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57. "You are arguing against statements I did not make"
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You said "Obama didn't make him chairman."

I never said Obama made Pai chairman.

You "Obama made Tom Wheeler chairman, and Wheeler's FCC came up with the rules that were repealed today."

I never said Tom Wheeler was not chairman and I never said Tom Wheeler's FCC didn't come up with the rules repealed today.

Before you say it, I will knock this straw man down too, I am not saying Michael was not appointed to the FCC by Bill Clinton and made chairman by Bush. Now with that out of the way, back to what you said

<<Obama was required by law to appoint a Republican, and constrained by standard protocols to take a recommendation from the Senate leader of the other party. I don't know how you think he could have found the rare pro-net-neutrality Republican.>>

smh I never said Obama had to find that rare pro-net neutrality Republican. What is the straw man thing all about, you are writing about something I never said over and over ? How about tackling the words on the screen. Does "constrained by standard protocols mean he is legally required to take the oppositions recommendation ?

<<But it wouldn't have made any difference if he had! The board passed strong net neutrality rules DESPITE Pai's objection. When Pai was appointed as a minority member, his complaints were as toothless as the complaints from the Democrats on the board today.>>

So put anybody on the board because they will be toothless since Democrats will always be in the majority.

<<There is now a Republican majority on the board, NOT because of any decision that Barack Obama made, but simply because a Republican is President. Trump could have nominated anyone he wanted to the chairmanship, just like Obama did. Obama's appointment of Pai to a minority seat had absolutely nothing to do with him now being chair.>>

I never said Republican's are the majority because of Obama. LOL This is ridiculous look my problem is with Obama taking McConnell's recommendation, so you can save the how the FCC works fyi.

I'm going to take a chance and talk about something that might make you create more straw men, but try to hold back.

Trump picked two incompetents for the federal bench. Sen. Charles Grassley from Trump's party pushed back and now they will not be seated. That's all I'm saying is Obama could have pushed back on Pai. Now let me add this disclaimers for your straw man that's coming. I know federal judges are not the FCC board. I know Trump is not the opposition party making a recommendation.

<<We lost net neutrality because a Republican is in the White House, and no other reason. And a Republican is in the White House, in part, because a lot of ill-informed and logic-challenged 'progressives' were out there claiming there wasn't much difference between Donald Trump and Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.>>

LOL yeah a Republican in the White House helped repeal net neutrality, I agree with that, but the rest of your comments sound like the progressives you have a problem with who always blame Hillary for Trump winning, just switch dem establishment for "progressives" and "no difference between..." for she was the only one who could win.


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FCC just appealed Net Neutrality. [View all] , bwood, Thu Dec-14-17 02:21 PM
 
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Dec 14th 2017
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I really hope one of these judges comes to their senses
Dec 14th 2017
2
Repealed, you mean.
Dec 14th 2017
3
^^^^^^
Dec 14th 2017
34
Is there anything good from this??
Dec 14th 2017
4
if you're a time warner/comcast/whoever shareholder
Dec 14th 2017
6
"too many government regulations. kills innovation"
Dec 14th 2017
7
      ^ correct. "Government needs to allow economic freedom"
Dec 14th 2017
10
they will sell the internet like car wash packages
Dec 14th 2017
5
capitalism is gonna destroy the world b.
Dec 14th 2017
8
Mothernature says: Gonna?
Dec 14th 2017
12
So, what's destroying Venezuela then?
Dec 14th 2017
31
      Gilbert Grape.
Dec 14th 2017
37
damn, we gonna have to pay for "hot wax", now? smh
Dec 14th 2017
9
      Don't forget the tire shine.
Dec 14th 2017
11
           but it'll be windex instead
Dec 15th 2017
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                LOLLLL
Dec 15th 2017
69
Drain the swamp
Dec 14th 2017
13
i hope states rush to pass net neutrality laws
Dec 14th 2017
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^ word.
Dec 14th 2017
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fcc has promised to preempt state laws
Dec 14th 2017
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i'm in TX....even if that did pass Abbot would probably veto
Dec 14th 2017
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im obviously for free speech, consumer rights, innovation etc
Dec 14th 2017
15
Its very fair
Dec 14th 2017
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RE: Its very fair
Dec 14th 2017
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But this is chutzpah
Dec 14th 2017
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      i agree with you. but chutzpah has been rewarded plenty of times
Dec 15th 2017
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and i understand that "fair" is a poor term to use
Dec 14th 2017
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      Is it unfair for those companies to build
Dec 14th 2017
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           so we need to decide if internet is indeed truly a public utility
Dec 14th 2017
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           also, if Google started providing similar services as the water comapny
Dec 14th 2017
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                Wal-mart sells water.
Dec 14th 2017
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                     this comparison is starting to be stretched thin as hell but
Dec 14th 2017
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i think this is what it is mostly about for telecoms.
Dec 14th 2017
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exactly. it's super duper trash for the consumers, stifles innovation
Dec 14th 2017
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These companies are not hurting
Dec 14th 2017
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trust, i shed no tears for any of these companies involved
Dec 14th 2017
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      I agree
Dec 14th 2017
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it's all ridiculous though, amazon servers host netflix and
Dec 14th 2017
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car companies don't pay gas companies
Dec 15th 2017
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this is far from apples to apples, imo
Dec 15th 2017
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update: thanks y'all this was helpful & gave me more rebuttals
Dec 15th 2017
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People will have to create their own ISP or some kind of innovation
Dec 14th 2017
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Trump kicked our ass this year...
Dec 14th 2017
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i highly doubt trump has the intellect to conjure up half this sht
Dec 14th 2017
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      A useful idiot. All you gotta tell him is he's undoing an Obama thing
Dec 14th 2017
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We don't claim Ajit Pai
Dec 14th 2017
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is it true Obama appointed him?
Dec 14th 2017
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      wth
Dec 14th 2017
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      that's how the FCC works
Dec 14th 2017
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      For the people making excuses
Dec 14th 2017
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           So he just needed to find a Republican who supports net neutrality,
Dec 14th 2017
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           Nah a crazy thing like don't go
Dec 14th 2017
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                The leader of the opposition party makes the recommendation.
Dec 14th 2017
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                     The President is forced to pick the oppositions recommendation right
Dec 14th 2017
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                          You still don't understand the basic logic of this.
Dec 14th 2017
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                                    I'll admit, I gave you too much credit.
Dec 15th 2017
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                                         I'll also admit I was kind of a dick in this exchange.
Dec 15th 2017
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                                         This is nothing new you are always a dick
Dec 15th 2017
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                                              I really am sometimes. I'm a dick to those who deserve it.
Dec 15th 2017
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                                                   Like I said nothing new another coward who is "aggressive" on
Dec 15th 2017
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                                         Nice try but you can't save face by using a lie to cover
Dec 15th 2017
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                                              You try to give someone an escape route.
Dec 15th 2017
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                                                   Once again more straw man
Dec 15th 2017
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           ok bro. show me your last decade of tracking FCC moves.
Dec 14th 2017
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                He extrapolated his whole argument from one sentence on Wikipedia.
Dec 14th 2017
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                Well I guess I could talk about Tom Wheeler
Dec 15th 2017
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                     And the fact that he classified broadband as a utility.
Dec 15th 2017
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                You are a mod try to carry yourself that way
Dec 15th 2017
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                     yeah, I'd probably argue about who is impolite instead of
Dec 15th 2017
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                          Ok this is a start
Dec 15th 2017
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      Not chairman but to the commission but
Dec 14th 2017
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      Ah ok thank you
Dec 15th 2017
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      Obama appointed him to a lower seat on the board.
Dec 14th 2017
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Well there goes your free porn
Dec 14th 2017
39
Boom this is what I was talking about - I'm signing up
Dec 15th 2017
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Hopefully this kind of stuff can be a silver lining
Dec 15th 2017
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