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Stringer Bell
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26. "Is it unfair for those companies to build"
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Thu Dec-14-17 04:55 PM by Stringer Bell

          

themselves to such heights on the backs of the water and power companies? Surely Google is worth more than your local water district...

Keep in mind, Google paid for their higher usage of electricity and water, and likewise net neutrality didn't force ISPs to charge a flat rate for unlimited bandwidth. If Google uses tons more data purchased through ISPs, the ISPs are allowed to charge Google more for those tons more data.

To my understanding net neturality simply regulated internet as a utility whereby the ISP can't evaluate how much each user makes off their products and adjust their charges accordingly. They have to treat all bandwidth, and all customers, the same.

If Google uses a terrabyte, the ISP must charge Google the same price for that terrabyte they charge you or me (or their corporate partners).

Imagine if the power company could selectively charge each user based on the user's income? If you get a raise, the power company raises your bill, and a really successful business could in essence be extorted by these entities, which would not serve the communities or the economy. But of course, the power companies alone would make more money.

Previous generations of politicians were wise enough to forbid such practices by utilities, and through net neutrality, by ISPs as well.

  

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FCC just appealed Net Neutrality. [View all] , bwood, Thu Dec-14-17 02:21 PM
 
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OKP = $0.99/month
Dec 14th 2017
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I really hope one of these judges comes to their senses
Dec 14th 2017
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Repealed, you mean.
Dec 14th 2017
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^^^^^^
Dec 14th 2017
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Is there anything good from this??
Dec 14th 2017
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if you're a time warner/comcast/whoever shareholder
Dec 14th 2017
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"too many government regulations. kills innovation"
Dec 14th 2017
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      ^ correct. "Government needs to allow economic freedom"
Dec 14th 2017
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they will sell the internet like car wash packages
Dec 14th 2017
5
capitalism is gonna destroy the world b.
Dec 14th 2017
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Mothernature says: Gonna?
Dec 14th 2017
12
So, what's destroying Venezuela then?
Dec 14th 2017
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      Gilbert Grape.
Dec 14th 2017
37
damn, we gonna have to pay for "hot wax", now? smh
Dec 14th 2017
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      Don't forget the tire shine.
Dec 14th 2017
11
           but it'll be windex instead
Dec 15th 2017
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                LOLLLL
Dec 15th 2017
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Drain the swamp
Dec 14th 2017
13
i hope states rush to pass net neutrality laws
Dec 14th 2017
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^ word.
Dec 14th 2017
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fcc has promised to preempt state laws
Dec 14th 2017
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i'm in TX....even if that did pass Abbot would probably veto
Dec 14th 2017
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im obviously for free speech, consumer rights, innovation etc
Dec 14th 2017
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Its very fair
Dec 14th 2017
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RE: Its very fair
Dec 14th 2017
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But this is chutzpah
Dec 14th 2017
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      i agree with you. but chutzpah has been rewarded plenty of times
Dec 15th 2017
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and i understand that "fair" is a poor term to use
Dec 14th 2017
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           so we need to decide if internet is indeed truly a public utility
Dec 14th 2017
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           also, if Google started providing similar services as the water comapny
Dec 14th 2017
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                Wal-mart sells water.
Dec 14th 2017
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                     this comparison is starting to be stretched thin as hell but
Dec 14th 2017
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i think this is what it is mostly about for telecoms.
Dec 14th 2017
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exactly. it's super duper trash for the consumers, stifles innovation
Dec 14th 2017
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These companies are not hurting
Dec 14th 2017
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trust, i shed no tears for any of these companies involved
Dec 14th 2017
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      I agree
Dec 14th 2017
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it's all ridiculous though, amazon servers host netflix and
Dec 14th 2017
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car companies don't pay gas companies
Dec 15th 2017
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this is far from apples to apples, imo
Dec 15th 2017
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update: thanks y'all this was helpful & gave me more rebuttals
Dec 15th 2017
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People will have to create their own ISP or some kind of innovation
Dec 14th 2017
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Trump kicked our ass this year...
Dec 14th 2017
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i highly doubt trump has the intellect to conjure up half this sht
Dec 14th 2017
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      A useful idiot. All you gotta tell him is he's undoing an Obama thing
Dec 14th 2017
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We don't claim Ajit Pai
Dec 14th 2017
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is it true Obama appointed him?
Dec 14th 2017
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      wth
Dec 14th 2017
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      that's how the FCC works
Dec 14th 2017
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      For the people making excuses
Dec 14th 2017
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           So he just needed to find a Republican who supports net neutrality,
Dec 14th 2017
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           Nah a crazy thing like don't go
Dec 14th 2017
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                The leader of the opposition party makes the recommendation.
Dec 14th 2017
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                     The President is forced to pick the oppositions recommendation right
Dec 14th 2017
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                          You still don't understand the basic logic of this.
Dec 14th 2017
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                               You are arguing against statements I did not make
Dec 15th 2017
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                                    I'll admit, I gave you too much credit.
Dec 15th 2017
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                                         I'll also admit I was kind of a dick in this exchange.
Dec 15th 2017
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                                         This is nothing new you are always a dick
Dec 15th 2017
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                                              I really am sometimes. I'm a dick to those who deserve it.
Dec 15th 2017
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                                                   Like I said nothing new another coward who is "aggressive" on
Dec 15th 2017
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                                         Nice try but you can't save face by using a lie to cover
Dec 15th 2017
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                                              You try to give someone an escape route.
Dec 15th 2017
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                                                   Once again more straw man
Dec 15th 2017
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           ok bro. show me your last decade of tracking FCC moves.
Dec 14th 2017
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                He extrapolated his whole argument from one sentence on Wikipedia.
Dec 14th 2017
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                Well I guess I could talk about Tom Wheeler
Dec 15th 2017
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                     And the fact that he classified broadband as a utility.
Dec 15th 2017
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                You are a mod try to carry yourself that way
Dec 15th 2017
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                     yeah, I'd probably argue about who is impolite instead of
Dec 15th 2017
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                          Ok this is a start
Dec 15th 2017
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      Not chairman but to the commission but
Dec 14th 2017
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      Ah ok thank you
Dec 15th 2017
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      Obama appointed him to a lower seat on the board.
Dec 14th 2017
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Well there goes your free porn
Dec 14th 2017
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Boom this is what I was talking about - I'm signing up
Dec 15th 2017
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Hopefully this kind of stuff can be a silver lining
Dec 15th 2017
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