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"steve jobs had the vision to put iPods in a context the public could use..."


          

i dig that.

but there are also ppl like tesla, who essentially got screwed by ppl like thomas edison, not because he didn't have better ideas,
but because thomas edison just had the money and clout to drown out
the competition.

that's the shit i don't like.



i also have a problem with the idea that things only have value
if you can make money off of doing it.

some things have a value to society and should not be things that
have a profit incentive.

ppl should not be making money off of things like health care.
our current health system, and our current criminal justice system,
are brilliant in terms of ability to profit off of other people's suffering... but to be honest, the fact that there are better systems
out there that DON'T result in massive profits can't get off the ground is... disturbing, to say the least.


and also, i think that there is a value to society for ppl
to sit around and think of brilliant things.

we need dreamers just as much as we need ppl that cold and calculating. society is worse off when dreamers get strangled
by ppl that have all the money.

society couldn't function if we were all dreamers.


we kinda need both.

  

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What's more impressive to you, ideas or execution? [View all] , John Forte, Tue Nov-17-15 12:19 PM
 
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why would i be impressd with someone who doesnt execute their idea?
Nov 17th 2015
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it depends on the idea or execution.
Nov 17th 2015
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i'll pick doers over dreamers 9 times outta 10
Nov 17th 2015
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You could also frame it as academics vs industry
Nov 17th 2015
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      i'm still goin industry over academia and i have the utmost respect for
Nov 17th 2015
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           Of course. But you entered the machine & it dehumanized you somewhat
Nov 17th 2015
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It depends. Does your definition of "execution" here depend on monetiza...
Nov 17th 2015
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^
Nov 17th 2015
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also, 'idea' can mean many things.
Nov 17th 2015
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I'm easily impressed by both, but ideas take the cake for me.
Nov 17th 2015
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steve jobs had the vision to put iPods in a context the public could use...
Nov 17th 2015
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The portable mp3 player had been around for 3 years before the ipod
Nov 17th 2015
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steve jobs had the vision to put iPods in a context the public could use...
Nov 17th 2015
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How can anyone pick red? Ideas are a dime a dozen. Most good ideas
Nov 17th 2015
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execution is also a dime per dozen.
Nov 17th 2015
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This couldn't be further from the truth
Nov 17th 2015
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Ehhh...I don't know. It's actually a mixture.
Nov 17th 2015
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but your idea isn't YT.
Nov 17th 2015
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      Oh of course my "idea" wasn't anything near what YouTube had
Nov 17th 2015
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      i think the idea is unique.
Nov 17th 2015
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      I like to say that I thought up Napster before Sean what's his face.
Nov 17th 2015
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           detail matters.
Nov 17th 2015
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           That's not the difference, it's the execution!!!
Nov 17th 2015
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                the coding is part of the idea.
Nov 17th 2015
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                The coding is the execution.
Nov 18th 2015
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                Buddy_Winklevoss over here
Nov 17th 2015
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                     That's my point though, I didn't invent Napster. I ws just another guy
Nov 18th 2015
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           that's barely an idea though. It's practically a dream
Nov 17th 2015
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                which is why you have to execute the idea..
Nov 17th 2015
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                     Nah, I'm talking about an executable dream
Nov 17th 2015
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                          gotcha..
Nov 17th 2015
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                          Well my point was I had the means to execute the idea. I just didn't.
Nov 18th 2015
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That was my challenge. Share one unique Idea and it's originator.
Nov 17th 2015
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      Japanese tissue.
Nov 17th 2015
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           Doesn't this help my point?
Nov 18th 2015
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who was more important in the development of motown?
Nov 17th 2015
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I don't think Motown is a good example
Nov 17th 2015
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you only have heard of the funk bros. because of berry gordy.
Nov 17th 2015
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      wtf aee you talking about? all those artist could play and sing extremel...
Nov 17th 2015
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      plenty of now annymous session musicians were talented.
Nov 17th 2015
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      No. Berry Gordon's Idea was to form a music label. It wasn't the
Nov 17th 2015
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           all of this is after the fact.
Nov 17th 2015
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RE: who was more important in the development of motown?
Nov 17th 2015
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but for berry gordy, james jamerson would be a hopeless drunk.
Nov 17th 2015
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      RE: but for berry gordy, james jamerson would be a hopeless drunk.
Nov 17th 2015
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           i am with you, so long as we remove profit as a measuring stick.
Nov 17th 2015
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                RE: i am with you, so long as we remove profit as a measuring stick.
Nov 17th 2015
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horrible example...
Nov 17th 2015
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      they only recorded it because somebody financed it.
Nov 17th 2015
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      no... no man... no
Nov 17th 2015
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      a story about james jameson....
Nov 17th 2015
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^^^ Dehumanized by the machine
Nov 17th 2015
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i dont mean to be law school gunner here
Nov 17th 2015
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      But I am not arguing innovative ideas are rare. I say there are no new
Nov 18th 2015
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how do we even know about most great ideas unless they are published?
Nov 17th 2015
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Both
Nov 17th 2015
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the key word in the poll is "impressive"
Nov 17th 2015
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It doesn't matter
Nov 17th 2015
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      I'm not asking this question from inside of the business
Nov 17th 2015
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           I'm not sure what you're not getting
Nov 17th 2015
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LMAO
Nov 17th 2015
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Nope. Steve Job proves that execution is waay more important that ideas...
Nov 17th 2015
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      or, he proves ideas and execution are equally important.
Nov 17th 2015
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i think its a case by case thing
Nov 17th 2015
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Execution
Nov 17th 2015
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it's like choosing eggs vs chicken...i like both
Nov 17th 2015
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i laughed.
Nov 17th 2015
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I'm most impressed by people who get others to execute
Nov 17th 2015
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george clinton, michael jackson, ppl like that.
Nov 17th 2015
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      absolutely. in all facets of creative endeavors, too.
Nov 17th 2015
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Better execution can improve anything... even ideas
Nov 17th 2015
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JOHN FORTE WE LOVE YOU!
Nov 17th 2015
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Top of the muffin TO YOU!
Nov 17th 2015
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Eeeeeeeeeveryone got a business they want to run.
Nov 18th 2015
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ideas are more important. the results of implementation..
Nov 18th 2015
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^ I might have to co-sign that sentiment.
Nov 18th 2015
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