Creative has an idea and does nothing to monetize it. Businessman sees idea, implements it and profits. Are you more impressed with the creative or the businessman?

Poll question: What's more impressive to you, ideas or execution?

Poll result (17 votes) Ideas (6 votes) Vote Execution (11 votes) Vote

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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

academics

i thought the exact opposite when i was younger.

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I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

>academics
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>i thought the exact opposite when i was younger.
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>I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

>Creative has an idea and does nothing to monetize it.
>Businessman sees idea, implements it and profits. Are you more
>impressed with the creative or the businessman?

Or is "execution" any implementation of that idea?

how much work went into developing the 'idea'? how much detail did the 'idea' have? is the 'idea' original?

inter alia.

i dig that.

but there are also ppl like tesla, who essentially got screwed by ppl like thomas edison, not because he didn't have better ideas,
but because thomas edison just had the money and clout to drown out
the competition.

that's the shit i don't like.



i also have a problem with the idea that things only have value
if you can make money off of doing it.

some things have a value to society and should not be things that
have a profit incentive.

ppl should not be making money off of things like health care.
our current health system, and our current criminal justice system,
are brilliant in terms of ability to profit off of other people's suffering... but to be honest, the fact that there are better systems
out there that DON'T result in massive profits can't get off the ground is... disturbing, to say the least.


and also, i think that there is a value to society for ppl
to sit around and think of brilliant things.

we need dreamers just as much as we need ppl that cold and calculating. society is worse off when dreamers get strangled
by ppl that have all the money.

society couldn't function if we were all dreamers.


we kinda need both.

i dig that.

but there are also ppl like tesla, who essentially got screwed by ppl like thomas edison, not because he didn't have better ideas,
but because thomas edison just had the money and clout to drown out
the competition.

that's the shit i don't like.



i also have a problem with the idea that things only have value
if you can make money off of doing it.

some things have a value to society and should not be things that
have a profit incentive.

ppl should not be making money off of things like health care.
our current health system, and our current criminal justice system,
are brilliant in terms of ability to profit off of other people's suffering... but to be honest, the fact that there are better systems
out there that DON'T result in massive profits can't get off the ground is... disturbing, to say the least.


and also, i think that there is a value to society for ppl
to sit around and think of brilliant things.

we need dreamers just as much as we need ppl that cold and calculating. society is worse off when dreamers get strangled
by ppl that have all the money.

society couldn't function if we were all dreamers.


we kinda need both.

The first one kinda sucked, but it was the second joint, Diamond's Rio, that put them on the map for real. The RIAA even sued Diamond over it long before Jobs decided to act on that market.

Even after the iPod had been released, it sold like shit for years 'cause it was Mac only whereas PC users had dozens of options to choose from.


>i also have a problem with the idea that things only have
>value
>if you can make money off of doing it.
>
>some things have a value to society and should not be things
>that
>have a profit incentive.


I have this argument with my wife quite frequently when it comes to my artwork and music. After I finish a piece of work her question is always "well... what are you going to do with it? Are you going to sell it and make money?"

She doesn't get it that I can create something simply because I want to and enjoy doing it and not simply to make a buck.


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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

i dig that.

but there are also ppl like tesla, who essentially got screwed by ppl like thomas edison, not because he didn't have better ideas,
but because thomas edison just had the money and clout to drown out
the competition.

that's the shit i don't like.



i also have a problem with the idea that things only have value
if you can make money off of doing it.

some things have a value to society and should not be things that
have a profit incentive.

ppl should not be making money off of things like health care.
our current health system, and our current criminal justice system,
are brilliant in terms of ability to profit off of other people's suffering... but to be honest, the fact that there are better systems
out there that DON'T result in massive profits can't get off the ground is... disturbing, to say the least.


and also, i think that there is a value to society for ppl
to sit around and think of brilliant things.

we need dreamers just as much as we need ppl that cold and calculating. society is worse off when dreamers get strangled
by ppl that have all the money.

society couldn't function if we were all dreamers.


we kinda need both.

have already been thought up. Ain't nothing new under the sun, you know the drill.

Share one great idea that someone thought up and I am sure we could find where that idea isn't as original or new as people think.


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picking up someone else's 'idea' and making a few phone calls ain't shit.

Unique ideas are exceeding rare and most people reject them out of hand.

For example, my boy reminds me that I "invented YouTube" back in High School. There was a play that Eddie Jones did, and I remember saying "man, I wish I could find it online...they should have a video database online where you can just type in ANYTHING and see videos of it."

I'm sure thousands of folks had that same thought, and I'm sure that a few hundred even created websites that were similar to YouTube...but the ones that actually created YouTube had the execution part down 100% to where it became what it was.

On the other hand, there's some ideas that are much more unique and specific that are nearly genius...but we generally see a LOT of things that profit due to the execution more so than the uniqueness of the idea.

your idea lacked the key element that makes YT what it is - YT's content is uploaded by YT's members as opposed to YT seeking it out to maintain a database of videos.

your idea sounds more like Hulu, et al.

i dunno who came up w/the idea to allow users to post videos on a website but i agree that many ppl probably thought it'd be great to have a database of videos.

And I'm not sure if there were any other websites that were similar to YouTube, where the users uploaded. But yeah, the overall point was that the execution of YouTube, among plenty other factors, is what lead to it becoming successful...vs it being the most unique, "OMG!!!" idea in the world.

b/c there were/are several other similar sites but something about YT may be unique among those others which could be why it's the leader among video hosting sites.

I remember first seeing Mp3s pop-up on my local college campus network. I would spend all this time browsing peoples shared folders on the campus network and would stumble across the music of people sharing music. I remember thinking there has to be a better way and doing yahoo searches to find a better tool for searching networks for specific file types (MP3s). I assumed it would already be out there but it wasn't.

What I should have done is walk across the hall to my boys room and all his nerd CS roommates and told them that they should build a tool to search and share music files. I didn't.

It was less than a year later when I saw Napster and I was like, yeah that's what I was looking for!

My great idea + no execution = nada.

Same idea + with shabby rudimentary programming = kick off to the digital music age.




>your idea lacked the key element that makes YT what it is -
>YT's content is uploaded by YT's members as opposed to YT
>seeking it out to maintain a database of videos.
>
>your idea sounds more like Hulu, et al.
>
>i dunno who came up w/the idea to allow users to post videos
>on a website but i agree that many ppl probably thought it'd
>be great to have a database of videos.


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your 'idea' isn't very formed. Sean's idea went beyond yours.

an idea w/more detail is likely more unique and more likely to impress me than yours.

It's a super simple idea. And it was super simple to execute. I think I recall him taking like less than a day to code it.

It's one of those ideas where the second you say it, people get it. If I went through the process of executing the idea, the programming dudes would have worked out the details.


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like, Sean's idea included the 'how to code' part. yours didn't.

>like, Sean's idea included the 'how to code' part. yours
>didn't.


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If you guys were the inventors of Napster, you would have invented Napster!

with an idea.


>If you guys were the inventors of Napster, you would have
>invented Napster!


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cause it's really nothing but a dream if you don't do anything besides talk about it or think about it.

where the creator isn't a businessman/entrepeneur. That's different from a lay-person saying "why don't they make zero calorie ice cream that tastes just like regular ice cream".

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>Unique ideas are exceeding rare and most people reject them
>out of hand.


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i dunno whose idea it was.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_tissue

but someone at Kimberly Clark took that ^ and invented Kleenex.

the idea wasn't entirely original (in that paper tissue pre-dates Kleenex) but someone at KC took that and ran w/it. they came up w/something w/unique characteristics and that idea became Kleenex.

>i dunno whose idea it was.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_tissue
>
>but someone at Kimberly Clark took that ^ and invented
>Kleenex.
>
>the idea wasn't entirely original (in that paper tissue
>pre-dates Kleenex) but someone at KC took that and ran w/it.
>they came up w/something w/unique characteristics and that
>idea became Kleenex.


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was it berry gordy, who had the money, the payola, and the business savy to break important artists?

or was it the songwriters, musicians, and artists that
created the genius work that berry gordy promoted?


this is a trick question. nobody would have ever heard of berry gordy
or the artists he broke if not for the perfect union of business
and talent.


and as you can see, most labels do not have such a perfect union
between execution and ideas.... which is why motown is one of the few
labels that left an enduring legacy on humanity.


we see what happens when ppl have the business savy, but no meat.
we also see what happens when artists with no business savy are left to their own devices.

i don't get how you can value one more than the other...
unless you assume that the only things of value is stuff that makes
somebody gobs and gobs of money.

because who are the ideas people and who are the executioner people in that example?

In my mind they are all executioners (Berry Gordon and the Musicians).

That would different from a person who thought about song ideas or starting a record label.



>was it berry gordy, who had the money, the payola, and the
>business savy to break important artists?
>
>or was it the songwriters, musicians, and artists that
>created the genius work that berry gordy promoted?
>
>
>this is a trick question. nobody would have ever heard of
>berry gordy
>or the artists he broke if not for the perfect union of
>business
>and talent.
>
>
>and as you can see, most labels do not have such a perfect
>union
>between execution and ideas.... which is why motown is one of
>the few
>labels that left an enduring legacy on humanity.
>
>
>we see what happens when ppl have the business savy, but no
>meat.
>we also see what happens when artists with no business savy
>are left to their own devices.
>
>i don't get how you can value one more than the other...
>unless you assume that the only things of value is stuff that
>makes
>somebody gobs and gobs of money.


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but for berry gordy, james jamerson would have been a penniless
drunk who was good at bass guitar, but never "executed."

all "ideas," no execution.

fact: in many cases, "execution" requires "money."
and after the money, comes the ppl that can frame the idea
in a context that the public can recognize as valuable.

often, the difference between a hopeless dreamer
and an artistic genius is the right packaging, the right timing.

that, in and of itself, i don't have a problem with.
the problem is that hopeless dreamers often get a bad rap.
you only get called a genius if the shit you do works.

if the shit you do doesn't work, or stops working,
you get put into the hopeless dreamer category.
consider MJ between then end of his J5 run and his first few
aimless albums on CBS with the Jacksons vs.
MJ post OTW, post thriller.

or the difference between the PR he got for Thriller
and the PR he got for Bad.


many of our most important cultural acheviments came from
ppl that are, in many ways, hopeless dreamers, and those ppl
could not have been able to create works of genius had they not had a part of them that was a hopeless dreamer.

(SEE ALSO: prince, in any year besides 1984)



we need hopeless dreamers just as much as we need their benefactors.


and benefactors usually get the credit anyway,
so i am in this post sticking up for the dreamers.

so well people paid money to record them and fans bought it.

they executed their artistry

and also executed songs.

only ppl with benefactors get hailed as geniuses,
and sometimes it takes more than that.




>so well people paid money to record them and fans bought it.
>
>
>they executed their artistry

Funk Brothers Idea to form a label. There idea was to make music.

BG executed on making a label. FBs executed on making music.

There are plenty of drunk musicians, that doesn't make them less executioners.

Like there are also plenty of dudes who try to start record labels that are executioners and fail.



Being an executioner doesn't gaurantee you becoming rich and I agree that the executioners of BG and the Executioners of Musicians coming together created something greater than any of them could have done on their own.



>but for berry gordy, james jamerson would have been a
>penniless
>drunk who was good at bass guitar, but never "executed."
>
>all "ideas," no execution.
>
>fact: in many cases, "execution" requires "money."
>and after the money, comes the ppl that can frame the idea
>in a context that the public can recognize as valuable.
>
>often, the difference between a hopeless dreamer
>and an artistic genius is the right packaging, the right
>timing.
>
>that, in and of itself, i don't have a problem with.
>the problem is that hopeless dreamers often get a bad rap.
>you only get called a genius if the shit you do works.
>
>if the shit you do doesn't work, or stops working,
>you get put into the hopeless dreamer category.
>consider MJ between then end of his J5 run and his first few
>aimless albums on CBS with the Jacksons vs.
>MJ post OTW, post thriller.
>
>or the difference between the PR he got for Thriller
>and the PR he got for Bad.
>
>
>many of our most important cultural acheviments came from
>ppl that are, in many ways, hopeless dreamers, and those ppl
>could not have been able to create works of genius had they
>not had a part of them that was a hopeless dreamer.
>
>(SEE ALSO: prince, in any year besides 1984)
>
>
>
>we need hopeless dreamers just as much as we need their
>benefactors.
>
>
>and benefactors usually get the credit anyway,
>so i am in this post sticking up for the dreamers.
>
>
>


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it's easy to say berry and the funk bros. "executed" now.
they were successful.

had they not been successful (which easily could have happened)
they would have been niggas that needed to get a job.




>Funk Brothers Idea to form a label. There idea was to make
>music.
>
>BG executed on making a label. FBs executed on making music.
>
>
>There are plenty of drunk musicians, that doesn't make them
>less executioners.
>
>Like there are also plenty of dudes who try to start record
>labels that are executioners and fail.
>
>
>
>Being an executioner doesn't gaurantee you becoming rich and I
>agree that the executioners of BG and the Executioners of
>Musicians coming together created something greater than any
>of them could have done on their own.
>
>
>
>>but for berry gordy, james jamerson would have been a
>>penniless
>>drunk who was good at bass guitar, but never "executed."
>>
>>all "ideas," no execution.
>>
>>fact: in many cases, "execution" requires "money."
>>and after the money, comes the ppl that can frame the idea
>>in a context that the public can recognize as valuable.
>>
>>often, the difference between a hopeless dreamer
>>and an artistic genius is the right packaging, the right
>>timing.
>>
>>that, in and of itself, i don't have a problem with.
>>the problem is that hopeless dreamers often get a bad rap.
>>you only get called a genius if the shit you do works.
>>
>>if the shit you do doesn't work, or stops working,
>>you get put into the hopeless dreamer category.
>>consider MJ between then end of his J5 run and his first few
>
>>aimless albums on CBS with the Jacksons vs.
>>MJ post OTW, post thriller.
>>
>>or the difference between the PR he got for Thriller
>>and the PR he got for Bad.
>>
>>
>>many of our most important cultural acheviments came from
>>ppl that are, in many ways, hopeless dreamers, and those ppl
>>could not have been able to create works of genius had they
>>not had a part of them that was a hopeless dreamer.
>>
>>(SEE ALSO: prince, in any year besides 1984)
>>
>>
>>
>>we need hopeless dreamers just as much as we need their
>>benefactors.
>>
>>
>>and benefactors usually get the credit anyway,
>>so i am in this post sticking up for the dreamers.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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>
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a song is already an executed idea...

an idea would be saying.. "we should write a song about.. whats going on" and then do nothing..

a talented drunk, sure...
but a drunk nevertheless.

certainly not the genius he is hailed as now.

he would be a genius plucking away on a guitar in a garage
that ppl made fun of and scoffed.

he was a genius when he played the bass line to What's going on
while laying on his back, drunk off his ass.


but for berry gordy, he would STILL be a genius.
but if he rambled to you about how he was a genius,
most ppl would say he "lacked execution", and was a joke.

geniuses are only recognized as geniuses if they have benefactors.
but their genius (and the drawbacks that come with having a genius mind) often go unrecognzied.

>a song is already an executed idea...
>
>an idea would be saying.. "we should write a song about..
>whats going on" and then do nothing..
>
>

Geniuses need actual people to recognize it.. yes...

The more people the better...

But "execution" comes in a few levels..

If he sat drunk and only talked about songs but never played them.. then he didnt execute.. but actually writing them.. actually going in to the studio (even drunk) is still execution..

Sure Gordy amplified it.. but if the idea was still in his head Barry would've never heard it..

So execution still wins

We all agree, i think, that you haven't created anything unless you have something tangible to show for it.

a blueprint to design something.
a demo.
something written on sheet music.
a demo.

something.

if you mean execution as, did you finish something? did you complete a project (or at least an implementable PLAN for a project), then yes.

execution is more important.


but many times, at least in the context of this conversation of
"Creatives vs. The Suits",
Execution means who sold more and who made the money off of it.

Some executives, like clive davis, can justifiably share creative credit for their artists... because they were integral in creating the package that was sold to the public.

other executives litterally steal other ppl's shit and put it out as their own because they have more money and resources than the competition.


that is the implication i am pushing back against.


just because you made money doesn't mean you executed something of cultural value. (the prison system and insurance compankes make lots of money. that doesn't make them "valuable").


if a penniless artist that actually creates art can still be considered somebody who "executes," i agree.


>If he sat drunk and only talked about songs but never played
>them.. then he didnt execute.. but actually writing them..
>actually going in to the studio (even drunk) is still
>execution..
>
>Sure Gordy amplified it.. but if the idea was still in his
>head Barry would've never heard it..
>
>So execution still wins

ah.. I didnt get that from initial post.. but I feel you on that

those guys wrote, played, recorded music...

they didn't talk about it

>those guys wrote, played, recorded music...
>


and had motown not been successful, they would be
the ppl you make fun of making beats in their basement
while getting drunk or high and not holding a steady job.

you are only a genius if you are successful.
if you fail, you are a crank.

often, successful ppl need benefactors.

>those guys wrote, played, recorded music...
>
>they didn't talk about it


he was drunk, in a cafe, and "my girl" comes on the juke box.
he said, "that's me playing on that record."

the entire table laughed at him.

tbh, the difference between him being recognized as a genius
and him being the drunk dude that ppl feel sorry for or scoff at
is the genius coming into the correct circumstances to be recognized as a genius.

often, that doesn't happnen. which really, is fine.

but he would have still had a genius mind whether or not
he got the gig as a motown session musician or not.

>have already been thought up. Ain't nothing new under the
>sun, you know the drill.
>
>Share one great idea that someone thought up and I am sure we
>could find where that idea isn't as original or new as people
>think.

but doesn't your argument sorta completely negate your premise?

ideas are a dime a dozen.

all of the good ideas have already been thought up.

if innovative ideas are so rare how can the be a dime a dozen?

ideas. Only the dime a dozen old ideas.



>but doesn't your argument sorta completely negate your
>premise?
>
>ideas are a dime a dozen.
>
>all of the good ideas have already been thought up.
>
>if innovative ideas are so rare how can the be a dime a
>dozen?


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you have to execute them IMO.

They're both impressive and any successful business knows how to capitalize on people who excel at each one.

You can sit here and say an idea isn't shit if it isn't executed.

And we can also sit here and say execution can't take place if there is no idea to begin with.

When we try to pin the two against each other to vote on which is more important then we're missing the picture.

Which is why this poll is dumb as fuck.

You clearly need both, but I think there are far more people who can execute and implement than those who can create

And asking the question only begins a problem.

When you begin an argument over which is more impressive you are instantly starting an argument between the creatives and the businessmen.

Once either starts to feel slighted then your business is going to suffer.

When people can appreciate what others add to the overall picture and remain humble then the entire team wins. This is pretty simple management 101 here.

The people who execute should be impressed with the creatives and the creatives should be impressed with those that execute. That's the problem with most people. They don't know how to appreciate what they don't do well. We have this destructive selfish mind set in how we view the world.

Let's look at a sports team...the Patriots...who I hate.

Bill Bellicheck creates the game plan and has the ideas that he believes is a winning formula.

He believes that Tom Brady and his cast can execute his plan and relies on them to do so.

Tom Brady and the cast believe in the game plan and put faith in the fact that if they execute it then they will get the results they want.

Everyone understands that no one is bigger than the team. Tom is impressed by Bill and Bill is impressed by Tom.

Now look at teams that don't have the same success. Players don't believe in coaches. Coaches don't believe in players. Finger pointing and blame goes around. Some are saying that if the game plan was better then they would win. Others are saying if the game plan was executed correctly then they would win.

Business is no different. You need both and you need both sides to be impressed with the other so everyone is bought in.

That's why asking the question is pointless. It puts everyone at odds and is unproductive. Everyone on strict opposing sides will ultimately be a part of an unsuccessful team.

I'm asking you, and each individual poster here, which they find more impressive, not which is more important.

I said I find them both impressive.

I also added that it doesn't matter what anyone on this board thinks so I find the question pointless unless you're doing some kind of study for a greater cause than just your own knowledge.

He has not delivered a single product that wasn't already on the market or the idea wasn't in the works. And yet everyone knows his names and products.




>They're both impressive and any successful business knows how
>to capitalize on people who excel at each one.
>
>You can sit here and say an idea isn't shit if it isn't
>executed.
>
>And we can also sit here and say execution can't take place if
>there is no idea to begin with.
>
>When we try to pin the two against each other to vote on which
>is more important then we're missing the picture.
>
>Which is why this poll is dumb as fuck.


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because what would he be marketing if somebody didn't have the ideas?

the world would never have an album like "purple rain"
if Warner Bros. did not have faith in an ideas man like prince...
in spite of the fact that he released several (unprofitable) albums for warner bros. for many years.

but without artists like prince, what does warner bros. do
with the money in their music department?

you totally need both.





>He has not delivered a single product that wasn't already on
>the market or the idea wasn't in the works. And yet everyone
>knows his names and products.
>
>
>
>
>>They're both impressive and any successful business knows
>how
>>to capitalize on people who excel at each one.
>>
>>You can sit here and say an idea isn't shit if it isn't
>>executed.
>>
>>And we can also sit here and say execution can't take place
>if
>>there is no idea to begin with.
>>
>>When we try to pin the two against each other to vote on
>which
>>is more important then we're missing the picture.
>>
>>Which is why this poll is dumb as fuck.
>
>
>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"
>
>Movies I need y'all bastids to see so we can discuss:
>
>Five Star - https://goo.gl/jBHbVv
>Appro

I used to say to the artists that I know (including myself) that one can have the dopest ideas growing in their mind, but if they don't execute then the ideas die with them and were basically meaningless to anyone else.

ok...maybe not eggs vs chicken

I just wanted to sound philosophical
**levitates**

their idea.

i dig it.

neither plays instruments,
but it only sounds "right" when they are conducting the team.

there are certain people who have the ability to administrate (for lack of a better word) and delegate to talented people to accomplish their idea.

.

Veeeeeeeeeery few get round to actually running that business.

DOERS.

are more impressive.