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jane eyre
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Mon Jan-12-15 04:18 PM by jane eyre

          

> “The Mindy Project” perpetuates a white power structure by masking how >racial fantasies operate on an interpersonal level.
>Race is ornamental, like a Kate Spade purse.

That's at the heart of my issue with the show.

I think it's fascinating that Mindy desires certain White traits and characteristics (as defined and prized by Mindy). She has all but said as much on the show. Not a problem; admire and desire away. My problem? *She* makes Whiteness an issue in the sense of viewing it as a map to judge what/where she *lacks*. Totally intrigued by the ways Mindy frames White folks in super stereotypical ways. It would be kind of offensive except for the fact that the framing is all about how she feels about herself.

And yes, I suppose it's a desirable outlook and orientation for some people of color: to never have to think about or drag around the issue of race, to put race or gender or size in its proper place as not a big deal, to live in a world where identity doesn't matter much, and where one can choose to simply be who one is in the world--

But sounding those wholesome truths in tone deaf ways strikes me as a viewpoint trotted out by the White power structure the Mindy shows masks, denies, and re-frames as "Brown girls just wanna have fun."

Of course Mindy knows she isn't White. So hardy har har let's tell jokes about that and have the characters on the show joke about it. And while she's cracking those jokes, when the implied question of who or what "not-White" may be crops up, Mindy on the show can just be Mindy because she doesn't really identify with all the non-White stuff about herself. And isn't that funny?

It's not funny to me, because I feel like I'm watching a show where not being White has caused the character Mindy a lot of pain. Not being White makes her different and the big point, in part, is that she's not. Not funny to me, either because I see a character who wants to be included, wants to belong. Wants acceptance. But she's chubby and Brown. And it breaks my heart when Mindy gets upset about not being whatever she thinks White is. But she's lucky; she's living in the fantasy world of rom-coms where she will be loved and accepted by Whites. She will feel good enough.

So, I guess. I guess let Mindy be Mindy, from Boston. She seems happy, right? She's just a girl trying to find love. Let her write cute, shallow, rom coms that don't have to be about anything other than what she wants it to be.

>Racism is not just some paranoid fever dream. Kaling, however,
>would rather have us believe that the best thing to do as a
>woman of color is to lean into the bounty of American romance
>with trips to the Empire State Building, VIP-room canoodling
>and horse-drawn carriages. But that forecloses the breadth of
>possibilities, both funny and painful, of what it means to be
>American — and maybe more saliently, what it means to fall
>in love.

I love this insight.

The show offers nothing interesting about the rom-com drama which does lean toward particular conventions, and much of the portrayals of those conventions have been critiqued. The show is status quo, even in it's treatment of stock diversity.

If the Mindy show manages to do anything, it may be showing a "new" way to be White. She's daring to re-define Whiteness: good ol' Dr. Lahiri. Not so daring at all. It's just normal, regular, status-quo, right?


  

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Mindy Kaling™ buys into racial & class aspirations of romantic comedy [View all] , thegodcam, Sun Jan-11-15 06:43 PM
 
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im surprised anybody watched the show long enough to write this
Jan 11th 2015
1
i didn't read the article, but i watch the show
Jan 11th 2015
4
U crazy that show is fucking hilarious
Jan 11th 2015
8
      Oh boy
Jan 13th 2015
93
Margaret Cho was the first Asian American woman
Jan 11th 2015
2
and i used to watch it
Jan 11th 2015
5
yep
Jan 12th 2015
38
she looked like an idiot last night at the Golden Globes tho...
Jan 12th 2015
41
^^^^ I actually watched it too
Jan 12th 2015
81
I think the direction he wants for the show would be more problematic...
Jan 11th 2015
3
i'd be cool with that. but i watched the last episode
Jan 11th 2015
6
i think she said
Jan 11th 2015
9
      yep
Jan 12th 2015
40
You seem to be equating "regular" with whiteness...
Jan 11th 2015
7
No. Regular does not have to equal white...
Jan 11th 2015
10
      But aren't there obvious considerations of the race of her BFs?
Jan 11th 2015
13
      I don't watch the show either (does anyone? lol) so I can't comment on i...
Jan 11th 2015
15
           kinda feel like you're stuck on whiteness being "regular"
Jan 11th 2015
21
                Yeah, and its extremely naive, myopic.
Jun 17th 2015
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      ur still equating regular with whiteness and it seems u don't even
Jan 12th 2015
26
           He really is. Sadly he's not alone
Jan 13th 2015
91
                Yes this is an issue in real life....
Jan 13th 2015
94
Is acknowledging the race " playing up the fact"?
Jan 12th 2015
27
We need to stop using the term "non white"
Jun 17th 2015
105
good read. seems like balanced criticism.
Jan 11th 2015
11
she, and her show are trash.
Jan 11th 2015
12
Oh Jesus Fucking Christ © Some Cat
Jan 11th 2015
14
nah
Jan 11th 2015
16
That's not the show she wants to write, and so what?
Jan 11th 2015
17
      1) why you so hype tho?
Jan 11th 2015
18
           The point is that it doesn't matter who "calls her out"
Jan 11th 2015
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           I don't really understand your beef though
Jan 11th 2015
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                The beef is that it's personal finger-wagging bullshit disguised
Jan 11th 2015
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                And people criticized Tyler Perry for his color politics and sexism.
Jan 12th 2015
30
                     Right? What's the issue here?
Jun 17th 2015
101
                     Yes, that's totally the fucking argument that I'm making.
Jun 17th 2015
108
                     we have to ignore ZooTown on these issues.
Jun 17th 2015
109
                but there is almost no merit in what he's saying
Jan 12th 2015
25
                     That's not what he said.
Jan 12th 2015
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                          i dont know how ppl can be so oblivious to that....nm
Jan 12th 2015
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                          ^^^^
Jan 12th 2015
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           Basically
Jan 12th 2015
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^
Jan 12th 2015
24
YES! I stopped watching when it felt like Who's the Boss
Jan 11th 2015
ah...
Jan 12th 2015
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YES! I stopped watching when it felt like Who's the Boss
Jan 11th 2015
23
Right...but everyone came to that conclusion a long time ago.
Jan 12th 2015
28
Is it fair tho? Maybe she just wants to make a silly television show
Jan 12th 2015
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I'm not disputing that, but I also don't think it absolves her of critic...
Jan 12th 2015
32
yeah she really loves rom coms
Jan 12th 2015
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But I'm talking about Mindy Kaling the comedic writer. Not just this sho...
Jan 12th 2015
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but if youre talking about her as a writer
Jan 12th 2015
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methinks the reason all her guys are white is cuz she likes white guys
Jan 12th 2015
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      Exactly.
Jan 12th 2015
43
why is making a silly rom com tv show mutually exclusive
Jan 12th 2015
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      This is where I am. I was hugely excited for the show because.
Jan 12th 2015
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Does she really have race and identity issues?
Jan 12th 2015
35
      Heh, good point. N/M
Jan 12th 2015
37
Asian woman that ONLY dates white guys? No surprises here.
Jan 12th 2015
42
ah yes, the nebbish white guy, I've talked about this before
Jan 12th 2015
45
I was flipping through a Men's Health and I realized something about the...
Jan 12th 2015
46
      The only TJ's ad i've ever seen is the Fearless Flyer....
Jan 12th 2015
73
As a white male writer...
Jan 12th 2015
48
this kind of explains a lot tbh
Jan 12th 2015
49
You must have missed my edit.
Jan 12th 2015
51
      agreed.
Jan 12th 2015
52
Right, but consider the other side of that pressure....
Jan 12th 2015
53
      I get that. At least, as much as I *can* get it.
Jan 12th 2015
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           I feel ya. It's kind of a can't win situation because folks made they un...
Jan 12th 2015
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                thats where i'm at
Jan 12th 2015
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                RE:
Jan 12th 2015
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                     RE:
Jan 12th 2015
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                I feel you on Django and Serial...but Marco Polo is some bullshit.
Jan 12th 2015
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                     Naw, the easiest way to explain a closed culture is with an outsider.
Jan 12th 2015
70
                     Who isn't familiar with Kungfu movies? I didn't need a newbie in Boardwa...
Jan 12th 2015
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                     Wait. Marco Polo is the least important character in the show though...
Jan 12th 2015
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                          Dude was the medieval version of a hipster blogger.
Jan 12th 2015
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                          Oh...makes me want to watch now
Jan 12th 2015
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                               Lardlad isn't wrong in that he's basically a prisoner observer...
Jan 12th 2015
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meanwhile the show doesn't feature a single pretty white chick.
Jan 12th 2015
56
Isn't her best friend with the daughter a skinny white chick?
Jan 12th 2015
57
See, this is the thing, Lahiri is a fuckup.
Jan 12th 2015
59
right.
Jan 12th 2015
62
      I would hazard to say dating nebbish white guys is part of the joke...
Jan 12th 2015
65
           maybe but i dunno.
Jan 12th 2015
67
           Emphasis on the word "hazard"...
Jan 12th 2015
69
           Well I'd never underestimate how clever she is.
Jan 12th 2015
68
                There were a few jokes like that...
Jan 12th 2015
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she doesn't have friends anymore
Jan 12th 2015
60
she's not regularly featured.
Jan 12th 2015
61
ah...
Jan 12th 2015
64
Hmm, I can dig it.
Jun 17th 2015
103
By the way, the Indian girl on the OKP main page is kind of hot.
Jan 12th 2015
72
don't watch the show but more power to her
Jan 12th 2015
76
remember when Mindi was hot for Idris on the office?
Jan 12th 2015
77
All the women were. She dated Daryl for a second too but it was only to
Jan 12th 2015
80
Mindy's character is written as a shallow person
Jan 12th 2015
89
"Yo Stallone, what are you doing for Italians?"
Jan 12th 2015
83
The writer probably only saw one or two episodes
Jan 12th 2015
86
Mindy Lahiri>>>Mindy Kaling
Jan 13th 2015
92
I always felt like Tina Fey treated black women horribly.
Jan 13th 2015
95
So I watched the latest episode since so many people mentioned it
Jan 13th 2015
96
Yup & you're spot on about Tina & 30 Rock too.
Jan 13th 2015
97
i learned a new word today
Jan 13th 2015
98
Welp, Cancelled. And I ain't mad at that.
Jun 17th 2015
99
It had a nice run.
Jun 17th 2015
100
didnt hulu pick it up though?
Jun 17th 2015
104
It was picked up by Hulu for 26 more episodes.
Jun 17th 2015
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      Yeah I ain't checking for Hulu. I probably have seen my last episode.
Jun 17th 2015
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           it might be the first and only program i watch on hulu
Jun 26th 2015
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                Mindy Kaling turned out to not be as subversive as I was hoping
Jun 26th 2015
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                i don't know that i ever hung my hopes on that
Jun 26th 2015
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                I tried very hard to read subversiveness into what she was doing.
Jun 26th 2015
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                     RE: I tried very hard to read subversiveness into what she was doing.
Jun 26th 2015
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                          I was pretty uncomfortable about this.
Jun 26th 2015
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                               RE: I was pretty uncomfortable about this.
Jun 26th 2015
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                You can't shake up the status quo when you are the status quo.
Jun 26th 2015
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                you missin out
Jun 26th 2015
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