pressure on the Trump administration to mount an independent investigation into Khashoggi’s death.

CIA officials have listened to an audio recording that Turkish officials say proves the journalist was killed and dismembered by a team of Saudi agents inside the consulate, according to people familiar with the matter. If verified, the recording would make it difficult for the White House to accept the Saudi version that Khashoggi’s death was effectively an accident. A CIA spokeswoman declined to comment.

In a statement issued early Saturday morning in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, the Saudis claimed that some number of unnamed “suspects” had traveled to the consulate to meet with Khashoggi, “as there were indications of the possibility of his returning” to Saudi Arabia. The journalist, a frequent critic of Saudi government policy, had been living in self-imposed exile in Virginia.

“The discussions that took place . . . did not go as required and developed in a negative way,” the statement continued, leading to a “fight and a quarrel” and a “brawl” that led to Khashoggi’s death. The unnamed suspects then attempted “to conceal and cover what happened,” the Saudi government claimed, without elaborating.

Current and former U.S. intelligence officials, foreign policy experts and lawmakers were quick to accuse the Saudi government of a whitewash.

“They’re buying time. And they’re buying cover,” said Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) “They are seeking to, in effect, shift blame to a group of fall guys and confine the investigation to the Saudi government.”

Khashoggi had gone to the Saudi Consulate on Oct. 2 to obtain documents that he needed to marry his fiancee, a Turkish citizen. There has been no indication that he was going to meet with Saudis about possibly returning to his home country.

The Saudi government had previously said that Khashoggi left the consulate that day and that officials did not know where he was. Surveillance camera footage soon surfaced of Khashoggi walking into the building, but there was no footage of him leaving.

The White House did not immediately accept the Saudi findings, which amounted to the first official confirmation that Khashoggi is dead.

President Trump has privately expressed skepticism that the operation could have taken place without Mohammed’s knowledge, and the president has been told by a number of advisers that the Saudis would try to create a cover story that avoided blaming the crown prince, Trump’s advisers said.

But Trump is also wary of overreacting to Khashoggi’s death, his aim being to avoid aggravating an international crisis and rupturing U.S.-Saudi relations.

U.S. officials knew what the Saudis planned to say hours before they released their statement, a Trump adviser said.

“Trump’s inclination is not to ruin the relationship,” the adviser said.

But the adviser said that officials such Sen. Lindsey O. Graham (R-S.C.) have warned Trump and his advisers that if they don’t react, the Saudis will see it as weakness.

“If they respected you, they wouldn’t do this and think they could get away with it,” the adviser said, reflecting a conversation with the president.

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders issued a cautious statement.

“The United States acknowledges the announcement from the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia that its investigation into the fate of Jamal Khashoggi is progressing and that it has taken action against the suspects it has identified thus far,” her statement said.

The Saudi government announced that it had detained 18 unnamed individuals and fired five top officials.

“We will continue to closely follow the international investigations into this tragic incident and advocate for justice that is timely, transparent, and in accordance with all due process. We are saddened to hear confirmation of Mr. Khashoggi’s death, and we offer our deepest condolences to his family, fiancée, and friends,” Sanders said.

The Saudi government said it would take another month to complete a full investigation, which would be overseen by Mohammed. That decision also drew intense skepticism, since the crown prince has been tied to the operation that led to Khashoggi’s death, including through U.S. intelligence reports.

Rep. Adam B. Schiff (Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said the announcement that Khashoggi “was killed while brawling with a team of more than a dozen dispatched from Saudi Arabia is not credible. If Khashoggi was fighting inside the Saudi Consulate in Istanbul, he was fighting for his life with people sent to capture or kill him.”

Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) said the Saudi version of events changes “with each passing day, so we should not assume their latest story holds water.”

The official Saudi account did not explain what happened to Khashoggi’s body and was not supported by any evidence.

“This is the worst coverup I’ve ever seen,” said Bruce Riedel, a Saudi Arabia expert who served more than 30 years in the CIA. “Where is the body? Why did it take seventeen days to come up with this account?”

Khashoggi had recently told friends that Saudi officials close to the crown prince had tried to lure him back to the kingdom, but he said he believed that they would never guarantee his safety.

U.S. intelligence had also intercepted communications of Saudi officials discussing plans to lure Khashoggi back, an effort that was personally directed by Mohammed, a frequent subject of Khashoggi’s journalistic criticism, according to people who have seen the intelligence reports.

One of the two top officials whom the Saudis said had been removed from their posts, Saud al-Qahtani, a media adviser to the crown prince, had personally tried to persuade Khashoggi to return, assuring him that he would be safe and even holding out the prospect of a job working for Mohammed, according to the journalist’s friends.

“He said: ‘Are you kidding? I don’t trust them one bit,’ ” said Khaled Saffuri, an Arab American political activist, recounting a conversation he had with Khashoggi the day Khashoggi received a phone call from Qahtani in May.

It was not clear whether any of the Saudis that Turkish officials claim participated in the operation in Istanbul were among those whom Saudi authorities have detained.

The Washington Post has reviewed the passport information and photos of 15 men who Turkish officials say were part of the team. Some of them have links to Mohammed, the day-to-day ruler of the Saudi kingdom.

Five members of the team have traveled to the United States in recent years on trips that overlapped with visits by Mohammed, three more than were previously known, travel records and photographs show.

The proximity of their flights to movements by Mohammed suggests that the men are members of his security entourage, experts said, potentially complicating the ability of the government to claim that the killing was carried out without Mohammed’s consent.

“They’re security officials, almost certainly,” Riedel said. “From what I have seen in the photos of them with the prince, they are security and bodyguards.”

The Post obtained pictures of the passports of seven of the 15 Saudis on Tuesday and used that information to verify that one, Khalid Aedh Alotaibi, arrived in Washington in March, three days before the crown prince.

The Post on Friday obtained passport information for the remaining eight Saudis identified by Turkish officials and found that three others had also traveled to the United States on trips coinciding with travel by Saudi leaders.

Mustafa Mohammed M. Almadani, 57, touched down in New York three days after the start of Mohammed’s nationwide tour, shortly before the crown prince was due in New York City.

A year earlier, a similar scenario played out. In February 2017, Alotaibi and Fahad Shabib A. Albalawi, another alleged member of the team, arrived in Washington on the same day. Three weeks later, Mohammed met with Trump at the White House. Both Shabib and Albalawi left the United States in May.

In 2015, Alotaibi and a fourth Saudi from the alleged team, Thaar Ghaleb T. Alharbi, arrived ahead of a summit at Camp David attended by then-Crown Prince Mohammed bin Nayef and Mohammed, then the deputy crown prince.

The New York Times reported this week that photographs show a fifth man, Maher Abdulaziz M. Mutreb, with Mohammed during visits in the past year to France, Spain and the United States. Mutreb’s entry and exit records do not show any arrival or departure in the United States during the time of Mohammed’s U.S. visit.

Riedel said the lack of an entry report for Mutreb could mean he used a second passport. “Many security services provide multiple passports to their officers,” he said.

The passport records show that Mutreb visited the United States in July 2016, coinciding with a visit by Saudi Foreign Minister Adel al-Jubeir.

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan will accept Saudi Arabia’s handling of the investigation, analysts predicted, given the seniority of the Saudi officials arrested.

“Erdogan is going to accept this,” said Soner Cagaptay, a Turkey scholar at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “Erdogan is smart. He knows Trump’s not going to rupture with the Saudis over this. He knows the limits the U.S. can push against the Saudis. He’s getting enough face-saving measures that he’s thrown not one but two big fish under the bus.”


Joby Warrick, Aaron Davis, Souad Mekhennet, John Hudson, Josh Dawsey, Karoun Demirjian, Andrew Ba Tran and Julie Tate contributed to this report.

  

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Oct 11th 2018
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you absolutely right...so many fkng scandals i cant keep up
Oct 11th 2018
2
that shit got curved to begin with
Oct 11th 2018
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      it lasted a few weeks, which is a lot
Oct 11th 2018
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Oct 12th 2018
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edited.
Oct 11th 2018
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Saudi Arabia is so awful and we'll never do anything about it
Oct 11th 2018
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Oct 11th 2018
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Turks tell U.S. officials they have audio and video recordings that supp...
Oct 11th 2018
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Saudi Arabia are largely responsible for 9/11. That didn't change the
Oct 11th 2018
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Apropos of nothing but
Oct 12th 2018
13
How does all this happen INSIDE the damn embassy ?
Oct 12th 2018
11
wait why not?
Oct 12th 2018
12
Seems like the perfect place to do it.
Oct 15th 2018
15
Anyone who knows the Trump-Russia case knows Trump's inaction on Khashog...
Oct 15th 2018
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2 sources tell @clarissaward and @TimListerCNN that the Saudis are prepa...
Oct 15th 2018
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saw that coming once trump said "Rogue elements" or whatever he said
Oct 15th 2018
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We were just going to kidnap him, we didn't mean to kill him
Oct 15th 2018
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Turkish official confirms to CNN that Jamal Khashoggi’s body was cut i...
Oct 16th 2018
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What’s the deal with cutting him into pieces?
Oct 16th 2018
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      I assumed it's so they could more easily dispose of the body
Oct 16th 2018
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      lmao, to hide the evidence
Oct 18th 2018
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Suspects in Khashoggi Case Had Ties to Saudi Crown Prince
Oct 16th 2018
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WSJ has DETAILED info on the tapes (location off killing, doctor telling...
Oct 16th 2018
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this story has me significantly fucked up
Oct 17th 2018
24
beheading him sounds like some isis shit
Oct 17th 2018
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RE: beheading him sounds like some isis shit
Oct 18th 2018
31
      this is true
Oct 18th 2018
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Of course Trump's talking up "innocent until proven guilty"
Oct 17th 2018
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i wonder if nikki haleys resignation had anything to do with this.
Oct 17th 2018
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i wonder if *andrew brunson's release had anything to do with this.
Oct 18th 2018
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      The timing is suspicious as hell
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More Khashoggi-MBS Links Revealed as Suspected Killer Dies in 'Suspiciou...
Oct 18th 2018
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might be one of the few conspiracy theories
Oct 18th 2018
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^^^ been waiting on these stories
Oct 19th 2018
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what
Oct 18th 2018
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i hope it turns out kushner was directly involved in some way.
Oct 18th 2018
36
...but what about those e-mails?
Oct 18th 2018
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"other Saudi errors"
Oct 19th 2018
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      its so annoying when you accidentally kill a busload of children
Oct 19th 2018
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Holy Shit, they have found a way to blame this on a black man.
Oct 19th 2018
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WaPo raises prospect Pompeo’s not listening to Khashoggi tape—becaus...
Oct 20th 2018
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they gonna have to leak to the public at this point
Oct 23rd 2018
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How the man behind Khashoggi murder ran the killing via Skype
Oct 22nd 2018
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jesus.
Oct 23rd 2018
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Wow: photo of Khashoggi's son forced to shake hands with MsB
Oct 23rd 2018
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Reports; Body found in Saudi Consul General's yard
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Oct 25th 2018
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Wow...will he be executed?
Oct 26th 2018
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Nov 01st 2018
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Did you hear the one about 2 Saudi girls found dead in NYC
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Nov 16th 2018
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Abramson.
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Isn't it crazy how much the criminal activity is out in the open?
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      Yea it's mindblowing.
Nov 20th 2018
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there should be calls for his immediate resignation.
Nov 20th 2018
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Nov 20th 2018
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and buy your weapons from the US!
Nov 20th 2018
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RE: Shorter Trump statement: Kill whoever you want, just keep the oil fl...
Nov 20th 2018
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man. I don't want ANY of this smoke.
Nov 20th 2018
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yeah oil and weapons is secondary. Saudi prince likes him so he's cool
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POTUS is trolling people about a murder.
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